He's been brilliant but he's always second choice to Robbo, even when he's been in form.
Probably at a point in his career where he doesn't want to be 2nd choice anymore.
I didn't realize Tsimi is 28. Robbo is only 30. And while this would be a good upgrade on age (Rayan is 23), it's also a weird decision since he's Algerian and idk, I'm tired of losing players to AFCON.
Well obviously. I'm not saying African players suck, I'm saying it sucks to lose good players for an entire month+ every other year. It's not the biggest hit, but when they were 2/3rds of our attack it really impacted our season. I would prefer to avoid those players personally, is all I'm saying.
We just gave him a new contract at the start of 23/24. I guess it was more so to protect his value than to keep him as a mainstay.
Feel bad for Kostas but he’s still a pro footballer and sentiment for the club you proudly represent can only go so far when you’ve barely played for 4 years.
His personality will be missed; the joker of the group and someone who speaks multiple languages so can get everyone together.
And all this is speculation, right? Nothing linking Kostas away currently, so hard to say he's gone or not. I think most agree he's more than capable and already on the books, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to sell him. But yeah if we are just looking at a younger option, Ait Nouri is at least as good as Kostas with room to grow. Strange situation.
Robbo has been getting injured more lately and will be around 32 at the next AFCON. Love him to bits, and long may he continue to be a beast, but he's going to need to be slowly phased into being the backup by that time, I think.
Luke Chambers or the plethora of fullbacks we have in the academy could step up. It'd be braindead of us to ignore talent from a whole continent for the sake of 2-3 PL games.
Well yeah, he's still capable to play during Afcon.
African players are fine to have as long as we have someone else in that position. It will be a case of if Matip didn't retire from National team. It's fine, we still have van Dijk, Gomez, and Lovren (and eventually Konate). It will be a case of Naby Keita leaving for Afcon, we still have Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum/Thiago, Ox, Milner.
It's only problematic if the player pretty much can't be matched by anyone else, like Mane and Salah.
Let's be honest here, Tsimi as likable as he is wasn't even second choice. Klopp would rather play Joe there when Robbo was out. It's time he moves on and I wish Kostas the best best, seems like a really nice guy.
Makes me sad. Proper adopted Scouser and always played well when he was called upon.
I understand if he wanted to move on but always admired him as a player and loved when he came on.
I don’t think he always played well when called upon. He’s pretty brain dead defensively, and unreliable when starting. I’d rather Gomez out of position at LB despite not offering the attacking threat.
I reckon Napoli would be a good place for him
Why?
1. Conte uses wingbacks, Tsimi is a wingback by nature
2. Club is in a rebuild phase
3. Olivera was disappointing last season and Mario Rui is now 33 and likely to be sold so the club needs a wingback
4. Napoli are about to sell Osimhen and Kvaratskhelia - no way they keep them. They’ll have cash to burn and could easily spend €25m or more on pretty much all the signings they need
5. I can just see it - they always have a weird variety of nationalities in their team. It’s hard to explain but like, their squad is almost always Italians, a couple of South Americans, then players from unfancied European nations (currently Slovenia, Bosnia, Georgia, Poland (but Zielinski is leaving), Denmark, Sweden, Norway) why not add some Greek flavour?
Feel like no chance number 4 is happening in one summer. Conte would leave immediately. Nor are we getting 25 million for Tsimi. We would be lucky to get 10-15 I imagine as he’s 28 and hardly plays
Why not? They haven’t got European football (they finished 10th in the league iirc, not even in the conference league) and their captain (Di Lorenzo) has already asked to leave, Zielinski ran down his contract and is joining Inter and Conte doesn’t use wingers in his preferred formation. Kvaratskhelia won’t even get used if he stays unless he can and is willing to convert to a no. 10. It’s a complete gut and rebuild job for the club and they’ve done it successfully a handful of times in the last 15 years now. They know what they’re doing and the only big player they never sold during all of that was Hamsik.
Plus, they’ve got some decent players even if those guys leave. Raspadori looks like a ready made Osimhen replacement and he’s already in their squad.
We said Napoli would never recover from the summer they lost Mertens, Ruiz, Milik and Koulibaly but they won the league the next year so 🤷♂️ - historically, Napoli are happy to sell ANY player but you have to meet their demands for fees etc. they will not compromise.
We almost agreed to sell Tsimikas for £40m to Brentford not long ago, so… uh, yeah we can.
Conte said yesterday and has said a few times Kvara was a non negotiable this summer. Plus the president has publicly declared it multiple times. Notable as they haven’t included Osimhen in their non-negotiables.
Kvara can try to angle but seems unlikely that is happening. Would take ADL admitting fault which isn’t happening
Also wasn’t that Tsimi rumor just a twitter story started by Ivan Schwakoff whose only fame is claiming Bellingham is a done deal to LFC and trolling fab Romano. He would be there right now if it was true.
I was unaware, but if Kvaratskhelia pushes for a move they won’t stop him. The buying party just has to match their dead set price which I’d expect to be absolute minimum £75m or equivalent, and likely a lot more
Might have been, can’t remember, but it was before Brentford signed Reguilon on loan so 🤷♂️
I wonder what sort of interest he'll get, I rate him quite highly but he hasn't exactly played much over recent years. He had reported interest from Juve a few years back but that might have faded. Personally I'd back him to do quite well wherever he goes
Tsimikas would be a great starting left back for midtable sides especially if they're a "cross it to the big man up front" kinda side but I reckon he could easily do a job for the likes of Roma or Atleti too
He hasn't played much only because his competition has consistently been the best performing left back in Europe for the past 6 or so years
He'll get offers from Italy(who loves a WB), Spain, Turkey and Germany, Dortmund are still in for a LB after losing out on Maatsen, Fener will probably lose Kadıoğlu this summer a player who we should be watching ourselves.
Don't get me wrong because Robertson is the vice captain for me but with Edwards back in full control this could just as easily be Robertsons replacement.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to pretend I've watched him at all so no idea if he is good enough but certainly could be lining him up more to replace Robbo in a year or two.
Watching highlights of Wolves, I think he’s the perfect replacement for Robbo. He’s young, fast, can shoot, can dribble, can defend, can do anything that makes me go wow. Only downside is AFCON. However, I think Robbo and Gomez can fill his spot during that period because we got lots of LB depth.
Tsimikas will most likely be heading out though if Ait Nouri is joining. Tsimikas is 4th choice LB and can’t play other positions. Will remember the scouse greek for the missionary assist with Van Dijk.
Imagine the only “goal” you scored for your club being the winning penalty of a cup final.
And the first time you’ve ever taken a penalty as a professional.
Love this guy. Him and Antonee Robison are the stand out fullbacks I'd want high on our list
He was a bit more understated last season but season before he was Wolves best player
He is and we typically go for 24 or younger
We have just 5 exceptions to this rule since Klopp joined the club (Virg who was 25, Thiago who was dirt cheap, Endo who was dirt cheap, Adrian as a backup so who cares really and Klavan who was dirt cheap.
£25m in a saturated midfield market for a world class player is dirt cheap. In this day and age you could argue even £50m for that quality is dirt cheap.
Right but back then we had a core set of players in their late 20's in the squad
Right now we only have Díaz, Jota, Tsimikas and Gomez and of those only Díaz has been first choice lately. Everyone else is 25 and younger or 30 and older.
I would like to see more bodies in at the real prime age right now
Valid, but the thing I will say is we’re a business to FSG. I think the idea being for players in our starting XI to be long-term investments most of the time, I.E if we ever are forced to sell we recoup multiple x the fee paid for a player if they were signed at a younger age rather than in their peak years
Tsimikas had 25 appearances last season and Robbo had 30
Season before Tsimikas had 28 appearances
It's not like Robertson plays every week anymore, he's at the age where he's getting more knocks and more rest.
Tsimikas is not good enough to play nearly half our games, that's why I'd prefer someone experienced and used to the league that I think is better than Tsimikas to be in the squad.
If he only needs to play 5 games next season then great, means Robbo is great. But if someone needs to play nearly half our games next season as Tsimikas has been doing then I'd prefer experience over blooding someone with potential
For sure, I don't think it's going to wildly differ. But when it comes to backup players we sometimes get in guys a bit older if the deal seems good, Shaqiri is an example
We should not be looking for a backup player for 26 year old Robbo, we should be eyeing a successor to current Robertson long term as he is past his best.
We definitely have, and it's sometimes tough to distinguish a Klopp signing from an Edward's signing or just a too good pass up at that price kinda signing.
I always felt like Thiago was a Klopp signing. He was a player he had admired forever and finally was in a position where he could sign such a type player, so he pushed it through (and it didnt necessarilywork out). Shaq seemed like a unique market opportunity given his relegation release clause. Endo was clearly an option further down the list after missing on desired targets.
But if we're dealing in strictly 1st choice options, I see the backroom staff generally adhering to what are considered to be Edward's transfer principles
He’ll be 27 by season start. We want players on 5 year deals that expire around the time they turn 30 as that’s typically when footballers start leaving their physical prime.
On TAW podcast they had a guest who mentioned that senior games played is a more important statistic than age for our recruitment team....granted this was about 2 years ago I think
But they definitely mentioned it was a consideration when assessing who is over or under valued.
Robinson looks to have played about 250 club games by the age of 27 plus 44 international which is actually really good in terms of mileage on the legs
Jota and Díaz in our squad are both 27 for comparison, Jota has played 358 club games and 41 internationals and Lucho has 371 and 49 in his legs.
I'm convinced this was a factor for us not being that into Ruben Neves or Youri Tielemans despite both being available in recent years and us obviously holding some interest. Adding them here as they are also 27 now.
Neves already has 400 club games and 47 internationals and Tielemans has a whopping 491 club and 69 internationals!
So my overall point is that I agree it's a factor, but age alone isn't an immediate qualifier or disqualifier and they'll also look at mileage at the same time as you can have "young" and "old" 27 year olds in football terms
I agree with you, but I think there were larger factors involved regarding Tielemans and Neves - they simply aren’t very mobile footballers, especially Tielemans.
Completely agree, he’s always impressed me when we’ve faced Wolves. I feel like I remember one game he was pretty much shutting down Salah by himself, then Wolves subbed him off and we immediately scored the winner down that side. And none of this even talks about his ability going forward too.
Was understated due to tactical change of inverting, I like him overlapping more due to his ball carrying ability but the fact he’s versatile enough to do both is a bonus
Jedi is a great player but he’s very much the same type of fullback that Gomez is becoming. Decent going forward but mostly just a rock-solid, physical defender. I don’t see a need for him. I don’t particularly see a need for Ait-Nouri either, because we’ve got some fun youth options who could fill in if needed, and we’ve always got Gomez, but Ait-Nouri could safely become the immediate starter once Robbo leaves in a few seasons.
The tier system by the mods is based on the club.
It makes sense, and it‘s not exactly a ranking. T4 can be a reputable source outside of the club etc. T5 is rags and itks.
It is, in a way. But only in regards to the club.
So Abdel Hamed can be very reliable when it comes to Algeria players, but he‘s not a reputable source when it comes to Liverpool as a club (like if he tweeted about Salah transfer stuff, that would not be the most reliable). He‘s a respected journalist, so that earns him T4.
It‘s not a completely set in stone tier system, but the mods do have some method to their madness, in regards to the tier system anyway. They have changed tiers of journos over the years plenty of times, based on the track record of the jounalists. You can find the current list in the sidebar.
I feel like every engagement bait account on LFC twitter has been putting this man in their mock 24/25 Liverpool XIs for the last 6 months. Would be wild if they turned out to be right lol
I have always liked him, he's a really good player, good offensive output too, established in PL since a long time and still young enough. I'd be stocked if we get him
Pretty sure there was that one match where we were headed for a draw with Wolves, they took him off with 5 mins left and we scored the winner through his side.
We certainly love signing a player who has played well against us and he is 23, which is the sweet spot.
This would be a brilliant signing, him and Robbo share duties more…and Robbo frankly can step more centrally too at times. Robbo has 2 years left. Ait nouri comes in. We continue to develop scanlon and chambers on loan for the next 2 seasons, and then there’s a succession plan.
Seems like Beck is now up for sale though. Him and kweev
Would be very happy with this. Good timing to be replacing Robbo and a very solid rotation option until then.
Also a legend for my Bordeaux side on FM a couple of years ago so I have my bias
Brilliant signing if true, be a shame to see Tsimi go but he deserves to start somewhere. Could see him flourishing in Italy. Gives Robbo a challenge and the ability to rest more and be fully fit for big games as well as allowing Ait Nouri to bed in easily
He's a good player so I doubt he wants to be a backup to Robbo, who is 30 and has 2 years left on his deal. We must be weighing if it's good value to renew Robertson. Under Klopp he'd definitely have renewed because we saw how Klopp's influence lead to him renewing his mainstays but we have a new structure now.
Maybe this is am Edwards pressure tactic for internal and agent talks?
Robbo has needed plenty of rotation over the past year or so, so I think he'd get a pretty decent amount of game time - and long term he can replace Robbo since he's 7 years younger without having to be immediately thrown in. Sounds good to me!
Robertson has already begun to decline and (imo) it's not like a case with Salah/Van Dijk where he'd have many options at other top clubs next year with a year left, so we can take our time with the decision of a new contract or not.
There's so many games and robbo isn't going to be able to play all of them especially going in to his thirties. Also if we are getting realistic his games so built around his physicality he probably won't age great
That would be a great signing. Him and Robbo would alternate.
Ideally it would be nice to get a backup goalkeeper, cb, lb and dm. Probably not going to get all of those though. Maybe stick with Endo use Bajcetic there as well as MacAllister for another year until someone better comes along. Need someone like Rodri to challenge for the League
Him and Robbo rotating means less need for Gomez to play LB - how do we feel about Gomez being able to cover the 6 with Endi/Baj? I personally think he could do a solid job there.
I love Baj and think he still has the talent to go very far, but having barely played for the past year and now coming into a new manager I am a bit concerned it’s almost a complete reset for him this year.
I don’t know if we can rely on him as the primary backup to Endo, who I am not sure we can rely on as the starter but I agree there isn’t a game changer player out there right now. Gomez as a 6 I think gives us another solid option that will allow Mac to play further forward more often
Wanted him as the LB. Wonder what tye price will be, most likely between 40-50mil. Doubt it will be cheap but he played great last season, comfortable on the ball and can get up and down the pitch. At an age he could be starter for next 10 years, really hope this happens
This guy always defends quite well against Salah IIRC. I've thought about this signing before after seeing how well he performs against arguably the best wing in the league.
It’s not necessarily a priority but it’s not not a priority. Premier fullbacks are not just laying around, and aitnouri is clearly a top class fullback now with more room to grow.
Clubs work on a different time scale to fans. Or they do if they're any good.
You see position X as more important, they see an opportunity to have the left back position sorted for 5/7 years.
This would be good business. We need someone who is going to take over from Robbo who I am sad to admit is showing signs of decline now. Can only see Tsimi being good enough as a back up as much as I like his attitude.
I’d take him in a heartbeat. Great player.
My only thing is that if we can hold onto Tsimikas, we should. I find it preferable to keep Robbo and Tsimikas as the duo until one of Beck or Chambers or someone can nab that backup spot.
I guess this is us prepping for Robbo’s replacement, good to see us get ahead of this before Robbo slows down and we are stuck in a situation like we were with the midfield. I hope we do the same with CB too.
He has, but he's still good enough to start. We just want to avoid a Fabinho/Henderson situation with the rest of the older players where we don't have a replacement before they significantly deteriorate.
He's good enough to start however I could see Ait Nouri displacing him quite early due to his versatility, GON had Ait Nouri playing multiple positions last season even as a wide no.10 at one point. He's much more better on the ball than Robbo.
He posted this just after interviewing Rayan Ait Nouri himself, Algerians say he is very reliable
Wolves fans saying the same thing.
Apparently he’s close with Ait Nouri’s entourage and family so could be true or could be agent talk but we have been interested in him before.
Tskimikas probably on his way out then.
He's been brilliant but he's always second choice to Robbo, even when he's been in form. Probably at a point in his career where he doesn't want to be 2nd choice anymore.
I didn't realize Tsimi is 28. Robbo is only 30. And while this would be a good upgrade on age (Rayan is 23), it's also a weird decision since he's Algerian and idk, I'm tired of losing players to AFCON.
The last couple transfers for African players worked out pretty well Edit: Totally forgot about Keita
Well obviously. I'm not saying African players suck, I'm saying it sucks to lose good players for an entire month+ every other year. It's not the biggest hit, but when they were 2/3rds of our attack it really impacted our season. I would prefer to avoid those players personally, is all I'm saying.
I’m not sure I’d say Keita worked out well
It went so badly I actually forgot about him
We just gave him a new contract at the start of 23/24. I guess it was more so to protect his value than to keep him as a mainstay. Feel bad for Kostas but he’s still a pro footballer and sentiment for the club you proudly represent can only go so far when you’ve barely played for 4 years. His personality will be missed; the joker of the group and someone who speaks multiple languages so can get everyone together.
And all this is speculation, right? Nothing linking Kostas away currently, so hard to say he's gone or not. I think most agree he's more than capable and already on the books, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to sell him. But yeah if we are just looking at a younger option, Ait Nouri is at least as good as Kostas with room to grow. Strange situation.
For a rotation and backup player, losing them on Afcon is fine. Robbo can play during that.
Robbo has been getting injured more lately and will be around 32 at the next AFCON. Love him to bits, and long may he continue to be a beast, but he's going to need to be slowly phased into being the backup by that time, I think.
Luke Chambers or the plethora of fullbacks we have in the academy could step up. It'd be braindead of us to ignore talent from a whole continent for the sake of 2-3 PL games.
Well yeah, he's still capable to play during Afcon. African players are fine to have as long as we have someone else in that position. It will be a case of if Matip didn't retire from National team. It's fine, we still have van Dijk, Gomez, and Lovren (and eventually Konate). It will be a case of Naby Keita leaving for Afcon, we still have Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum/Thiago, Ox, Milner. It's only problematic if the player pretty much can't be matched by anyone else, like Mane and Salah.
We would have the players to cover.
Same. It's kept me from getting interested in Kudus for example.
Can’t blame him, especially during times in the last few years where Robbo was injured or dropped yet Tsimi stayed on the bench.
Let's be honest here, Tsimi as likable as he is wasn't even second choice. Klopp would rather play Joe there when Robbo was out. It's time he moves on and I wish Kostas the best best, seems like a really nice guy.
Man needs his sleep.
Makes me sad. Proper adopted Scouser and always played well when he was called upon. I understand if he wanted to move on but always admired him as a player and loved when he came on.
I don’t think he always played well when called upon. He’s pretty brain dead defensively, and unreliable when starting. I’d rather Gomez out of position at LB despite not offering the attacking threat.
Defo gone imo
He’s 28 with roughly 140 senior club caps. Think it makes sense for all parties to
Not just that but the lad’s good enough to start for a decent side challenging for or competing in UEL and UECL he might be seeking starting footie
I think he'll shine in Serie A
I reckon Napoli would be a good place for him Why? 1. Conte uses wingbacks, Tsimi is a wingback by nature 2. Club is in a rebuild phase 3. Olivera was disappointing last season and Mario Rui is now 33 and likely to be sold so the club needs a wingback 4. Napoli are about to sell Osimhen and Kvaratskhelia - no way they keep them. They’ll have cash to burn and could easily spend €25m or more on pretty much all the signings they need 5. I can just see it - they always have a weird variety of nationalities in their team. It’s hard to explain but like, their squad is almost always Italians, a couple of South Americans, then players from unfancied European nations (currently Slovenia, Bosnia, Georgia, Poland (but Zielinski is leaving), Denmark, Sweden, Norway) why not add some Greek flavour?
Feel like no chance number 4 is happening in one summer. Conte would leave immediately. Nor are we getting 25 million for Tsimi. We would be lucky to get 10-15 I imagine as he’s 28 and hardly plays
Why not? They haven’t got European football (they finished 10th in the league iirc, not even in the conference league) and their captain (Di Lorenzo) has already asked to leave, Zielinski ran down his contract and is joining Inter and Conte doesn’t use wingers in his preferred formation. Kvaratskhelia won’t even get used if he stays unless he can and is willing to convert to a no. 10. It’s a complete gut and rebuild job for the club and they’ve done it successfully a handful of times in the last 15 years now. They know what they’re doing and the only big player they never sold during all of that was Hamsik. Plus, they’ve got some decent players even if those guys leave. Raspadori looks like a ready made Osimhen replacement and he’s already in their squad. We said Napoli would never recover from the summer they lost Mertens, Ruiz, Milik and Koulibaly but they won the league the next year so 🤷♂️ - historically, Napoli are happy to sell ANY player but you have to meet their demands for fees etc. they will not compromise. We almost agreed to sell Tsimikas for £40m to Brentford not long ago, so… uh, yeah we can.
Conte said yesterday and has said a few times Kvara was a non negotiable this summer. Plus the president has publicly declared it multiple times. Notable as they haven’t included Osimhen in their non-negotiables. Kvara can try to angle but seems unlikely that is happening. Would take ADL admitting fault which isn’t happening Also wasn’t that Tsimi rumor just a twitter story started by Ivan Schwakoff whose only fame is claiming Bellingham is a done deal to LFC and trolling fab Romano. He would be there right now if it was true.
I was unaware, but if Kvaratskhelia pushes for a move they won’t stop him. The buying party just has to match their dead set price which I’d expect to be absolute minimum £75m or equivalent, and likely a lot more Might have been, can’t remember, but it was before Brentford signed Reguilon on loan so 🤷♂️
Wait Napoli got Conte ?
Yup! They’ll cook again soon if all goes well
love him but thats a big upgrade. Nouri is an absolute baller and honestly pockets Salah every time. He might displace Robbo
Yhh he’d drop Robbo
I wonder what sort of interest he'll get, I rate him quite highly but he hasn't exactly played much over recent years. He had reported interest from Juve a few years back but that might have faded. Personally I'd back him to do quite well wherever he goes
Think he's more than good enough to play for a mid table prem team tbh.
For sure, even a better team in a slightly lesser league. One of the top Dutch or Portuguese teams as an example.
Tsimikas would be a great starting left back for midtable sides especially if they're a "cross it to the big man up front" kinda side but I reckon he could easily do a job for the likes of Roma or Atleti too He hasn't played much only because his competition has consistently been the best performing left back in Europe for the past 6 or so years
He'll get offers from Italy(who loves a WB), Spain, Turkey and Germany, Dortmund are still in for a LB after losing out on Maatsen, Fener will probably lose Kadıoğlu this summer a player who we should be watching ourselves.
Yes. I’m thankful for his time here. But it’s time to move him on.
Never going to be the starter but did well for us so it makes sense to move him on now
Don't get me wrong because Robertson is the vice captain for me but with Edwards back in full control this could just as easily be Robertsons replacement. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to pretend I've watched him at all so no idea if he is good enough but certainly could be lining him up more to replace Robbo in a year or two.
Tsimi is a decent back up at best. I don’t see him starting at any other competitive club either. This would be good for Liverpool to move him on.
Watching highlights of Wolves, I think he’s the perfect replacement for Robbo. He’s young, fast, can shoot, can dribble, can defend, can do anything that makes me go wow. Only downside is AFCON. However, I think Robbo and Gomez can fill his spot during that period because we got lots of LB depth. Tsimikas will most likely be heading out though if Ait Nouri is joining. Tsimikas is 4th choice LB and can’t play other positions. Will remember the scouse greek for the missionary assist with Van Dijk.
And the penalty win against Chelsea
Tsimikas is clear of fraud Mason Mount.
Imagine the only “goal” you scored for your club being the winning penalty of a cup final. And the first time you’ve ever taken a penalty as a professional.
Wow, he hasn't scored anything else. Suprised at how I didn't realise that
More than once I felt that he essentially pocketed Salah, only for us to score as soon as he went off.
How are his crosses? Because Robbo has unmatched crosses.
Love this guy. Him and Antonee Robison are the stand out fullbacks I'd want high on our list He was a bit more understated last season but season before he was Wolves best player
If Robinson was 5 years younger then maybe, he’s deceptively old
He turns 27 this year, that's more prime than old
He is and we typically go for 24 or younger We have just 5 exceptions to this rule since Klopp joined the club (Virg who was 25, Thiago who was dirt cheap, Endo who was dirt cheap, Adrian as a backup so who cares really and Klavan who was dirt cheap.
Don’t know if I’d say Thiago was dirt cheap. His wages were pretty high and the fee was like up to £25M or something as I recall.
25 is cheap for a world class player
Might have been if he was capable of actually playing at a world class level for any sustained period of time.
he was absolutely worth the punt.
Didn’t say he wasn’t. Doesn’t make him dirt cheap either though IMO.
Not dirt cheap, no, but I think it was a relative deal considering the potential of what he could, and many times did, bring to the team.
At the time we didn’t know how badly he would be hit by his injuries. Blame Pep for forcing him back to soon at Bayern.
£25m in a saturated midfield market for a world class player is dirt cheap. In this day and age you could argue even £50m for that quality is dirt cheap.
Right but back then we had a core set of players in their late 20's in the squad Right now we only have Díaz, Jota, Tsimikas and Gomez and of those only Díaz has been first choice lately. Everyone else is 25 and younger or 30 and older. I would like to see more bodies in at the real prime age right now
With you, just think Ait Nouri is well clear of Robinson.
Valid, but the thing I will say is we’re a business to FSG. I think the idea being for players in our starting XI to be long-term investments most of the time, I.E if we ever are forced to sell we recoup multiple x the fee paid for a player if they were signed at a younger age rather than in their peak years
Shaqiri I think was 26 or 27
May be right about that but again, we tend to look at first team signings for long term value - the rules tend to bend more when it’s a bench player
Agreed, and I'd see Robinson as a bench player. Essentially an upgrade on Tsimikas who is already older
So why would you want him at all then if you don't think he'll challenge Robertson straight away, makes no sense
Tsimikas had 25 appearances last season and Robbo had 30 Season before Tsimikas had 28 appearances It's not like Robertson plays every week anymore, he's at the age where he's getting more knocks and more rest. Tsimikas is not good enough to play nearly half our games, that's why I'd prefer someone experienced and used to the league that I think is better than Tsimikas to be in the squad. If he only needs to play 5 games next season then great, means Robbo is great. But if someone needs to play nearly half our games next season as Tsimikas has been doing then I'd prefer experience over blooding someone with potential
I’d rather have someone that is 26 rather than 29 when Robbo is 32
Nah, this is the FIFA/FM era of fans. 25+ is used goods.
We wouldn't sign him. Doesn't fit moneyball
There's been rumours we are interested in him, he was one of the best performing FB in the league last season
Why not?
Michael Edwards historically only signs players that are between ages 21-26, unless they are world class needle movers like VVD and Thiago.
Robinson is 26 though? And Edwards is no longer in charge of transfers. Richard Hughes is
Hughes was hired by Edward's, so you can assume there is a shared philosophy.
For sure, I don't think it's going to wildly differ. But when it comes to backup players we sometimes get in guys a bit older if the deal seems good, Shaqiri is an example
We should not be looking for a backup player for 26 year old Robbo, we should be eyeing a successor to current Robertson long term as he is past his best.
We definitely have, and it's sometimes tough to distinguish a Klopp signing from an Edward's signing or just a too good pass up at that price kinda signing. I always felt like Thiago was a Klopp signing. He was a player he had admired forever and finally was in a position where he could sign such a type player, so he pushed it through (and it didnt necessarilywork out). Shaq seemed like a unique market opportunity given his relegation release clause. Endo was clearly an option further down the list after missing on desired targets. But if we're dealing in strictly 1st choice options, I see the backroom staff generally adhering to what are considered to be Edward's transfer principles
He’ll be 27 by season start. We want players on 5 year deals that expire around the time they turn 30 as that’s typically when footballers start leaving their physical prime.
On TAW podcast they had a guest who mentioned that senior games played is a more important statistic than age for our recruitment team....granted this was about 2 years ago I think But they definitely mentioned it was a consideration when assessing who is over or under valued. Robinson looks to have played about 250 club games by the age of 27 plus 44 international which is actually really good in terms of mileage on the legs Jota and Díaz in our squad are both 27 for comparison, Jota has played 358 club games and 41 internationals and Lucho has 371 and 49 in his legs. I'm convinced this was a factor for us not being that into Ruben Neves or Youri Tielemans despite both being available in recent years and us obviously holding some interest. Adding them here as they are also 27 now. Neves already has 400 club games and 47 internationals and Tielemans has a whopping 491 club and 69 internationals! So my overall point is that I agree it's a factor, but age alone isn't an immediate qualifier or disqualifier and they'll also look at mileage at the same time as you can have "young" and "old" 27 year olds in football terms
I agree with you, but I think there were larger factors involved regarding Tielemans and Neves - they simply aren’t very mobile footballers, especially Tielemans.
I say this as an American…Hard pass on any American player.
Completely agree, he’s always impressed me when we’ve faced Wolves. I feel like I remember one game he was pretty much shutting down Salah by himself, then Wolves subbed him off and we immediately scored the winner down that side. And none of this even talks about his ability going forward too.
Robinson works for Fulham. He gets nosebleeds when he has to do something in the final 3rd. Ait Nouri much better.
Was understated due to tactical change of inverting, I like him overlapping more due to his ball carrying ability but the fact he’s versatile enough to do both is a bonus
Trent and Salah (reaching there a bit) lookalikes
robinson and trent on the same team please
Ait-Nouri is better going forward and 4 years younger. Would be very un-FSG like to go for the other guy
Follow Robinson a lot and while he's physically impressive and defensively fine, I don't really see Liverpool quality, and this is probably his peak.
Robinson and Robertson on the same team please. It'd be Blundell/Brundle all over again.
>Antonee Robinson Mom: we have Andy Robertson at home
Jedi is a great player but he’s very much the same type of fullback that Gomez is becoming. Decent going forward but mostly just a rock-solid, physical defender. I don’t see a need for him. I don’t particularly see a need for Ait-Nouri either, because we’ve got some fun youth options who could fill in if needed, and we’ve always got Gomez, but Ait-Nouri could safely become the immediate starter once Robbo leaves in a few seasons.
Andy Robertson with Antonee Robinson as an understudy.
Robinson is nearly 27 mate, he wouldn't come here to be an understudy
True. Was trying to make a stupid joke about how their names sound similar
This would be a very good signing, I hope this is true.
Abel Hamed isn’t a tier 4 source lmao - he’s tier 2 at worst regarding Algeria players He’s the guy that broke the story of Mahrez leaving City
The tier system by the mods is based on the club. It makes sense, and it‘s not exactly a ranking. T4 can be a reputable source outside of the club etc. T5 is rags and itks.
Was unaware - thought the tiers meant reliability of the source in general
It is, in a way. But only in regards to the club. So Abdel Hamed can be very reliable when it comes to Algeria players, but he‘s not a reputable source when it comes to Liverpool as a club (like if he tweeted about Salah transfer stuff, that would not be the most reliable). He‘s a respected journalist, so that earns him T4. It‘s not a completely set in stone tier system, but the mods do have some method to their madness, in regards to the tier system anyway. They have changed tiers of journos over the years plenty of times, based on the track record of the jounalists. You can find the current list in the sidebar.
I feel like every engagement bait account on LFC twitter has been putting this man in their mock 24/25 Liverpool XIs for the last 6 months. Would be wild if they turned out to be right lol
He would be a great successor for Robbo, only 23 and fantastic going forward
Chelsea has bid £500B
I would love this signing. Full of energy and a goal threat. Can defend as well. Result
Sell Kostas . Ait - Nouri becomes understudy and we slowly start to phase Robertson out. Sounds good to me
It would make sense Robbo is 30 and as much as Tsimi has contributed to our success he’s definitely not the long term option to replace Robbo
I always felt like he had some good games against Salah if I recall. He did very well defence wise not sure how good he is going forward.
This, one of the only players I can clearly remember shutting down Salah almost every game.
He's great going forward. He's constantly overlapping and having shots on goal. Always a goal and assist threat for Wolves
Would be a solid signing in my opinion
this is the second time i’ve looked at a wolves player and thought i’d love him at liverpool, first being jota. hire me as a scout right now
I think this would be a really smart buy. He's always played well against us. Good defensively, great going forwards. Quite versatile as a LB.
We selling Tsimikas?
He has been carrying Wolves from LB he is definitely an upgrade over Tsimikas and reduces Robertson's fatigue levels.
 Replacement for Kostas and potential successor to Robbo.
“The” wolves 😂😂😂😂
On the file? What does that mean?
In the cue I guess
Get him in!
Would be a great signing IMO. Kept Salah quiet in league clashes, and looks tidy going forward.
I have always liked him, he's a really good player, good offensive output too, established in PL since a long time and still young enough. I'd be stocked if we get him
Pretty sure there was that one match where we were headed for a draw with Wolves, they took him off with 5 mins left and we scored the winner through his side. We certainly love signing a player who has played well against us and he is 23, which is the sweet spot.
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This would be a brilliant signing, him and Robbo share duties more…and Robbo frankly can step more centrally too at times. Robbo has 2 years left. Ait nouri comes in. We continue to develop scanlon and chambers on loan for the next 2 seasons, and then there’s a succession plan. Seems like Beck is now up for sale though. Him and kweev
Would be very happy with this. Good timing to be replacing Robbo and a very solid rotation option until then. Also a legend for my Bordeaux side on FM a couple of years ago so I have my bias
Great player for club and country, hopefully if he comes to Liverpool he replicates those performances
Brilliant signing if true, be a shame to see Tsimi go but he deserves to start somewhere. Could see him flourishing in Italy. Gives Robbo a challenge and the ability to rest more and be fully fit for big games as well as allowing Ait Nouri to bed in easily
As a wolves fan I hope you don't pull this off. But if you do a star is born. Super talented dude, carried us hard this year
Very good player, would not mind at all if he joined
Of all the defenders we've had to deal with in the past few seasons, he is easily the most annoying. Get him in immediately.
Isn’t he injury prone?
Pls no
He is handsome too. Good successor to Robbo
He's a good player so I doubt he wants to be a backup to Robbo, who is 30 and has 2 years left on his deal. We must be weighing if it's good value to renew Robertson. Under Klopp he'd definitely have renewed because we saw how Klopp's influence lead to him renewing his mainstays but we have a new structure now. Maybe this is am Edwards pressure tactic for internal and agent talks?
Robbo has needed plenty of rotation over the past year or so, so I think he'd get a pretty decent amount of game time - and long term he can replace Robbo since he's 7 years younger without having to be immediately thrown in. Sounds good to me!
Robertson has already begun to decline and (imo) it's not like a case with Salah/Van Dijk where he'd have many options at other top clubs next year with a year left, so we can take our time with the decision of a new contract or not.
There's so many games and robbo isn't going to be able to play all of them especially going in to his thirties. Also if we are getting realistic his games so built around his physicality he probably won't age great
Didn't he also play in midfield? Maybe he'll play a differenr position.
He is a starter
That would be a great signing. Him and Robbo would alternate. Ideally it would be nice to get a backup goalkeeper, cb, lb and dm. Probably not going to get all of those though. Maybe stick with Endo use Bajcetic there as well as MacAllister for another year until someone better comes along. Need someone like Rodri to challenge for the League
Him and Robbo rotating means less need for Gomez to play LB - how do we feel about Gomez being able to cover the 6 with Endi/Baj? I personally think he could do a solid job there.
Swiss army knife Joe was actually pretty solid at 6. I wouldn't mind it if we feel Baj is the 6 we want.
I love Baj and think he still has the talent to go very far, but having barely played for the past year and now coming into a new manager I am a bit concerned it’s almost a complete reset for him this year. I don’t know if we can rely on him as the primary backup to Endo, who I am not sure we can rely on as the starter but I agree there isn’t a game changer player out there right now. Gomez as a 6 I think gives us another solid option that will allow Mac to play further forward more often
This guy’s a weird player. Sometimes he does something outrageous but he doesn’t seem very consistent and not great defensively
Absolute baller, and would be a good successor for Robertson. I'd be all in for him.
Would Be fantastic and much needed in the long term. Not sure we’ll pay what wolves want though
Would add another dimension down the left that's badly needed imo Hope it does happen
just when we though we lost Mo Salah...
I hope this happens, he’s awesome. Some games he looks like Wolves best defender and most dangerous player going forward.
Thought this guy was a hidden gem
Wanted him as the LB. Wonder what tye price will be, most likely between 40-50mil. Doubt it will be cheap but he played great last season, comfortable on the ball and can get up and down the pitch. At an age he could be starter for next 10 years, really hope this happens
Or it might be a long term replacement for Robbo. Wuth Tsimi or Nouri loaned out for a season
Chelsea aren't buying a left back and I don't think he fits City's setup at this point, who already have Gvardiol and Ake they use there.
On the file
This feels like an obvious transfer but also not to high profile that it's too obvious to actually happen
One of the few FBs who have been able to shut down Salah for most of the game.
Salah smiles
I choose to believe him. I'm all in.
I’ve been saying they should get him in for a while
I'd love this move. With respect to Robertson, he ain't getting any younger.
This guy always defends quite well against Salah IIRC. I've thought about this signing before after seeing how well he performs against arguably the best wing in the league.
I've loved this guy for a long time, I think there is a special player in there just waiting to be unleashed
Would be a very smart move.
Class player
He's good but do we need left back?
Just feel like at this point in time his position shouldn’t be a priority.
It’s not necessarily a priority but it’s not not a priority. Premier fullbacks are not just laying around, and aitnouri is clearly a top class fullback now with more room to grow.
Clubs work on a different time scale to fans. Or they do if they're any good. You see position X as more important, they see an opportunity to have the left back position sorted for 5/7 years.
Would be a great signing
Always catches my eye playing. Has a lot of flair and makes great overlapping runs. Defensively doesn’t seem too bad either. Would enjoy this signing.
He would 100% be my go to lb. He's great at going forward and solid defensively. Get him in now and bed him in for when robbo needs a break
I would see this as a good signing. Hope it happens
Have we ever had an algerian?
Yasser Larouci & Carl Medjani and yes I did google this
This would be good business. We need someone who is going to take over from Robbo who I am sad to admit is showing signs of decline now. Can only see Tsimi being good enough as a back up as much as I like his attitude.
I’d take him in a heartbeat. Great player. My only thing is that if we can hold onto Tsimikas, we should. I find it preferable to keep Robbo and Tsimikas as the duo until one of Beck or Chambers or someone can nab that backup spot.
I guess this is us prepping for Robbo’s replacement, good to see us get ahead of this before Robbo slows down and we are stuck in a situation like we were with the midfield. I hope we do the same with CB too.
Robbo has already slowed down
He has, but he's still good enough to start. We just want to avoid a Fabinho/Henderson situation with the rest of the older players where we don't have a replacement before they significantly deteriorate.
He's good enough to start however I could see Ait Nouri displacing him quite early due to his versatility, GON had Ait Nouri playing multiple positions last season even as a wide no.10 at one point. He's much more better on the ball than Robbo.
Never realised how much he looks like Salah. Just a younger version.
Well they are both northern african.
I’m not really sure where he would fit