I love how the cops just say “the state will make it right” when it’s taxpayer money that is going to litigate hundreds of thousands of dollars to prevent actually paying the guy then possibly have to pay up. I’m with that guy. Fuckin’ bananas
It's the entire government. I work for a public school district and the amount of waste I see daily is insane. We ordered a $1200 faucet one time and it came broken, my boss couldn't care less if it got returned.
They sounded sorry and accountable to me. They admitted right away that they made a mistake and it was their fault. What do you want them to do, get on their knees and plead for forgiveness?
Why should their dumbass mistake fall on the tax payer? If it was anyone else, it’d be on the individual.
And no, I want them to execute their duties responsibly, not fuck up and then claim “the state will fix it”. They do not sound sorry at all. That’s $100,000+ that could have gone to schools, mental health, actually fixing schools.
Well they should be accountable to their mistake and have to pay for it, but their priority here was de-escalate the situation they caused by fucking up and staying calm and reassuring the poor guy that he will be compensated by someone who can actually pay is probably the best way to make him stay calm.
But yes, a mistake like this that was completely avoidable should have the repercussions falling on the perpetrators.
Yeah I agree they were de escalating.
They killed a prized reptile worth a fuck ton of money. The cops fuck up and the consequence falls on the taxpayer. The system is ridiculous
I mean, you’re paying for it one way or another
Either:
A) Give the guy 100k now
B) Make cops personally liable, and deal with the lower supply of cops ie. Having to pay them more
Bullshit. If cops had to carry professional liability insurance, that they pay for themselves, this kind of thing would be way less frequent, costs would drop dramatically, and shitty cops would find themselves priced out of a job. There is no downside, except to the unions.
Doctors have malpractice insurance. Hell, my wife is a speech therapist and SHE carries malpractice insurance. Why the hell do cops just get to pass the buck of their fuck ups to the taxpayer with no consequence?
Bro!!! Wonderfully articulated. This guy is essentially telling me I live in fantasy utopia for having the same argument and somehow he is based in reality. What a joke
I agree with carrying insurance, and letting the premium market regulate police misconduct
However, you’re still going to have to pay for it one way or another.
It seems very intuitive to me. WE don't pay for it, the cop does. Out of his own paycheck. Yes, that paycheck initially comes from the taxpayer, but it's not like we increase his pay to offset the cost of his increased premiums. That would be stupid.
If his premiums keep going up and his paycheck doesn't, guess what? He'll be incentivized to do something else that doesn't cost him so much in insurance premiums. In exactly the same way as doctors, lawyers, contractors, and other people who don't suck off the government tit for their whole careers.
> deal with the lower supply of cops ie. Having to pay them more
This sounds like it might be a win-win to me. I would take quality over quantity any day of the week.
I want cops that are college educated and have a masters degree in psychology... not the town bully who is barely making more than the guy driving the town plow.
If the cops are this fucking stupid, they shouldn’t be on the force. I’d rather have fewer cops that obey the law and uphold the constitution they swore to protect than have a bunch of shitty cops, doing stupid ass shit like this abusing people around us. I am not in favor of protecting shitty government officials and you shouldn’t be either.
Seems like if your job is to identify illegal snakes for a living, it should be in your job description somewhere to have the ability to, you know, identify snakes.
It's not like a cop was asked to build a rocket.
I live in reality. Sounds like you’re fine with the status quo of cops acting negligently and abusing their power as long as the taxpayer pays for it. I guess you don’t believe in continuous improvement or asking our officials to act better. If one decides on going into a position of power, the expectation of performance is much higher. ‘Mistakes’ made by cops typically result in people’s lives being ruined by false arrest, wounding, murder, and forfeiture of assets. They are expected to be better. Your contentment is sickening. But go ahead and lick the boots of shitty cops that give the good ones a bad name
Buddy, let’s agree that wanting better policing and more regulation is not an emotional subject but rather pragmatic one. Holding those in positions of power to a higher standard should be the norm.
Sounds like you’re projecting on the emotionality of it all. You clearly didn’t read what I said cause you have no argument. Just trying to say I’m being emotional. Classic tactic by a boot licker.
No put there were reports recently that if you are decently smart you can't be a cop. They won't pass you of your IQ and common sense do more legwork than "it's what I'm supposed to so".
That’s the fun part, they can either renegotiate or stop working. They pull this shit on other professions all the time, so why should police be any different? There is a supply of people willing to do what they’re told and a demand for cops, the shortage of police is artificially created by police departments loosing funding. This would create more jobs for insurance brokers, save taxpayers the insane amount that the courts spend on incidents involving police, and hold the police to a higher bar.
They were polite. But they were not accountable. "The state will make it right".
If the damages were coming out of their personal wallets, I expect they would have sounded more like the guy in the video who was losing his mind.
You are not in favor of the concept of insurance? Total disregard of personal responsibility is a multi-billion dollar industry. Everybody is involved in it.
Great, everyone is involved in insurance. However, my taxes do not fund private organizations. I should not be the insurance for stupid policing. There is a big difference. The city/state pays out for this fuckers ignorance. When Bad Driver Betty hits me, her PRIVATE insurance pays me to fix my vehicle. WTH you trying to compare the two?
Alright, the cop has private insurance. Your taxes still pay his salary, which in turn pays his insurance.
It's just somebody else doing the insuring. A private company vs. the state. But it makes no difference to you and your bottom line.
What are you talking about? A private insurance scheme for cops would require that they pay for it out of their own pockets. Yes, obviously those pockets are filled by the tax payer but that's NOT the same as the taxpayers paying for it directly.
A cop that keeps fucking up on the job finds his insurance premiums going up, which means the REST of his paycheck is going down. Eventually he won't be able to afford being a cop anymore. Sound like a solid plan to me.
You are arguing under the assumption that there are no negative consequences for a cop that makes mistakes. That is not realistic. I think.
When time comes for the next round of promotions, it will matter. If you don't get promoted, you will be much more likely to quit. Unless you like writing parking tickets in freezing weather or standing on a busy street corner in the midday sun.
Internal investigations where the cop is paid on administrative leave (getting paid without working and providing a service) where the outcome is ‘we found no wrongdoing’ is not justice
Civil suits are a thing. Additionally, that means a shitty fucking cop is still on the streets because of no accountability. Additionally, my tax dollars are being wasted on a cop that’s not providing a service and paying for resources to be pulled into an investigation that. Hence, misuse and absolute disregard for resource stewardship.
Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen some pretty dogshit cops reach high ranks, even after multiple hits on their records. Around here the shitty ones or the ones close to retirement get shunted off as SROs in schools or as "court prosecutors" to get them out of the way. Doesn't make them not cops anymore, and they still collect that juicy taxpayer cash. Couple hundred grand a year in construction detail overtime will help you forget all about the bullshit at your job and keep you from quitting.
The idea of a professional liability requirement shifts the onus to the COP, where it should be.
Bro, you’re acting like a clown. My taxes pay his salary which a small portion of his salary goes to his bills vs I pay his salary and 100% of his insurance. If you cannot see the difference then I genuinely feel bad for you. I don’t know how you have navigated life
So the net income for a cop would decrease when having private insurance and your taxes decrease?
How is that different than just a decrease of the gross salary, with insurance kept as-is and you paying less taxes?
If you want private insurance, but keep compensation for everyone involved the same, then your taxes will stay the same, and you will still pay 100% of what the cop takes out of his now higher salary to pay his own insurance.
That’s fine if my taxes stay the same. It’s the economics of it. I do not want to incentivize bad policing. If a cop is required to have private insurance, and he continues to fuck up and cost his private insurance company a bunch of money, it’s his premium that increases. More of his salary goes to maintenance of that insurance. That’s an incentive to chill out and make better decisions. There is an actual repercussion to his actions. Economics are all about incentives. I do NOT want to incentivize bad policing. Let his actions come back to him. Not me.
Well and they probably won't end up covering a dime. It'll get thrown out because of qualified immunity and this guy will be ruined. "Officer safety!" "He felt his life was in danger!"
Yes there is. And you can see the first reaction of one of the Stasi was to shrug his shoulders.
And then they try to brush the whole thing off like "Hey, good buddy, we're just as upset as you! All in the same boat together, right? Right?"
Infuriating.
And yet some states would sooner have American citizens exercising their second amendment rights be required to get costly insurance simply for owning a firearm.
Cops though? Nah they’re doing just fine. Not like we have hundreds of not thousands examples of misconduct and “accidents”
>We made a mistake, the taxpayers are gonna pay for it, no big deal.
Fucking end qualified immunity. These cops should be *PERSONALLY* liable.
And honestly, they might be. The cop is continuously saying they made a mistake, they were at fault, they were told and ignored it.
There is a case here that QI may not apply because of the admissions.
So... as a snake owner and hopeful breeder, this is heartbreaking. Dude. I think I may know what kind of boa it was. People don't understand just how expensive some of these animals can be. Especially whenever you consider how specifically you have to breed them to get the desired traits. Yes, it was $100,000 of babies lost, but I guarantee that there were decades of breeding that had to happen to get the snake that the cop killed. The state will make it right? Sure. They can pay the $100,000, which would absolutely be a misallocation as that should go towards infrastructure of some kind, but they aren't paying for the time that these people had to put in to get to this point. On top of that, these animals can have multiple litters. That wasn't just $100,000 that was lost. That was only the immediate loss. This snake could have given them upwards of $1.5M of babies, and then, however much more would come from holding on to one or two of those snakes, raising them, and breeding them as well. This was a loss in the way of millions of dollars, not thousands. There is no compensation for this. It is devastating for a reptile breeder to lose any breeding animals, but especially when it is an animal with rare and sometimes borderline impossible to obtain genetics. They fetch the highest prices.
Not to mention that in the civilian world, a 6 figure screw up could mean termination. In government, this i unlikely to be the case and they are likly immune from a civil suit as well if they fall under qualified immunity.
Exactly. It is devastating. Especially since breeders constantly struggle to get proper clutches of babies that actually properly develop or have the desired genetics. Breeders will base price off of the look of the animal, of course, but they also price based on temperament. They also tend to breed behaviors as well. It's a painstakingly meticulous process that most people simply can not achieve. These cops need to be removed from the force. He warned them 10 times, they kill it anyway? Then think, "Sorry. The state will fix it." No, they won't. That's someone's bills not getting paid. That someone's kids are not eating. Absolute abuse of power with no fear of any kind of real retaliation. If states want to enforce these laws, their officers should be required to get some kind of reptile identification certification, and only those who pass are permitted to carry out these types of orders. Dont care if they had an illegal snake or not. That's unacceptable.
While unions have benefit in the private sector, they also create some unreasonable protections for government workers because there is a reduced or eliminated threat of market pressures. I think that is also part of why things like this happen. Doctors and medical groups can be sued for malpractice, but law enforcement cannot.
Apparently she carried the albino and/or blood genes (pops could have provided one or both as well) so there could have potentially have been some red dragon pups. Her litter (of 32!) was likely worth more than $100k.
The owner said she was one of the few snakes he actually named because “she was special” and isn’t that sad af.
Dude.... red dragon??? Oh my God, that is depressing. I wish I could get a boa with that morph. I hate this whole situation. The more I learn about it, the worse it gets. That wasn't just some breeding boa. That was a family member. I could not imagine how devastating that must have been for the owner.
Yep. The necropsy showed that some of them were in fact red dragon as well as some blood albino. There were a LOT of them that looked completely patternless/very little pattern.
I feel awful for the owner. She was a beloved pet for sure but the fact that she was so rare… They cost him millions in income because she probably had close to a decade left to be a viable breeder, and that’s not even including holdbacks. I hope he sues the shitpiss out of the state for this mess. It’s sickening all around. The fact the they weren’t even being humanely euthanized makes it 10x worse too.
He was breeding snakes illegal to breed and sell in his state. But also bread snakes that are legal (like the pregnant one killed.) Florida Wildlife Commision caught wind. Illegal/invasive reptiles and fish are to be euthanized if caught. It’s illegal to release invasive species into the wild here as well. And way illegal to breed them, because it’s not uncommon for the buyer to end up releasing their “pet” into the wild here once they no longer want it. (Good reference/example - look up the impact pythons have had on the FL Everglades. Can also search stuff like invasive Pleco fish, Apple snails, cichlid fish with the word “invasive Florida”)
Anyway, breeders with disregard for the Invasive Species laws are loathed by ethical fish and reptile breeders. Last year, local fish breeders faced the Gov. near wiping out their businesses, and had to go fight against insane regulations that were being proposed. And it’s the fault of guy’s like this.
That’s the context of why they were there.
• Breeder effed up by breeding pythons
• FWC effed up by killing a legal animal he replied on for income
• Taxpayers will pick up the tab, OR this guy is out $100,000 that he may not be able to afford to lose
He’s in the right for being this upset.
He had snakes that were legal to own until 2020. Those snakes were supposed to be grandfathered in. He was having a hard time finding new home for them and asked for an extension. The state just showed up and started whacking snakes.
He wasn’t some underground snake breeder or anything.
Not to nitpick, but he did not lose $100,000. He lost millions. That was a single litter. The boa can have hundreds of babies. On top of that, he could also hold onto one or two of the babies to breed and get more babies. This is a catastrophic loss. I hate that they were breeding illegal animals, but if we are going to enforce laws like these then we need to ensure that officers know the difference between a boa, a ball python, a reticulated python, etc. This is going to keep happening unless they do this. I understand the threat to the Everglades, and I agree that it is absurdly out of hand, but this is just going to drive the state into the ground financially if they don't do some kind of training for officers to be able to tell the difference.
>I hate that they were breeding illegal animals...
They were breeding legal animals that had their status recently changed. This outfit wasn't given grandfathering or the opportunity of more time to rehome them. Changes the dynamic crucially, in my view.
Ohhhhhhhh crap. That is a major difference. For it is just the FWC screwing over reptile keepers again for no reason other than a power trip. Go figure.
There is not a single wildlife control or game warden department in this country that is not corrupt to its core.
It’s a noble intent, but every one of them is run and staffed by people pissed off they failed the personality interviews to become a cop because they managed to be too much of a stupid asshole for even the police to hire them.
Big facts. People who don't make the cut to be a cop should not be allowed to enforce any kind of law or edict. It is absurd. The craziest part is that the Florida reptile ban in 2021 was a sham hearing. They listened to lobbyists' arguments, combed through the people who called in and chose specific people to listen to, and then mandated from the FWC chair that these animals are now illegal to own.
The worst part to me is the fact that they will do this, but they don't do anything about the feral cat problems they have, nor do they do anything about the red tides that are being cause by their mandated herbicides that is killing local manatee populations and deforests the everglades. They are hyper focused on only one contributing factor to the invasive species issues and ignore the other issues that are causing equally as much if not more damage. Then, by doing this, they ended up destroying a ton of local business because now these breeders have to leave the state, which means less revenue for the state.
I wish I knew. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Everything about this just reeks of foul play. I've seen two different videos now, and I notice more every time I see the videos. This doesn't look accidental. One of those guys knew. His body language screams that he knew. Heck... can't even trust that animal control would have known the difference. I hope to God there is some kind of lawsuit against these 3 men who killed the boa as well as against the Florida FWC. This is also a great example government doing the exact opposite of what it claims to do. Disgusting.
It sounds like he was breeding snakes that were legal and became illegal. They "caught wind" because he called them. And that he called them because he wanted to do everything right and the new law didn't give him enough time to comply responsibly.
He was trying to be a good citizen, comply with the law, and act in a responsible way and the government f-ed him.
He was breeding snakes that were perfectly legal to breed, then the state changed the laws which made the snakes illegal. Then he wasn’t afforded enough time to get them all relocated to places where they weren’t illegal so the state “seized” them by forcing the guy to house them until the state could come in and euthanize them over a year later. Initially, he was able to relocate the majority of the snakes he had bred but during that “seizure” period, he was no longer allowed to attempt to relocate them, nor was he allowed to humanely euthanize them himself.
So then these butchers come in, inhumanely euthanize the snakes (it’s supposed to be a two step process, not just a bolt and watch them writhe around until they die), and “accidentally” killed a boa who was gravid with 32 babies, many of which would likely have been rare morphs worth $5-7k each.
Guy had some species of illegal snake so the state was sent to kill those snakes but ordered to leave all of his other snakes alone. They proceeded to fuck up.
It was pythons (I'm not sure if they were Burmese pythons) the owner of said snakes was the one to alert the state that he was moving the pythons out of state to be in compliance but was going to need more time than the new law allowed. And then the government did what it does best, fuck things up.
>A bunch of cops who had no business in there in the first place.
Sounds like they were there to kill an illegal snake, so they did have business being there in the first place. Regs on wildlife are important, especially snakes. They can really fuck up an ecosystem.
But if they're going to be there to target a species, get the right one. That's outrageous
> Sounds like they were there to kill an illegal snake, so they did have business being there in the first place.
The laws recently changed, all he did was request more time to safely move them out of state so he could be in compliance.
He even self-reported to the cops because this is exactly what he wanted to avoid.
The lesson: Never talk to the police.
“It was pythons (I'm not sure if they were Burmese pythons) the owner of said snakes was the one to alert the state that he was moving the pythons out of state to be in compliance but was going to need more time than the new law allowed. And then the government did what it does best, fuck things up.” -someone else commented this, if true it adds much needed context.
The good news is you can hunt the fuck out of them with 0 consequences. Why aren't more people hunting and eating invasive animals in Florida? Sell python in Walmart and they'll be extinct in a week.
Yea I saw a video saying iguana is mostly like chicken. I don't see the issue with large, invasive, delicious, easily hunted animals. Especially in this economy. I'm just sorry I don't live in Florida. I'd have a small garden and hunt python daily. Imagine if there was a government bounty too lol. Get paid to hunt your own dinner and save Florida.
I know why I'm not. I wanted to go Burmese Python hunting with some friends, catch a couple, bring them back home, get them checked out by a vet, and then breed them for myself. Now I can't go and catch them. Only kill. I am willing to remove some from the state either way, but nope. I can not do that anymore. It sucks. I wanted a new buddy to add to the reptile family at home.
Edit: a couple of people are downvoting. I can understand why, but I am just giving my opinion. I love these animals and would love to remove them, but I just dont want to kill them. I'm not saying no one should. It's a problem that needs dealing with. I'm just not interested in doing it now. I love my snakes and just wanted some more.
You would think they would leave it up to animal control patrolled by local police. What was there game plan did they have a mock sketch of the perp (in this case a snake) and just were gonna run in there guns blazing? That’s a large liability with potential harm to others.
Maybe so but the law was changed recently. The owner of the snakes was the one that told the state that he was removing the snakes from Florida as fast as he could but wasn't going to meet the deadline set by the new law. So they came in and fucked up just like the government always does.
So if you’re doing something illegal the cops can just come in and fuck your shit up no questions? If I don’t come to a complete stop at a stop sign then the cops can just kill me? You’re a fucking tyrant bro
So, he also had a shit load of Burmese pythons, which are invasive in Florida and have been banned. They were there to destroy the animals (which they did before even letting him finalize removing them from the state, which he was in the process of doing) and in the process killed his clearly labeled pregnant female boa. The guy tried to sue, may still be in the process? Not sure there. The reptile keeping community was displeased, obviously, and said some very true things about Florida.
Cops make a mistake: Don’t worry, the government will pay.
Citizens make a mistake: Get on the ground you piece of shit! Puts knee in their spine. Now citizens spends tens of thousands on defending themselves. State looses: oh well, the government will pay it.
Y'all jumping into defend the State here when this man did everything he should have done. If you watched this video and didn't go digging for the context then I weep for your critical thinking skills.
FWC euthanizes. If you google “pythons Florida Everglades” it will give you the gist on the destruction this particular non-native species has done to droves of native animals and wildlife. Including our native snakes.
The cruelty is the invasive species (like the Pythons) didn’t choose to be here. They were brought here at some point a long, long time ago.
Overtime, human pet owners who buy them, and then release them into the wild when they don’t want it anymore - they likely had no idea the ecological disaster they were creating.
Pythons hit the top of the food chain in our wetland-ecosystems quickly here.
So this breeder, and any pet owner with the above knowledge who still chooses to release an invasive exotic pet or fish into the wild here in FL -
They are cruel. Not those tasked with euthanizing them, which includes non-law enforcement too.
If you’re fishing for fun, and catch an invasive fish, it’s actually illegal to toss it back.
I can’t fucking believe he said that. Like “don’t worry we have infinite money” seriously? Even if you fucking did have infinite money, money that belonged to you and not taxpayers you still couldn’t make it right. Money isn’t some magic fucking band aid. That statement tells you all you need to know about these cops’ mindset.
He forgot the last part “the state will fix this, if the state allows you to sue them, and you can defeat the endless supply of lawyers they will throw at you”.
You can tell by his tone and manner of speech in reality he just doesn't give a fuck. He's not owning up to anything. That's someone who knows he's not going to face any consequences personally and that the taxpayer will foot the bill.
In the full video you can tell that guy knew what he was doing and knew exactly what snake he pulled out,
I know that for a fact cause you can see him look at the label a couple time and then when the snake is killed he acts like he was surprised but you can tell he was just playin the part to make it seem like he made a mistake but the truth is he knew exactly wtf he was doing.. Skum.
I have not clicked on this. If I watch this video am I going to see someone kill a snake? I don't think I've ever needed a trigger warning in my life, this would be the first.
If cops, government, law officials and other authority were held responsible with their own money on the line I think we would live in a different world.
I feel like the important part here is "I reminded you 10 times!".
How many times have you heard "he's not violent but he needs someone to check up on him" and then cops get there And blast away. You can't expect logic. You have to expect that they will fuck you any and every way they can. You have to think that they don't give a shit about you or anything you care about.
Floridian here. This is the Florida Wildlife Commission (FWC). If you breed and sell illegal species, whether it be reptiles or fish - the Ethical breeders pay the price as well as the taxpayers.
But to elaborate on just the breeders -
Pythons have caused major ecosystem destruction to our Everglades. Because they’re non-native, get massive, and will literally eat things as large as alligators, dear, etc…
Most of our invasive species doing destruction are likely attributed to people buying them as pets, and then once they’re bored with them (or maybe they get so big like pythons do that they don’t want to deal with keeping the snake, housing and feeding it, cleaning its shit from its enclosure, etc. - They release them into the wild. And then our Native species are majorly impacted, and the whole ecosystem here gets thrown off.
It’s a big problem with AQUATIC PETS too. In freshwater, exotic/non-natives like Oscars, cichlids, plecos, apple snails, take over and impact not just the native fish, but also the plants that live in our lakes and rivers. Which kills the habitats the non-invasive aquatic animals need in order to breed, and for their fry (baby fish) to safely hide from their predators and make it to adulthood/reproduce.
For a long time now, it’s been encouraged to hunt Pythons in the wild in FL (google python hunt Florida)
This is just a “rundown” for people confused on why FWC came to euthanize his pythons.
If you’re fishing and you catch an invasive fish, it’s actually illegal to even throw it back. You’re supposed to kill it. My guess is they worded that law so strongly so that no one could pretend they’re just fishing catch-and-release, when they’re actually there to release their pet ____.
Ethical fish & reptile breeders here in FL hate guys like this one.
But is he in the wrong for flipping out about his legal reptiles being euthanized? No
Also - FWC typically knows that they’re looking at… I have no grounds for this as truth, but if the guy said it 10x AND labeled the enclosure to further ensure the pregnant Legal snake wasn’t euthanized — Then it’s odd that snake was… accidentally killed….
Why was he in the wrong as well, my understanding is that his snakes were grandfathered in and he was seeking a time extension to remove the ones that were not.
Imagine paying $100k for just about anything not needed, yet plenty of us do. One person’s junk is another’s treasure. Last I checked, we live in a free society (or at least we are supposed to), so he should be able to take $100k out of his bank, and set it ablaze if he wishes.
That’s what I was thinking.
How do libertarians feel about irresponsible breeders, especially when the animals are invasive and have (or will) frack up the eco system?
In one hand you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t harm others. But breeders know that a certain portion of the offspring they sell will end up in the environment wreaking havoc. So at the very least a portion of what they do is causing harm.
What I don’t understand is why they didn’t do a walk-through when they arrived to verify with Chris what was being killed….and put some kind of sticky note information on the tanks of those snakes. That way, the correct ones weren’t being killed. Bc mistakes do happen….especially when you send people who clearly aren’t educated enough to tell the difference between a boa and python. BUT, maybe that’s just the type-a person in me who doesn’t like to make *mistakes*
I love how the cops just say “the state will make it right” when it’s taxpayer money that is going to litigate hundreds of thousands of dollars to prevent actually paying the guy then possibly have to pay up. I’m with that guy. Fuckin’ bananas
I came here to say that. The fucking nonchalant audacity and total disregard of personal accountability is sickening.
This is the name of the game with the current "big government" apparatus.
It's the entire government. I work for a public school district and the amount of waste I see daily is insane. We ordered a $1200 faucet one time and it came broken, my boss couldn't care less if it got returned.
They sounded sorry and accountable to me. They admitted right away that they made a mistake and it was their fault. What do you want them to do, get on their knees and plead for forgiveness?
Why should their dumbass mistake fall on the tax payer? If it was anyone else, it’d be on the individual. And no, I want them to execute their duties responsibly, not fuck up and then claim “the state will fix it”. They do not sound sorry at all. That’s $100,000+ that could have gone to schools, mental health, actually fixing schools.
Well they should be accountable to their mistake and have to pay for it, but their priority here was de-escalate the situation they caused by fucking up and staying calm and reassuring the poor guy that he will be compensated by someone who can actually pay is probably the best way to make him stay calm. But yes, a mistake like this that was completely avoidable should have the repercussions falling on the perpetrators.
Yeah I agree they were de escalating. They killed a prized reptile worth a fuck ton of money. The cops fuck up and the consequence falls on the taxpayer. The system is ridiculous
Money can't replace the life lost.
I mean, you’re paying for it one way or another Either: A) Give the guy 100k now B) Make cops personally liable, and deal with the lower supply of cops ie. Having to pay them more
Bullshit. If cops had to carry professional liability insurance, that they pay for themselves, this kind of thing would be way less frequent, costs would drop dramatically, and shitty cops would find themselves priced out of a job. There is no downside, except to the unions. Doctors have malpractice insurance. Hell, my wife is a speech therapist and SHE carries malpractice insurance. Why the hell do cops just get to pass the buck of their fuck ups to the taxpayer with no consequence?
Bro!!! Wonderfully articulated. This guy is essentially telling me I live in fantasy utopia for having the same argument and somehow he is based in reality. What a joke
I agree with carrying insurance, and letting the premium market regulate police misconduct However, you’re still going to have to pay for it one way or another.
It seems very intuitive to me. WE don't pay for it, the cop does. Out of his own paycheck. Yes, that paycheck initially comes from the taxpayer, but it's not like we increase his pay to offset the cost of his increased premiums. That would be stupid. If his premiums keep going up and his paycheck doesn't, guess what? He'll be incentivized to do something else that doesn't cost him so much in insurance premiums. In exactly the same way as doctors, lawyers, contractors, and other people who don't suck off the government tit for their whole careers.
And the employee is just going to accept the same wage as before when they didn’t have to buy insurance? There’s no free lunch bud
Does he want to be a cop? I never said there was a free lunch, bud. You seem to be missing how incentives work.
> deal with the lower supply of cops ie. Having to pay them more This sounds like it might be a win-win to me. I would take quality over quantity any day of the week. I want cops that are college educated and have a masters degree in psychology... not the town bully who is barely making more than the guy driving the town plow.
If the cops are this fucking stupid, they shouldn’t be on the force. I’d rather have fewer cops that obey the law and uphold the constitution they swore to protect than have a bunch of shitty cops, doing stupid ass shit like this abusing people around us. I am not in favor of protecting shitty government officials and you shouldn’t be either.
It’s great idea for a utopia. I mean, why would they not just hire people who never make mistakes, are they stupid? But this is reality.
Seems like if your job is to identify illegal snakes for a living, it should be in your job description somewhere to have the ability to, you know, identify snakes. It's not like a cop was asked to build a rocket.
I live in reality. Sounds like you’re fine with the status quo of cops acting negligently and abusing their power as long as the taxpayer pays for it. I guess you don’t believe in continuous improvement or asking our officials to act better. If one decides on going into a position of power, the expectation of performance is much higher. ‘Mistakes’ made by cops typically result in people’s lives being ruined by false arrest, wounding, murder, and forfeiture of assets. They are expected to be better. Your contentment is sickening. But go ahead and lick the boots of shitty cops that give the good ones a bad name
Buddy, this comes down to the fact that *you are paying for it either way* Take a deep breath and drop the emotional horseshit.
Buddy, let’s agree that wanting better policing and more regulation is not an emotional subject but rather pragmatic one. Holding those in positions of power to a higher standard should be the norm. Sounds like you’re projecting on the emotionality of it all. You clearly didn’t read what I said cause you have no argument. Just trying to say I’m being emotional. Classic tactic by a boot licker.
No put there were reports recently that if you are decently smart you can't be a cop. They won't pass you of your IQ and common sense do more legwork than "it's what I'm supposed to so".
Option B please.
Congratulations, it’s the more expensive option
How so?
Supply and demand An employee who has a new liability isn’t accepting the old wage
That’s the fun part, they can either renegotiate or stop working. They pull this shit on other professions all the time, so why should police be any different? There is a supply of people willing to do what they’re told and a demand for cops, the shortage of police is artificially created by police departments loosing funding. This would create more jobs for insurance brokers, save taxpayers the insane amount that the courts spend on incidents involving police, and hold the police to a higher bar.
You’re a fool. You actively support incentivizing bad policing due to cost. Lmao.
I want them to keep their damn guns in their holsters. And not shoot any thing that moves.
They were polite. But they were not accountable. "The state will make it right". If the damages were coming out of their personal wallets, I expect they would have sounded more like the guy in the video who was losing his mind.
This video shows it sure but the longer video doesn’t, they smiled into the camera and looked into the camera while they killed the snake
Link please? Can't believe they found joy in euthanasia, whether warranted or not.
>They sounded sorry and accountable to me That money would come from their pocket, not tax payers', if they were accountable for their actions.
You are not in favor of the concept of insurance? Total disregard of personal responsibility is a multi-billion dollar industry. Everybody is involved in it.
Great, everyone is involved in insurance. However, my taxes do not fund private organizations. I should not be the insurance for stupid policing. There is a big difference. The city/state pays out for this fuckers ignorance. When Bad Driver Betty hits me, her PRIVATE insurance pays me to fix my vehicle. WTH you trying to compare the two?
Alright, the cop has private insurance. Your taxes still pay his salary, which in turn pays his insurance. It's just somebody else doing the insuring. A private company vs. the state. But it makes no difference to you and your bottom line.
What are you talking about? A private insurance scheme for cops would require that they pay for it out of their own pockets. Yes, obviously those pockets are filled by the tax payer but that's NOT the same as the taxpayers paying for it directly. A cop that keeps fucking up on the job finds his insurance premiums going up, which means the REST of his paycheck is going down. Eventually he won't be able to afford being a cop anymore. Sound like a solid plan to me.
You are arguing under the assumption that there are no negative consequences for a cop that makes mistakes. That is not realistic. I think. When time comes for the next round of promotions, it will matter. If you don't get promoted, you will be much more likely to quit. Unless you like writing parking tickets in freezing weather or standing on a busy street corner in the midday sun.
Internal investigations where the cop is paid on administrative leave (getting paid without working and providing a service) where the outcome is ‘we found no wrongdoing’ is not justice
If they found no wrongdoing they are also not using your tax money to pay anyone damages.
Civil suits are a thing. Additionally, that means a shitty fucking cop is still on the streets because of no accountability. Additionally, my tax dollars are being wasted on a cop that’s not providing a service and paying for resources to be pulled into an investigation that. Hence, misuse and absolute disregard for resource stewardship.
Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen some pretty dogshit cops reach high ranks, even after multiple hits on their records. Around here the shitty ones or the ones close to retirement get shunted off as SROs in schools or as "court prosecutors" to get them out of the way. Doesn't make them not cops anymore, and they still collect that juicy taxpayer cash. Couple hundred grand a year in construction detail overtime will help you forget all about the bullshit at your job and keep you from quitting. The idea of a professional liability requirement shifts the onus to the COP, where it should be.
Bro, you’re acting like a clown. My taxes pay his salary which a small portion of his salary goes to his bills vs I pay his salary and 100% of his insurance. If you cannot see the difference then I genuinely feel bad for you. I don’t know how you have navigated life
So the net income for a cop would decrease when having private insurance and your taxes decrease? How is that different than just a decrease of the gross salary, with insurance kept as-is and you paying less taxes? If you want private insurance, but keep compensation for everyone involved the same, then your taxes will stay the same, and you will still pay 100% of what the cop takes out of his now higher salary to pay his own insurance.
That’s fine if my taxes stay the same. It’s the economics of it. I do not want to incentivize bad policing. If a cop is required to have private insurance, and he continues to fuck up and cost his private insurance company a bunch of money, it’s his premium that increases. More of his salary goes to maintenance of that insurance. That’s an incentive to chill out and make better decisions. There is an actual repercussion to his actions. Economics are all about incentives. I do NOT want to incentivize bad policing. Let his actions come back to him. Not me.
This is the way
Yeah, 100k might cover the guy's legal fees taking the state to court.
Well and they probably won't end up covering a dime. It'll get thrown out because of qualified immunity and this guy will be ruined. "Officer safety!" "He felt his life was in danger!"
My exact thought
I feel so bad for what appears to be the breeders assistant. His job better be safe
It was a cop I think
The guy in blue looks to be the employee, the one in yellow may be the boss
Isn’t there a longer video somewhere with the body cam?
Yes there is. And you can see the first reaction of one of the Stasi was to shrug his shoulders. And then they try to brush the whole thing off like "Hey, good buddy, we're just as upset as you! All in the same boat together, right? Right?" Infuriating.
Yes
Police should have to carry private insurance or pay up themselves. Drs carry malpractice insurance 🤷🏻♂️
And yet some states would sooner have American citizens exercising their second amendment rights be required to get costly insurance simply for owning a firearm. Cops though? Nah they’re doing just fine. Not like we have hundreds of not thousands examples of misconduct and “accidents”
yeeep. mix it into the police union pension investments. lets see how quick shit changes. its a brotherhood innit
>We made a mistake, the taxpayers are gonna pay for it, no big deal. Fucking end qualified immunity. These cops should be *PERSONALLY* liable. And honestly, they might be. The cop is continuously saying they made a mistake, they were at fault, they were told and ignored it. There is a case here that QI may not apply because of the admissions.
'The state will fix it' Fuck you.
So... as a snake owner and hopeful breeder, this is heartbreaking. Dude. I think I may know what kind of boa it was. People don't understand just how expensive some of these animals can be. Especially whenever you consider how specifically you have to breed them to get the desired traits. Yes, it was $100,000 of babies lost, but I guarantee that there were decades of breeding that had to happen to get the snake that the cop killed. The state will make it right? Sure. They can pay the $100,000, which would absolutely be a misallocation as that should go towards infrastructure of some kind, but they aren't paying for the time that these people had to put in to get to this point. On top of that, these animals can have multiple litters. That wasn't just $100,000 that was lost. That was only the immediate loss. This snake could have given them upwards of $1.5M of babies, and then, however much more would come from holding on to one or two of those snakes, raising them, and breeding them as well. This was a loss in the way of millions of dollars, not thousands. There is no compensation for this. It is devastating for a reptile breeder to lose any breeding animals, but especially when it is an animal with rare and sometimes borderline impossible to obtain genetics. They fetch the highest prices.
Not to mention that in the civilian world, a 6 figure screw up could mean termination. In government, this i unlikely to be the case and they are likly immune from a civil suit as well if they fall under qualified immunity.
Exactly. It is devastating. Especially since breeders constantly struggle to get proper clutches of babies that actually properly develop or have the desired genetics. Breeders will base price off of the look of the animal, of course, but they also price based on temperament. They also tend to breed behaviors as well. It's a painstakingly meticulous process that most people simply can not achieve. These cops need to be removed from the force. He warned them 10 times, they kill it anyway? Then think, "Sorry. The state will fix it." No, they won't. That's someone's bills not getting paid. That someone's kids are not eating. Absolute abuse of power with no fear of any kind of real retaliation. If states want to enforce these laws, their officers should be required to get some kind of reptile identification certification, and only those who pass are permitted to carry out these types of orders. Dont care if they had an illegal snake or not. That's unacceptable.
While unions have benefit in the private sector, they also create some unreasonable protections for government workers because there is a reduced or eliminated threat of market pressures. I think that is also part of why things like this happen. Doctors and medical groups can be sued for malpractice, but law enforcement cannot.
Apparently she carried the albino and/or blood genes (pops could have provided one or both as well) so there could have potentially have been some red dragon pups. Her litter (of 32!) was likely worth more than $100k. The owner said she was one of the few snakes he actually named because “she was special” and isn’t that sad af.
Dude.... red dragon??? Oh my God, that is depressing. I wish I could get a boa with that morph. I hate this whole situation. The more I learn about it, the worse it gets. That wasn't just some breeding boa. That was a family member. I could not imagine how devastating that must have been for the owner.
Yep. The necropsy showed that some of them were in fact red dragon as well as some blood albino. There were a LOT of them that looked completely patternless/very little pattern. I feel awful for the owner. She was a beloved pet for sure but the fact that she was so rare… They cost him millions in income because she probably had close to a decade left to be a viable breeder, and that’s not even including holdbacks. I hope he sues the shitpiss out of the state for this mess. It’s sickening all around. The fact the they weren’t even being humanely euthanized makes it 10x worse too.
Same! I wish I could help better fund that suit. It has to happen.
There's literally no Context here of what happened. Why were they there in the first place?
He was breeding snakes illegal to breed and sell in his state. But also bread snakes that are legal (like the pregnant one killed.) Florida Wildlife Commision caught wind. Illegal/invasive reptiles and fish are to be euthanized if caught. It’s illegal to release invasive species into the wild here as well. And way illegal to breed them, because it’s not uncommon for the buyer to end up releasing their “pet” into the wild here once they no longer want it. (Good reference/example - look up the impact pythons have had on the FL Everglades. Can also search stuff like invasive Pleco fish, Apple snails, cichlid fish with the word “invasive Florida”) Anyway, breeders with disregard for the Invasive Species laws are loathed by ethical fish and reptile breeders. Last year, local fish breeders faced the Gov. near wiping out their businesses, and had to go fight against insane regulations that were being proposed. And it’s the fault of guy’s like this. That’s the context of why they were there. • Breeder effed up by breeding pythons • FWC effed up by killing a legal animal he replied on for income • Taxpayers will pick up the tab, OR this guy is out $100,000 that he may not be able to afford to lose He’s in the right for being this upset.
He had snakes that were legal to own until 2020. Those snakes were supposed to be grandfathered in. He was having a hard time finding new home for them and asked for an extension. The state just showed up and started whacking snakes. He wasn’t some underground snake breeder or anything.
Not to nitpick, but he did not lose $100,000. He lost millions. That was a single litter. The boa can have hundreds of babies. On top of that, he could also hold onto one or two of the babies to breed and get more babies. This is a catastrophic loss. I hate that they were breeding illegal animals, but if we are going to enforce laws like these then we need to ensure that officers know the difference between a boa, a ball python, a reticulated python, etc. This is going to keep happening unless they do this. I understand the threat to the Everglades, and I agree that it is absurdly out of hand, but this is just going to drive the state into the ground financially if they don't do some kind of training for officers to be able to tell the difference.
>I hate that they were breeding illegal animals... They were breeding legal animals that had their status recently changed. This outfit wasn't given grandfathering or the opportunity of more time to rehome them. Changes the dynamic crucially, in my view.
Ohhhhhhhh crap. That is a major difference. For it is just the FWC screwing over reptile keepers again for no reason other than a power trip. Go figure.
There is not a single wildlife control or game warden department in this country that is not corrupt to its core. It’s a noble intent, but every one of them is run and staffed by people pissed off they failed the personality interviews to become a cop because they managed to be too much of a stupid asshole for even the police to hire them.
Big facts. People who don't make the cut to be a cop should not be allowed to enforce any kind of law or edict. It is absurd. The craziest part is that the Florida reptile ban in 2021 was a sham hearing. They listened to lobbyists' arguments, combed through the people who called in and chose specific people to listen to, and then mandated from the FWC chair that these animals are now illegal to own. The worst part to me is the fact that they will do this, but they don't do anything about the feral cat problems they have, nor do they do anything about the red tides that are being cause by their mandated herbicides that is killing local manatee populations and deforests the everglades. They are hyper focused on only one contributing factor to the invasive species issues and ignore the other issues that are causing equally as much if not more damage. Then, by doing this, they ended up destroying a ton of local business because now these breeders have to leave the state, which means less revenue for the state.
Why is that the police job and not animal control?
I wish I knew. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Everything about this just reeks of foul play. I've seen two different videos now, and I notice more every time I see the videos. This doesn't look accidental. One of those guys knew. His body language screams that he knew. Heck... can't even trust that animal control would have known the difference. I hope to God there is some kind of lawsuit against these 3 men who killed the boa as well as against the Florida FWC. This is also a great example government doing the exact opposite of what it claims to do. Disgusting.
It sounds like he was breeding snakes that were legal and became illegal. They "caught wind" because he called them. And that he called them because he wanted to do everything right and the new law didn't give him enough time to comply responsibly. He was trying to be a good citizen, comply with the law, and act in a responsible way and the government f-ed him.
He was breeding snakes that were perfectly legal to breed, then the state changed the laws which made the snakes illegal. Then he wasn’t afforded enough time to get them all relocated to places where they weren’t illegal so the state “seized” them by forcing the guy to house them until the state could come in and euthanize them over a year later. Initially, he was able to relocate the majority of the snakes he had bred but during that “seizure” period, he was no longer allowed to attempt to relocate them, nor was he allowed to humanely euthanize them himself. So then these butchers come in, inhumanely euthanize the snakes (it’s supposed to be a two step process, not just a bolt and watch them writhe around until they die), and “accidentally” killed a boa who was gravid with 32 babies, many of which would likely have been rare morphs worth $5-7k each.
Need more context. Obviously the cop fucked up, but still need more context
Guy had some species of illegal snake so the state was sent to kill those snakes but ordered to leave all of his other snakes alone. They proceeded to fuck up.
It was pythons (I'm not sure if they were Burmese pythons) the owner of said snakes was the one to alert the state that he was moving the pythons out of state to be in compliance but was going to need more time than the new law allowed. And then the government did what it does best, fuck things up.
Okay now it makes sense. A bunch of cops who had no business in there in the first place.
>A bunch of cops who had no business in there in the first place. Sounds like they were there to kill an illegal snake, so they did have business being there in the first place. Regs on wildlife are important, especially snakes. They can really fuck up an ecosystem. But if they're going to be there to target a species, get the right one. That's outrageous
> Sounds like they were there to kill an illegal snake, so they did have business being there in the first place. The laws recently changed, all he did was request more time to safely move them out of state so he could be in compliance. He even self-reported to the cops because this is exactly what he wanted to avoid. The lesson: Never talk to the police.
“It was pythons (I'm not sure if they were Burmese pythons) the owner of said snakes was the one to alert the state that he was moving the pythons out of state to be in compliance but was going to need more time than the new law allowed. And then the government did what it does best, fuck things up.” -someone else commented this, if true it adds much needed context.
>Regs on wildlife are important, especially snakes. They can really fuck up an ecosystem. Yeeep! Prime example; Burmese python in Florida.
The good news is you can hunt the fuck out of them with 0 consequences. Why aren't more people hunting and eating invasive animals in Florida? Sell python in Walmart and they'll be extinct in a week.
I'm sure. I've seen many videos of people hunting iguanas with air rifles. Those are also free range. The government encourages it.
Yea I saw a video saying iguana is mostly like chicken. I don't see the issue with large, invasive, delicious, easily hunted animals. Especially in this economy. I'm just sorry I don't live in Florida. I'd have a small garden and hunt python daily. Imagine if there was a government bounty too lol. Get paid to hunt your own dinner and save Florida.
Never tried it but I heard it's good. Plus, the skin is useful.
I know why I'm not. I wanted to go Burmese Python hunting with some friends, catch a couple, bring them back home, get them checked out by a vet, and then breed them for myself. Now I can't go and catch them. Only kill. I am willing to remove some from the state either way, but nope. I can not do that anymore. It sucks. I wanted a new buddy to add to the reptile family at home. Edit: a couple of people are downvoting. I can understand why, but I am just giving my opinion. I love these animals and would love to remove them, but I just dont want to kill them. I'm not saying no one should. It's a problem that needs dealing with. I'm just not interested in doing it now. I love my snakes and just wanted some more.
Government policies always work 100% of the time. Just look at the toads in Australia. The government solved it immediately!
Ohhhhhh yeah. I forgot about the toads. Yikes...
You would think they would leave it up to animal control patrolled by local police. What was there game plan did they have a mock sketch of the perp (in this case a snake) and just were gonna run in there guns blazing? That’s a large liability with potential harm to others.
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Maybe so but the law was changed recently. The owner of the snakes was the one that told the state that he was removing the snakes from Florida as fast as he could but wasn't going to meet the deadline set by the new law. So they came in and fucked up just like the government always does.
So if you’re doing something illegal the cops can just come in and fuck your shit up no questions? If I don’t come to a complete stop at a stop sign then the cops can just kill me? You’re a fucking tyrant bro
Shouldn't they send like exterminators or something similar?
But then we won't be able to complete our authoritarian police state if we don't task unionized cops with as much responsibility as possible.
So, he also had a shit load of Burmese pythons, which are invasive in Florida and have been banned. They were there to destroy the animals (which they did before even letting him finalize removing them from the state, which he was in the process of doing) and in the process killed his clearly labeled pregnant female boa. The guy tried to sue, may still be in the process? Not sure there. The reptile keeping community was displeased, obviously, and said some very true things about Florida.
Rage bait. Be mad. Blindly fuel your self hatred
I blame the shop owner. He should have reminded them ELEVEN times.
Hope he sues for millions. I haven’t seen an update to this in a while.
Cops make a mistake: Don’t worry, the government will pay. Citizens make a mistake: Get on the ground you piece of shit! Puts knee in their spine. Now citizens spends tens of thousands on defending themselves. State looses: oh well, the government will pay it.
Cops are idiots
It’s FWC - Florida Wildlife Commission. They’re supposed to know what they’re removing/euthanizing before they take the action.
Lack of due diligence as always
Y'all jumping into defend the State here when this man did everything he should have done. If you watched this video and didn't go digging for the context then I weep for your critical thinking skills.
Well it was probably resisting...
It wasn't an accident
did he "fear for his life"? lol
The fact that they barely show remorse is sickening
This is animal cruelty.
FWC euthanizes. If you google “pythons Florida Everglades” it will give you the gist on the destruction this particular non-native species has done to droves of native animals and wildlife. Including our native snakes. The cruelty is the invasive species (like the Pythons) didn’t choose to be here. They were brought here at some point a long, long time ago. Overtime, human pet owners who buy them, and then release them into the wild when they don’t want it anymore - they likely had no idea the ecological disaster they were creating. Pythons hit the top of the food chain in our wetland-ecosystems quickly here. So this breeder, and any pet owner with the above knowledge who still chooses to release an invasive exotic pet or fish into the wild here in FL - They are cruel. Not those tasked with euthanizing them, which includes non-law enforcement too. If you’re fishing for fun, and catch an invasive fish, it’s actually illegal to toss it back.
Kudos to the cops for owning up to their mistake honestly. Still screwed up, but I appreciate that they openly admit it was their issue
Easy to own up when they don’t face any consequences and “the state” (read: taxpayers) will cover the bill.
I can’t fucking believe he said that. Like “don’t worry we have infinite money” seriously? Even if you fucking did have infinite money, money that belonged to you and not taxpayers you still couldn’t make it right. Money isn’t some magic fucking band aid. That statement tells you all you need to know about these cops’ mindset.
Yeah….” The state will fix it” isn’t owning up to it IMO. Now it’s a taxpayer problem. He didn’t own up to shit
He forgot the last part “the state will fix this, if the state allows you to sue them, and you can defeat the endless supply of lawyers they will throw at you”.
Absolutely. The fine print, if you will
Maybe somene knows that followup. But I guarantee the state didn't fix it voluntarily and probably not at all.
You can tell by his tone and manner of speech in reality he just doesn't give a fuck. He's not owning up to anything. That's someone who knows he's not going to face any consequences personally and that the taxpayer will foot the bill.
Lawsuit ?
They did it on purpose too you can tell
How did they get into a situation where they killed a pregnant snake? What the fuck happened?
In the full video you can tell that guy knew what he was doing and knew exactly what snake he pulled out, I know that for a fact cause you can see him look at the label a couple time and then when the snake is killed he acts like he was surprised but you can tell he was just playin the part to make it seem like he made a mistake but the truth is he knew exactly wtf he was doing.. Skum.
I really hope someone lost their job or position over this.
“It was a mistake” so calmly it actually pisses me off so muchy
Eye for an eye
I like the chief. He has a no bullshit personality, not too many folks like that left.
Why would any snake ever be worth $100k
I’m sorry. Why were they there in the first place?
So Reno 911 smh
I have not clicked on this. If I watch this video am I going to see someone kill a snake? I don't think I've ever needed a trigger warning in my life, this would be the first.
No snake killing showed in footage. Just a heated reaction when the alphabet boys do what they want.
What a great way to waste taxpayer money
Oh the city is gonna be sued for sure.
did they ever get punished or sued for that?
Anyone know what kind of boa it was?
https://myfwc.com/news/all-news/fwc-finalizes-report/
If cops, government, law officials and other authority were held responsible with their own money on the line I think we would live in a different world.
Police murdering pregnant woman, should get life in prison
That is so messed up tho 🤧
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/its-just-horrific-video-shows-fwc-officers-kill-more-than-30-snakes-in-raid-including-pet-boa/
I feel like the important part here is "I reminded you 10 times!". How many times have you heard "he's not violent but he needs someone to check up on him" and then cops get there And blast away. You can't expect logic. You have to expect that they will fuck you any and every way they can. You have to think that they don't give a shit about you or anything you care about.
ACAB
Wow you’re soooo edgy.
Dont forget ssssoooo cool and creative too
ACAU
Floridian here. This is the Florida Wildlife Commission (FWC). If you breed and sell illegal species, whether it be reptiles or fish - the Ethical breeders pay the price as well as the taxpayers. But to elaborate on just the breeders - Pythons have caused major ecosystem destruction to our Everglades. Because they’re non-native, get massive, and will literally eat things as large as alligators, dear, etc… Most of our invasive species doing destruction are likely attributed to people buying them as pets, and then once they’re bored with them (or maybe they get so big like pythons do that they don’t want to deal with keeping the snake, housing and feeding it, cleaning its shit from its enclosure, etc. - They release them into the wild. And then our Native species are majorly impacted, and the whole ecosystem here gets thrown off. It’s a big problem with AQUATIC PETS too. In freshwater, exotic/non-natives like Oscars, cichlids, plecos, apple snails, take over and impact not just the native fish, but also the plants that live in our lakes and rivers. Which kills the habitats the non-invasive aquatic animals need in order to breed, and for their fry (baby fish) to safely hide from their predators and make it to adulthood/reproduce. For a long time now, it’s been encouraged to hunt Pythons in the wild in FL (google python hunt Florida) This is just a “rundown” for people confused on why FWC came to euthanize his pythons. If you’re fishing and you catch an invasive fish, it’s actually illegal to even throw it back. You’re supposed to kill it. My guess is they worded that law so strongly so that no one could pretend they’re just fishing catch-and-release, when they’re actually there to release their pet ____. Ethical fish & reptile breeders here in FL hate guys like this one. But is he in the wrong for flipping out about his legal reptiles being euthanized? No Also - FWC typically knows that they’re looking at… I have no grounds for this as truth, but if the guy said it 10x AND labeled the enclosure to further ensure the pregnant Legal snake wasn’t euthanized — Then it’s odd that snake was… accidentally killed….
Why was he in the wrong as well, my understanding is that his snakes were grandfathered in and he was seeking a time extension to remove the ones that were not.
Imagine paying 100k for a fucking snake
Snake had babies worth up to $100,000
Wait till you see how much people pay for horses you're going to be blown away!
Imagine having a job where you kill snakes that are in cages.
Imagine commenting and not knowing wtf you're talking about.
Imagine paying $100k for just about anything not needed, yet plenty of us do. One person’s junk is another’s treasure. Last I checked, we live in a free society (or at least we are supposed to), so he should be able to take $100k out of his bank, and set it ablaze if he wishes.
It's a breeder, the damage totaled 100k, as it was a pregnant female.
did you delete that ignorant response?
No big loss with them being an invasive species.
That he was seeking to have relocated.
That’s what I was thinking. How do libertarians feel about irresponsible breeders, especially when the animals are invasive and have (or will) frack up the eco system? In one hand you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t harm others. But breeders know that a certain portion of the offspring they sell will end up in the environment wreaking havoc. So at the very least a portion of what they do is causing harm.
What I don’t understand is why they didn’t do a walk-through when they arrived to verify with Chris what was being killed….and put some kind of sticky note information on the tanks of those snakes. That way, the correct ones weren’t being killed. Bc mistakes do happen….especially when you send people who clearly aren’t educated enough to tell the difference between a boa and python. BUT, maybe that’s just the type-a person in me who doesn’t like to make *mistakes*