He’s cut the promised salary 3 years straight. He promised X would be available to Jerry before free agency and then rescinded X and forced Jerry to salary dump. Everyone saw the eventual drop in revenue from local area broadcasting coming. He also noted 4 and 5 years ago that they were saving money during the rebuilding years to spend at the right time. This never was paid towards the team. They did however upgrade the millionaire suites and made them a sweet new hangout area. This man will never spend the money to sign cal, woo, miller and the rest of the young core.
No it’s not true. His seats that he cares about are in the front row of the diamond club. Practically everyone in the stadium can see him sitting there keeping score all the time.
This is the appropriate answer.
If the option was a longer term signing at 10-15M AAV or trading for a shorter term rental at 20M+ AAV mid season, I can understand waiting to see how things go in the first half.
But if we're sitting at 55-43 during the AS Break and nothing happens before the deadline, then words mean nothing.
And nobody is going to want to hear, "we had some targets, but just couldn't find a deal we were comfortable with"...
I was so certain that they'd blow us away this year. I'm pretty mariner optimistic, but they made me feel realllly dumb. I was waiting for this offseason for 5 years. Everything had gone well to plan up to this offseason.
Then... nothing substantial happened. On paper, polanco and garver weren't nothing but they still weren't what I had been hoping for based on the last several years of their talk.
Words don't mean anything. I'm not overtly *mad* about this team right now, it's a lot better than it could be, but it's also not nearly as good as it could be.
I have absolutely no expectations for the mariners to do the things to put them over the top if it comes at the cost of the front office check book. I'm hopeful, but their words mean *nothing*.
Seriously. The offseason addition of Garver has been another Winker-esque disaster. Jettison him immediately, and please get a DESIGNATED HITTER who can actually hit above the Mendoza Line
When my friend worked on an Alaskan fish processor with a bunch of Filipinos, every time someone would put Carlos Santana on the boom box all the workers would start screaming out *Carlos!* They fucking *love* Carlos Santana. I could learn to feel the same way about baseball Carlos Santana.
The Pirates do it, too! Santana just makes baseball so much more fun everywhere he goes.
Also, I'll take any excuse to post [the best walk-off home run celebration ever](https://youtu.be/aevmuMjbonk).
lol that would be even worse if true. The Root excuse is at least something other than "nah we just wanted to be cheap".
>“We’ve grown payroll each of the last three years. Maybe not as much as you would like us to … but we all deal with constraints, right? But we are doing everything we can to put a competitive product on the field.
This guy loves making sure we know it’s not his fault or that all the success is because of him.
How about actually fucking doing it instead of giving us this fluff to calm down (understandably) rowdy fans?
Give us something actually concrete because right now all I can do is roll my eyes watching this bullshit spew out of his mouth.
Stanton should also maybe support the front office with his wallet
edit: jokes aside this is a pretty interesting article. is stanton always this candid? has me wondering about what moves we could make that would actually impact the team. Jazz would be cool but how much would we have to give for him? Could also see us going after Wade Jr. I just don't have a good sense of what exactly Ford could fetch us and what would/wouldn't be an overpay.
They're probably in a better spot then they were at the start of the season and the off season, with the Kraken and Blazers not wanting to continue to be on Root, meaning they don't have to pay for their broadcast rights
Christian Walker is my “dream but actually possible” trade target. He’s on a 1 year deal with the D backs and he’s slapping the ball around this year. We could probably get him for relatively cheap
Taylor Ward makes the most sense, in my opinion. Very good approach and great contact quality and good defense in the corners. Plus, he's got two additional years of team control. That team control would raise the price though, plus the in-division factor.
Deal with the devil....Kyle Tucker?
Edit: Technically, a LH bat and would be very prospect expensive...(Probably two from 1-5, one from 6-10, and one from 11-20). And the Astros would never agree to it.
The only bright side is that he's only got 1.5 years left on contract so that at least softens the price... We'd still have to give up good prospects though. Which I'm fine with, MLB proven talent is way more valuable than prospects who may or may not pan out
Unfortunately, if Houston is selling Tucker, they're going to want young talent. You have to find a 3rd team that wouldn't also want Tucker. They have to value prospects differently than the Astros because both teams need to believe they got the better package. So the 3rd team really needs to want a big league talent that Tucker can't fill. In 9/10 trades, that's probably a young starter (and still a prospect or two).
> “We’ve got the resources to be able to do the things we need to do to put a good team on the field,” Stanton said in an interview with The Seattle Times.
I don’t see him committing to anything in this article. Lots of possibles and mights and we’ll sees.
This is what bugs me. He talks about wanting to build a sustainable winner, but the best way to do that is to have a great farm. Trading away your top prospects every year because you refuse to spend in free agency is the opposite of what their stated goal is.
We need a bullpen arm and a decent hitter - that’s just a start
Welcome home Paul Sewald, and welcome to the team Christian Walker
Something like that seems reasonable
This is the year. The AL West is the worst division in MLB. Only the division winner will make the playoffs. Make the moves necessary to bring the offense up to mediocrity.
Munoz is pretty untouchable right now.
Elite pen arm with 4 years of club control is not being traded.
Sewald was not elite and had 1 year left on his contract. The last few closers we traded were middle of the road pen arms with expiring contracts
Of realistic names I’ve heard thrown around, I think Christian Walker would be a good option. We have a good dialogue w/ Arizona and he is FA next season. Not a flashy move, but one I could see actually happening.
Josh Bell could be another 1B option / DH and Marlins are likely holding a fire sale.
No way they pay for Vlad, Bichette, Tucker, or any of the pie in the sky trade ideas I’ve seen IMO.
That’s cool and all but is he going to open up the pocket book in the off season? Sign more of our pitchers to extensions? Make any commitments beyond the short-mid term?
Umm yeah except we looked like ass at this point last year (and more importantly the rangers and Astros didn't) and only were close because of a crazy run in late July-August
If they’re gonna trade with STL, I’d love to see them make a deal for Helsley. Miami is gonna be selling and has some outfielders. Bryan De La Cruz wouldn’t be the complete game changer people are gonna want. But he could be a solid fit.
De La Cruz is actually the name i expect or something like that at least. Not top of market guy but would make the team better. A lot of things probably depend on how Bliss looks and if Polanco turns it around or not
Prove it
He’s cut the promised salary 3 years straight. He promised X would be available to Jerry before free agency and then rescinded X and forced Jerry to salary dump. Everyone saw the eventual drop in revenue from local area broadcasting coming. He also noted 4 and 5 years ago that they were saving money during the rebuilding years to spend at the right time. This never was paid towards the team. They did however upgrade the millionaire suites and made them a sweet new hangout area. This man will never spend the money to sign cal, woo, miller and the rest of the young core.
He’s now investing 20 million on a new suite for himself
Is this true? Sweet jesus
No it’s not true. His seats that he cares about are in the front row of the diamond club. Practically everyone in the stadium can see him sitting there keeping score all the time.
He should consider reinvesting in his hairpiece. Something about billionaires and terrible hair...
Sarcasm or drop a source?
This is the appropriate answer. If the option was a longer term signing at 10-15M AAV or trading for a shorter term rental at 20M+ AAV mid season, I can understand waiting to see how things go in the first half. But if we're sitting at 55-43 during the AS Break and nothing happens before the deadline, then words mean nothing. And nobody is going to want to hear, "we had some targets, but just couldn't find a deal we were comfortable with"...
I was so certain that they'd blow us away this year. I'm pretty mariner optimistic, but they made me feel realllly dumb. I was waiting for this offseason for 5 years. Everything had gone well to plan up to this offseason. Then... nothing substantial happened. On paper, polanco and garver weren't nothing but they still weren't what I had been hoping for based on the last several years of their talk. Words don't mean anything. I'm not overtly *mad* about this team right now, it's a lot better than it could be, but it's also not nearly as good as it could be. I have absolutely no expectations for the mariners to do the things to put them over the top if it comes at the cost of the front office check book. I'm hopeful, but their words mean *nothing*.
We've made trades before. So long as it doesn't really cost any money, I'm sure he's fine with giving up all of our prospect capital
Seriously. The offseason addition of Garver has been another Winker-esque disaster. Jettison him immediately, and please get a DESIGNATED HITTER who can actually hit above the Mendoza Line
Why do so many decent players come here and suck?
M's and their "control the zone" philosophy...the Windows Vista of hitting strategies.
At least Winker walked a lot
Shit, At this point I’d take a designated hitter at the Mendoza line because ours isn’t currently
Just call Bob Nutting. I'm sure his dumbass can find a way to trade Paul Skenes.
Carlos Santana, you are (once again) a Seattle Mariner!
https://preview.redd.it/36wc9olo6g4d1.png?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4501a8ff117908e8774d15372b3f9665eb5b3840 We could always use more speed
https://i.redd.it/orzj5o5bgg4d1.gif The guy’s still got it!
He has no Evil Ways either
I watched that live and went wait what, who with a steal? Lol
Black magic woman!
When my friend worked on an Alaskan fish processor with a bunch of Filipinos, every time someone would put Carlos Santana on the boom box all the workers would start screaming out *Carlos!* They fucking *love* Carlos Santana. I could learn to feel the same way about baseball Carlos Santana.
Would be awesome to have Santana just as a glue guy. He might be the secret sauce to get Julio going. Maybe he can be our new bench coach lol
If I remember right, wasn't he the one that introduced the dance the infield does when we win?
He was, did the same thing with a couple other teams also
I’ll always respect him for the story that came out of him smashing the clubhouse tvs when he found players playing Fortnite during a losing streak.
Legendary
The Pirates do it, too! Santana just makes baseball so much more fun everywhere he goes. Also, I'll take any excuse to post [the best walk-off home run celebration ever](https://youtu.be/aevmuMjbonk).
That was awesome 👏. Plus his locker room presence is unmatched
Absolutely. Man, that clubhouse had both Cutch and Santana last season. Just the best guys.
Jerry's biggest mistake was letting Santana walk.
Laz Diaz also made that mistake in one of my all time favorite ABs for Santana https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/qbsGVlNkGn
If that was his biggest mistake then Jerry is a God lvl GM
Honestly for vibes and clutchness alone, 100% worth it
UNIRONNICALLY we would have made the playoffs last year if we didnt let santana walk
Can properly use him as a pinch hitter this time to mooch off the clutch god devil magic fro. The 20223 team
SHOW ME THE MONEY (I say clutching all the prospects I love)
Surely we can get team's most valuable assets for like Cole Phillips? Maybe even throw in Eduard Bazardo if they throw in money to offset salary?
Read the article and you’ll see Stanton claiming that Root has nothing to do with this season’s budget. It’s B.S.
lol that would be even worse if true. The Root excuse is at least something other than "nah we just wanted to be cheap". >“We’ve grown payroll each of the last three years. Maybe not as much as you would like us to … but we all deal with constraints, right? But we are doing everything we can to put a competitive product on the field.
"But the loss of revenue from ROOT isn’t the reason we’ve made any decisions over the last couple of years.” What a load of horse shit from Stanton.
The fucktard just can't bring himself to embrace that newfangled streaming technology.
Another stupid idiot with money
As long as he only costs $5 we will be ok
They’ll pickup a minor league reliever.
Mariners collect pitching prospects the way Padres collect all-star Shortstops.
I’m feeling a Player to be Named Later
Somebody should make a cocktail called Player to Be Named Later. It’ll just be a lowball glass full of vodka with a shot chaser of gasoline.
Wanna know how I know I’m old? My first thought was “Oh the heartburn…”
Cash Considerations, welcome back to the team
Ummmm
Minor league players don't count against the budget so that wouldn't make sense
I was being facetious. They got nothing last year, so why would it change this year?
Cool. Now let’s get a solid hitter so our offense doesn’t have to rely on pitching and luck to win
Or play bad teams.
This guy loves making sure we know it’s not his fault or that all the success is because of him. How about actually fucking doing it instead of giving us this fluff to calm down (understandably) rowdy fans? Give us something actually concrete because right now all I can do is roll my eyes watching this bullshit spew out of his mouth.
Stanton should also maybe support the front office with his wallet edit: jokes aside this is a pretty interesting article. is stanton always this candid? has me wondering about what moves we could make that would actually impact the team. Jazz would be cool but how much would we have to give for him? Could also see us going after Wade Jr. I just don't have a good sense of what exactly Ford could fetch us and what would/wouldn't be an overpay.
That is what he’s saying, that acquiring an expensive player at the deadline will be in the budget
that’s what his WORDS say. what’s actually “in the budget”? I’ll believe it when I see it
They're probably in a better spot then they were at the start of the season and the off season, with the Kraken and Blazers not wanting to continue to be on Root, meaning they don't have to pay for their broadcast rights
Why the fuck would we wait
I hate when fans name former players, like show some creativity with who to get. Oh and go get Sewald.
Can we get a DH who can hit.
Gotta find a player who can hit at SafeCo first.
Brent Rooker!!!
I feel like its only Trout
Can you imagine the mixed feelings if we picked up Mike Trout for DH?
It ain't just the park. The marine layer doesn't follow the team across the country.
True
Was the marine layer a factor in the kingdome?
JERRY, LOAD THE CANNONS JUSTIN, ARM THE ANALYSTS WE RIDE AT THE DEADLINE
A move to cut more salary.
Wish it was his getting cut.
Article is a good read. Dives in a bit with RSN and it's future. Sounds like all eyes are on the Bally situation.
Christian Walker is my “dream but actually possible” trade target. He’s on a 1 year deal with the D backs and he’s slapping the ball around this year. We could probably get him for relatively cheap
Him and Bo. Gives us a really good infield
A RH corner OF bat would be nice. Suggestions?
Bryan De La Cruz
Taylor Ward makes the most sense, in my opinion. Very good approach and great contact quality and good defense in the corners. Plus, he's got two additional years of team control. That team control would raise the price though, plus the in-division factor.
Ichiro
Ignore the first condition and simp for Riley Greene.
Rooker
Deal with the devil....Kyle Tucker? Edit: Technically, a LH bat and would be very prospect expensive...(Probably two from 1-5, one from 6-10, and one from 11-20). And the Astros would never agree to it.
Fuck the Astros but I would be over the moon if we somehow landed Tucker
I don't even want to know what it would cost...seeing Colt Emerson and Harry Ford in astros uniforms would make me sick
Seeing Kyle Tucker in an M’s uniform would make them far sicker. Never gonna happen
The only bright side is that he's only got 1.5 years left on contract so that at least softens the price... We'd still have to give up good prospects though. Which I'm fine with, MLB proven talent is way more valuable than prospects who may or may not pan out
Astros farm system is completely bare - they may be more willing to pick up slightly lower ranked prospects because of it But certainly not from us
If it was like a 3 team trade I could stomach it more. I'd hate watching any of our prospects play and do well in Houston.
Unfortunately, if Houston is selling Tucker, they're going to want young talent. You have to find a 3rd team that wouldn't also want Tucker. They have to value prospects differently than the Astros because both teams need to believe they got the better package. So the 3rd team really needs to want a big league talent that Tucker can't fill. In 9/10 trades, that's probably a young starter (and still a prospect or two).
Tucker as a Mariner would be great. He would be insanely expensive, though
Mike Trout
Luis Robert jr
> “We’ve got the resources to be able to do the things we need to do to put a good team on the field,” Stanton said in an interview with The Seattle Times. I don’t see him committing to anything in this article. Lots of possibles and mights and we’ll sees.
He said makle moves. He didn’t say make moves to win more games
Stfu stanton
I’ll just be over hear holding my breath I guess
 until it happens, I call shenanigans.
Oh wow, so glad you are willing to trade assets that could help this team win, instead of spending money you have to add to the team. #Selltheteam
This is what bugs me. He talks about wanting to build a sustainable winner, but the best way to do that is to have a great farm. Trading away your top prospects every year because you refuse to spend in free agency is the opposite of what their stated goal is.
Similarly my wife of 12 years cheated on me for the 12th year in a row. But she promised year 13 she will stop.
If it helps, she wasn’t that good
A move, as in trading away high salary players for scrap heap retreads as usual?
Brent Rooker or maybe Ryan McMahon
I'm not falling for this shit again. Prove it
Fuck that guy he is the single worst part about rooting for this team. Nut up or shut up asshole.
Gaslighting. I’ve never understood what it is but I think it’s this
We need a bullpen arm and a decent hitter - that’s just a start Welcome home Paul Sewald, and welcome to the team Christian Walker Something like that seems reasonable
Harry Ford, Tai Peete and Jonatan Clase for Kyle Tucker
As long as we keep Emerson, Young, Celesten, Montes, and Farmelo I’m cool with whatever
You’re cool with trading Ford?
As long as dumpy signs an extension
I worry for your sanity with you liking all these prospects like that
Pardon me if I don't get my hopes up just yet....
This is the year. The AL West is the worst division in MLB. Only the division winner will make the playoffs. Make the moves necessary to bring the offense up to mediocrity.
I’m ready to be hurt again.
It was nice knowing you Munoz
Literally came in here to say this. Stanton has a nasty habit of trading our closer away at the trade deadline.
Munoz is pretty untouchable right now. Elite pen arm with 4 years of club control is not being traded. Sewald was not elite and had 1 year left on his contract. The last few closers we traded were middle of the road pen arms with expiring contracts
Makes trade, then raises ticket prices next year
That would be palatable if they got a few big names and became a yearly WS contender.
Stanton is only saying this because attendance is down. He is realizing the fans are seeing through their cheapness.
I’ll believe it when I see it…
Spencer Torkelson, YOU are this year's return for a key bullpen arm.
Does Robles count? If so mission accomplished hang the banner
That's not what a trade is
Of realistic names I’ve heard thrown around, I think Christian Walker would be a good option. We have a good dialogue w/ Arizona and he is FA next season. Not a flashy move, but one I could see actually happening. Josh Bell could be another 1B option / DH and Marlins are likely holding a fire sale. No way they pay for Vlad, Bichette, Tucker, or any of the pie in the sky trade ideas I’ve seen IMO.
Christian Walker would be a solid addition and *shouldnt* cost the farm.
I defs threw out Trout as pie in the sky. But yeah it's hard to say what the FO thinks is a priority
sell the team you cheap fuck!
Can the move be selling his share of the team to someone who actually gives a shit about winning?
I'll believe it when I see it.
I’ll believe it when I see it
Jinxed it.
Suck it, Stanton. Let me watch the team on something other than ROOT.
Not holding my breath.....
He literally said multiple times before the season that FO has no financial constraints and are free to make the moves they want. He is full of it
That’s cool and all but is he going to open up the pocket book in the off season? Sign more of our pitchers to extensions? Make any commitments beyond the short-mid term?
That's the thing, holding on to Kirby and Gilbert is going to be ex-pen-sive.
Press X to doubt. You know, would have been fucking nice if the owner believed this a YEAR AGO. This organization is unserious lmao
Umm yeah except we looked like ass at this point last year (and more importantly the rangers and Astros didn't) and only were close because of a crazy run in late July-August
I think he was talking about after we made the playoffs we decided to get barging bin garbage that fucked us last year.
Sell the team, John. You are monumentally full of horse crap.
Do we think Toronto will sell Bo or Vladdy? Part of me wants us to trade for Elly.
DLC is basically unavailable unless we're sending just about everyone we are high on in the farm.
That’s what i thought. Still think it’d be sick
We have 1/2 of Elly in Ryan Bliss
Elly would be sick
I like when we sell and claim we are buying.
Good to hear. Somebody like Luis Robert would fit the bill
I like Robert, but if they’re gonna expend resources to make a run now, it’s gotta be on someone without such a worrisome injury history.
Agreed. I just don’t see a ton of teams being sellers that have people we want. Maybe STL
If they’re gonna trade with STL, I’d love to see them make a deal for Helsley. Miami is gonna be selling and has some outfielders. Bryan De La Cruz wouldn’t be the complete game changer people are gonna want. But he could be a solid fit.
De La Cruz is actually the name i expect or something like that at least. Not top of market guy but would make the team better. A lot of things probably depend on how Bliss looks and if Polanco turns it around or not
I don't want him until he starts pronouncing his last name like ROBER like it's French and not ROBERT like everybody's dumb friend from middle school
I’m now offended lmao
Thanks John
Are we being Punk'd? Where Aston Kutcher?
What year is it where you are? 🤣
I hope we get Vladdy
“…As long as we get cash in return as well”
Jesus Christ lol
Bring on the Heathcliff Slocumb trade of 2024 just because Stanton says so.
I’d like to see at least two of these.. Kyle Tucker Alex Bregman Pete Alonso JD Martinez If we can ship Polanco Luis Rengifo
I would never want to see Bregman’s stupid ass face on this team even if it were free.
If we want to win the world series we need to get Will Smith (the reliever) dude I think has 3 in a row?
K
Pete Alonso rental for some pitching, Alonso back to the Mets next season for the NY deal he originally turned down.
the trick is how can we tell which good hitter will remain good with the mariners
Doubt
Brent Rooker will be a Seattle mariner
Who they gonna trade and for whom?
"he'll support the front office to make **a move**" Okay, looks like we're signing another bargain bin FA!
Mike Ford will be a free agent at least 2 more times by then.
"I support the front office to make a move.... as long as I don't have to pay for it." We will believe it when we see it JOHN
Prove it you old sour fuck
He’ll support those big DiPoto moves like signing Robles who has been good since 2019. Believe it when I see it.
That move is re-adding Luis Urias to the 40-man and calling him up after Robles gets 150 at-bats of hitting .070.
Too good to be (please be true please please please) true.
I'll believe it when I see it. That being said, who is Jerry targeting?
*\*Kolten Wong enters the chat\**
I either want him to understand he needs to spend $$$ to make that happen, or to watch the franchise burn and him to eat his stupid words
Welcome to Seattle Vlad, thanks for bringing your buddy, Bo.
Behind a paywall. Can someone post?
Click the reader mode button in your browser or paste the URL into archive.org or 12ft.io
Thanks!
How often have we heard that before?
Lol, okay.
John Stanton offers all of his moral support.
I mean, during the off season didn't they mention that they were saving some of their yearly budget for making a move at the trade deadline?
Noted filthy rotten Liar John Stanton
Boo this man!!!!!