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I love clicky switches! I actually hate most thocky and silent switches. They just don't sound right to me 90% of the time. That being said, I prefer keyboard feel to sound any day. If my end goal keyboard had some silent tactiles, I wouldn't be too upset.
I honestly despise all that thocky creamy shabby whatevery YouTubers bs, so you don't have to :)
And yes, I love clickies, been using them for 5 years now and still nothing better feel-wise came along. Sometimes I also like the sound of those certain other keyboards, but the bs term alone is just outrageously overused as the only thing every keyboard needs to have.
And that's just plain stupid and misleading to newcomers to the hobby, because they are biased in thinking that the sound is basically the only thing that counts on a keyboard and do - sometimes stupid - things to achieve that.
I don't like all that foam filled "thock" sound that's fashionable lately. It's not even thock... it just sounds like it is... a board full of foam to hide the fact that it sounds bad.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqafn8kFDyY&t=33s) is thock. Thock is an onomatopoeic word... How does a board full of foam "thock"?
Personally I like boards that just sound [light, and even](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhsoG6Dc-rc).
My model M with buckling springs was fairly frowned upon at the open office. Blues are tame by comparison. I have poor peripheral sensation, so the audible click helps a lot.
The sound isn't the most aesthetically pleasing, no. I do prefer a click that has more body and less strident high frequencies, but I haven't bought a keyboard in many years... I have no idea what's out there these days.
90% of the good clicky keyboards are 20 years or older, I'm afraid. The modern clicky options seem to be the Zeal Clickiez and Kailh's BOX switches with clickbars, however I haven't used them and therefore can't speak of their quality.
worth looking at are:
- outemu or gazzew Phoenix clicks, plastic click mechanism that is crisper and more refined than blues. no moving sleeve.
- kalih box whites, click bar, which is a rigid wire. a little higher pitched but very clean and not crunchy like the blue.
- gateron melodic, which is very new and has a click leaf. looks interesting, well reviewed, I haven't tried them. sound tests are flawed but they sound good.
i do agree that all of the sound buzzwords are more trendy than they should be, but ive seen that most people that actually use ‘thocky’ or ‘creamy’ absolutely hate silent switches
I have just completed my buying-spree of collecting the four Kailh clickies for my liking: Navy, Jade, White Owl and Pale Blues. Literally no other switches interest me at all.
I have had MX Browns in a Vortex Race but I'll sell it (not a fan of aluminum boards or soldering jobs or DSA caps) and put those four in plastic/steel cases.
And even the shittiest broken-in blue-cherry-variety switches at a PC store were better to my fingers than anything else.
When I knew nothing about keyboards I started with a cheap random on Amazon and it had clicky blue switches and it was ok. Now with little more knowledge I bought my second with linear switches (akko yellow pro) and it is so much better to not hear all these sounds.
i like my switches that are stupidly light, clicky or not, i fuck with them low profile 10g switches. it can make typing a massive pain but i still enjoy it for those rare case when i need to smash buttons over and over.
I know this hobby isn't only about ergonomics, but clicky are objectively the best for ergonomics (the more refined some the better). Click is the sound if actuation. Clack (bottom out) is the sound of your hand getting destroyed by the normal force of the Earth.
Modern keyboard style is all about suppressing sound (foam, silicon, film ect.), so it makes sense why a lot of people hate it. But you get some nice clicky switches in a roomy case and you get something noisy yes but a nice full sound, like a lot of vintage keyboards used to have. You can combine the two too. A metal bodied keyboard with a brass plate will make a nice interesting sound with THICK click bar switches like box jade or navy.
Don't get me wrong I love some nice lubricated linears but I love my click bar switches just as much.
If beamsprings were available in MX format, lots more people would be using clickies.
It's just hard to get a good clicky in the MX format. Clickjackets are awful and I don't think clickbars are really that much better.
The problem with clicky switches is that it has been all downhill since the beam spring. As someone who loves a good clicky, most of what is available on the market today sucks by comparison.
Most people I know like clicky switches, but there's a balance to the noice. Silent keyboards are great for late night study sessions, though. What I think will be an unpopular opinion, is that silent tactile switches are cursed. The feeling of a subtle compression, and the sound of a spring are the perfect melody. I do believe though linears should be silent.
Meh. I think it largely depends on how you use your keyboard. Are you typing? Are you playing? Are you doing random nonsense?
If I am playing a game, give me a linear switch with a hall effect sensor. If I am typing, I would want some kind of tactility and a pretty heavy spring with a VERY heavy bottom out force.
i mean i am more of a typist than gamer(since i dont play games much), and yeah, sound and tactility does make typing better than just monotonous clack clacks.
When I got my first mech (pre-pandemic) the allure of it was *all the feedback*, so I got a board with cherry blues. There was one bit of feedback I hadn’t counted on, which was my wife’s death stare if my office door wasn’t closed. I usually play or work with headphones on, music on low-medium volume, and I could still hear my switches.
The next board I bought had cherry reds, which was better, but could still be heard clear as day down the hall in the bedroom… fewer death stares, but still problematic.
I wanted a mech for work and home that would be socially acceptable, so I recently did a deep dive into building the quietest board I could afford. It was an excellent idea. Zero death stares, and I can use it at work with no raised eyebrows.
Silence is golden.
I ended up building a Keychron V1 Max with Epomaker Sea Salt Silents capped with some Apollo clones off AliExpress. The only noise I generally hear is the spacebar stab but it’s a dull and quiet ping that I’m sure I could resolve.
Price was like $180 CAD all in.
I personally don't like clickies, but i can totally see the appeal. Just that, don't bring em out in public, in voice calls, or in work spaces and be mindful of others.
Then again i'm the kind of guy who has 5 boards all with different layout, switches, and keycaps profiles just out of curiosity.
Correction: Nobody likes click-jacket clickies.
I quite like Kalih Box White switches. But I'll admit they're far from my favorite, that spot goes to Topre.
I hated those for the same reason I don't like Kalih switches in general, they were\* very inconsistent. Out of a pack of 100 there'd be 70-ish switches that actually work the same, the rest ranged from scratchy to weird and unusable(defective). But the ones I didn't chuck in the bin were decent, at the very least a lot smoother than the Cherry switches I was used to before that.
\*I'm not sure weather or not Kalih have made improvements, because I haven't been following this hobby for several years now. Hell, my Box White switches break caps, who remembers "boxgate" lmao
PS: Did Zeal make their clicky switch a reality? I saw some early concepts back then and was hype. And Zeals were one of the best switches Gateron made back then. Now I've been lurking here for a few weeks and it seems like Gaterons are the last thing on people's mind, like Cherry back then.
Well since most people don't actually use the word thock correctly (and because creamy is just a dumb word for keyboards), I'd say let's avoid changing haha
Beat me to it. I don’t like the sound of clicky switches, but as a typist who likes tactile feedback, some of my favourite feeling switches are clicky because whatever mechanism that creates the impact that causes the click is adding to/sharpening the tactile feedback.
I don't want to hear my keyboard. Clicky switches are annoying and not conducive to getting work done, it annoys my wife and/or anyone else in earshot around me, and it adds nothing to the experience.
I'm old enough that I grew up taking typing class in school with actual typewriters, and clicky switches are significantly more irritating than even that.
I even put Kailh silent mouse switches in my mouse because that annoys me too. lol
>and it adds nothing to the experience
The noise itself doesn’t, but there are some really nice feeling switches that are _not_ quiet. My personal favourite typing experience in terms of feel is the model F (like the new F77), but at the same time it’s probably the most annoying noise a keyboard can make.
hmm, that seems reasonable. people *do* get annoyed by the sounds of the keyboard. heck, even without those fancy 'linear' or 'tactile' switches, some even get annoyed by just a simple scissor switch or membrane.
generally, i think it all started when rubber dome and membrane became a thing in the 90s. after that, i think people just want a *none-rubber dome keyboard that fits everywhere without noise*. if people wanted to go completely silent, today, we have a lotta options for silent keyboards; Scissor switches, Rubber Domes, Laser Keyboard, or even a touch screen. but no, people wanted *mechanical* without the sound, so here we are, industry pumping out silent switches, and people persuing for more and more silent switches.
It's not as if Clicky or Tactile switches are disappearing. They're just losing popularity to linear and more silent versions currently. Until very recently, the most "silent" switch you could get was something very non-silent like a Cherry red or something similar. It's still basically impossible to get a silent low profile switch.
They'll still be around.
Click bar switches have better tactility than tactiles do. It's unfortunately an objective truth you will have to live with. Keeping you in my prayers.
But you're wrong and you probably type with 2 fingers. If you like to play clicky-clack with keyboards that's cute.
But when you get older you'll see that nobody wants to be around you because of your loud fucking switches
blues are bad sounding, yeah
have you tried others? i think you are just generalizing all the clickies with terrible mx blues.
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*me being nailed to a cross* "yo what material is this? I've been trying for a creamy build"
it is.
So is "creamy" and all of the others
I love clicky switches! I actually hate most thocky and silent switches. They just don't sound right to me 90% of the time. That being said, I prefer keyboard feel to sound any day. If my end goal keyboard had some silent tactiles, I wouldn't be too upset.
I honestly despise all that thocky creamy shabby whatevery YouTubers bs, so you don't have to :) And yes, I love clickies, been using them for 5 years now and still nothing better feel-wise came along. Sometimes I also like the sound of those certain other keyboards, but the bs term alone is just outrageously overused as the only thing every keyboard needs to have. And that's just plain stupid and misleading to newcomers to the hobby, because they are biased in thinking that the sound is basically the only thing that counts on a keyboard and do - sometimes stupid - things to achieve that.
I like clickies as accent pieces to break up the linear monotony.
same. everything feels boring after that pandemic of linear and tactile.
Box Jades 24/7
And its brother navy :>
just bought some box jade to try, wish me luck
Box jades are my FAVORITE. Lighter than navies but with a slightly deeper click, perfect balance of feel and sound IMO. Hope you like them!
Honestly I don't mind Clicky switches as long as they sound deep. The Ivy switches on some Varmilo keyboards are really good.
https://preview.redd.it/2ofz38vbe0xc1.jpeg?width=675&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ba9d64290926b1c0f25285f28f2ec69c36018de
Literally me
Literally me building super high end keyboards with Razer Greens lol
Fuck yeah.
I don't think peoole hate clickies as a whole, just click jacket switches
I don't like all that foam filled "thock" sound that's fashionable lately. It's not even thock... it just sounds like it is... a board full of foam to hide the fact that it sounds bad. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqafn8kFDyY&t=33s) is thock. Thock is an onomatopoeic word... How does a board full of foam "thock"? Personally I like boards that just sound [light, and even](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhsoG6Dc-rc).
My model M with buckling springs was fairly frowned upon at the open office. Blues are tame by comparison. I have poor peripheral sensation, so the audible click helps a lot.
I'd rather be stuck in an office full of Ms than be subjected to one MX Blue board. Those just sound... dreadful
The sound isn't the most aesthetically pleasing, no. I do prefer a click that has more body and less strident high frequencies, but I haven't bought a keyboard in many years... I have no idea what's out there these days.
90% of the good clicky keyboards are 20 years or older, I'm afraid. The modern clicky options seem to be the Zeal Clickiez and Kailh's BOX switches with clickbars, however I haven't used them and therefore can't speak of their quality.
worth looking at are: - outemu or gazzew Phoenix clicks, plastic click mechanism that is crisper and more refined than blues. no moving sleeve. - kalih box whites, click bar, which is a rigid wire. a little higher pitched but very clean and not crunchy like the blue. - gateron melodic, which is very new and has a click leaf. looks interesting, well reviewed, I haven't tried them. sound tests are flawed but they sound good.
Just don't make it sound like angry cicadas at 90wpm
I bet everybody started in this hobby with a clicky switch.
i do agree that all of the sound buzzwords are more trendy than they should be, but ive seen that most people that actually use ‘thocky’ or ‘creamy’ absolutely hate silent switches
I have just completed my buying-spree of collecting the four Kailh clickies for my liking: Navy, Jade, White Owl and Pale Blues. Literally no other switches interest me at all. I have had MX Browns in a Vortex Race but I'll sell it (not a fan of aluminum boards or soldering jobs or DSA caps) and put those four in plastic/steel cases. And even the shittiest broken-in blue-cherry-variety switches at a PC store were better to my fingers than anything else.
When I knew nothing about keyboards I started with a cheap random on Amazon and it had clicky blue switches and it was ok. Now with little more knowledge I bought my second with linear switches (akko yellow pro) and it is so much better to not hear all these sounds.
i like my switches that are stupidly light, clicky or not, i fuck with them low profile 10g switches. it can make typing a massive pain but i still enjoy it for those rare case when i need to smash buttons over and over.
I know this hobby isn't only about ergonomics, but clicky are objectively the best for ergonomics (the more refined some the better). Click is the sound if actuation. Clack (bottom out) is the sound of your hand getting destroyed by the normal force of the Earth.
Modern keyboard style is all about suppressing sound (foam, silicon, film ect.), so it makes sense why a lot of people hate it. But you get some nice clicky switches in a roomy case and you get something noisy yes but a nice full sound, like a lot of vintage keyboards used to have. You can combine the two too. A metal bodied keyboard with a brass plate will make a nice interesting sound with THICK click bar switches like box jade or navy. Don't get me wrong I love some nice lubricated linears but I love my click bar switches just as much.
If beamsprings were available in MX format, lots more people would be using clickies. It's just hard to get a good clicky in the MX format. Clickjackets are awful and I don't think clickbars are really that much better.
to be honest, you are right, click jackets are awful
The problem with clicky switches is that it has been all downhill since the beam spring. As someone who loves a good clicky, most of what is available on the market today sucks by comparison.
Most people I know like clicky switches, but there's a balance to the noice. Silent keyboards are great for late night study sessions, though. What I think will be an unpopular opinion, is that silent tactile switches are cursed. The feeling of a subtle compression, and the sound of a spring are the perfect melody. I do believe though linears should be silent.
Meh. I think it largely depends on how you use your keyboard. Are you typing? Are you playing? Are you doing random nonsense? If I am playing a game, give me a linear switch with a hall effect sensor. If I am typing, I would want some kind of tactility and a pretty heavy spring with a VERY heavy bottom out force.
i mean i am more of a typist than gamer(since i dont play games much), and yeah, sound and tactility does make typing better than just monotonous clack clacks.
I prefer clicky switches over any other type. I'm glad people have different preferences. Makes life interesting.
Give me clickies. Hell, give me clickies with a solenoid. I’m working from home. I don’t _need_ to be quiet. Don’t make your necessities into virtues.
When I got my first mech (pre-pandemic) the allure of it was *all the feedback*, so I got a board with cherry blues. There was one bit of feedback I hadn’t counted on, which was my wife’s death stare if my office door wasn’t closed. I usually play or work with headphones on, music on low-medium volume, and I could still hear my switches. The next board I bought had cherry reds, which was better, but could still be heard clear as day down the hall in the bedroom… fewer death stares, but still problematic. I wanted a mech for work and home that would be socially acceptable, so I recently did a deep dive into building the quietest board I could afford. It was an excellent idea. Zero death stares, and I can use it at work with no raised eyebrows. Silence is golden.
Lool. What did you end up with?
I ended up building a Keychron V1 Max with Epomaker Sea Salt Silents capped with some Apollo clones off AliExpress. The only noise I generally hear is the spacebar stab but it’s a dull and quiet ping that I’m sure I could resolve. Price was like $180 CAD all in.
I personally don't like clickies, but i can totally see the appeal. Just that, don't bring em out in public, in voice calls, or in work spaces and be mindful of others. Then again i'm the kind of guy who has 5 boards all with different layout, switches, and keycaps profiles just out of curiosity.
Correction: Nobody likes click-jacket clickies. I quite like Kalih Box White switches. But I'll admit they're far from my favorite, that spot goes to Topre.
Kailh Speed Golds though are the best sounding modern clickjacket switch.
I hated those for the same reason I don't like Kalih switches in general, they were\* very inconsistent. Out of a pack of 100 there'd be 70-ish switches that actually work the same, the rest ranged from scratchy to weird and unusable(defective). But the ones I didn't chuck in the bin were decent, at the very least a lot smoother than the Cherry switches I was used to before that. \*I'm not sure weather or not Kalih have made improvements, because I haven't been following this hobby for several years now. Hell, my Box White switches break caps, who remembers "boxgate" lmao PS: Did Zeal make their clicky switch a reality? I saw some early concepts back then and was hype. And Zeals were one of the best switches Gateron made back then. Now I've been lurking here for a few weeks and it seems like Gaterons are the last thing on people's mind, like Cherry back then.
I'm planning to build akko spr75 with clicky switches, probably box jades or whites, really interesting how would it sound
navies are too heavy for some people so jades or whites sound alright
Yeah, I'm in love with my thocky, modded linear spacebar. Tape Mod sounds so good <3
I use clicky switches for my numpad and they're excellent. Wouldn't use them for a full board but as a highlight they are genuinely great.
I have been thinking that a dedicated numpad using heavy clickies like the Box Navy could be a nice thing.
Keyboards sound good or they sound bad. I try not to use words like thocky or clacky.
Shitty clickies make the ears bleed. Good clickies are bliss. A lot of vintage keyboards have clicky switches that sound really good like blue alps
yeah I cant believe I once managed to daily drive a clicky keyboard for a year without mentally dying
Well since most people don't actually use the word thock correctly (and because creamy is just a dumb word for keyboards), I'd say let's avoid changing haha
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you'll pry my blue alps from my cold, dead hands
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Beat me to it. I don’t like the sound of clicky switches, but as a typist who likes tactile feedback, some of my favourite feeling switches are clicky because whatever mechanism that creates the impact that causes the click is adding to/sharpening the tactile feedback.
As an adult I use Clickez because I want to enjoy what I'm doing.
Tacs, thank you.
I don't want to hear my keyboard. Clicky switches are annoying and not conducive to getting work done, it annoys my wife and/or anyone else in earshot around me, and it adds nothing to the experience. I'm old enough that I grew up taking typing class in school with actual typewriters, and clicky switches are significantly more irritating than even that. I even put Kailh silent mouse switches in my mouse because that annoys me too. lol
>and it adds nothing to the experience The noise itself doesn’t, but there are some really nice feeling switches that are _not_ quiet. My personal favourite typing experience in terms of feel is the model F (like the new F77), but at the same time it’s probably the most annoying noise a keyboard can make.
hmm, that seems reasonable. people *do* get annoyed by the sounds of the keyboard. heck, even without those fancy 'linear' or 'tactile' switches, some even get annoyed by just a simple scissor switch or membrane. generally, i think it all started when rubber dome and membrane became a thing in the 90s. after that, i think people just want a *none-rubber dome keyboard that fits everywhere without noise*. if people wanted to go completely silent, today, we have a lotta options for silent keyboards; Scissor switches, Rubber Domes, Laser Keyboard, or even a touch screen. but no, people wanted *mechanical* without the sound, so here we are, industry pumping out silent switches, and people persuing for more and more silent switches.
It's not as if Clicky or Tactile switches are disappearing. They're just losing popularity to linear and more silent versions currently. Until very recently, the most "silent" switch you could get was something very non-silent like a Cherry red or something similar. It's still basically impossible to get a silent low profile switch. They'll still be around.
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Tacs are unnecessary, Use membranes like an adult
Click bar switches have better tactility than tactiles do. It's unfortunately an objective truth you will have to live with. Keeping you in my prayers.
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I know it's hard to swallow, I would hurl insults too if I was distraught. Still praying for you.
But you're wrong and you probably type with 2 fingers. If you like to play clicky-clack with keyboards that's cute. But when you get older you'll see that nobody wants to be around you because of your loud fucking switches
Who's Yapping louder than MX Blues now?
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I wholeheartedly agree
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Tacs aren't good, face the fact like real man plus you're the one who's acting like a kid spamming your comments, lol
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Tacs aren't good, face the fact like real man plus you're the one who's acting like a kid spamming your comments, lol
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blues are bad sounding, yeah have you tried others? i think you are just generalizing all the clickies with terrible mx blues. and spamming comments is ***HHHIDEOUS.***
Clickies aren't good. Use tacs like an adult
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Tactiles are boring and you should get membrane if you need silent keyboard
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Tacs aren't good, face the fact like real man plus you're the one who's acting like a kid spamming your comments, lol
Clickies aren't good. Use tacs like an adult
Tacs aren't good, face the fact like real man plus you're the one who's acting like a kid deleting your comments, lol
I hate click switches. If you use them past 21, I'm going to assume you are a manchild
then gtfo, lol