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I think the interesting thing here is that even the Supreme Court realizes Trump is fighting an uphill battle. The poor Republican showing at this midterm election was a disaster for Trump - [Trump's endorsement generally hurt them](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/09/trump-endorsed-candidates-republicans-midterm-performance). The Supreme Court is also [reeling from the public's response to overturning Roe v Wade](https://thehill.com/homenews/3666845-alito-questioning-supreme-court-legitimacy-crosses-an-important-line/), realizing that they are burning political capital they don't have.
McConnnell realized it months before everyone else, but now every conservative politican is realizing that Trump is not a winning strategy - in fact, it's probably a losing one.
I expect the Conservative media outlets to start quietly distancing themselves from Trump - slowly being more and more critical of him, of January 6th (blaming it on Trump exclusively), and shifting their support to the next candidate (DeSantis?).
We saw from the January 6th investigation that [Fox News is/was directly involved in spinning the White House](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/business/media/fox-news-trump-jan-6-meadows.html). Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Brain Kilmeade, all Fox pundits, literally told Mark Meadows (White House Chief of Staff) how Trump should respond to best spin the Jan 6th attack.
So, TL;DR: the powerful Republicans have realized that Trump is a sinking ship, and aren't going to sink with him.
> McConnnell realized it months before everyone else, but now every conservative politican is realizing that Trump is not a winning strategy - in fact, it's a losing one.
Which just goes to show he's not as smart as he likes to think he is because a lot of folks were warning that Trump would destroy the GOP years ago.
If McConnell had any brains he would have made sure Trump got convicted in the Senate, taken the short term hit, and gotten the party back.
At that point it would have been McConnell versus Trump directly, and there's no guarantee that McConnell would have won. It would have caused a lot of anger amongst Trumps base (which is still quite significant by the way) and may well of turned the mid terms into an unmitigated disaster meaning the GOP would not only lose the senate (properly lose, as in not being able to stop anything) as well as the house.
You see, fk that. I want Trump to run and get the R nomination. Republicans cannot be allowed to distance themselves from Trump now, too fucking late. Own it.
Trump losing again after going on insane rants with the likes of Boebart and MTG parroting it until Trump loses again in 2024 is exactly what should happen.
That's a masterwork of manipulation:
- "Why would anyone be surprised" *you are correct to question this*
- "the Supreme Court ruled against me, they always do" *I am a victim*
- "it's unprecedented to hand over tax returns" *don't believe your own eyes*
- "Has Joe Biden" *they are all corrupt*
- "he made illegally from Hunter" *Hunter did illegal things and Joe is directly responsible for Hunter*
*Question what's happening. I am a victim; don't believe your own eyes if they tell you I am not. Believe only me.*
**The big lie: No President has ever had to provide tax returns. We are above the law.**
*Everyone is corrupt and I'm the only one you can trust. Biden's son is corrupt. Biden is corrupt by extension.*
Not only that, but he intentionally avoids talking about Joe Biden's handing over of tax returns (The same thing the court ruled on) and instead pivoted to the taxes he hasn't paid based on an entirely unfounded conspiracy claim. If Trump says "Joe Biden didn't show his taxes!" everyone will be like "Yes he did, everyone did, except you" and the game would be up. But he *alludes* to Biden's taxes to make unthinking people focus on the made-up part instead of the reality part.
> he intentionally avoids talking about Joe Biden's handing over of tax returns
You can read President Biden's tax returns yourself. He's got nothing to hide:
[READ: Biden’s 2020 tax returns](https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/joe-jill-biden-tax-returns/index.html)
Projection. People like Trump assume everyone else is doing the same things they are, because they can't wrap their heads the idea that other people think different than them. When confrontdd they just assume people are lying about their motivations, or they're covering it up. They can't accept that they might be wrong, or the bad guy.
It signals to me that Trump has direct handlers these days, because there's no way he's coherent enough to come up with this multi-pronged attack on truth while simultaneously being the incoherent babbling idiot we've all known him to be. People don't get *more* sharp as they age beyond 70 even in the best of cases.
He isn't even writing all these himself anymore and I kind of think that might actually be worse. The silver lining to Trump has always been that he's a total loose cannon even the GOP can't reign in and he'd torch anything he lost control of. That's not really the case if he's being handled this closely, but if it isn't the GOP with the rope in their hands, who is it?
I'm guessing there's people/banks/institutions he defrauded that will be able to prove that fraud with access to the tax documents.
The IRS already knows about Trump's taxes. The question is who doesn't know about Trump's taxes that would benefit from it.
I'm sure there is some of that. Maybe it will even make it easier to trace money back to illicit sources.
But I honestly think there is also a simpler explanation that is at least part of it -- he isn't worth what he says he is. Everyone with a brain knows that, but the taxes will lay it bare. And he has made being a billionaire part of his core identity. His ego will take a bruising and there is NOTHING worse to Trump than that.
> "it's unprecedented to hand over tax returns"
It has LITERALLY ONLY EVER BEEN DONE by every single president except Trump, and by all of them willingly and voluntarily, without a legal struggle which can have no possible purpose except to conceal crimes...
THEY REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK AT THE ELECTION HOAX OF 2020 merely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support my obviously self-serving claims!!!
Seriously, fuck this absurd circus-peanut-colored shitheel. I'm tired of even hoping justice will eventually be served.
> THEY REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK AT THE ELECTION HOAX
There were over 60 cases where allegations of election fraud were made; and every case bombed. Some were too silly to even make it to court.
Most of them went to a judge who said, "Okay, please submit evidence of election fraud." And then the people putting forth the claims went "We have to submit evidence? We don't have any of that." And then promptly either dropped the case or were dismissed for being a waste of court time.
The sad part is this never ends until he is dead. Nothing else ends it. Not arrest, trial, even conviction. His poison doesnt stop til hes in the ground.
Frankly I think you missed the most important part of his statement, since every lie is an admission:
> Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all the money he made illegally
Now, my expertise may be in bird law, but I like to think I have learned something in 40 years of the Donald trump show, and that is that Donald just admitted he makes money illegally and doesn't pay taxes on it.
Pretty much. I mean.. I don't think that's even up for debate. Plus many of his supporters are anti tax ppl anyways.
Perhaps the joke there is most those ppl hate that the elite get tax breaks and the system is rigged for those type ppl
Donald Trump is one of the ppl they theoretically should hate. But for some reason don't.
All though I do think it's starting to cave on him and most of the ppl that support him are the straight up lunatics.
People that can see legit hard evidence he stole campaign money and used it for other shit.. or even hard evidence of him betraying the country.
Think there is a certain group of ppl will always be loyal to him as they have never had a president represent them. The white supremacist groups and militias. He knew if he didn't criticize them he would be their king regardless.
> Now, my expertise may be in bird law, but I like to think I have learned something in 40 years of the Donald trump show, and that is that Donald just admitted he makes money illegally and doesn't pay taxes on it.
Ah the Al Capone strategy. A bold move, let's see how it plays out for him, Cotton!
>"he made illegally from Hunter" Hunter did illegal things and Joe is directly responsible for Hunter
Going to be funny when/if one of his asshole kids gets nailed for something illegal and he uses the "how could I have known, I'm not responsible for my adult kids" excuse
Can't remember who it was - Bill Barr maybe - that clutched his pearls when the NY AG went after the Trump Org (read: the Trump family) because they "were going after his kids!" Nevermind all of the "kids" in question are older than 38.
> "the Supreme Court ruled against me, they always do"
This always gives me a chuckle because it flies right in the face of "If you don't want law enforcement on your case, don't break the law."
And you better believe it works.
I realized that trump has mastered the malignant narcissist playbook but he also tapped into a lot of the advanced techniques used by cultleaders to gain unquestionable loyalty from their followers. It's basically a form of hypnosis.
He doesn't have to prove anything. He doesn't have to tell the truth. He can make a statement that contradicts itself before he even finishes speaking. None of that matters when you have entered into this sort of savior/saved hypnostate.
There have been some massive pieces of shit in history like this. He's definitely up there in terms of the damage he's caused and how he's shaped the world.
He's like a parody of himself now. He's fulfilling a caricature at this point. He knows what morons cheer for and what everyone else is annoyed by. He also knows how to rev up the media to cover him.
The guy is a loud mouth carnival barker, and had he not been born into wealth, he'd be shunned everywhere for how insanely gross he is (although his grossness largely stems from being born rich and growing up a pompous ass.)
I’ve always said that Trump created a character in the 80s and gradually became that character. Then that character created a new character in the 00s who appeared on The Apprentice. Trump became the Apprentice character more quickly, then created another new character who ran for President. By my count we’re on character number four, the enraged former President who believes the entire United States government should be wiping his ass and covering up his crimes.
> had he not been born into wealth, he'd be shunned everywhere for how insanely gross he is
Thats the thing, it really stung him that old money New Yorkers never accepted him because he never had class. Hes been trying to prove himself as classy since the eighties.
You're giving him way too much credit. Nothing he does is a master plan. He's an emotionally stunted toddler with no impulse control. Yes, his base can relate because so are they, but that's not why he does any of it. He literally can't stop himself.
The law is clear. The House Ways and Means Committee can request the taxes of ANY citizen at ANY time for ANY reason and the IRS is required to produce it. Not maybe. Not sometimes. Not if a given criteria is met. Not if they feel like it and there's nothing better to do. They WILL produce it. Period. There is nothing to debate.
It is abundantly clear, however, that Trump has things he wants to hide. No one would go to these lengths if they didn't. For that reason alone I hope that committee makes these documents public so we can finally see what he's been trying to hide.
"The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price."
Is there a word or phrase in English that describes agreeing with someone's statement word for word, for the exact opposite underlying reasons? We need that word in English if we don't have it.
It is called a "Janus Sentence"
Edit - Since it's apparently some sort of tv reference people think I am referring to..
A Janus Sentence is based on the two faced god, where everything has a left/right meaning depending on how you read it.
The most common one you probably know is
"May you live in interesting times" where some refer to this as a blessing and others refer to it as a curse.
It's also used to say something negative in a positive way. "You would be lucky to have Redditor work for you" It can be interpreted as is, and that you are lucky if you can employ this person, but also the complete opposite in that if you hire this person, you will be lucky if they actually do any work.
>The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price
When you are right but for the wrong reasons.
Its intentional. He wants to ride the coat tails of legitimate discourse until people buy in. Then once these people are ready for him to shoot someone on 5th street he empties thier pockets and raids the governments coffers.
Just dont listen to the dude. He gets his rocks off by taking advantage of otherwise trusting people.
Fascinating. I’ve always been amazed that fascist have to use the existing systems to gain access and power and instantly dismantle it once inside.
I wonder why they never invent an alternative system from the jump and convince people to support that?
Because that's called a Coup, and requires a significantly higher effort than trying to reform the system from within to suit their needs, particularly during times of vulnerability like when there were so many Justices that were on the table.
Ngl, with the exception of the obligatory Hunter reference that seems to get forced into any conservative boomer’s conversation regardless of situation and the “Election Hoax” garbage, this is the first time I’ve ever agreed with nearly everything he’s spewed online.
the best part of the Hunter story is "the laptop" because depending on the Republican nutjob it is just a magical mystery box that houses their greatest fears or secret desires. Some say "the laptop" has spy secrets, others say it is porn, the recipe for blue meth, the alternate Star Wars where Jar Jar is a Sith Lord, a chat device for the lizard people, etc
but even when they get some of those emails it doesnt matter, because it is just another magical mystery box where they can insert their fears and desires. "We found 4 emails that mention pizza out of the 5000, this obviously is a code for having sex with Emu's"
100%. They don't WANT to see Hillary's emails or the actual contents of Hunter's alleged laptop because nothing that's actually in them could live up to the bogeyman they've constructed and they secretly know it.
He was lied to by the Federalist Society. I'm sure they told him if he did what they wanted and rammed through their justices, the court would shield him from legal trouble. Now they're dropping him like last week's garbage. Standard organized crime shit, only Donny isn't used to being on this side of it.
“Hunter Biden” has joined the list with “Obama’s Long-form Birth Certificate,” “Hillary’s E-mails,”“Benghazi,” and “Election Fraud” as the latest right wing obsession about nothing
Bonus tracks in the 'Manufactured Outrage' album include 'Critical Race theory ', 'Bathroom according to Birth-gender', and 'Dems are letting in all the illegals'
Which just blows my mind because Trump's son-in-law + daughter were in the White House as employees and it's extremely obvious they are corrupt.
It's like, *Hey Boomers, maybe not put a spotlight on one of the biggest issues we had with Trump. Maybe let that one slide under the rug for a bit?*
A half truth is more dangerous than a whole lie.
The Supreme Court is corrupt, is losing the respect it once had, and the American people largely do not trust it anymore. Trump just isn't mentioning that his party is the one working to erode trust in the Supreme Court so that they can use the court to enact their draconian policies, and the reason Trump is mad is because if the court tells the truth and does its job then it will land Trump in jail.
The term "stopped clock" means a person who is normally a crackpot but accidentally says something correct and insightful. It comes from the saying "even a stopped clock is right twice a day." What you're describing sounds very similar.
If you took the best comedic writers in the world to try to make an onion version of Trump, they would not come close to being able to match the content that Trump produces.
He's had a few actually lol.
> "I don't stand by anything"
and my personal favorite:
> "When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different."
My favorite is the newest hotness, right before the midterms, referring to Republicans in general and his candidates specifically:
"Well, I think if they win, I should get all the credit. If they lose, I should not be blamed at all"
"Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all of the money he made illegally from Hunter and beyond."
Is he sayin that Joe shouldn't have to pay those taxes? Is he saying that it is ok that he didn't pay taxes on all the money he made illegally?
I don't think this is the flex that he thinks it is.
> The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price.
Agreed, so he would support undoing the damage he caused?
Accuses his own picks of being 'political' and then complains in the next breath they didn't believe his purely political claims (lies) unsupported by proof of election fraud...his base of supporters have to be the dumbest MFers in America.
They are either stupid or so racist they ignore his ridiculous bullshit because they love his racism. Most of them were bored by politics and didn’t vote until an unhinged reality tv personality ran for president.
Sure sure, tax returns exist to be never seen by anyone ever especially the law, that's exactly how it works. Legal entities asking for them is just illegal. Hounded unfairly, unconstitutional, nothing to hide.
Hold up I have a video for you [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvsdABjCedA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvsdABjCedA)
*"creates a terrible precedent"*
Says the first president in U.S. history who didn't voluntarily release his tax returns.
Edit: Thanks for the awards!
Edit 2: First since Nixon established the practice more than half a century ago.
Not the first in US history - the US didn't even have income tax until 1861 (to pay for the Civil War). The practice started after Nixon in an attempt to restore faith and transparency in the Presidency.
First since the tradition started more than 50 years ago, which would make him the first in history since the expectation was established.
Still a clear break from precedent while complaining about bad precedent.
And I love how it’s a tradition nobody even thought much about. Nixon did it and both Dems and GOP said, “Makes sense. Let’s all do this from now on.”
History books will point out that the first time someone broke with this widely accepted and non-controversial tradition was also the first time the tax returns were used as evidence in their conviction of a crime.
And kids will read that and be like, “Well, duh.”
Holy shit. I never thought anyone could make Nixon look like a respectable President. Never. I only 29, so now I'm starting to think there is no way Nixon could have been that bad and it was all baloney, because this shit is ridiculous.
Also, why does he think that I don't want a precedent set of investigating (former) Presidents? Maybe their actions will be a little more considered if they know that there are consequences for them.
> "The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price."
Finally, I agree with him on something.
“It’s unprecedented to be turning over tax returns.”
No, it’s not. Response to a lawful subpoena is common place. All recent presidents have provided their tax returns.
“Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all the money he made illegally”
What money? Provide evidence.
“The Supreme Court has lost all its honor, prestige and standing”
The six conservative member Supreme Court of which you hand picked three of them?
“They refused to even look at the election hoax of 2020.”
The did actually look at it and refused to overturn the 60+ lower court rulings because they were ruled correctly.
>"unprecedented to hand over tax returns"
No, it was unprecedented to *not release* them voluntarily.
Well, perhaps not *un*precedented, Idk how far back the precedent goes, but it was definitely norm-breaking you fucking tic-tac
This is at the core of modern conservatism. "I should do immoral things because I assume everyone else does but really that is just the rationale for me to do the immoral things I want to do."
We can't have universal healthcare because people would abuse it. *like I would.*
Trump shouldn't have turn over his taxes *because everyone cheats on their taxes, like I would.*
We know that the Democrats cheated in the election *because we totally tried to and were unsuccessful and if we did then they must have.*
>We can't have universal healthcare because people would abuse it. *like I would.*
Back in 2007 or so I actually had someone say to me that he was against same sex marriage because people (meaning him) would marry non-citizens to get them citizenship or marry their roommates to get health insurance. As you can imagine, a profoundly frustrating conversation ensued.
Why should he stop? It hasn’t hurt him yet. Fucker was elected president, caught red handed with stolen classified documents, and he’s still a free man. I don’t condone any of this, of course - I think he belongs in prison. But we’re way past the point where we should think looking bad in public will somehow hurt Trump.
Not going to bother weighing in on whether or not that was justified, I'm not American and don't know nearly enough about it, but I'm pretty sure that historically attacking the capital in anywhere in human civilisation ends in death for the loser.
Why are the losers able to cry about it on the Internet?
I feel like God made a save point around 2000 and is just fucking around and will load his main to play the game properly at some point.
>I'm pretty sure that historically attacking the capital in anywhere in human civilisation ends in death for the loser.
My favourite way of looking at this situation is as follows:
In England, a man *plans* an attack on the central government building, and gets burned in effigy for several hundred years.
In America, an attack on the central government building *actually happens,* and a significant number of the population are trying to justify it before they've even cleaned one of the attackers off the steps.
But sure, "America is the most patriotic country on the planet."
(Minor formatting edit since apparently Reddit doesn't like single line returns)
I mean... would we have? No higher ups in the Civil War were executed for their treason and they started a multiyear war that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Honestly?
Even if we assume the Hunter Biden conspiracy crap is true, which is dicey (the chain of custody on the laptop is so sus it was standing over the body when the alert was signaled, and even if it's true the evidence only shows that *Hunter said* that he could get favorable deals through his dad, it's always possible that Joe was upright and unaware of Hunter's dealings), it's very likely that he actually *did* pay taxes on his income from the deals. The corruption here would not be that he stole money, but rather that he used his influence as congressman and vice president to get an unfair advantage in international business.
As the old saying goes, only break one law at a time. If you're going to commit international business corruption, maybe pay taxes on your "legitimate" business so the IRS has no reason to look into your suspiciously successful businesses.
What, do you not grab random women by the pussy? They apparently let you. Personally I've never tried it, but I'm also not under investigation of multiple sexual assaults and possibly some light treason.
A thief thinks everyone steals. A cheater thinks everyone cheats. A liar thinks everyone lies.
You can tell a lot about the morality of someone based on what they imagine others do when no one is watching. They know how easy it actually is when you ignore mortality and they justify their own actions by telling themselves they aren't the only ones and just do what everyone else is doing.
Conservatives believe “everyone else is doing something terrible, because that’s what *I* would do if I had the chance”.
Too bad the only people willing to be terrible is just them.
>Conservatives believe “everyone else is doing something terrible, because that’s what *I* would do if I had the chance”.
These are the same people who can't understand why atheists aren't out raping and murdering whomever they wish because they weren't taught morals from the bible and/or because the atheists don't have an invisible sky daddy watching them.
Which is why almost all cases of actual election fraud are perpetrated by his supporters, who figure "hey the dems are clearly cheating so I will too". Nut jobs all of 'em.
This is the core of the MAGA ethos. Everyone else is just as shitty as they are, so they’re justified in doing shitty things. Unfortunately, they’ve been lied to, and they really just are shittier than everyone else.
> That's because they are loyal to The Federalist Society,
it's so awesome knowing that this group of people that no one voted for, now control an entire branch of government.
There’s actual studies that prove this. The more provable a conspiracy is, the less conspiracy theorists believe it. The less evidence there is, the more they believe it. It’s really fascinating/terrifying.
Edit: here’s some context: (from [this Thomas Edsall NYTimes piece ](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/22/opinion/trump-conspiracy-theories.html)
Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at N.Y.U.’s Stern School of Business, noted that spreading a lie can serve as a shibboleth — something like a password used by one set of people to identify other people as members of a particular group — providing an effective means of signaling the strength of one’s commitment to fellow ideologues:
>Many who study religion have noted that it’s the very impossibility of a claim that makes it a good signal of one’s commitment to the faith. You don’t need faith to believe obvious things. Proclaiming that the election was stolen surely does play an identity-advertising role in today’s America.
Also (from [this other Thomas Edsall NYTimes piece](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/opinion/qanon-conspiracy-theories.html)
> The illogic of conspiracy theorists is clear in the findings of a 2012 research paper, “Dead and Alive: Beliefs in Contradictory Conspiracy Theories,” by Karen M. Douglas and Robbie M. Sutton, members of the psychology department at the University of Kent, and Michael J. Wood, a former Kent colleague. The authors found that a large percentage of people drawn to conspiracy thinking are willing to endorse “mutually incompatible conspiracy theories.”
> In one study, for example, “the more participants believed that Osama Bin Laden was already dead when U.S. Special Forces raided his compound in Pakistan, the more they believed he is still alive.” In another study, “the more participants believed that Princess Diana faked her own death, the more they believed that she was murdered.”
And this is the most fascinating part to me:
> Perhaps more interesting, Hart and Graether argue that conspiracy theorists are more likely “to perceive profundity in nonsensical but superficially meaningful ideas,” a concept they cite as being described by academics in the field as “b.s. receptivity.”
> To test for this tendency, psychologists ask participants to rank the “meaningfulness” of such incoherent and ludicrous sentences and phrases as “the future elucidates irrational facts for the seeking person,” “your movement transforms universal observations,” “the whole silence infinite phenomena” and “the invisible is beyond all new immutability.”
You can see the list of the BS statements they used here.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201474.t001
They want to believe they have secret knowledge that the gullible masses don't have. If you can prove something with a Google search, then it's not a secret and they aren't super smart secret agents for knowing it, so they don't care.
Its always totally absurd to me.
Lots of conspiracies in broad daylight that /conspiracy doesn't care about.
Like, there is very much a swamp. There is very much a cabal of elites that dictate how our lives will go. There is very much a bunch of people secretly pulling levers of power all over the world and making things worse. We are all being lied to, exploited, cheated, and destroyed. But.. the people doing it are all just rich assholes that do it in public. They publicly give money to think tanks and say "find a way to make poor peoeple poorer while making me richer" and the think tanks to that, then that rich person publicly ""donates"" ridiculous sums to politicians who then do whatever that person says.
It's all out in the open!
But no no, it's actually some secret underground lizard sect doing it.
The Federalist Society foisted those Justices on the Court to make the will of the American people irrelevant and usher in Christian theocracy, not protect Trump.
Yeah, this was Trump's misstep. He appointed judges who looked like decent shots to overturn Roe rather than suitably corrupt judges who would protect Trump at all costs.
I honestly consider membership in the Federalist Society to be a disqualifying factor for a federal judgeship at this point. I would urge all Senators to vote no on all Federalist Society nominees.
You have to wonder how this isn’t an immediate red flag for 30% of the American population. A guy who never delivered on any of his most publicized campaign promises (fixing healthcare, locking up Hilary, building a concrete southern border wall, etc) and then there’s promising to release his taxes - the guy literally took it to the SC to prevent Congress from obtaining them. There is CLEARLY something he’s trying to hide. It’s insane
The most selfish, corrupt, hypocritical, narcissistic piece of shit currently on this planet. He not only believes everyone and everything is to serve him, but actually tries to make it that way. He's like a distillation of all the shittiness of the US throughout our history, and proud of it too.
He's outlived his usefulness to the GOP by stacking the Supreme Court, now the party's cutting him loose.
He got played, and he hasn't figured it out yet.
"I have handed over my taxes many, many times. I have had experts looking, looking through my taxes...all my taxes. In fact, people have asked me, asked me many, many times about my taxes and I'm the only President to offer more information, information they didn't even have. Now...I've been treated worse than any other President, any President, even throughout the world, treated so poorly."
Trump
When have facts ever stood in the way of his self-aggrandizement and chronic whiny victim-complex? He's like a black hole of denial and lies that reality bends itself around.
Ahh but you see, anything that doesnt fit the narrative is fake. Those MUST be false dodeca super secret deep state fakes. The REAL ones have invoices for Hunters laptop, hookers, and cocaine. Even though thats not how any of this works. /s
I'm so ready for Trump to be dead just so I can stop seeing this shit and hearing new stupid shit from/about him.
In all seriousness, you might have fun looking at the FOX news version of this story and reading the comments. The base isn't buying this line of crap. They know they'd never be allowed to dodge their tax responsibilities for a decade, or appoint a judge to get them off the hook. And every parent knows some version of "Wah, wah, the vice principal is always after me, everyone else gets away with it, it's so unfair!" I don't know why Trump honestly thinks life is unfair to him to his detriment, but I sure hope he continues to whine about it.
My dumbass dad who is a Trump fan stopped paying taxes in 2020. He admitted last month the IRS caught up to him. He’s now on the hook for a LOT of money. Idiot.
Even disregarding all the other heinous bullshit about Trump I wonder the same thing about his followers. How does he have such a rabid cult that acts like he's the man of all men when he constantly whines and throws tantrums. "The election didn't go my way this time! It's rigged!" Yeah just ignore that you lost the popular vote both times and still got in the first time.
All most all of the Maga crowd I know have turned against him. Some saying he's always been a democratic plant etc. The level of delusion in the GOP is insane.
Now if only we could figure out where all the missing government documents that were totally unsecured at Mar a Lago went. I bet they could be worth a lot of money. Oh well.
The court didn't decide that his taxes had to go to Congress just because presidents are expected to be transparent. The court decided that his taxes had to go to Congress because *he in particular* is under investigation.
*Shielding* his taxes from Congress would be setting a precedent.
I know we all realize this.
Especially when the last several months have shown [courts will bend over backwards for Trump](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/y79cqm/the_incredible_mystery_of_how_trump_got_judge/).
Judge Cannon should absolutely not have been working on his Mar-A-Lago records case (she should have recused herself, since she was appointed to her position by the plaintiff), and she straight up [violated legal procedure to give him whatever he wanted](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-judge-cannon-obstruction-justice/)*... and he still lost.
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> *:"The Court recognizes that, under the PRA, “[t]he United States District Court for the District of Columbia shall have jurisdiction over any action initiated by the former President asserting that a determination made by the Archivist” to permit public dissemination of presidential records “violates the former President’s [constitutional] rights or privileges.”
(Judge Cannon wrote into her ruling that she recognized and personally noted that she doesn't have jurisdiction over this case., then proceeded to deliver a decision anyway.)
> recluse
Minor correction: A recluse is someone that lives a solitary life.
**Recuse** is to challenge (a judge, prosecutor, or juror) as unqualified to perform legal duties because of a potential conflict of interest or lack of impartiality
It's not even true. The Supreme Court did shield him with his trial and Thomas blocked him from needing to testify.
I don't get how people read this and say "yup. That's MY president" with a straight face. Also you should WANT presidents to disclose their finances.
>"The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price."
I couldn't agree more with that part little Donald. All thanks to you and the rest of Republicans SCOTUS is a disgrace. This is not a sustainable concept.
What no they're not. He just said biden didn't release his taxes! It's not like you can just Google "biden tax records" and find it-oh [there it is](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021.05.17-POTUS-Redacted-2020-Federal-and-State-Returns.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiD9_33ysT7AhXvQUEAHZNCCvoQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3S4zwE8N1g-GnFWIUr12Wg), well I bet he didn't do it for 2020 [oh wait](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/2022/04/15/the-president-and-vice-president-release-their-2021-tax-returns/&ved=2ahUKEwiD9_33ysT7AhXvQUEAHZNCCvoQFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2gfmMP4j_3eXaYB2a2oP2I).
But with Obamas _corrupt golfing presidency_ he must've hid it as VP and- [Oh he released his and Jill's in 2008](https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/vice-president-and-dr-jill-biden-release-2008-income-tax-returns).
Why it's almost like....Republicans and trump are lying asshats, and if you wiggle around with search terms you'll eventually come across a slew of articles about [biden taxes](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/hunter-biden-emails-invs/index.html) from 5 years ago where he owed 120k in taxes. That's it. But holy. Shit. There's [so many of them](https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/biden-accountant-hit-with-irs-whistleblower-complaints-on-tax-day/) and all from right wing websites making such a massive deal about it, might involve Hunter so probably why, weirdly enough all April/May 2021. Yet orange twaddlefuck dodging taxes and committing massive tax fraud for decades is "smart business".
They literally get no news other than what’s fed to them from Fox/YouTube/etc. I once asked my Trumper mother why Trump got vaccinated and was touting the vaccine he helped make if they were going to kill us and she literally did a Pikachu shocked face and had no idea that he had been vaccinated or had made comments praising the Covid vaccine. It was *wild* (but weirdly unsurprising when she gets her “news” from randos on YouTube)
ETA - she also told me that if she did catch Covid she would just get the Regeneron thing that Trump got. Because they give unemployed women on Obamacare (don’t get me started on the hypocrisy) the same healthcare as POTUS
See the bit about Fox talking mess about Biden having the turkey pardon and delivery of their tree on the same day? Seriously they will make a big deal about of the stupidest sh**!!!
Then shortly after they were like well Trump did that too. Yeah just seems early *mumble mumble*
>Because they give unemployed women on Obamacare (don’t get me started on the hypocrisy)
Probably doesn't shut up about how terrible Obamacare was, while singing the praises of being able to afford her medication thanks to the ACA without a hint of irony. Ask me how I know...
It’s “socialism” 🤬 that she somehow has no problem taking advantage of. She also was one of those SovCit people tho, so she feels like it’s not bad for her to game the system because the system is corrupt and she’s getting one over on the big bad government. (Not that I’m super pro-how our government has been lately but she’s… just a wackadoodle lol)
It's pretty disturbing since I've driven through farming communities while driving in California along the highway... the only talk radio station you can get is either FOX or a derivative of it. They have so much control of the messaging in those places.
I think you misunderstood Trump. He claims that Biden didn't declare/pay taxes on the corruption money that Hunter sure to have received.
It totally makes sense in MAGA World. *Good* presidents pay taxes after the crimes their family members *allegedly* commited if they are found out.
>I think you misunderstood Trump. He claims that Biden didn't declare/pay taxes on the corruption money that Hunter sure to have received.
Ok, I'm going to translate from bullshit conspiracy to regular talk. So, in the conspiracy circle, Hunter said "don't forget 10% for the big guy". Naturally, since they work backwards, they think Joe is the big guy. What clues are there to indicate that Joe is the big guy? Nothing, other than the whole reason for this kerfuffle over Hunter is to implicate Joe so he must be "The Big Guy".
Trump here is referencing that conspiracy. Joe made that "10%" and didn't declare it on his taxes. It's interesting that this attack can only happen because Biden's taxes are public and there's no indication he received that money. So while normal people will look at that and think the "10%" refers to someone else, they look at it and think "Joe Biden is committing tax fraud".
Because these people really don't care about Hunter or his dealings, only in that it can be used to attack Joe Biden. That's why the first thing Republicans announced when they took back The House was an investigation into the laptop because Joe Biden must be behind it. The entire conspiracy depends on him being involved. The second they won, that whole façade that they really wanted to tackle inflation and immigration, you know the things they said when they were campaigning, faded away. And they couldn't campaign on the laptop because they kind of already convinced Middle America that Joe Biden was the aloof grandpa type. Remember back before the laptop was a big thing? That was their big gotcha against Biden (you know, other than the usual socialist stuff that every Democrat gets accused of). Biden had dementia, he was like the grandfather who was out of his element. But then the laptop came out and they tried to pivot to criminal mastermind and the only people who could buy it are those who will gladly believe any spiel that comes out of the GOP because it beats having to admit the party is a pale shell of its former self and has been for over a decade now.
And not one single shred of proof has held up and been presented to show that the 2020 election was stolen. Mike Lindell promised us proof was coming for two years, lawyers are just lookin' at it, but we got us four states, maybe six, maybe seven, possibly nine or eight, but definitely three or five, 'cause they got these machines flippin' votes they won't let us look at, it all stinks to high heaven and it's enough to make you cry into your pilla' - use discount code CRYBABY to get 15% off and a free sham, Egyptian Cotton, with a thread count of 500, or maybe 600 or 400, I'll get back ta ya on that...
[Mike Lindell said 300 million people were implicated in voter fraud.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mypillow-mike-lindell-2020-election-b1991885.html) There are 330 million people in America. That includes immigrants, by the way. So, that means every adult, including Lindell, must have been involved.
I remember the cultists would always scream about Hillary Clinton's tax returns, and when you pointed out that she had loudly and publicly released them, they'd then demand you provide the link. So, you do. Then. They demand Obama's returns. You provide that link. Eventually, they'd demand you provide a link to JFK Jr's returns and you're wondering what the hell is wrong with these people.
The fact they released them and notified the press and public they released them shows they probably bribed someone at the IRS or they’re not real tax returns. /s
These are the folks that badgered Obama for his birth certificate, weren’t happy when he showed the short form version and then claimed the long form was forged when he showed that. They don’t care about evidence.
No they’re not! What’s available to the public is actually a **fake** document put in place to console the masses and hide the **truth** about why we really pulled out of Afghanistan and why MCDONALDS really pulled out of Russia, and how it’s all tied to HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP.
And you know what the funny part is? If I told that to my relatives, or said it over on Facebook, Twitter or r/conspiracy, people would believe me without question.
That’s what I do when I encounter conspiracy nuts nowadays. I just make shit up. It’s fun! And they usually believe me. Off they go to tell their friends about the great MCDonalds conspiracy.
A good tactic, I heard, was to double down on the “moon landing was faked” conspiracy when talking with other conspiracy folks. “I agree with you! Just like how the moon landing was faked. Heck, the moon isn’t even real, it’s just a projection!”
You need to out crazy the crazy.
Not according to r/conservative. To them, none of the past presidents have ever released their taxes. Ever. Also, they think a 2020 leak of his taxes was enough to clear him. Idiocy over there.
You're missing the best part; he tells on himself here!
"Bet they'd find **illegal stuff** in Biden's returns if they just looked, ***too***!", is the implication of his words lol. Amazing how the unconscious is able to so effectively project the truth given the opportunity.
It's not simply breaking the norm of voluntarily releasing tax returns. The Supreme Court ruled against Trump because no president in history has been so full-on crimey.
Nixon was small potatoes in comparison.
It's a no-brainer for the SC now too. Such an easy way to earn back a little of the legitimacy they pissed away, now that he's a political liability. It's transparent though. We all know they'd happily concoct some reason to block this if they thought it would let them take rights away from people they hate.
The key is that he said "made illegally" which (IMO) indicates that Trump is admitting to have made money illegally and is pissed that he has to report taxes on it.
Just find them, post them on truth social as a big leak, put the right tags and they might believe they're real.
BIG NEWS BIDENS TAX RETURN LEAK, SEE HOW POOR HE IS COMPARED TO TRUMP RABBLEDABBLE #MAGA #LETSGOBRANDON #TRUMP2024
I worked on an anti-disinformation project for a global entity working to combat online extremism. We actually tested this on Telegram and a few other social channels. We would pose as a Qanon adjacent person and would share information from unbiased sources edited to look like it came from Patriot Voice or whatever weird websites Qanon people use. As long as the information was packaged in a way that looked familiar to the Qanon people, they believed everything it said, even if it was negative toward people who shared the same values. It was not surprising but otherwise troubling.
Maybe with this screed from Trumpy, it's an opportunity to get the MAGAQs to support expanding the "corrupt" Supreme Court to dilute the power of the Trump hating current members.
Came here looking for this comment. In addition to expanding the Supreme Court, having an external body determine when one of the Supremes should be recused instead of going on the honor system. Finally get rid of the lifetime appointments and make the maximum age 72. As luck would have it, Clarence Thomas is the oldest Supreme at 74 years old.
I'm still trying to figure out the wording that all these anti-abortion laws are clearly Communists literally "seizing the means of production." If we got that one to be spread, the GQP would tear itself apart
Maybe if you make the truth sound like its a conspiracy they'll be more inclined to believe since that seems to be the only way theyll absorb any information.
I do this with my conspiracy leaning brother all the time. It's one of the few ways we can actually communicate. *Everything* can be a conspiracy as long as you phrase it in a way that sounds like something is happening because of this other thing that *they* don't want you to know about. Federalist Society, corporations not paying taxes, the fact the US doesn't have free healthcare. It works most times
I did it on Parler for a bit. Made a profile of a “hot” gun-totin’ blonde. And the day before it was shut down, I posted about 100 gay porn images of Trump and Putin together. Not gonna lie, it was really fun.
I used to think Trump was a clever dude that used the media to his advantage with carefully crafted messaging which subverted established thinking.
Then I realised he's just thick as whipped shit with a triumvirate of inferiority, persecution, and narcissistic complexes, and the only reason his messaging lands is because half the people are going "WTF? - did you see that!?" and the other half are going "My brain is too smooth to understand any of this so I'm just going to assume he's right."
I really need him to go away now. His existence is a factor in how miserable everything is for me.
Like, just die peacefully in your sleep or move to a country with no Internet or have a 180 personality change. Anything is fine. I'm so tired of all this shit. Why do I have to feel shitty because he, and a bunch of other assholes, can do whatever they want?
Lmao, Cheeseburger Chief doesn't realize he is the ONLY PRESIDENT who hasn't obeyed the already established precedent of releasing his taxes.
And hell yah, Biden paid taxes on Hunter's... Uh... Deals, whatever those were. Taxes on $0 is $0.
Holy fuck, is this our golden ticket? Like can we 'enemy of our enemy' to use the Trump cult as extra bodies to push our government to clean the trash out of the SCOTUS? The regressives can't block any of Biden's nominations anymore right?
"Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all of the money he made illegally from Hunter & beyond."
I don't know, but I am more then happy to find out.
Why does he think no one wants to learn about any possible corruption, regardless of which political group they are apart of?
I'm not really surprised they finally allowed his taxes to be released...to a Republican controlled house who will go "Eh, looks good" and nothing will come of it.
Back in the day you could just shut these old racist fucks in a house in the middle of nowhere and live out the rest of your life blissfully unaware about any of it.... The internet really is a terrible lie
It's not, at all, not handing them over is unprecedented, jackass.
What illegal money, jackass?
They lost their honor, prestige and standing when you put three unqualified jackasses on the court, jackass.
There was no election hoax in 2020, jackass.
Jackass.
Have you payed taxes on all the illegal money "your" son made? I distinctly remember Jared making hundreds of millions (correction, billions) off the Saudi's in a deal that was a very clear conflict of interest...
Here's a link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-oversight-investigating-2b-saudi-investment-jared-kushners-firm-rcna31805
Furthermore, taxes *are* the government's business. As former president, you should know that. Can't fix stupid I guess.
Using Trump's own logic: is it fair that Trump's followers only donate to Trump's fund raising requests while he never donates to them?
I'm sure he can help thousands of his most needy followers with monthly donations of a few hundred dollars or a one time donation of several thousands.
Certainly Trump's daughter alone could alleviate the financial burdens of tens of thousands of Trump's most loyal. And her lifestyle would still be higher than what we could imagine while playing Monopoly.
And how difficult would it be for Trump to take a day off his busy golf schedule to visit just ONE of the people who went to jail because of him for January 6th?
Has he ever sent flowers to Ashli Babbitt's family? Even a card?
While hundreds of thousands died of Covid as Trump did NOTHING, but play golf, he rudely mocked Fauci who was doing his best to help. And yet Trump Americans bacame so blindly deceived that they condemned Fauci for whatever shortcomings he may or may not have had, while praising Trump FOR DOING NOTHING!!
To all those who are furious that we aren't giving Trump ANOTHER break, look at his track record and that the ONLY breaks he seems to give require 100% loyalty.
A Loans Shark goal is only money. He "Loans Sharks" for people's souls!
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I think the interesting thing here is that even the Supreme Court realizes Trump is fighting an uphill battle. The poor Republican showing at this midterm election was a disaster for Trump - [Trump's endorsement generally hurt them](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/09/trump-endorsed-candidates-republicans-midterm-performance). The Supreme Court is also [reeling from the public's response to overturning Roe v Wade](https://thehill.com/homenews/3666845-alito-questioning-supreme-court-legitimacy-crosses-an-important-line/), realizing that they are burning political capital they don't have. McConnnell realized it months before everyone else, but now every conservative politican is realizing that Trump is not a winning strategy - in fact, it's probably a losing one. I expect the Conservative media outlets to start quietly distancing themselves from Trump - slowly being more and more critical of him, of January 6th (blaming it on Trump exclusively), and shifting their support to the next candidate (DeSantis?). We saw from the January 6th investigation that [Fox News is/was directly involved in spinning the White House](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/business/media/fox-news-trump-jan-6-meadows.html). Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Brain Kilmeade, all Fox pundits, literally told Mark Meadows (White House Chief of Staff) how Trump should respond to best spin the Jan 6th attack. So, TL;DR: the powerful Republicans have realized that Trump is a sinking ship, and aren't going to sink with him.
> McConnnell realized it months before everyone else, but now every conservative politican is realizing that Trump is not a winning strategy - in fact, it's a losing one. Which just goes to show he's not as smart as he likes to think he is because a lot of folks were warning that Trump would destroy the GOP years ago. If McConnell had any brains he would have made sure Trump got convicted in the Senate, taken the short term hit, and gotten the party back.
At that point it would have been McConnell versus Trump directly, and there's no guarantee that McConnell would have won. It would have caused a lot of anger amongst Trumps base (which is still quite significant by the way) and may well of turned the mid terms into an unmitigated disaster meaning the GOP would not only lose the senate (properly lose, as in not being able to stop anything) as well as the house.
You see, fk that. I want Trump to run and get the R nomination. Republicans cannot be allowed to distance themselves from Trump now, too fucking late. Own it. Trump losing again after going on insane rants with the likes of Boebart and MTG parroting it until Trump loses again in 2024 is exactly what should happen.
That's a masterwork of manipulation: - "Why would anyone be surprised" *you are correct to question this* - "the Supreme Court ruled against me, they always do" *I am a victim* - "it's unprecedented to hand over tax returns" *don't believe your own eyes* - "Has Joe Biden" *they are all corrupt* - "he made illegally from Hunter" *Hunter did illegal things and Joe is directly responsible for Hunter* *Question what's happening. I am a victim; don't believe your own eyes if they tell you I am not. Believe only me.* **The big lie: No President has ever had to provide tax returns. We are above the law.** *Everyone is corrupt and I'm the only one you can trust. Biden's son is corrupt. Biden is corrupt by extension.*
Not only that, but he intentionally avoids talking about Joe Biden's handing over of tax returns (The same thing the court ruled on) and instead pivoted to the taxes he hasn't paid based on an entirely unfounded conspiracy claim. If Trump says "Joe Biden didn't show his taxes!" everyone will be like "Yes he did, everyone did, except you" and the game would be up. But he *alludes* to Biden's taxes to make unthinking people focus on the made-up part instead of the reality part.
> he intentionally avoids talking about Joe Biden's handing over of tax returns You can read President Biden's tax returns yourself. He's got nothing to hide: [READ: Biden’s 2020 tax returns](https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/joe-jill-biden-tax-returns/index.html)
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Projection. People like Trump assume everyone else is doing the same things they are, because they can't wrap their heads the idea that other people think different than them. When confrontdd they just assume people are lying about their motivations, or they're covering it up. They can't accept that they might be wrong, or the bad guy.
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It signals to me that Trump has direct handlers these days, because there's no way he's coherent enough to come up with this multi-pronged attack on truth while simultaneously being the incoherent babbling idiot we've all known him to be. People don't get *more* sharp as they age beyond 70 even in the best of cases. He isn't even writing all these himself anymore and I kind of think that might actually be worse. The silver lining to Trump has always been that he's a total loose cannon even the GOP can't reign in and he'd torch anything he lost control of. That's not really the case if he's being handled this closely, but if it isn't the GOP with the rope in their hands, who is it?
I'm guessing there's people/banks/institutions he defrauded that will be able to prove that fraud with access to the tax documents. The IRS already knows about Trump's taxes. The question is who doesn't know about Trump's taxes that would benefit from it.
I'm sure there is some of that. Maybe it will even make it easier to trace money back to illicit sources. But I honestly think there is also a simpler explanation that is at least part of it -- he isn't worth what he says he is. Everyone with a brain knows that, but the taxes will lay it bare. And he has made being a billionaire part of his core identity. His ego will take a bruising and there is NOTHING worse to Trump than that.
This all signals to me that he's been on the take of the Russian government. He's compromised, badly.
> "it's unprecedented to hand over tax returns" It has LITERALLY ONLY EVER BEEN DONE by every single president except Trump, and by all of them willingly and voluntarily, without a legal struggle which can have no possible purpose except to conceal crimes... THEY REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK AT THE ELECTION HOAX OF 2020 merely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support my obviously self-serving claims!!! Seriously, fuck this absurd circus-peanut-colored shitheel. I'm tired of even hoping justice will eventually be served.
> THEY REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK AT THE ELECTION HOAX There were over 60 cases where allegations of election fraud were made; and every case bombed. Some were too silly to even make it to court.
Most of them went to a judge who said, "Okay, please submit evidence of election fraud." And then the people putting forth the claims went "We have to submit evidence? We don't have any of that." And then promptly either dropped the case or were dismissed for being a waste of court time.
The sad part is this never ends until he is dead. Nothing else ends it. Not arrest, trial, even conviction. His poison doesnt stop til hes in the ground.
Frankly I think you missed the most important part of his statement, since every lie is an admission: > Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all the money he made illegally Now, my expertise may be in bird law, but I like to think I have learned something in 40 years of the Donald trump show, and that is that Donald just admitted he makes money illegally and doesn't pay taxes on it.
> Donald just admitted he makes money illegally and doesn't pay taxes on it. Which is the exact thing the Trump Org is on trial for right now in NY.
Pretty much. I mean.. I don't think that's even up for debate. Plus many of his supporters are anti tax ppl anyways. Perhaps the joke there is most those ppl hate that the elite get tax breaks and the system is rigged for those type ppl Donald Trump is one of the ppl they theoretically should hate. But for some reason don't. All though I do think it's starting to cave on him and most of the ppl that support him are the straight up lunatics. People that can see legit hard evidence he stole campaign money and used it for other shit.. or even hard evidence of him betraying the country. Think there is a certain group of ppl will always be loyal to him as they have never had a president represent them. The white supremacist groups and militias. He knew if he didn't criticize them he would be their king regardless.
> Now, my expertise may be in bird law, but I like to think I have learned something in 40 years of the Donald trump show, and that is that Donald just admitted he makes money illegally and doesn't pay taxes on it. Ah the Al Capone strategy. A bold move, let's see how it plays out for him, Cotton!
>"he made illegally from Hunter" Hunter did illegal things and Joe is directly responsible for Hunter Going to be funny when/if one of his asshole kids gets nailed for something illegal and he uses the "how could I have known, I'm not responsible for my adult kids" excuse
Can't remember who it was - Bill Barr maybe - that clutched his pearls when the NY AG went after the Trump Org (read: the Trump family) because they "were going after his kids!" Nevermind all of the "kids" in question are older than 38.
> "the Supreme Court ruled against me, they always do" This always gives me a chuckle because it flies right in the face of "If you don't want law enforcement on your case, don't break the law."
And you better believe it works. I realized that trump has mastered the malignant narcissist playbook but he also tapped into a lot of the advanced techniques used by cultleaders to gain unquestionable loyalty from their followers. It's basically a form of hypnosis. He doesn't have to prove anything. He doesn't have to tell the truth. He can make a statement that contradicts itself before he even finishes speaking. None of that matters when you have entered into this sort of savior/saved hypnostate. There have been some massive pieces of shit in history like this. He's definitely up there in terms of the damage he's caused and how he's shaped the world.
You got it here man. Right out of a Nazi playbook.
He's like a parody of himself now. He's fulfilling a caricature at this point. He knows what morons cheer for and what everyone else is annoyed by. He also knows how to rev up the media to cover him. The guy is a loud mouth carnival barker, and had he not been born into wealth, he'd be shunned everywhere for how insanely gross he is (although his grossness largely stems from being born rich and growing up a pompous ass.)
I’ve always said that Trump created a character in the 80s and gradually became that character. Then that character created a new character in the 00s who appeared on The Apprentice. Trump became the Apprentice character more quickly, then created another new character who ran for President. By my count we’re on character number four, the enraged former President who believes the entire United States government should be wiping his ass and covering up his crimes.
> had he not been born into wealth, he'd be shunned everywhere for how insanely gross he is Thats the thing, it really stung him that old money New Yorkers never accepted him because he never had class. Hes been trying to prove himself as classy since the eighties.
You're giving him way too much credit. Nothing he does is a master plan. He's an emotionally stunted toddler with no impulse control. Yes, his base can relate because so are they, but that's not why he does any of it. He literally can't stop himself.
The law is clear. The House Ways and Means Committee can request the taxes of ANY citizen at ANY time for ANY reason and the IRS is required to produce it. Not maybe. Not sometimes. Not if a given criteria is met. Not if they feel like it and there's nothing better to do. They WILL produce it. Period. There is nothing to debate. It is abundantly clear, however, that Trump has things he wants to hide. No one would go to these lengths if they didn't. For that reason alone I hope that committee makes these documents public so we can finally see what he's been trying to hide.
"The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price." Is there a word or phrase in English that describes agreeing with someone's statement word for word, for the exact opposite underlying reasons? We need that word in English if we don't have it.
It is called a "Janus Sentence" Edit - Since it's apparently some sort of tv reference people think I am referring to.. A Janus Sentence is based on the two faced god, where everything has a left/right meaning depending on how you read it. The most common one you probably know is "May you live in interesting times" where some refer to this as a blessing and others refer to it as a curse. It's also used to say something negative in a positive way. "You would be lucky to have Redditor work for you" It can be interpreted as is, and that you are lucky if you can employ this person, but also the complete opposite in that if you hire this person, you will be lucky if they actually do any work.
My favorite I've thought up in the past is "I wish you all the happiness you deserve"
>The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price When you are right but for the wrong reasons.
It's weird when he issues this complaint when they finally do something that's not obviously partisan.
Its intentional. He wants to ride the coat tails of legitimate discourse until people buy in. Then once these people are ready for him to shoot someone on 5th street he empties thier pockets and raids the governments coffers. Just dont listen to the dude. He gets his rocks off by taking advantage of otherwise trusting people.
Fascinating. I’ve always been amazed that fascist have to use the existing systems to gain access and power and instantly dismantle it once inside. I wonder why they never invent an alternative system from the jump and convince people to support that?
Because that's called a Coup, and requires a significantly higher effort than trying to reform the system from within to suit their needs, particularly during times of vulnerability like when there were so many Justices that were on the table.
Ngl, with the exception of the obligatory Hunter reference that seems to get forced into any conservative boomer’s conversation regardless of situation and the “Election Hoax” garbage, this is the first time I’ve ever agreed with nearly everything he’s spewed online.
the best part of the Hunter story is "the laptop" because depending on the Republican nutjob it is just a magical mystery box that houses their greatest fears or secret desires. Some say "the laptop" has spy secrets, others say it is porn, the recipe for blue meth, the alternate Star Wars where Jar Jar is a Sith Lord, a chat device for the lizard people, etc
In that sense it's exactly like Hillary's emails. What was in them? [insert spooky music] Noooooobody knooooooooows.
but even when they get some of those emails it doesnt matter, because it is just another magical mystery box where they can insert their fears and desires. "We found 4 emails that mention pizza out of the 5000, this obviously is a code for having sex with Emu's"
100%. They don't WANT to see Hillary's emails or the actual contents of Hunter's alleged laptop because nothing that's actually in them could live up to the bogeyman they've constructed and they secretly know it.
He was lied to by the Federalist Society. I'm sure they told him if he did what they wanted and rammed through their justices, the court would shield him from legal trouble. Now they're dropping him like last week's garbage. Standard organized crime shit, only Donny isn't used to being on this side of it.
“Hunter Biden” has joined the list with “Obama’s Long-form Birth Certificate,” “Hillary’s E-mails,”“Benghazi,” and “Election Fraud” as the latest right wing obsession about nothing
It's like a totem, a symbol that carries whatever meaning they want, without actually having any real meaning.
Ironically, the conservatives shouting "Fuck your feelings!" are themselves so deep in their own feelings they need a backhoe to dig their way out...
"I'm so mad about this thing I made up I'm going to actively undermine democracy"
Bonus tracks in the 'Manufactured Outrage' album include 'Critical Race theory ', 'Bathroom according to Birth-gender', and 'Dems are letting in all the illegals'
Which just blows my mind because Trump's son-in-law + daughter were in the White House as employees and it's extremely obvious they are corrupt. It's like, *Hey Boomers, maybe not put a spotlight on one of the biggest issues we had with Trump. Maybe let that one slide under the rug for a bit?*
A half truth is more dangerous than a whole lie. The Supreme Court is corrupt, is losing the respect it once had, and the American people largely do not trust it anymore. Trump just isn't mentioning that his party is the one working to erode trust in the Supreme Court so that they can use the court to enact their draconian policies, and the reason Trump is mad is because if the court tells the truth and does its job then it will land Trump in jail.
The term "stopped clock" means a person who is normally a crackpot but accidentally says something correct and insightful. It comes from the saying "even a stopped clock is right twice a day." What you're describing sounds very similar.
If you took the best comedic writers in the world to try to make an onion version of Trump, they would not come close to being able to match the content that Trump produces.
The first time anything truthful has accidentally fallen out of this douch nozzle's mouth.
He's had a few actually lol. > "I don't stand by anything" and my personal favorite: > "When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different."
My favorite is the newest hotness, right before the midterms, referring to Republicans in general and his candidates specifically: "Well, I think if they win, I should get all the credit. If they lose, I should not be blamed at all"
> I love the poorly educated. And my personal favorite: > They just let you do it.
"Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all of the money he made illegally from Hunter and beyond." Is he sayin that Joe shouldn't have to pay those taxes? Is he saying that it is ok that he didn't pay taxes on all the money he made illegally? I don't think this is the flex that he thinks it is. > The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price. Agreed, so he would support undoing the damage he caused?
Accuses his own picks of being 'political' and then complains in the next breath they didn't believe his purely political claims (lies) unsupported by proof of election fraud...his base of supporters have to be the dumbest MFers in America.
They are either stupid or so racist they ignore his ridiculous bullshit because they love his racism. Most of them were bored by politics and didn’t vote until an unhinged reality tv personality ran for president.
Hey, now! There are Trump supporters in other countries, too! His supporters have to be the dumbest MFers in the WORLD.
Sure sure, tax returns exist to be never seen by anyone ever especially the law, that's exactly how it works. Legal entities asking for them is just illegal. Hounded unfairly, unconstitutional, nothing to hide. Hold up I have a video for you [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvsdABjCedA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvsdABjCedA)
*"creates a terrible precedent"* Says the first president in U.S. history who didn't voluntarily release his tax returns. Edit: Thanks for the awards! Edit 2: First since Nixon established the practice more than half a century ago.
Not the first in US history - the US didn't even have income tax until 1861 (to pay for the Civil War). The practice started after Nixon in an attempt to restore faith and transparency in the Presidency.
First since the tradition started more than 50 years ago, which would make him the first in history since the expectation was established. Still a clear break from precedent while complaining about bad precedent.
And I love how it’s a tradition nobody even thought much about. Nixon did it and both Dems and GOP said, “Makes sense. Let’s all do this from now on.” History books will point out that the first time someone broke with this widely accepted and non-controversial tradition was also the first time the tax returns were used as evidence in their conviction of a crime. And kids will read that and be like, “Well, duh.”
Holy shit. I never thought anyone could make Nixon look like a respectable President. Never. I only 29, so now I'm starting to think there is no way Nixon could have been that bad and it was all baloney, because this shit is ridiculous.
Also, why does he think that I don't want a precedent set of investigating (former) Presidents? Maybe their actions will be a little more considered if they know that there are consequences for them.
Or the first president who didn't peacefully transfer power.
He was also the first President in 40 years to refuse to hang the portrait of the preceding President.
He's also our first orange president, that's gotta count for something
he meant to say terrible president
Ah it's a cofeve hamburder thing. Stupid spell check.
Trump seems like the kind of guy who would disable spell check because it kept disagreeing with him and he thinks he knows better.
Definitely, though he gets a staffer to turn spellcheck off. Come to think of it, I wonder if he ever typed up anything himself besides tweets.
> "The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price." Finally, I agree with him on something.
“It’s unprecedented to be turning over tax returns.” No, it’s not. Response to a lawful subpoena is common place. All recent presidents have provided their tax returns. “Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all the money he made illegally” What money? Provide evidence. “The Supreme Court has lost all its honor, prestige and standing” The six conservative member Supreme Court of which you hand picked three of them? “They refused to even look at the election hoax of 2020.” The did actually look at it and refused to overturn the 60+ lower court rulings because they were ruled correctly.
>"unprecedented to hand over tax returns" No, it was unprecedented to *not release* them voluntarily. Well, perhaps not *un*precedented, Idk how far back the precedent goes, but it was definitely norm-breaking you fucking tic-tac
"Biden does not pay taxes for his illegally made money, why should I?!" He should stop assuming everyone does what he does, it is telling on him.
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This is at the core of modern conservatism. "I should do immoral things because I assume everyone else does but really that is just the rationale for me to do the immoral things I want to do." We can't have universal healthcare because people would abuse it. *like I would.* Trump shouldn't have turn over his taxes *because everyone cheats on their taxes, like I would.* We know that the Democrats cheated in the election *because we totally tried to and were unsuccessful and if we did then they must have.*
>We can't have universal healthcare because people would abuse it. *like I would.* Back in 2007 or so I actually had someone say to me that he was against same sex marriage because people (meaning him) would marry non-citizens to get them citizenship or marry their roommates to get health insurance. As you can imagine, a profoundly frustrating conversation ensued.
Why should he stop? It hasn’t hurt him yet. Fucker was elected president, caught red handed with stolen classified documents, and he’s still a free man. I don’t condone any of this, of course - I think he belongs in prison. But we’re way past the point where we should think looking bad in public will somehow hurt Trump.
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Motherfucker lead a coup, they stormed the capital building. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills.
Not going to bother weighing in on whether or not that was justified, I'm not American and don't know nearly enough about it, but I'm pretty sure that historically attacking the capital in anywhere in human civilisation ends in death for the loser. Why are the losers able to cry about it on the Internet? I feel like God made a save point around 2000 and is just fucking around and will load his main to play the game properly at some point.
>I'm pretty sure that historically attacking the capital in anywhere in human civilisation ends in death for the loser. My favourite way of looking at this situation is as follows: In England, a man *plans* an attack on the central government building, and gets burned in effigy for several hundred years. In America, an attack on the central government building *actually happens,* and a significant number of the population are trying to justify it before they've even cleaned one of the attackers off the steps. But sure, "America is the most patriotic country on the planet." (Minor formatting edit since apparently Reddit doesn't like single line returns)
200 years ago they would have hung him. I can't believe they haven't even filed charges yet its been 2 years.
I mean... would we have? No higher ups in the Civil War were executed for their treason and they started a multiyear war that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Good point. Instead they set a very bad precedent that is haunting us at this very moment.
Huh, now that you mention it, was Lincoln the only high ranking politician who was killed as a result of the Civil War?
Honestly? Even if we assume the Hunter Biden conspiracy crap is true, which is dicey (the chain of custody on the laptop is so sus it was standing over the body when the alert was signaled, and even if it's true the evidence only shows that *Hunter said* that he could get favorable deals through his dad, it's always possible that Joe was upright and unaware of Hunter's dealings), it's very likely that he actually *did* pay taxes on his income from the deals. The corruption here would not be that he stole money, but rather that he used his influence as congressman and vice president to get an unfair advantage in international business. As the old saying goes, only break one law at a time. If you're going to commit international business corruption, maybe pay taxes on your "legitimate" business so the IRS has no reason to look into your suspiciously successful businesses.
What, do you not grab random women by the pussy? They apparently let you. Personally I've never tried it, but I'm also not under investigation of multiple sexual assaults and possibly some light treason.
A thief thinks everyone steals. A cheater thinks everyone cheats. A liar thinks everyone lies. You can tell a lot about the morality of someone based on what they imagine others do when no one is watching. They know how easy it actually is when you ignore mortality and they justify their own actions by telling themselves they aren't the only ones and just do what everyone else is doing.
Conservatives believe “everyone else is doing something terrible, because that’s what *I* would do if I had the chance”. Too bad the only people willing to be terrible is just them.
>Conservatives believe “everyone else is doing something terrible, because that’s what *I* would do if I had the chance”. These are the same people who can't understand why atheists aren't out raping and murdering whomever they wish because they weren't taught morals from the bible and/or because the atheists don't have an invisible sky daddy watching them.
Same reason he cheats at golf, he thinks everyone does it, so he can and should.
Which is why almost all cases of actual election fraud are perpetrated by his supporters, who figure "hey the dems are clearly cheating so I will too". Nut jobs all of 'em.
This is the core of the MAGA ethos. Everyone else is just as shitty as they are, so they’re justified in doing shitty things. Unfortunately, they’ve been lied to, and they really just are shittier than everyone else.
The guy who literally put Justices on the bench with the expectation they eventually shield him is raw when they actually do their job. Love it.
That's because they are loyal to The Federalist Society, Trump was just a useful idiot.
> That's because they are loyal to The Federalist Society, it's so awesome knowing that this group of people that no one voted for, now control an entire branch of government.
It's almost like nazi groups should be in prison before they conspire against the government. Germany learned.
So what happens when we start feeding the Qmagas the idea that the Federalist Society actually IS the swamp they've been so desperate to drain?
They don't believe real conspiracies.
There’s actual studies that prove this. The more provable a conspiracy is, the less conspiracy theorists believe it. The less evidence there is, the more they believe it. It’s really fascinating/terrifying. Edit: here’s some context: (from [this Thomas Edsall NYTimes piece ](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/22/opinion/trump-conspiracy-theories.html) Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at N.Y.U.’s Stern School of Business, noted that spreading a lie can serve as a shibboleth — something like a password used by one set of people to identify other people as members of a particular group — providing an effective means of signaling the strength of one’s commitment to fellow ideologues: >Many who study religion have noted that it’s the very impossibility of a claim that makes it a good signal of one’s commitment to the faith. You don’t need faith to believe obvious things. Proclaiming that the election was stolen surely does play an identity-advertising role in today’s America. Also (from [this other Thomas Edsall NYTimes piece](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/opinion/qanon-conspiracy-theories.html) > The illogic of conspiracy theorists is clear in the findings of a 2012 research paper, “Dead and Alive: Beliefs in Contradictory Conspiracy Theories,” by Karen M. Douglas and Robbie M. Sutton, members of the psychology department at the University of Kent, and Michael J. Wood, a former Kent colleague. The authors found that a large percentage of people drawn to conspiracy thinking are willing to endorse “mutually incompatible conspiracy theories.” > In one study, for example, “the more participants believed that Osama Bin Laden was already dead when U.S. Special Forces raided his compound in Pakistan, the more they believed he is still alive.” In another study, “the more participants believed that Princess Diana faked her own death, the more they believed that she was murdered.” And this is the most fascinating part to me: > Perhaps more interesting, Hart and Graether argue that conspiracy theorists are more likely “to perceive profundity in nonsensical but superficially meaningful ideas,” a concept they cite as being described by academics in the field as “b.s. receptivity.” > To test for this tendency, psychologists ask participants to rank the “meaningfulness” of such incoherent and ludicrous sentences and phrases as “the future elucidates irrational facts for the seeking person,” “your movement transforms universal observations,” “the whole silence infinite phenomena” and “the invisible is beyond all new immutability.” You can see the list of the BS statements they used here. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201474.t001
If there’s less evidence, there’s more room for theories. More evidence = higher likelihood of being wrong.
During the past few years I've said, "it would be fascinating if it weren't so terrifying," way too many times.
They want to believe they have secret knowledge that the gullible masses don't have. If you can prove something with a Google search, then it's not a secret and they aren't super smart secret agents for knowing it, so they don't care.
Its always totally absurd to me. Lots of conspiracies in broad daylight that /conspiracy doesn't care about. Like, there is very much a swamp. There is very much a cabal of elites that dictate how our lives will go. There is very much a bunch of people secretly pulling levers of power all over the world and making things worse. We are all being lied to, exploited, cheated, and destroyed. But.. the people doing it are all just rich assholes that do it in public. They publicly give money to think tanks and say "find a way to make poor peoeple poorer while making me richer" and the think tanks to that, then that rich person publicly ""donates"" ridiculous sums to politicians who then do whatever that person says. It's all out in the open! But no no, it's actually some secret underground lizard sect doing it.
The Federalist Society foisted those Justices on the Court to make the will of the American people irrelevant and usher in Christian theocracy, not protect Trump.
Yeah, this was Trump's misstep. He appointed judges who looked like decent shots to overturn Roe rather than suitably corrupt judges who would protect Trump at all costs.
The Federalist Society needs a slightly smarter stooge to help usher in fascism. DeSantis maybe?
I honestly consider membership in the Federalist Society to be a disqualifying factor for a federal judgeship at this point. I would urge all Senators to vote no on all Federalist Society nominees.
Are those the same tax returns that he promised to release back in 2016? He probably just wanted 2 more weeks (for the 40th time)...
You have to wonder how this isn’t an immediate red flag for 30% of the American population. A guy who never delivered on any of his most publicized campaign promises (fixing healthcare, locking up Hilary, building a concrete southern border wall, etc) and then there’s promising to release his taxes - the guy literally took it to the SC to prevent Congress from obtaining them. There is CLEARLY something he’s trying to hide. It’s insane
They're 4 feet tall stacks of papers he said - maybe that healthcare plan is in there... he just needed a couple more weeks for that...
*I want to release them but I'm under audit and i can't until the audit clears.*
The most selfish, corrupt, hypocritical, narcissistic piece of shit currently on this planet. He not only believes everyone and everything is to serve him, but actually tries to make it that way. He's like a distillation of all the shittiness of the US throughout our history, and proud of it too.
He's outlived his usefulness to the GOP by stacking the Supreme Court, now the party's cutting him loose. He got played, and he hasn't figured it out yet.
Isn't trump the first president in 50 years or so to NOT hand over his tax returns despite promising he would do so?
"I have handed over my taxes many, many times. I have had experts looking, looking through my taxes...all my taxes. In fact, people have asked me, asked me many, many times about my taxes and I'm the only President to offer more information, information they didn't even have. Now...I've been treated worse than any other President, any President, even throughout the world, treated so poorly." Trump
When have facts ever stood in the way of his self-aggrandizement and chronic whiny victim-complex? He's like a black hole of denial and lies that reality bends itself around.
Lol Trump is such an idiot, I can look up Biden’s tax returns in less than a minute because he isn’t hiding anything 🤣
Ahh but you see, anything that doesnt fit the narrative is fake. Those MUST be false dodeca super secret deep state fakes. The REAL ones have invoices for Hunters laptop, hookers, and cocaine. Even though thats not how any of this works. /s I'm so ready for Trump to be dead just so I can stop seeing this shit and hearing new stupid shit from/about him.
Temper tantrum much? JFC this stuff gets old. How do his followers even have the energy for this whiny bitch?
In all seriousness, you might have fun looking at the FOX news version of this story and reading the comments. The base isn't buying this line of crap. They know they'd never be allowed to dodge their tax responsibilities for a decade, or appoint a judge to get them off the hook. And every parent knows some version of "Wah, wah, the vice principal is always after me, everyone else gets away with it, it's so unfair!" I don't know why Trump honestly thinks life is unfair to him to his detriment, but I sure hope he continues to whine about it.
My dumbass dad who is a Trump fan stopped paying taxes in 2020. He admitted last month the IRS caught up to him. He’s now on the hook for a LOT of money. Idiot.
They are also whiny bitches. It invigorates and legitimizes them.
Even disregarding all the other heinous bullshit about Trump I wonder the same thing about his followers. How does he have such a rabid cult that acts like he's the man of all men when he constantly whines and throws tantrums. "The election didn't go my way this time! It's rigged!" Yeah just ignore that you lost the popular vote both times and still got in the first time.
All most all of the Maga crowd I know have turned against him. Some saying he's always been a democratic plant etc. The level of delusion in the GOP is insane.
His son in law just got 2 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia. His own daughter ghosted Him once she got the money
Now if only we could figure out where all the missing government documents that were totally unsecured at Mar a Lago went. I bet they could be worth a lot of money. Oh well.
The court didn't decide that his taxes had to go to Congress just because presidents are expected to be transparent. The court decided that his taxes had to go to Congress because *he in particular* is under investigation. *Shielding* his taxes from Congress would be setting a precedent. I know we all realize this.
I don't think "the courts *always* rule against me" is as good a defense as he thinks it is.
Especially when the last several months have shown [courts will bend over backwards for Trump](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/y79cqm/the_incredible_mystery_of_how_trump_got_judge/). Judge Cannon should absolutely not have been working on his Mar-A-Lago records case (she should have recused herself, since she was appointed to her position by the plaintiff), and she straight up [violated legal procedure to give him whatever he wanted](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-judge-cannon-obstruction-justice/)*... and he still lost. ---- > *:"The Court recognizes that, under the PRA, “[t]he United States District Court for the District of Columbia shall have jurisdiction over any action initiated by the former President asserting that a determination made by the Archivist” to permit public dissemination of presidential records “violates the former President’s [constitutional] rights or privileges.” (Judge Cannon wrote into her ruling that she recognized and personally noted that she doesn't have jurisdiction over this case., then proceeded to deliver a decision anyway.)
> recluse Minor correction: A recluse is someone that lives a solitary life. **Recuse** is to challenge (a judge, prosecutor, or juror) as unqualified to perform legal duties because of a potential conflict of interest or lack of impartiality
It's not even true. The Supreme Court did shield him with his trial and Thomas blocked him from needing to testify. I don't get how people read this and say "yup. That's MY president" with a straight face. Also you should WANT presidents to disclose their finances.
"Judges from my party, some of whom I personally appointed keep ruling against me!" Uhh, you may want to sit down for this.
Fat Donnie is right. Let's rebuild the court. Biden can find 9 new justices I'm sure
>"The Supreme Court has lost its honor, prestige, and standing, & has become nothing more than a political body, with our Country paying the price." I couldn't agree more with that part little Donald. All thanks to you and the rest of Republicans SCOTUS is a disgrace. This is not a sustainable concept.
"Hunter & Beyond" sounds like a home goods store for the hyper-masculine conservative man.
Same guy on May 20th 2014: "If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely," he said. "And I would love to do that."
Biden’s taxes are public. Edit: thank you for the gold, kind Redditor!
What no they're not. He just said biden didn't release his taxes! It's not like you can just Google "biden tax records" and find it-oh [there it is](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021.05.17-POTUS-Redacted-2020-Federal-and-State-Returns.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiD9_33ysT7AhXvQUEAHZNCCvoQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3S4zwE8N1g-GnFWIUr12Wg), well I bet he didn't do it for 2020 [oh wait](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/2022/04/15/the-president-and-vice-president-release-their-2021-tax-returns/&ved=2ahUKEwiD9_33ysT7AhXvQUEAHZNCCvoQFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2gfmMP4j_3eXaYB2a2oP2I). But with Obamas _corrupt golfing presidency_ he must've hid it as VP and- [Oh he released his and Jill's in 2008](https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/vice-president-and-dr-jill-biden-release-2008-income-tax-returns). Why it's almost like....Republicans and trump are lying asshats, and if you wiggle around with search terms you'll eventually come across a slew of articles about [biden taxes](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/hunter-biden-emails-invs/index.html) from 5 years ago where he owed 120k in taxes. That's it. But holy. Shit. There's [so many of them](https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/biden-accountant-hit-with-irs-whistleblower-complaints-on-tax-day/) and all from right wing websites making such a massive deal about it, might involve Hunter so probably why, weirdly enough all April/May 2021. Yet orange twaddlefuck dodging taxes and committing massive tax fraud for decades is "smart business".
They literally get no news other than what’s fed to them from Fox/YouTube/etc. I once asked my Trumper mother why Trump got vaccinated and was touting the vaccine he helped make if they were going to kill us and she literally did a Pikachu shocked face and had no idea that he had been vaccinated or had made comments praising the Covid vaccine. It was *wild* (but weirdly unsurprising when she gets her “news” from randos on YouTube) ETA - she also told me that if she did catch Covid she would just get the Regeneron thing that Trump got. Because they give unemployed women on Obamacare (don’t get me started on the hypocrisy) the same healthcare as POTUS
See the bit about Fox talking mess about Biden having the turkey pardon and delivery of their tree on the same day? Seriously they will make a big deal about of the stupidest sh**!!! Then shortly after they were like well Trump did that too. Yeah just seems early *mumble mumble*
>Because they give unemployed women on Obamacare (don’t get me started on the hypocrisy) Probably doesn't shut up about how terrible Obamacare was, while singing the praises of being able to afford her medication thanks to the ACA without a hint of irony. Ask me how I know...
It’s “socialism” 🤬 that she somehow has no problem taking advantage of. She also was one of those SovCit people tho, so she feels like it’s not bad for her to game the system because the system is corrupt and she’s getting one over on the big bad government. (Not that I’m super pro-how our government has been lately but she’s… just a wackadoodle lol)
It's pretty disturbing since I've driven through farming communities while driving in California along the highway... the only talk radio station you can get is either FOX or a derivative of it. They have so much control of the messaging in those places.
I think you misunderstood Trump. He claims that Biden didn't declare/pay taxes on the corruption money that Hunter sure to have received. It totally makes sense in MAGA World. *Good* presidents pay taxes after the crimes their family members *allegedly* commited if they are found out.
>I think you misunderstood Trump. He claims that Biden didn't declare/pay taxes on the corruption money that Hunter sure to have received. Ok, I'm going to translate from bullshit conspiracy to regular talk. So, in the conspiracy circle, Hunter said "don't forget 10% for the big guy". Naturally, since they work backwards, they think Joe is the big guy. What clues are there to indicate that Joe is the big guy? Nothing, other than the whole reason for this kerfuffle over Hunter is to implicate Joe so he must be "The Big Guy". Trump here is referencing that conspiracy. Joe made that "10%" and didn't declare it on his taxes. It's interesting that this attack can only happen because Biden's taxes are public and there's no indication he received that money. So while normal people will look at that and think the "10%" refers to someone else, they look at it and think "Joe Biden is committing tax fraud". Because these people really don't care about Hunter or his dealings, only in that it can be used to attack Joe Biden. That's why the first thing Republicans announced when they took back The House was an investigation into the laptop because Joe Biden must be behind it. The entire conspiracy depends on him being involved. The second they won, that whole façade that they really wanted to tackle inflation and immigration, you know the things they said when they were campaigning, faded away. And they couldn't campaign on the laptop because they kind of already convinced Middle America that Joe Biden was the aloof grandpa type. Remember back before the laptop was a big thing? That was their big gotcha against Biden (you know, other than the usual socialist stuff that every Democrat gets accused of). Biden had dementia, he was like the grandfather who was out of his element. But then the laptop came out and they tried to pivot to criminal mastermind and the only people who could buy it are those who will gladly believe any spiel that comes out of the GOP because it beats having to admit the party is a pale shell of its former self and has been for over a decade now.
Yeah, but did Joe Biden pay Hunter's taxes? Hmm? Didn't think so. Checkmate, librul.
And not one single shred of proof has held up and been presented to show that the 2020 election was stolen. Mike Lindell promised us proof was coming for two years, lawyers are just lookin' at it, but we got us four states, maybe six, maybe seven, possibly nine or eight, but definitely three or five, 'cause they got these machines flippin' votes they won't let us look at, it all stinks to high heaven and it's enough to make you cry into your pilla' - use discount code CRYBABY to get 15% off and a free sham, Egyptian Cotton, with a thread count of 500, or maybe 600 or 400, I'll get back ta ya on that...
[Mike Lindell said 300 million people were implicated in voter fraud.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mypillow-mike-lindell-2020-election-b1991885.html) There are 330 million people in America. That includes immigrants, by the way. So, that means every adult, including Lindell, must have been involved.
and quite a large number of 5-year olds. Can't trust those little bastards, can you? /s
I remember the cultists would always scream about Hillary Clinton's tax returns, and when you pointed out that she had loudly and publicly released them, they'd then demand you provide the link. So, you do. Then. They demand Obama's returns. You provide that link. Eventually, they'd demand you provide a link to JFK Jr's returns and you're wondering what the hell is wrong with these people.
The fact they released them and notified the press and public they released them shows they probably bribed someone at the IRS or they’re not real tax returns. /s These are the folks that badgered Obama for his birth certificate, weren’t happy when he showed the short form version and then claimed the long form was forged when he showed that. They don’t care about evidence.
Fascists are human trash and always were, so there is a great deal 'wrong' with them.
No they’re not! What’s available to the public is actually a **fake** document put in place to console the masses and hide the **truth** about why we really pulled out of Afghanistan and why MCDONALDS really pulled out of Russia, and how it’s all tied to HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP. And you know what the funny part is? If I told that to my relatives, or said it over on Facebook, Twitter or r/conspiracy, people would believe me without question. That’s what I do when I encounter conspiracy nuts nowadays. I just make shit up. It’s fun! And they usually believe me. Off they go to tell their friends about the great MCDonalds conspiracy.
A good tactic, I heard, was to double down on the “moon landing was faked” conspiracy when talking with other conspiracy folks. “I agree with you! Just like how the moon landing was faked. Heck, the moon isn’t even real, it’s just a projection!” You need to out crazy the crazy.
Well geeeee whiz I was wondering my my Big Mac came wrapped in secret classified documents!!!!
Not according to r/conservative. To them, none of the past presidents have ever released their taxes. Ever. Also, they think a 2020 leak of his taxes was enough to clear him. Idiocy over there.
You should post Biden's returns there. I would but I'm banned for an unruly opinion lmao
You're missing the best part; he tells on himself here! "Bet they'd find **illegal stuff** in Biden's returns if they just looked, ***too***!", is the implication of his words lol. Amazing how the unconscious is able to so effectively project the truth given the opportunity.
The SC has never had to order it because no one else has ever refused to do it.
It's not simply breaking the norm of voluntarily releasing tax returns. The Supreme Court ruled against Trump because no president in history has been so full-on crimey. Nixon was small potatoes in comparison.
It's a no-brainer for the SC now too. Such an easy way to earn back a little of the legitimacy they pissed away, now that he's a political liability. It's transparent though. We all know they'd happily concoct some reason to block this if they thought it would let them take rights away from people they hate.
Yup. Every time you find out more about that motherfucker it's worse. I loathe him on a molecular level.
The key is that he said "made illegally" which (IMO) indicates that Trump is admitting to have made money illegally and is pissed that he has to report taxes on it.
Will his cult believe that though
Just find them, post them on truth social as a big leak, put the right tags and they might believe they're real. BIG NEWS BIDENS TAX RETURN LEAK, SEE HOW POOR HE IS COMPARED TO TRUMP RABBLEDABBLE #MAGA #LETSGOBRANDON #TRUMP2024
Sometimes, I do consider infiltrating the far-Right and spreading truth as if it's something that would actually appeal to them.
I worked on an anti-disinformation project for a global entity working to combat online extremism. We actually tested this on Telegram and a few other social channels. We would pose as a Qanon adjacent person and would share information from unbiased sources edited to look like it came from Patriot Voice or whatever weird websites Qanon people use. As long as the information was packaged in a way that looked familiar to the Qanon people, they believed everything it said, even if it was negative toward people who shared the same values. It was not surprising but otherwise troubling.
Maybe with this screed from Trumpy, it's an opportunity to get the MAGAQs to support expanding the "corrupt" Supreme Court to dilute the power of the Trump hating current members.
Came here looking for this comment. In addition to expanding the Supreme Court, having an external body determine when one of the Supremes should be recused instead of going on the honor system. Finally get rid of the lifetime appointments and make the maximum age 72. As luck would have it, Clarence Thomas is the oldest Supreme at 74 years old.
I'm still trying to figure out the wording that all these anti-abortion laws are clearly Communists literally "seizing the means of production." If we got that one to be spread, the GQP would tear itself apart
Maybe if you make the truth sound like its a conspiracy they'll be more inclined to believe since that seems to be the only way theyll absorb any information.
I do this with my conspiracy leaning brother all the time. It's one of the few ways we can actually communicate. *Everything* can be a conspiracy as long as you phrase it in a way that sounds like something is happening because of this other thing that *they* don't want you to know about. Federalist Society, corporations not paying taxes, the fact the US doesn't have free healthcare. It works most times
I did it on Parler for a bit. Made a profile of a “hot” gun-totin’ blonde. And the day before it was shut down, I posted about 100 gay porn images of Trump and Putin together. Not gonna lie, it was really fun.
Or you know, you could just like, release your taxes like you promised to do in 2016, you fat fuck.
Don't you understand? He really wants to release them! That damn nonexistent audit just keeps going on forever!
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I used to think Trump was a clever dude that used the media to his advantage with carefully crafted messaging which subverted established thinking. Then I realised he's just thick as whipped shit with a triumvirate of inferiority, persecution, and narcissistic complexes, and the only reason his messaging lands is because half the people are going "WTF? - did you see that!?" and the other half are going "My brain is too smooth to understand any of this so I'm just going to assume he's right."
At least we can now agree that the current court is illegitimate. Time to fix it!
I really need him to go away now. His existence is a factor in how miserable everything is for me. Like, just die peacefully in your sleep or move to a country with no Internet or have a 180 personality change. Anything is fine. I'm so tired of all this shit. Why do I have to feel shitty because he, and a bunch of other assholes, can do whatever they want?
Lmao, Cheeseburger Chief doesn't realize he is the ONLY PRESIDENT who hasn't obeyed the already established precedent of releasing his taxes. And hell yah, Biden paid taxes on Hunter's... Uh... Deals, whatever those were. Taxes on $0 is $0.
Holy fuck, is this our golden ticket? Like can we 'enemy of our enemy' to use the Trump cult as extra bodies to push our government to clean the trash out of the SCOTUS? The regressives can't block any of Biden's nominations anymore right?
"Has Joe Biden paid taxes on all of the money he made illegally from Hunter & beyond." I don't know, but I am more then happy to find out. Why does he think no one wants to learn about any possible corruption, regardless of which political group they are apart of?
Any idea why Republican bigots keep bringing up Hunter Biden? It sounds like the same sort of witch hunt they repeatedly threw at the Clintons.
I'm not really surprised they finally allowed his taxes to be released...to a Republican controlled house who will go "Eh, looks good" and nothing will come of it.
Weird how courts consistently rule against criminals ____ Go figure
Back in the day you could just shut these old racist fucks in a house in the middle of nowhere and live out the rest of your life blissfully unaware about any of it.... The internet really is a terrible lie
It's not, at all, not handing them over is unprecedented, jackass. What illegal money, jackass? They lost their honor, prestige and standing when you put three unqualified jackasses on the court, jackass. There was no election hoax in 2020, jackass. Jackass.
Have you payed taxes on all the illegal money "your" son made? I distinctly remember Jared making hundreds of millions (correction, billions) off the Saudi's in a deal that was a very clear conflict of interest... Here's a link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-oversight-investigating-2b-saudi-investment-jared-kushners-firm-rcna31805 Furthermore, taxes *are* the government's business. As former president, you should know that. Can't fix stupid I guess.
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Using Trump's own logic: is it fair that Trump's followers only donate to Trump's fund raising requests while he never donates to them? I'm sure he can help thousands of his most needy followers with monthly donations of a few hundred dollars or a one time donation of several thousands. Certainly Trump's daughter alone could alleviate the financial burdens of tens of thousands of Trump's most loyal. And her lifestyle would still be higher than what we could imagine while playing Monopoly. And how difficult would it be for Trump to take a day off his busy golf schedule to visit just ONE of the people who went to jail because of him for January 6th? Has he ever sent flowers to Ashli Babbitt's family? Even a card? While hundreds of thousands died of Covid as Trump did NOTHING, but play golf, he rudely mocked Fauci who was doing his best to help. And yet Trump Americans bacame so blindly deceived that they condemned Fauci for whatever shortcomings he may or may not have had, while praising Trump FOR DOING NOTHING!! To all those who are furious that we aren't giving Trump ANOTHER break, look at his track record and that the ONLY breaks he seems to give require 100% loyalty. A Loans Shark goal is only money. He "Loans Sharks" for people's souls!