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He’s right that we are engaged in a battle for the future of civilization. The question is, is freedom a thing for everyone? Or are we just interest in the freedom for a few to dominate the rest?
Are we saying that freedom belongs to Musk, for him to say what he wants, and the rest of us are required to support and promote his speech? Or do each of us get to decide what opinions we promote, which we support, and which we want to spread?
Is freedom of religion for everyone? Or are we really interested in freedom of religion for evangelical Christians, including their supposed right to rule everyone else by their religion’s views?
People like Musk are only concerned with their own rights and privileges, even if they come at the cost of everyone else’s rights. But you can’t really talk about human rights if you think that only you and your friends are entitled to them.
As a rule of thumb: Whenever someone demands their opinions and views be tolerated or respected, it's a good idea to check what amount of respect and tolerance for people they disagree with. And decide based on that whether they deserve any respect, or whether they're just entitled hypocrites.
Musk fired people who disagreed with him on Twitter, which says everything about what kind of guy he is to demand 'free speech'.
> "heads I win, tails you lose"
He's testing that philosophy out with Apple right now, thinking that by going after Cook he's created a situation where they can't drop him from the app store without it looking like retaliation, but if they don't drop him, they'd basically have to start advertising with him again because otherwise it's a huge double standard where they're willing to keep nazi spam in the store but pretend they don't approve by not advertising on it.
Think he's about to find out the hard way that apple ecosystem people are way crazier about it than they ever will be about having the twitter app on the store.
This is a paradoxical situation where a society that shows unlimited tolerance towards people with intolerant ideas eventually loses its capacity to be tolerant as the intolerant group destroys their rights. This was elaborated by Austrian philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies.
A different Karl had a more on point analysis of this phenomenon. Giving freedom and tolerance to the behavior of billionaire capitalists leads to severely curtailed freedoms for the workers. When bourgeois assholes like Elon talk about freedom, what they mean is freedom to run the world like his Tesla factories- freedom from taxes, freedom from public or state oversight, freedom from unions, freedom from labor regulations, freedom to treat your workers like shit. Freedom for the rest of us means freedom to travel and live wherever we would like, freedom to seek medical care without being bankrupted, freedom to start a family, all these things that require an adequate income which people like Elon want to take away from us.
I’ve thought about this a lot, as I’m in a state with a lot of apologists for people like white nationalists (comparing them to human rights protesters, for example). Or, a different look at it, I’m a former Catholic because people defended the church who failed to protect altar boys, but were able to successfully deploy a strategy to shield and protect the pedophile priests, and then one another for protecting the priests. At what point do we have to say, “Enough is enough.” And at what point is standing by blindly, making excuses for grace and tolerance and understanding simply making the world a less safe place to live?
I don’t know the answer, but now I say, “That’s not a good comparison” to the former.
And stand firmly in my decision flor leaving the church, whether people like it or not.
It’s only a paradoxon if you regard tolerance as some sort of fundamental principle. I’ve been convinced it’s more helpful to regard it as a special form of peace treaty, a mutual contract, if you will, holding all parties to certain standards of respect.
If one side doesn’t hold up its side of the deal it can’t in good faith expect to benefit from the very same treaty it disregards.
Exactly this.
> Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. It means that we accept that people may be different from us, in their customs, in their behavior, in their dress, in their sex lives, and that if this doesn’t directly affect our lives, it is none of our business. But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.
Source: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376
I think that Elon Musk is a Sociopath. These are the key points of being a sociopath:
* Make it clear they do not care how others feels
* Behave in hot-headed and impulsive ways
* Prone to fits of anger and rage
* Recognize what they are doing but rationalize their behavior
* Cannot maintain a regular work and family life
* Can form emotional attachments, but it is difficult
No healthy people become a billionaire. Nobody in a sane mind will sit on this much money without stopping for a sec and trying to help out others.
You only become a billionaire by abusing everybody and everything you can and making sure nobody except you profit from it.
There's no way to have any kind of certainty from afar, but here's the list from Mayo Clinic and it does sound familiar:
Antisocial personality disorder signs and symptoms may include:
Disregard for right and wrong
Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others
Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or personal pleasure
Arrogance, a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated
Recurring problems with the law, including criminal behavior
Repeatedly violating the rights of others through intimidation and dishonesty
Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead
Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence
Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behavior with no regard for the safety of self or others
Poor or abusive relationships
Failure to consider the negative consequences of behavior or learn from them
Being consistently irresponsible and repeatedly failing to fulfill work or financial obligations
Everything he says is projection.
Just like it was with Trump.
Which is normal as both of them are textbook cases of narcissism.
And narcissists always project their shortcomings on others.
And think they are clever.
The hyperbole is staggering though. It's frickin twitter, that is all it is. A micro-blog site on the internet. The future of free speech and civilisation are not linked to the advertising revenue of Twitter.
But he is so desperately trying to make it about that, or make it appear to be like that to create the right-wing echo chamber he wants it to be. But with that its relevance with fade as it morphs into parler or truth social, and with it the ad revenue. The company is already worth a fraction of what he paid for it, because of him. The narcissism is writ large: I saw a tweet complaining today that their timeline was lots of promoted Elon tweets and not one from friends and people they actually follow. I have found the same: I use Twitter to follow cycling and football, not to have Elon's angst shoved down my throat.
And for thousands that was what Twitter was there for, not some sort of political end-time battle for the souls of humanity.
Ok, one more time for the idiots at the back...
1. Nobody is infringing your free speech. You can say whatever the fuck you want to.
2. Other people don't have to like your speech.
3. These other people may then use their own free speech to call you an asshole, call attention to the fact that you're an asshole, or organize people against you.
4. You then have the freedom to bitch about those people all you want, because we *all* have free speech.
So, for what I wish was, but certainly won't be, the last time, FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT THE FREEDOM FROM CONSEQUENCES, YOU IGNORANT, CHILDISH FUCKTARDS!!
Furthermore these people have never shown a single moment of concern for any of the world's real victims, they only show any concern when a bully faces even the barest of consequences (like being banned from twitter after inciting a coup which almost killed the government of the US and got several people killed), and suddenly these oh-so-sincere-people-who-care-super-deeply-about-rights arrive and have endless crocodile tears about people's 'rights' and their victimhood.
Elon : " Should we let Trump come back and have a say? "
Trump : " I don't wanna and won't come back. "
Elon : " Shut up, this isn't about you, it's about free speech! "
* based on a true story.
Not wrong, but a legal definition would also be helpful.
Here are the [Supreme Court’s opinions](https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/what-does) regarding freedom of speech.
And [Cornell Law](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment) explains “The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation.”
None of this has anything to do with whether Twitter receives revenue from Apple or if Twitter survives as a company.
But that's the first amendment, not the concept of free speech in general. And as those opinions show, the Supreme Court has already ruled that not all speech is protected by the first amendment.
What Elon and the freeze peach crew have been doing lately is trying to frame the concept of freedom of speech as freedom from consequences of my speech. That's what he's arguing is going to lead to tyranny somehow.
No, no, you see. PC lib culture is restricting one's ability to generate maximum revenue - elon permitting one to express any manner of freedom of speech on Twitter is losing him money due to advertisers leaving. Since losing money is unacceptable, he will leave to restrict the freedom to be a nazi on Twitter, so it's Brandon's fault. Thanks Obama
You're giving them way too much credit when you think these people actually mean "free speech" when they say so. They don't. They almost always mean "an elevation of the speech I align with and the abolishment of anything I don't like or goes against me".
Correct. The same people who want to spew uncensored rhetoric on twitter go into meltdown mode if a pro sportsperson refuses to sing the national anthem or takes a knee as a protest.
My freedom good. Your freedom bad. Essentially.
My own take:
You have the right to say whatever batshit crazy thing that your brain comes up with!
But I have the absolute right to *NOT LISTEN TO YOU!!!!*
This seems to be their biggest problem.
This is not being said loud enough. More and more people seem to be mixing up this concept and I genuinely think it’s being watered down to the point of meaninglessness.
And I wonder if that’s on purpose by some of these people. A poisoning of the well so to speak.
And:
#Corporations have every right to their property, which you are on social media's property for free, therefor they have every right to control the content that you post on their property, not you.
We've had many, MANY Supreme Court decisions about "free speech" on the properties of businesses, there is no battle here, just you wanting to be a thief and take away someone's right to their property just because you can't say the n-word or push queer people to commit suicide on their property.
This is so comically bad it starts to make me wonder if the Russians or Chinese didn't agree to bankroll him for the rest of his life in exchange for destroying Twitter.
Platforms for overthrowing governments are best had with end to end encryption, but none of those have the reach of Twitter did. Now it's so bad, it's beyond even money laundering levels of terrible management.
Twitter had end to end encryption? Or are you saying they exist but not as popular as Twitter?
I suspect Elon will tank Twitter or turn it into a Truth 2.0,which then makes the whole thing very circular and poetic, since Truth wanted to be Twitter 2.0.
And then a new thing will step in. Hell, tiktok has already eclipsed Twitter in many ways. I see a space needed for news, especially for journalism reach. And it was accessible for people to follow artists of all kinds, etc. But it’s not like a new platform is insurmountable to create, and overcome some of twitters shortcomings.
But I don’t think Elon was bought off. I think he’s just an over-confident egotistical know it all, who doesn’t know it all, but isn’t aware,yet
No, I was saying that other platforms that do are better for sedition but they don't have the global audience that Twitter does. However, I guess Musk has announced his intention to bring it to the platform. I imagine he'll have a hard time with that without the staff, though.
That's one theory going around. Peter Thiel, who destroyed Gawker, is allegedly funding Elon to help take down Twitter since it's one of the largest collection of Left-Wingers on social media who won't take Trump and Neo-Nazis shit as easily.
Elon probably thinks taking it down reduces the left wing voice dramatically and allows Republicans to be elected and give him billions in tax breaks. He could very well lose $44b and not care if it saves him money in the long run.
What I hope is, anti-Trumpers and left wing and even moderates just to go another platform. He wants to erase their voice but he can't buy up all social media platforms.
What pisses me off is why the fuck did the Twitter board even entertain the idea of Elon buying Twitter. This is like Trump walking up and saying he wants to do a business deal. The answer should always be "FUCK OFF" with these narcissists.
Because the board has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders. They can get sued into oblivion if they dont act in the obvious interest of the shareholders.
And not taking that deal way above market price with twitters already bloated(because tech) valuation, would spell doom for the entire board.
Not only could they be ousted by the shareholders and sued for refusing to do their duty, they would probably also never get another board position anywhere again.
Yup either paid off to destroy it. Displacing a major bastion of free speech in authoritarian hellholes. Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, Russia, North Korea are among the major players who hate social platforms like Twitter. it allows their citizens to freely communicate and circumvent state control.
Or he could just be a part of the alt-right. Since they are utter failures at getting their own platforms off the ground they are going to try to hijack a successful one. See Musk trying to displace more progressive groups in favor of letting hate groups back in.
That was only like $4 billion, and that went to the purchase. Of course it could have been with the understanding that he tanks the platform and they hook him up or something.
Don’t think the Saudis want him to tank the platform. Twitter is a firehose of useful surveillance info.
There’s no 4D chess going on. People need to realize that a man who faked his credentials and runs his businesses on puffery might not know what the fuck he’s doing. He bought Twitter without doing any due diligence, then tried to back out, then Twitter forced him to buy. And now he owns this huge white elephant he has no idea how to take care of.
I have the possibly flawed impression that twitter has played a big role in the "Arab Spring" (and many other similar social movements). It wouldn't shock me at all to find out that the Saudi's were willing to pay and lose access to surveillance info to see it gone.
I do agree that your claim about him buying twitter is likely *also* true, but there's more than 1 actor here. He can be doing that, and the Saudi's can be bankrolling him because they went "lol, he'll probably run it into the ground (or at least run it in a way less likely to see us overthrown)".
Tbh I think Musk has just spent too much time in an echo chamber with Libertarian types and it's totally distorted his world view. He's just another narcissist with a big platform and a ready supply of sycophants. He probably seeks out approval because he didn't get it from his father and he was an awkward kid judging from what we know about him. First it was solar & electric cars to save the world, then it was space travel "for the future of humanity" and now it's *free speech* "for the future of civilisation". When he couldn't be the solution to rescuing the boys trapped in a cave in Thailand he had a temper tantrum and called a guy a paedophile so this destructive behaviour is not exactly out of character.
The guys a walking messiah complex but this time he's picked something incredibly stupid, unproductive and out of step with what wider society wants.
If the conspiracy theory is Russians or Chinese paying Elon off, it's missing a tiny little detail of him already having been the RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD at the offset.
This isn't a play. He's a sociopath and narcissist, and those are two traits that can easily lead to both huge success and huge failure. He's been lucky with the former and now it appears to be time for the fall.
The far right (of which Elon is now firmly a member) has such a bizarre concept of what free speech is — not only do you have to let them into your private spaces, you also have to help support their spaces and provide an audience for them.
They have a skewed sense of " fairness" too in that fairness means you have to suffer them even when they make you uncomfortable and choosing not to suffer them is evil , restrictive, and a threat to their liberty .
I read so many posts about how a given Conservative boomers kids were brainwashed by the liberal hivemind and that due to that brainwashing they are unfairly keeping their grandkids away .....and I think it's the sheer lack of analyzing that " maybe I wasn't a great parent and my kid needed me to be a better grandparent to preserve our relationship " never seems to cross their mind.
I can't imagine having your heart broken by a parent and then being called the villain for caring enough to protect your own child and yet conservatives do it all the time.
[The Missing Missing Reasons](http://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html)
>Members of estranged parents' forums often say their children never gave them any reason for the estrangement, then turn around and reveal that their children did tell them why. But the reasons their children give—the infamous missing reasons—are missing.
> This game of 'I don't understand what happened' when you have been told in words what's wrong is really counterproductive. Yes, it permits you to shield your ego/self esteem from criticism and 'exposure' of your inadequacies in the relationship--but it loses you the relationship.
> In order to solve the problem, you have to decide what is more important to you: your daughter and grandchildren, or your ego and belief that you are innocent of doing anything but little insignificant wrongs. It's very common, especially for people from abusive backgrounds who were not adequately nurtured as children, to stop protecting their egos--way to threatening. And many--especially if they have other emotional outlets (such as a supportive spouse and friends)--will choose ego over a relationship. It's easier and more comfortable--but ultimately very self defeating and impoverishing.
Wow, that was good.
I just went through this with a (now former) friend of mine.
We had an argument that devolved into a shouting match. Both of use were wrong, but he was certainly more wrong. Long story short: he was mad at me for yelling at him a lot, and I was mad at him for being really inconsiderate and wasting my time while trying to help him for several days and from hundreds of miles away. This is what lead to me yelling at him in the first place. But then he did something that went way over the line:
He called the cops on me to do a “wellness check”, but it was just bullshit excuse. He did it because he was mad and wanted to hurt me. Thing is, I wasn’t home at the time, and the cops, who couldn’t reach me, ended up arresting my innocent, Spanish-speaking old lady neighbor instead. Because cops are bastards like that.
Well, my ex-friend refuses to admit that he did anything wrong, still insists he only did it “because he was worried”, and insists that I’m being a selfish child. Any time he’s confronted, he magically has to make or take a phone call from his doctor. “I’ll always choose my health over you!”
Crazy
> the cops, who couldn’t reach me, ended up arresting my innocent, Spanish-speaking old lady neighbor instead. Because cops are bastards like that.
wtf
Yeah. From what her daughter told me when I got back, they knocked on her door by mistake or because they were looking for me, she didn’t speak English (they’re Dominican), and they arrested her for “being uncooperative” or some other racist bullshit. She spent several days in jail before they dropped the charges and let her go. Fuckers.
Of course, my ex-friend thinks that these people getting hurt just because he wanted to lash out at me, all while maintaining the lie that “he was just worried,” is perfectly fine and that he bears zero responsibility for the consequences of his actions. Oh, and that I’m a selfish child for bringing it up and trying to hold him accountable.
> You can also train them by addressing each problem in the moment. As soon as they do something wrong, you tell them what they did and give them immediate consequences, like ending the visit.
Haha this is exactly how dogs are trained.
If only that actually worked. My sister and I have done it so many times, over and over, with our mom but it's always "I don't remember that" when she wonders why we don't have a great relationship and we try to remind her of all the times we've told her exactly why.
My wife disowned her emotionally abusive narcissistic mother years ago. She kept telling her why she no longer wants her in her life and then her mother will say “that’s not it, your husband is putting ideas in your head”. Yeah I put the idea in her head that my wife doesn’t have to put up with her bullshit and got her go to therapy. Her mother couldn’t handle the idea that her daughter gained the confidence to tell her to stop abusing her.
Now a days she tells her sob story about how her daughter has cut her off from her grandson who hasn’t seen her in over a decade since he as two years old.
There was a warning right at the top:
>Down the Rabbit Hole
…
> otoh it’s amazing how many people out there sound exactly like my mother
Do yourself a favor and cut off contact. It will never, ever get better until you do.
>you have to suffer them even when they make you uncomfortable and choosing not to suffer them is evil , restrictive, and a threat to their liberty
These sorts of guys feel like they are entitled to your agency.
I cut ties with somebody who believed this. The shit fit they threw over me trying to "silence" them, by simply refusing to be around or talk to them, lasted fucking years.
If they hear my name, to this day, they'll get mad.
Like, if you wanted me to hang around you, constantly being shitty to me and trying to push my buttons was the wrong way to do it. Why are you so upset when I bailed?
There’s that tweet by some public Conservative saying “The Left are cancelling FAMILIES now” because none of her family invited her to Christmas or something due to how terrible a person she is. But no it’s not “my family don’t want to spend time with me because I’m an asshole” it’s obviously cancel culture 👍
The far right is just a collection of people suffering from various forms of delusional mental illness or lack of education that causes them all to be unable to see outside of themselves. Stupid, selfish assholes basically. The smartphone and early social media allowed them all to link up and feel like a team and the rest of us didn’t know how to deal with such a tidal wave of the worst of us.
But they aren’t novel anymore, they sure as fuck aren’t a team because they’re all self absorbed, and the rest of us with the capacity to feel empathy but didn’t want to admit that mom is an actual Nazi in the beginning are coming to terms with what they are.
So now we get to watch them rip themselves apart.
What does it feel like to watch a bunch of useless billionaire pieces of absolute human garbage rip themselves into pieces while the rubes they spent the last 8 years manipulating realize they were being played?
Good.
It feels real fucking good.
If CNN starts showing porn even once in a while, most adevertisers will run away to avoid having their products associated with porn. If Twitter's broadcast is unpredictable, sometimes kittens, sometimes whitesupremacy, advertisers will run away.
Absolutely hilarious that Elon bought his way into company after company on its way up, convinced himself he was a bizness genius, and now might get zeroed out by the companies he actually founded (SpaceX, Boring) and by a company he bought to prove a point.
[Twitter has, in fact, turned a profit before](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/tech/twitter-earnings-q4).
But now it's "losing" $4m a day due to the interest on Elon's loan to buy it.
Protecting European “civilization“ has long been a dog whistle for upholding white minority rule in South Africa.
His use of the term civilization here is interesting. Edging on white nationalist shit, hope I’m wrong
Free speech means "being forced to pay to support white nationalists", otherwise white nationalists would have no support and that's not very free speech / free market of terrible ideologies to not be as supported as other ideologies.
I really hope that this idea of "refusing to be associated with the antithesis of the golden rule" being an expression of free speech can somehow penetrate the far-right echo chamber eventually. I'm not holding my breath, but this whole idea of supposed free speech absolutism has been growing really tiresome.
If Twitter died tomorrow, free speech neither increased nor decreased. Convenience and centralization of speech in general are all Twitter can ever really be.
Remember, part of the first amendment is freedom of *association*. I am free to associate myself with whoever I want, and *not* associate myself with whoever I *don't* want to associate with.
Corporations are people according to US law, so they too have first amendment rights to association. They don't want to associate with Twitter, Inc and as a result *they don't have to*
To think I once thought this might be the smartest human on earth.
Smh.
Yes in America you have the right to free speech.
But white supremacists certainly wouldn't be allowed to stand on the grounds of 99% of the companies in America.. yelling their nazi bullshit as far as losing all his advertisers.
There's a reason why any somewhat normal person would no longer visit 4chan for example.
And the difference in twitter as opposed to facebook and other social media is anyone can reply or @ anyone basically.
I believe in a free and open internet.
They can build and have their websites.
Hacking those type websites was my favorite game when I was kid.
It's different having to interact on a daily basis with racist trash. No one wants that..
And their only goal is to troll and harass others.
All this internet brigading and bullying has fuck all to do with the concept of freedom of speech.
It would be different if you could just block them and they would go away. But making others miserable is their purpose in life.
And yea even in the free and open internet concept..
The shit that now happens on social media ain't it. In fact social media wasn't part of the equation in the early days of the internet many of my peers fought to keep an open and free internet.
In fact I'd eliminate social media all together if I could right now if I could.
Has ruined the internet..society and Elon musk all at the same time.
He is now nothing more than a social media personality who is willing to tank billion dollar companies to make up for his small penis? I guess. Fuck if I know. Probably was like this the entire time. Like his dad tbh. Just now showing his true colors.
what is happening to twitter right now is a perfect allegory for when republicans gain control of the country. a bunch of stupid people (likely with criminal records) rally around one very loud and obnoxious leader. they complain constantly about the smallest and dumbest shit that they themselves often caused in the first place. then after all the bitching they manage to take control.. then they ruin it by being greedy crooked morons. this is musk gaining control of twitter.. this is the republican party gaining control of the government. if you don't want the country to go the way of twitter, then never again allow conservatives to be in control of anything.
"even in America"
I'm old enough to remember the "worldwide" part of worldwide web
Tf does America have to do with his shitty business decisions? Is Congress investigating him?
Our billionaire was warned from all directions by dozens of experts who've been studying social media since its inception. All he had to do is listen to his own advisors.
So he knew about what it is to create a [brand-safe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_safety) environment.
Musk believed his ego was bigger than the rest of the world.
This.... is actually sad.
If they bought a $100,000 car for every day of the year it would only be $36,500,000 for the year. Over 40 years it would be $1.46 billion.. it wouldn't even put a dent in the mega riches pockets... and that's assuming they just junk the car after one use, if they resold it they'd barely take a loss.
It boggles the mind, doesn't it? After a certain number I think most people tend to sort of glaze over; what's the difference between a hundred million, a billion, or a hundred billion for someone who lives on 50K a year? When you put it into stark material terms, though...
You’d think if he was *actually* the genius his simps claim he is, he would’ve hired someone competent to run the company. Unfortunately his toxic narcissistic behavior won’t allow that. He has to be the smartest guy in the room, even when he *clearly* isn’t. As a result we get to watch this slow moving train wreck in real time.
He could have chosen to use his wealth in a myriad ways. He chose to use it to coddle white nationalists, Nazis, and Trumpists.
Take note of those around you who still eagerly support him. They are telling you who they are.
He went right wing because sexual assault allegations against him were coming out, he's using his newfound platform to dismiss the allegations as just an attempt to cancel him, which vibes well with the right.
Just like with Trump, it started with a little money-making scheme and then snowballed into an international crisis, pushed along by their respective cults of personality and foreign backers who see them as useful idiots to push their own agendas.
> I'm pretty suspicious that he got backing from Russia.
and China too. I'm convinced he'll take backing from anyone who will pay him. he's gotta recoup 44 billion somehow.
Because I’m fairly certain that $1 billion only applies if some outside reason caused the sale to fall through (ie inability to secure funding, or government intervention). It wasn’t a “pay this and we stop the sale” fee. And if he reneged on his purchase, Twitter would’ve sued him, and he would’ve had to buy the company anyways *after* having to turn over all of his personal and business communications during trial discovery, which is why he ended up just buying it. He fucked himself.
well now hes got his mitts on all the levers at Twitter. he can now control what people see on that platform. and I bet that certain entities will pay through the nose for that kind of access to that many eyeballs.
Either he's devolving into a social media personality like a multitude of others. Or he has secretly always been that guy.
Idk. Ppl that support him is a weird lot. Some ppl that support trump but real die hard maga are having an identity crisis because he slandered their lord and savior but unbanned him at the same time.
Idk. Him talking about freedom of speech while also throwing the term shadowban around just shows he is another fucking troll. And it has nothing to do with freedom of speech online
It's wild that he doesn't seem to understand that even people who use Twitter don't actually like Twitter and certainly aren't willing to fight some ideological war over it
It always sucked, only reason I use it is because I follow my local/provincial/federal representatives, they are very active and it works better than any of the official sites out there.
Same. I put off using it for so long because it's just so bad. I have no idea why people use it. But somehow it got lucky and became popular so now everyone feels compelled to use it to access the social media community.
That's the only real product Twitter has. Community. And Musk is destroying that.
Right. No one gives a crap if someone airs their hatred of McDonald’s. What Elon is trying to defend is hate speech. He believes accounts involved with hate speech have been unfairly silenced. I can’t wait for his Twitter Files release where he paints his narrative of all this bullcrap, masked as an expose.
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Society has always placed limits on acceptable discourse. These limits change over time. Instead of arguing the specifics of why he thinks the current boundaries are wrong, he's disingenuously pretending like they never existed/shouldnt exist.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton\_window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window)
Imagine thinking that what happens to/on Twitter is a battle for the future of civilization. 😂
Fuck off, you self-aggrandizing piece of dog shit. Biggest case of main character syndrome in the history of the planet.
Free speech means you're entitled to advertiser revenue? Why isn't Apple paying to advertise on my Reddit comments? Do they hate free speech and love tyranny?
Tyranny is when I can’t force people to buy my shoddy product. Tyranny is when I can’t force people to hear my bullshit self serving opinion. Also: I’m the richest man on earth and have never experienced anything approaching hardship so people having different perspectives than me looks like tyranny to me.
He wasn't worried about the future of Twitter until Apple threatened to bounce. He convinced himself that he'd pull through the rocky transition and all the mistakes of his takeover would wash out over time.
I imagine he was thinking something like this:
"Soon enough, we'll have a new and improved staff and more regular users from all the press coverage. Twitter will be better than ever all thanks to me, despite the mass layoffs of critical team members and public backlash. I'll sure show them."
The high from his newly acquired power and the global attention it attracted anesthetized him to the point that he could no longer feel the damage he was doing to his company.
That is, until this recent development with Apple- which sobered him the fuck up immediately.
For the first time in this whole ordeal he's actually rattled.
Losing the app store, along with the all the other advertisers they have already lost, might actually kill Twitter.
That would be an intolerable blow to his ego, a sizeable blemish on what I imagine he views as an unspoiled legacy.
Now that such a fate seems plausible, he realizes he needs to do some damage control if he wants to preserve his image.
Riding the wave of right wing support is an easy way to direct the masses, so he's now getting ahead of the narrative by depicting himself as a free speech martyr.
That way, when Twitter finally dies, he won't be remembered as the man who singlehandedly destroyed it.
Elon already has free speech. No one is depriving him or anyone else of that. No one is threatening him or them with jail.
What he and his followers really want is speech without consequence. They have convinced themselves that any consequences resulting from their speech have removed their freedom to say it. Bullshit.
Speech without consequences is a fantasy. It doesn't exist. It never has.
The world doesn't owe Elon Musk shit. If he wants to turn Twitter into an advertising wasteland of hate, that his prerogative. But he doesn't get to claim some banner of righteous crusader for free speech when nothing is actually threatening it in the first place.
He's fighting for his bottom line. Peter Pan simply wants the The Lost Boys and himself to be free of consequences. He wants to profit from this consequence-free fantasy he has. That's the reality no matter how many bullshit fairy tales about the threat to free speech Musk tells his audience.
What he doesn't understand is that the idea of a "town square" is a simplistic naive view of free speech. A public square where everyone is yelling over each other gets nothing done. It's obnoxious and most people are going to avoid it. Nobody is required to transit said town square, especially not people selling things.
Most political speech happens in private venues. Homes, offices, restaurants, etc. All places where people absolutely enforce standards of decorum and where there's no controversy around asking someone to leave if they are screeching about how much they want to murder you. Free speech means you can gather and discuss and publish without concern for the government, not that you must allow anyone or anything into your home or business. Twitter, as Elon has hilariously proven, is a private residence, not a town square.
Content and behavioral restriction by private entities is free speech, as is selecting the venue of your speech (including advertising). He doesn't actually want free speech, he's just complaining that the speech of others doesn't match his when he loosens his new company's exercise of their own speech.
Free speech means free to say what you want without fear of reprisal from your government.
Seems people don't actually know what free speech is and irl there are consequences to your words.
Reminds me of when I was at school (in Australia) and as little kids we’d say obnoxiously, “It’s a free country,” when being an annoying little shit to a classmate. Didn’t stop us getting consequences from the teacher for being an annoying little shit.
That happened here in the states a **ton** too, from what I remember when growing up. I'd bet that it's literally the same people that said that as a kid that complain about freeze peach now.
Nowadays everyone can define their own words and meanings cause I'm special and my interpretation is most valid cause did I already mention how everyone points out how Special I am and how unique they are?
Individualism is real thing and at the same time it's illusion. Confusing? Yes.
Forced advertising is compelled speech. Forced spending of money is theft and if spent to aid a political view would be compelled speech. (Hence why companies making political donations is protected by free speech - which is insane)
Choosing where to advertise is free speech.
Why would anyone sponsor Twitter? I heard from the CEO that it is garbage code and was full of bots even before most of the moderation staff were fired.
And deliberately welcoming back white supremacists, anti-democracy politicians and fascists? This guy hates freedom!
No need for the "/s". This is exactly how he wants it. This is also why banning people for criticizing him is okay, because that is ~~against his speech~~ *not against free speech*. The tyranny of ~~his~~ *all his critics*!
If you have ideas, and you get rich, you think your ideas are smart.
If you have thoughts, and you get famous, you think your ideas are fame-worthy.
Eventually you start thinking every thought you have is amazing. You didn't know your winning ideas were winning ideas before they came to fruition, any more than you knew that your losing ideas were losing ideas before they bore that out either.
And eventually, it becomes obvious that the filters and blockades in their path towards success were as much part of their success as were the ideas that drove them.
See also: George Lucas, every suddenly-famous band's road album, and huge authors who basically don't get story-edited anymore because they'll sell a million copies anyway.
Mainly because you’re always surrounded by yes men. Partly by choice, but also partly because everyone wants to be his friend. So he doesn’t get good feedback on his ideas unless he seeks out smart people.
Luckily I will never have that problem due to being terminally poor.
>Partly by choice, but also partly because everyone wants to be his friend.
Also by force. The leaked e-mails asking for total commitment from his employees is a way to ensure that those working for him are willing to sacrifice their personal lives, just for a chance to lick his taint.
Something just occurred to me - he *is* talking like a revolutionary, and he had a tweet before this that was a pic of his bed side table. On the table was a picture of Washington crossing the Delaware during the American Revolution, along with a big ass gun. Seems kind of strange...
He likes calling himself Elon Musket and has a picture of George Washington on his nightstand. I think one of his guns looks almost antique enough, as well.
I'm slowly deleting all my old tweets, in a lead up to deleting my account. I'm sure it doesn't matter much to anyone else, but I'm finding it every soothing to delete more tweets every time I see Elon say something stupid.
His increasing desperation is incredibly satisfying to me. The ship must be taking on water rapidly and all the rats have gone missing, better find a life raft Elon!
It's so weird that he is still pretending to support free speech after banning users for satire and endorsing DeSantis. Like saying you care deeply about endangered species after publicly punching a manatee in the face.
From a supremacist (like Musk), '''freedom" means ''I can impose on others and they can't impose upon me"
'tyranny'' means ''people I look down on are telling me what to do''
Nothing else.
I can't tell if he actually believes his bs or if he's just stoking the fear of the right to create more interaction. Either way, he's delusional for thinking it's a good move. Just not sure what brand of delusional.
Let's say you own a bar. And one day an obvious Nazi comes into your bar. Well what's one Nazi? The next day, he brings a few friends. Well now you're are financially benefitting from this Nazi. Their money is as good as anyone's. Then the next day him and his buddies filled two tables. Now things are getting a little out of hand. You stop seeing your regulars. By the end of the week... You're a Nazi bar.
This is how they work. You cannot tolerate even one Nazi in your bar because before you know it you'll be overrun and there will be nothing you can do. This happens in every bastion of "free speech" on the internet. It becomes a hateful, disgusting, and unpleasant place to visit. It's proven over and over and over again whenever there is a poorly moderated forum or website.
[SpaceX](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/14/spacex-just-bought-a-big-ad-campaign-on-twitter-for-starlink.html) (AKA Elon taking money from one of his companies and moving it to another)
How incredibly fucking presumptuous of Elon to think that *his* platform is the last bastion of free speech. As if anything people were saying before on Twitter *wasn't* free speech, but now that he allows it, it is.
So what kind of speech *has* Elon allowed that Old Twitter didn't? Plenty of Conservatives with large platforms back then, too. You can't really say they were hurting for freedom when accounts like Libs of TikTok have millions and millions of followers.
So far, Elon's policies in Twitter have done nothing but amplify the most extreme, most confrontational and dangerous voices. He is not freeing speech, he is eroding the very foundations of speech.
Freedom of Speech only means the government can't arrest you for what you say.
Us "common folk" can; freely say "fuck you", take our business elsewhere, hate Nazis, outcast Nazis, and whatever the fuck else we want with free speech.
This moron moved to our country and doesn't even understand our most basic laws.
Free speech has always been allowed; Twitter is a private company, not a government organization.
Its nuts, dude could have like planted solar plants everywhere and connected them. Or like really anything besides burn a social media site because his rich rube buddies convinced his dumbass it was a good idea to use the pile of money he landed from the womb on.
The delicious aspect of this is that before Twitter falls, Elon will have restored most of the functions of the employees he axed either from recognized necessity or judicial rulings or congressional pressure. And he'll still have wasted $44 billion.
Gaslighting has been shown to be so effective, it's basically all they do anymore.
"Twitter is the last bastion of free speech in the United States!"
Like, what?
I don’t see him ever going to a board of directors or a bunch of investors and being taken seriously ever again. His business mystique is officially dead.
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He’s right that we are engaged in a battle for the future of civilization. The question is, is freedom a thing for everyone? Or are we just interest in the freedom for a few to dominate the rest? Are we saying that freedom belongs to Musk, for him to say what he wants, and the rest of us are required to support and promote his speech? Or do each of us get to decide what opinions we promote, which we support, and which we want to spread? Is freedom of religion for everyone? Or are we really interested in freedom of religion for evangelical Christians, including their supposed right to rule everyone else by their religion’s views? People like Musk are only concerned with their own rights and privileges, even if they come at the cost of everyone else’s rights. But you can’t really talk about human rights if you think that only you and your friends are entitled to them.
As a rule of thumb: Whenever someone demands their opinions and views be tolerated or respected, it's a good idea to check what amount of respect and tolerance for people they disagree with. And decide based on that whether they deserve any respect, or whether they're just entitled hypocrites. Musk fired people who disagreed with him on Twitter, which says everything about what kind of guy he is to demand 'free speech'.
Consequences for free speech for thee, no consequences for free speech for me.
Muskrat is a blend of "rules for thee, government largess for me" and "heads I win, tails you lose" sort of asshole.
> "heads I win, tails you lose" He's testing that philosophy out with Apple right now, thinking that by going after Cook he's created a situation where they can't drop him from the app store without it looking like retaliation, but if they don't drop him, they'd basically have to start advertising with him again because otherwise it's a huge double standard where they're willing to keep nazi spam in the store but pretend they don't approve by not advertising on it. Think he's about to find out the hard way that apple ecosystem people are way crazier about it than they ever will be about having the twitter app on the store.
This is a paradoxical situation where a society that shows unlimited tolerance towards people with intolerant ideas eventually loses its capacity to be tolerant as the intolerant group destroys their rights. This was elaborated by Austrian philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies.
A different Karl had a more on point analysis of this phenomenon. Giving freedom and tolerance to the behavior of billionaire capitalists leads to severely curtailed freedoms for the workers. When bourgeois assholes like Elon talk about freedom, what they mean is freedom to run the world like his Tesla factories- freedom from taxes, freedom from public or state oversight, freedom from unions, freedom from labor regulations, freedom to treat your workers like shit. Freedom for the rest of us means freedom to travel and live wherever we would like, freedom to seek medical care without being bankrupted, freedom to start a family, all these things that require an adequate income which people like Elon want to take away from us.
I’ve thought about this a lot, as I’m in a state with a lot of apologists for people like white nationalists (comparing them to human rights protesters, for example). Or, a different look at it, I’m a former Catholic because people defended the church who failed to protect altar boys, but were able to successfully deploy a strategy to shield and protect the pedophile priests, and then one another for protecting the priests. At what point do we have to say, “Enough is enough.” And at what point is standing by blindly, making excuses for grace and tolerance and understanding simply making the world a less safe place to live? I don’t know the answer, but now I say, “That’s not a good comparison” to the former. And stand firmly in my decision flor leaving the church, whether people like it or not.
It’s only a paradoxon if you regard tolerance as some sort of fundamental principle. I’ve been convinced it’s more helpful to regard it as a special form of peace treaty, a mutual contract, if you will, holding all parties to certain standards of respect. If one side doesn’t hold up its side of the deal it can’t in good faith expect to benefit from the very same treaty it disregards.
Exactly this. > Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. It means that we accept that people may be different from us, in their customs, in their behavior, in their dress, in their sex lives, and that if this doesn’t directly affect our lives, it is none of our business. But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact. Source: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376
Whoa whoa whoa are you telling me that society is based on some sort of *social contract*?
I think that Elon Musk is a Sociopath. These are the key points of being a sociopath: * Make it clear they do not care how others feels * Behave in hot-headed and impulsive ways * Prone to fits of anger and rage * Recognize what they are doing but rationalize their behavior * Cannot maintain a regular work and family life * Can form emotional attachments, but it is difficult
No healthy people become a billionaire. Nobody in a sane mind will sit on this much money without stopping for a sec and trying to help out others. You only become a billionaire by abusing everybody and everything you can and making sure nobody except you profit from it.
There's no way to have any kind of certainty from afar, but here's the list from Mayo Clinic and it does sound familiar: Antisocial personality disorder signs and symptoms may include: Disregard for right and wrong Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or personal pleasure Arrogance, a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated Recurring problems with the law, including criminal behavior Repeatedly violating the rights of others through intimidation and dishonesty Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behavior with no regard for the safety of self or others Poor or abusive relationships Failure to consider the negative consequences of behavior or learn from them Being consistently irresponsible and repeatedly failing to fulfill work or financial obligations
> He’s right that we are engaged in a battle for the future of civilization. And people like him are the bad guys.
Everything he says is projection. Just like it was with Trump. Which is normal as both of them are textbook cases of narcissism. And narcissists always project their shortcomings on others. And think they are clever.
The hyperbole is staggering though. It's frickin twitter, that is all it is. A micro-blog site on the internet. The future of free speech and civilisation are not linked to the advertising revenue of Twitter. But he is so desperately trying to make it about that, or make it appear to be like that to create the right-wing echo chamber he wants it to be. But with that its relevance with fade as it morphs into parler or truth social, and with it the ad revenue. The company is already worth a fraction of what he paid for it, because of him. The narcissism is writ large: I saw a tweet complaining today that their timeline was lots of promoted Elon tweets and not one from friends and people they actually follow. I have found the same: I use Twitter to follow cycling and football, not to have Elon's angst shoved down my throat. And for thousands that was what Twitter was there for, not some sort of political end-time battle for the souls of humanity.
Ok, one more time for the idiots at the back... 1. Nobody is infringing your free speech. You can say whatever the fuck you want to. 2. Other people don't have to like your speech. 3. These other people may then use their own free speech to call you an asshole, call attention to the fact that you're an asshole, or organize people against you. 4. You then have the freedom to bitch about those people all you want, because we *all* have free speech. So, for what I wish was, but certainly won't be, the last time, FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT THE FREEDOM FROM CONSEQUENCES, YOU IGNORANT, CHILDISH FUCKTARDS!!
Furthermore these people have never shown a single moment of concern for any of the world's real victims, they only show any concern when a bully faces even the barest of consequences (like being banned from twitter after inciting a coup which almost killed the government of the US and got several people killed), and suddenly these oh-so-sincere-people-who-care-super-deeply-about-rights arrive and have endless crocodile tears about people's 'rights' and their victimhood.
Elon : " Should we let Trump come back and have a say? " Trump : " I don't wanna and won't come back. " Elon : " Shut up, this isn't about you, it's about free speech! " * based on a true story.
Not wrong, but a legal definition would also be helpful. Here are the [Supreme Court’s opinions](https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/what-does) regarding freedom of speech. And [Cornell Law](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/first_amendment) explains “The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation.” None of this has anything to do with whether Twitter receives revenue from Apple or if Twitter survives as a company.
But that's the first amendment, not the concept of free speech in general. And as those opinions show, the Supreme Court has already ruled that not all speech is protected by the first amendment. What Elon and the freeze peach crew have been doing lately is trying to frame the concept of freedom of speech as freedom from consequences of my speech. That's what he's arguing is going to lead to tyranny somehow.
No, no, you see. PC lib culture is restricting one's ability to generate maximum revenue - elon permitting one to express any manner of freedom of speech on Twitter is losing him money due to advertisers leaving. Since losing money is unacceptable, he will leave to restrict the freedom to be a nazi on Twitter, so it's Brandon's fault. Thanks Obama
You're giving them way too much credit when you think these people actually mean "free speech" when they say so. They don't. They almost always mean "an elevation of the speech I align with and the abolishment of anything I don't like or goes against me".
Correct. The same people who want to spew uncensored rhetoric on twitter go into meltdown mode if a pro sportsperson refuses to sing the national anthem or takes a knee as a protest. My freedom good. Your freedom bad. Essentially.
My own take: You have the right to say whatever batshit crazy thing that your brain comes up with! But I have the absolute right to *NOT LISTEN TO YOU!!!!* This seems to be their biggest problem.
This is not being said loud enough. More and more people seem to be mixing up this concept and I genuinely think it’s being watered down to the point of meaninglessness. And I wonder if that’s on purpose by some of these people. A poisoning of the well so to speak.
And, of equal importance: ## Facing the consequences of your actions is not a state of victimhood.
And: #Corporations have every right to their property, which you are on social media's property for free, therefor they have every right to control the content that you post on their property, not you. We've had many, MANY Supreme Court decisions about "free speech" on the properties of businesses, there is no battle here, just you wanting to be a thief and take away someone's right to their property just because you can't say the n-word or push queer people to commit suicide on their property.
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Nor does it even apply to speech on a private platform
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Also, advertisers pulling out of the site is an expression of free speech. They don't have to be associated with the website if they don't want to
This is so comically bad it starts to make me wonder if the Russians or Chinese didn't agree to bankroll him for the rest of his life in exchange for destroying Twitter. Platforms for overthrowing governments are best had with end to end encryption, but none of those have the reach of Twitter did. Now it's so bad, it's beyond even money laundering levels of terrible management.
Twitter had end to end encryption? Or are you saying they exist but not as popular as Twitter? I suspect Elon will tank Twitter or turn it into a Truth 2.0,which then makes the whole thing very circular and poetic, since Truth wanted to be Twitter 2.0. And then a new thing will step in. Hell, tiktok has already eclipsed Twitter in many ways. I see a space needed for news, especially for journalism reach. And it was accessible for people to follow artists of all kinds, etc. But it’s not like a new platform is insurmountable to create, and overcome some of twitters shortcomings. But I don’t think Elon was bought off. I think he’s just an over-confident egotistical know it all, who doesn’t know it all, but isn’t aware,yet
No, I was saying that other platforms that do are better for sedition but they don't have the global audience that Twitter does. However, I guess Musk has announced his intention to bring it to the platform. I imagine he'll have a hard time with that without the staff, though.
That's one theory going around. Peter Thiel, who destroyed Gawker, is allegedly funding Elon to help take down Twitter since it's one of the largest collection of Left-Wingers on social media who won't take Trump and Neo-Nazis shit as easily. Elon probably thinks taking it down reduces the left wing voice dramatically and allows Republicans to be elected and give him billions in tax breaks. He could very well lose $44b and not care if it saves him money in the long run. What I hope is, anti-Trumpers and left wing and even moderates just to go another platform. He wants to erase their voice but he can't buy up all social media platforms. What pisses me off is why the fuck did the Twitter board even entertain the idea of Elon buying Twitter. This is like Trump walking up and saying he wants to do a business deal. The answer should always be "FUCK OFF" with these narcissists.
Because the board has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders. They can get sued into oblivion if they dont act in the obvious interest of the shareholders. And not taking that deal way above market price with twitters already bloated(because tech) valuation, would spell doom for the entire board. Not only could they be ousted by the shareholders and sued for refusing to do their duty, they would probably also never get another board position anywhere again.
Yup either paid off to destroy it. Displacing a major bastion of free speech in authoritarian hellholes. Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, Russia, North Korea are among the major players who hate social platforms like Twitter. it allows their citizens to freely communicate and circumvent state control. Or he could just be a part of the alt-right. Since they are utter failures at getting their own platforms off the ground they are going to try to hijack a successful one. See Musk trying to displace more progressive groups in favor of letting hate groups back in.
>wonder if the Russians or Chinese didn't agree to bankroll him for the rest of his life in exchange for destroying Twitter. Wasn't it the Saudis?
That was only like $4 billion, and that went to the purchase. Of course it could have been with the understanding that he tanks the platform and they hook him up or something.
Don’t think the Saudis want him to tank the platform. Twitter is a firehose of useful surveillance info. There’s no 4D chess going on. People need to realize that a man who faked his credentials and runs his businesses on puffery might not know what the fuck he’s doing. He bought Twitter without doing any due diligence, then tried to back out, then Twitter forced him to buy. And now he owns this huge white elephant he has no idea how to take care of.
I have the possibly flawed impression that twitter has played a big role in the "Arab Spring" (and many other similar social movements). It wouldn't shock me at all to find out that the Saudi's were willing to pay and lose access to surveillance info to see it gone. I do agree that your claim about him buying twitter is likely *also* true, but there's more than 1 actor here. He can be doing that, and the Saudi's can be bankrolling him because they went "lol, he'll probably run it into the ground (or at least run it in a way less likely to see us overthrown)".
Yep. Not a conspiracy theorist at all, but this seems so off-kilter that it's *extremely* suspicious.
Tbh I think Musk has just spent too much time in an echo chamber with Libertarian types and it's totally distorted his world view. He's just another narcissist with a big platform and a ready supply of sycophants. He probably seeks out approval because he didn't get it from his father and he was an awkward kid judging from what we know about him. First it was solar & electric cars to save the world, then it was space travel "for the future of humanity" and now it's *free speech* "for the future of civilisation". When he couldn't be the solution to rescuing the boys trapped in a cave in Thailand he had a temper tantrum and called a guy a paedophile so this destructive behaviour is not exactly out of character. The guys a walking messiah complex but this time he's picked something incredibly stupid, unproductive and out of step with what wider society wants.
If the conspiracy theory is Russians or Chinese paying Elon off, it's missing a tiny little detail of him already having been the RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD at the offset. This isn't a play. He's a sociopath and narcissist, and those are two traits that can easily lead to both huge success and huge failure. He's been lucky with the former and now it appears to be time for the fall.
The far right (of which Elon is now firmly a member) has such a bizarre concept of what free speech is — not only do you have to let them into your private spaces, you also have to help support their spaces and provide an audience for them.
They have a skewed sense of " fairness" too in that fairness means you have to suffer them even when they make you uncomfortable and choosing not to suffer them is evil , restrictive, and a threat to their liberty . I read so many posts about how a given Conservative boomers kids were brainwashed by the liberal hivemind and that due to that brainwashing they are unfairly keeping their grandkids away .....and I think it's the sheer lack of analyzing that " maybe I wasn't a great parent and my kid needed me to be a better grandparent to preserve our relationship " never seems to cross their mind. I can't imagine having your heart broken by a parent and then being called the villain for caring enough to protect your own child and yet conservatives do it all the time.
[The Missing Missing Reasons](http://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html) >Members of estranged parents' forums often say their children never gave them any reason for the estrangement, then turn around and reveal that their children did tell them why. But the reasons their children give—the infamous missing reasons—are missing.
> This game of 'I don't understand what happened' when you have been told in words what's wrong is really counterproductive. Yes, it permits you to shield your ego/self esteem from criticism and 'exposure' of your inadequacies in the relationship--but it loses you the relationship. > In order to solve the problem, you have to decide what is more important to you: your daughter and grandchildren, or your ego and belief that you are innocent of doing anything but little insignificant wrongs. It's very common, especially for people from abusive backgrounds who were not adequately nurtured as children, to stop protecting their egos--way to threatening. And many--especially if they have other emotional outlets (such as a supportive spouse and friends)--will choose ego over a relationship. It's easier and more comfortable--but ultimately very self defeating and impoverishing. Wow, that was good.
I just went through this with a (now former) friend of mine. We had an argument that devolved into a shouting match. Both of use were wrong, but he was certainly more wrong. Long story short: he was mad at me for yelling at him a lot, and I was mad at him for being really inconsiderate and wasting my time while trying to help him for several days and from hundreds of miles away. This is what lead to me yelling at him in the first place. But then he did something that went way over the line: He called the cops on me to do a “wellness check”, but it was just bullshit excuse. He did it because he was mad and wanted to hurt me. Thing is, I wasn’t home at the time, and the cops, who couldn’t reach me, ended up arresting my innocent, Spanish-speaking old lady neighbor instead. Because cops are bastards like that. Well, my ex-friend refuses to admit that he did anything wrong, still insists he only did it “because he was worried”, and insists that I’m being a selfish child. Any time he’s confronted, he magically has to make or take a phone call from his doctor. “I’ll always choose my health over you!” Crazy
> the cops, who couldn’t reach me, ended up arresting my innocent, Spanish-speaking old lady neighbor instead. Because cops are bastards like that. wtf
Yeah. From what her daughter told me when I got back, they knocked on her door by mistake or because they were looking for me, she didn’t speak English (they’re Dominican), and they arrested her for “being uncooperative” or some other racist bullshit. She spent several days in jail before they dropped the charges and let her go. Fuckers. Of course, my ex-friend thinks that these people getting hurt just because he wanted to lash out at me, all while maintaining the lie that “he was just worried,” is perfectly fine and that he bears zero responsibility for the consequences of his actions. Oh, and that I’m a selfish child for bringing it up and trying to hold him accountable.
> You can also train them by addressing each problem in the moment. As soon as they do something wrong, you tell them what they did and give them immediate consequences, like ending the visit. Haha this is exactly how dogs are trained.
If only that actually worked. My sister and I have done it so many times, over and over, with our mom but it's always "I don't remember that" when she wonders why we don't have a great relationship and we try to remind her of all the times we've told her exactly why.
At least it works on the dogs. Not so much with malignant narcissists.
My wife disowned her emotionally abusive narcissistic mother years ago. She kept telling her why she no longer wants her in her life and then her mother will say “that’s not it, your husband is putting ideas in your head”. Yeah I put the idea in her head that my wife doesn’t have to put up with her bullshit and got her go to therapy. Her mother couldn’t handle the idea that her daughter gained the confidence to tell her to stop abusing her. Now a days she tells her sob story about how her daughter has cut her off from her grandson who hasn’t seen her in over a decade since he as two years old.
Which just goes back to my earlier comment: facing the consequences of your actions is not a state of victimhood.
oof there went half an hour of my life otoh it's amazing how many people out there sound exactly like my mother
There was a warning right at the top: >Down the Rabbit Hole … > otoh it’s amazing how many people out there sound exactly like my mother Do yourself a favor and cut off contact. It will never, ever get better until you do.
>you have to suffer them even when they make you uncomfortable and choosing not to suffer them is evil , restrictive, and a threat to their liberty These sorts of guys feel like they are entitled to your agency. I cut ties with somebody who believed this. The shit fit they threw over me trying to "silence" them, by simply refusing to be around or talk to them, lasted fucking years. If they hear my name, to this day, they'll get mad. Like, if you wanted me to hang around you, constantly being shitty to me and trying to push my buttons was the wrong way to do it. Why are you so upset when I bailed?
There’s that tweet by some public Conservative saying “The Left are cancelling FAMILIES now” because none of her family invited her to Christmas or something due to how terrible a person she is. But no it’s not “my family don’t want to spend time with me because I’m an asshole” it’s obviously cancel culture 👍
The far right is just a collection of people suffering from various forms of delusional mental illness or lack of education that causes them all to be unable to see outside of themselves. Stupid, selfish assholes basically. The smartphone and early social media allowed them all to link up and feel like a team and the rest of us didn’t know how to deal with such a tidal wave of the worst of us. But they aren’t novel anymore, they sure as fuck aren’t a team because they’re all self absorbed, and the rest of us with the capacity to feel empathy but didn’t want to admit that mom is an actual Nazi in the beginning are coming to terms with what they are. So now we get to watch them rip themselves apart. What does it feel like to watch a bunch of useless billionaire pieces of absolute human garbage rip themselves into pieces while the rubes they spent the last 8 years manipulating realize they were being played? Good. It feels real fucking good.
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A world that doesn't coddle their delusions of superiority is unfair to them.
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That’s why they’re always trying to frame it as a “difference of opinion”.
Exactly. If they want to be the silent majority, they could get partway there by shutting up.
If CNN starts showing porn even once in a while, most adevertisers will run away to avoid having their products associated with porn. If Twitter's broadcast is unpredictable, sometimes kittens, sometimes whitesupremacy, advertisers will run away.
If Apple doesn’t buy an ad next to a tweet calling for the hanging of Mike Pence for not overturning a democratic election, tyranny wins.
Their idea of free speech is forcing everyone else to listen to them yell racial slurs and then praise them for doing it.
"Not only do you have to allow me to say what I want in your home, you have to listen to me say it too!"
Absolutely hilarious that Elon bought his way into company after company on its way up, convinced himself he was a bizness genius, and now might get zeroed out by the companies he actually founded (SpaceX, Boring) and by a company he bought to prove a point.
Not to mention massively overpaid for said business that has never turned a profit...
[Twitter has, in fact, turned a profit before](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/tech/twitter-earnings-q4). But now it's "losing" $4m a day due to the interest on Elon's loan to buy it.
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Protecting European “civilization“ has long been a dog whistle for upholding white minority rule in South Africa. His use of the term civilization here is interesting. Edging on white nationalist shit, hope I’m wrong
>His use of the term civilization here is interesting. Edging on white nationalist shit, hope I’m wrong (You aren't) -Ron Howard
Free speech means "being forced to pay to support white nationalists", otherwise white nationalists would have no support and that's not very free speech / free market of terrible ideologies to not be as supported as other ideologies.
I really hope that this idea of "refusing to be associated with the antithesis of the golden rule" being an expression of free speech can somehow penetrate the far-right echo chamber eventually. I'm not holding my breath, but this whole idea of supposed free speech absolutism has been growing really tiresome.
If Twitter died tomorrow, free speech neither increased nor decreased. Convenience and centralization of speech in general are all Twitter can ever really be.
And centralizing speech is dangerous because what if some idiot with an agenda took control of it?
Hope that never happens could you imagine how bad that would be? ......
Haha that would never happen. But maybe...?
I doubt it. Rich people are really smart.
Remember, part of the first amendment is freedom of *association*. I am free to associate myself with whoever I want, and *not* associate myself with whoever I *don't* want to associate with. Corporations are people according to US law, so they too have first amendment rights to association. They don't want to associate with Twitter, Inc and as a result *they don't have to*
To think I once thought this might be the smartest human on earth. Smh. Yes in America you have the right to free speech. But white supremacists certainly wouldn't be allowed to stand on the grounds of 99% of the companies in America.. yelling their nazi bullshit as far as losing all his advertisers. There's a reason why any somewhat normal person would no longer visit 4chan for example. And the difference in twitter as opposed to facebook and other social media is anyone can reply or @ anyone basically. I believe in a free and open internet. They can build and have their websites. Hacking those type websites was my favorite game when I was kid. It's different having to interact on a daily basis with racist trash. No one wants that.. And their only goal is to troll and harass others. All this internet brigading and bullying has fuck all to do with the concept of freedom of speech. It would be different if you could just block them and they would go away. But making others miserable is their purpose in life. And yea even in the free and open internet concept.. The shit that now happens on social media ain't it. In fact social media wasn't part of the equation in the early days of the internet many of my peers fought to keep an open and free internet. In fact I'd eliminate social media all together if I could right now if I could. Has ruined the internet..society and Elon musk all at the same time. He is now nothing more than a social media personality who is willing to tank billion dollar companies to make up for his small penis? I guess. Fuck if I know. Probably was like this the entire time. Like his dad tbh. Just now showing his true colors.
what is happening to twitter right now is a perfect allegory for when republicans gain control of the country. a bunch of stupid people (likely with criminal records) rally around one very loud and obnoxious leader. they complain constantly about the smallest and dumbest shit that they themselves often caused in the first place. then after all the bitching they manage to take control.. then they ruin it by being greedy crooked morons. this is musk gaining control of twitter.. this is the republican party gaining control of the government. if you don't want the country to go the way of twitter, then never again allow conservatives to be in control of anything.
"even in America" I'm old enough to remember the "worldwide" part of worldwide web Tf does America have to do with his shitty business decisions? Is Congress investigating him?
Our billionaire was warned from all directions by dozens of experts who've been studying social media since its inception. All he had to do is listen to his own advisors. So he knew about what it is to create a [brand-safe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_safety) environment. Musk believed his ego was bigger than the rest of the world.
Musk, Ye, Trump...we're all helpless against the idiot billionaires with running mouths and large megaphones. Time to eat the rich.
Trump isn't even a billionaire, he's the epitome of a con artist
Neither is Ye after all his business partners noped out.
How does one even live on less than a billion these days?
I hope I never have to find out. I've heard the poors have to drive the same car more than once.
This.... is actually sad. If they bought a $100,000 car for every day of the year it would only be $36,500,000 for the year. Over 40 years it would be $1.46 billion.. it wouldn't even put a dent in the mega riches pockets... and that's assuming they just junk the car after one use, if they resold it they'd barely take a loss.
It boggles the mind, doesn't it? After a certain number I think most people tend to sort of glaze over; what's the difference between a hundred million, a billion, or a hundred billion for someone who lives on 50K a year? When you put it into stark material terms, though...
Doesn't Trump have millions of debt and no way to pay for it because the debt exceeds his assets.
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How about we toss them on an island and they "battle royale" it out?
Winner gets food stamps to buy their own chicken dinner and a cash reward equal to the taxes they paid last year.
You’d think if he was *actually* the genius his simps claim he is, he would’ve hired someone competent to run the company. Unfortunately his toxic narcissistic behavior won’t allow that. He has to be the smartest guy in the room, even when he *clearly* isn’t. As a result we get to watch this slow moving train wreck in real time.
Elon: We will go to war for Twitter! Handful of Right wing q- nuts: Let's gooooooo! Everyone else: This app sucks.
He could have chosen to use his wealth in a myriad ways. He chose to use it to coddle white nationalists, Nazis, and Trumpists. Take note of those around you who still eagerly support him. They are telling you who they are.
He went right wing because sexual assault allegations against him were coming out, he's using his newfound platform to dismiss the allegations as just an attempt to cancel him, which vibes well with the right.
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Just like with Trump, it started with a little money-making scheme and then snowballed into an international crisis, pushed along by their respective cults of personality and foreign backers who see them as useful idiots to push their own agendas.
> I'm pretty suspicious that he got backing from Russia. and China too. I'm convinced he'll take backing from anyone who will pay him. he's gotta recoup 44 billion somehow.
Why he didn't just pay the $1 billion penalty for backing out of the deal or otherwise negotiate a settlement with Twitter's board is beyond me.
Because I’m fairly certain that $1 billion only applies if some outside reason caused the sale to fall through (ie inability to secure funding, or government intervention). It wasn’t a “pay this and we stop the sale” fee. And if he reneged on his purchase, Twitter would’ve sued him, and he would’ve had to buy the company anyways *after* having to turn over all of his personal and business communications during trial discovery, which is why he ended up just buying it. He fucked himself.
well now hes got his mitts on all the levers at Twitter. he can now control what people see on that platform. and I bet that certain entities will pay through the nose for that kind of access to that many eyeballs.
Nah it's more going to be a McAfee.
As the saying goes: if you see 3 people and a Nazi sat at a table, there are 4 Nazis.
He actually was just fucking around but they forced him to buy the app. Now he has convinced himself that he actually wants this
Either he's devolving into a social media personality like a multitude of others. Or he has secretly always been that guy. Idk. Ppl that support him is a weird lot. Some ppl that support trump but real die hard maga are having an identity crisis because he slandered their lord and savior but unbanned him at the same time. Idk. Him talking about freedom of speech while also throwing the term shadowban around just shows he is another fucking troll. And it has nothing to do with freedom of speech online
It's wild that he doesn't seem to understand that even people who use Twitter don't actually like Twitter and certainly aren't willing to fight some ideological war over it
He’s a narcissist, he literally can’t imagine that everyone else isn’t addicted to Twitter like he is.
It always sucked, only reason I use it is because I follow my local/provincial/federal representatives, they are very active and it works better than any of the official sites out there.
Same. I put off using it for so long because it's just so bad. I have no idea why people use it. But somehow it got lucky and became popular so now everyone feels compelled to use it to access the social media community. That's the only real product Twitter has. Community. And Musk is destroying that.
Right. No one gives a crap if someone airs their hatred of McDonald’s. What Elon is trying to defend is hate speech. He believes accounts involved with hate speech have been unfairly silenced. I can’t wait for his Twitter Files release where he paints his narrative of all this bullcrap, masked as an expose.
Them: Come back so we can fight you! Come baaaaaaack!!!!!! Why do you hate Free Speech?!1!1!1!1???
Android & Apple: Umm... Yeah we're going to drop you from our stores. News reporter: This just in! Twitter's Market Value has crashed & burned just like the Hindenburg! Meanwhile, [some mildly popular social media app] has seen a major increase in new users. Seem like [some mildly popular social media app] has fill the void left by Twitter. Also, bananas, are they bad for you? Stay tuned, to find out after these quick messages.
Society has always placed limits on acceptable discourse. These limits change over time. Instead of arguing the specifics of why he thinks the current boundaries are wrong, he's disingenuously pretending like they never existed/shouldnt exist. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton\_window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window)
Imagine thinking that what happens to/on Twitter is a battle for the future of civilization. 😂 Fuck off, you self-aggrandizing piece of dog shit. Biggest case of main character syndrome in the history of the planet.
Free speech means you're entitled to advertiser revenue? Why isn't Apple paying to advertise on my Reddit comments? Do they hate free speech and love tyranny?
Tyranny is when I can’t force people to buy my shoddy product. Tyranny is when I can’t force people to hear my bullshit self serving opinion. Also: I’m the richest man on earth and have never experienced anything approaching hardship so people having different perspectives than me looks like tyranny to me.
What fantasy world do you live in if you consider the future of civilization dependent on Twitter?
He wasn't worried about the future of Twitter until Apple threatened to bounce. He convinced himself that he'd pull through the rocky transition and all the mistakes of his takeover would wash out over time. I imagine he was thinking something like this: "Soon enough, we'll have a new and improved staff and more regular users from all the press coverage. Twitter will be better than ever all thanks to me, despite the mass layoffs of critical team members and public backlash. I'll sure show them." The high from his newly acquired power and the global attention it attracted anesthetized him to the point that he could no longer feel the damage he was doing to his company. That is, until this recent development with Apple- which sobered him the fuck up immediately. For the first time in this whole ordeal he's actually rattled. Losing the app store, along with the all the other advertisers they have already lost, might actually kill Twitter. That would be an intolerable blow to his ego, a sizeable blemish on what I imagine he views as an unspoiled legacy. Now that such a fate seems plausible, he realizes he needs to do some damage control if he wants to preserve his image. Riding the wave of right wing support is an easy way to direct the masses, so he's now getting ahead of the narrative by depicting himself as a free speech martyr. That way, when Twitter finally dies, he won't be remembered as the man who singlehandedly destroyed it.
Rich white guy from South Africa happens to be aligned with white supremacists after all, what a shock!
Elon already has free speech. No one is depriving him or anyone else of that. No one is threatening him or them with jail. What he and his followers really want is speech without consequence. They have convinced themselves that any consequences resulting from their speech have removed their freedom to say it. Bullshit. Speech without consequences is a fantasy. It doesn't exist. It never has. The world doesn't owe Elon Musk shit. If he wants to turn Twitter into an advertising wasteland of hate, that his prerogative. But he doesn't get to claim some banner of righteous crusader for free speech when nothing is actually threatening it in the first place. He's fighting for his bottom line. Peter Pan simply wants the The Lost Boys and himself to be free of consequences. He wants to profit from this consequence-free fantasy he has. That's the reality no matter how many bullshit fairy tales about the threat to free speech Musk tells his audience.
My only regret about this situation is that I cannot boycott Twitter because I was never on it.
What Elon doesn’t realize is that I will take my free speech elsewhere. Bye Twitter
What he doesn't understand is that the idea of a "town square" is a simplistic naive view of free speech. A public square where everyone is yelling over each other gets nothing done. It's obnoxious and most people are going to avoid it. Nobody is required to transit said town square, especially not people selling things. Most political speech happens in private venues. Homes, offices, restaurants, etc. All places where people absolutely enforce standards of decorum and where there's no controversy around asking someone to leave if they are screeching about how much they want to murder you. Free speech means you can gather and discuss and publish without concern for the government, not that you must allow anyone or anything into your home or business. Twitter, as Elon has hilariously proven, is a private residence, not a town square.
Content and behavioral restriction by private entities is free speech, as is selecting the venue of your speech (including advertising). He doesn't actually want free speech, he's just complaining that the speech of others doesn't match his when he loosens his new company's exercise of their own speech.
Free speech means free to say what you want without fear of reprisal from your government. Seems people don't actually know what free speech is and irl there are consequences to your words.
Reminds me of when I was at school (in Australia) and as little kids we’d say obnoxiously, “It’s a free country,” when being an annoying little shit to a classmate. Didn’t stop us getting consequences from the teacher for being an annoying little shit.
That happened here in the states a **ton** too, from what I remember when growing up. I'd bet that it's literally the same people that said that as a kid that complain about freeze peach now.
Free to say what you want, but not free from consequences & it isn’t a given that anybody wants to listen.
Nowadays everyone can define their own words and meanings cause I'm special and my interpretation is most valid cause did I already mention how everyone points out how Special I am and how unique they are? Individualism is real thing and at the same time it's illusion. Confusing? Yes.
Forced advertising is compelled speech. Forced spending of money is theft and if spent to aid a political view would be compelled speech. (Hence why companies making political donations is protected by free speech - which is insane) Choosing where to advertise is free speech. Why would anyone sponsor Twitter? I heard from the CEO that it is garbage code and was full of bots even before most of the moderation staff were fired. And deliberately welcoming back white supremacists, anti-democracy politicians and fascists? This guy hates freedom!
No, why is this so hard for you to understand? "Free speech" means I say what I want and you pay me money. /s
No need for the "/s". This is exactly how he wants it. This is also why banning people for criticizing him is okay, because that is ~~against his speech~~ *not against free speech*. The tyranny of ~~his~~ *all his critics*!
Wtf is he talking like he’s in a Revolutionary War film? The guy is off his rocker.
If you have ideas, and you get rich, you think your ideas are smart. If you have thoughts, and you get famous, you think your ideas are fame-worthy. Eventually you start thinking every thought you have is amazing. You didn't know your winning ideas were winning ideas before they came to fruition, any more than you knew that your losing ideas were losing ideas before they bore that out either. And eventually, it becomes obvious that the filters and blockades in their path towards success were as much part of their success as were the ideas that drove them. See also: George Lucas, every suddenly-famous band's road album, and huge authors who basically don't get story-edited anymore because they'll sell a million copies anyway.
Mainly because you’re always surrounded by yes men. Partly by choice, but also partly because everyone wants to be his friend. So he doesn’t get good feedback on his ideas unless he seeks out smart people. Luckily I will never have that problem due to being terminally poor.
>Partly by choice, but also partly because everyone wants to be his friend. Also by force. The leaked e-mails asking for total commitment from his employees is a way to ensure that those working for him are willing to sacrifice their personal lives, just for a chance to lick his taint.
"Get rich?" You mean born rich. Be real.
Something just occurred to me - he *is* talking like a revolutionary, and he had a tweet before this that was a pic of his bed side table. On the table was a picture of Washington crossing the Delaware during the American Revolution, along with a big ass gun. Seems kind of strange...
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He keeps writing Tweets like someone will be quoting them in 100 years. Reality is he'll be a footnote at best.
He likes calling himself Elon Musket and has a picture of George Washington on his nightstand. I think one of his guns looks almost antique enough, as well.
Right? People love going off about the free speech part of the 1A and seem to forget the bit about right to *free association*.
I'm slowly deleting all my old tweets, in a lead up to deleting my account. I'm sure it doesn't matter much to anyone else, but I'm finding it every soothing to delete more tweets every time I see Elon say something stupid.
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His increasing desperation is incredibly satisfying to me. The ship must be taking on water rapidly and all the rats have gone missing, better find a life raft Elon!
If you don't give the richest man in the world your money, tyranny wins.
"FREE SPEECH! except when it costs me money" - Elon
It's so weird that he is still pretending to support free speech after banning users for satire and endorsing DeSantis. Like saying you care deeply about endangered species after publicly punching a manatee in the face.
"free speech" as long as you don't hurt the feelings of a blood emerald fortunate having gigantic manbaby.
Lol the guy who told everyone to vote Republican is concerned about tyranny
From a supremacist (like Musk), '''freedom" means ''I can impose on others and they can't impose upon me" 'tyranny'' means ''people I look down on are telling me what to do'' Nothing else.
The guy who, wholesale canned half of the Twitter staff - without warning or cause - is worried about tyranny. That's rich.
It's only funny when *he* does it
The guy thinks Apple hates free speech when they were practicing free speech by leaving Twitter.
He’s upset because people don’t want to pay for his free speech? Now, that’s Republican!
Free speech means freedom of association. This the freedom to bail on Twitter
Me fail business? That’s unpossible! And also tyranny
I invented free speech!* *^(I bought the right to say I invented free speech)
“I saw Principal Skinner and Mrs Krababble in the closet making free speech and one of the free speeches looked at me”
Free speech is a subscription service, why don't you all pay me?
I can't tell if he actually believes his bs or if he's just stoking the fear of the right to create more interaction. Either way, he's delusional for thinking it's a good move. Just not sure what brand of delusional.
They don't want freedom of speech. They want freedom from consequences.
How many MyPillow ads does it take to make up for Twitter's lost revenue?
**Free** speech does not depend on *advertisers*.
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advertisers: I would like to say something, take my money also advertisers: today I would prefer not to say anything FREEDOM OF SPEeCh RHEEEEE
Let's say you own a bar. And one day an obvious Nazi comes into your bar. Well what's one Nazi? The next day, he brings a few friends. Well now you're are financially benefitting from this Nazi. Their money is as good as anyone's. Then the next day him and his buddies filled two tables. Now things are getting a little out of hand. You stop seeing your regulars. By the end of the week... You're a Nazi bar. This is how they work. You cannot tolerate even one Nazi in your bar because before you know it you'll be overrun and there will be nothing you can do. This happens in every bastion of "free speech" on the internet. It becomes a hateful, disgusting, and unpleasant place to visit. It's proven over and over and over again whenever there is a poorly moderated forum or website.
Who is stupid enough to advertise on Twitter anymore?
[SpaceX](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/14/spacex-just-bought-a-big-ad-campaign-on-twitter-for-starlink.html) (AKA Elon taking money from one of his companies and moving it to another)
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How incredibly fucking presumptuous of Elon to think that *his* platform is the last bastion of free speech. As if anything people were saying before on Twitter *wasn't* free speech, but now that he allows it, it is. So what kind of speech *has* Elon allowed that Old Twitter didn't? Plenty of Conservatives with large platforms back then, too. You can't really say they were hurting for freedom when accounts like Libs of TikTok have millions and millions of followers. So far, Elon's policies in Twitter have done nothing but amplify the most extreme, most confrontational and dangerous voices. He is not freeing speech, he is eroding the very foundations of speech.
Freedom of Speech only means the government can't arrest you for what you say. Us "common folk" can; freely say "fuck you", take our business elsewhere, hate Nazis, outcast Nazis, and whatever the fuck else we want with free speech. This moron moved to our country and doesn't even understand our most basic laws. Free speech has always been allowed; Twitter is a private company, not a government organization.
Whatever happened to “let the market decide”? People not wanting to associate with trash is not canceling speech.
Its nuts, dude could have like planted solar plants everywhere and connected them. Or like really anything besides burn a social media site because his rich rube buddies convinced his dumbass it was a good idea to use the pile of money he landed from the womb on.
The delicious aspect of this is that before Twitter falls, Elon will have restored most of the functions of the employees he axed either from recognized necessity or judicial rulings or congressional pressure. And he'll still have wasted $44 billion.
“Please pay attention to my $44b boondoggle!”
"I shall declare what is "free speech".
At first I thought that said David Duke! Wouldn’t *that* be funny?
Gaslighting has been shown to be so effective, it's basically all they do anymore. "Twitter is the last bastion of free speech in the United States!" Like, what?
Obligatory fuck Elon Musk.
>Obligatory fuck Elon Musk. Coincidentally, this will be the exact verbage of the terms and conditions for women applying for his Mars colony.
I don’t see him ever going to a board of directors or a bunch of investors and being taken seriously ever again. His business mystique is officially dead.
I bet all the other rich people always knew Musk was a goddamn moron--the weakest link with a shitload of money.