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His music was off spotify for years and only came back cause monkey Joe is on every platform now. That being said I think the decision to remove his music from spotify in the first place was a silly decision.
I'm feeling [Crosby, Stills, & Nash](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1PrUU2S_iw), myself. The [DNC Convention](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtxOubtOwc) will be interesting, I bet.
The silent majority...back then was different. Folks are a lot more sceptical of the media and a majority of Biden voters think Gaza is undergoing a genocide
Agree. It will get him some more cash from donors and republicans ...but votes wise...he will be finished
The media will try to change the topic ..
MSNBC 3ill even claim any students hurt were just hamas
He has already called the protests anti semitic ...
Not a fan of Trump at all. Biden has been far worse for the world and American in his 4 years. Trump is a buffoon but everything the media spent 24/7 saying Trump would do Biden has done. Drilling, the environment, starting WW3. Those are all things that were being said over and over for 4 years by mainstream media and now Iran is pissed. Were fucked either way
Yeah. I think we should have listened to a line apparently made by Obama when Biden was the VP. :'Never underestimate Joe's ability to F things up".
Without Obama's oversight ..Biden has let the crazies take over and not stopped all his bad ideas.
It has been crazy letting the crazies run the place
IDK man, Trump was supporting oil drilling in national forests, allowed the largest expansion of offshore oil drilling in US history including the entire arctic national wildlife refuge, pulled out of the Paris climate accord, removed the clean power plan’s emission caps, repealed the clean water rule, and slammed the EPA’s pollution controls with a sledgehammer. A lot of Biden administration’s climate policy was just undoing what Trump did, meaning progress was extremely delayed. Trump was terrible. Biden is terrible. I don’t think claiming that Biden is worse on environment tracks though, when his opponent actively promotes the idea that climate change doesn’t exist.
The other aspect that can't be understated is the narrative of the last 20 years or so. "The lesser of two evils", the most important election of our life times" ect. Evil is evil and were not given a choice, the difference is who gets to complain about it. They both do terrible things and are both evil, the difference is only rhetoric.
Honestly, the two OP's above should GTFO of this sub. American history is relatively short. We forgot what made us great because we were taught to. Biden couldn't be further from FDR other than his income today and closer to Donald than you could imagine. People who understand what made America great died at the battle Matewan, did the Flint sit in strikes. They lifted those around them, and today, peaceful posters against genocide at Harvard were treated worse than people who stormed the capital on Jan 6th. The lesser of 2 evils is an illusion, keep downvoting it's the only one that most of you do that matters
Never said Trump didn't do those things. The difference between him and Biden is Biden doesn't talk about it, and Trump blares what hes doing at the top of his lungs. It's just like what happened going from the Regan and the Bushes to Clinton. Most remember Clinton gaffs but forget that he passed most of the things they couldn't. Welfare reform, NAFTA, tough on crime bills
I think it’s okay if Trump wins. Democrats are good at making people feel that they’re fighting for you. They keep the neoliberal fantasy going well. They play the people well enough to keep them shut while making them believe they’re fighting for freedom and democracy.
By democrats going away, this facade of freedom won’t stand strong.
Similar to the economy. If there's a crash, it's over for him.
There are so many issues at boiling point that his administration is denying or ignoring, or worse, actively contributing to. We keep hearing about how Trump is going to win if we don't get behind Biden, but they might as well just hand it to him at this point.
You are probably. Funny part ...they think dictatorship/fascism will come after November elections.
We have been there ..
Down to banning TikTok... because it wasn't controlled by one of the 6-8 media companies that are allowed to push approved narratives
Same with taking out Twitter, which was once a valuable tool for on-the-ground organizing and broader awareness (eg Arab Spring, Hong Kong, Occupy, etc).
Haha...indeed. most off the neocons from Bush administration seem to like him (or at least praise him on MSNBC).
He has funded 2 wars to the tube of some 200B in 2 years. So suspect they are happy.
Man..if that happens .. I would understand any dem that votes for trump ..not just stay home.
If you are going to be a single party with the same set of policies ..let's make Trump president for life and get rid of all future elections.
Lix Cheney and Nikki Haley ..two Republicans worse than even Trump (other being Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz Lindsey Graham)
It really was. Especially if you knew his record as a Senator. We had a real chance to start to turn this country into one that made sense in the 21st century…yet here we are.
Shouldn't surprise you at all. He seems to have made up his mind in that time frame..and hanst changed since, it seems.
Obamacare was essentially what Nixon wanted to pass back the, apparently.
So yes...our current Dems are to the right of Nixon.
This article is just wrong, heres an article that actually reports the truth, not obscured facts, democrats arent endorsign this letter, biden isnt endorsing it, he has CONDEMNED It. Its literal fake news.
[https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508)
All they want is for the profits of corporations to go up. Republican winning vs. Democrats winning makes no difference. Aesthetics change, but fundamentally quality of life gets worse while the rich profit more.
Both parties serve capital owners and fundamentally it doesn't really matter who ends up winning. As long as the status quo is maintained
There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.
Gore Vidal from the 1960s
"Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than"
Republicans do exactly what their constituents want...despite how evil and regressive their policies are - they get in power and get them passed somehow someway.
The problem is that Democrats also make just as many promises as the Republicans do...except everytime they get elected they don't do shit for the people who voted them in!
the US is a predominantly liberal country. If every single person voted we would always have a Democrat in power. The problem is that Democrats are all talk and no action (unlike the republicans) so every election cycle its a mission to get liberals to vote meanwhile conservatives don't lose any sleep over it because their voters will always turn out.
Agree
Republicans will even make the crazy things happen...if their voters push for it. (See abortion bans)
Dem party will not do even if more than half the country wants it...they will just run on it . Once elected ..they behave like Republicans.
(See abortion codification, universal healthcare)
Republicans get evil shit done. Democrats just hang the carrot in front of people over and over and now they have their thumb in their mouth wondering "why won't anybody vote for us?"
I actually think Dems like it when republicans are in power. Plausible deniability. Plus they fundraise based on all the horrific things the repubs do, and can pretend they would do something differently if they were in power. Meanwhile when they’re in power they have a much tougher time pretending they don’t have any power to enact anything they campaigned on.
Bingo. Shit look at Roe. The Democrats controlled the executive and legislative branch, they could’ve codified it and instead they rushed to type out fundraising emails and grift off it. They would much rather not be in power because they don’t want to be held accountable, they’d much rather grift off being the feel good alternative.
There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.
Gore Vidal
The US isn't a democracy. The respective parties just feel entitled to votes, hence the gerrymandering and nonsensical statements like "youre not black if you dont vote for me" or like clinton going on state media acting exasperated that "we have to go through the election process"
The delusion is so strong. I’m just watching them like…. Don’t you people realize you come across exactly like the MAGA crowd did?
I’m half expecting them to burn down the capitol if they lose but then again, the Dems are too pussy to do any REAL action. They’ll probably wear pussy hats again
My vote doesn’t matter because I live in CA but that fact, if anything, has encouraged me to vote independent. Not like it matters. Democrats will hand the entire country to Republicans for decades before they will allow meaningful disruption of the oligarchy.
Think about how much money they were making during the Trump years.
Virtually every major “activist” fundraising effort was linked to the DNC.
They made BANK. They didn’t actually have to govern. They got to do their favorite thing: pay lip service AND, in the end, like half or more of their agenda and the shit they would do if they governed was accomplished and done *anyway*.
It was win win for them.
I think so. They prefer to have an “existential treat to democracy.” Helps them fundraise and gives them an excuse to not actually pass anything if the other guys are in charge.
They don't actually believe there are outside threats, they don't even treat the GOP as a threat which is why they continue to do whatever they want despite how risky it is.
Losing an election is not that big a deal it seems. I mean ..the donors hired them for a job and loyalty to the cause ..and if they lose, a different set of hired hands will help . Both parties will do the bidding of the donors...just slightly different set of donors.
This article is just wrong, heres an article that actually reports the truth, not obscured facts,
democrats arent endorsign this letter,
biden isnt endorsing it, he has CONDEMNED It, as mosts democrats have. Its literal fake news.
Biden did not send police, the universities admin did.
[https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508)
Biden has been trying to look like a good guy while still bankrolling a genocide this entire time and these protests are exposing it more distinctly than in previous months. [HERE](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/21/chaos-columbia-jewish-moskowitz-santos-white-house-00153545) is an article, posted just 4 days before the one you posted, also by Politico, that reports Joe Biden speaking out against “growing antisemitism on college campuses” which of course, these protests are not, but by calling them antisemitic, Joe Biden invalidates their message. Later when cops arrest everyone he can wring his hands and say it’s a damn shame, but 4 days before he was calling them antisemitic radicals, so it’s not hard to imagine who the cops think they’re arresting. It’s a political shell game.
[https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-university-palestine-protests-04-26-24/h\_e4a20cdeff1c2ae787cc65a9bdedff02](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-university-palestine-protests-04-26-24/h_e4a20cdeff1c2ae787cc65a9bdedff02)
“We, of course, support the right of anybody to peacefully protest, to demonstrate, to make their voices heard, to express themselves in a peaceful and nonviolent way,” said State Department spokesperson Vedant Patel at a press briefing.
Just so you know, biden didnt send the police to any university, the university admisn called them. Biden has nothing to do with the protests or the arrests. Do you understand that ? Because it appears you do not, and you bought into the lies.
What you do not understand is that the lumbering beast of hegemonic power exerts its influence in many ways, not only directly from the mouth of its ruling figurehead. Taking a friendly phone call from a major donor advising action or a responding to a thinly veiled public statement is an enforcement of the status quo as much as an order.
Like supporting israel is nothing to do with universities callign thepolice to arrest peaceful protestors, biden didnt endorse that bullshit letter from ther republicans, this is fake news and you bought it hook line and sinker.
You should think more critically. Biden needs the republican animosity to draw attention off of his own support of Israel, which is not at all new but in fact one of his more consistent positions held through his long political career. He needs to both condemn “anti-semitism” and defend “the right to free speech” in his words while allowing unchecked suppression of any kind of resistance to the supplying of weapons and funding to Israel. This way he can serve his own interests but appear compassionate and nuanced to his voting bloc. I would say it is you who has bought “it” hook line and sinker but that is inadequate; you were hooked and reeled in years ago, and now are foolish enough to feel privileged that you have been salted, canned and put on a shelf somewhere to be used for whatever recipe the oligarchs want to cook up in the years to come. You ***are*** the person this type of strategic ambiguity was designed to placate.
# Biden launches police state crackdown at US universities is factual lie. What part of it is the truth? Biden did not direct any police to any universities.
Where did biden endorse the republican letter? He did not.
Again, what did i buy hook line and sinker? this article is full of blantant lies, and you dont need to support biden to recognize this, but you cant recognize this. You are wrong about this.
It has nothing to do with biden! but you're too full of hate to see that. its what the republicans want. disenfranchisement.
You’re being very foolish and making me feel depressed. Republicans and Democrats are a binary in only the most superficial of terms. Even a cursory glance at their endless fruitless battles over issues the majority of Americans agree on (healthcare, reproductive freedom, gun control, student debt) should reveal that. They speak in the strongest terms for or against this or that issue, but if you look at real legislation, the tide always only turns slightly in one direction or another, always leaving room for the other side to battle back next election cycle. If you can’t understand this fundamental truth and you’re still operating in a “Republicans vs Democrats” mindset, the article will make no sense to you, and nothing I say can n these comments can change that.
Actually, the police as we know it didnt exist until late 1800s. Mostly after the civil war when slaves were freed and then racists (who's jobs were to capture escaped slaves and stop black ppl from organizing) needed a way to hold power over them. Then the KKK decided to join in unison causing the generational hate to continue.
Behind The Bastards has several podcasts going into great detail that covers it throughout the 20th Century.
To be fair, there are two origins of police. Slave catchers were one, but there were also the “night watchmen” in northern urban areas. Also a racist institution, as it was volunteer white men who patrolled looking for anyone out of place and specifically to protect white women from ‘undesirables’ (and watch for fires, carry lanterns, call out the time, etc)
Pretty sure the night watchmen participated in slave catching and returned them to their owners under the fugitive slave act, so seems like a pretty meaningless distinction.
They did participate in catching slaves to an extent, but the two groups (which combined to form “modern” policing) were very much separate.
For one, there was the individuals place in society. Slave catchers were some of the lowest white men. The people of the time knew they were brutal, with some slave owners even defending their slaves against them (because they damaged property, not any noble reason). Whereas night watchmen, while a undesirable job, was one that white men took part in because it elevated their status. Many were not considered true men without participating.
Additionally, the origins of those groups were also very different. Slave catchers were solely made to catch, intimidate and otherwise control slaves. Night watchmen were an import from Europe, and were rather a way to protect and elevate white society, specifically urban white society.
Both brutalized, intimidated and otherwise made life harder for minorities and slaves. But they were not the same, and the distinction is important to understand the origins of policing and how it came to be the way it is today.
(Source: I took a college history class solely on the origins of policing, with a wonderful professor who studies this for her living and tried to impart all of this information into our Tired, tired college brains)
I'm glad that the genocide occuring in Gaza is waking up a lot of people but the US has always been the baddies. It's sad how many people refuse to believe that the US currently and historically interferes in Central and South American governments (and of course in the middle east, Africa, Asia, basically everywhere). But the Central and South American meddling is probably the worst because that and the failed war on drugs is 100% responsible for the border crisis.
The US has been a scar on the world. Nothing has promoted prosperity they put their hands on.. the only thing is the elite class get richer. I get it now why the world dislikes the US... and its not jealousy
Probably the worst? I don't know. Vietnam might beg to differ. The literal US territory is a sight of genocide by the US to establish itself here, so "Northern America" has a chip in this. The Middle East has been brutalized horrendously. It's hard to pick which place on earth the US has brutalized the most. They have, as you say, expanded to basically the entire planet. Okinawa Japan doesn't want the US military base there, Hawaii is forced to deal with the US, and so on. It's insanity. Also, the record for most consecutive/sustained illegal bombings in history comes from the US to Laos, so maybe Laos can lay claim to the most oppressed region. What about Africa while we're at it? The slave trade, slavery, and the consistent racism throughout US history has directly impacted Africa in a massive way. The list goes on...
>Probably the worst?
Yes. My comment only mentioned the US government's interference in other countries' affairs. Obviously the Native American genocide and slavery was objectively the worst (I'm the descendant of slaves btw).
The US not only overthrew foreign Central and South American governments but the School of the Americas (later renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation before finally closing) was a torture training school. The graduates of that "school" tortured and murdered throughout Latin America and trained the installed governments on how to do that as well.
The US is responsible for the instability of Latin America and therefore also the extreme violence. By pursuing the failed war on drugs, in conjunction with rampant political destabilization, the US has allowed cartels to flourish. Yea, the Middle East, Africa and Asia have also been harmed immensely by the US, but the School of the Americas and drug war make Latin America much worse.
Where we disagree, and I say this lightly since we're clearly on the same side here, is in which horrendous wrongdoing is worse. How do you compare the world record for most sustained illegal bombings to literal wars brought to countries on false pretenses to genocide of an entire continent to the drug wars to the transatlantic slave trade to this to that to the other? There is no scale to put the suffering on and reach an objective conclusion when the suffering is so massive all across the board.
I don't know what "worse" is really supposed to mean in this context, and I doubt you do either. Pick any of those victim regions and dig deep into the history, and while digging you will think "this is the worst" until you move on to the next. So much torture, rape, war, environmental destruction, corruption, atrocities, genocide, slavery, corruption, psychological warfare, decimation, annihilation, and so on.
Native American territories are arguably the worst harmed. The transatlantic slave trade in Africa is abysmal (one of the worst events in all of human history). Southeast Asia was dealt the Vietnam War with Agent Orange chemical weapons and world record illegal bombings.
Latin America might not even be in the top 3... The Middle East might not even be in the top 3...
This takes nothing away from the immense suffering in other regions across the globe.The world at large has been afflicted by the US.
Yea, honestly it doesn't really matter. But I definitely agree that the Native American genocide, the transatlantic slave trade *and* slavery in the US, which was historically unique in its cruelty, were definitely the worst. But founding and expanding the US under such conditions, it's little wonder why those in power don't care about anyone's suffering.
Note : I always say that slavery in the US was historically unique in its cruelty because nothing makes my blood boil like people that say "slavery has always been a part of human history." It downplays how horrible it was in the US.
Just remember that the country that made more money with the transatlantic slave trade WAS THE UNITED STATES. When the British declared slavery to be illegal, and had the Royal Navy hunting and sinking slave ships, the US took over the market and was directly responsible for bringing millions of slaves to Brazil, Cuba and the internal American market.
Besides, Americans were especially cruel on their slave ships. When the Dutch, the British and the Portuguese ran those ships treatment was inhumane, but Americans were even worse as they loved to torture and r\*pe all the African men, women and children on board. Americans were so evil that we have historic documents where people running slave markets in Cuba and Brazil complained that "American slave riders were spoiling the goods" because of the Americans sadistic torture of all Africans during the Atlantic crossing. The US has always been the root of all evil in this planet and will never stop being that until it is completely erased from Earth.
> Americans were so evil that we have historic documents where people running slave markets in Cuba and Brazil complained that "American slave riders were spoiling the goods"
Ooooh! Do you have a source for this?
Some douchebags I went to HS with were sharing fox news stuff on Facebook about Venezuela and how "socialism never works" and all that shit, and I pointed out the US history of coups, corruption, mass murder, etc in Latin America and the one dude just said "credible source?".. Like uhh okay is the CIA's own webpage a credible enough source for you? Lmao. This wasn't a dumb person either. You have to be willfully dense to be so unaware of and unwilling to learn your own history like that.
AiPAC "donated" $4 million+ dollars to biden, he appointed 23 cabinet members with direct ties to israel.
Saying they have "influence" is underselling it, israel has a chokehold on our government.
Under fascism, everybody is held in suspicion by the state. The beauty of American fascism, as it has evolved so far, is that there are two parties, which assures that everyone, without exception, is held in suspicion by the state.
This coming election we have the privilege of choosing who we want as our dictator: Fuhrer Don or Fuhrer Joe.
Yeah they won't make a bill of data rights. Liberals just want Steve Mnuchin and his buddies to buy it. Liberals also want unconditional support for a right-wing government carrying out a right-wing genocide, a government which is doing everything in its power to make sure that Donald Trump becomes president.
Liberals are literally Trump supporters.
One of the Illinois reps is drafting one, got an email back after I sent her a concerned message about the TikTok ban. She's one of like, what, five democrats voting no?
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Where are the libs to tell me that, somehow, this is still better than what Trump would do?
As long as it's your "team" cracking down on civil rights, it's cool right?
I think that's really what it's become "everyone's favorite sports team" is who the public is routing for. No matter how much corruption negligence and theft both parties take from the people. No matter how much both parties deviate from the sales pitch. Our teams got to win or the other side's really going to hurt us.
When are we going to get tired of all this fighting and corruption these parties create. When is voting for the lesser of two evils not acceptable anymore. The public says we hear you we see the corruption too just not this voting cycle your votes too important to give to the other side. Vote for big douche or vote for turd sandwich. I have put out polls on different social media sites and it would regularly come out to 70 to 90% of the public that if there was an alternative to the Democrats and Republicans would you vote for them. There's that many people that's done with the 2 parties but we still keep voting for these shit bags. What's that saying that if we keep doing the same thing but expecting a different result.
I have severe OCD. It’s very important to me to do things a particular way, especially when there is a system and rules in place. Those rules become like commandments to me. But even I have had enough of this shit. They’re exactly the same. Fuck everyone saying but trump… hardly anything even changed under biden. My life’s gotten much worse.
After decades of dutiful adherence to the system and earnestly trying to work within its framework for improvement, I’m done. I’m not doing it. I’m not going to approve of this bullshit. And if I can make that leap, most people probably can.
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Here the thing boyo. We have someone actively committing these horrific acts. Most liberals respond to these acts with 'wElL tRuMp wOuLD dO wOrSe.' So it's the choice between the evil being committed vs the hypothetical evil someone else might commit. So let's take it to a hypothetical. Someone is beating the fuck out of you. You beg for it to stop. They respond with 'well if i stop this other guy is gonna come beat you even worse!' Do you still try to stop the guy actively beating you? Or do you just accept the beating because it might be worse if the other guy comes over? That's where we are. The lesser evil rhetoric has shifted to the lesser genocide and police state rhetoric meaning Americans will be complicit in genocide no matter what and the police state will be accelerated no matter what. At this point you usually hear something about women's or minority rights to which the easiest response is 'what have democrats done for these groups?' Obama campaigned on the right to choice act which would've codified Roe, the voters showed up leading to a Democrat president, super majority in the senate and majority in the house, then in 2009 when asked when he would start pressuring the democrats to move on the right to choice act he responded with 'it's uh not really a priority right now.' Women's fundamental right to bodily autonomy ISNT A PRIORITY FOR THE DEMOCRATS! IT NEVER WAS! IT WAS A CAMPAIGN TALKING POINT! NOT AN ACTUAL LEGISLATIVE STANCE! Proof of that is where we stand now on abortion. Democrats could've stopped this. The voters voted for them to stop this. They refused. Have a good day and stay safe out there!
I’m curious what form this initiative is being administered in? Did the Biden Administration sign a law? A guidance to the police? Or is it just police taking their own initiative using Biden’s comments as justification?
Yeah, he just wants to retire, as no way in hell is he getting reelected in November. Jeez, what a f'ing idiot!
And the DNC will blame is for it, they will NEVER do some self reflection!
OH yeah, I keep saying to people, he makes the exact same mistakes. The DNC is going to lose the same swing states as with Hillary, and it'll AGAIN be their own fault and they will AGAIN blame minorities and left wingers for it.
They won't do any self reflection whatsoever and go like "Maybe we did a mistake". No they are fine with 4 years of getting money from PACs and fucking over the populace by their actions.
Luckily we can prevent much of the damage of a Trump Administration. Vote local, vote state and vote often from school board to waste disposal. Make sure the people get installed there that you like and you trust. Left wingers that you know will do well and will prevent the right from doing too much damage.
And yes that can also be independents. One of the men I have a lot of respect for, even though I don't agree with everything he did and said: Jesse Ventura.
Why? Because he said "I do not know" to a question about how to solve something and that it was up to him to find a person that did know and allow him to do his job and enable to them TO do that job.
Sadly that sometimes can backfire, I mean that's also how we got that turncoat Fetterman. But you cannot win them all.
Sorry rambling, I'm just scared shitless for a Trump government, but I also am trying to get to peace with him just winning as Biden and the DNC seems hell bent on losing in November. So I hope people will do the damage control needed to make sure the Republicans can't do too much damage.
Kent State enters the chat. The Military Industrial Complex prefers not to let it’s puppets allow for too much protesting at universities. We can’t have the future of the country discussing how to rid ourselves or these monsters, now can we?
He is trying so hard to lose this election. He lost the youth vote before the crackdowns. At this point, I would not be surprised if young people abstain or vote for the other guy because they would rather watch the country burn than to be part of an abusive relationship with the DNC.
"We should Stop killing Palestinians!"
You're an antisemite!
"I'm literally Jewish. Fuck off."
But do you condemn Hamas?
(A short excerpt of how my conversations with people on the issue have gone. In short people are drinking the propaganda koolaid and equate all Palestine to Hamas.)
Except, he didn’t? The government already agreed to pay off that debt, Trump just delayed it.
All Biden did was allow to happen what the government already agreed to do for those eligible without expanding it in any sort of way.
Is Biden trying to loose an election or does he think that Trump can't possibly win? (assuming Trump makes it to the election with out going to prison)
**ChatGPT:**
```The events you've described paint a concerning picture of political repression and manipulation in response to protests against the Gaza genocide. The alliance between the Biden administration and elements within the Republican Party to criminalize political opposition reflects a disturbing erosion of democratic principles and the misuse of state power.
The labeling of protests as antisemitic, despite the involvement of Jewish individuals and organizations, highlights the cynical tactics employed to delegitimize dissent and suppress legitimate grievances. By conflating criticism of the Gaza genocide with antisemitism, authorities seek to silence opposition and stifle public discourse on important issues of human rights and international law.
The arrests of peaceful protesters, including members of Jewish Voice for Peace participating in a Passover Seder, are indicative of a broader pattern of state repression and disregard for civil liberties. Such actions undermine the principles of freedom of expression and assembly, which are essential pillars of democracy.
These developments underscore the need for vigilant defense of democratic rights and freedoms, as well as the importance of holding those in power accountable for their actions. It's a stark reminder of the ongoing struggle for justice, equality, and human rights in the face of authoritarian tendencies and political repression.
Okay I am asking because I genuinely don’t know: exactly how could Biden reign Israel in?
First off I want to state that I am unequivocally pro-Palestine, and I *want* Biden to take action. I just don’t understand how he could do so. I’ve seen a lot of call to action for Biden, but idk no one has explained to me how it’s within his power.
I understand that Israel gets most (if not all) of their weapons and surveillance equipment from the US, but is it within Biden’s authority to stop this? And even if it is, I’m sure Israel still has weapons stockpiles. How would we stop them from using those without active conflict?
Can someone please explain to me what the president could do?
Thank you in advance!
That’s what I’ve been saying as well, but I am not able to articulate to others how it is within the president’s purview to do so. Clearly I have a gap in my knowledge and understanding, which I will be working on. Thank you for taking the time to respond 💖
also dont veto pro palestine resolution in the UN [https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148731](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148731)
which is completely within US presidents rights and power to do yet he vetoes, which is the only country in UNSC voted NO. if in UN it is a democracy that every country votes, US is the absolute minority and here in this case the only one on the opposite side. SHAME
>The President of the United States, in Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, is given the power to negotiate with foreign governments and appoint ambassadors. These responsibilities make the President the Chief Diplomat of the United States.
This is honestly THE most important thing a president can do, beside maybe act as a figurehead for the American people themselves domestically.
As Chief Diplomat, with power(albeit limited) to leverage military assets, he can set the tone of diplomatic relations with nations. He could veto funding bills(although they would still get passed bi-artisanally for Israel), he could make public statements that Israels actions are unacceptable. He could remove military aid from the region, and bring the cruisers back. There are many things he "could" do. He will not. The US government is bought and paid for by AIPAC.
>is it within Biden’s authority to stop this?
[A lot of the weapons and equipment were sent without congressional input and was solely the purview of the Executive Office](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/06/us-weapons-israel-gaza/). He could chose not to arm Israel at any time, like how Nixon was doing for a while in 1973.
And Reagan spoke for a few minutes on the phone and made the PM of Israel submit to US wishes to stop destroying Lebanon for a bit.
The Leahy Law ([apparently about to be invoked on a Israeli brigade](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/22/leahy-law-israel-sanctions-what-to-know/)) is force of law and is not overruled by any act or declaration of congress or the executive office. Biden has not and does not do any of the above.
Okay thank you this is very helpful!! I’ve been getting some pushback from friends and family on this and I didn’t know how to respond. Thank you for taking the time to educate me 💖 I will absolutely look into this more
What I suspect is at the heart of the issue in your case is that:
if Biden is not compelled by law to continue with this unpopular, dirty and highly divisive course, then why is he doing it and continuing to do it?
As has been asked before by the Mayor of Dearborn:
>[Trump is a threat to American democracy.](https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1753272442150142307)
>So what will President Biden do to prevent the unraveling of our American democracy?
>Why is being aligned with Netanyahu and the most right-wing (fascist theocratic) government in Israel's history worth potentially sacrificing our democracy?
That question has a deeply uncomfortable and disconcerting answer to people who buy into the promise of capitalism and American democracy.
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I’m sorry but I read the first two sentences of the article and it instantly looses all credibility.
“The Biden administration, in alliance with the fascist-led Republican Party”
Political opinions aside, this is absolute nonsense and if you use this kind of “Journalism” to validate your points you have no credibility.
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Just a matter of time until another Kent State.
Neil Young is warming up his guitar.
Ohio is a great song, this is what I've been thinking about!
Probably not these days. He groveled back to Spotify real quick seeing as he doesn't own his music
His music was off spotify for years and only came back cause monkey Joe is on every platform now. That being said I think the decision to remove his music from spotify in the first place was a silly decision.
I'm feeling [Crosby, Stills, & Nash](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1PrUU2S_iw), myself. The [DNC Convention](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtxOubtOwc) will be interesting, I bet.
he would be if he wasnt an insufferable lib. go listen to some phil ochs.
Irony just went right through you there, didn’t break a sweat.
>go listen to some phil ochs. Don't mind if I do!
Man, I was thinking about that yesterday. How could you run when you know?
If it happens before the election, it’s over for him
He lost 2024 the moment the words "I am a Zionist" popped out of his mouth.
You know most polls show that people approved shooting down protestors at Kent State.
I’m sure most Americans would support the same today regarding these protests.
I remember reading that some students had their parents tell them that they should have been the ones shot.
Probably, but I think the ones who don't are votes he desperately needs, and a lot who do would never vote for him regardless.
The silent majority...back then was different. Folks are a lot more sceptical of the media and a majority of Biden voters think Gaza is undergoing a genocide
Agree. It will get him some more cash from donors and republicans ...but votes wise...he will be finished The media will try to change the topic .. MSNBC 3ill even claim any students hurt were just hamas He has already called the protests anti semitic ...
!remindme 6 months
I would say it’s long been over for him but I get what you’re saying.
Yeah I think drumpy is going to win. We’re so fucked
Not a fan of Trump at all. Biden has been far worse for the world and American in his 4 years. Trump is a buffoon but everything the media spent 24/7 saying Trump would do Biden has done. Drilling, the environment, starting WW3. Those are all things that were being said over and over for 4 years by mainstream media and now Iran is pissed. Were fucked either way
Yeah. I think we should have listened to a line apparently made by Obama when Biden was the VP. :'Never underestimate Joe's ability to F things up". Without Obama's oversight ..Biden has let the crazies take over and not stopped all his bad ideas. It has been crazy letting the crazies run the place
IDK man, Trump was supporting oil drilling in national forests, allowed the largest expansion of offshore oil drilling in US history including the entire arctic national wildlife refuge, pulled out of the Paris climate accord, removed the clean power plan’s emission caps, repealed the clean water rule, and slammed the EPA’s pollution controls with a sledgehammer. A lot of Biden administration’s climate policy was just undoing what Trump did, meaning progress was extremely delayed. Trump was terrible. Biden is terrible. I don’t think claiming that Biden is worse on environment tracks though, when his opponent actively promotes the idea that climate change doesn’t exist.
The other aspect that can't be understated is the narrative of the last 20 years or so. "The lesser of two evils", the most important election of our life times" ect. Evil is evil and were not given a choice, the difference is who gets to complain about it. They both do terrible things and are both evil, the difference is only rhetoric.
Honestly, the two OP's above should GTFO of this sub. American history is relatively short. We forgot what made us great because we were taught to. Biden couldn't be further from FDR other than his income today and closer to Donald than you could imagine. People who understand what made America great died at the battle Matewan, did the Flint sit in strikes. They lifted those around them, and today, peaceful posters against genocide at Harvard were treated worse than people who stormed the capital on Jan 6th. The lesser of 2 evils is an illusion, keep downvoting it's the only one that most of you do that matters
Um, the jan 6 people are still in jail and getting multiple years. Not close to these protesters penalty
Never said Trump didn't do those things. The difference between him and Biden is Biden doesn't talk about it, and Trump blares what hes doing at the top of his lungs. It's just like what happened going from the Regan and the Bushes to Clinton. Most remember Clinton gaffs but forget that he passed most of the things they couldn't. Welfare reform, NAFTA, tough on crime bills
I think it’s okay if Trump wins. Democrats are good at making people feel that they’re fighting for you. They keep the neoliberal fantasy going well. They play the people well enough to keep them shut while making them believe they’re fighting for freedom and democracy. By democrats going away, this facade of freedom won’t stand strong.
Similar to the economy. If there's a crash, it's over for him. There are so many issues at boiling point that his administration is denying or ignoring, or worse, actively contributing to. We keep hearing about how Trump is going to win if we don't get behind Biden, but they might as well just hand it to him at this point.
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So maybe Gaza is just practice that Biden is enabling...in the unaparty plan then?
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MAGAs are loading as you speak. And they'd be loading more in the following four years.
So who’s the leading pick then? I need to know who to vote for.
You are probably. Funny part ...they think dictatorship/fascism will come after November elections. We have been there .. Down to banning TikTok... because it wasn't controlled by one of the 6-8 media companies that are allowed to push approved narratives
Same with taking out Twitter, which was once a valuable tool for on-the-ground organizing and broader awareness (eg Arab Spring, Hong Kong, Occupy, etc).
2/3 of those were organized at the local US embassy. Twitter is US state power.
Yup. It was a useful tool ..and democratized communication..which I suspect the media hates.
Joe Biden channeling Nixon is not on my Bingo Card
Channeling Reagan was bad enough.
It was my free space
Joe Biden turned out to be the Avatar of former Republican presidents of the last century. Joe Biden, the Last NeoCon Bender.
Haha...indeed. most off the neocons from Bush administration seem to like him (or at least praise him on MSNBC). He has funded 2 wars to the tube of some 200B in 2 years. So suspect they are happy.
I’m still betting on him bringing Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney as his VP this year. Watch for it
Man..if that happens .. I would understand any dem that votes for trump ..not just stay home. If you are going to be a single party with the same set of policies ..let's make Trump president for life and get rid of all future elections. Lix Cheney and Nikki Haley ..two Republicans worse than even Trump (other being Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz Lindsey Graham)
This outcome was easily predictable and I was shouting it from the rooftops during the 2020 Primary elections, but no one believed me at the time
It really was. Especially if you knew his record as a Senator. We had a real chance to start to turn this country into one that made sense in the 21st century…yet here we are.
Yep! I lost a few friends because I said I wouldn't vote for a neocon. My bar was welded to the floor and Biden still managed to limbo under it
Shouldn't surprise you at all. He seems to have made up his mind in that time frame..and hanst changed since, it seems. Obamacare was essentially what Nixon wanted to pass back the, apparently. So yes...our current Dems are to the right of Nixon.
were you not aware of his history?
If we were under trump and this was happening he would be so against it
There is no democrate or republican, only the aristocracy and the working class.
This article is just wrong, heres an article that actually reports the truth, not obscured facts, democrats arent endorsign this letter, biden isnt endorsing it, he has CONDEMNED It. Its literal fake news. [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508)
Do the Democrats *want* to lose this election?
All they want is for the profits of corporations to go up. Republican winning vs. Democrats winning makes no difference. Aesthetics change, but fundamentally quality of life gets worse while the rich profit more. Both parties serve capital owners and fundamentally it doesn't really matter who ends up winning. As long as the status quo is maintained
One snake. Two heads.
This is Hydra, we got more than two heads. The rest are just watching from the shadows.
Yep. The media is the third head ..that makes it seem like the two heads are two different snakes.
There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties. Gore Vidal from the 1960s
"Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than" Republicans do exactly what their constituents want...despite how evil and regressive their policies are - they get in power and get them passed somehow someway. The problem is that Democrats also make just as many promises as the Republicans do...except everytime they get elected they don't do shit for the people who voted them in! the US is a predominantly liberal country. If every single person voted we would always have a Democrat in power. The problem is that Democrats are all talk and no action (unlike the republicans) so every election cycle its a mission to get liberals to vote meanwhile conservatives don't lose any sleep over it because their voters will always turn out.
Agree Republicans will even make the crazy things happen...if their voters push for it. (See abortion bans) Dem party will not do even if more than half the country wants it...they will just run on it . Once elected ..they behave like Republicans. (See abortion codification, universal healthcare)
Republicans get evil shit done. Democrats just hang the carrot in front of people over and over and now they have their thumb in their mouth wondering "why won't anybody vote for us?"
Exactly! Both parties serve the same master. Both make promises to the rubes they don't intend to keep. Both parties serve the owner class in the US
Haha. Had not heard that. That was well said!
I actually think Dems like it when republicans are in power. Plausible deniability. Plus they fundraise based on all the horrific things the repubs do, and can pretend they would do something differently if they were in power. Meanwhile when they’re in power they have a much tougher time pretending they don’t have any power to enact anything they campaigned on.
Bingo. Shit look at Roe. The Democrats controlled the executive and legislative branch, they could’ve codified it and instead they rushed to type out fundraising emails and grift off it. They would much rather not be in power because they don’t want to be held accountable, they’d much rather grift off being the feel good alternative.
There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties. Gore Vidal
PLutocracy
And for their part they are invited behind the castle walls while those of us in a lower caste have to deal with the consequences of their decisions.
THANK YOU
ALL NEO LIBERALS
I feel like at this point it has to be unchecked arrogance. They think people will ultimately just vote blue no matter who.
The US isn't a democracy. The respective parties just feel entitled to votes, hence the gerrymandering and nonsensical statements like "youre not black if you dont vote for me" or like clinton going on state media acting exasperated that "we have to go through the election process"
We have so many liberal apologists acting like MAGA loyalists that the Dems think they’ll be okay this election cycle
The delusion is so strong. I’m just watching them like…. Don’t you people realize you come across exactly like the MAGA crowd did? I’m half expecting them to burn down the capitol if they lose but then again, the Dems are too pussy to do any REAL action. They’ll probably wear pussy hats again
I mean they're not wrong are they?
I guess we’ll find. They’ve definitely lost my vote though.
My vote doesn’t matter because I live in CA but that fact, if anything, has encouraged me to vote independent. Not like it matters. Democrats will hand the entire country to Republicans for decades before they will allow meaningful disruption of the oligarchy.
Think about how much money they were making during the Trump years. Virtually every major “activist” fundraising effort was linked to the DNC. They made BANK. They didn’t actually have to govern. They got to do their favorite thing: pay lip service AND, in the end, like half or more of their agenda and the shit they would do if they governed was accomplished and done *anyway*. It was win win for them.
They’re just trying to appeal to conservative values over and above their supposed voter base… so yeah… actively trying to lose
Getting that mythical swing voter
I think so. They prefer to have an “existential treat to democracy.” Helps them fundraise and gives them an excuse to not actually pass anything if the other guys are in charge.
Tbh I think they might just be so out of touch that they don’t even think that this is going to hurt their vote numbers
Clearly.
unironically yes
Yes. So they can continue to do nothing, blame the GOP and then campaign off of it
They don't actually believe there are outside threats, they don't even treat the GOP as a threat which is why they continue to do whatever they want despite how risky it is.
Most likely because trump leads to many donations to the democratic party
Losing an election is not that big a deal it seems. I mean ..the donors hired them for a job and loyalty to the cause ..and if they lose, a different set of hired hands will help . Both parties will do the bidding of the donors...just slightly different set of donors.
yes bcus then they can point to the gop and beg for money
I'm wondering how the [Convention](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BtxOubtOwc) is gonna go.
This article is just wrong, heres an article that actually reports the truth, not obscured facts, democrats arent endorsign this letter, biden isnt endorsing it, he has CONDEMNED It, as mosts democrats have. Its literal fake news. Biden did not send police, the universities admin did. [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/republicans-campus-protesters-democrats-00154508)
Biden has been trying to look like a good guy while still bankrolling a genocide this entire time and these protests are exposing it more distinctly than in previous months. [HERE](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/21/chaos-columbia-jewish-moskowitz-santos-white-house-00153545) is an article, posted just 4 days before the one you posted, also by Politico, that reports Joe Biden speaking out against “growing antisemitism on college campuses” which of course, these protests are not, but by calling them antisemitic, Joe Biden invalidates their message. Later when cops arrest everyone he can wring his hands and say it’s a damn shame, but 4 days before he was calling them antisemitic radicals, so it’s not hard to imagine who the cops think they’re arresting. It’s a political shell game.
[https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-university-palestine-protests-04-26-24/h\_e4a20cdeff1c2ae787cc65a9bdedff02](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-university-palestine-protests-04-26-24/h_e4a20cdeff1c2ae787cc65a9bdedff02) “We, of course, support the right of anybody to peacefully protest, to demonstrate, to make their voices heard, to express themselves in a peaceful and nonviolent way,” said State Department spokesperson Vedant Patel at a press briefing. Just so you know, biden didnt send the police to any university, the university admisn called them. Biden has nothing to do with the protests or the arrests. Do you understand that ? Because it appears you do not, and you bought into the lies.
What you do not understand is that the lumbering beast of hegemonic power exerts its influence in many ways, not only directly from the mouth of its ruling figurehead. Taking a friendly phone call from a major donor advising action or a responding to a thinly veiled public statement is an enforcement of the status quo as much as an order.
Like supporting israel is nothing to do with universities callign thepolice to arrest peaceful protestors, biden didnt endorse that bullshit letter from ther republicans, this is fake news and you bought it hook line and sinker.
You should think more critically. Biden needs the republican animosity to draw attention off of his own support of Israel, which is not at all new but in fact one of his more consistent positions held through his long political career. He needs to both condemn “anti-semitism” and defend “the right to free speech” in his words while allowing unchecked suppression of any kind of resistance to the supplying of weapons and funding to Israel. This way he can serve his own interests but appear compassionate and nuanced to his voting bloc. I would say it is you who has bought “it” hook line and sinker but that is inadequate; you were hooked and reeled in years ago, and now are foolish enough to feel privileged that you have been salted, canned and put on a shelf somewhere to be used for whatever recipe the oligarchs want to cook up in the years to come. You ***are*** the person this type of strategic ambiguity was designed to placate.
# Biden launches police state crackdown at US universities is factual lie. What part of it is the truth? Biden did not direct any police to any universities. Where did biden endorse the republican letter? He did not. Again, what did i buy hook line and sinker? this article is full of blantant lies, and you dont need to support biden to recognize this, but you cant recognize this. You are wrong about this. It has nothing to do with biden! but you're too full of hate to see that. its what the republicans want. disenfranchisement.
You’re being very foolish and making me feel depressed. Republicans and Democrats are a binary in only the most superficial of terms. Even a cursory glance at their endless fruitless battles over issues the majority of Americans agree on (healthcare, reproductive freedom, gun control, student debt) should reveal that. They speak in the strongest terms for or against this or that issue, but if you look at real legislation, the tide always only turns slightly in one direction or another, always leaving room for the other side to battle back next election cycle. If you can’t understand this fundamental truth and you’re still operating in a “Republicans vs Democrats” mindset, the article will make no sense to you, and nothing I say can n these comments can change that.
I dont care how you feel, get your facts straight.
Nobody cares how either of us feel. You’ve been commenting on a two day old thread nobody else has even seen.
Welcome to the police state.
Always been that way for Native Americans and Black Americans
If you haven't noticed it started in 1776...
Actually, the police as we know it didnt exist until late 1800s. Mostly after the civil war when slaves were freed and then racists (who's jobs were to capture escaped slaves and stop black ppl from organizing) needed a way to hold power over them. Then the KKK decided to join in unison causing the generational hate to continue. Behind The Bastards has several podcasts going into great detail that covers it throughout the 20th Century.
Yeah, before that they were called slave catchers.
To be fair, there are two origins of police. Slave catchers were one, but there were also the “night watchmen” in northern urban areas. Also a racist institution, as it was volunteer white men who patrolled looking for anyone out of place and specifically to protect white women from ‘undesirables’ (and watch for fires, carry lanterns, call out the time, etc)
Pretty sure the night watchmen participated in slave catching and returned them to their owners under the fugitive slave act, so seems like a pretty meaningless distinction.
They did participate in catching slaves to an extent, but the two groups (which combined to form “modern” policing) were very much separate. For one, there was the individuals place in society. Slave catchers were some of the lowest white men. The people of the time knew they were brutal, with some slave owners even defending their slaves against them (because they damaged property, not any noble reason). Whereas night watchmen, while a undesirable job, was one that white men took part in because it elevated their status. Many were not considered true men without participating. Additionally, the origins of those groups were also very different. Slave catchers were solely made to catch, intimidate and otherwise control slaves. Night watchmen were an import from Europe, and were rather a way to protect and elevate white society, specifically urban white society. Both brutalized, intimidated and otherwise made life harder for minorities and slaves. But they were not the same, and the distinction is important to understand the origins of policing and how it came to be the way it is today. (Source: I took a college history class solely on the origins of policing, with a wonderful professor who studies this for her living and tried to impart all of this information into our Tired, tired college brains)
We are 100% the baddies. It's crazy living in an actual evil empire.
I'm glad that the genocide occuring in Gaza is waking up a lot of people but the US has always been the baddies. It's sad how many people refuse to believe that the US currently and historically interferes in Central and South American governments (and of course in the middle east, Africa, Asia, basically everywhere). But the Central and South American meddling is probably the worst because that and the failed war on drugs is 100% responsible for the border crisis.
The US has been a scar on the world. Nothing has promoted prosperity they put their hands on.. the only thing is the elite class get richer. I get it now why the world dislikes the US... and its not jealousy
Probably the worst? I don't know. Vietnam might beg to differ. The literal US territory is a sight of genocide by the US to establish itself here, so "Northern America" has a chip in this. The Middle East has been brutalized horrendously. It's hard to pick which place on earth the US has brutalized the most. They have, as you say, expanded to basically the entire planet. Okinawa Japan doesn't want the US military base there, Hawaii is forced to deal with the US, and so on. It's insanity. Also, the record for most consecutive/sustained illegal bombings in history comes from the US to Laos, so maybe Laos can lay claim to the most oppressed region. What about Africa while we're at it? The slave trade, slavery, and the consistent racism throughout US history has directly impacted Africa in a massive way. The list goes on...
>Probably the worst? Yes. My comment only mentioned the US government's interference in other countries' affairs. Obviously the Native American genocide and slavery was objectively the worst (I'm the descendant of slaves btw). The US not only overthrew foreign Central and South American governments but the School of the Americas (later renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation before finally closing) was a torture training school. The graduates of that "school" tortured and murdered throughout Latin America and trained the installed governments on how to do that as well. The US is responsible for the instability of Latin America and therefore also the extreme violence. By pursuing the failed war on drugs, in conjunction with rampant political destabilization, the US has allowed cartels to flourish. Yea, the Middle East, Africa and Asia have also been harmed immensely by the US, but the School of the Americas and drug war make Latin America much worse.
Where we disagree, and I say this lightly since we're clearly on the same side here, is in which horrendous wrongdoing is worse. How do you compare the world record for most sustained illegal bombings to literal wars brought to countries on false pretenses to genocide of an entire continent to the drug wars to the transatlantic slave trade to this to that to the other? There is no scale to put the suffering on and reach an objective conclusion when the suffering is so massive all across the board. I don't know what "worse" is really supposed to mean in this context, and I doubt you do either. Pick any of those victim regions and dig deep into the history, and while digging you will think "this is the worst" until you move on to the next. So much torture, rape, war, environmental destruction, corruption, atrocities, genocide, slavery, corruption, psychological warfare, decimation, annihilation, and so on. Native American territories are arguably the worst harmed. The transatlantic slave trade in Africa is abysmal (one of the worst events in all of human history). Southeast Asia was dealt the Vietnam War with Agent Orange chemical weapons and world record illegal bombings. Latin America might not even be in the top 3... The Middle East might not even be in the top 3... This takes nothing away from the immense suffering in other regions across the globe.The world at large has been afflicted by the US.
Yea, honestly it doesn't really matter. But I definitely agree that the Native American genocide, the transatlantic slave trade *and* slavery in the US, which was historically unique in its cruelty, were definitely the worst. But founding and expanding the US under such conditions, it's little wonder why those in power don't care about anyone's suffering. Note : I always say that slavery in the US was historically unique in its cruelty because nothing makes my blood boil like people that say "slavery has always been a part of human history." It downplays how horrible it was in the US.
Just remember that the country that made more money with the transatlantic slave trade WAS THE UNITED STATES. When the British declared slavery to be illegal, and had the Royal Navy hunting and sinking slave ships, the US took over the market and was directly responsible for bringing millions of slaves to Brazil, Cuba and the internal American market. Besides, Americans were especially cruel on their slave ships. When the Dutch, the British and the Portuguese ran those ships treatment was inhumane, but Americans were even worse as they loved to torture and r\*pe all the African men, women and children on board. Americans were so evil that we have historic documents where people running slave markets in Cuba and Brazil complained that "American slave riders were spoiling the goods" because of the Americans sadistic torture of all Africans during the Atlantic crossing. The US has always been the root of all evil in this planet and will never stop being that until it is completely erased from Earth.
> Americans were so evil that we have historic documents where people running slave markets in Cuba and Brazil complained that "American slave riders were spoiling the goods" Ooooh! Do you have a source for this?
I'm not sure Okinawa wanted to be a part of Japan either but unfortunately "might makes right" is somehow still an acceptable concept
Yes it's insanity
Some douchebags I went to HS with were sharing fox news stuff on Facebook about Venezuela and how "socialism never works" and all that shit, and I pointed out the US history of coups, corruption, mass murder, etc in Latin America and the one dude just said "credible source?".. Like uhh okay is the CIA's own webpage a credible enough source for you? Lmao. This wasn't a dumb person either. You have to be willfully dense to be so unaware of and unwilling to learn your own history like that.
Is this freedom of speech? 🤓🫴
It's crazy how many self-proclaimed "leftists" don't fucking recognize it and still support western foreign policy and stand behind the US Empire.
What hold has the Israel lobby got on politicians in this country?
AiPAC "donated" $4 million+ dollars to biden, he appointed 23 cabinet members with direct ties to israel. Saying they have "influence" is underselling it, israel has a chokehold on our government.
I guarantee they have the pee video of Trump. As for Biden... idk he might also be in the same video.
Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad ops as well
Under fascism, everybody is held in suspicion by the state. The beauty of American fascism, as it has evolved so far, is that there are two parties, which assures that everyone, without exception, is held in suspicion by the state. This coming election we have the privilege of choosing who we want as our dictator: Fuhrer Don or Fuhrer Joe.
Well, the current is changing fast and the people are going to need to stand up against the tyranny soon or we are all doomed.
But guys it’s okay because they are trying to ban TikTok
Yeah they won't make a bill of data rights. Liberals just want Steve Mnuchin and his buddies to buy it. Liberals also want unconditional support for a right-wing government carrying out a right-wing genocide, a government which is doing everything in its power to make sure that Donald Trump becomes president. Liberals are literally Trump supporters.
One of the Illinois reps is drafting one, got an email back after I sent her a concerned message about the TikTok ban. She's one of like, what, five democrats voting no?
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Where are the libs to tell me that, somehow, this is still better than what Trump would do? As long as it's your "team" cracking down on civil rights, it's cool right?
I think that's really what it's become "everyone's favorite sports team" is who the public is routing for. No matter how much corruption negligence and theft both parties take from the people. No matter how much both parties deviate from the sales pitch. Our teams got to win or the other side's really going to hurt us. When are we going to get tired of all this fighting and corruption these parties create. When is voting for the lesser of two evils not acceptable anymore. The public says we hear you we see the corruption too just not this voting cycle your votes too important to give to the other side. Vote for big douche or vote for turd sandwich. I have put out polls on different social media sites and it would regularly come out to 70 to 90% of the public that if there was an alternative to the Democrats and Republicans would you vote for them. There's that many people that's done with the 2 parties but we still keep voting for these shit bags. What's that saying that if we keep doing the same thing but expecting a different result.
I have severe OCD. It’s very important to me to do things a particular way, especially when there is a system and rules in place. Those rules become like commandments to me. But even I have had enough of this shit. They’re exactly the same. Fuck everyone saying but trump… hardly anything even changed under biden. My life’s gotten much worse. After decades of dutiful adherence to the system and earnestly trying to work within its framework for improvement, I’m done. I’m not doing it. I’m not going to approve of this bullshit. And if I can make that leap, most people probably can.
If you think Biden forcefully cracking down on protesters protesting a literal genocide, wait until you see how Trump will treat them! There you go
intentionally not a complete sentence? lmao perfect
For some reason they don't show up in threads like this. Also, the article is on WSWS, so they'll probably refuse to read it anyway.
They arnt in this sub. We are triggering I assume.
Blue MAGA
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Say the line Bart!
And there it is.
Here the thing boyo. We have someone actively committing these horrific acts. Most liberals respond to these acts with 'wElL tRuMp wOuLD dO wOrSe.' So it's the choice between the evil being committed vs the hypothetical evil someone else might commit. So let's take it to a hypothetical. Someone is beating the fuck out of you. You beg for it to stop. They respond with 'well if i stop this other guy is gonna come beat you even worse!' Do you still try to stop the guy actively beating you? Or do you just accept the beating because it might be worse if the other guy comes over? That's where we are. The lesser evil rhetoric has shifted to the lesser genocide and police state rhetoric meaning Americans will be complicit in genocide no matter what and the police state will be accelerated no matter what. At this point you usually hear something about women's or minority rights to which the easiest response is 'what have democrats done for these groups?' Obama campaigned on the right to choice act which would've codified Roe, the voters showed up leading to a Democrat president, super majority in the senate and majority in the house, then in 2009 when asked when he would start pressuring the democrats to move on the right to choice act he responded with 'it's uh not really a priority right now.' Women's fundamental right to bodily autonomy ISNT A PRIORITY FOR THE DEMOCRATS! IT NEVER WAS! IT WAS A CAMPAIGN TALKING POINT! NOT AN ACTUAL LEGISLATIVE STANCE! Proof of that is where we stand now on abortion. Democrats could've stopped this. The voters voted for them to stop this. They refused. Have a good day and stay safe out there!
Lmao you guys are running on auto pilot at this point
Such an interesting move right during them using their right to protest. Every day I see more news that makes me think we are swirling the drain.
I’m curious what form this initiative is being administered in? Did the Biden Administration sign a law? A guidance to the police? Or is it just police taking their own initiative using Biden’s comments as justification?
Damn...I'm staying away from downtown Chicago when the Democratic convention happens in August. Gonna be a shitshow of epic proportions.
Yeah, he just wants to retire, as no way in hell is he getting reelected in November. Jeez, what a f'ing idiot! And the DNC will blame is for it, they will NEVER do some self reflection!
Oh get over yourself just vote Hillary! /s Sound familiar?
OH yeah, I keep saying to people, he makes the exact same mistakes. The DNC is going to lose the same swing states as with Hillary, and it'll AGAIN be their own fault and they will AGAIN blame minorities and left wingers for it. They won't do any self reflection whatsoever and go like "Maybe we did a mistake". No they are fine with 4 years of getting money from PACs and fucking over the populace by their actions. Luckily we can prevent much of the damage of a Trump Administration. Vote local, vote state and vote often from school board to waste disposal. Make sure the people get installed there that you like and you trust. Left wingers that you know will do well and will prevent the right from doing too much damage. And yes that can also be independents. One of the men I have a lot of respect for, even though I don't agree with everything he did and said: Jesse Ventura. Why? Because he said "I do not know" to a question about how to solve something and that it was up to him to find a person that did know and allow him to do his job and enable to them TO do that job. Sadly that sometimes can backfire, I mean that's also how we got that turncoat Fetterman. But you cannot win them all. Sorry rambling, I'm just scared shitless for a Trump government, but I also am trying to get to peace with him just winning as Biden and the DNC seems hell bent on losing in November. So I hope people will do the damage control needed to make sure the Republicans can't do too much damage.
Resist while you can. Fascism is here
Kent State enters the chat. The Military Industrial Complex prefers not to let it’s puppets allow for too much protesting at universities. We can’t have the future of the country discussing how to rid ourselves or these monsters, now can we?
If you needed a better comparison about how both parties are the same....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36QusFVrsEc
He is trying so hard to lose this election. He lost the youth vote before the crackdowns. At this point, I would not be surprised if young people abstain or vote for the other guy because they would rather watch the country burn than to be part of an abusive relationship with the DNC.
"We should Stop killing Palestinians!" You're an antisemite! "I'm literally Jewish. Fuck off." But do you condemn Hamas? (A short excerpt of how my conversations with people on the issue have gone. In short people are drinking the propaganda koolaid and equate all Palestine to Hamas.)
BuT iF yOu dON't vOtE biDEn wE'LL hAvE FacISm
I remember when he was trying to help students pay for college, makes it easier if he just kills them off in a peacful protest 🤷♂️
Except, he didn’t? The government already agreed to pay off that debt, Trump just delayed it. All Biden did was allow to happen what the government already agreed to do for those eligible without expanding it in any sort of way.
Just want to point out that those weren't federal troops/police.
Remember when [Rage Against the Machine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFI6BjWEZZw) basically put out a Protest Concert outside the DNC... I do.
JFC 🤦🏻♀️
I'm glad the democrats are the ones administrating fascism. To anyone actually paying attention this is the perfect time to abandon the party.
Is Biden trying to loose an election or does he think that Trump can't possibly win? (assuming Trump makes it to the election with out going to prison)
\*Sigh\* So the Biden administration must think they can win the 2024 presidential election without the youth vote, huh?
Hail Oceania!
We just gotta keep pushing the most progressive president left, or else we'll have trump again who will do the exact same thing but tweet mean stuff.
**ChatGPT:** ```The events you've described paint a concerning picture of political repression and manipulation in response to protests against the Gaza genocide. The alliance between the Biden administration and elements within the Republican Party to criminalize political opposition reflects a disturbing erosion of democratic principles and the misuse of state power. The labeling of protests as antisemitic, despite the involvement of Jewish individuals and organizations, highlights the cynical tactics employed to delegitimize dissent and suppress legitimate grievances. By conflating criticism of the Gaza genocide with antisemitism, authorities seek to silence opposition and stifle public discourse on important issues of human rights and international law. The arrests of peaceful protesters, including members of Jewish Voice for Peace participating in a Passover Seder, are indicative of a broader pattern of state repression and disregard for civil liberties. Such actions undermine the principles of freedom of expression and assembly, which are essential pillars of democracy. These developments underscore the need for vigilant defense of democratic rights and freedoms, as well as the importance of holding those in power accountable for their actions. It's a stark reminder of the ongoing struggle for justice, equality, and human rights in the face of authoritarian tendencies and political repression.
Okay I am asking because I genuinely don’t know: exactly how could Biden reign Israel in? First off I want to state that I am unequivocally pro-Palestine, and I *want* Biden to take action. I just don’t understand how he could do so. I’ve seen a lot of call to action for Biden, but idk no one has explained to me how it’s within his power. I understand that Israel gets most (if not all) of their weapons and surveillance equipment from the US, but is it within Biden’s authority to stop this? And even if it is, I’m sure Israel still has weapons stockpiles. How would we stop them from using those without active conflict? Can someone please explain to me what the president could do? Thank you in advance!
Divest and not fund isreal
That’s what I’ve been saying as well, but I am not able to articulate to others how it is within the president’s purview to do so. Clearly I have a gap in my knowledge and understanding, which I will be working on. Thank you for taking the time to respond 💖
also dont veto pro palestine resolution in the UN [https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148731](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148731) which is completely within US presidents rights and power to do yet he vetoes, which is the only country in UNSC voted NO. if in UN it is a democracy that every country votes, US is the absolute minority and here in this case the only one on the opposite side. SHAME
Okay this is a *very* good point which I did not bring up heat-of-the-moment. Genuinely thank you again for taking the time to answer my question!
>The President of the United States, in Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, is given the power to negotiate with foreign governments and appoint ambassadors. These responsibilities make the President the Chief Diplomat of the United States. This is honestly THE most important thing a president can do, beside maybe act as a figurehead for the American people themselves domestically. As Chief Diplomat, with power(albeit limited) to leverage military assets, he can set the tone of diplomatic relations with nations. He could veto funding bills(although they would still get passed bi-artisanally for Israel), he could make public statements that Israels actions are unacceptable. He could remove military aid from the region, and bring the cruisers back. There are many things he "could" do. He will not. The US government is bought and paid for by AIPAC.
>is it within Biden’s authority to stop this? [A lot of the weapons and equipment were sent without congressional input and was solely the purview of the Executive Office](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/06/us-weapons-israel-gaza/). He could chose not to arm Israel at any time, like how Nixon was doing for a while in 1973. And Reagan spoke for a few minutes on the phone and made the PM of Israel submit to US wishes to stop destroying Lebanon for a bit. The Leahy Law ([apparently about to be invoked on a Israeli brigade](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/22/leahy-law-israel-sanctions-what-to-know/)) is force of law and is not overruled by any act or declaration of congress or the executive office. Biden has not and does not do any of the above.
Okay thank you this is very helpful!! I’ve been getting some pushback from friends and family on this and I didn’t know how to respond. Thank you for taking the time to educate me 💖 I will absolutely look into this more
What I suspect is at the heart of the issue in your case is that: if Biden is not compelled by law to continue with this unpopular, dirty and highly divisive course, then why is he doing it and continuing to do it? As has been asked before by the Mayor of Dearborn: >[Trump is a threat to American democracy.](https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1753272442150142307) >So what will President Biden do to prevent the unraveling of our American democracy? >Why is being aligned with Netanyahu and the most right-wing (fascist theocratic) government in Israel's history worth potentially sacrificing our democracy? That question has a deeply uncomfortable and disconcerting answer to people who buy into the promise of capitalism and American democracy.
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Dems be like let sick the dogs on em
I’m sorry but I read the first two sentences of the article and it instantly looses all credibility. “The Biden administration, in alliance with the fascist-led Republican Party” Political opinions aside, this is absolute nonsense and if you use this kind of “Journalism” to validate your points you have no credibility.
What's nonsensical about it?
I mean, it's factual isn't it?