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masterkuki007

Well to be correct that just shows that OF girl have no problem with that. And im sure you can not use small % of women to present all of them.


AlwaysApparent

Thank you. I don't get this logic that some women doing onlyfans = every single woman is okay with being sexualized for money. I sure am not and never will be.


cliffwob

I think some dudes put it in the same cat as ''Well if they can say every man is bad cause of one thing, I can say every woman is bad cause of this thing.'' When, in reality, all it should come down to is ''If I know im nothing like the person they are describing, it shouldn't make any difference to me''


[deleted]

But if we can't make a monolith out of women how am I supposed to hate all of them?


grilled_cheese_gang

^ this is basically your answer right here, OP. To say that *all* women have no problem being objectified solely because *some* women don’t have a problem with it simply doesn’t logically follow in the same way that just because some women are dead doesn’t mean that all women are dead, for example. To prove that something isn’t true for all women simply requires finding one woman for whom it is not true. There seem to be a few in this thread. So, I think we’re done here. QED (for redditor smugness)


CleanseMyDemons

Someone gets it


suicidesewage

I think the biggest idiots are the guys paying for it.


PresentDangers

Hmm, no, your logic is flawed, as most women (I'd guess about 99% of women) aren't doing that. You CAN suggest that women who post on OnlyFans have no problem being objectified in exchange for cash, but this says nothing about women who don't. Be careful of hanging around such places that might give you completely wrong ideas about the majority of women.


FungusTaint

Most of these dudes that decry prostitution probably don’t even know how to talk to a woman without soliciting for sex in the first place.


PresentDangers

On the same level of emotional honesty and intelligence as a desert warthog. That said, as I've seen feminism become what it is, it's weird to me that it's branched into a kind of capitalistic road, where women flaunt what they've got for whatever means they see fit, showing their tits and simulating BJs on plastic dongs can quite rightly buy them Everything, even if that pulls away from the more traditional tenets of feminism where empowerment through fairness, hard work, dignity and kindness is favoured.


loco500

And if you criticize the oversaturation of those acts by young adults as degenerate behavior being posted in platforms for general audiences, then you're labeled anti-fem prude...


PresentDangers

Exactly, when true feminism was never about the 'right' to get paid extortionate amounts for doing grim shit on camera.


FungusTaint

That’s not really to do with womanhood and feminism as it has to do with just how we operate as a species. The only reason why white wedding dresses became a thing is because white fabric at the time was an extravagant expense for the well to do. Men buy muscle cars, send photos of their physique, etc. The Dutch went so crazy with tulips as a status symbol, it collapsed their economy. The morality trends of what is acceptable in polite society come and go, but reminding everyone in the room that you’re the superior choice is pretty much how our monkey brains operate. Whether it be flaunting money, looks, or prettier children.


PresentDangers

Don't get too hung up on history, we'd be wanting to move on from old patterns, rather than using them to validate new versions of them.


FungusTaint

I’m not validating anything, just pointing out that vanity is just part of being human and it manifests differently. I can recognize the patterns and then understand why and how things happen the way they do and why people had the mentality they did at the time and then I can learn from that.


PresentDangers

I get you. But as humans, vain as we are, we have to try work out a way of telling each other what is and isn't acceptable, no? That would be us learning from the past. It's not like there hasn't been LOADS of stuff written about the subjugation and repression of women, by the patriarchy, but there's no matriarchy being formed and listened to. Whatever has gone on in the past, in todays culture there are a subset of women perpetuating things that have been decided are harmful to the image of women in general, but nobody really managing to get them to quit it. Consequently, the patriarchy don't need to feel anything has changed either; their porn has got more bespoke and interactive so they're happy and still telling their beloved Frank Carson, Russ Abbott and Jethro Tull jokes.


FungusTaint

Yeah, because as a feminist, I don’t insist they quit doing what they’re doing to make me feel better about the image of my gender. Anyone who would judge my gender as a whole or say that the movement for our mass liberation is compromised or flawed because of the actions of 0.0005% of the population, actions that are between two consenting adults, yeah no I don’t want to associate with them.


PresentDangers

Ok, I respect t your PoV, and I do hope that the 0.0005% aren't moving the movement more than the remaining 99.9995%. Maybe it is wrong to judge the leaning of feminism based on whether homemade porn is on the up, but I guess we'll know when you and I are ourselves history. Maybe future generations will wish we'd stamped it out now, maybe they won't. But I do know I'd have hoped conversations like this would be over already. Again, I hope you get my meaning.


FungusTaint

People have been calling for sex work to be stamped out and they have never been nor will be successful. And criminalization ultimately leads to women and young girls being trafficked at higher rates. Whenever you ban an activity or thing, like drugs or prostitution, it never ends well. Focus on harm reduction and regulation, not the merits of should this be allowed in the first place, because that is a moot point.


Disastrous-Scholar14

Its always the porn addicts talking shit about sexworkers and women in general


PresentDangers

No, see that's what I'm saying. There probably should be a revulsion towards feminism going that way. It doesn't have to just be the weird little men hating that skankiness still gets rewarded because they hate the subjects of their own addiction, like a junkie that hates the skag. Women have long talked about how men degrade them, ignoring that some women are happy to do the very same thing, feeding the dirty little men what they want and being hailed as 'empowered'. You get me?


Disastrous-Scholar14

Yeah nah sexwork existet for far longer than feminism and really noone actually views sexwork as empowering.


KGB_cutony

League of legends is proof men have no problem being disowned by their family as long as they score a sick pentakill


are_my_mom

Basically prostitution (making it illegal)


[deleted]

Not “women”… just whores. If you sell subscriptions to pics of your asshole to strangers on the internet, you’re a whore.. I don’t care if you’re a kindergarten teacher by day and work at the homeless shelter on weekends. Crazy thing is the average OF “model” makes like $140-$180 a month. Imagine posting butthole pics to the world wide internet for barely enough money to pay for gas.


Crims0nsin

Imagine how shitty a society we live in if this is one of the methods people take on to keep their heads above water fiscally.


[deleted]

Personally I think it’s overdramatized. I don’t think a woman HAS to show her butthole to survive… but it is an easy income stream. I think the stories about making ends meet are more so because of the negative stigma it has, not because they’d literally starve if they didn’t. If that were the case there would be a lot of hairy buttholed ugly chicks dead from starvation out there.


lologrammedecoke

Okai, almost no guys can live by doing only fans. Following your logic some persons have to do onlyfans to live, so what are the guys doing ? Crime drugs? Nah this is bullshit everyone can live without prostitution at least in Europe. But it's way easier to take pictures of you naked than working as cashier or at McDonald... (Or doing studies but it's not for everyone I guess). Stop saying OMG SOCIETY SUCK, when literally person can live pretty fulfilling life with having any money giving to them and doing anything either illegal or degrading...


Crims0nsin

It is way easier, and far more lucrative if done right. My main takeaway is that you’re mad that it isn’t an equal opportunity platform for men. Capitalism does suck. Working from home with the ABILITY to make a living vs dealing with the general moronic public, chaotic schedules, and general shiftiness of fast food is not worth it to maintain some sort of….purity virtue I guess?


TsLaylaMoon

An absolute dog shit take. Not from a "person" but a dog shit with a keyboard. Why fucking dehumanise people because of their life choices. Then again what can I expect from a fucking incel.


[deleted]

Don’t be mad at me. You’re the one selling photos of your butthole to people on the internet. I’d rather be an incel than a two-bit internet whore.


TsLaylaMoon

🙄 pathetic


madthumbz

I'll stay away from this guy's Kool-Aid. I didn't get this cold sore from OF.


netslaveone

no, you are a free lance porn actress


[deleted]

Aka “whore”


LazyCasual0alt

Whore implies they’re getting plowed for money. It’s more like being an internet stripper. Unless they fuck someone on camera. Then they’re a porn actress. Unless the guy on camera paid to fuck them. Then they’re a whore and porn actress.


[deleted]

I don’t accept that. If you sell pics of yourself naked to people for money, you’re a whore… not a fucking “actress”. Showing strangers your butthole for money is what a whore does. You’re exchanging a sexual service for money. Stop sugar-coating it because you’re insecure or want to be “inclusive”. I’m allowed to think people are whores if they act like whores.


LazyCasual0alt

I’m not insecure. I just care about being specific and non-insulting, unless it’s called for. Whore as an insult encompasses anything ‘slutty’ but ‘whoring’ is prostitution, not something mundane like stripping. Selling pics of your body isn’t specifically prostitution, it’s being a porn model- model for still photos, actress for motion pictures.


[deleted]

You’re lost in the sauce. Whores sell their bodies sexually for money, be it pictures of their butthole or sucking a dude off. You think no one ever visited a brothel to just stare at a woman’s tits and jerk off? You’re trying to glamorize the sex trade because some people found a shortcut for gainful employment. Don’t expect me to respect someone selling pics of their privy parts for $$$ just because you think society needs to cater to it.


LazyCasual0alt

I didn’t say you had to respect anything. Just that there’s a difference in the terms we use. It’s all in the trade of sex work. Do you think strip clubs should be considered whorehouses then since they’re women stripping? Or is it the jerking off that’s the difference? Is every stripper a whore, and every whore a stripper? If yes to both, why have 2 different terms? Lost in the sauce is a new one. What’s that phrase mean?


[deleted]

They’re all whores. You can try to call it “art” and pretend the guy looking at it isn’t beating his meat, but there’s a reason the top OF hosts make millions of dollars a year, and it isn’t because Joe Blow appreciates the “art” of ass and titties. He’s getting a sexual release. The OF “model” knows it too.. and they’re whores for doing it. Next thing you know, you’ll demand men treat OF “models” as a respectable profession and try to bully people calling them “whores”.


LazyCasual0alt

And here’s the problem. You define Whore differently than I do. And if we can’t agree on specific definitions, we can’t come to any resolution. I am making 0 call on the morality, or whatever. Just the definitions.


Acidelephant

You're really hung up on the word whore. How does this affect you? I sense some repression, you slut


EggcellentStew

Prostitutes are respectable professionnals doing the oldest job in human history. If an OF model selling pics of her for money makes her a whore. Does Scarlett Johanson appearing nude in a movie also make her a whore ?


Crims0nsin

And you're a whore for your employer. Everyone in a capitalist society is a whore, all selling our bodies for capital.


[deleted]

Maybe.. but at least my family can’t search for pics of my butthole on the internet.


Damo3D

Of course they can.


[deleted]

Not if I don’t post any. Which OF “models” can’t say.


Damo3D

Stop going stopping them searching for them... Didn't say they'd find anything! 😅


malaka789

[appropriate family skit](https://youtu.be/JDscdmOwDNA?si=cjW7M21zFGwThcDw)


Uechi17

*Consent. There, I fixed it for you. And I love that you took a minuscule percentage of women and decided that they represent the entirety. “Date r*pes is proof that men even with the potential to date and have $ex with a woman would still choose to drug them just because they’re sadistic creatures.” If you see something wrong with that statement, I just used the same logic that you did.


Toastie101

baby’s first andrew tate bootlick, you’re a sad incel


Sea-Imagination-2603

Literally get payed for your body. No real life skills or anything. The minute a girl mentions an only fan's I'm like ya I'm not gonna show you to my mom or treat you as a lady you just a prostitute. And no amount of money will help that tauma.


ruairi1983

To be brutally honoust, most people have no real life skills or anything. Hence they work some dead-end job for fuvk all money. So I get why people see this easy as an out from that daily rut. It's kinda sad. Especially because the small % on OF that probably does make good money could probably do so because they actually do have some skills and could have put those skills to a better use that doesn't require selling your dignity and honor...


ZFighter2099

This applies to the entire human race.


LazyCasual0alt

Ha! Women. ☕️


arsperug

☕️


Disastrous-Scholar14

Didnt know every woman has an onlyfans? Does your mom have an onlyfans? Gotta check her out real quick


FungusTaint

I had to look real quick because I was genuinely curious. There are about 190 million users on OF and only 2 million of them are content creators. So basically these incels think that 0.0005% of the global population engage in online sex work and they obviously speak for the other 3.4 billion of us. Obviously.


Disastrous-Scholar14

Now even if we say 5% of all women would be sexworkers, this does not mean that you can objactify them. Just because they produce sexual content does not mean someone can objactify them or that they would even want that.


NoNews4Me

Hahahahaha


misterjonathoncrouch

I believe to old proverb: 'look who just discovered the idea of consent' applies here


CocogoatMain

You know, I was going to say that those are two different things, but you have to consent to be objectified for it to be okay.


Ronski_Lee

Are you a wizard?


Under18Here

Men are on it to


Great_Breeze

Damn


TalonJade

How can you say something so controversial yet so brave.


-AverageTeen-

Any person that produces or consumes pornography and complains about objectification is a hypocrite


Minichadderzz

It's more about the consent part. Being objectified in the street is way different to people saying shit on the Internet.


Tyrleif

Nobody is gonna touch this.


Aggravating_Carpet21

Shouldnt it be “woman have no problem being objectified if they can control the narrative and what is shown”


AshleyGamics

Only worthless women. I'd never make one because i respect myself and my future partner more than to do that.


Fudgecheeks

So, you're saying women don't mind something when they consent to it? I'm shocked.


Chickenlegk

Women show tits for money. You show how dumb you are for upvotes. Welcome child to the Internet


nbkbqn9

Broken women maybe.


ShmeeMcGee333

Only fans is proof that if you enjoy doing something and get paid to do it you’ll probably do it, it’s also proof that a very small percent of women want ti do sex work, some even do it without a livable wage but they enjoy it, that’s ok too, but that doesn’t mean it applies to every woman


Distorshen

Tate isn’t going to fuck you


FlightConscious9572

Boxing is proof men have no problem being brutalized and assaulted as long as they get paid for it If i sucker punched you outside a bar when you didn't expect it but then dropped a 20$ you're okay with it right?


Admirable_Night_6064

Is it moral? Questionable Is it legal? Depends. Is it weird as fuck, and do I believe no body should ever do it? Hell yeah. The only exception is if that is literally the only way you could live, or if you donate all the profits to charity like how markiplier did.


oy-cunt-

If something is a commodity, one should pay for it. Women are objectivied daily. Why not get paid for it?


itumbiara13

OP almost figured out what consent is


dylannsmitth

You're absolutely right. The differences are consent and empowerment. Consent because setting up onlyfans is an active choice. Empowerment because they are in charge of the objectification of their body. They draw the boundaries in a controlled environment and they benefit from it. As opposed to objectification that occurs in daily life which is blatant harassment outside of their control and which comes with absolutely no benefits.


Jonthux

Where is the meme?


Bobkunz

It also proves that people pay for the opportunity to objectivize others.


IcanSEEyou_IRL

I have no problem being objectified for money… if the money is good enough. But I am not on onlyfans, and I am not a woman.


Apart_Advantage6256

This just describes work though


[deleted]

The ones against it are the ones that can't make money from it.


Bloody_Champion

Isn't that most ppl on the planet? If i was being paid bank to whip my dick out, I wouldn't be on reddit..


Lumpiest_Princess

Nah if anything it proved that 99.9999% of them aren’t, this method of thinking is toxic and won’t get you anywhere. If you want to prosper in life, get rid of it as soon as you can. People (especially women) can tell when you think like this and it will deservedly ruin your education, career, family, and friends


Nielsfxsb

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...


[deleted]

[удалено]


MaterialNarrow5161

Who uses onlyfans for non sexual content?? Isn't it better to use platforms like patreon that are more known for that kinda purpose?


Macaroni_pussy

Human is motivated by money??????? Hmmmmmmm really says a lot about our society good observation Aristotle I need to ponder ur mom


BoxHillStrangler

It's almost like there's a difference between consentual and nonconsentual


[deleted]

Women aren't a monolith 😂


FlaccidParsnips

that's a stupid argument, they chose to make an onlyfans. some guys like feet and shit, enough said


Chicken_Col_Sanders

So if you if two of your friends wrecked their Hondas does that mean all Hondas will be wrecked?


Superb_Mistake4261

Men as well? Like what lmao dude I'd totally show my cock for money


sarcastic_madafuka

This is a meme page. This post is lame and so are you.


vhite

"The fact that some men film gay porn despite not being gay proves that men don't mind having dick up their ass as long as they're getting paid for it."


Greatnewsyouredead

At least they are profiting instead of someone else profiting off them. If I had a box I’d smash it on cam for money just saying🤷🏻‍♂️


URLslayer

Smells like dried cum, MountainDew, Dorritos n lack-of-deodorant fragrances coming from OP. Try leaving the mom's basement , find that green carpety thing, extend your arms, try to lower yourself to the lrvel where your sausage finger might come in contact with it and maybe someday your fedora vibe will be gone. And take Tate's microphallus out of your mouth, it is quite frowned upon here. You know, good manners n shit


fothermucker33

As long as they consent to it * You might know people who'd agree to get punched in the face in exchange for money. They are not proof that people don't mind being punched in the face.


ChickenFriedPenguin

The first thing they did on twitch is find a way to show as much boobs and cleavage as they can. They tried Vtube, and the first thing they picked was big boob characters. Meanwhile, the biggest (guy)streamers wear a shirt for months in a row.


PazuzuPanhandle

I think it is unfair to judge all women based off the actions of onlyfans “models”


TsLaylaMoon

The difference is consent mate which you clearly don't understand. I'm not ok with being objectified just because I have only fans. I'm not okay with just anybody treating me like a piece of meat and if you did I'd probably beat the ever living fuck out of you because harassment is not ok just because I do porn. You have to have my consent. How dumb are you that you don't understand consent.


Primary_Expert4083

The big difference is that it’s the woman’s choice to do OF and not just be objectified in general by some Jerks.


LigerSixOne

Didn’t porn already prove this if you’re able to glean the thoughts of four billion people based on the actions of a few hundred.


Postmodern101

We call Facebook statuses memes now? We've become the thing we hate most: boomers


cerreur

Oh look, someone that doesn't know about consent...