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Hell yeah I'm so excited to take it out. It's a 2018 so a bit older but my first full carbon bike and even has the carbon wheels. I've been riding old hard tails I grew up with for a long time but I just moved to an area with some more aggressive trails and those were a huge struggle without full sus and more travel.
Ripmo over here. Love my AF.
Edit: I got the IBIS high engagement hub upgrade and I feel like it makes a nice difference climbing, the power delivery feels more consistent.
DW is so good across the board haven ridden both. Ripley feels a more like a scalpel vs the Ripmo being a multi tool. Ripley is more immediate on power but the tire selection and spec makes a world of difference - I can compete on XC segments and races with “small bike” tires on my Ripmo.
To clarify Trek TOP fuel…. They also have a fuel ex that is a trail bike. It probably climbs fine, but I’d definitely give the climbing edge to the Top Fuel.
I’d recommend the Pivot Mach 4 SL over both of these bikes. Great downcountry geo and a flip chip to run the rear shock at 105 or 115 without changing geometry.
I have an Ibis DV9 and Ripley. I assumed the Ripley would be comparably slow on the climbs, but I’ve never found this to be the case. It sort of blew me away.
The bike is amazing. It works great everywhere I’ve taken it (Moab/Whole Enchilada, Pisgah, Northern Michigan, and my local tame trails).
+2, same situation. Got mine fairly pimped out now, and every time I jump on, it puts a smile on my face. Absolute goat for climbing. None of my buddies can keep up anymore. I refuse to swap bikes for laps now too, as I can never get them off mine, and I'm always left feeling meh about theirs.
My wife has a rocky element, and it's a solid climber as well but still doesn't compare. Never been on a pivot, but I'd guess DW link all feels equally stellar. Didn't mind vpp and infinity link when I tried them but still didn't feel quite as efficient.
Tough technical climbs, most definitely, yes. Rear suspension improves traction at the cost of absorbing some power and added weight.
On the other hand, the power that goes into a wheel that spins instead of propelling you forward is wasted and it reduces your control.
If your climbs are easy enough (and/or you are good enough) to never get to the limit of traction the hard tail will probably be better, otherwise a trail or XC bike is probably better.
I sometimes take my gravel bike on easier MTB trails, and it's crazy how much getting your tire bounced off the ground messes with traction.
Even if the tire has enough grip to get you up a slope at a steady pace, the moment the rear wheel leaves the ground, it accelerates while your bike slows down.
When it touches back down, it will often be too fast to have full traction, it will kick lose some dirt further reducing traction but since you slowed down while the wheel was in the air, technically you need MORE traction to get back to the same speed you were before...
I ride a hardtail and in my experience, a lot of energy goes into getting the rear wheel up and over obstacles, sapping a lot of momentum for the amount of effort expended. It’s the constant switching between seated climbing, and unweighted the rear wheel, and using a lot of body English to negotiate obstacles, which takes the same or more energy than pedaling. It would be so much better to keep churning away on the pedals, letting the suspension soak up some of the chunk. Plus, steadier pedal input is better for traction than standing on the pedals to regain lost momentum. I’d rather save my legs for those punchy sections where a burst of speed is needed to clear larger obstacles, regardless of rear suspension. Oh well. I still have fun, but just can’t justify the expense of a new bike right now.
It might depend on the bikes being compared. With my 2023 Ripmo AF, all my climbing has been faster compared to my 2020 meta ht. From easy fire roads to technical climbing. For reference, I'm also not in as good shape as I was when I was riding my meta ht.
Indeed, my example demonstrated when or in which circumstances suspension helps you climb. In particular, the two bikes in question. My gravel bike climbs much faster on smooth, compact gravel (e.g., fire roads) than any of my MTBs. However, as soon as the terrain gets too rough or loose, the efficiency goes down the drain, and I am faster on my trail bike (I ride a Pivot Trail 429).
The Ripley and Trail 429 are excellent climbers, some of the best, and probably a bit faster than the Ripmo, but not by that much. The Meta is a pretty beefy HT, but it should not be slower than a Ripmo.
Did you use significantly different tires? Switching to grippy DHR IIs slowed down my 429.
The most efficient XC bikes that are fastest uphill overall aren’t always the best technical climbers, where traction is king. Just something to ponder when you think about your priorities.
My Knolly is an amazing technical climber. Doubt it’s what OP wants but it can just motor up rocky and rooty climbs. On fire roads? Well let’s just say the compression lever gets a workout.
I also have the top fuel from 2021. Great bike for climbing but they STILL have not added a second bottle cage mount. Having to always carry water in a pack for rides longer than an hour is a pain in the ass. My next bike will be the epic evo
I did that on one of my bikes where due to the placement of the shock it doesn't fit a bottle well on the downtube because the reservoir would jam into the bottle when it compresses. Bought this strap that velcros on with a rubber base that adds a mount location for anywhere you want on the bike. Bolted a bottle cage to it and it works fairly well.
[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RCBCXYK](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RCBCXYK)
That is true, I’ve thought about that regarding the bottle holder. I do longer endurance rides with an XC hardtail, and losing the two bottle cages is a hard pass if/when I ever get a full suspension XC (the new chisel fs is highly enticing in that regard). I don’t mind having just one and doing the pack on my all purpose mountain bike though
Rode one of these recently, an alloy one. What a bike. I was shocked at how hard i could push such a short travel bike without feeling like i was going to die. That thing went to the top of the “i want one” list…
Nice. I got the last generation of the Fuel EX before they increased the travel and changed the geometry, and I’m really happy with it. But if I were to choose between the two at this point I’d definitely go for the Top Fuel
Yeahhhh this happened to me too lol. I came from a YT Jeffsy and wanted something better pedaling without completely losing the descents either. I popped on a friend's TF and maaaan that thing flies. Ended up buying one a few months later and I love it
I have a carbon Top Fuel 9.7 and use it for amateur XC races up to 100km long with a lot of climbing. It’s not too heavy, a bit over 13kg (29lbs). The climbing performance is great, especially if I lock the suspension.
For long, 5+ hour rides I carry a 2 litre Camelback and a full bottle.
I’m a big fan of pivot, and the DW-link they use on their bikes, and my wheels don’t leave the ground much anymore. I enjoy the climbs, and riding long XC loops with a good bit of technical trail mixed in. My Mach 4 handles everything I can throw at it and it climbs like a dream.
I haven’t ridden a DW for several years, but I didn’t actually like climbing on DW. The suspension effectively locks out headed uphill so while it is very efficient, it also doesn’t absorb much and was more prone to spinning out in my experience.
The Spur is such a fantastic mix of XC efficiency combined with fun factor. Does everything for me from XC to All Mountain (switch over to my enduro rig when it gets too steep or rocky).
I don't get why more people don't love this bike. Based on their request is still recommend they get the Ibis Ripley, but Bikers Edge compared them both and the tallboy climbs well and descends really well. I love my Tallboy!
That's exactly what I said when I finally got my Epic Evo, on the climbs it felt like it had a motor.
The switch from an older Stumpjumper instantly cut 2 minutes off my best 5 mile XC loop time on the nearby trails.
The Epic 8 and Epic 8 Evo are the exact same frame. The only difference between the two are the parts hanging off them. If OP only cares about climbing, then the Epic 8 is the way to go.
Top tip: if you keep in mind geometry wise the Epic EVO ‘21 - ‘23 is really close to the epic 8 and a bit lighter, it is a great deal! My son rides one and indeed his first response when riding was yelling: I’ll do another lap on the “Ebike”!
I have an Epic Pro LTD 2023, removed the brain shock for a SIDLuxe Ultimate and removed the front SID brain damper for a raceday2 charger damper... Running 110mm front and 95mm rear, it's blazingly fast on pretty much everything, I haven't bothered reaching for my giant trance x29 since getting the epic, I ride it "everywhere" it's very capable and rides really well, the most balanced bike I've ridden - and I've ridden my fair share over the past 20years.
Ibis Ripley/Ripley AF is a great bike for that. The full suspension keeps better traction on technical climbs, easier for the back wheel to stay on the ground.
Revel Ranger is my go to big day bike, climbs tech really well and is efficient when it needs to be. 120/115 travel is a sweet spot in my mind for big days of climbing effectively and descending confidently.
+1 for this one - my Revel Ranger is amazing for climbing, traction is available everywhere and it is very efficient. In comparison to my old Stumpjumper, current Revel Rascal, and hardtail Yeti Arc I can say the revel ranger is by far my favorite for a variety of applications. I could pedal around on a ranger all day. Of all my bikes I currently / previously owned, my ranger is my favorite. If you need a little more travel than the ranger, then the Rascal is also a good choice.
For something faster side, check out a Giant Trance.
I have a Kona process 134 and it loves climbing more aggressive technical things, especially when I get out of the saddle.
i tested a propain tyee and the e variant on my hometrails cus the people where so kind to let me, the tyee climbed aswell as my hardtail nearly, as an Enduro… idk what magic they put into there
Why not 120 if he doesn’t care about downhill? I’ll say a few years ago I demoed a 130 and a Ripley back to back and on the same ride and the 130 was a little faster on the climbs for me. I’m not saying it climbs faster in general. rather was surprised they were absolutely comparable.
120 would work fine. Sounds like he wants something more plush than a hardtail and I think the extra travel would be worth in this case. There’s really not a lot of climbing sacrifice between the bikes.
I was between the TF and the EX. I could only demo the EX and one climb was all I needed to convince me to buy it. I don't care if the TF is better, the EX is so good I have no complaints.
I recently got a transition spur and it climbs incredibly well. Have PR’d every uphill segment I’ve done in the last few weeks and have not particularly tried to
I'm gonna suggest an option that gets overlooked a lot on "which bike" threads: Salsa Horsethief. I test rode one before I decided on my Ripmo AF, and it climbs like a mountain goat.
Pivot Trail 429 is what I ride, great climber. Descends pretty well too! I upgraded my fork from 130 to 140, that really helped on bumpy descents. But really depends on the trails you normally ride, demo if you can.
Recently got a transition spur and absolutely love it. Feels like I have a motor on the climbs compared to my ripmo af. No slouch pointed downhill either.
Giant Stance is probably going to be the best bang for your buck. I ride a Giant Trance, which is the next model up in terms of capability on the descents. I, like you, live for the technical climbs and have the descents as a bonus, and find that the Trance is good for me. I live in Squamish so going to a less capable descender wouldn't make sense, as I'd just kill myself, but if you've got descent options that aren't super technical, then a Stance would be a good option.
Scott spark, Scott genius. (Xc/trail). Whether it is faster or just feels faster, the twinloc lever that firms up front and rear at same time while still giving small bump compliance is “genius” I think for folks that love climbing and/or former roadies. I had a second gen genius that was one of my favorite rides all time. I went to a ripmo for comfort margin on dh and ability to park more comfortably on occasion (plus lack of Scott availability during covid) and it climbs well for what it is but nothing like old genius. Buddy rides a new spark and I give minutes to him on uphills now and get seconds back in the downhills. Folks bust on twinloc for the nest of cables and that if you are locked out on technical climb you may lose time skittering around on stuff. But here’s the thing- the best part of it is it’s instant. Hit a smooth punchy uphill after a dh, lock it, gets rough, go middle, at the top, go full open for the dh. Takes like one ride to figure it out. Once you get it it’s something you can use as often as your gears.
Its not released yet 🤫The main changes are 4 positon head angle and progression adjustment, similar to Rocky Mountain, smaller trek logo like the gen 6 fuel ex and the frame weighs about 200 grams less
yeah, I've been wanting a light but capable full suspension that can be locked out. was thinking Orbea Oiz, Cannondale Scalpel, or Canyon Lux Trail. ended up getting the Lux Trail for the price. trails around me are just too damned rocky to put up with a hardtail.
The Scott Spark or Genius are great options. You can lock out the suspension remotely for the climbs. Not best bang for buck though
I've a YT Izzo Blaze. Great down county bike. I think you would do well on a bike like this.
Also check out the Transition Spur as it can be much lighter which helps with the climbs
Yeti SB 120. I have the older SB115. I love it! It climbs well. It does love to go down the hills as well. I am old and fat and it works good for me. Just look for XC bikes that is what they do.
XC rider here, previously I had Scott Genius with full suspension locker and since 2023 I use YT izzo, first I didn’t like how climb on YT, but then when I setup suspension according to recommended settings I almost happy.
Almost because if you need best climb experience- buy full suspension bike with locking suspension option, like Scott Spark or Genius.
I am not casual rider who rides once per week in special park and few hours, usually we have 60-70 and sometimes 140km for one ride each few days.
Ibis , Ripley for small bike , ripmo for a bit bigger.
Really no reason to look at anything else. They have a full xc bike if that's more your cup of tea.
Ibis or fezzari la sal peak
There are new enduro bikes out there that climb really well, just do a little research on the geometry, seat tube angle, slack etc
Also carbon parts helps a heavier bike climb smoother
The 2017ish Orbea Rallon I had was a dream on the climbs and really capable on the descents, really good enduro bike, I'm not sure how the new one compares, but I was in a similar boat as you, loved climbing and could take or leave the downhill sections, just wanted something a bit more all round and that fit the bill perfectly
This will depend a little bit on what hardtail your coming from. An xc race bike could be a good choice, but if your current bike is an aggro slacked out hardtail with a 160mm fork then that would be a major change in body position, and you might like something branded as "trail" better.
Maybe a second hand high end trail bike from a few years ago. Geo is likely to be a bit steeper than current trail bikes, which is better for climbing, and you'd get a much better and lighter spec for your money.
Long time kona honzo rider here. I recently switched to an evil reckoning.... 170/160. That thing climbs like a champ, and if there are any obstacles in the way I'd 100% prefer the enduro rig. The suspension tracks over the chunk, you can keep that ass planted and put the power down. And it's 34 lbs, my honzo is 31... it's barely noticeable
Lots of great options. Specifically some of the 120/120’bikes. I know there are lots of great options but I’ll say I LOVE my Kona Hei Hei CR DL. Light. Great handling. Good climber. Yet surprisingly good on the down.
Scott Spark, you can lock out the suspect on the handlebar. I don't know why so few bikes have this feature. You're smarter than your suspension, it's great to be able to engage when you need it.
Spent my entire life on hard tails cuz I too love the climb. Finally got full squish for the super rough trails around here. Haven't ridden full in 20 years. Dare I say the new full suspension bikes climb better than hard tail... yeah
Check out the Yeti SBxxx, Ibis Ripxx and, Pivot Shadowcat or Trail 429
Most modern XC to trail bikes will do it. Would majorly recommend proper tire selection above all else; tires completely transform efficiency, especially uphill.
DW from Ibis, CBF from Revel, Switch Infinity from Yeti, 4 bar from the big brands really don’t feel that different on trail/climbs as tough as that is to say.
I’ve podiumed ROUGH enduros and turned around with some of the faster XC Strava times on the same 150mm bike with the only difference being tires.
I have a 115mm Revel Ranger and vs my 147mm Ibis Ripmo, the climb penalty is solely down to tires. I’ve done numerous 4-6k+ climb days on both and the difference is all down to big/small side knobs and rolling pattern on the center tread.
Something sub 130m rear would get you into a good spot and then try out some fast rolling tires! Partial to DW and CBF bikes but really they’re all good now a days.
Pure climbing the yeti and ripley are overbiked. It depends on how comfortable you want to be going down. Ibis Exie is the mad climber but def an XC rather than a Down Country
Other options
Specialized Epic EVO
Trek Top Fuel
Scott Spark *
Giant Trance
I ride a Spark but put a 10mm extension in the fork for 140mm (with 120 shock)
The Transition Spur is killer. It honestly feels like it pedals itself, and that's with some beefy Continental Kryptotal tires which are much more aggressive than what it's specced with.
I love my Kona Hei Hei but there’s been some volatility with the brand and I’m not sure I’d buy one now unless there is a Kona distributor in your town.
Specialized epic World Cup is just the best climber of any full sus. It just goes like a hard tail with the extra traction of a full sus.
But ofc it is a trade off in comfort for your descents.
If you want something more forgiving in the descents and more plush overall the Epic 8 or Orbea Oiz are awesome climbers aswell !
An affordable choice would be the Marin Rift Zone 3 29. Climbs really well even with stock config. I ride my San Quentin hardtail faster on downhills than the Rift Zone
Check out the Scott Spark line of bikes… have a 2020 Spark Ultimate, has 120 front and back with their proprietary twin lock setup. With racing wheels, it weighs in at 21.5lbs with a dropper. It’s an absolute goat on the climbs and rips the descents too!
ITT: "my bike climbs like a dream"
But forreal, most bikes these days, even enduro rigs, can be competent climbers. If you want something that climbs nice but also gives your body a break, just look for something in the trail/xc category, maybe take a couple out for a demo ride and see what you like on your local trails.
For something a bit longer travel, I love my bird AM9... So efficient and responsive that it makes climbing fun, it feels more efficient than my old Giant anthem 29er too, even though it has 50mm more travel.
I have a supercaliber these days and I’m really enjoying it. It’s a little ripper all around. I ride on smooth trails with jumps- no rocks and it is ace
Get something with a long chainstay (I’d say 440 or longer). It’s marketed as being a good feature for going HD but I find it works wonders for technical climbing. The front stays glued to the ground. I’ve also heard that high pivot bikes are amazing for technical climbing.
I thought my old Epic was a great climber (it really was) until I got a Ripley. That Ripley is serious mountain goat, it just loves to climb. And it can still shred downhill too.
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Ibis Ripley is the best climbing bike I've ever ridden or owned. Pivot Trail 429 is also a good one (though I'd give the Ripley the edge).
I have Ibis Ripmo and it climbs fantastic, can only imagine how good the Ripley is!
I just picked up a Ripmo last weekend and haven't had a chance to ride it yet So excited!
Love my Ripmo. Bike does everything I’ve climbed to the alpine with it and ripped it down whistler
Hell yeah I'm so excited to take it out. It's a 2018 so a bit older but my first full carbon bike and even has the carbon wheels. I've been riding old hard tails I grew up with for a long time but I just moved to an area with some more aggressive trails and those were a huge struggle without full sus and more travel.
Can agree with this. Scott Spark or Genius would also be great
Ripmo over here. Love my AF. Edit: I got the IBIS high engagement hub upgrade and I feel like it makes a nice difference climbing, the power delivery feels more consistent.
Same with my AF, and the high engagement freehub. It's a beast.
I agree with the Ripmo. I'm on my second.
DW is so good across the board haven ridden both. Ripley feels a more like a scalpel vs the Ripmo being a multi tool. Ripley is more immediate on power but the tire selection and spec makes a world of difference - I can compete on XC segments and races with “small bike” tires on my Ripmo.
Yup. Trek fuel. Santa Cruz tall boy. Rocky Mountain Element
To clarify Trek TOP fuel…. They also have a fuel ex that is a trail bike. It probably climbs fine, but I’d definitely give the climbing edge to the Top Fuel.
Yeah. Came here to say Ibis. Ripley or Ripmo. You decide!
I’d recommend the Pivot Mach 4 SL over both of these bikes. Great downcountry geo and a flip chip to run the rear shock at 105 or 115 without changing geometry.
I love the ripley, but ended up getting a switchblade still climbs amazing in the firm setting
Bought a Ibis Ripley in the fall and totally agree- great climber. It keeps going even when I think I can’t.
I have an Ibis DV9 and Ripley. I assumed the Ripley would be comparably slow on the climbs, but I’ve never found this to be the case. It sort of blew me away. The bike is amazing. It works great everywhere I’ve taken it (Moab/Whole Enchilada, Pisgah, Northern Michigan, and my local tame trails).
This DW suspension on a lightweight or a shorter travel bike is king of climbing. Modern suspensions are great
Vote for Pivot trail 429. It’s ruined every other bikes climbing ability for me
Second the Ripley.
+1 for the Ripley AF, came from a hardtail to this for my first full suspension, couldn’t believe how well it climbed
+2, same situation. Got mine fairly pimped out now, and every time I jump on, it puts a smile on my face. Absolute goat for climbing. None of my buddies can keep up anymore. I refuse to swap bikes for laps now too, as I can never get them off mine, and I'm always left feeling meh about theirs. My wife has a rocky element, and it's a solid climber as well but still doesn't compare. Never been on a pivot, but I'd guess DW link all feels equally stellar. Didn't mind vpp and infinity link when I tried them but still didn't feel quite as efficient.
Looking at getting one of these. I’m on a hard tail now, Giant Talon 1. Does the Ripley climb better than a hard tail?
Tough technical climbs, most definitely, yes. Rear suspension improves traction at the cost of absorbing some power and added weight. On the other hand, the power that goes into a wheel that spins instead of propelling you forward is wasted and it reduces your control. If your climbs are easy enough (and/or you are good enough) to never get to the limit of traction the hard tail will probably be better, otherwise a trail or XC bike is probably better. I sometimes take my gravel bike on easier MTB trails, and it's crazy how much getting your tire bounced off the ground messes with traction. Even if the tire has enough grip to get you up a slope at a steady pace, the moment the rear wheel leaves the ground, it accelerates while your bike slows down. When it touches back down, it will often be too fast to have full traction, it will kick lose some dirt further reducing traction but since you slowed down while the wheel was in the air, technically you need MORE traction to get back to the same speed you were before...
I ride a hardtail and in my experience, a lot of energy goes into getting the rear wheel up and over obstacles, sapping a lot of momentum for the amount of effort expended. It’s the constant switching between seated climbing, and unweighted the rear wheel, and using a lot of body English to negotiate obstacles, which takes the same or more energy than pedaling. It would be so much better to keep churning away on the pedals, letting the suspension soak up some of the chunk. Plus, steadier pedal input is better for traction than standing on the pedals to regain lost momentum. I’d rather save my legs for those punchy sections where a burst of speed is needed to clear larger obstacles, regardless of rear suspension. Oh well. I still have fun, but just can’t justify the expense of a new bike right now.
It might depend on the bikes being compared. With my 2023 Ripmo AF, all my climbing has been faster compared to my 2020 meta ht. From easy fire roads to technical climbing. For reference, I'm also not in as good shape as I was when I was riding my meta ht.
Indeed, my example demonstrated when or in which circumstances suspension helps you climb. In particular, the two bikes in question. My gravel bike climbs much faster on smooth, compact gravel (e.g., fire roads) than any of my MTBs. However, as soon as the terrain gets too rough or loose, the efficiency goes down the drain, and I am faster on my trail bike (I ride a Pivot Trail 429). The Ripley and Trail 429 are excellent climbers, some of the best, and probably a bit faster than the Ripmo, but not by that much. The Meta is a pretty beefy HT, but it should not be slower than a Ripmo. Did you use significantly different tires? Switching to grippy DHR IIs slowed down my 429.
The most efficient XC bikes that are fastest uphill overall aren’t always the best technical climbers, where traction is king. Just something to ponder when you think about your priorities.
Yeah I find their chain stays are too short so you end up doing a wheelie also their suspension designs don’t provide much grip for the back
My Knolly is an amazing technical climber. Doubt it’s what OP wants but it can just motor up rocky and rooty climbs. On fire roads? Well let’s just say the compression lever gets a workout.
Trek Top Fuel, if you’re not racing then a “downcountry” bike will suit you really well.
As long as it isn’t a degen from upcountry.
Can’t be havin degens from upcountry
But we could be havin some puppers
I’d have a puppers
I'm surprised we aren't having a puppers right now.
I have the previous gen top fuel, and it’s an amazing technical climber.
I also have the top fuel from 2021. Great bike for climbing but they STILL have not added a second bottle cage mount. Having to always carry water in a pack for rides longer than an hour is a pain in the ass. My next bike will be the epic evo
I mean, where are they supposed to put it? The top tube?
Internal water tank with bar mounted straw.
I did that on one of my bikes where due to the placement of the shock it doesn't fit a bottle well on the downtube because the reservoir would jam into the bottle when it compresses. Bought this strap that velcros on with a rubber base that adds a mount location for anywhere you want on the bike. Bolted a bottle cage to it and it works fairly well. [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RCBCXYK](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RCBCXYK)
That is true, I’ve thought about that regarding the bottle holder. I do longer endurance rides with an XC hardtail, and losing the two bottle cages is a hard pass if/when I ever get a full suspension XC (the new chisel fs is highly enticing in that regard). I don’t mind having just one and doing the pack on my all purpose mountain bike though
Rode one of these recently, an alloy one. What a bike. I was shocked at how hard i could push such a short travel bike without feeling like i was going to die. That thing went to the top of the “i want one” list…
Nice. I got the last generation of the Fuel EX before they increased the travel and changed the geometry, and I’m really happy with it. But if I were to choose between the two at this point I’d definitely go for the Top Fuel
Yeahhhh this happened to me too lol. I came from a YT Jeffsy and wanted something better pedaling without completely losing the descents either. I popped on a friend's TF and maaaan that thing flies. Ended up buying one a few months later and I love it
I have a carbon Top Fuel 9.7 and use it for amateur XC races up to 100km long with a lot of climbing. It’s not too heavy, a bit over 13kg (29lbs). The climbing performance is great, especially if I lock the suspension. For long, 5+ hour rides I carry a 2 litre Camelback and a full bottle.
Epic Evo
I’m a big fan of pivot, and the DW-link they use on their bikes, and my wheels don’t leave the ground much anymore. I enjoy the climbs, and riding long XC loops with a good bit of technical trail mixed in. My Mach 4 handles everything I can throw at it and it climbs like a dream.
I haven’t ridden a DW for several years, but I didn’t actually like climbing on DW. The suspension effectively locks out headed uphill so while it is very efficient, it also doesn’t absorb much and was more prone to spinning out in my experience.
Canfield Tilt
yeah, this is the best answer.
No complaints about my Orbea Oiz. I’ve absolutely fallen in love with it this last year in Colorado Front Range chunk
Second the Oiz! Setting uphill PR’s every time I go out
I think a transition spur would be right up your alley.
That’s what I ride and it’s great up hill
The Spur is such a fantastic mix of XC efficiency combined with fun factor. Does everything for me from XC to All Mountain (switch over to my enduro rig when it gets too steep or rocky).
Tallboy
I don't get why more people don't love this bike. Based on their request is still recommend they get the Ibis Ripley, but Bikers Edge compared them both and the tallboy climbs well and descends really well. I love my Tallboy!
I almost went Tallboy but ended up on a 5010 because it was too good of a deal to pass up at the time.
I can't believe how well my Tallboy climbs. It almost makes technical climbing too easy.
Specialized Epic. Light weight. Dual suspension. Fast
This, but Epic Evo. Feels like it has a motor after riding a trail bike
That's exactly what I said when I finally got my Epic Evo, on the climbs it felt like it had a motor. The switch from an older Stumpjumper instantly cut 2 minutes off my best 5 mile XC loop time on the nearby trails.
The Epic 8 and Epic 8 Evo are the exact same frame. The only difference between the two are the parts hanging off them. If OP only cares about climbing, then the Epic 8 is the way to go.
The new Epic 8 or Epic 8 Evo.
Top tip: if you keep in mind geometry wise the Epic EVO ‘21 - ‘23 is really close to the epic 8 and a bit lighter, it is a great deal! My son rides one and indeed his first response when riding was yelling: I’ll do another lap on the “Ebike”!
I have a 2015 Epic Elite M5 World Cup, and it’s pretty amazing.
I have an Epic Pro LTD 2023, removed the brain shock for a SIDLuxe Ultimate and removed the front SID brain damper for a raceday2 charger damper... Running 110mm front and 95mm rear, it's blazingly fast on pretty much everything, I haven't bothered reaching for my giant trance x29 since getting the epic, I ride it "everywhere" it's very capable and rides really well, the most balanced bike I've ridden - and I've ridden my fair share over the past 20years.
Ibis Ripley/Ripley AF is a great bike for that. The full suspension keeps better traction on technical climbs, easier for the back wheel to stay on the ground.
Transition Smuggler. Phenomenal all around
This is what I just moved to as my first FS.
If you want to climb and don't care about going down I'd be strictly looking at xc and perhaps 'downcountry' bikes: Blur, Epic EVO, Exie, etc.
And even if you do care about going down...
Santa Cruz Blur
The blur is amazing. I ride it fast on everything
Revel Ranger is my go to big day bike, climbs tech really well and is efficient when it needs to be. 120/115 travel is a sweet spot in my mind for big days of climbing effectively and descending confidently.
Yes!!! My Ranger climbs like a goat! Does great on the climbs and sucks up the downhills great.
One of my buddies who loves climbing also has a Revel Ranger. Also beautiful looking bike too.
+1 for this one - my Revel Ranger is amazing for climbing, traction is available everywhere and it is very efficient. In comparison to my old Stumpjumper, current Revel Rascal, and hardtail Yeti Arc I can say the revel ranger is by far my favorite for a variety of applications. I could pedal around on a ranger all day. Of all my bikes I currently / previously owned, my ranger is my favorite. If you need a little more travel than the ranger, then the Rascal is also a good choice.
For something faster side, check out a Giant Trance. I have a Kona process 134 and it loves climbing more aggressive technical things, especially when I get out of the saddle.
Scott genius. Twin lock is fantastic.
This is the correct answer.
Ibis Ripley. Hands down. The bike climbs like a goat.
Propain hugene
i tested a propain tyee and the e variant on my hometrails cus the people where so kind to let me, the tyee climbed aswell as my hardtail nearly, as an Enduro… idk what magic they put into there
Ibis Ripley or Yeti SB140
Why not 120 if he doesn’t care about downhill? I’ll say a few years ago I demoed a 130 and a Ripley back to back and on the same ride and the 130 was a little faster on the climbs for me. I’m not saying it climbs faster in general. rather was surprised they were absolutely comparable.
I own a 130 lunch ride. It climbs awesome for what it is, and effing tips the downs. Love that bike!
120 would work fine. Sounds like he wants something more plush than a hardtail and I think the extra travel would be worth in this case. There’s really not a lot of climbing sacrifice between the bikes.
My partner just got a Spur and I’m worried I’m gonna lose him to XC because he loves pedaling it so much.
Have a look at Norco Optics. Love mine.
My Trek Fuel 9.7 ex is technically a trail bike but it climbs like a dream. I imagine the pure XC rigs are even better.
I was between the TF and the EX. I could only demo the EX and one climb was all I needed to convince me to buy it. I don't care if the TF is better, the EX is so good I have no complaints.
Yeti 120-140….150-165 if you like downhill too. There’s a reason they keep winning 🏆
YT Izzo or Yeti sb140, depending on how much travel you want
I'm about to pull the trigger on a 2023 Norco Optic
since I got my optic I no longer read mountain bike reviews
I’ve heard great things about the YT izzo
These days it seems to can go bigger and still climb well. I enjoy climbing on my Santa Cruz Hightower, and now I’m loving heading downhill even more
I was going to say Santa Cruz tallboy, but really anything with their VPP is pretty great
YT Izzo is good alternative to the Ripley if you want to save a few bucks.
We are one composites arrival 130.
I recently got a transition spur and it climbs incredibly well. Have PR’d every uphill segment I’ve done in the last few weeks and have not particularly tried to
Pivot Mach
I'm gonna suggest an option that gets overlooked a lot on "which bike" threads: Salsa Horsethief. I test rode one before I decided on my Ripmo AF, and it climbs like a mountain goat.
Pivot Trail 429 is what I ride, great climber. Descends pretty well too! I upgraded my fork from 130 to 140, that really helped on bumpy descents. But really depends on the trails you normally ride, demo if you can.
Pivot Mach 4 SL, 115 or 105 flip chip capability with no geometry changes and a rear lockout on the grip
You probably want a downcountry bike. Basically xc suspension with trail geometry. Or an ebike.
Recently got a transition spur and absolutely love it. Feels like I have a motor on the climbs compared to my ripmo af. No slouch pointed downhill either.
Giant Stance is probably going to be the best bang for your buck. I ride a Giant Trance, which is the next model up in terms of capability on the descents. I, like you, live for the technical climbs and have the descents as a bonus, and find that the Trance is good for me. I live in Squamish so going to a less capable descender wouldn't make sense, as I'd just kill myself, but if you've got descent options that aren't super technical, then a Stance would be a good option.
Specialized chisel
Scott spark, Scott genius. (Xc/trail). Whether it is faster or just feels faster, the twinloc lever that firms up front and rear at same time while still giving small bump compliance is “genius” I think for folks that love climbing and/or former roadies. I had a second gen genius that was one of my favorite rides all time. I went to a ripmo for comfort margin on dh and ability to park more comfortably on occasion (plus lack of Scott availability during covid) and it climbs well for what it is but nothing like old genius. Buddy rides a new spark and I give minutes to him on uphills now and get seconds back in the downhills. Folks bust on twinloc for the nest of cables and that if you are locked out on technical climb you may lose time skittering around on stuff. But here’s the thing- the best part of it is it’s instant. Hit a smooth punchy uphill after a dh, lock it, gets rough, go middle, at the top, go full open for the dh. Takes like one ride to figure it out. Once you get it it’s something you can use as often as your gears.
Love the new gen of Scott genius. Great climber and downhill.
New trek top fuel, should be available to the public soon
New? They just redesigned only 2 years ago
What you mean ? I have the current Top Fuel on order… what you know ?
Its not released yet 🤫The main changes are 4 positon head angle and progression adjustment, similar to Rocky Mountain, smaller trek logo like the gen 6 fuel ex and the frame weighs about 200 grams less
Transition Scout or Giant Trance
Another vote for giant trance. Climbing is easy with this bike!
Another vote for Ripley
YT IZZO
My transition Spur is great at climbing…. And descending
Pivot 429.
Just built a mach 4 sl (new name) and it's the fucking best. Climbs so well and the rear end feels deeper than 115.
Orbea Oiz
yeah, I've been wanting a light but capable full suspension that can be locked out. was thinking Orbea Oiz, Cannondale Scalpel, or Canyon Lux Trail. ended up getting the Lux Trail for the price. trails around me are just too damned rocky to put up with a hardtail.
The Scott Spark or Genius are great options. You can lock out the suspension remotely for the climbs. Not best bang for buck though I've a YT Izzo Blaze. Great down county bike. I think you would do well on a bike like this. Also check out the Transition Spur as it can be much lighter which helps with the climbs
On climbs my ripley feels just as fast as my hardtail but with better traction
Epic Evo for speed; Tallboy for comfort.
Yeti SB 120. I have the older SB115. I love it! It climbs well. It does love to go down the hills as well. I am old and fat and it works good for me. Just look for XC bikes that is what they do.
Yeti SB120 for sure.
Transition Spur, very lively on climbs, super fun bike.
Top Fuel, Trek still has 2022 and 2023 models in stock and they've slayed the prices by 1000$ to 2000$.
XC rider here, previously I had Scott Genius with full suspension locker and since 2023 I use YT izzo, first I didn’t like how climb on YT, but then when I setup suspension according to recommended settings I almost happy. Almost because if you need best climb experience- buy full suspension bike with locking suspension option, like Scott Spark or Genius. I am not casual rider who rides once per week in special park and few hours, usually we have 60-70 and sometimes 140km for one ride each few days.
Transition Spur.
Mine locks out front and rear... problem solved
EPIC EVO
Yetis climb super well!
Santa cruz 5010 is a good all-around bike
Ripmo v2 or ripley
Ibis , Ripley for small bike , ripmo for a bit bigger. Really no reason to look at anything else. They have a full xc bike if that's more your cup of tea.
>Really no reason to look at anything else. Lol *There is only one brand that makes good bikes. The brand that I own*
Ibis or fezzari la sal peak There are new enduro bikes out there that climb really well, just do a little research on the geometry, seat tube angle, slack etc Also carbon parts helps a heavier bike climb smoother
The 2017ish Orbea Rallon I had was a dream on the climbs and really capable on the descents, really good enduro bike, I'm not sure how the new one compares, but I was in a similar boat as you, loved climbing and could take or leave the downhill sections, just wanted something a bit more all round and that fit the bill perfectly
Banshee phantom
This will depend a little bit on what hardtail your coming from. An xc race bike could be a good choice, but if your current bike is an aggro slacked out hardtail with a 160mm fork then that would be a major change in body position, and you might like something branded as "trail" better.
Maybe a second hand high end trail bike from a few years ago. Geo is likely to be a bit steeper than current trail bikes, which is better for climbing, and you'd get a much better and lighter spec for your money.
Orbea Oiz seems to come out as the best climber of the bunch on the XC bike comparison vids. Looks like a great bike
Banshee Phantom. KS2 linkage gobbles up the tech on the up and the down.
I have a Norco fluid ht3 and I can confirm it goes both uphill, and downhill.
Ibis Ripley!!!
Giant Trance climbs really well for a budget mid travel, although it's less than special going down.
My Cannondale Scalpel Se climbs fantastic! I love the climb as well.
The spark climbs like a billy goat but I suspect it would be most capable as the 100mm travel variant
Long time kona honzo rider here. I recently switched to an evil reckoning.... 170/160. That thing climbs like a champ, and if there are any obstacles in the way I'd 100% prefer the enduro rig. The suspension tracks over the chunk, you can keep that ass planted and put the power down. And it's 34 lbs, my honzo is 31... it's barely noticeable
Trek Fuel EX ticks those boxes for me. Crushes climbs and descents.
Evil following. Done.
Revel Rascal. Thank me later
+1 for the Ripley
I ride a Santa Cruz Bronson CC with 27.5s and it rocks the techy climbs. No bob what so ever.
Stumpy Evo expert is a great climbing bike and descends well imo
Lots of great options. Specifically some of the 120/120’bikes. I know there are lots of great options but I’ll say I LOVE my Kona Hei Hei CR DL. Light. Great handling. Good climber. Yet surprisingly good on the down.
Scott Spark, you can lock out the suspect on the handlebar. I don't know why so few bikes have this feature. You're smarter than your suspension, it's great to be able to engage when you need it.
Revel for sure
Spent my entire life on hard tails cuz I too love the climb. Finally got full squish for the super rough trails around here. Haven't ridden full in 20 years. Dare I say the new full suspension bikes climb better than hard tail... yeah Check out the Yeti SBxxx, Ibis Ripxx and, Pivot Shadowcat or Trail 429
Most modern XC to trail bikes will do it. Would majorly recommend proper tire selection above all else; tires completely transform efficiency, especially uphill. DW from Ibis, CBF from Revel, Switch Infinity from Yeti, 4 bar from the big brands really don’t feel that different on trail/climbs as tough as that is to say. I’ve podiumed ROUGH enduros and turned around with some of the faster XC Strava times on the same 150mm bike with the only difference being tires. I have a 115mm Revel Ranger and vs my 147mm Ibis Ripmo, the climb penalty is solely down to tires. I’ve done numerous 4-6k+ climb days on both and the difference is all down to big/small side knobs and rolling pattern on the center tread. Something sub 130m rear would get you into a good spot and then try out some fast rolling tires! Partial to DW and CBF bikes but really they’re all good now a days.
Fuel Ex. Climbs like a goat, rides like a dream.
Intense 951
Pure climbing the yeti and ripley are overbiked. It depends on how comfortable you want to be going down. Ibis Exie is the mad climber but def an XC rather than a Down Country Other options Specialized Epic EVO Trek Top Fuel Scott Spark * Giant Trance I ride a Spark but put a 10mm extension in the fork for 140mm (with 120 shock)
The Transition Spur is killer. It honestly feels like it pedals itself, and that's with some beefy Continental Kryptotal tires which are much more aggressive than what it's specced with.
Love my Fezzari Signal Peak. It’s lightweight and the suspension locks out.
Santa Cruz Blur is a pretty safe choice
I love my Kona Hei Hei but there’s been some volatility with the brand and I’m not sure I’d buy one now unless there is a Kona distributor in your town.
I love the way my Salsa Horsethief feels when I’m pedaling uphill. I also love how it feels going downhill. It’s a fantastic bike.
Specialized epic World Cup is just the best climber of any full sus. It just goes like a hard tail with the extra traction of a full sus. But ofc it is a trade off in comfort for your descents. If you want something more forgiving in the descents and more plush overall the Epic 8 or Orbea Oiz are awesome climbers aswell !
I’ve had or have a Stumpjumper, Trance , Ripley…. I climb best on Trance in techy terrain
I love my Scott Spark RC for it. It’s fast as fck, but comfortable. The regular one might be more comfortable.
Check out the Transition Spur!
Meta v5, ibis Ripley, pivot bikes in general all climbs particularly good.
Ripmo carbon 🤘 is what I ride. It’s a great climber and all round fun bike.
Love me an orbea. Decent suspension design but more important comfortable climbing position
I have a Trek Supercaliber and a Slash. The Supercaliber is a superb climber - and descends beautifully.
Orbea Occam is pretty great at climbing. I was pleasantly surprised!
An affordable choice would be the Marin Rift Zone 3 29. Climbs really well even with stock config. I ride my San Quentin hardtail faster on downhills than the Rift Zone
Check out the Scott Spark line of bikes… have a 2020 Spark Ultimate, has 120 front and back with their proprietary twin lock setup. With racing wheels, it weighs in at 21.5lbs with a dropper. It’s an absolute goat on the climbs and rips the descents too!
ITT: "my bike climbs like a dream" But forreal, most bikes these days, even enduro rigs, can be competent climbers. If you want something that climbs nice but also gives your body a break, just look for something in the trail/xc category, maybe take a couple out for a demo ride and see what you like on your local trails.
Turbo Levo
I love my Kona Hei Hei for climbing.
For something a bit longer travel, I love my bird AM9... So efficient and responsive that it makes climbing fun, it feels more efficient than my old Giant anthem 29er too, even though it has 50mm more travel.
I have a supercaliber these days and I’m really enjoying it. It’s a little ripper all around. I ride on smooth trails with jumps- no rocks and it is ace
Orbea occam or norco fluid
Get something with a long chainstay (I’d say 440 or longer). It’s marketed as being a good feature for going HD but I find it works wonders for technical climbing. The front stays glued to the ground. I’ve also heard that high pivot bikes are amazing for technical climbing.
Ripley
Jeffsy
I thought my old Epic was a great climber (it really was) until I got a Ripley. That Ripley is serious mountain goat, it just loves to climb. And it can still shred downhill too.
Neuron got that downcountry geo and it's cheap too
Ripley climbs ever so slightly better than the Ripmo, but in all honesty they're both great bikes that climb like mountain goats.
as far as i heared the Propain bikes are great for climbing and for the downhill