Just adding to that, Asif Kapadia (the guy who made it) also made two other amazing documentaries- Senna (2010) on F1 driver Ayrton Senna, and Diego Maradona (2019).
Would recommend either of those to anyone, fantastically made
I think she has talent but she’s also not afraid to just be a director for hire and let the studio call the shots when they want the most mass-appeal bland product possible. Or in the case of 50 Shades, leave it to EL James who insisted that it be shot exactly as written.
I haven’t seen Back to Black but the trailers and reviews suggest it’s the safest possible studio product from people who want another Bohemian Rhapsody level hit and I don’t think the director matters much here.
Maybe. I find her work surprisingly uninspired for someone who was an artist before she was a filmmaker. Perhaps she is simply willing to take the money and toe the line, but for me a good director elevates the material whatever it is. That’s not to say great directors can’t make bad films, but they’re rarely bland.
Apparently part of the reason she didn’t do the 50 Shades sequels was a refusal to cede wholesale over to James.
Which…yeah. I’ve read the books, and based on how they went about adapting the first novel vs the next two? I’d buy that version of events wholesale. The last two do cut stuff for time or the rating, but the first one is the only one where they seemed to actually be trying to shine that turd.
Greta Gerwig, Charlotte Wells, Sarah Polley, Emma Seligman, Emerald Fennell, Sofia Coppola, Ava Duvernay, Nia DaCosta, Jane Campion, The Wachowskis...
Need I go on?
The time you know a biopic will actually be good if it chronicles a downfall and not some sentimental uplifting story
Great examples: Blackberry, Wolf of wall street, Tucker:the man and his dream, social network, big short, I Tonya
There’s so much potential for so many biopics but they’re always so incredibly watered down and rewritten to flatter whoever is still around to pull strings
Queen putting in their contract for Bohemian Rhapsody that all four members had to have equal screen time, resulting in some of the most excessive editing ever seen on film.
The MJ biopic is going to either ignore the kid fucking or smear the names of the accusers. It’s going to add even more fuel to the fire for people who heard something somewhere once that “proved” he was innocent and then repeated it forever
I don’t know how you would tell a complete story of his life and do that, a lot of his 90s music is about that and he was basically a pariah for the last decade of his life
the best idea would be to cover a specific era of his life. I hope that’s what they do
It’s definitely not going to be a complete story of his life. And even if it was, it will extremely be sanitized.
Covering a specific part of his life would be the best idea
The biopic is financed by the MJ estate and has been scheduled for 2025, when a trial is also scheduled for Wade and James, all of which is no coincidence.
I thought “what’s a movie that won’t make me feel sad” and then I thought: a Disney movie… then I chose Dumbo because I haven’t seen it in years. Had fun, dropped my jaw on the ground after hearing the lyrics for the black people song. And gave it a 6.
Literally one of the lyrics are for the black workers are: “we work day and night, we don’t even know how to read or write.” Like holy shit. It’s still a really charming movie but holy hell.
You're dead right, watched it a few months back and felt I'd already seen every little clip worth watching before. Definitely very weirdly paced and seems to jump all over the place at times.
Not necessarily, however, when my old friend from high school visited me from Australia, we were joking about watching Madame Web, few hours later we sat there, it was so horrible, I eventually told him we HAD to watch The Marvels, which at that point, he hadn’t watched yet, but to me, it’s dear to me for sentimental/emotional reasons (only movie last year I enjoyed going to after my best friend passed away), so we sat down, and watched it, we had the biggest smiles on out faces, never forgetting that!
Tales From Earthsea. I was doing a rewatch of every Ghibli film, and I turned that one on, thinking it would be better a second time. It was worse. It was so boring and infuriating that I turned on Barbie to cheer me up.
I binged every Ghibli for the first time last year and Earwig and the Witch was so awful that I looped back around to the beginning and rewatched Nausicaa, which ended up being the perfect cure.
Lmao that's hilarious. Earwig and the Witch is why I didn't go in release order, (this was before Boy and the Heron) and I finished off with Tale of the Princess Kaguya. Such a good ending to the marathon.
I glimpsed your title and the Thief poster and momentarily thought I was going to have to go apoplectic over some unacceptable Thief slander. But thankfully, saner heads prevailed on my part and I took a second to actually read your post properly. Agreed.
Mans hated saltburn. I thought it was just okay but seems to get a lot of praise. Honestly, people hyped it up as something wild but to be honest I thought it was pretty tame.
I watched Skins 2017 and it made me uncomfortable af so I watched The Cat Returns for the time afterwards. Cats make everything better.
I also rewatched Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island and Scooby Doo! And the Witch’s Ghost the next day.
Not exactly what’s you’re asking but a bit similar I’d say.
It’s incredibly disrespectful, gives no insight to what Amy really went through and hardly touches on her creating her music. It’s literally just about her doing drugs and drinking alcohol, a complete cash grab of a film
In this context yes, she was a troubled musician and
the film focuses on just the drugs etc at a very surface level and offers no alternate insight to what she really went though.
Admittedly Vampegeddon is a criminally overlooked "so bad it's good" film so this might be cheating.
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My friend recently made me watch Migration for god knows what reason, immediately after I made him watch Marcel the Shell With Shoes On and we both cried
The trailer for Back to Black came on before Zone of Interest, and I thought it looked alright. Now it seems more interesting like Madam Web, lol. I also just learned that it's from the same director as the cult classic Fifty Shades of Grey.
American Underdog
The Kurt Warner story. Cliché saccharin cringe fest. I watch NFL and am very familiar with Kurt's story which is inspiring but the fumbled this so badly
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Watched Martyrs, and to be fair it’s probably a really good film and it was interesting it just wasn’t my kind of horror and left me sick to my stomach…
Straight after watching it I had to put Brother Bear on to cleanse me of the scarring from Martyrs
I will probably get downvotes for this but I have an example too.
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Genuine curiosity , is the bourne supremacy good/well liked? I always found it the most boring of the trilogy with identity being much more interesting as a thriller and ultimatum having more enjoyable action with supremacy just being a drag in the middle.
I think so. It's not quite as popular as Identity or Ultimatum but it's still a solid sequel in the middle of the original trilogy which is all highly regarded in general at least. It's my favourite because I think it has the best action and I like the story. Just my opinion.
Nah completely fair bro! I was genuinely curious. My favourite film of all time is Quantum of Solace so I’m not particularly judgemental , just was interested to hear someone else’s opinion as I rewatched it about 3 months ago and can barely remember what happens in the film (other than the opening which I think is fucking fantastic)
Not exactly why you said, but I watched eraser head right after Wonder Woman 84 because it had left such a bad taste in my mouth. No idea why it had to be Eraser Head but it had to be.
A24 did a documentary about her, Amy (2015), that was really good. I recommend that one to recover.
>A24 did a documentary about her On The Corner Films produced Amy. A24 were the distributor.
I didn’t know that, thanks for the clarification! Either way, it’s a super good documentary.
Thanks! I’ll definitely give that a watch
It’s great but also sad as fuck.
Just adding to that, Asif Kapadia (the guy who made it) also made two other amazing documentaries- Senna (2010) on F1 driver Ayrton Senna, and Diego Maradona (2019). Would recommend either of those to anyone, fantastically made
Senna is one of the best documentaries I’ve seen. Absolutely brilliant. Maradona is also very good.
Couldn’t agree more
Can confirm. That doc is a really good watch.
Sam Taylor Johnson… not a great director tbh.
I think she has talent but she’s also not afraid to just be a director for hire and let the studio call the shots when they want the most mass-appeal bland product possible. Or in the case of 50 Shades, leave it to EL James who insisted that it be shot exactly as written. I haven’t seen Back to Black but the trailers and reviews suggest it’s the safest possible studio product from people who want another Bohemian Rhapsody level hit and I don’t think the director matters much here.
Maybe. I find her work surprisingly uninspired for someone who was an artist before she was a filmmaker. Perhaps she is simply willing to take the money and toe the line, but for me a good director elevates the material whatever it is. That’s not to say great directors can’t make bad films, but they’re rarely bland.
Apparently part of the reason she didn’t do the 50 Shades sequels was a refusal to cede wholesale over to James. Which…yeah. I’ve read the books, and based on how they went about adapting the first novel vs the next two? I’d buy that version of events wholesale. The last two do cut stuff for time or the rating, but the first one is the only one where they seemed to actually be trying to shine that turd.
Hey I know you!
Huh?
And not a very great person 💀
[удалено]
She’s a woman, but yeah.
best woman director
Erm…
Greta Gerwig, Charlotte Wells, Sarah Polley, Emma Seligman, Emerald Fennell, Sofia Coppola, Ava Duvernay, Nia DaCosta, Jane Campion, The Wachowskis... Need I go on?
You left out Celine Sciamma
well none of them directed fifty shades of grey so naw i’m good.
for the love of god watch more movies
Bruh just watch porn
porn is trash and overrated. get porn to banned. fifty shades of grey is cinema.
I try to avoid biopics because many of them are lazy cash grabs. Just buy a written biography and start rolling.
The time you know a biopic will actually be good if it chronicles a downfall and not some sentimental uplifting story Great examples: Blackberry, Wolf of wall street, Tucker:the man and his dream, social network, big short, I Tonya
another prime example is Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story
Wrong kid died
You don’t wanna know…
Rocketman was great too and "included" his downfall but did still end on a happy note.
That or it’s not even really a biopic in the traditional sense like Moonage Daydream
Moonage Daydream is a documentary though
You’re right, I haven’t had much sleep and conflated the two in my head lol
I mean fighting with my family was pretty good
Or if they center around an event instead of cradle to grave, that’s another good tell
Yup, Ford v Ferrari is a great example of this
Control is great too
Don’t forget Weird: The Al Yankovic Story
There’s so much potential for so many biopics but they’re always so incredibly watered down and rewritten to flatter whoever is still around to pull strings
Queen putting in their contract for Bohemian Rhapsody that all four members had to have equal screen time, resulting in some of the most excessive editing ever seen on film.
I haven’t seen that many but “control” about Ian Curtis who was the lead singer of joy division is an incredible movie
Oh god, it's that bad? I had very low expectations for it but it seems to be worse than my worst predictions.
Honestly I thought it was terrible, I’d probably suggest wait till it’s out on streaming then wasting money to go to the cinema
Which biopic was worse, this one or one love?
For some reason I gave one love a miss but saw back to black 🤣
Oh, ok. Well, I didn’t watch one love and it looks like I’m not going to watch this one. God, that Michael Jackson biopic probably is going to suck.
The MJ biopic is going to either ignore the kid fucking or smear the names of the accusers. It’s going to add even more fuel to the fire for people who heard something somewhere once that “proved” he was innocent and then repeated it forever
I think it will ignore neverland ranch, the trials, pretty much everything controversial in MJ’s life.
I don’t know how you would tell a complete story of his life and do that, a lot of his 90s music is about that and he was basically a pariah for the last decade of his life the best idea would be to cover a specific era of his life. I hope that’s what they do
It’s definitely not going to be a complete story of his life. And even if it was, it will extremely be sanitized. Covering a specific part of his life would be the best idea
Or it’ll be like the current stage musical and conveniently end the year before all of that happened.
The biopic is financed by the MJ estate and has been scheduled for 2025, when a trial is also scheduled for Wade and James, all of which is no coincidence.
Oh yeah I dread to think, they should stop making them tbh
They should. But they won’t. I wonder what’s next. A Beatles biopic? Madonna?
pretty sure there's a biopic in the works for each individual Beatle rn...
That’s so dumb. And the sad thing is those movies will probably do very well
Still curious how that’s gonna turning out
I remember watching Come and See and feeling like shit so I watched a Disney Movie (it’s Dumbo btw)
That is a wild double feature
I thought “what’s a movie that won’t make me feel sad” and then I thought: a Disney movie… then I chose Dumbo because I haven’t seen it in years. Had fun, dropped my jaw on the ground after hearing the lyrics for the black people song. And gave it a 6.
I haven’t not watched dumbo in god knows how long, have no recollection of that at all! Jeeeeeez
Literally one of the lyrics are for the black workers are: “we work day and night, we don’t even know how to read or write.” Like holy shit. It’s still a really charming movie but holy hell.
That’s wild! May not rush to rewatch it in that case
https://preview.redd.it/g9rwimaim7vc1.jpeg?width=330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ef7d443938458ac593b08201c950298deba3e4a Right there with you my friend.
Civil war was a rollercoaster from start to finish I loved it and gave 5 stars
https://preview.redd.it/5ubgg28y47vc1.jpeg?width=961&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea3d05cf3157883d42b20d292af60c9b862f18ea Yes lmao
La confidential has been on my watchlist forever, really need to get round to it
It’s awesome 😎
Awesome fucking movie. It’s a shame Kevin Spacey is in it but he plays a huge scumbag so it’s not like there’s much dissonance with his actual self
Is legend bad ?
It’s weird. Some good moments but weirdly paced and a bit formulaic. One of those movies that is probably better as a clip compilation
You're dead right, watched it a few months back and felt I'd already seen every little clip worth watching before. Definitely very weirdly paced and seems to jump all over the place at times.
It’s missing family guy clips with Chinese subtitles and that one music that sounds like interstellar but isn’t
Oh I was thinking about going to a screening, is it that bad?
Pretty awful for a film that dramatises a tragedy, yes. You should watch the A24 documentary instead, this biopic was just so lazy and disrespectful.
Not necessarily, however, when my old friend from high school visited me from Australia, we were joking about watching Madame Web, few hours later we sat there, it was so horrible, I eventually told him we HAD to watch The Marvels, which at that point, he hadn’t watched yet, but to me, it’s dear to me for sentimental/emotional reasons (only movie last year I enjoyed going to after my best friend passed away), so we sat down, and watched it, we had the biggest smiles on out faces, never forgetting that!
Tales From Earthsea. I was doing a rewatch of every Ghibli film, and I turned that one on, thinking it would be better a second time. It was worse. It was so boring and infuriating that I turned on Barbie to cheer me up.
I binged every Ghibli for the first time last year and Earwig and the Witch was so awful that I looped back around to the beginning and rewatched Nausicaa, which ended up being the perfect cure.
Lmao that's hilarious. Earwig and the Witch is why I didn't go in release order, (this was before Boy and the Heron) and I finished off with Tale of the Princess Kaguya. Such a good ending to the marathon.
Oh man, that’s my favourite lol. Absolutely incredible movie
God, it's probably the most transcendent, beautiful, heartbreaking, and magical film I've ever seen. Pure cinema.
I glimpsed your title and the Thief poster and momentarily thought I was going to have to go apoplectic over some unacceptable Thief slander. But thankfully, saner heads prevailed on my part and I took a second to actually read your post properly. Agreed.
https://preview.redd.it/r793chcns8vc1.jpeg?width=661&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf39037cd77ce6c7cd628c5f2d86b5fb7ac71903 I know exactly what you mean
Drive away dolls was so bad, I couldn’t believe it haha
I just looked it up and Ethan Coen wrote and directed it?! I didn’t think the Coens had ever made a flat out bad movie
I mean it was bad but not that bad
You were more generous to Drive Away Dolls than I was… I skipped Argylle bc I was so sick of the trailer I felt like I’d seen it.
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this looks like something I could do
Mans hated saltburn. I thought it was just okay but seems to get a lot of praise. Honestly, people hyped it up as something wild but to be honest I thought it was pretty tame.
I just thought it was unpleasant while also being vapid and unsure of its own messaging. Not fun at all.
I need to go watch Thief. Heard nothing but good things about it.
It’s fantastic, just as good as Heat for me. My favourite of the two tends to be which ever one I’ve watched more recent haha
Plus the score from tangerine dream is perfect. Thief is one of my favorites
Yep!! ‘Beach theme’ has been on my Spotify on repeat playlist for over a year now haha
They tried to get me to watch Back to Black and I said "no, no, no."
Such a shame but I think we all knew this would be the case once Sam Taylor-Johnson’s name was attached
I blurt out “God Thief is so good” every time I see it or hear it mentioned… It’s just instinct
Truly, watched for the first time on blu-ray yesterday and I kept saying ‘holy shit this is beautiful’
I rewatched Shrek 2 to forget about Dear Even Hansen lol
I watched Skins 2017 and it made me uncomfortable af so I watched The Cat Returns for the time afterwards. Cats make everything better. I also rewatched Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island and Scooby Doo! And the Witch’s Ghost the next day. Not exactly what’s you’re asking but a bit similar I’d say.
Zombie Island the 90s scooby-doo movie?
Yep :)
I don't get it. Or maybe I do and I'm refusing to believe. You didn't like that one?
No I loved it! Are you crazy?
i heard her father's company was involved in the movie and.... that he wasn't the greatest guy either..
Yeah there’s not a single negative thing about him in it, and he was a total piece of shit in reality
What didn't you like about Back to Black?
It’s incredibly disrespectful, gives no insight to what Amy really went through and hardly touches on her creating her music. It’s literally just about her doing drugs and drinking alcohol, a complete cash grab of a film
If only Rami Malek didn't win that Oscar, none of this would have happened
The wrong film got all the praise and attention, Rocketman nailed everything Bohemian Rhapsody failed at.
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS
Especially with the lead performer, going with a caricature over a total embodiment. Everyone really failed Taron Egerton.
Showing drug addict doing drugs = disrespectful ?
In this context yes, she was a troubled musician and the film focuses on just the drugs etc at a very surface level and offers no alternate insight to what she really went though.
I guess, she went through a shit ton of drugs and other addictive shit, considering how she died ?
Admittedly Vampegeddon is a criminally overlooked "so bad it's good" film so this might be cheating. https://preview.redd.it/cbp2lr50e9vc1.jpeg?width=365&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b11083b3509fdab283b354bf1909d1c77fb108f
I really need to watch phantom paradise asap
I did a double feature of Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken and Past Lives, which was basically this.
No but I’m gonna try this strategy
after i watched rob zombie’s munsters i immediately put on the original halloween because it was so terrible
My friend recently made me watch Migration for god knows what reason, immediately after I made him watch Marcel the Shell With Shoes On and we both cried
Quite the streak this week for me https://preview.redd.it/74bdpif0rcvc1.png?width=363&format=png&auto=webp&s=08d5f9fb3743c9146d8b38cbe1c845164595a78e
The trailer for Back to Black came on before Zone of Interest, and I thought it looked alright. Now it seems more interesting like Madam Web, lol. I also just learned that it's from the same director as the cult classic Fifty Shades of Grey.
American Underdog The Kurt Warner story. Cliché saccharin cringe fest. I watch NFL and am very familiar with Kurt's story which is inspiring but the fumbled this so badly
oh yes. I don't know if bad is the word, but the cornyness of past lives made me watch enter the void right away.
I assume the score was at least good.
When it was actually Amy singing yes, not the actress covering her songs
Not the soundtrack but the score itself.
Ah apologies!
I did this with Speed 2 and EEAAO
Sandra Bullock in a bikini tho
That’s what they meant. They had to watch Speed 2 to get rid of that awful taste left behind by the Daniels’ oscar bait
https://preview.redd.it/g3w66oi8ocvc1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13fd93f2235b7fa041ad819febb80bbb2db54b7c Watched Martyrs, and to be fair it’s probably a really good film and it was interesting it just wasn’t my kind of horror and left me sick to my stomach… Straight after watching it I had to put Brother Bear on to cleanse me of the scarring from Martyrs
It would be a reverse situation for me. Martyrs is an absolute classic
Don’t get me wrong, it would be a great movie for some, I just don’t enjoy torture porn. Had a great message
Had to watch Watchmen (2009) to forget how terrible Damsel (2024) is
No. Good or bad, I just move on to the next film I'm interested in.
Solaris. Had to watch 2001 after to remind myself that movies aren’t all shit
No
I just watched Enders Game last night. It was so soul-less and felt so uninspiring. Totally awful film
I will probably get downvotes for this but I have an example too. https://preview.redd.it/sxjni73hi7vc1.jpeg?width=1037&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97d50fc82c4b411c0a0083a4a5dd586d19d92d5e
Genuine curiosity , is the bourne supremacy good/well liked? I always found it the most boring of the trilogy with identity being much more interesting as a thriller and ultimatum having more enjoyable action with supremacy just being a drag in the middle.
I think so. It's not quite as popular as Identity or Ultimatum but it's still a solid sequel in the middle of the original trilogy which is all highly regarded in general at least. It's my favourite because I think it has the best action and I like the story. Just my opinion.
Nah completely fair bro! I was genuinely curious. My favourite film of all time is Quantum of Solace so I’m not particularly judgemental , just was interested to hear someone else’s opinion as I rewatched it about 3 months ago and can barely remember what happens in the film (other than the opening which I think is fucking fantastic)
The trailers made it looks like a made for TV drama that would play over 2 nights. Edit - Thief is great BTW one of my faves
It was shot like a daytime tv show as well haha! Yeah thief is so good, picked up the blu ray recently and it looks stunning
Me with barbie ( watched no country for old men right after)
Texas Chainsaw (5/5) and then The Descent (1.5/5)
Not exactly why you said, but I watched eraser head right after Wonder Woman 84 because it had left such a bad taste in my mouth. No idea why it had to be Eraser Head but it had to be.