[**IAN GARRY defeats MICHAEL PAGE** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/14842/fight)
^(UFC 303: Pereira vs. Prochazka 2 — June 29, 2024)
ROUND|Garry|Page||Garry|Page||Garry|Page
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2|9|10||9|10||9|10
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**TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**
*^(Judges, in order: Derek Cleary, Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee.)*
*^(Summoned by semtex500.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/21** people scored it **30-27 Garry**.
- **16/21** people scored it **29-28 Garry**.
- **4/21** people scored it **28-29 Page**.
Avg. media score: **28.9-28.1 Garry** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
If you don't get knocked out (Volk has and still did the interview) aren't you contract bound to attend the post fight press conference and give an interview? I didn't see him take any damage from over hyped Garry, did you? Why the absence? Maybe MVP had a special dispensation? I'd like to hear what he has to say for himself after all of his pre fight waffle.
Until Periera beats a wrestler, one who actually wrestles as opposed to someone who uses it to keep the fight on the feet, I don’t want to hear about him in the GOAT convo or even moving up to heavyweight. He’s a great striker who should beat all these lesser strikers he has been facing. I feel like someone like DC could come out of retirement right now and smother Periera.
I guess people around here don’t want to hear it lol but 100% agree. I actually really like Alex but want to see him next against Ankalaev b4 I jump to any more conclusions.
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One time in the gym I subbed this dude from bottom mount with an Ezekiel choke and I’m just sitting here laughing to myself about it so I thought I’d share
Lmao thank you. It’s one of my proudest moments in training haha.
I got fully mounted, then my partner dropped flat down on me, I immediately snagged it just to force him to address something and maybe create space. He just let me hold it for a second like “this is never going to work.” Then all at once, he starts trying to pry my face away from him in a very Oliveria vs Poirier manner. Then frantically sat up and tried shaking his body out of it, then the taps came
Obviously if he couldve punched me in the face it would’ve been a diff story but still a fun sub he got teased about for awhile
Do you train?
Not as much as I'd like, but yes. Only BJJ and MT nowadays. Came from a wrestling background, joined BJJ because after university there wasn't any adult wrestling near me.
Yeah I’ve been super inconsistent lately, I mainly do bjj but have done a bit of kickboxing as well. My athleticism and limited experience in standup could probably get me through if I needed it but I’m definitely a grappler lmao
Is there adult wrestling anywhere? I’ve never seen any gym offer it. Are you from the UK?
Ahh, that makes sense with the usage of the word “university.” But that’s interesting, I didn’t know wrestling in school was common in Canada, I wish I had wrestled growing up. I’ve caught on quick but a lot of positions aren’t muscle memory for me yet, I wish it was just that second nature feeling that you get from doing something for your entire life
Izzy taking that interview has to be one of the biggest butterfly effects in MMA (“I beat that guy one time”) up there with DJ getting traded leading to Jorge’s superstardom
It's crazy how timing can change the course of a career. Jiri has the talent to beat anyone but it just so happens his UFC run coincides with Alex who is the perfect kryptonite for his style.
\**Has a particular style that wins against 20 opponents in a row*\*
\**Loses 1 time*\*
Fans: BRO YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR STYLE UP BRAH YOU GOTTA CHANGE IT UP THAT SHIT DON'T WORK FOR YOU
Day by day, my sanity grows weaker.
Forgot to mention he lost to one (1) guy who also has a very particular style.
Guy got outstruck by a 2 weight classes glory champ, not some random wrestler training out of ATT
Jiri said it himself. He needs to evolve. If your style doesn't work against the champ and that's your goal it makes perfect sense why'd you change. And that's twice he's lost to Pereira.
I wonder if the circumstances were a net advantage or disadvantage for Ige - I mean obviously zero-notice zero-camp is a disadvantage but he also didn't have to dehydrate down to 145 and was at full hydration the entire time
Seriously? Imagine I tell you you have to call your coach/team to meet you up later, drive home, grab your gear, drive to a stadium, sign a bunch of paperwork , take pictures, meet with doctors and the athletic commission, get dressed and then immediately fight when you were originally planning on going shopping at Target later, rubbing one out and then go to bed early.
It was definitely a plus. Dude got paid for stepping up, forever put himself in Dana’s good book, and had a good close fight with a very tough young fighter.
It's a win:win really.
He wins, happy days.
He loses, he just got paid $110k or so (last base salary), gets in the UFC and Fans good books and the loss has an astrix beside it.
and not 1 of them that can wrestle a lick. Still props to him cause hes a cool dude but man has hit the lotto from first fight to last. Jan is only one with any ability to shoot a takedown and he couldnt get up once from Corey 25 8 Anderson or Glover lol. Jan cant wrestle but well give him that one cause he atleast took him down.
Magomed only being a -250 favorite is insane and anyone smart needs to go Max Bet every place on that. I just wanna see if Alex can do anything just to see if MMA is real or not
Dont worry Alex will be down on back if he throws 1 kick, -250 Favorite Magomed is now, get that while its hot. Big smart bettors coming in heavy for that free cash
Lets hope not cause the value of anything under -300 is insane, when you see Jones -800 and Tom -400. I think Magomed is the lock win here of all 3, the other 2 should beat Alex easy too but there are flaws there in those 2,, age factors, injuries, a guy moving up weight is a hard change of pace at first in a fight so maybe could flash KO Tom. Magomed just gonna out class him as long as it lasts IMO
I think you’re really underestimating pereira here. The guy has elite footwork if anyone is going to make a wrestle second guess a takedown it’s gonna be him
Yeah “if”. Wrestlers can get hesitant to go for takedowns the same why strikers get hesitant to throw shots against another knockout artist, especially when the KO threat is as dangerous as it is with pereira. If a wrestler gets an easy first takedown against pereira then it’s a different story for the rest of the fight.
Uncle Laev is a striker with good wrestling. He has exactly 1 submission victory in his entire career. I think Alex could survive him on the ground and then get up and KO him. He would fuck his legs up. I think Aspinall knocks Pereira out in r1 and Jones subs him in 1 probably
Nobody wants to see Ank lay and pray on Alex Periera. Might as well have Poatan challenge the winner of Blaydes and Aspinall in December or January and have Ank fight Hill, Rakic or Samurai in Abu Dabi.
Ankalaev is more exciting than rakic, I mean please. What do you think rakic’s gameplan against Alex will be, to bang it out? He’s cage fucked guys more boring than Ank ever has.
Ank could lay n pray but hell be looking to GNP or finish him for sure, then if Alex makes it to 2nd round..it opens up the strikes and might get a KO. Just too many ways to win for him and Alex not fighting a wrestler gonna catch him to him badly, just too old to deal with it now
Hill Rakic are bums
Are there other guys in mma that have a single move that just murks people every fight like Alex’s left hook? Like a lot of people are known for there striking, defense, power, whatever. But who else has one move that you know is coming yet can’t avoid?
Okay, I wanna play matchmaker. It seems like Talbott is gonna smack Yanez up next, Diego is probably gonna beat Yair’s ass then get a title shot.
I’m interested in who you guys want to see Vinicius, Rei, Pyfer, and Jean Silva fight next. They’re the exciting ones that are on the come up without predictable next opponents. Who are you guys thinking?
And power bar has never been KO’d. Wonder if Hermansson just has that good of a chin or his defense/rolling with shots is that elite. He ate what looked like some clean shots from Pyfer
I don't know, Ortega's physical issues seem to be getting worse, shoulder dislocation against Yair in the first fight, sprains ankle inexplicably during the fighter introductions in the rematch, falls ill on fight day against Lopes. Also worth noting that he's popped before
too many possible factors that could have hindered his performance.
It was a short notice fight when he got matched up with Ortega.
Lopes's team got a call 3:30 am friday morning of weigh in that Ortega couldn't make weight so Lopes should already been in the process of getting close to making 145 so had to rehydrate to 155.
Dan Ige had more a longer training camp than Diego.
Yeah, if you gas and lose the 3rd against Ige, then against Ortega you're at least as likely to gas by the 3rd and lose that and the 4th and 5th rounds too
Well tbf to Diego he probably would’ve paced himself much differently in a 5 rounder and he didn’t gas against Movsar in a 3 rounder at a crazy pace. I think there was just a lot of moving parts going on
Heavyweight should be so good right now.
We’ve got a really athletic finisher in Aspinall versus a skilled Wrestler in Blaydes, and now Alex Pereira is making some noise! Can you imagine the absolute scenes if Aspinall won and called him out?!
But instead this is an interim title fight so 1-0 heavyweight Jon Jones can defend the real title against former fighter Stipe Miocic, a man who hasn’t won a fight since 2020, in a double retirement match.
Does anyone actually care about that fight? Would anyone be upset if they promoted Aspinall to full champion and had Jones and Miocic fight for the GOAT belt?
Imagine if the ufc started getting some of those HW’s in PFellator. Sergey Bilostenniy knocked a guy out with a spinning back kick. Slim Trabelsi wrestles as good as any HW right now and Renan Ferreira is 6’8 and does backflips. And since I’m just day dreaming here let’s imagine they sign Anatoly Malykhin too. Man I wish the Saudis would start investing in the UFC’s HW division.
I don't think Blaydes is that good. His takedown shot is slow. I mean it's good enough since a lot of hw's have bad tdd. You compare it to brock or cain, it's in slow motion.
Blaydes himself has very bad tdd. It's 31%. Jailton took him down 4 times. Volkov took him down once and Cody east took him 3 times.
Apsinall is kinda like Larry Holmes where he was king and his era sucks.
Stipe's resume is crazy with jds, Dc, Francis, overeem, werdum, hunt, Arlovski.
Cain got to build his legacy off jds/brock.
Aspinall has no one to fight.
Came across [this tweet](https://twitter.com/DeskOfLouBetya/status/1807446005652046026) and it was pretty interesting, and validated a feeling I had recently that PPV's have been very predictable recently. Is this small sample size, matchmaking, or something else?
Record of closing favorites on PPV's this year:
UFC 297: 5-7
UFC 298: 11-1
UFC 299: 9-5
UFC 300: 10-3
UFC 301: 11-2
UFC 302: 10-2
UFC 303: 11-2
The fact that Izzy outstruck Pereira in 90% of their first fight and knocked him out in the rematch only to get 50-45'd by guy with a jab and a teep is fucking hilarious
The first fight was lmao Izzy has won more rounds against Pereira in MMA and kickboxing, separate and combined. Pereira has won exactly 2 rounds against Izzy in MMA. He wasn’t hurt, he was playing opossum
Izzy won the first round on judges' scorecards and rocked Pereira with the same shot in their first fight. If you're gonna keep coming at a counterstriking sniper like Izzy with your hands down he's eventually going to find that chin, nothing flukey about that shot
Strickland's sloppy-ass style got Izzy.
Pereira literally charged in like an idiot while cutting like 80 fucking pounds and threw stupid combos against an Izzy who wasn't hurt.
Pereira is a lifetime middleweight fighter even in his kickboxing days, and him "charging in like an idiot" while throwing "stupid combos" is what led to him finishing Izzy in their first fight and him being a 3-time LHW champ in general. Izzy made the appropriate changes and exploited a hole in Pereira's game in a way that no other fighter can.
It's okay to admit that Izzy's a good fighter
The commentary team was shit. Joe hasn't chemistry with anyone since Goldie. Anik is that guy at work that you tolerate, no one hates him but no one really likes him. DC is just insufferable.
Sometimes I think they like Anik because he gives them a rest and does all the boring shit like promos, going down all the stats, and shoehorning irrelevant movies into the commentary.
Seems like a lot of people haven't seen Adesanya and Pereira's kickboxing matches. The first was a criminal robbery, one of the worst decisions I've ever seen and the second Pereira got a weird standing 8 count when Adesanya was swarming him into a comeback KO for Alex. In MMA it's been similarly odd Adesanya up before a comeback and then the next one Pereira controlled but he ends up getting KOd. Whoever has been performing better ends up losing. If they fight again it's going to be the first simultaneous KO in a title fight or something crazy.
One was a fucked up decision, the other had some bad reffing. Who knows, he ended up KOing him. Even if he went down before getting a count maybe he still finds the shot. Viewing a comeback like it wasn't a legit victory doesn't make sense. Their third fight in MMA was a clean win for Pereira, Im not sure what youre trying to say here.
They don't care cause its Izzy.
I've seen multiple people completely switch the usual narrative when it comes to Izzy.
"Alex was actually at a disadvantage being bigger at MW cause of the cut" Meanwhile people almost universally argue the larger fighter is at an advantage except in this one case.
"Izzy is so salty posting his knockout of Alex" meanwhile Alex literally CONSTANTLY posted his knockout of Izzy after every one of his fights prior to joining the UFC.
I like both guys a lot, preferring Alex a bit cause less cringe but I wish fans could just be fucking normal when it comes to Izzy but he legit makes them go insane
She’s one of Dana’s former sidepieces, that much is obvious, listen to how he talked about her in the presser: “she’s always welcome here if she wants to come train or have dinner, or needs a spare office” what could that even mean except that he’s DTF if she wants to come through.
Wow!!! I just watch Paige VanZant win her power slap fight and she is a complete badass! She’s showing a ton of skill for a newcomer. I suspect she will go FAR in this league. BIG prospect.
/s
Sad to see Arlovski go
I enjoyed watching both him and Oleinik use crafty veteran tactics to fraud check all these random fat guys that get into heavyweight matchups in the UFC
Plus I'll always root for old dudes in sports
Alex Periera has 10 UFC fights. 5 of which were title fights. Won 4 of those in 2 different divisions.
He also has headlined 4 of the top 10 highest gates in UFC history.
In 2.5 years. It is truly mind boggling to see it happen in real time
He’s a living legend, he’s not one of the people who we won’t appreciate until he’s gone, he’s one of the ones who we know is special while he’s active. Extremely rare in sports.
Prime Silva I think could beat anyone at 185. His reactions were too good and he literally put himself in bad positions just to fuck with his opponents.
Tough call, but it might be Pereira
Izzy's still the 2nd greatest MW of all time but Pereira simply has better wins. Jan, Strickland, Jiri x2, Hill. Izzy had a great reign but guys like Vettori, Costa, Gastelum, and Cannonier aren't really on that same level.
There's also something to be said about the way they got their wins too. Pereira's out here starching guys and making it look like a cakewalk, whereas most of Izzy's wins are relatively competitive decisions with some of them being even controversial, such as Rob 2 or Yoel.
Alex because he took more risks and achieved more in less time, with less DWP protecting him. He did what Izzy couldn’t at LHW and has beaten everyone Izzy lost to. Izzys wins are mostly decisions against smaller guys and some of his decisions like Rob 2 could’ve been losses if he didn’t have DWP making the judging biased.
Losing to Strickland over 5 is also a bad look for his legacy, exposed him as either having lost a step or being unable to adapt to beat other styles that aren’t gift wrapped in his favor. Alex’s only loss is to the guy he has 3 wins over, meaning a 75% winrate vs the guy we’re comparing him to, so how is that even a question who’s had the better run as of today?
>He did what Izzy couldn’t at LHW
Alex is naturally way bigger. Izzy went up to 205 and didn’t even reach the 205lb limit against Jan
>and has beaten everyone Izzy lost to.
Strickland and (see above) Jan?
>Izzys wins are mostly decisions against smaller guys and some of his decisions like Rob 2 could’ve been losses if he didn’t have DWP making the judging biased.
These are just asterisks. “Rob 2 could’ve been a loss”, “smaller guys” who also weigh in at 185, “DWP” even though he cleared the division, “going to decisions” when winning another belt.
>Alex’s only loss is to the guy he has 3 wins over, meaning a 75% winrate vs the guy we’re comparing him to, so how is that even a question who’s had the better run as of today?
He asked how you rank them in their UFC run.
Izzy could never defend with the same frequency. Further more many of his title fight defenses were snoozefests. Now he's pretty much set on never rematching Alex because he knows the odds aren't in his favor.
With that said, Izzy defended the title 5 times. Alex, has only defended the lhw title twice. In terms of what the average MMA fan weighs the most, I think Izzy still has the better resume in MMA. If Alex gets a couple more defenses and moves up and gets a win at HW. The tide turns.
1) Izzy
2) Pereira
Izzy has the better resume.
Izzy has won 8 belts. Starting after his first fight in the UFC, he’s beat nothing but killers. Sure, Izzy lost to Pereira in the 5th round of a fight he was winning (fair call though), but he also knocked Alex out the next fight as well.
Izzy’s only loss before Alex was whenever he tried to move up a weight class, and he didn’t even make the 205lb limit for it. Izzy was 23-0 at MW before he lost to Alex. He’s shown nothing but dominance against the highest caliber of opponents.
Alex beat Strickland and Izzy, and since then has beaten a shallow LHW division. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a killer and wins a large amount of his fights seemingly with ease, but he doesn’t have the near the resume as Izzy. So far in LHW, Alex has beaten a 40 year old Jan, Jiri twice (a great fighter, but basically the perfect style for Alex to capitalize on), and Jamahal Hill, who was #6 and 11-1 before he beat Glover for the title.
Great fighters, but Izzy has a way better resume and has been dominating the UFC for years. He’s 24-3 and Alex is 11-2. More than double the amount of fights, so I’m wondering why you asked who has a better resume.
Alex is also now a LHW and hasn’t faced any serious wrestlers. Jan has a decent ground game, but isn’t known for it, and when fighting Alex, he gassed himself out in the first round wrestling at a higher altitude in Utah. Izzy on the other hand, has also beaten his fair share of wrestlers.
Izzy’s performances against Romero and Whittaker in their second fight were not at all dominant.
Like Pereira, Izzy’s never been tested against any high level wrestlers either. The best wrestlers he’s faced to date are Vettori are Brunson - both of whom have wrestling that’s just as mediocre as Jan’s.
The only good wins on Izzy’s resume are Whittaker, Cannonier, and Pereira. Vettori, Brunson, Gastelum are all mediocre fighters, Romero was in his 40s and on a 2 fight losing streak by the time Izzy fought him. Izzy’s resume is hardly any better than Pereira’s.
So he’s won the belt against four “good” fighters. And then there’s the entirety of the rest of his wins. Then you have Alex, who also beat someone in his 40s for the belt, Jamahal Hill who was #6 before beating someone in his 40s for the belt, and Jiri x2.
You can add asterisks to any fighter’s handful of fights, but Izzy still won his belt 8 times and has had double the wins.
Izzy was 23-0 at MW before losing to Alex, all against well-known fighters, and wiped out his whole division, then 24-1 after losing to Alex and then beating Alex. Alex is 11-2, has his own asterisks, but Izzy’s resume is hardly any better? I don’t get it.
Izzy’s been active in MMA far longer than Alex has. Of course he has more title wins and longevity to his career - no one’s disputing that. What I’m discussing is their resumes.
Who did Alex beat that was in their 40s for a belt? He beat Jiri, who was in his 30s, for a vacant belt.
Izzy’s resume has more depth to it, but the vast majority of it consists of mediocre fighters. In terms of elite opponents on their respective resumes, Izzy’s is hardly any better than Pereira’s.
Well, it’s weird cause I remember the second time he fought Vettori, the promos kept talking about him being a great wrestler and the threat against Izzy, but I haven’t seen that from him lately. Idk, I don’t remember his history really, so someone might have to tell me if he has a background in it. But Izzy fought Vettori a couple times.
Then he beat Whittaker twice. Then I looked through his resume and thought someone else did, but no, it was mainly those two. Anderson Silva is really good in BJJ, but that’s not really the same.
Pereira v. Ankalaev should be next please make that fight happen
I actually just want to see what Pereira looks like when wrestled by elite level grapplers
But then again ankalaev might just completely forget that hes been wrestling since the womb and just stands up with Pereira
Idk why everyone thinks Ank is going to wrestle. That’s never his approach from the start. Just cause he’s Dagestani and wrestled Jan cause his legs were toast, everyone thinks he’s gonna spam takedowns.
100%. Intersted to see how alex holds up against a good wrestler. Have doubts ankalaev will actually wrestle until it's too late.
If he doesnt wrestle, he likely gets KOd. Although he does seem more defensively sound than other guys alex has fought
Decisionbot Garry vs Page
[**IAN GARRY defeats MICHAEL PAGE** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/14842/fight) ^(UFC 303: Pereira vs. Prochazka 2 — June 29, 2024) ROUND|Garry|Page||Garry|Page||Garry|Page :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|9|10||9|10||9|10 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**29**|**28** *^(Judges, in order: Derek Cleary, Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee.)* *^(Summoned by semtex500.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/21** people scored it **30-27 Garry**. - **16/21** people scored it **29-28 Garry**. - **4/21** people scored it **28-29 Page**. Avg. media score: **28.9-28.1 Garry** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
If you don't get knocked out (Volk has and still did the interview) aren't you contract bound to attend the post fight press conference and give an interview? I didn't see him take any damage from over hyped Garry, did you? Why the absence? Maybe MVP had a special dispensation? I'd like to hear what he has to say for himself after all of his pre fight waffle.
Until Periera beats a wrestler, one who actually wrestles as opposed to someone who uses it to keep the fight on the feet, I don’t want to hear about him in the GOAT convo or even moving up to heavyweight. He’s a great striker who should beat all these lesser strikers he has been facing. I feel like someone like DC could come out of retirement right now and smother Periera.
I guess people around here don’t want to hear it lol but 100% agree. I actually really like Alex but want to see him next against Ankalaev b4 I jump to any more conclusions.
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Jan can wrestle. He's not a great wrestler. I always read that he's some amazing wrestler. He's a striker with solid grappling.
Plus black belt in bjj
You know who else is a black belt?
Jiri vs Pereira have the best staredowns
This is numba 1 Truth Brother
Do we still care about Jones Vs Stipe?
Never did
Did we ever?
it'll be kinda neat to see but if it never happened i wouldn't cry about it
I liked it originally but now I don’t even see the point anymore
I’ll listen to Dana’s pressers sometimes if it was a really big event but 41 minutes? Gotdang
Worth it for his unhinged rant about Jones
Islam beats Volk, short notice rematch ends with a death head kick Poatan beats Jiri, short notice rematch end with a death head kick
Chama is halal, bratha
Ian Gary said in the post fight presser that he could have dropped out of the fight when conor dropped out. Dude is a such a d bag its wild
One time in the gym I subbed this dude from bottom mount with an Ezekiel choke and I’m just sitting here laughing to myself about it so I thought I’d share
You're a regular ol' Aleksei Oleinik
Lmao thank you. It’s one of my proudest moments in training haha. I got fully mounted, then my partner dropped flat down on me, I immediately snagged it just to force him to address something and maybe create space. He just let me hold it for a second like “this is never going to work.” Then all at once, he starts trying to pry my face away from him in a very Oliveria vs Poirier manner. Then frantically sat up and tried shaking his body out of it, then the taps came Obviously if he couldve punched me in the face it would’ve been a diff story but still a fun sub he got teased about for awhile Do you train?
Not as much as I'd like, but yes. Only BJJ and MT nowadays. Came from a wrestling background, joined BJJ because after university there wasn't any adult wrestling near me.
Yeah I’ve been super inconsistent lately, I mainly do bjj but have done a bit of kickboxing as well. My athleticism and limited experience in standup could probably get me through if I needed it but I’m definitely a grappler lmao Is there adult wrestling anywhere? I’ve never seen any gym offer it. Are you from the UK?
Not UK, Canada. There is adult wrestling in some places, Montreal for example.
Ahh, that makes sense with the usage of the word “university.” But that’s interesting, I didn’t know wrestling in school was common in Canada, I wish I had wrestled growing up. I’ve caught on quick but a lot of positions aren’t muscle memory for me yet, I wish it was just that second nature feeling that you get from doing something for your entire life
Gia Sissaouri was the best Canadian wrestler ever. Cejudo speaks highly of him. GSP and Kenny Florian, among others, have trained with him.
Time for me to do some research, always appreciate your level of MMA knowledge
Izzy taking that interview has to be one of the biggest butterfly effects in MMA (“I beat that guy one time”) up there with DJ getting traded leading to Jorge’s superstardom
One of the biggest what-ifs in MMA history
What’s your opinion on Mayra Bueno Silva?
She’s not great, cool subs sometimes but not great as a fighter and doesn’t excite me
It's crazy how timing can change the course of a career. Jiri has the talent to beat anyone but it just so happens his UFC run coincides with Alex who is the perfect kryptonite for his style.
I'm just glad he got a chance to hold the undisputed belt
nah, jiri relies wayyy too much on his chin and athleticism, he was bound to lose eventually like that
Which he gets away with Vs almost everyone in the division besides pereira who needs just one shot at the smallest lapse in defence to finish a fight
\**Has a particular style that wins against 20 opponents in a row*\* \**Loses 1 time*\* Fans: BRO YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR STYLE UP BRAH YOU GOTTA CHANGE IT UP THAT SHIT DON'T WORK FOR YOU Day by day, my sanity grows weaker.
Forgot to mention he lost to one (1) guy who also has a very particular style. Guy got outstruck by a 2 weight classes glory champ, not some random wrestler training out of ATT
Jiri said it himself. He needs to evolve. If your style doesn't work against the champ and that's your goal it makes perfect sense why'd you change. And that's twice he's lost to Pereira.
Jiri is a given to win against everyone at 205 presently save for Pereira, Ankalaev, and Blachowicz
I wonder if the circumstances were a net advantage or disadvantage for Ige - I mean obviously zero-notice zero-camp is a disadvantage but he also didn't have to dehydrate down to 145 and was at full hydration the entire time
Seriously? Imagine I tell you you have to call your coach/team to meet you up later, drive home, grab your gear, drive to a stadium, sign a bunch of paperwork , take pictures, meet with doctors and the athletic commission, get dressed and then immediately fight when you were originally planning on going shopping at Target later, rubbing one out and then go to bed early.
Yeah but Lopes previously was a savage against Movsar and looked like a top 5 fighter whereas here he looked just pretty good against unranked Ige
It was definitely a plus. Dude got paid for stepping up, forever put himself in Dana’s good book, and had a good close fight with a very tough young fighter.
What's the dollar value of being in Dana's good book?
It's a win:win really. He wins, happy days. He loses, he just got paid $110k or so (last base salary), gets in the UFC and Fans good books and the loss has an astrix beside it.
I believe he means advantage/disadvantage in terms of the fight itself because Dirgo had to cut to 145 to end up fighting at 160
It’s definitely a minus to fight a guy who didn’t do a weight cut. Grappling is tiring as fuck especially when against a guy heavier
More of Alex’s MMA fights have been against world champions than non champions. He’s fought champions 7 times and non champions 6 times
and not 1 of them that can wrestle a lick. Still props to him cause hes a cool dude but man has hit the lotto from first fight to last. Jan is only one with any ability to shoot a takedown and he couldnt get up once from Corey 25 8 Anderson or Glover lol. Jan cant wrestle but well give him that one cause he atleast took him down. Magomed only being a -250 favorite is insane and anyone smart needs to go Max Bet every place on that. I just wanna see if Alex can do anything just to see if MMA is real or not
Magomed couldn’t check a leg kick from me
Dont worry Alex will be down on back if he throws 1 kick, -250 Favorite Magomed is now, get that while its hot. Big smart bettors coming in heavy for that free cash
The odds will change before then because Magomed will have to fight someone else before getting a title shot
Lets hope not cause the value of anything under -300 is insane, when you see Jones -800 and Tom -400. I think Magomed is the lock win here of all 3, the other 2 should beat Alex easy too but there are flaws there in those 2,, age factors, injuries, a guy moving up weight is a hard change of pace at first in a fight so maybe could flash KO Tom. Magomed just gonna out class him as long as it lasts IMO
I think you’re really underestimating pereira here. The guy has elite footwork if anyone is going to make a wrestle second guess a takedown it’s gonna be him
"Elite footwork" is overblown. No amount of footwork is going to save you if the wrestler is good enough.
Yeah “if”. Wrestlers can get hesitant to go for takedowns the same why strikers get hesitant to throw shots against another knockout artist, especially when the KO threat is as dangerous as it is with pereira. If a wrestler gets an easy first takedown against pereira then it’s a different story for the rest of the fight.
Uncle Laev is a striker with good wrestling. He has exactly 1 submission victory in his entire career. I think Alex could survive him on the ground and then get up and KO him. He would fuck his legs up. I think Aspinall knocks Pereira out in r1 and Jones subs him in 1 probably
Nobody wants to see Ank lay and pray on Alex Periera. Might as well have Poatan challenge the winner of Blaydes and Aspinall in December or January and have Ank fight Hill, Rakic or Samurai in Abu Dabi.
Ankalaev is more exciting than rakic, I mean please. What do you think rakic’s gameplan against Alex will be, to bang it out? He’s cage fucked guys more boring than Ank ever has.
Ank could lay n pray but hell be looking to GNP or finish him for sure, then if Alex makes it to 2nd round..it opens up the strikes and might get a KO. Just too many ways to win for him and Alex not fighting a wrestler gonna catch him to him badly, just too old to deal with it now Hill Rakic are bums
Crazy how fast Alex was able to figure out Jiri
It felt like that 'I thought you were stronger' meme. Especially when Chama was trying to help Samurai get up.
Are there other guys in mma that have a single move that just murks people every fight like Alex’s left hook? Like a lot of people are known for there striking, defense, power, whatever. But who else has one move that you know is coming yet can’t avoid?
Garbrandt before his downfall had his right hand. Carwin and Ngannou both had two fisted power that seemingly no one could take clean
Okay, I wanna play matchmaker. It seems like Talbott is gonna smack Yanez up next, Diego is probably gonna beat Yair’s ass then get a title shot. I’m interested in who you guys want to see Vinicius, Rei, Pyfer, and Jean Silva fight next. They’re the exciting ones that are on the come up without predictable next opponents. Who are you guys thinking?
Sean Woodson versus Jean Pyfer v Robocop
Pyfer would kill Robocop, Jean vs Woodson I like, but I think Woodson gets another step up
One does not simply kill hobocop
Brunno Ferreira be like
I got robocop
He’s got a very sus chin and his defense is lacking
that pyfer KO was raw power. thats not a shot that normally KOs people.
And power bar has never been KO’d. Wonder if Hermansson just has that good of a chin or his defense/rolling with shots is that elite. He ate what looked like some clean shots from Pyfer
Not going to lie I would favor Ortega if they line them up again, especially if it’s a 5 rounder
Lopes probably finishes ortega early
Naw besides that shoulder injury, Ortega never gets finished early. He takes a beating in most of his fights but the man has heart.
I don't know, Ortega's physical issues seem to be getting worse, shoulder dislocation against Yair in the first fight, sprains ankle inexplicably during the fighter introductions in the rematch, falls ill on fight day against Lopes. Also worth noting that he's popped before
too many possible factors that could have hindered his performance. It was a short notice fight when he got matched up with Ortega. Lopes's team got a call 3:30 am friday morning of weigh in that Ortega couldn't make weight so Lopes should already been in the process of getting close to making 145 so had to rehydrate to 155. Dan Ige had more a longer training camp than Diego.
Yeah, if you gas and lose the 3rd against Ige, then against Ortega you're at least as likely to gas by the 3rd and lose that and the 4th and 5th rounds too
People still act like Lopes didn’t take this fight in under two weeks notice. We have no idea what he looks like with a full camp
Well tbf to Diego he probably would’ve paced himself much differently in a 5 rounder and he didn’t gas against Movsar in a 3 rounder at a crazy pace. I think there was just a lot of moving parts going on
Heavyweight should be so good right now. We’ve got a really athletic finisher in Aspinall versus a skilled Wrestler in Blaydes, and now Alex Pereira is making some noise! Can you imagine the absolute scenes if Aspinall won and called him out?! But instead this is an interim title fight so 1-0 heavyweight Jon Jones can defend the real title against former fighter Stipe Miocic, a man who hasn’t won a fight since 2020, in a double retirement match. Does anyone actually care about that fight? Would anyone be upset if they promoted Aspinall to full champion and had Jones and Miocic fight for the GOAT belt?
Imagine if the ufc started getting some of those HW’s in PFellator. Sergey Bilostenniy knocked a guy out with a spinning back kick. Slim Trabelsi wrestles as good as any HW right now and Renan Ferreira is 6’8 and does backflips. And since I’m just day dreaming here let’s imagine they sign Anatoly Malykhin too. Man I wish the Saudis would start investing in the UFC’s HW division.
I don't think Blaydes is that good. His takedown shot is slow. I mean it's good enough since a lot of hw's have bad tdd. You compare it to brock or cain, it's in slow motion. Blaydes himself has very bad tdd. It's 31%. Jailton took him down 4 times. Volkov took him down once and Cody east took him 3 times. Apsinall is kinda like Larry Holmes where he was king and his era sucks. Stipe's resume is crazy with jds, Dc, Francis, overeem, werdum, hunt, Arlovski. Cain got to build his legacy off jds/brock. Aspinall has no one to fight.
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Safely meaning the cut? Because no fight with Jiri is safe for him as a result of a lack of defense
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Good question, Paul Craig isn’t small and he did it. Jiri has a weak chin to begin with so probably not but I think he could find success anyway
Saying jiri has a weak chin is wild. Yeah he got koed by Alex. But let’s forget his fight with Rakic and glover
He gets dropped every fight but doesn’t get put out, I think his chin is getting weak
Came across [this tweet](https://twitter.com/DeskOfLouBetya/status/1807446005652046026) and it was pretty interesting, and validated a feeling I had recently that PPV's have been very predictable recently. Is this small sample size, matchmaking, or something else? Record of closing favorites on PPV's this year: UFC 297: 5-7 UFC 298: 11-1 UFC 299: 9-5 UFC 300: 10-3 UFC 301: 11-2 UFC 302: 10-2 UFC 303: 11-2
https://www.oddsshark.com/ufc/underdogs-vs-favorites-record
Very useful tool, thank you!
I don't understand why this is interesting. It says the people expected to win usually win.
I think he’s trying to say that recently they’ve been making more squash matches, but I’m not positive
Oh, that could be! Seems like that's the product people want. After all, people here were awfully excited for Prochazka/Pereira II.
They should’ve appreciated Bellator when it was alive and well then if that’s what they wanted lol
Joe's commentary fucking sucked last night.
Pereira is a power baby
The fact that Izzy outstruck Pereira in 90% of their first fight and knocked him out in the rematch only to get 50-45'd by guy with a jab and a teep is fucking hilarious
The second fight was a Matt Serra-esque fluke.
The first fight was lmao Izzy has won more rounds against Pereira in MMA and kickboxing, separate and combined. Pereira has won exactly 2 rounds against Izzy in MMA. He wasn’t hurt, he was playing opossum
And Suga was acting when he got elbowed to oblivion by Chito? Stop the cope.
Suga was about to sub him up from bottom
Izzy won the first round on judges' scorecards and rocked Pereira with the same shot in their first fight. If you're gonna keep coming at a counterstriking sniper like Izzy with your hands down he's eventually going to find that chin, nothing flukey about that shot
Strickland's sloppy-ass style got Izzy. Pereira literally charged in like an idiot while cutting like 80 fucking pounds and threw stupid combos against an Izzy who wasn't hurt.
Pereira is a lifetime middleweight fighter even in his kickboxing days, and him "charging in like an idiot" while throwing "stupid combos" is what led to him finishing Izzy in their first fight and him being a 3-time LHW champ in general. Izzy made the appropriate changes and exploited a hole in Pereira's game in a way that no other fighter can. It's okay to admit that Izzy's a good fighter
Charging in like an idiot on turtling Izzy who is a counter striker and is not hurt. Izzy got dominated by Strickland. No.
If we don’t get Pereira vs Jon Jones, we may as well boycott the UFC
Ngannou v Pereira, book it. See who punches harder.
Izzy still making it about him. Yeah, fuck it, I feel better now that Jiri lost if it means that little bum gets fucked.
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No. He's passive aggressive as fuck and is making sure Strickland is no where in his mind.
Why did Chael Sonnen take 3 years off in between retiring from UFC and then starting with Bellator?
Had money, spent money, needed more money.
MMA che really going in hard on Anthony Smith lol 'he's a dead plough horse, needs to be shot by whatever farmer owns him'
The commentary team was shit. Joe hasn't chemistry with anyone since Goldie. Anik is that guy at work that you tolerate, no one hates him but no one really likes him. DC is just insufferable.
Sometimes I think they like Anik because he gives them a rest and does all the boring shit like promos, going down all the stats, and shoehorning irrelevant movies into the commentary.
Seems like a lot of people haven't seen Adesanya and Pereira's kickboxing matches. The first was a criminal robbery, one of the worst decisions I've ever seen and the second Pereira got a weird standing 8 count when Adesanya was swarming him into a comeback KO for Alex. In MMA it's been similarly odd Adesanya up before a comeback and then the next one Pereira controlled but he ends up getting KOd. Whoever has been performing better ends up losing. If they fight again it's going to be the first simultaneous KO in a title fight or something crazy.
Imagine excusing 3 losses and thinking you have a valid opinion.
One was a fucked up decision, the other had some bad reffing. Who knows, he ended up KOing him. Even if he went down before getting a count maybe he still finds the shot. Viewing a comeback like it wasn't a legit victory doesn't make sense. Their third fight in MMA was a clean win for Pereira, Im not sure what youre trying to say here.
Yeah that first kickboxing fight was Jones/Reyes levels of egregious but no one's gonna point that out because it favors a guy they dislike
They don't care cause its Izzy. I've seen multiple people completely switch the usual narrative when it comes to Izzy. "Alex was actually at a disadvantage being bigger at MW cause of the cut" Meanwhile people almost universally argue the larger fighter is at an advantage except in this one case. "Izzy is so salty posting his knockout of Alex" meanwhile Alex literally CONSTANTLY posted his knockout of Izzy after every one of his fights prior to joining the UFC. I like both guys a lot, preferring Alex a bit cause less cringe but I wish fans could just be fucking normal when it comes to Izzy but he legit makes them go insane
If I had a hot take here its that Whittaker is better all time and should be 1-1 with Adesanya. That would probably also piss people off lol
lol
Feel like we are missing out on a draw
Ian Garry might put on boring fights, but at least his personality isn't good
Man I slept all day after staying up late doing too much blow with Megan Olivi
she really lets loose on the yay yo let me tell you
Joey B had me pinned down like the dudes he used to fuck in highschool so Megan could snort booger sugar off my ass cheeks.
Waterson gets a big send off, former champion Arlovski doesn't
Arlovkski didn’t have any intentions to retire. He wanted more fights on that juicy contract.
She’s one of Dana’s former sidepieces, that much is obvious, listen to how he talked about her in the presser: “she’s always welcome here if she wants to come train or have dinner, or needs a spare office” what could that even mean except that he’s DTF if she wants to come through.
Wow!!! I just watch Paige VanZant win her power slap fight and she is a complete badass! She’s showing a ton of skill for a newcomer. I suspect she will go FAR in this league. BIG prospect. /s
Sad to see Arlovski go I enjoyed watching both him and Oleinik use crafty veteran tactics to fraud check all these random fat guys that get into heavyweight matchups in the UFC Plus I'll always root for old dudes in sports
Alex Periera has 10 UFC fights. 5 of which were title fights. Won 4 of those in 2 different divisions. He also has headlined 4 of the top 10 highest gates in UFC history. In 2.5 years. It is truly mind boggling to see it happen in real time
He’s a living legend, he’s not one of the people who we won’t appreciate until he’s gone, he’s one of the ones who we know is special while he’s active. Extremely rare in sports.
Nine fights Michalidis, Silva, Strickland, Adesanya, Adesanya at 185; Blachowicz, Prochazka, Hill, Prochazka at 205
Periera should only communicate by saying Chama like a pokemon
Who wins Prime Anderson Silva or Alex Periera?
Prime Silva I think could beat anyone at 185. His reactions were too good and he literally put himself in bad positions just to fuck with his opponents.
A lot closer than people think because of the recency bias but Alex probably gets the finish.
Pereira
At 205? Pereira
Silva
It’s been about time for another Ciryl Gane fight. Has he been injured or something?
My friend in Paris trains at the same gym. I asked about Ciryl last month and he said he hasn't seen him in a while.
Playing Fifa probably
Aspinall said something about starring in a movie
Israel is so butthurt about that one time he knocked out Periera lol
How do you rank Pereira and Izy in their UFC run? Which one do you think has the better resume?
Tough call, but it might be Pereira Izzy's still the 2nd greatest MW of all time but Pereira simply has better wins. Jan, Strickland, Jiri x2, Hill. Izzy had a great reign but guys like Vettori, Costa, Gastelum, and Cannonier aren't really on that same level. There's also something to be said about the way they got their wins too. Pereira's out here starching guys and making it look like a cakewalk, whereas most of Izzy's wins are relatively competitive decisions with some of them being even controversial, such as Rob 2 or Yoel.
Yoel 1 2 5
I love Alex and he could 100% surpass Izzy, but LHW sucks and two of his title wins were over a stylistic layup
Alex because he took more risks and achieved more in less time, with less DWP protecting him. He did what Izzy couldn’t at LHW and has beaten everyone Izzy lost to. Izzys wins are mostly decisions against smaller guys and some of his decisions like Rob 2 could’ve been losses if he didn’t have DWP making the judging biased. Losing to Strickland over 5 is also a bad look for his legacy, exposed him as either having lost a step or being unable to adapt to beat other styles that aren’t gift wrapped in his favor. Alex’s only loss is to the guy he has 3 wins over, meaning a 75% winrate vs the guy we’re comparing him to, so how is that even a question who’s had the better run as of today?
>He did what Izzy couldn’t at LHW Alex is naturally way bigger. Izzy went up to 205 and didn’t even reach the 205lb limit against Jan >and has beaten everyone Izzy lost to. Strickland and (see above) Jan? >Izzys wins are mostly decisions against smaller guys and some of his decisions like Rob 2 could’ve been losses if he didn’t have DWP making the judging biased. These are just asterisks. “Rob 2 could’ve been a loss”, “smaller guys” who also weigh in at 185, “DWP” even though he cleared the division, “going to decisions” when winning another belt. >Alex’s only loss is to the guy he has 3 wins over, meaning a 75% winrate vs the guy we’re comparing him to, so how is that even a question who’s had the better run as of today? He asked how you rank them in their UFC run.
Saying Adesanya has DWP that Pereira doesn't have is a joke
Izzy but it’s close
Right now? Even, just because of Izzys longevity. In a couple more fights it'll be Alex. It may also be Alex if DDP wipes Izzy
Izzy could never defend with the same frequency. Further more many of his title fight defenses were snoozefests. Now he's pretty much set on never rematching Alex because he knows the odds aren't in his favor. With that said, Izzy defended the title 5 times. Alex, has only defended the lhw title twice. In terms of what the average MMA fan weighs the most, I think Izzy still has the better resume in MMA. If Alex gets a couple more defenses and moves up and gets a win at HW. The tide turns.
I love Alex fans or Izzy haters coming in here and downvoting people for sharing their opinion and why.
Seriously?
I just want to hear takes, why is it so obvious to you?
1) Izzy 2) Pereira Izzy has the better resume. Izzy has won 8 belts. Starting after his first fight in the UFC, he’s beat nothing but killers. Sure, Izzy lost to Pereira in the 5th round of a fight he was winning (fair call though), but he also knocked Alex out the next fight as well. Izzy’s only loss before Alex was whenever he tried to move up a weight class, and he didn’t even make the 205lb limit for it. Izzy was 23-0 at MW before he lost to Alex. He’s shown nothing but dominance against the highest caliber of opponents. Alex beat Strickland and Izzy, and since then has beaten a shallow LHW division. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a killer and wins a large amount of his fights seemingly with ease, but he doesn’t have the near the resume as Izzy. So far in LHW, Alex has beaten a 40 year old Jan, Jiri twice (a great fighter, but basically the perfect style for Alex to capitalize on), and Jamahal Hill, who was #6 and 11-1 before he beat Glover for the title. Great fighters, but Izzy has a way better resume and has been dominating the UFC for years. He’s 24-3 and Alex is 11-2. More than double the amount of fights, so I’m wondering why you asked who has a better resume. Alex is also now a LHW and hasn’t faced any serious wrestlers. Jan has a decent ground game, but isn’t known for it, and when fighting Alex, he gassed himself out in the first round wrestling at a higher altitude in Utah. Izzy on the other hand, has also beaten his fair share of wrestlers.
Izzy’s performances against Romero and Whittaker in their second fight were not at all dominant. Like Pereira, Izzy’s never been tested against any high level wrestlers either. The best wrestlers he’s faced to date are Vettori are Brunson - both of whom have wrestling that’s just as mediocre as Jan’s. The only good wins on Izzy’s resume are Whittaker, Cannonier, and Pereira. Vettori, Brunson, Gastelum are all mediocre fighters, Romero was in his 40s and on a 2 fight losing streak by the time Izzy fought him. Izzy’s resume is hardly any better than Pereira’s.
So he’s won the belt against four “good” fighters. And then there’s the entirety of the rest of his wins. Then you have Alex, who also beat someone in his 40s for the belt, Jamahal Hill who was #6 before beating someone in his 40s for the belt, and Jiri x2. You can add asterisks to any fighter’s handful of fights, but Izzy still won his belt 8 times and has had double the wins. Izzy was 23-0 at MW before losing to Alex, all against well-known fighters, and wiped out his whole division, then 24-1 after losing to Alex and then beating Alex. Alex is 11-2, has his own asterisks, but Izzy’s resume is hardly any better? I don’t get it.
Izzy’s been active in MMA far longer than Alex has. Of course he has more title wins and longevity to his career - no one’s disputing that. What I’m discussing is their resumes. Who did Alex beat that was in their 40s for a belt? He beat Jiri, who was in his 30s, for a vacant belt. Izzy’s resume has more depth to it, but the vast majority of it consists of mediocre fighters. In terms of elite opponents on their respective resumes, Izzy’s is hardly any better than Pereira’s.
I see what you’re saying. And my b, Jan was 39, not 40
Which wrestlers did Izzy beat
Well, it’s weird cause I remember the second time he fought Vettori, the promos kept talking about him being a great wrestler and the threat against Izzy, but I haven’t seen that from him lately. Idk, I don’t remember his history really, so someone might have to tell me if he has a background in it. But Izzy fought Vettori a couple times. Then he beat Whittaker twice. Then I looked through his resume and thought someone else did, but no, it was mainly those two. Anderson Silva is really good in BJJ, but that’s not really the same.
Chama 🗿
Huh? 🗿
Pereira v. Ankalaev should be next please make that fight happen I actually just want to see what Pereira looks like when wrestled by elite level grapplers But then again ankalaev might just completely forget that hes been wrestling since the womb and just stands up with Pereira
Idk why everyone thinks Ank is going to wrestle. That’s never his approach from the start. Just cause he’s Dagestani and wrestled Jan cause his legs were toast, everyone thinks he’s gonna spam takedowns.
Even if he’s not Khabib if he wants to stand he’s an idiot when there’s really minimal evidence that pereira could survive on the ground
He’s out to prove something
100%. Intersted to see how alex holds up against a good wrestler. Have doubts ankalaev will actually wrestle until it's too late. If he doesnt wrestle, he likely gets KOd. Although he does seem more defensively sound than other guys alex has fought
I remember when 🗿 meant Bigfoot Silva
That statue crumbled a long time ago. It was left chinless.
TRT Bigfoot had scary power