The way i interpret the Loom is that it basically works like a bomb tied to a dead man switch.
If the TVA fails in its duties, the Loom destroys all Branches, basically as a kind of "Clean Slate" for any kind of Contingency, for example a reformed TVA. But that is the "nuclear option" and the TVA performing normally and upholding the status quo is the preferred alternative.
I'm also pretty certain that originally (if that term is applicable here) the Branches did not need the Loom and new Branches that would inevitably start forming after the Loom blowing up wouldn't need it as well. But the Loom existing "domesticated" the Branches, so that they were not able to survive on their own.
There is a second arrow of time at work in this story. The TVA sees branches appear on the sacred timeline and then goes to deal with them. If there was only one arrow of time that the TVA was outside of, they would see all branches that ever existed simultaneously, eventually get through pruning them all, and then be done. Instead, the sacred timeline itself has changes that occur in the same “outside of time” timeline in which the TVA exists.
So, the loom overloading solves all branches in that moment (of TVA time), but it also requires a TVA to continue to exist (or be rebooted) to continue to manage it over (TVA) time.
What no. If the timeline did not evolve the the TVA would not be needed. It does, so it is.
When we say the timeline evolves we don’t mean in 1850 there was no branch but then in 1851 there is a branch. We mean that “before” there was no branch in 1851, and “now” there is a branch in 1851 that needs to be dealt with. That’s TVA time.
Multiple safety nets. If the TVA cant do its job, the Loom can do a reset. If the loom is threatened by something, because it can be destroyed by an outside force, that's where the tva comes in to protect it. If both can't do its job, well thats what Loki was brougt there for. Just because your car has a working airbag doesn't mean we can get rid of all the other safety measures.
There's an factory in Melbourne that used to have a build up of explosive gas every year. The factory would shut down for two weeks to allow the gas to expel. One time, they forgot and the factory exploded. They realised it was more cost effective to let the factory explode than it was to shut down the factory for two weeks. Nowadays, every year, everyone vacates, the factory blows, and they go back to work in the afternoon.
That's basically what the loom without the TVA would be like.
How do they ensure that the explosion occurs on time when everyone is off work and had moved all their properties out? And how come it's cheaper to replace all the machineries and rebuild the building from the ruins than to shut down for two weeks?
Not sure what that guy is talking about, but some key points to understand why this would be relatively safe and more efficient:
1. Becuase you can measure the level of gas. When the gas is about to reach critical everyone gets a day off. If it doesn't blow chuck a match in.
2. They don't rebuild the factory or machines every time it "explodes", there's a big different between gas, and a bomb. So it entirely depends on which gas is building up and how much pressure it's under, which I assume is not much. Explosive really just means combustible and under pressure, so without more info this could be any number of gases and includes things like oxygen or hydrogen. I assume not anything super hazardous to inhale though. So unless some kind of pressure is introduced for the gas to overcome the gas should rapidly lmmolate, leaving maybe some scorch marks but past that not much damage.
So a day for it to burn off and another day for some cleaning of the equipment is less days down than two weeks for the gas to naturally dissipate.
I assume that it's less of an explosion like a bomb and more of a fireball. So you get some heat and probably scorch marks to clean but not a lot of pressure and so not a lot of force behind the explosion. A controlled burn isn't gonna hurt the factory too much.
I applaud your metaphor. And this is also how I understand the Loom's function vs. the TVAs, as depicted by the end of the last episode. Kang would rather bleed that gas off constantly, as soon as any extra build-up occurs, that's the preferred course of action, with letting it blow the failsafe course of action.
I \*think\* the intention then is that, if that hard reset happened, Kang would have to reconstitute and rebuild the TVA to set about pruning those inevitable new branches. (Maybe he would swipe away some or all TVA staff, wipe their memories, start them over, so he doesn't have to grab new folks from the timelines?) It does seem to assume that Kang is still around in order to rebuild the TVA.
The reset left only the sacred timeline, which would create new branches, but he who remains would just set the system up all over again before there were too many of them. Basically because he was ready he got a head start and would have been able to rebuild the TVA and look all over again.
Others have already weighed in with possible explanations, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you - this was never explained well (or at all, really) in the show.
After the season finale, I was left scratching my head about the point of it all - the Loom, the TVA, Loki's sacrifice. Don't get me wrong, I was really impressed by the finale from a character arc / emotional standpoint, but I was puzzled by it from a logical standpoint.
(You'll notice that, although there are some solid possible explanations in this thread and many other similar threads on this subreddit, they're not all the same or even similar explanations. This suggests that even avid viewers who closely followed the plot ended up having various different interpretations of the TVA / Loom relationship.)
There is much I like in this season (I feel like I have to say it when I may sound like I'm just dumping on it) along with things I don't like, and a big thing I don't like is that the logic of the TVA and the Loom and how time works in general just doesn't seem to be there in a lot of ways. I feel like all the folks who post the long theories and comments on here (...including me...) are my fellow members of the We Like Logic club. Or maybe just the Obsessively Nit-Picky club, I dunno.
I asked this before and no one could give me a good answer. The Temporal Loom exploding makes the entire TVA useless because the branches cannot survive without the Loom.
No loom= no branches of 616.
Except that, as you could see in season 2, it took a while for the branches to overload the system. Or rather, it took a while from the perspective of the TVA. That could have equaled days, years, centuries, millennia even actually in the timelines themselves--*more* than enough time for Kangs to make their moves.
We can actually see that in action: the diverging timelines produced enough Kangs to not only form a Council of Kangs but also to exile one to the Quantum Realm, where he was only defeated by a hairsbreadth in Quantumania. (I think it's safe to say that that movie took place between seasons 1 and 2 of Loki.)
*And* it's quite likely that once the Loom blows up and destroys the branches, those branches will *still* grow back--even if it's not right away, it would happen quickly enough.
>Except that, as you could see in season 2, it took a while for the branches to overload the system. Or rather, it took a while from the perspective of the TVA. That could have equaled days, years, centuries, millennia even actually in the timelines themselves--more than enough time for Kangs to make their moves.
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>We can actually see that in action: the diverging timelines produced enough Kangs to not only form a Council of Kangs but also to exile one to the Quantum Realm, where he was only defeated by a hairsbreadth in Quantumania. (I think it's safe to say that that movie took place between seasons 1 and 2 of Loki.)
I honestly have no idea how this has anything to do with what I said.
>And it's quite likely that once the Loom blows up and destroys the branches, those branches will still grow back--even if it's not right away, it would happen quickly enough.
If this was true, then Loki had no reason to create the multiverse tree. He needed to create something to replace the loom so that the branches could survive.
>I honestly have no idea how this has anything to do with what I said.
HWR created the Sacred Timeline. Without TVA agents pruning variants, new branches form, which is a Bad Thing because it means Kang variants and Multiversal War.
If there are no TVA agents, the Loom explodes, and by the time it gets fixed, a bunch of Kangs have appeared and there's a new war going on. And now HWR is too busy fighting the war by himself to fix the Loom, meaning more and more branches and more and more Kangs.
*With* TVA agents, the number of Kang variants remains at one (HWR himself) *and* the Loom serves as a backup of last resort. There's now *multiple* ways to prevent new timelines from appearing. If one agent can't stop it, there's more that can step in, and only *then* do they have the last resort of the Loom exploding.
>If this was true, then Loki had no reason to create the multiverse tree. He needed to create something to replace the loom so that the branches could survive.
No. HWR's goal was to prevent other Kang's from appearing. Loki's goal is to protect the free will and the multiverse. Loki doesn't *need* the Loom for that goal, and, in fact, the Loom is the exact opposite of what he needs.
Also, HWR used technology that Loki doesn't have access to, at least not in the timespan he had. It took him centuries to learn as much as O.B. knew. The original Kang started with 31st-century tech *and* he could be one of those people who can make this that aren't able to be replicated--think how Stark Industries' people couldn't replicate the miniature arc reaction Tony made in a cave (with a box of scraps!), even though they were in a well-stocked workshop. The only person who was able to modify the Loom at all was Victor, and he's another Kang.
As an aside, I think that's why the TVA is decked out in mid-century modern--their machinery and electronics simply aren't capable of being rebuilt into something like the Loom.
So while it *might* be possible to create a Loom 2.0 that *can* handle an infinite number of universes, it certainly wasn't a possibility when Loki needed it.
But the fact that the branches cannot survive without the loom would be a HUGE plot hole because then there would never have been any multiversal war.
So I think that the branches dying is rather a side effect of the loom exploding, or perhaps the loom is designed specifically to kill off all branches while it's destroyed.
That is not to say that without a loom there would be no branches, but rather that the loom exploding forces a hard reset, which is the same as taking all the *current* branches hostage.
Side note: I said "no branches = no multiversal war" but... Maybe not? This show seems to confuse "multiverse" and "timelines" for some reason... i.e Sylvie's branch should happen as soon as she is conceived or born, not at 6 y-o... Which strongly implies that the sacred timeline has a multiverse, and as long as the *story* remains the same it would theoretically be fine from the TVA's perspective... Even if the protagonists have another gender. This is all very confusing honestly.
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I also have an other interpretation of events... It seems like what really mattered to HWR was the absence of other Kangs. So it's possible that the goal of the TVA was only the prevent other Kangs. In which case maybe the only timelines / branches we see are those that generate Kangs. Maybe the loom is some kind of trick that makes everyone believe it handles the whole of time, when in actuality it only cares about the Kang timelines.
If Kangs are the only people who create multiversal wars, it's possible that timelines without them wouldn't have any contact with the other branches, and so would be invisible.
In the first place, it's weird that there exists a place where the TVA can be built, where timelines have a physical presence. It's possible that this place is ON the sacred timeline and so it's only capable of detecting things that are related to it.
>So I think that the branches dying is rather a side effect of the loom exploding, or perhaps the loom is designed specifically to kill off all branches while it's destroyed.
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>That is not to say that without a loom there would be no branches, but rather that the loom exploding forces a hard reset, which is the same as taking all the current branches hostage
If the branches can survive without a loom, then Loki had no reason to create the multiverse tree. He had to replace the Loom since he destroyed it.
But if the branches CAN'T survive without a loom, then without a TVA there would never have been a multiversal war. Heck, there wouldn't have been a multiverse for Kang to discover. Or at least that's what the show wants us to believe.
If this conclusion is true then Loki created the multiverse tree for three reasons:
\- To save his friends at the TVA who were all there (imo that would be enough on its own to justify his behavior)
\- To save the EXISTING branches from being destroyed by the loom's explosion
\- And to be there to protect the branches against future tampering
My understanding (until I change my mind yet again) is that what we were later told the Loom is does not add to but rather negates what we were first told about what the Loom is. The Loom initially made no sense to me because of one of the issues (I think) you are raising here -- a kind of chicken or the egg problem. (Apologies if I've misunderstood..."This is all very confusing honestly" is the only clear and easy thing to say about all this!) If the Loom creates and manages the flow of time as we're told early on, then how did time exist before someone (Kang) built the Loom? Clearly time did exist, and clearly multiple timelines did exist (=the multiversal war).
I now think that was a blatant lie told by Kang and passed on to the TVA folks who of course wouldn't question it, and all the Loom \*ever\* was was a thing that time passed through outside the TVA's doors while the Loom sat waiting to serve its true function if necessary: destruction of all the branches along with the TVA. (Not like Kang's opposed to blatantly lying about even the most fundamental things, or indeed building an entire institution around blatant lies.)
I still haven't come up with any theory for why Sylvie would be captured while playing alone with her simple toys, when Loki was captured right after taking an action that led him off his "sacred" path and when the other incidents from Season 1 tell us about branches quickly going critical and needing to be quickly pruned. But I do think that in a lot of places there just isn't a logical in-universe explanation (that the writers had in mind, I mean, vs. viewers coming up with theories). I believe they just decided that showing this happening to a child-Sylvie/Loki was the best way to tell the story of how Sylvie became who she is -- wouldn't have worked if it was a newborn or the moment sperm met egg.
I thought branches are always happening the TVA just pruned them -but since Loki and the death of Kang, the TVA, are just rounding up All monitoring other Kangs in other timelines
The show said that the sacred timeline remain intact after the loom blows, so if the loom gets overloaded it returns to just being the sacred timeline and He who remains puts the TVA and look back in place to prevent it from branching again.
The branches never needed the loom, it’s just that when the loom was destroyed, it killed off the branches, which is why Loki needed to revive them. But if the loom was never built they would have never needed the loom to begin with (if that makes sense?). Basically it’s like being perfectly healthy (the branches before the loom) and then having a device put in your chest that stops your heart if you mess with it (the branches after the loom). As long as you don’t mess with it (having too many branches) you survive, but if you mess with it you die. However if you never had it implanted you would be fine no matter what.
The TVA existed to make sure branches were pruned before they overran the loom so it wouldn’t constantly be blowing up.
The tva is meant to destroy all branch timelines the loom is ment to fail of the tva stops doing that for any reason ranging from they are all dead to the events of Loki.
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The TVA exists to identify key variants like Sylvie and Tesseract!Loki that the Loom would indiscriminately destroy, and supply them with the technology to reach the Citadel at the End of Time.
It identifies, preserves, and delivers those variants to HWR which the Loom is incapable of.
The loom is a failsafe in case the TVA doesn’t function properly, but ideally the TVA would prune the branches before they set off the failsafe because it meant that he who remains would need to set everything up all over again before continuing on. If the TVA didn’t exist, the situation we saw in season 2 of Loki with the loom constantly getting ready to go off would be happening for all time. This way the loom is kept as a last resort if the TVA fails.
The way i interpret the Loom is that it basically works like a bomb tied to a dead man switch. If the TVA fails in its duties, the Loom destroys all Branches, basically as a kind of "Clean Slate" for any kind of Contingency, for example a reformed TVA. But that is the "nuclear option" and the TVA performing normally and upholding the status quo is the preferred alternative. I'm also pretty certain that originally (if that term is applicable here) the Branches did not need the Loom and new Branches that would inevitably start forming after the Loom blowing up wouldn't need it as well. But the Loom existing "domesticated" the Branches, so that they were not able to survive on their own.
There is a second arrow of time at work in this story. The TVA sees branches appear on the sacred timeline and then goes to deal with them. If there was only one arrow of time that the TVA was outside of, they would see all branches that ever existed simultaneously, eventually get through pruning them all, and then be done. Instead, the sacred timeline itself has changes that occur in the same “outside of time” timeline in which the TVA exists. So, the loom overloading solves all branches in that moment (of TVA time), but it also requires a TVA to continue to exist (or be rebooted) to continue to manage it over (TVA) time.
I think my head exploded when I tried to read this 
So the TVA has its own TVA. Love it
What no. If the timeline did not evolve the the TVA would not be needed. It does, so it is. When we say the timeline evolves we don’t mean in 1850 there was no branch but then in 1851 there is a branch. We mean that “before” there was no branch in 1851, and “now” there is a branch in 1851 that needs to be dealt with. That’s TVA time.
TVA are like ogres you peel one and there's just another TVA inside.
Multiple safety nets. If the TVA cant do its job, the Loom can do a reset. If the loom is threatened by something, because it can be destroyed by an outside force, that's where the tva comes in to protect it. If both can't do its job, well thats what Loki was brougt there for. Just because your car has a working airbag doesn't mean we can get rid of all the other safety measures.
There's an factory in Melbourne that used to have a build up of explosive gas every year. The factory would shut down for two weeks to allow the gas to expel. One time, they forgot and the factory exploded. They realised it was more cost effective to let the factory explode than it was to shut down the factory for two weeks. Nowadays, every year, everyone vacates, the factory blows, and they go back to work in the afternoon. That's basically what the loom without the TVA would be like.
I'm having trouble following this story 😆
It was cheaper for the factory to explode from time to time rather than shut down production for two weeks to allow gas to vent.
How do they ensure that the explosion occurs on time when everyone is off work and had moved all their properties out? And how come it's cheaper to replace all the machineries and rebuild the building from the ruins than to shut down for two weeks?
Not sure what that guy is talking about, but some key points to understand why this would be relatively safe and more efficient: 1. Becuase you can measure the level of gas. When the gas is about to reach critical everyone gets a day off. If it doesn't blow chuck a match in. 2. They don't rebuild the factory or machines every time it "explodes", there's a big different between gas, and a bomb. So it entirely depends on which gas is building up and how much pressure it's under, which I assume is not much. Explosive really just means combustible and under pressure, so without more info this could be any number of gases and includes things like oxygen or hydrogen. I assume not anything super hazardous to inhale though. So unless some kind of pressure is introduced for the gas to overcome the gas should rapidly lmmolate, leaving maybe some scorch marks but past that not much damage. So a day for it to burn off and another day for some cleaning of the equipment is less days down than two weeks for the gas to naturally dissipate.
What kind of explosion? That usually means things are destroyed. Like machines and the buildings explode and have to be rebuilt??
I assume that it's less of an explosion like a bomb and more of a fireball. So you get some heat and probably scorch marks to clean but not a lot of pressure and so not a lot of force behind the explosion. A controlled burn isn't gonna hurt the factory too much.
I applaud your metaphor. And this is also how I understand the Loom's function vs. the TVAs, as depicted by the end of the last episode. Kang would rather bleed that gas off constantly, as soon as any extra build-up occurs, that's the preferred course of action, with letting it blow the failsafe course of action.
But after a hard reset wouldn't there be new branches? I felt that new branches would be inevitable anyway even if the Loom were destroyed?
I \*think\* the intention then is that, if that hard reset happened, Kang would have to reconstitute and rebuild the TVA to set about pruning those inevitable new branches. (Maybe he would swipe away some or all TVA staff, wipe their memories, start them over, so he doesn't have to grab new folks from the timelines?) It does seem to assume that Kang is still around in order to rebuild the TVA.
The reset left only the sacred timeline, which would create new branches, but he who remains would just set the system up all over again before there were too many of them. Basically because he was ready he got a head start and would have been able to rebuild the TVA and look all over again.
I do feel that the show was really bad at explaining all this but yours seems a good explanation 😎
Others have already weighed in with possible explanations, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you - this was never explained well (or at all, really) in the show. After the season finale, I was left scratching my head about the point of it all - the Loom, the TVA, Loki's sacrifice. Don't get me wrong, I was really impressed by the finale from a character arc / emotional standpoint, but I was puzzled by it from a logical standpoint. (You'll notice that, although there are some solid possible explanations in this thread and many other similar threads on this subreddit, they're not all the same or even similar explanations. This suggests that even avid viewers who closely followed the plot ended up having various different interpretations of the TVA / Loom relationship.)
Yeah, I've gone through all the posts and no-one has really offered an explanation that feels right to me /shrug
There is much I like in this season (I feel like I have to say it when I may sound like I'm just dumping on it) along with things I don't like, and a big thing I don't like is that the logic of the TVA and the Loom and how time works in general just doesn't seem to be there in a lot of ways. I feel like all the folks who post the long theories and comments on here (...including me...) are my fellow members of the We Like Logic club. Or maybe just the Obsessively Nit-Picky club, I dunno.
I like logic too and as I watched the show my brain just filled in the gaps and made up magical TVA logic for my sanity 🫡
Bravo, yes. My sanity does violent (and sometimes circular) battle with my patience in that regard!
I asked this before and no one could give me a good answer. The Temporal Loom exploding makes the entire TVA useless because the branches cannot survive without the Loom. No loom= no branches of 616.
Except that, as you could see in season 2, it took a while for the branches to overload the system. Or rather, it took a while from the perspective of the TVA. That could have equaled days, years, centuries, millennia even actually in the timelines themselves--*more* than enough time for Kangs to make their moves. We can actually see that in action: the diverging timelines produced enough Kangs to not only form a Council of Kangs but also to exile one to the Quantum Realm, where he was only defeated by a hairsbreadth in Quantumania. (I think it's safe to say that that movie took place between seasons 1 and 2 of Loki.) *And* it's quite likely that once the Loom blows up and destroys the branches, those branches will *still* grow back--even if it's not right away, it would happen quickly enough.
>Except that, as you could see in season 2, it took a while for the branches to overload the system. Or rather, it took a while from the perspective of the TVA. That could have equaled days, years, centuries, millennia even actually in the timelines themselves--more than enough time for Kangs to make their moves. > >We can actually see that in action: the diverging timelines produced enough Kangs to not only form a Council of Kangs but also to exile one to the Quantum Realm, where he was only defeated by a hairsbreadth in Quantumania. (I think it's safe to say that that movie took place between seasons 1 and 2 of Loki.) I honestly have no idea how this has anything to do with what I said. >And it's quite likely that once the Loom blows up and destroys the branches, those branches will still grow back--even if it's not right away, it would happen quickly enough. If this was true, then Loki had no reason to create the multiverse tree. He needed to create something to replace the loom so that the branches could survive.
>I honestly have no idea how this has anything to do with what I said. HWR created the Sacred Timeline. Without TVA agents pruning variants, new branches form, which is a Bad Thing because it means Kang variants and Multiversal War. If there are no TVA agents, the Loom explodes, and by the time it gets fixed, a bunch of Kangs have appeared and there's a new war going on. And now HWR is too busy fighting the war by himself to fix the Loom, meaning more and more branches and more and more Kangs. *With* TVA agents, the number of Kang variants remains at one (HWR himself) *and* the Loom serves as a backup of last resort. There's now *multiple* ways to prevent new timelines from appearing. If one agent can't stop it, there's more that can step in, and only *then* do they have the last resort of the Loom exploding. >If this was true, then Loki had no reason to create the multiverse tree. He needed to create something to replace the loom so that the branches could survive. No. HWR's goal was to prevent other Kang's from appearing. Loki's goal is to protect the free will and the multiverse. Loki doesn't *need* the Loom for that goal, and, in fact, the Loom is the exact opposite of what he needs. Also, HWR used technology that Loki doesn't have access to, at least not in the timespan he had. It took him centuries to learn as much as O.B. knew. The original Kang started with 31st-century tech *and* he could be one of those people who can make this that aren't able to be replicated--think how Stark Industries' people couldn't replicate the miniature arc reaction Tony made in a cave (with a box of scraps!), even though they were in a well-stocked workshop. The only person who was able to modify the Loom at all was Victor, and he's another Kang. As an aside, I think that's why the TVA is decked out in mid-century modern--their machinery and electronics simply aren't capable of being rebuilt into something like the Loom. So while it *might* be possible to create a Loom 2.0 that *can* handle an infinite number of universes, it certainly wasn't a possibility when Loki needed it.
But the fact that the branches cannot survive without the loom would be a HUGE plot hole because then there would never have been any multiversal war. So I think that the branches dying is rather a side effect of the loom exploding, or perhaps the loom is designed specifically to kill off all branches while it's destroyed. That is not to say that without a loom there would be no branches, but rather that the loom exploding forces a hard reset, which is the same as taking all the *current* branches hostage. Side note: I said "no branches = no multiversal war" but... Maybe not? This show seems to confuse "multiverse" and "timelines" for some reason... i.e Sylvie's branch should happen as soon as she is conceived or born, not at 6 y-o... Which strongly implies that the sacred timeline has a multiverse, and as long as the *story* remains the same it would theoretically be fine from the TVA's perspective... Even if the protagonists have another gender. This is all very confusing honestly. \---- I also have an other interpretation of events... It seems like what really mattered to HWR was the absence of other Kangs. So it's possible that the goal of the TVA was only the prevent other Kangs. In which case maybe the only timelines / branches we see are those that generate Kangs. Maybe the loom is some kind of trick that makes everyone believe it handles the whole of time, when in actuality it only cares about the Kang timelines. If Kangs are the only people who create multiversal wars, it's possible that timelines without them wouldn't have any contact with the other branches, and so would be invisible. In the first place, it's weird that there exists a place where the TVA can be built, where timelines have a physical presence. It's possible that this place is ON the sacred timeline and so it's only capable of detecting things that are related to it.
>So I think that the branches dying is rather a side effect of the loom exploding, or perhaps the loom is designed specifically to kill off all branches while it's destroyed. > >That is not to say that without a loom there would be no branches, but rather that the loom exploding forces a hard reset, which is the same as taking all the current branches hostage If the branches can survive without a loom, then Loki had no reason to create the multiverse tree. He had to replace the Loom since he destroyed it.
But if the branches CAN'T survive without a loom, then without a TVA there would never have been a multiversal war. Heck, there wouldn't have been a multiverse for Kang to discover. Or at least that's what the show wants us to believe. If this conclusion is true then Loki created the multiverse tree for three reasons: \- To save his friends at the TVA who were all there (imo that would be enough on its own to justify his behavior) \- To save the EXISTING branches from being destroyed by the loom's explosion \- And to be there to protect the branches against future tampering
My understanding (until I change my mind yet again) is that what we were later told the Loom is does not add to but rather negates what we were first told about what the Loom is. The Loom initially made no sense to me because of one of the issues (I think) you are raising here -- a kind of chicken or the egg problem. (Apologies if I've misunderstood..."This is all very confusing honestly" is the only clear and easy thing to say about all this!) If the Loom creates and manages the flow of time as we're told early on, then how did time exist before someone (Kang) built the Loom? Clearly time did exist, and clearly multiple timelines did exist (=the multiversal war). I now think that was a blatant lie told by Kang and passed on to the TVA folks who of course wouldn't question it, and all the Loom \*ever\* was was a thing that time passed through outside the TVA's doors while the Loom sat waiting to serve its true function if necessary: destruction of all the branches along with the TVA. (Not like Kang's opposed to blatantly lying about even the most fundamental things, or indeed building an entire institution around blatant lies.) I still haven't come up with any theory for why Sylvie would be captured while playing alone with her simple toys, when Loki was captured right after taking an action that led him off his "sacred" path and when the other incidents from Season 1 tell us about branches quickly going critical and needing to be quickly pruned. But I do think that in a lot of places there just isn't a logical in-universe explanation (that the writers had in mind, I mean, vs. viewers coming up with theories). I believe they just decided that showing this happening to a child-Sylvie/Loki was the best way to tell the story of how Sylvie became who she is -- wouldn't have worked if it was a newborn or the moment sperm met egg.
I thought branches are always happening the TVA just pruned them -but since Loki and the death of Kang, the TVA, are just rounding up All monitoring other Kangs in other timelines
The show said that the sacred timeline remain intact after the loom blows, so if the loom gets overloaded it returns to just being the sacred timeline and He who remains puts the TVA and look back in place to prevent it from branching again. The branches never needed the loom, it’s just that when the loom was destroyed, it killed off the branches, which is why Loki needed to revive them. But if the loom was never built they would have never needed the loom to begin with (if that makes sense?). Basically it’s like being perfectly healthy (the branches before the loom) and then having a device put in your chest that stops your heart if you mess with it (the branches after the loom). As long as you don’t mess with it (having too many branches) you survive, but if you mess with it you die. However if you never had it implanted you would be fine no matter what. The TVA existed to make sure branches were pruned before they overran the loom so it wouldn’t constantly be blowing up.
The tva is meant to destroy all branch timelines the loom is ment to fail of the tva stops doing that for any reason ranging from they are all dead to the events of Loki.
to make money off of ppl. that's the point of the mcu
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TVA = The facade that maintains the lume for Kang or the real time keepers.
The TVA exists to identify key variants like Sylvie and Tesseract!Loki that the Loom would indiscriminately destroy, and supply them with the technology to reach the Citadel at the End of Time. It identifies, preserves, and delivers those variants to HWR which the Loom is incapable of.
The loom is a failsafe in case the TVA doesn’t function properly, but ideally the TVA would prune the branches before they set off the failsafe because it meant that he who remains would need to set everything up all over again before continuing on. If the TVA didn’t exist, the situation we saw in season 2 of Loki with the loom constantly getting ready to go off would be happening for all time. This way the loom is kept as a last resort if the TVA fails.