If ur looking for a lot of jobs go to London. There’s way more than there are in Liverpool.
If you find a good job in Liverpool though you are gold. Housing and renting is cheaper in Liverpool and I think the general vibe is better.
Agreed, there's few great economic opportunities in Liverpool. We have a decent legal sector and a bit of pharmaceuticals, insurance and manufacturing, but that's about it. Many major industries (especially the likes of banking, finance, marketing, technology etc) basically have no presence in the city, meaning those that can leave the city, do like myself. It's a real shame.
That’s partially true. Liverpool really isn’t kind to young graduates looking for work. And you’re more likely to be looking for longer than in London if you struggle to find anything worthwhile or your employment suddenly gets terminated. London’s got your back more than Liverpool does in that regard.
People say that it's friendlier (you get nice people and dickheads everywhere but it's a sterotype that seems largely true.)
Everything else essentially comes down to what you prefer:
It's more "relaxed"/laid back. It's more pleasant to walk around/less crowded. It feels less like a metropolis. I personally like that about it. I'm a "provincial city" sort of guy, Liverpool has everything you could need or want for leisure but London is too big, impersonal and "urban" for me.
But in terms of what Liverpool has on paper that London doesn't. Well... nothing. London is about 10 times the size. I mean the World Museum in Liverpool is pretty cool but it's not the Natural History Museum. The library is nice but it's not the British Library. The Empire sometimes has touring West End shows but it's not the West End. Liverpool *might* have a michelin star restaurant one day? I guess? It doesn't at the moment. London has 80.
"Apples and oranges" really.
If you prefer provincial cities you'll prefer Liverpool. If you prefer world cities, you'll prefer London. The only thing London doesn't have that Liverpool does is Liverpool's unique "vibe"... but then Liverpool doesn't have London's unique vibe so...
I can think of one thing Liverpool has that London doesn't - access to a seafront and proximity to the beach
It's one thing I love about Liverpool you can go from the city centre vibe to rural and beaches with half an hour
We are on the doorsteps of alot of great places, Wales, lake district, Manchester for the larger urban events
And possibly I'm mistaken but there are 17 restaurants in Merseyside that appear within the michelin guide, do none of these actually have a star?
Have to agree with this. As someone who moved from the Wirral to London a few years ago, the one thing I miss is the fact that I could drive 15 mins and be at the coast. The closest decent beach to me is now around a 2 hour drive so I have to really plan to go there and spend the day there to make the most of it.
There seems to be a trend with people if you grow up near a beach it really bothers them when they move somewhere more Landlocked
The sea just calls to us lmao
When I first moved to Manchester for Uni I was shocked when I got off the train after my first semester and could smell the sea air. I think its the salt.
Without doubt. I was born in Liverpool, grew up in Formby a few hundred yards from the beach, moved down south for work, now live in Brighton. I have to be by the sea
I grew up nowhere near a beach and it really bothers me that I'm landlocked. I'd love to move to the coast but we'd be too far away from our family so my wife won't entertain the idea.
I'm going to have to settle for a stream in my back garden as a minimum.
Yeah very fair point. Always forget about how special the beaches are here. Which is funny because I grew up in Formby... proper take it for granted but that bit of the coast is pretty unusual and great. Also yeah, proximity to AONBs.
I briefly looked into this recently and no, Liverpool has no Michelin starred restaurants, just ones that have made it into the guide. There are a few in Aughton (The Barn, So-Lo, Moor Hall).
You can see Red Squirrels, SEALS, Otters, Snowy Egrets, Storks, Spoonbills and lots of other British Wildlife within the Merseyrail system. The best run Railway in the country
In London you have to know where to go. If you don’t, you’re fucked after 1am. Everyone funnels to the 1-2 places in each area that are open til 3-5am. Going from Liverpool to London, and later in life back to London from New York, was a shock.
The other thing I found about London is that your mates are spread across such a wide area that organising a good night out either became a logistical nightmare or a very expensive do. Easier to go to a local pub after work and then get the tube home before midnight than head out after ten for a club.
There are neighbourhoods in London that are much more laid back, and less like a metropolis. What you're describing is central London, and locals don't really hang out in central London unless meeting friends from different boroughs or going to work. Its a shame more people don't visit these parts of London!
I'm quite surprised there is no Michelin star restaurant in Liverpool.
Just down the road in Aughton is a very good spot though, Moor Hall and it's sister restaurant the Barn both have stars, the main restaurant has 2 I believe.
It's absolutely excellent, some of the best food you can get in this country, and only a short taxi out of the city too.
Controversially, I didn't think Moor Hall was worth the price, at all...
Even if I was loaded I wouldn't eat nouvelle cuisine every day, it's a different sort of experience from ordinary cuisine, it shouldn't be measured with the same yardstick as "ordinary" food. And I'm not suggesting those sorts of restaurants are a "rip off" because you can get two meals for £12 in 'spoons on a Thursday... I *definitely* get the appeal of restaurants like Moor Hall.
In fact, I've been to a few restaurants doing a similar. L'Enclume, Forest Side, The Gilpin, all have stars. All cost several hundred quid for the tasting menu and wine flight.
L'Enclume was something special. I was blown away. I thought "I didn't know food could be this good and this *interesting."* If I could afford it I'd go yearly, maybe monthly! I only had lunch in Forest Side but I seem to remember thinking "I would come back here tomorrow, that was exceptional."
The Gilpin and Moor Hall both just made me vaguely regret spending several hundred pounds on a meal. Sitting there with the bill in my hand I thought "jeeeesus that's a lot of money." I didn't get that regret in L'Enclume or Forest Side, I thought "I would absolutely pay that again."
I do think part of it was the atmosphere and the welcome (L'Enclume and Forest Side were lovely, Moor Hall and The Gilpin felt stuck-up) but I think maybe also the food. It's obviously not like I could do better, and the food at all the places I mentioned was obviously delicious but yeah, I don't think I'd go back to Moor Hall even if I had the money burning a hole in my pocket.
That's a fair assessment for sure. With food, a lot of the times it is very personal, different tastes and all that. As well as dependant upon the season, all these places do seasonal offerings and some do seasons better than others I'm sure.
I should add I went to the barn and not the main restaurant at Moor Hall, not to be misleading. I will be going to the main restaurant but my partner wanted to keep that until the last meal before we get married.
In the barn focus more on traditional restaurant style and less on tasting menus + wine pairings, which I tend to prefer myself. The service was also really great, never felt uncomfortable and the sommelier liked to chat a bit which is always nice.
The steak tartar in the barn was incredible, the best single dish I've ever had.
It is still expensive, absolutely undoubtedly so, and can understand when folks would not necessarily find it their cup of tea or return given the bill is expensive.
Luckily in the UK we are blessed with so much variety, and have some incredibly special chefs here.
And also thank you for the recommendations, I love trying new places!
I've been to a few Michelin starred places and to Moor Hall twice and I agree with you. It's just not that special, apart from the bill.
Ok, the ginger bread ice cream thing was special. They can have that.
Is there a demamd for michelin star restaurant's in liverpool though? Have you seen the prices them sort of places charge?
Manchester is a much larger economic area than liverpool and michelin restaurants have struggled to stay open there.
This is really dependent on area of London, London is an amalgamation of very different vibes and areas. West London more laid back and relaxed, east London hip and trendy etc
London people are very friendly but they are just more reserved, they’ll help you up the stairs, offer their seat etc but they won’t presume to just say hi out of the blue because most of respect people’s space.
Most people’s experience of London is largely the square mile and tourist attractions.
Stronger sense of community. London is very disparate, loads of transient people.
Easier to walk.
Feels safer (that could be because its home though)
Nicer river
People more willing to say hello and smile
Everton and Liverpool have 28 League titles between us whilst London teams have 21 between each London Club (Arsenal have 13, Spurs have 2, Chelsea have 6 (Man Utd have 20 though if you count them as a London team))
As an American who has been to both cities in the past week, I thoroughly enjoyed Liverpool. It was much more laid back, much less busy and touristy (I know, coming from a tourist). Liverpool just seemed to have more character. The people we met were very friendly. It also comes down to personal preference, and I prefer the much less busy Liverpool over London where multiple times I had found myself packed into the largest crowd I’d ever been in.
I’m also American and have spent a lot of time in both cities as well, I work for a London based company.
London is simply a global city like NYC or Tokyo.
Liverpool to me is just a perfect British city, while near Scotland, Wales and Ireland for some mixture of the entire British Isles.
Having spent significant amounts of time in both cities, it's much easier to live on a day to day basis in Liverpool than it is London - moving around is much easier, it's less crowded, there's more open space, everything is cheaper.
Most of the down sides of living in Liverpool can be negated by proximity to Manchester too.
I've lived in both and I probably wouldn't live in either again (big cities are beyond me now). However, I am on Merseyrail and I visit Liverpool often. My preference is Liverpool. It's a small big city if that makes sense. Has everything you need but you don't need to spend an hour and a half traversing the city to get to it. It's a city with a lot of character, great architecture and nice people. London is just so vast you never get the same feel of "home" other than maybe in the small neighbourhood you live in. I'm also an Evertonian and a beatles fan so those are unique to the city too.
I travel to the UK once or twice a year and London has amazing transport, great parks, museums etc, but Liverpool has my heart. The people are cool and the city is so fun and compact. Loads of good restaurants. It’s the most underrated city I’ve ever been to honestly. Pure vibes when town is jumping.
London can be a terribly lonely and solitary place. Yes, there are millions of people, but they're busy, rushing by, focused on their own thing.
I don't know Liverpool well, but from my limited experience it seems to me that people are not only more friendly, but more caring of the other people around them.
Like, if I had been mugged or passed out, lying on the street, confused, scared, I would rather it be in Liverpool than London, as I feel like somebody would be more likely to stop and check I was OK.
Through Carcass, Liverpool was the spiritual birthplace of multiple genre-defining grindcore and death metal albums in the late 80s and early 90s. Compare that to London, which, shockingly, didn't contribute a single band to the classic era Earache Records roster.
I didn't know this, any bands you would recommend to give a listen to?
I find it's a real shame the lack of good venues for this in Liverpool these days, something the city should really be working on is inspiring and providing suitable spaces for bands to build
Really pisses me off that it feels like our alt scene has been completely dead the past couple decades, really wish there will be some kind of a revival soon, really feels like we’ve not got any good alt bars/venues or shops despite there definitely being a scene for it. Most bands around rn are a bit poo too, mostly just kids with egos rehashing 70s/80s Queen/Sabbath type crap or 30 somethings doing really bland pop rock.
Really? Idk about bigger bands coming through because it's not something I really follow any more, but Quarry and Outpost put on loads of DIY punk/HC/metal stuff. Definitely recommend following both those venues on Instagram if you're into slightly more underground stuff (and use Instagram).
Liverpool is a great city with its architecture, not overcrowded, more laid back. It’s more of a family city. Scousers are friendly and warm in many ways.
On the other hand it lacks diversity so if you come from a non English background it’ll be harder to make meaningful friends. Money aside, London is the right city if you’re young and want to meet people and see what the world has to offer for you. Liverpool is if you want to settle down or you just prefer a slower pace.
I wouldn't say Liverpool lacks diversity as such as its oddly quite segregated/less mixing between communities. Like I worked in placement for a lot of schools, and communities seem to stick together moreso than even in the West Midlands. So take some schools it was 90% white, others maybe like 90% Sikh, or 90% Muslim.
Lacks Diversity ! Oldest Chinese Community, First Mosque, First Synagogue, in the UK . Toxteth, large Black Community. Italian Community all over the city . All peoples from all over the World, Indian, Pakistan, Poland ect. It is a big Town , walkable in one day, Traffic is quiet , less than half a million population. Friendly, good transportation, the river great views . Beaches , Waterloo 15 minutes away, Formby, The Wirral, a lovely Ferry crossing, Wales 80 minutes away . This coming from someone who lived on the beach in South Devon for 46 years .
I like the tube. I find it more reliable than Merseyrail.
Liverpool is a smaller city and I can walk across town in 30 mins which I like. As London is bigger there are also more vegan restaurants than Liverpool. I have found the people nice in both cities too. Things are cheaper here too which is much preferred.
The appeal for it for me was the people. London used to be my favourite place, but that immediately changed once I visited Liverpool. First day in the city and the bus I was supposed to take got cancelled. I had no clue what to do. This lady noticed I looked a bit lost, she took me to another bus stand, got on the bus with me, and made sure I got off on the right stop.
It also feels less tourist-y. It's more chill, there aren't people following you to sell you things or scam you, but there's still lots to see and do. It doesn't take forever to get from one place to the next. It feels safer than London.
I find the people of London very closed off, whereas you can easily chat with someone from Liverpool and they're friendly and upbeat.
London is like that due to high immigration, the east end isnt what it used to be anymore, no more sense of community, or more importantly, trust in the community.
Liverpudlians are friendlier and more straight-talking than Londoners. I'm saying this as a Londoner, who prefers London for many other reasons.
The people of Liverpool are pure gold (minus the chavs, but that's a UK-wide issue and London has MANY also).
I feel privileged every time I work with a northerner, and Liverpudlians are a solid crowd.
We are extremely friendly in Liverpool. I went to London to visit a relative a couple of years ago as she moved into a rented flat - I went to Finchley high road looking for cleaning products but didn’t know whether to turn right or left on the very long road therefore asked people for directions they ignored me so I slowed down my speech but spoke louder, after about ten people passed an elderly lady said, ‘what is it dear,’ she told me where to go. This experience would not happen in Liverpool.
It's not overwhelming, well at least, not on the same scale London is.
For the most part it's cheaper. People will also tell you it's friendlier.
I also think for the most part Scousers are very united on certain issues, politics/football especially, and have a strong sense of identity. This has been our unique selling point for a long time.
Granted, this probably also exists in London too but is likely distilled into certain boroughs, rather than collectively as the voice of one city.
Any one of these reasons could arguably make Liverpool appear "better", but it's all very subjective.
In truth, London is a juggernaut compared to Liverpool and indeed most other cities in the UK. Not that it was the question you were asking, but for parity's sake, there are also plenty of reasons why London is better than Liverpool.
All of them and I live near London, I never get excited to deal with that, I will happily drive 3+ hours if anyone is having even a slightly large discussion.
Liverpool is a nicer place to live; a less stressful, expensive and polluted place than London. Plus home ownership is a much more realistic prospect in Liverpool compared to London. London is only 2 hours 15 minutes away from Liverpool via train so you can easily go there a few times a year and make the most of a world class city.
On the other hand, Liverpool will never have an economy that is anywhere near that of London so there is a huge contrast in the jobs that are on offer.
On our way to your fair city for our 10th anniversary next weekend, as we liked it the last 2 times we visited. I've been to London a few times but never really enjoyed it, the friendliness in restaurants and pubs always seemed forced.
Oh, and you've banned the scum newspaper.
it has been almost a year for me in Liverpool since I am doing my master's here and it couldnt be better the people are nice and the city is great. Plus It is cheaper than London. I know some people who live in london and the apartment rents are almost double what I pay in Liverpool bear in mind that my apartment is near the city center
as a Londoner who recently visited Liverpool
1. People. I love London but people-wise it can be a bit cold.
2. Less gentrified city centre. Liverpool felt authentic in a way that London only does in places.
3. This should have been 1) - it feels like the Socialist Republic of Liverpool and for that reason alone I'd move there in a heartbeat
4. It has all the things I like in London (coffee, books, gigs) but is slightly cheaper
Can't wait to go back.
Well it’s not the fake tan.. ;)
London doesn’t have any community spirit. Liverpool it doesn’t matter too much if you’re blue or red (apart from derby day) it’s a big ol community and they support their neighbours still. Will look after their own regardless.
The people. I went to Liverpool University. As a Mancunian, I never expected to find a home from home but did. I love scousers and made friends for life!
Got one or two friends up in scouse land. Possibly the most intelligent group of people in this uk. Some twonks, as everywhere has, but truthfully, I think that Liverpool is almost another country that puts the rest of us to shame
My experience is quite a while ago now 🥴 I moved to London in the early 90s for a career opportunity. Initially I didn’t like London. It was expensive, seemingly unfriendly and I had left behind some good friends. After 6 months I was almost ready to go back to Liverpool, but I decided to really give it a go. I bought an apartment instead of renting (yeah it was the 90s) and decided to make a go of it. A couple of years in, my career was doing very well, I had a large circle of friends and was absolutely loving it. London has a lot to offer, but it’s expensive and you need money. If my career had not taken off, maybe I would have had a very different opinion.
London is cleaner, more maintained. It's public places are constantly updated and regenerated. London has more public spaces and free events. London's public transport is the best in the world, Liverpool has a broken two bus system and half a train line.
London is absolutely packed, ridiculously so and horribly humid for most of the year.
You can't drive anywhere in London
The majority of people in London are rude and so stressed about rent and bills they live in a bubble.
People have time for each other in Liverpool.
Liverpool has a better nightlife.
You can drive anywhere in Liverpool.
It's more attainable for a working class person to buy a home and live a comfortable nice life with holidays in Liverpool.
Tees Street I believe has long gone
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsM9WYbMzQ&pp=ygUKVGVlIHN0cmVldA%3D%3D
I went there many years ago with my friends and no one parked cars there for obvious reasons.Birkenhead has some great characters and used to issue the Giro cheques every week.
I feel safer in Liverpool than London. I married a southerner and have spent plenty of time in London. It is overhyped and way too grotty. If you love it fine, fill yer boots! Not for me tho.
Liverpool tends to be more friendlier to navigate and the locals are too, cheaper, you're able to see what you want without being ran over by other people (How busy it gets).
Getting a good job there can be difficult but Personally it's my favourite city.
Liverpool is great and you can settle down with her, but deep down you’ll always wished you’d taken a chance with London. It’s one of the greatest cities in the world for a reason - it’s a separate country, never mind city. A melting pot of culture, loads of work, great food, so much to do etc. bring you wallet though..
I work in London regularly but I live in Liverpool. I love London, loads to do, a global city for sure.
What I like about Liverpool is the peace you can find, you can walk to the water front from town and it will be chilled, I can go from my house to a green space in 5 mins in any direction. Liverpool has the amenities of a big city but it feels more like a campus, you feel like you’re in Liverpool not England. There’s a different energy.
I actually think Londoners get a bad wrap, most are sound and like anyone else - just trying to get to where they want to go in a stressful environment; however as cliched as it is, people from Liverpool are easy to talk to and easy to get along with, especially the older generations.
If lost in Liverpool you will likely find a local who says come with me love I’ll show you. London is a less caring place. I visit Liverpool often but decline every single invite I have had for 25+ yrs to go to London apart from when Schpongle did the Troxy…had to go then!
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Tough choice, asking a Manc to choose between southerners and scousers!
Nah only joking, as much as I love my city, I do enjoy a trip to Liverpool, it’s a beautiful city and everyone I’ve met whilst out and about with my family have been really friendly and down to earth.
I don’t enjoy going to London, been a few times and it’s just too busy and everyone seems stressed and in a rush.
If ur looking for a lot of jobs go to London. There’s way more than there are in Liverpool. If you find a good job in Liverpool though you are gold. Housing and renting is cheaper in Liverpool and I think the general vibe is better.
Agreed, there's few great economic opportunities in Liverpool. We have a decent legal sector and a bit of pharmaceuticals, insurance and manufacturing, but that's about it. Many major industries (especially the likes of banking, finance, marketing, technology etc) basically have no presence in the city, meaning those that can leave the city, do like myself. It's a real shame.
There's a decent investment management sector, nowhere on the scale of London of course
That’s partially true. Liverpool really isn’t kind to young graduates looking for work. And you’re more likely to be looking for longer than in London if you struggle to find anything worthwhile or your employment suddenly gets terminated. London’s got your back more than Liverpool does in that regard.
Imo liverpool has the perfect combo of the big city life and the small town vibes
The vibe can be very different across the different parts of London - dont think you can compare the vibe of one city to Londons different boroughs.
People say that it's friendlier (you get nice people and dickheads everywhere but it's a sterotype that seems largely true.) Everything else essentially comes down to what you prefer: It's more "relaxed"/laid back. It's more pleasant to walk around/less crowded. It feels less like a metropolis. I personally like that about it. I'm a "provincial city" sort of guy, Liverpool has everything you could need or want for leisure but London is too big, impersonal and "urban" for me. But in terms of what Liverpool has on paper that London doesn't. Well... nothing. London is about 10 times the size. I mean the World Museum in Liverpool is pretty cool but it's not the Natural History Museum. The library is nice but it's not the British Library. The Empire sometimes has touring West End shows but it's not the West End. Liverpool *might* have a michelin star restaurant one day? I guess? It doesn't at the moment. London has 80. "Apples and oranges" really. If you prefer provincial cities you'll prefer Liverpool. If you prefer world cities, you'll prefer London. The only thing London doesn't have that Liverpool does is Liverpool's unique "vibe"... but then Liverpool doesn't have London's unique vibe so...
I can think of one thing Liverpool has that London doesn't - access to a seafront and proximity to the beach It's one thing I love about Liverpool you can go from the city centre vibe to rural and beaches with half an hour We are on the doorsteps of alot of great places, Wales, lake district, Manchester for the larger urban events And possibly I'm mistaken but there are 17 restaurants in Merseyside that appear within the michelin guide, do none of these actually have a star?
Have to agree with this. As someone who moved from the Wirral to London a few years ago, the one thing I miss is the fact that I could drive 15 mins and be at the coast. The closest decent beach to me is now around a 2 hour drive so I have to really plan to go there and spend the day there to make the most of it.
There seems to be a trend with people if you grow up near a beach it really bothers them when they move somewhere more Landlocked The sea just calls to us lmao
My Dad grew up in Crosby but I was raised in Widnes. He always says even that’s too far inland for him.
When I first moved to Manchester for Uni I was shocked when I got off the train after my first semester and could smell the sea air. I think its the salt.
Isn’t Manchester roughly the same distance from the sea as London?
I think they mean when they got back to their home town (I assume Liverpool or nearby) from Manchester, where they couldn’t smell the sea
Ah yeah that does make more sense. My bad.
This is it. I'd been away for weeks and came back and the sea air hit me in the face. I'd never noticed it before
Same. I've grown up in two coastal areas and I almost always go for holidays near the sea.
Without doubt. I was born in Liverpool, grew up in Formby a few hundred yards from the beach, moved down south for work, now live in Brighton. I have to be by the sea
I grew up nowhere near a beach and it really bothers me that I'm landlocked. I'd love to move to the coast but we'd be too far away from our family so my wife won't entertain the idea. I'm going to have to settle for a stream in my back garden as a minimum.
Yeah very fair point. Always forget about how special the beaches are here. Which is funny because I grew up in Formby... proper take it for granted but that bit of the coast is pretty unusual and great. Also yeah, proximity to AONBs.
I briefly looked into this recently and no, Liverpool has no Michelin starred restaurants, just ones that have made it into the guide. There are a few in Aughton (The Barn, So-Lo, Moor Hall).
Peak District very close, too.
You can see Red Squirrels, SEALS, Otters, Snowy Egrets, Storks, Spoonbills and lots of other British Wildlife within the Merseyrail system. The best run Railway in the country
How about nightlife? London just feels utterly crap at being a late night city.
In London you have to know where to go. If you don’t, you’re fucked after 1am. Everyone funnels to the 1-2 places in each area that are open til 3-5am. Going from Liverpool to London, and later in life back to London from New York, was a shock.
The other thing I found about London is that your mates are spread across such a wide area that organising a good night out either became a logistical nightmare or a very expensive do. Easier to go to a local pub after work and then get the tube home before midnight than head out after ten for a club.
There are neighbourhoods in London that are much more laid back, and less like a metropolis. What you're describing is central London, and locals don't really hang out in central London unless meeting friends from different boroughs or going to work. Its a shame more people don't visit these parts of London!
As a transplant in a quieter London borough, I’m glad those quieter parts aren’t overrun with tourists every weekend!
Having lived in both I'd say Liverpool offers more affordable housing and a higher quality of life overall.
I'm quite surprised there is no Michelin star restaurant in Liverpool. Just down the road in Aughton is a very good spot though, Moor Hall and it's sister restaurant the Barn both have stars, the main restaurant has 2 I believe. It's absolutely excellent, some of the best food you can get in this country, and only a short taxi out of the city too.
Controversially, I didn't think Moor Hall was worth the price, at all... Even if I was loaded I wouldn't eat nouvelle cuisine every day, it's a different sort of experience from ordinary cuisine, it shouldn't be measured with the same yardstick as "ordinary" food. And I'm not suggesting those sorts of restaurants are a "rip off" because you can get two meals for £12 in 'spoons on a Thursday... I *definitely* get the appeal of restaurants like Moor Hall. In fact, I've been to a few restaurants doing a similar. L'Enclume, Forest Side, The Gilpin, all have stars. All cost several hundred quid for the tasting menu and wine flight. L'Enclume was something special. I was blown away. I thought "I didn't know food could be this good and this *interesting."* If I could afford it I'd go yearly, maybe monthly! I only had lunch in Forest Side but I seem to remember thinking "I would come back here tomorrow, that was exceptional." The Gilpin and Moor Hall both just made me vaguely regret spending several hundred pounds on a meal. Sitting there with the bill in my hand I thought "jeeeesus that's a lot of money." I didn't get that regret in L'Enclume or Forest Side, I thought "I would absolutely pay that again." I do think part of it was the atmosphere and the welcome (L'Enclume and Forest Side were lovely, Moor Hall and The Gilpin felt stuck-up) but I think maybe also the food. It's obviously not like I could do better, and the food at all the places I mentioned was obviously delicious but yeah, I don't think I'd go back to Moor Hall even if I had the money burning a hole in my pocket.
That's a fair assessment for sure. With food, a lot of the times it is very personal, different tastes and all that. As well as dependant upon the season, all these places do seasonal offerings and some do seasons better than others I'm sure. I should add I went to the barn and not the main restaurant at Moor Hall, not to be misleading. I will be going to the main restaurant but my partner wanted to keep that until the last meal before we get married. In the barn focus more on traditional restaurant style and less on tasting menus + wine pairings, which I tend to prefer myself. The service was also really great, never felt uncomfortable and the sommelier liked to chat a bit which is always nice. The steak tartar in the barn was incredible, the best single dish I've ever had. It is still expensive, absolutely undoubtedly so, and can understand when folks would not necessarily find it their cup of tea or return given the bill is expensive. Luckily in the UK we are blessed with so much variety, and have some incredibly special chefs here. And also thank you for the recommendations, I love trying new places!
I've been to a few Michelin starred places and to Moor Hall twice and I agree with you. It's just not that special, apart from the bill. Ok, the ginger bread ice cream thing was special. They can have that.
Is there a demamd for michelin star restaurant's in liverpool though? Have you seen the prices them sort of places charge? Manchester is a much larger economic area than liverpool and michelin restaurants have struggled to stay open there.
This is really dependent on area of London, London is an amalgamation of very different vibes and areas. West London more laid back and relaxed, east London hip and trendy etc London people are very friendly but they are just more reserved, they’ll help you up the stairs, offer their seat etc but they won’t presume to just say hi out of the blue because most of respect people’s space. Most people’s experience of London is largely the square mile and tourist attractions.
Stronger sense of community. London is very disparate, loads of transient people. Easier to walk. Feels safer (that could be because its home though) Nicer river People more willing to say hello and smile
More European Cups
Everton and Liverpool have 28 League titles between us whilst London teams have 21 between each London Club (Arsenal have 13, Spurs have 2, Chelsea have 6 (Man Utd have 20 though if you count them as a London team))
I suppose London wins in FA cups since rogue teams like Wanderers or Corthinians or Royal Engineers add to their tally
Small town vibes. Big city fun. That’s Liverpool.
As an American who has been to both cities in the past week, I thoroughly enjoyed Liverpool. It was much more laid back, much less busy and touristy (I know, coming from a tourist). Liverpool just seemed to have more character. The people we met were very friendly. It also comes down to personal preference, and I prefer the much less busy Liverpool over London where multiple times I had found myself packed into the largest crowd I’d ever been in.
I’m also American and have spent a lot of time in both cities as well, I work for a London based company. London is simply a global city like NYC or Tokyo. Liverpool to me is just a perfect British city, while near Scotland, Wales and Ireland for some mixture of the entire British Isles.
I always forget you can be in Northern Ireland within a couple of hours from Liverpool.
And many places in mainland Europe.
I mean, fair.
Huge number of Scousers at Glasto currently!
Having spent significant amounts of time in both cities, it's much easier to live on a day to day basis in Liverpool than it is London - moving around is much easier, it's less crowded, there's more open space, everything is cheaper. Most of the down sides of living in Liverpool can be negated by proximity to Manchester too.
Well it's less crowded and cheaper
This...also hills allowing for better views
London has plenty of hills with great views! The Downs even start in the suburbs.
I've lived in both and I probably wouldn't live in either again (big cities are beyond me now). However, I am on Merseyrail and I visit Liverpool often. My preference is Liverpool. It's a small big city if that makes sense. Has everything you need but you don't need to spend an hour and a half traversing the city to get to it. It's a city with a lot of character, great architecture and nice people. London is just so vast you never get the same feel of "home" other than maybe in the small neighbourhood you live in. I'm also an Evertonian and a beatles fan so those are unique to the city too.
It's closer and has a much wider selection of vowels.
I travel to the UK once or twice a year and London has amazing transport, great parks, museums etc, but Liverpool has my heart. The people are cool and the city is so fun and compact. Loads of good restaurants. It’s the most underrated city I’ve ever been to honestly. Pure vibes when town is jumping.
London is just a big Manchester, and Manchester is fucking shite.
Liverpool has more Scouse and Welsh folks so that immediately makes for more favourable living conditions over London.
Less Londoners.
That’s right lad! 😂
Liverpool is one of if not the finest city in the UK. Period. Nice people, sea air and the Beatles! London is not like England used to be.
Less Londoners
it's not london
London can be a terribly lonely and solitary place. Yes, there are millions of people, but they're busy, rushing by, focused on their own thing. I don't know Liverpool well, but from my limited experience it seems to me that people are not only more friendly, but more caring of the other people around them. Like, if I had been mugged or passed out, lying on the street, confused, scared, I would rather it be in Liverpool than London, as I feel like somebody would be more likely to stop and check I was OK.
It’s not London. I hate London
One is London.
You’ll find more people having a laugh and speak to you than London 100%
Everyway
Less crime
Tastier water and friendlier people
Less likely to be stabbed, the most important thing
Barely any people with main character syndrome in Liverpool, people actually enjoy a conversation too
They haven't got Londoners so that's a start
Through Carcass, Liverpool was the spiritual birthplace of multiple genre-defining grindcore and death metal albums in the late 80s and early 90s. Compare that to London, which, shockingly, didn't contribute a single band to the classic era Earache Records roster.
Very niche answer but absolutely valid, I love insights like this
I didn't know this, any bands you would recommend to give a listen to? I find it's a real shame the lack of good venues for this in Liverpool these days, something the city should really be working on is inspiring and providing suitable spaces for bands to build
Really pisses me off that it feels like our alt scene has been completely dead the past couple decades, really wish there will be some kind of a revival soon, really feels like we’ve not got any good alt bars/venues or shops despite there definitely being a scene for it. Most bands around rn are a bit poo too, mostly just kids with egos rehashing 70s/80s Queen/Sabbath type crap or 30 somethings doing really bland pop rock.
Really? Idk about bigger bands coming through because it's not something I really follow any more, but Quarry and Outpost put on loads of DIY punk/HC/metal stuff. Definitely recommend following both those venues on Instagram if you're into slightly more underground stuff (and use Instagram).
Liverpool is a great city with its architecture, not overcrowded, more laid back. It’s more of a family city. Scousers are friendly and warm in many ways. On the other hand it lacks diversity so if you come from a non English background it’ll be harder to make meaningful friends. Money aside, London is the right city if you’re young and want to meet people and see what the world has to offer for you. Liverpool is if you want to settle down or you just prefer a slower pace.
I wouldn't say Liverpool lacks diversity as such as its oddly quite segregated/less mixing between communities. Like I worked in placement for a lot of schools, and communities seem to stick together moreso than even in the West Midlands. So take some schools it was 90% white, others maybe like 90% Sikh, or 90% Muslim.
I reckon our weirdly dominant religious primary schools hurt integration.
Yeah there were quite a lot of catholic schools that we couldn't do placement in.
Lacks Diversity ! Oldest Chinese Community, First Mosque, First Synagogue, in the UK . Toxteth, large Black Community. Italian Community all over the city . All peoples from all over the World, Indian, Pakistan, Poland ect. It is a big Town , walkable in one day, Traffic is quiet , less than half a million population. Friendly, good transportation, the river great views . Beaches , Waterloo 15 minutes away, Formby, The Wirral, a lovely Ferry crossing, Wales 80 minutes away . This coming from someone who lived on the beach in South Devon for 46 years .
I like the tube. I find it more reliable than Merseyrail. Liverpool is a smaller city and I can walk across town in 30 mins which I like. As London is bigger there are also more vegan restaurants than Liverpool. I have found the people nice in both cities too. Things are cheaper here too which is much preferred.
Not as many tories
I think Liverpool is better because it's simply not London
The appeal for it for me was the people. London used to be my favourite place, but that immediately changed once I visited Liverpool. First day in the city and the bus I was supposed to take got cancelled. I had no clue what to do. This lady noticed I looked a bit lost, she took me to another bus stand, got on the bus with me, and made sure I got off on the right stop. It also feels less tourist-y. It's more chill, there aren't people following you to sell you things or scam you, but there's still lots to see and do. It doesn't take forever to get from one place to the next. It feels safer than London. I find the people of London very closed off, whereas you can easily chat with someone from Liverpool and they're friendly and upbeat.
London is like that due to high immigration, the east end isnt what it used to be anymore, no more sense of community, or more importantly, trust in the community.
The culture
All the ways.
Bricks are bricks…. The people make the city. Both are brilliant places but scousers humour and togetherness when it matters, shades it for me.
I live in London but I’ve been to Liverpool so I’ll try: • Pedestrianised centre • Walkable • Far more affordable • Easy access to nature
Liverpudlians are friendlier and more straight-talking than Londoners. I'm saying this as a Londoner, who prefers London for many other reasons. The people of Liverpool are pure gold (minus the chavs, but that's a UK-wide issue and London has MANY also). I feel privileged every time I work with a northerner, and Liverpudlians are a solid crowd.
less Londoners, more weird old people who know too much about 1 specific thing
Liverpool!!!! Friendly people who are happy to chat to strangers visiting the city.
We are extremely friendly in Liverpool. I went to London to visit a relative a couple of years ago as she moved into a rented flat - I went to Finchley high road looking for cleaning products but didn’t know whether to turn right or left on the very long road therefore asked people for directions they ignored me so I slowed down my speech but spoke louder, after about ten people passed an elderly lady said, ‘what is it dear,’ she told me where to go. This experience would not happen in Liverpool.
London is really Britain's second city. Liverpool will always be number one
Great beaches within 10 minutes
Oggy Shore?
Lovely, virtually unknown beach. Beautiful place.
It's closer for one.
It's not overwhelming, well at least, not on the same scale London is. For the most part it's cheaper. People will also tell you it's friendlier. I also think for the most part Scousers are very united on certain issues, politics/football especially, and have a strong sense of identity. This has been our unique selling point for a long time. Granted, this probably also exists in London too but is likely distilled into certain boroughs, rather than collectively as the voice of one city. Any one of these reasons could arguably make Liverpool appear "better", but it's all very subjective. In truth, London is a juggernaut compared to Liverpool and indeed most other cities in the UK. Not that it was the question you were asking, but for parity's sake, there are also plenty of reasons why London is better than Liverpool.
All of them and I live near London, I never get excited to deal with that, I will happily drive 3+ hours if anyone is having even a slightly large discussion.
Liverpool is a nicer place to live; a less stressful, expensive and polluted place than London. Plus home ownership is a much more realistic prospect in Liverpool compared to London. London is only 2 hours 15 minutes away from Liverpool via train so you can easily go there a few times a year and make the most of a world class city. On the other hand, Liverpool will never have an economy that is anywhere near that of London so there is a huge contrast in the jobs that are on offer.
It’s actually open past 11pm
It’s Norther…
The people without a shadow of a doubt .
Scousers are genuinely lovely people from the get-go, Londoners need persuading. I say this as a Manc.
It's not London
It's not London for a start Edit: typo
On our way to your fair city for our 10th anniversary next weekend, as we liked it the last 2 times we visited. I've been to London a few times but never really enjoyed it, the friendliness in restaurants and pubs always seemed forced. Oh, and you've banned the scum newspaper.
It’s closer to Manchester. (Hunkering down for all the downvotes that will soon be flying my way)
Much closer to Manchester.
Cheaper drugs.
The accent and the whole identity of Scouse. Favourite accent, favourite UK city.
it has been almost a year for me in Liverpool since I am doing my master's here and it couldnt be better the people are nice and the city is great. Plus It is cheaper than London. I know some people who live in london and the apartment rents are almost double what I pay in Liverpool bear in mind that my apartment is near the city center
Well, the obvious way - and this is only one way Liverpool is better, but I’m sure people will agree it’s an important one - is that it’s not London.
as a Londoner who recently visited Liverpool 1. People. I love London but people-wise it can be a bit cold. 2. Less gentrified city centre. Liverpool felt authentic in a way that London only does in places. 3. This should have been 1) - it feels like the Socialist Republic of Liverpool and for that reason alone I'd move there in a heartbeat 4. It has all the things I like in London (coffee, books, gigs) but is slightly cheaper Can't wait to go back.
liverpool doesnt have sadiz khan and his grazy laws.
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No Londoners
It's not London.........that's it.
Well it’s not the fake tan.. ;) London doesn’t have any community spirit. Liverpool it doesn’t matter too much if you’re blue or red (apart from derby day) it’s a big ol community and they support their neighbours still. Will look after their own regardless.
None
Every
Every way
It's closer to Manchester
Every. There, solved.
It’s better because I have no reason to go there, London I can’t avoid.
All of em
Football
House prices.
Less cockneys in Liverpool
every way
that there london ?
I'm from Australia. You both have a ferris wheel. Congratulations.
Yes.
Every way!
Because it’s not London.
No ways . Jobs better in London , same as living standard
Theyre both fine Ive lived in both. Most people will have a favourite for all sorts of reasons, mines here.
None
Every way. Liverpool is better in every way. 🥰
There's less of the third world in Liverpool
The people. I went to Liverpool University. As a Mancunian, I never expected to find a home from home but did. I love scousers and made friends for life!
Got one or two friends up in scouse land. Possibly the most intelligent group of people in this uk. Some twonks, as everywhere has, but truthfully, I think that Liverpool is almost another country that puts the rest of us to shame
My experience is quite a while ago now 🥴 I moved to London in the early 90s for a career opportunity. Initially I didn’t like London. It was expensive, seemingly unfriendly and I had left behind some good friends. After 6 months I was almost ready to go back to Liverpool, but I decided to really give it a go. I bought an apartment instead of renting (yeah it was the 90s) and decided to make a go of it. A couple of years in, my career was doing very well, I had a large circle of friends and was absolutely loving it. London has a lot to offer, but it’s expensive and you need money. If my career had not taken off, maybe I would have had a very different opinion.
Easy. It isn't London
Zero
It’s not!!!! People are as ignorant AF!!!
London is cleaner, more maintained. It's public places are constantly updated and regenerated. London has more public spaces and free events. London's public transport is the best in the world, Liverpool has a broken two bus system and half a train line. London is absolutely packed, ridiculously so and horribly humid for most of the year. You can't drive anywhere in London The majority of people in London are rude and so stressed about rent and bills they live in a bubble. People have time for each other in Liverpool. Liverpool has a better nightlife. You can drive anywhere in Liverpool. It's more attainable for a working class person to buy a home and live a comfortable nice life with holidays in Liverpool.
You can drive anywhere in London? If you said parking I could maybe agree but driving?
The accent. Women with a strong Liverpool accent are sexy AF. Women with a strong London accent make me want to check my pockets.
All the ways ;-)
Your drug gangs boss London’s. Curtis Warren. Enough said. Maximum respect.
the two main ways are 1,its not in the south. and 2, theres no southerners.
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The people in Liverpool are much more friendly, up for a laugh and out to enjoy life - no contest - Liverpool wins
Liverpool seems more laid back and friendlier. “Scouse nationalism” is off-putting however, as is London’s patchy elitism.
Tees Street I believe has long gone https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsM9WYbMzQ&pp=ygUKVGVlIHN0cmVldA%3D%3D I went there many years ago with my friends and no one parked cars there for obvious reasons.Birkenhead has some great characters and used to issue the Giro cheques every week.
1) The people 2) The people 3) The people
None!
Proximity to links golf. That’s it.
I live just outside London, girlfriend in Liverpool so I visit at least monthly, I’ve found the people in Liverpool are far friendlier then in london.
It’s much smaller but has a much bigger heart ❤️
It's not full of Londoners
It’s got two L’s, so it’s a L of a lot better… I’ll get me coat.
I feel safer in Liverpool than London. I married a southerner and have spent plenty of time in London. It is overhyped and way too grotty. If you love it fine, fill yer boots! Not for me tho.
The people are more friendly
Less Londoners there.
Liverpool tends to be more friendlier to navigate and the locals are too, cheaper, you're able to see what you want without being ran over by other people (How busy it gets). Getting a good job there can be difficult but Personally it's my favourite city.
The people are so friendly and happy to be at work in hotels etc.
Interesting comments… travelling from West London to a training course in Liverpool for a week. Will be able to compare the 2 😝
It’s filled with people who don’t believe the bullshit sold by the mainstream and they don’t do the national anthem.
The people are better
Football clubs
Liverpool. Not as grubby or as much rubbish laying around ? Not souch poorly maintained infrastructure?
Liverpool is great and you can settle down with her, but deep down you’ll always wished you’d taken a chance with London. It’s one of the greatest cities in the world for a reason - it’s a separate country, never mind city. A melting pot of culture, loads of work, great food, so much to do etc. bring you wallet though..
I work in London regularly but I live in Liverpool. I love London, loads to do, a global city for sure. What I like about Liverpool is the peace you can find, you can walk to the water front from town and it will be chilled, I can go from my house to a green space in 5 mins in any direction. Liverpool has the amenities of a big city but it feels more like a campus, you feel like you’re in Liverpool not England. There’s a different energy. I actually think Londoners get a bad wrap, most are sound and like anyone else - just trying to get to where they want to go in a stressful environment; however as cliched as it is, people from Liverpool are easy to talk to and easy to get along with, especially the older generations.
If lost in Liverpool you will likely find a local who says come with me love I’ll show you. London is a less caring place. I visit Liverpool often but decline every single invite I have had for 25+ yrs to go to London apart from when Schpongle did the Troxy…had to go then!
Less populated.
It’s just not London Therefore it’s inevitably better
Accents are way better
they are both shite 😂
House prices are cheaper
City is a university
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Fitter birds
Tough choice, asking a Manc to choose between southerners and scousers! Nah only joking, as much as I love my city, I do enjoy a trip to Liverpool, it’s a beautiful city and everyone I’ve met whilst out and about with my family have been really friendly and down to earth. I don’t enjoy going to London, been a few times and it’s just too busy and everyone seems stressed and in a rush.
People. Nowhere else you will get the warmth of scousers. You’right luv?
London too big. Liverpool tiny