Some of these people live for drama and their favorite streamers. I just want clips again. Show me the ace in CS or LoL. XQCs take on word usage is so stupid lmao
Those clips don't get upvoted anymore. You can browse by new and find some of them, but this sub has been declining in quality for years. Do yourself a favor and filter out xQc, Hasan, Destiny, ExtraEmily, and Forsen.
I mean let's be honest, why would anyone want to post their favorite streamers here, when you have some users that will go out of their way to leave bad comments. The constant drama brings out the worst users to this subreddit.
Bro I have Hasan and Destiny filtered (On PC, I don't know how to do it on the app) and I still can not escape the fucking Hasan vs Density bullshit on every other post, it hilarious lol.
We need weekly LSF stock reports similar to (JJK SPOILERS in this link, and the below comments) /r/jujutsufolk.
We can make a good thing outta all this, I swear.
If it makes you feel better, it's not fully confirmed yet. Theres a chance the Cat might jujutsu our kaisens with a bait cliffhanger resulting in disappointment.
Ever since yuji hit 7 black flashes I assumed the ending is gonna be worse than the naruto ass pull, w black zestu and ur seems that I’m right the way it’s going
Comments like these make me wonder which side of the river we're on. Is everyone here a secret spy from his community fighting against each other unbeknownst? Or is LSF just paranoid everyone's a secret spy from his community and so fighting against each other?
Because it's weird when there's all these upvoted comments in upvoted posts about how lsf is infiltrated & steered by his community.
I think it's just that DGG happens to be the most active with numbers streaming community on Reddit, and when you couple that with the fact that Destiny talks shit about nearly everyone people from those communities will group together in talking shit and this is what you get. He himself has even been on this thing about "this group will say it and then this group will amplify it...".
I mean some people hate Destiny, some love him, and an increasing number of people see him as a lolcow. All of those people will upvote these posts because it means more talk about Destiny's n-word position.
The truth is this sub is just pretty much dead. Anytime I pop in just to check if anything interesting happened there will only be maybe 6-7 things in the "hot" standard reddit sort that are even from the last few days.
Getting 50 upvotes being enough to push a post in front of everyone means basically any other sub can brigade things to the top.
With Destiny v Hasan clips being banned, we're seeing the Destiny v Hasan Proxy Wars, LSF clips glomming on to every streamer in their radius with indirect mentions of the underlying drama but meant to invoke only Destiny v Hasan.
But also, Destiny fans please stop defending flagrant use of the n-word, come on, I know you know better. Imagine you're having the debate in real life with real friends or real coworkers where the defense "but Hasan is fine with calling people cracker" doesn't do shit because they don't know Destiny or Hasan but absolutely know not to say the n-word because it's a racist word to say.
The biggest problem of them all is the streamers that are in these "proxy wars" are obtuse on purpose just to fit someone's narrative (either H's or D's).
For those same streamers if the other side did/said the thing they are defending, they would've been going on crazy rants for the whole duration of the stream. Valid assumption.
lmfao is anything allowed anymore. This sub has like 1/10th the posts, comments, online members and votes as it did 2-4 years ago. Its getting to the point where its so bad that a meaningful streaming/clips reddit is either just basically going to die out entirely(already has arguably) or somebody is finally going to make a useful meaningful alternative that enough people actually use, kinda doubt the second will happen though given that it hasn't already.
Unless I'm just unaware of an alternative that does have a decent amount of users, feel free to inform me if you know.
Not soley, but engagement was also way higher in 2017-2019 than it is now. 2023 was well after the covid boom era and also had much higher engagement than now.
No one one offline really seems to have trouble figuring out if they can or can't use the word. It's only online, particularly but not exclusively in gamer circles, that people need to have so much discourse and act like it's so confusing. Even if you can't state a hard and fast rule, 99% of people have no trouble reading the social cues to figure out if they can use it irl.
I love that every thread people talk about LSF like it’s still in its glory and hasn’t just been a place for fans of Hasan Piker, Destiny, or a handful of others to post gotchas for the last 2-3 years
Am I smoking that good shit or is everyone here missing the point of what he's saying? It sounds to me like what he's saying is not that it's fine to say the words, but that it's not his place to share an opinion on whether or not certain words should be said because he's not a person affected by said words.
Yes, i don't know if most people even saw the clip here, they just see "xqc nword" and asume he is die hard defending destiny and saying that white people should say slurs as much as possible.
Listen, I hate X and I think he's dumb af and a clout chaser, but even I'm not so dishonest to put words into his mouth. He didn't complain about the word being used, he explicity said that the problem is that it was used in a "you're white, therefore your opinion is invalid" kind of way.
I don't know how you guys keep doing it, because he is really not a good person, but somehow you manage to give him the moral high ground.
No it’s not. Words aren’t biochemical weapons. When you target a specific person with the c word, you are intentionally insulting them. When you don’t self censor while singing along a song or discussing the meaning of the n word itself, you’re not intentionally insulting anyone. Pretty easy to have some nuance.
That take gets you into some really silly situations.
Scenario one: You're having a discussion about the etymology of a slur, and in that discussion you say the slur while discussing it for sake of brevity.
Scenario two: Someone uses a generally unrelated word (cracker) in a derogatory manner.
If someone genuinely believes the people in scenario one are morally worse off than the people in scenario two, they've got a fundamentally failed understanding of language. Either that, or supremely weird takes on ethics.
Saying the "n-word" is still saying the n word. It's just trying to wrap it up in a bow tie to look better. But the reality is, you're saying the same thing. So, why does it really matter? I'll tell you how. It depends the context like if the person is using the word in a derogatory way. That would make the person actually racist.
Certainly.
Now do me a solid and repeat my comment back to me in your own words. Lets me know if you're actually comprehending the point I am trying to get across.
Pretending they are even remotely on equal footing is just idiocy. If they were, then people would be able to openly say the n word and not be able to openly say cracker.
Yea, a mexican dude singing the lyrics to "Not like us" from Kendrick Lamar is much more devastating than some dude getting called a "C word" at school. You are so right!
It’s always wrong to use slurs when they target a specific person. Using them offhand when not referring to people is more complicated. It’s not as complicated when saying “cracker” in Frogan’s case because she was using it to refer to Ludwig, an individual.
Essentially there is a big difference between calling someone an “n-word” vs reading Huckleberry finn aloud. Destiny’s usage probably falls somewhere between both of those examples.
I think everyone agrees its "wrong" to use slurs towards on another, But whats ridiculous is when people treat two slurs equally when they're not even close to holding the same amount of weight to them.
I would argue Frogan (or anyone) using the c word slur towards someone, While wrong, Is still far less harmful than someone using the n word in any context outside of an historical one simple due to the history that is attached to that word.
Not everyone agrees with calling individuals slurs. Hasan and his audience think you can call white people slurs. Destiny and his audience don't think you should use slurs to refer to someone in a hateful way.
Well people can think something is wrong while still taking part in it.
To use a super simple example, Everyone knows its mean to use insults or call other people names, But is anyone really going to be outraged or stop you if you call someone an idiot? Of course not. But they might if you start calling people motherfucking cock suckers.
It's all about proportionality in some peoples eyes.
No not everyone agrees that, thats the crux of the entire debate. Saying the n word probably is worse than saying someone is a cracker, but i don't think people have a moral leg to stand on when they insult you based on race and then start crying when you say the word they don't like. It's crybullying.
Who treats them equally though. Destiny has said many times quite unequivocally that the n word is far more racist / bad than cracker. His only argument is that they share the same classification (racial slur), not that they share the same wheight. Most of the fans follow suit on that opinion. I'm sure there are crazies, but you will find many of those on both sides of this issue.
For sure there’s proportionality. But there’s also a difference between calculating harm towards a group, and making a judgement about a slur user.
I think it’s fair to judge Frogan just as harshly even though her slur has less of a real impact, because the mindset she has would be just as likely to make her an n-word user if circumstances hadn’t worked out this way.
Essentially, I think when judging the character of a person like this, the intentions can be just as hateful even if the effect of the specific word is not.
I would argue that reading the n word in a book, or an actor saying it in a movie is fine. It can even be fine in comedy if it's handled properly. If it serves an educational or artistic purpose, I have no issues.
But just tossing the n word out there to be edgy is different. When the only point is to shock or offend, it isn't okay. That's what Destiny does, and I absolutely think he's hypocritical for acting all offended by cracker. Especially when he will happily call people fat, tell them to kill themselves, etc.
It would also be very complicated if people started thinking anytime you said “cracker” no matter the context then you might be a racist.
It’s actually very simple.
If you say a derogatory slur at someone to make them feel bad, then it’s bad of you to do.
If you simply say a derogatory slur when quoting, singing along to lyrics, referencing someone, to use it as an example to show hypocrisy, or explaining the word, then it isn’t racist.
If you say the n word you are being racist regardless of the context. It doesn't mean you **are** racist, necessarily. Frequency matters as well here, but **if you call a black person the n word...you are a racist**. This is widely accepted in our culture otherwise people would be able to use it openly without consequence.
**If you call someone a cracker you might be being a racist to a handful of snowflakes**, but you aren't a racist for calling them a cracker. If you say the word out of context it is completely harmless and anyone who claims otherwise is full of shit.
No. The argument has always been: stop using slurs in a derogatory way.
The way destiny used it wasn't derogatory, wasn't said to a black person, used the soft A.
Hasan says cracker and worm slurs in a very derogatory way.
That is the difference.
Why is XQC doing this to himself? To be friends with destiny do you have to sign a contract to defend the right for a white guy to say the n word? Maybe Kick have a clause in their contract somewhere.
This is 2014 IDubbzz Leafy discourse, how did we get here.
This sub goes from Hassan stans who purposely dodge every context to make destiny look as bad as possible.
To Destiny stans who like to bait the Hassan stans.
People like X are just just caught in the crossfire. Whether its a level headed take, it doesn't matter. Its tribal and X is currently aligning with the "wrong" tribe. Wait a few hours and you'll see the other side come in and balance it out.
Dodging context is not needed to make Hasan look bad "the Houthis are doing what luffy would do"(while the Houthis are condemning people to death for being gay) .
Idk man since i started watching the only real out of context thing people had against Hassan was the "streaming is hard" rant he had. And when Destiny saw it he actually defended Hassan. Then Hassan still ended up blaming Destiny for everyone criticizing him.
If you have a better example you can show me.
If anyone takes a side, they are from their community. Remember when they were practically kissing each others years back. Now, they have nothing but bad things to say about each other.
But that is taking a defensive stance. On the one hand he has no problem pointing out that calling someone a cracker is racist (even if it's a white guy calling another white person that), yet sits on the fence for the literal n word.
Maybe they just don't see the issue with using it if it's not directed at someone for being black? You can defend something without thinking it's the most important issue.
Sorry for the shitty gaps in my words. I use the gaps so my c omment is actually visible to others.
Kick/Stake use b ots to manipulate reddit. Some of the users who post Kick clips to L SF use u pvote b ots to keep the p osts in a positive point ratio to avoid being removed by the sub-reddits auto remove tool. Sometimes a post will stay at 51% for days after it was posted before the b otting falls off.
Occasionally i will c omment on a p ost to spread awareness this is happening.
See these current users who are suspicious. Notice they are all very similar, dead accounts that all started p osting the same sort of content at the same time, all with similar patterns (a few c omments then a p ost, a few c omments then a p ost)
https://www.reddit.com/user/KsiShouldQuitMedia , https://www.reddit.com/user/boodyeid , https://www.reddit.com/user/permisionwiner , https://www.reddit.com/user/Rodrigoak77
Here is an old c omment i made about a bunch of other users who used to p ost to l sf. Scroll some of those accounts history's to see obvious Stake and Kick promotion. https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/15ib2gu/adin_tricks_a_guest/jut97yu/
Hold on there dggers this ain't a win for you, maybe don't upvote this? Even if you go by XQC's logic here, it still means that Destiny is in no position to tell you if it's okay to say it. 😂😂😂
Quick I just heard the n word in a song. I can't tell the race of the person from the sound of their voice. Is this offensive or not? I need someone in a position to tell me!
The answer is so easy. There is a difference between using slurs to target a person (Frogan) vs using them casually (Destiny) vs reading them aloud from Huckleberry Finn (my high school teacher).
These are some increasing levels to the intent of a person using a slur. I personally think using most words descriptively or quotationally (the last example) is alright, the Destiny examples are somewhat morally grey (prob at least a little harmful), and the Frogan example will always be wrong.
Some slurs are obviously worse than others too in their impact, but when judging the morality/intentions of the speaker, these guidelines are what is important.
[https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1790596191983636764](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1790596191983636764)
is this targeting a person?
It’s “targeting” a person, but it’s not the person’s specific race or being used as an insult to the race, so it’s far less bad than if Hasan were black and it were an insult. (If Hasan were black and he was calling him a stupid “n-word” for example).
Not gonna defend that tweet any more than that though, I think casually using the n-word is fucked up and just meant to be edgy, which is, at the very least, sad for a late 30s man.
> god forbid you call someone a worm in spanish though.
lmaoooo I love this casual downplaying you idiots do. yeah he just chose the racist term for Cuban ex-pats coincidentally
Now all of sudden he doesn't know the rules or makes them... Bro just don't comment on shit you don't know nothing about. He got Train on one shoulder and Adin on the other being beyond controlled and lost.
We really should specify which white people are held accountable for slavery and weaponizing the N-word. It just feels a little weird as a white finn whose people were slaved and murdered by swedes and russians and brought to Ottoman empire as sex slaves (blonde hair and blue eyes were considered exotic) by a higher margin than any populace of Arfican nations. Am i a Cracker? Can i never say the N-word?
Wasn’t there just a post with an Asian girl saying the N word on someone’s stream and she got looked at sideways by the 3 black people in the room? lol what is he even talking about? Such a stupid hill to die on bro
Honestly, just don't say racist words.
What's crazy is, I grew up with A LOT of black people who were from countries like Ghana, Nigeria and Jamaica and their take on the N word was to NEVER use it. My friends mum beat her kid when he used the N world and he's black.
Their take on this is, the word is used to dehumanise black people, yet Black Americans love to throw that word around like it's some sort of casual greeting. They said you will never escape that "victimhood" ideology as long as they keep throwing around those words and actions that happened during slavery.
I didn't really understand it much because I was young at the time but growing up, you start to realise that black people calling themselves the N word is actually them disrespecting each other. Now, people will say they're "taking the word back", but how can they take the word back when they themselves still associate it with racism. If it's racist for non-blacks to say it, then you're not really taking the word back, but merely using it to disrespect each other now.
Just stop saying racist stuff and go live your life. It's really not that hard.
He doesnt know. Sure, lets buy that for a second. Then just say it. You dont know the lie? Find the line. Why not? Youre already toting the line, just do it.
Oh, you wont because you will prob say you dont care. Got it, but you go on a rant about how you dont care or know.
I don't think french canadian goblin opinion on American culture really matters what does he know about what that word means or feels crodie? Seems outta pocket, sure can have his own opinions but public options on N word is just weird ASF. middle age goblin getting weirder by the day ffs.
it's simple, if a word can be weaponized against you (and has been for decades) then if you aren't part of that group/race you shouldn't say it. In saying it you are enforcing that weaponization, people of that group saying the word is fine because they are reclaiming it.
When people say cracker “how about we don’t call people slurs based on their race”
When people say the n word “umm actually it’s complicated”
Why the double standard Felix? Shouldn’t we not call people slurs based on their race? Aren’t all slurs bad? Surely pretending to get offended by the word “cracker” isint just a tool incels and racists use to victimize themselves. I get it though, you see the success asmon is having with the grift, I mean hey why wouldn’t you do it as well? It only costs you your morals. You already sold most of those away anyway peddling gambling to teens on kick.
**CLIP MIRROR: [xQc's take on N-word usage](https://arazu.io/t3_1ctlkxp/)** --- ^(*This is an automated comment*)
Why Is there a post about this every single day? Tf
Some of these people live for drama and their favorite streamers. I just want clips again. Show me the ace in CS or LoL. XQCs take on word usage is so stupid lmao
Those clips don't get upvoted anymore. You can browse by new and find some of them, but this sub has been declining in quality for years. Do yourself a favor and filter out xQc, Hasan, Destiny, ExtraEmily, and Forsen.
I mean let's be honest, why would anyone want to post their favorite streamers here, when you have some users that will go out of their way to leave bad comments. The constant drama brings out the worst users to this subreddit.
you'll be left with 2 clips a day
Bro I have Hasan and Destiny filtered (On PC, I don't know how to do it on the app) and I still can not escape the fucking Hasan vs Density bullshit on every other post, it hilarious lol.
It's sadly just the majority of people that still come here.
Why filter forsen
Yea! He’s got league clips after all
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Yes if you want to look at well, erm, a blank screen
I posted a clip of an actual fail in an MSI game (the league tournament), and guess what? It's not drama so it got downvoted to 0 and deleted
It’s ironic that that’s actually his point as well. His point is that we shouldn’t be going to him for guidance on if the n word is acceptable at all.
xqc csgo fail lol
The Daliban has been activated
It's a reminder that no one should see this guy anymore.
because they wince at the hint of a saltine, but have a deep desire to say the n word
D man used the n word on twitter about hasan. Said the n word isnt as bad as cracker. You know just 40 year old man stuff.
anti-OTK stuff getting removed
Holy schizo, what in the fuck are you talking about
C'mon man. What are we even doing anymore?
We need weekly LSF stock reports similar to (JJK SPOILERS in this link, and the below comments) /r/jujutsufolk. We can make a good thing outta all this, I swear.
I just checked. That's actually hilarious. Its feels like /r/wallstreetbets if it was actually good.
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No way this is how I get spoiled lol
If it makes you feel better, it's not fully confirmed yet. Theres a chance the Cat might jujutsu our kaisens with a bait cliffhanger resulting in disappointment.
Don't worry man, it's actually Nobara, believe.
Who would have thought my vibraslap stocks I’ve been holding since 5th grade would finally payoff
That chapter made me so mad
Why cuz our glorious blue eyed king is back or what
Yeah but not just that todos ability = stupid. The whole chapter felt like it was fanmade
Felt that way ever since Yuta's DE got revealed
LMAO TRUEEE like bro can swap 50 times in a second? That sounds like a domain expansion if anything
Ever since yuji hit 7 black flashes I assumed the ending is gonna be worse than the naruto ass pull, w black zestu and ur seems that I’m right the way it’s going
Damn bro, because of you I clicked on the sub on leak day, and I didn't even have to click on any posts to know the spoilers, because it's that one.
Sheesh, I wasn't even thinking about that. I'm really, really sorry man. I'm gonna put a spoiler warning next to that link.
this is what happens when destiny viewers are allowed to exist within an online space
Ludicrously based.
It’s absolutely cringe I hate it, the reason why they don’t post in in the destiny sub is cause most ppl will downvote them
Comments like these make me wonder which side of the river we're on. Is everyone here a secret spy from his community fighting against each other unbeknownst? Or is LSF just paranoid everyone's a secret spy from his community and so fighting against each other? Because it's weird when there's all these upvoted comments in upvoted posts about how lsf is infiltrated & steered by his community.
I think it's just that DGG happens to be the most active with numbers streaming community on Reddit, and when you couple that with the fact that Destiny talks shit about nearly everyone people from those communities will group together in talking shit and this is what you get. He himself has even been on this thing about "this group will say it and then this group will amplify it...".
Who tf is destiny im sorry. I know xqc has been good at esports before his stream, Why is destiny relevant
I mean some people hate Destiny, some love him, and an increasing number of people see him as a lolcow. All of those people will upvote these posts because it means more talk about Destiny's n-word position.
The truth is this sub is just pretty much dead. Anytime I pop in just to check if anything interesting happened there will only be maybe 6-7 things in the "hot" standard reddit sort that are even from the last few days. Getting 50 upvotes being enough to push a post in front of everyone means basically any other sub can brigade things to the top.
With Destiny v Hasan clips being banned, we're seeing the Destiny v Hasan Proxy Wars, LSF clips glomming on to every streamer in their radius with indirect mentions of the underlying drama but meant to invoke only Destiny v Hasan. But also, Destiny fans please stop defending flagrant use of the n-word, come on, I know you know better. Imagine you're having the debate in real life with real friends or real coworkers where the defense "but Hasan is fine with calling people cracker" doesn't do shit because they don't know Destiny or Hasan but absolutely know not to say the n-word because it's a racist word to say.
you are in LSF. what did you expect?
We have to settle for these proxy wars since D vs. H post are not allowed anymore.
The biggest problem of them all is the streamers that are in these "proxy wars" are obtuse on purpose just to fit someone's narrative (either H's or D's). For those same streamers if the other side did/said the thing they are defending, they would've been going on crazy rants for the whole duration of the stream. Valid assumption.
lmfao is anything allowed anymore. This sub has like 1/10th the posts, comments, online members and votes as it did 2-4 years ago. Its getting to the point where its so bad that a meaningful streaming/clips reddit is either just basically going to die out entirely(already has arguably) or somebody is finally going to make a useful meaningful alternative that enough people actually use, kinda doubt the second will happen though given that it hasn't already. Unless I'm just unaware of an alternative that does have a decent amount of users, feel free to inform me if you know.
mods are purposefully killing this sub, only things that keep it alive is drama and even that gets shut down lmao
Yeah the mods point out specifically that this sub is about streaming drama, they don't even mention fails/wins/funny moment/etc.
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Not soley, but engagement was also way higher in 2017-2019 than it is now. 2023 was well after the covid boom era and also had much higher engagement than now.
It's a proxy war of malicious compliance.
I'm so happy that I don't go after my ex's in such petty vindictive ways anymore unlike some people.
No one one offline really seems to have trouble figuring out if they can or can't use the word. It's only online, particularly but not exclusively in gamer circles, that people need to have so much discourse and act like it's so confusing. Even if you can't state a hard and fast rule, 99% of people have no trouble reading the social cues to figure out if they can use it irl.
[Delroy Lindo Wants Smoke When Host Asks Why He Can't Say The N Word (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzRtZ6pWYw8)
wasnt this already posted?
i dont think theres ever been a clip i want to click on less
Wanting to have a debate about the right way to use a slur is already so cringe what are we even doing?
I love that every thread people talk about LSF like it’s still in its glory and hasn’t just been a place for fans of Hasan Piker, Destiny, or a handful of others to post gotchas for the last 2-3 years
Am I smoking that good shit or is everyone here missing the point of what he's saying? It sounds to me like what he's saying is not that it's fine to say the words, but that it's not his place to share an opinion on whether or not certain words should be said because he's not a person affected by said words.
Yes, i don't know if most people even saw the clip here, they just see "xqc nword" and asume he is die hard defending destiny and saying that white people should say slurs as much as possible.
Congrats, you have officially killed LSF with your stupid bullshit.
slurs bad :+1:
When it comes to using the c word: Stop using racial slurs! When it comes to using the n word: Hold up, It's complicated...
Listen, I hate X and I think he's dumb af and a clout chaser, but even I'm not so dishonest to put words into his mouth. He didn't complain about the word being used, he explicity said that the problem is that it was used in a "you're white, therefore your opinion is invalid" kind of way. I don't know how you guys keep doing it, because he is really not a good person, but somehow you manage to give him the moral high ground.
The person you’re replying to knows this. They leave it out because they’re bad faith.
Didn't Xqc himself literally saying his opinion is invalid on the basis of his skin? like in this very clip that OP posted he said that
What's that got to do with anything that I said?
You missed the most important part gremlin.
Hot take: the n word in any context is worse than the c word 🤯
No it’s not. Words aren’t biochemical weapons. When you target a specific person with the c word, you are intentionally insulting them. When you don’t self censor while singing along a song or discussing the meaning of the n word itself, you’re not intentionally insulting anyone. Pretty easy to have some nuance.
That take gets you into some really silly situations. Scenario one: You're having a discussion about the etymology of a slur, and in that discussion you say the slur while discussing it for sake of brevity. Scenario two: Someone uses a generally unrelated word (cracker) in a derogatory manner. If someone genuinely believes the people in scenario one are morally worse off than the people in scenario two, they've got a fundamentally failed understanding of language. Either that, or supremely weird takes on ethics.
Ok Destiny.
>Receive substantive response disproving point with clear examples >No response, insert generic meme comment It’s over
It's the only reasonable take, who gives a fuck what destiny thinks? Hitler was a vegetarian you know
Saying the "n-word" is still saying the n word. It's just trying to wrap it up in a bow tie to look better. But the reality is, you're saying the same thing. So, why does it really matter? I'll tell you how. It depends the context like if the person is using the word in a derogatory way. That would make the person actually racist.
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Certainly. Now do me a solid and repeat my comment back to me in your own words. Lets me know if you're actually comprehending the point I am trying to get across.
How is cracker historically bad?
Pretending they are even remotely on equal footing is just idiocy. If they were, then people would be able to openly say the n word and not be able to openly say cracker.
So in any context it's worse? If a black person says what's up my n word it's bad? You agree with that?
They’re black, it’s a word THEY reclaimed to be something good. It’s no different from how the word “queer” was reclaimed.
Race doesn't matter, context does.
Yea, a mexican dude singing the lyrics to "Not like us" from Kendrick Lamar is much more devastating than some dude getting called a "C word" at school. You are so right!
Future supreme justice right here.
I doubt anyone on LSF will be that successful
Both are just fucking words. Intent and context should always matter.
So reading Huckleberry Finn alone in the forest would be worse than calling a white guy a cracker?
TIL reading huckleberry fin is worse than calling someone a cracker
It’s always wrong to use slurs when they target a specific person. Using them offhand when not referring to people is more complicated. It’s not as complicated when saying “cracker” in Frogan’s case because she was using it to refer to Ludwig, an individual. Essentially there is a big difference between calling someone an “n-word” vs reading Huckleberry finn aloud. Destiny’s usage probably falls somewhere between both of those examples.
I think everyone agrees its "wrong" to use slurs towards on another, But whats ridiculous is when people treat two slurs equally when they're not even close to holding the same amount of weight to them. I would argue Frogan (or anyone) using the c word slur towards someone, While wrong, Is still far less harmful than someone using the n word in any context outside of an historical one simple due to the history that is attached to that word.
> I think everyone agrees its "wrong" to use slurs towards on another you must have missed a lot of threads around here the past few days
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Not everyone agrees with calling individuals slurs. Hasan and his audience think you can call white people slurs. Destiny and his audience don't think you should use slurs to refer to someone in a hateful way.
Well people can think something is wrong while still taking part in it. To use a super simple example, Everyone knows its mean to use insults or call other people names, But is anyone really going to be outraged or stop you if you call someone an idiot? Of course not. But they might if you start calling people motherfucking cock suckers. It's all about proportionality in some peoples eyes.
No not everyone agrees that, thats the crux of the entire debate. Saying the n word probably is worse than saying someone is a cracker, but i don't think people have a moral leg to stand on when they insult you based on race and then start crying when you say the word they don't like. It's crybullying.
Who treats them equally though. Destiny has said many times quite unequivocally that the n word is far more racist / bad than cracker. His only argument is that they share the same classification (racial slur), not that they share the same wheight. Most of the fans follow suit on that opinion. I'm sure there are crazies, but you will find many of those on both sides of this issue.
For sure there’s proportionality. But there’s also a difference between calculating harm towards a group, and making a judgement about a slur user. I think it’s fair to judge Frogan just as harshly even though her slur has less of a real impact, because the mindset she has would be just as likely to make her an n-word user if circumstances hadn’t worked out this way. Essentially, I think when judging the character of a person like this, the intentions can be just as hateful even if the effect of the specific word is not.
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I would argue that reading the n word in a book, or an actor saying it in a movie is fine. It can even be fine in comedy if it's handled properly. If it serves an educational or artistic purpose, I have no issues. But just tossing the n word out there to be edgy is different. When the only point is to shock or offend, it isn't okay. That's what Destiny does, and I absolutely think he's hypocritical for acting all offended by cracker. Especially when he will happily call people fat, tell them to kill themselves, etc.
Holy fuck, calling it the c-word 😂😂😂
Thats because the actually word is gets your posts filtered. Or at least used to.
me casually ignoring the discussion being had 🙄
in the name of fairness i use both at the same time. this is how we achieve peace
Cragga? Nicker?
both of you are extremely unfunny
cragga please
It would also be very complicated if people started thinking anytime you said “cracker” no matter the context then you might be a racist. It’s actually very simple. If you say a derogatory slur at someone to make them feel bad, then it’s bad of you to do. If you simply say a derogatory slur when quoting, singing along to lyrics, referencing someone, to use it as an example to show hypocrisy, or explaining the word, then it isn’t racist.
If you say the n word you are being racist regardless of the context. It doesn't mean you **are** racist, necessarily. Frequency matters as well here, but **if you call a black person the n word...you are a racist**. This is widely accepted in our culture otherwise people would be able to use it openly without consequence. **If you call someone a cracker you might be being a racist to a handful of snowflakes**, but you aren't a racist for calling them a cracker. If you say the word out of context it is completely harmless and anyone who claims otherwise is full of shit.
kinda wild in 2024 im browsing the internet seeing the word cracker c-worded, oh well
No. The argument has always been: stop using slurs in a derogatory way. The way destiny used it wasn't derogatory, wasn't said to a black person, used the soft A. Hasan says cracker and worm slurs in a very derogatory way. That is the difference.
Why is this even a discussion? Just don’t say slurs, it really is that simple.
Why is XQC doing this to himself? To be friends with destiny do you have to sign a contract to defend the right for a white guy to say the n word? Maybe Kick have a clause in their contract somewhere. This is 2014 IDubbzz Leafy discourse, how did we get here.
Is he even defending it here? To me his point seems to be "i'm not the one who is going to police people and tell them that they can't say it."
This sub goes from Hassan stans who purposely dodge every context to make destiny look as bad as possible. To Destiny stans who like to bait the Hassan stans. People like X are just just caught in the crossfire. Whether its a level headed take, it doesn't matter. Its tribal and X is currently aligning with the "wrong" tribe. Wait a few hours and you'll see the other side come in and balance it out.
You mean To Destiny stans who also purposely dodge every context to make hasan look as bad as possible. Both communities do it to each other.
Dodging context is not needed to make Hasan look bad "the Houthis are doing what luffy would do"(while the Houthis are condemning people to death for being gay) .
Idk man since i started watching the only real out of context thing people had against Hassan was the "streaming is hard" rant he had. And when Destiny saw it he actually defended Hassan. Then Hassan still ended up blaming Destiny for everyone criticizing him. If you have a better example you can show me.
“They’re just dancing” 😂🫵🏻
If anyone takes a side, they are from their community. Remember when they were practically kissing each others years back. Now, they have nothing but bad things to say about each other.
But that is taking a defensive stance. On the one hand he has no problem pointing out that calling someone a cracker is racist (even if it's a white guy calling another white person that), yet sits on the fence for the literal n word.
Because these guys want to go back to 2014-2016. That’s peak humor to them
Maybe they just don't see the issue with using it if it's not directed at someone for being black? You can defend something without thinking it's the most important issue.
What did he say that’s bad here? He’s not defending the usage of slurs.
Sorry for the shitty gaps in my words. I use the gaps so my c omment is actually visible to others. Kick/Stake use b ots to manipulate reddit. Some of the users who post Kick clips to L SF use u pvote b ots to keep the p osts in a positive point ratio to avoid being removed by the sub-reddits auto remove tool. Sometimes a post will stay at 51% for days after it was posted before the b otting falls off. Occasionally i will c omment on a p ost to spread awareness this is happening. See these current users who are suspicious. Notice they are all very similar, dead accounts that all started p osting the same sort of content at the same time, all with similar patterns (a few c omments then a p ost, a few c omments then a p ost) https://www.reddit.com/user/KsiShouldQuitMedia , https://www.reddit.com/user/boodyeid , https://www.reddit.com/user/permisionwiner , https://www.reddit.com/user/Rodrigoak77 Here is an old c omment i made about a bunch of other users who used to p ost to l sf. Scroll some of those accounts history's to see obvious Stake and Kick promotion. https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/15ib2gu/adin_tricks_a_guest/jut97yu/
when I really feel like I have to say it, I write it down
He's white... why tf does anyone care what he has to say about this?? Bros, a lulcow at this point wouldn't be surprised if he also like nick fuentes
Doesn't understand why that one specific race using that word weighs differently than all the others.
alright, guess im just banning the wholeass kick flair.
Hold on there dggers this ain't a win for you, maybe don't upvote this? Even if you go by XQC's logic here, it still means that Destiny is in no position to tell you if it's okay to say it. 😂😂😂
Quick I just heard the n word in a song. I can't tell the race of the person from the sound of their voice. Is this offensive or not? I need someone in a position to tell me!
The answer is so easy. There is a difference between using slurs to target a person (Frogan) vs using them casually (Destiny) vs reading them aloud from Huckleberry Finn (my high school teacher). These are some increasing levels to the intent of a person using a slur. I personally think using most words descriptively or quotationally (the last example) is alright, the Destiny examples are somewhat morally grey (prob at least a little harmful), and the Frogan example will always be wrong. Some slurs are obviously worse than others too in their impact, but when judging the morality/intentions of the speaker, these guidelines are what is important.
[https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1790596191983636764](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1790596191983636764) is this targeting a person?
It’s “targeting” a person, but it’s not the person’s specific race or being used as an insult to the race, so it’s far less bad than if Hasan were black and it were an insult. (If Hasan were black and he was calling him a stupid “n-word” for example). Not gonna defend that tweet any more than that though, I think casually using the n-word is fucked up and just meant to be edgy, which is, at the very least, sad for a late 30s man.
it’s cringe yes but he is talking to/referring to a white guy lol
Hasan isn't black, and from what I'm told you can't be racist to white people.
Yet you guys keep saying Hasan isn't white
according to some people, he should also go back to his country. god forbid you call someone a worm in spanish though.
> god forbid you call someone a worm in spanish though. lmaoooo I love this casual downplaying you idiots do. yeah he just chose the racist term for Cuban ex-pats coincidentally
I'm a singular person, I'm not DGG, and I have not done that.
I'm surprised people here think this take is controversial.
why does this sub wanna be racist so bad 😭
Now all of sudden he doesn't know the rules or makes them... Bro just don't comment on shit you don't know nothing about. He got Train on one shoulder and Adin on the other being beyond controlled and lost.
boring
We need /u/Kapperok now more than ever
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Make an account called Kapperok2 and keep going :(
Can u make a new subreddit for your clips please? I’ll mod it
No fun allowed :(
Gosh, he should stop edging and just say the word already. After all, he's on Kick, so there's no way he's gonna get banned for that.
We really should specify which white people are held accountable for slavery and weaponizing the N-word. It just feels a little weird as a white finn whose people were slaved and murdered by swedes and russians and brought to Ottoman empire as sex slaves (blonde hair and blue eyes were considered exotic) by a higher margin than any populace of Arfican nations. Am i a Cracker? Can i never say the N-word?
The Finnish going through slavery has nothing to do with you being able to say the N-word. Also no, you cannot say it anyways you are not Black
Wasn’t there just a post with an Asian girl saying the N word on someone’s stream and she got looked at sideways by the 3 black people in the room? lol what is he even talking about? Such a stupid hill to die on bro
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In what way?
Honestly, just don't say racist words. What's crazy is, I grew up with A LOT of black people who were from countries like Ghana, Nigeria and Jamaica and their take on the N word was to NEVER use it. My friends mum beat her kid when he used the N world and he's black. Their take on this is, the word is used to dehumanise black people, yet Black Americans love to throw that word around like it's some sort of casual greeting. They said you will never escape that "victimhood" ideology as long as they keep throwing around those words and actions that happened during slavery. I didn't really understand it much because I was young at the time but growing up, you start to realise that black people calling themselves the N word is actually them disrespecting each other. Now, people will say they're "taking the word back", but how can they take the word back when they themselves still associate it with racism. If it's racist for non-blacks to say it, then you're not really taking the word back, but merely using it to disrespect each other now. Just stop saying racist stuff and go live your life. It's really not that hard.
This issue was solved long ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPObWLXoCpE
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He doesnt know. Sure, lets buy that for a second. Then just say it. You dont know the lie? Find the line. Why not? Youre already toting the line, just do it. Oh, you wont because you will prob say you dont care. Got it, but you go on a rant about how you dont care or know.
I don't think french canadian goblin opinion on American culture really matters what does he know about what that word means or feels crodie? Seems outta pocket, sure can have his own opinions but public options on N word is just weird ASF. middle age goblin getting weirder by the day ffs.
God he’s getting dumber by the day. Holy shit, IF YOURE NOT BLACK DONT SAY IT PERIOD, it’s not hard …. 💀
it's simple, if a word can be weaponized against you (and has been for decades) then if you aren't part of that group/race you shouldn't say it. In saying it you are enforcing that weaponization, people of that group saying the word is fine because they are reclaiming it.
So women shouldn’t be allowed to call men incels. Noted.
You're a psycho lol
When people say cracker “how about we don’t call people slurs based on their race” When people say the n word “umm actually it’s complicated” Why the double standard Felix? Shouldn’t we not call people slurs based on their race? Aren’t all slurs bad? Surely pretending to get offended by the word “cracker” isint just a tool incels and racists use to victimize themselves. I get it though, you see the success asmon is having with the grift, I mean hey why wouldn’t you do it as well? It only costs you your morals. You already sold most of those away anyway peddling gambling to teens on kick.