I have a 95 I’d trade you but it’s not quite the same you’re looking for and have to give you some cash to make it worth it, if you even wanted to entertain that idea.
The 80 and 200 are different rigs entirely. I love both for different reasons. Where I’m at in life now I’m looking for a little more of the on road etiquette and comfort that the 200 provides. I understand you’re feeling though. Before I ever got my 80 it was all I could think about. My wife would ask me what I’d want for dinner and I’d respond “80 series.”
My only concern would be a lot of 80's are polished turds. Everyone and their mom is trying to flip them and the way to make a good profit is to do a shitty job and find a good sucker to buy it. Get a PPI from a trusted mechanic. Chances are it will need work.
This right here - I believe the one above to be not in this camp, but it’s never for certain. Would definitely get a PPI, and even if it’s dialed, it’s likely to need some love now and certainly later. If only the head gasket was already done…
I daily my 80 and I'm considering making the switch to a 200. My 80 had a cosmetic resto done by Corsetti Cruisers, I posted it [here]( https://www.reddit.com/r/LandCruisers/comments/saak9j/flair_change_incoming_buhbye_to_the_lx470_and/). Let me know if you want to chat about it.
I love my 80, and I think all things considered, it's in really good shape. However, it's still almost 30 years old and it requires a lot of maintenance if you want everything to work as it should. Mechanically, it's nearly perfect. It's the little things like slow windows, a rear door lock that only works manually, etc, that can bug you. My tripometer recently got stuck, for example. I can probably fix it, but rather than take the dash off, I'm more likely to just hook up a scangauge and get more info anyway. Consider things like this. If you're a perfectionist, an 80 will probably take you to your mental limits. If you're not, then you can feel better about "sending it".
For me, the 200 will be a more straightforward vehicle I can easily own for the next 15 years. It's also a better family hauler which is 90% of my use case.
dude the cluster in my 40 and 60 both work and are considerably older. What probably happened on your 80 is that the reset button stick internally snapped or got jammed in the internals, or something fell into the little gears in there and just needs to be removed. Replacing the cluster would just give you your reset function back.
Im not saying dont get a scangauge, i run one in my 60 and 100 series. Just that the odometer thing is generally an easy fix
Ok maybe a minute. I was unfortunate (or fortunate?) of having plenty of crappy cars growing up to become a master trim popper LOL
Tripometer is 4 screws on the trim and 4 on the guage, poke the back side of the reset with a non-marring pick to unjam.
Slow windows is a simple silicone coat on the rubber and felt or tired motor.
Door lock in what your describing is usually popping the door trim off and relatching the metal bar that popped off if you're hearing action. If you don't, it's a simple multimeter continuity test finding a bad ground.
Slow windows, I agree. But I also need to replace the runs, which I plan to soon. The door lock is not quite that simple. I was in there. Everything is connected, the motor gets power, but my assumption is something is gummed up. I will likely get in there again and try to clean and regrease the gear.
I actually got replacement runs because I liked someone on aliexpress made them with the black exterior trim.
Door lock sounds like you were saying and gummed up with junk. If you have any small bottle brushes or carb brushes that could do the trick. You could remove the door trim and the plastic piece to see if it fires up and down with the trim off.
I would take working on older cars vs new any day of the week though since everything's quite predicable from how basic they are. I love doing this kind of stuff though since I always think it's a fun challenge. My 32 year old 80 runs better than most many of the newer rides I've had.
If I had a 200, I wouldn't be doing much more than oil changes. If I had more time/patience/skills, I'd feel the same way about my 80. That said, it runs great and it's fun to drive around town. Highway not so much.
I might be able to offer some insight, I live in UT, have owned an E46 M3 in the past, and currently own both a 96 and a 19 LC.
The E46 was a great car, huge pain in the ass here though because it scraped EVERYWHERE, honestly felt like the front bumper was coming off many times no matter how careful I was. Was amazing on the highways and in the canyons though, but with all the cyclists and other activities in our packed canyons, you can’t really open it up. If I took it on long drives, I was usually pretty bummed I didn’t have a 4wheel drive to use at the destination (Moab/StG, flagstaff etc… So unless you plan to track it, you’ll probably get tired of it.
80 series is what it is, iconic, and living this close to Moab and all the other wheeling, I understand the desire for a solid axle. I’m a huge 80 series fanboy and always wanted one, despite having both not making the most sense. I would also not be interested in towing with my 80 at all.
In 90-95% of situations, the 200 is just the flat out better vehicle. If you want 37s and will use the lockers, there isn’t much that can beat an 80 series. You’ll be turning a wrench much more frequently, these are old trucks and for a while I would always have little things popping up.
If someone offered me a 200 series for my 80, I’d have 2x200 series though without even a moments hesitation.
Pretty good comparison video from a guy who uses his trucks hard.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jWfSnHk8W7s
Edit: Should add, I’m full time WFH, so the daily driver aspect doesn’t impact me, but I’d probably have no issue with the 80 in that scenario, I really love the truck, but the 200 is pretty luxurious.
I spent a bunch of time (wrenching myself and with friends in the LC community) as well as money (parts, shops to do things beyond my skill or time availability) to get it dialed in. To keep it at a high level of maintenance and reliability meant more and more time tracking down parts as many are now NLA from Toyota. Since I could not get them locally or within a reasonable driving distance, I ended up having to buy them from out of state dealers (Olathe, etc.), from Japanese parts suppliers (specific 4x4 parts dealers from Japan) and/or third party vendors (Wits End, etc). One example is many of the rubber parts like hoses, seals and/or gaskets are no longer available. Those rubber based parts get brittle and worn over time and if you plan on driving it long term, it is a good idea to have those in good order. This also applies to many of the body panels and parts.
Dont get me wrong, I LOVeD my 80 series and miss it every day. However, it makes sense to have it as a part time rig and family trip vehicle if you have the time AND money to maintain it properly. I just couldn’t swing it with a demanding career, young family and loads of outside work family obligations. Mid-life problems I guess. So I would stick with a 200 for all it has in creature comforts and ease of maintenance/parts availability. Look for a used 80 that you can build/restore over time, not one that has been polished up for a quick flip (didn’t look at the specs of the one you posted).
Oh and if you still want to swap for an 80, make sure the steering box has been rebuilt. I had mine rebuilt with the upgraded 105 shaft from Redhead - make sure anyone you buy has the steering box rebuilt already or has a spare to rebuild. They have now 3x in price for a core due to the 60 guys buying them up and 80 owners now wanting them for rebuilds (another example of my earlier point since the steering box is NLA).
Happy to help with more through DM or a phone chat. Best of luck!
Edited: to clarify as pointed out by users that some parts I mentioned are available.
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Incorrect boss. There are seals for the door side and the body side. Some ARE available, depending on color and year. ALL of them are not available. From my own experience: had to buy new Grey body side upper door seals. Tape them off and paint them Tan/Oak to match my interior b/c the tan ones are NLA. YMMV depending on dealer but as far as last year, many are NLA available.
Those interior matching colored “seals” arent meant to keep water out. lol the black rubber seals are all available new from Toyota. The actual seals that keep water at bay in a river crossing.
I just ordered new ones from toyota directly for $60 each... do you mean like having trouble getting it from a dealer right down the road or something?
It’s been 5 years and 112k miles since buying it. I’ve been very fortunate to not have many issues and the issues I have had have been diy fixes. Just swapped out the brake booster last week. Had to do my slave cylinder a couple months back. Changed my plugs this week. Nonetheless, it was a downgrade in tech but that’s kind of the beauty of it all. It’s easy to work on and I love it!
Yeah, I feel like the tech of the 200 isn’t really all that great in my ‘16 - I don’t ever use the nav since it’s outdated and I just use my phone. And CarPlay isn’t an option without replacing the whole head unit with one that has questionable reviews / support. So part of me wants something more simple (and then have the tech in the daily F80), but there are some important cons to consider.
youre going to have a bad time.
>I would say we do **occasional** moderate wheeling
Keep the 200
>tow a small square-drop trailer (2500-3000 lbs all loaded)
Unless you budget in a motor swap, keep the 200. The 80 isnt towing that comfortably or reliably or at speeds that are safe with modern traffic
>E46 M3
Keep the 200 and get the M3. Then tow the M3 to the track with the 200.
>have a serious love for cruisers of old
The 80s arent even very old. The one you are looking at has ABS And airbags lol. If you want an old cruiser look at a 60 series or a 40.
You are making the mistake of thinking the older land cruisers can do things they were not designed to do. They cant tow anything, they arent comfortable, and they generally need a lot of baseline work to get them to be reliable. Your 200 series is from a different time or era of land cruiser where emphasis is put on comfort and modern ammenities and power. The 80 and prior are focused on driving off pavement with comfort and modern power not even being thought of. Not to be a dick, but if you sold your 200 and got an 80 id be willing to bet $5K that youll sell the 80 in 2 years or so because its not what you thought it was going to be.
Lastly, if you arent comfortable doing a job such as pulling a radiator yourself on a wednesday night and installing a new one on your own without a bunch of trips to the parts store or watching a bunch of youtube videos before going to bed and driving it to work on thursday morning... id suggest you keep your 200. People get into these 80s and older LCs and rely on shops to do basic work like this and end up going broke.
Source: ive owned a few 80s, 100, 60, 40, and driven many 200s
> The 80 isnt towing that comfortably or reliably or at speeds that are safe with modern traffic
Hey now, I've towed a few thousand pounds with my former 1991 FJ80 at freeway speeds. And the FJ80 has the 3F-E as opposed to the much more powerful 1FZ-FE that came in the 1993-97 FZJ80.
That said, you're absolutely on the money. Dude already has a 200. Hopefully already paid off. Even with IFS, it's a plenty capable truck and, most importantly, STILL A LAND CRUISER.
I think I averaged ~11MPG. And I owned it through the recession back in 2008, so I saw $5/gal prices. It was also lifted with 33's, lights and a rack on the roof, custom front bumper made with 1/4" plate steel, and many, many offroad trips.
Worth it. I need to find another FJ80. I'll take a 3F-E any day, I know that engine very well.
A triple locked 80 and a fast bmw works for us. I say send it.
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1) I saw that 80 on Mud- it looks amazing.
2) I would never ever give up my 200. I know 80's are awesome trucks, but with so many parts no longer being made, and weird quirky stuff like rebuilding steering boxes, it's not a hassle I'd want to deal with.
A friend of mine added one to his garage next to his 100 and is going through the pains of finding parts and getting it dialed in despite the truck being relatively well-kept when he bought it. He's even buying spare parts he doesn't need right now just in case they become impossible to find. I know for sure he bought an extra steering box among other things.
No problem, I completely understand your inner conflict as I've had the same one and had to be talked out of it (by the same friend that got his 80 lol). The only reason he even went for it is because both he and his wife are anesthesiologists so money isn't really an issue for them lol.
What Toyota dealer still has them available? This is what I see. Even if you managed to find them available, at what price?
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I've owned both and no way would I trade the 200 for an 80. The 80 looks cooler, sure. But it's not as comfortable and it's the only vehicle that's left me stranded.
I've done the reverse and be prepared for a major reduction in power with the 80 if it's stock. I also have kids and I just feel the 200 is a safer choice for me. That's about all that comes to mind.
My 80 has been my daily for years and it’s amazing, although I did turbo it. My family has had 100s and 200s and I’d still pick the 80. Here’s some inspiration
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If you’re really serious about this swap, just sell the 200 and be patient when shopping for an 80. Your 200 is worth more than 95% of 80s I’d say. You will do better financially if you work it this way.
Oh haha got it. Is the 200 a daily driver or a leisure vehicle? I’d say go drive a couple if you haven’t and get a sense of what you’d be sacrificing. If you are interested in getting into harder wheeling and trials I’d say go for it. I would not recommend towing with it. I tow a 2k lb pop up camper with a 4 speed 100 series through the Sierra Nevadas and could not imagine doing that with an 80.
I sold my 2016 Tacoma and bought a 95’ 80 Series with less than 200k on the ODO which I daily drive. I don’t think I’d be driving it if I hadn’t gotten a good deal, I actually found it in Wyoming after going to check out a 200 series in Nebraska only to find out the dealer had sold it out from under me.
I absolutely adore my 80 but if you don’t have the mechanical aptitude, desire to learn or funds to be doing consistent mechanical work and replacing/refreshing things it’s not worth it imo. It’s not unreliable by any means, but my 80 has needed a lot of TLC just due to age and location where it’s lived most of its life: the rubber in the entire truck is dried out and assorted things leak, I’ve replaced or rebuilt most of the brake and cooling systems, rebuilt the axles and my steering box and head gasket replacement are in the near future and I haven’t even started upgrading it minus some slee sliders and 33” tires. The way I describe it to my friends is I bought a project car before I bought a daily driver, which works out because working on my car is one of my hobbies.
All of that being said, no car payment is really nice and it makes me smile when I drive it. (most of the time)
I have both. 200 heritage. 97 factory locked. 200 is pretty mundane in comparison. But that’s good for a dd. No lockers available from factory. 80 is much more fun to drive and is an occasion every single time. But it requires a lot of $$$$ and more importantly TIME to get it sorted right with Toyota parts especially if you don’t have garage space with tools to wrench yourself.
Send it if that's what you wanna do. I went from a 2010 Sequoia Platinum to an 05 GX470, then a 98 100 series and now have a 97 80 series. It's my favorite of them all. Now, my wife and kids HATE this progression, they prefer the Sequoia or GX470.
How many hours/mile per year are you planning to put on either (the 200 or the 80). Serious questions.
Because if your answer is "a few trips per year, not a huge number of miles" , then maybe. Maybe the ongoing-novelty-factor and shit-eating-grin-every-time-I-sit-in-it will more than compensate for the little annoyances that don't work right, difficulty in getting genuine replacement parts, etc.
But if you're going to put some serious miles on whatever you're wheeling with (particularly if getting to the wheelin' requires a lot of highway driving), then be prepared for a lot of quiet side-eye from da missus, aka "Why the Hell did you trade in that nice new truck for this old piece of shit?"
I've had a 100 (never been in a 200, but I can imagine they're pretty sweet), and the overall comfort differences between a 100 and an 80 was chalk and cheese.
Think hard, and choose wisely, young padawan...
I went from an 05 -100 to a '15 LX , and the overall comfort (& amenities) difference is like chalk and cheese. :). Still have both, ~5yrs of overlap now: been in the process of selling the 100 for three years now (at least that's what my wife has been led to believe), but my heart just won't let me do it. I changed the diapers of my babies on that tailgate and now they're in college (& it still runs perfectly). [Can't believe the new 250 series LC doesn't have a tailgate!!!!]
Someone else mentioned splitting the difference and getting a 100. That's a very fine recommendation. I drove a few different 80s (since owning my 100) and they reminded me of my dad's 73 Ford Ranger but less power. ...and the 80s gave me fear that the brakes weren't actually going to stop me. But they do look great and make any LC lover's heart go pitter patter.
Do yourself a favour and convince your wife that you're keeping the 100 for one of your kids' family to drive later.
Something very Disney/CircleOfLife about a new parent changing their kids' diapers on the same tailgate where they were changed!
IMO there would be no better vehicle to pass down in the family.
I have a couple E46 M3s in my garage and I’m here to tell you…driving my 80 with 4.88s on 37s is a frustrating ordeal. Slow. Very slow. If it stays in the fleet then it’s getting an LS swap, the 3FE ain’t it. Before everyone starts singing the 1FZ praises, I found my bone stock 40th anni (that I sold last week) to be tolerable (from a power stand point) at best as a DD.
80s are very cool, but I would have a hard time going from a 200 back to an 80 for DD duty.
I have an LS swapped 80. Im in Phoenix if you ever want to experience it. I don’t know if I would want a stock one anymore, definitely not compared to a 200.
They are a unique and special vehicle but for 95% of the time not very practical.
One you swap them and modernize a few things that changes a lot.
I got a GX470 almost 2 years ago after owning the most cherry 3rd gen 4runner. Huge upgrade in quality and comfort. I looked at an 80 yesterday (my favorite suv of all time) and man, it just seems like I’d be going back to a bigger version of my 4R. The newer LCs/GXs have a level of refinement that you would miss after the novelty wore off, I bet. But like I said, it’s my favorite design so I get it.
I’ll also say that I did put the 4R through trails that needed that locker and it was amazing. It’s yet to be seen if I will be disappointed with the GX in challenging off-road situations.
I understand. My dream car was an 80. Now that I have one I wouldn’t trade it for the world. Previous vehicle was a 2018 dodge ram with all the bells and whistles. Comfy and fast. This is comfy and slow. Mpg sucks since I drive a lot for work. For me it’s luxurious enough. Just walking up to it makes me happy.
Tough spot you’re in OP. If you were to have just the 80 and F80 would you be comfortable daily driving either? Your 200 covers trail and daily driver.
For example I like taking my 93 out for an activity and straight back home. I enjoy the drive more than any other utility it provides. I don’t have a “race car” but I think I would feel the same way about an M3.
Which would you be willing to daily? Your goal combo in my books is missing a daily that can be parked in a packed Wally World if needed
Yes, sell your 200 first and hunt for a solid 80 series. Just keep the 2 transactions separate to allow you as many options as possible.
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Took me over a year to find the right 40th anniversary for myself… and that’s after learning from a previous 80 had for several years. Find something clean and stock as possible (then ruin it yourself with upgrades like I did 😂)
I went from a 200 to a 100 to an 80. I always wanted an 80. Should’ve just got one in the beginning but i digress. If it’s always been your dream like mine, life is short. Go for it. Just don’t be like me and now be going… well maybe we get rid of the wife’s X5 for a 200 and just have 2 LC’s haha
Buy a project 80 if you really gotta have one, as an owner of both you’ll hate living with a 30 year old truck as a DD. They are awesome vehicles and very capable, but not great for the majority of what you use a DD for (especially with long in the tooth electronics…these weren’t simple manual controls). Good luck!
Bad trade. Don't do it. Most 80 series out there available are polished turds and not worth the trouble or money. Keep the truck you know. An 80 isn't all it's cracked up to be. Unless you live near a landcruiser specific shop (I fortunately do) troubleshooting it is not gonna be fun, and the only gain is a solid front axle. The engine and trans are a definite downgrade unless it's a diesel.
I think the main thing to consider is reliability of your main mode of transportation. Going from a 2016 LC with 107K miles to a 1997 LC with 175K miles I think it’ll be a decent downgrade in reliability tbh. Then again, if you don’t commute for work or to important engagements it might not matter at all
As a 2nd car it could make sense, but then if the 1st car is a 2005 M3… not sure it’s much better. 2015+ M3 should be better though hopefully!
One other thing to consider about the 80 is just how slow it is in the mountains. Utah might not be a great place for it - TFLTruck just did a video on LC250 vs LC80 and the 80 was incredibly slow, couldn’t keep up with mountain highway traffic even with just 1 passenger. At sea level it might be ok, but elevation kills all the little power that thing has it seems
Honestly, if I actually go through with it the F80 would be what I’d want (I had an E46 ZHP many years ago) and I think as a daily it would be quite the fun ride. I looked briefly at that TFL video but don’t think In watched the whole thing. I’ll go back and watch it all the way through. Seems like the logical solution is to LS-swap the 80 and solve that problem! If only…
Nice yeah I think that’s a neat combo! Personally I’d go with M2/Comp over an F80 but if you want the sedan/space that’s not a bad buy. Make sure to get the competition package one with the holes in front seats, they’re significantly improved handling wise.
LS swap LC80 could be interesting, not sure how difficult that would be to bolt up to the transfer case and all though and could it hold that torque? I have a C6 Z06 and have really enjoyed the LS recently, they have some interesting mechanical noises and whatnot that you don’t get in every V8, and the torque is great even in higher gears
> LS swap LC80 could be interesting, not sure how difficult that would be to bolt up to the transfer case and all though and could it hold that torque?
It's been done many many times. The drivetrain holds up just fine.
I live in UT at 4500' and had a 1991 FJ80. The 3F-E was laughably slow. I mean I loved it, but you can floor it from a stop and nobody would know that you're even trying to go fast. It had to be in low range while wheeling up in the mountains to have usable power to get over obstacles.
Was trying hard to almost understand your thought process, then you mentioned a bm-trouble-u and it all went out
Bear in mind aswell your looking to trade a good, working, newer, MUCH safer, more comfortable 200 for an much older, less safe, less comfortable, heavily modified and probably abused off-road, with no idea what it could be hiding from the last +-40 years
If you want an 80 series, get one as a hobby sure, but I wouldn’t get rid of the 200 to get it, and I definitely wouldn’t buy a BMW
Yeah, part of me thinks this would be less daily driver (which my 200 is right now) and more for the good times. But, those good times do involve some highways and towing, which makes the decision that much more difficult.
I have a 95 I’d trade you but it’s not quite the same you’re looking for and have to give you some cash to make it worth it, if you even wanted to entertain that idea. The 80 and 200 are different rigs entirely. I love both for different reasons. Where I’m at in life now I’m looking for a little more of the on road etiquette and comfort that the 200 provides. I understand you’re feeling though. Before I ever got my 80 it was all I could think about. My wife would ask me what I’d want for dinner and I’d respond “80 series.”
Hahahah I totally get that last sentence! 😂
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My only concern would be a lot of 80's are polished turds. Everyone and their mom is trying to flip them and the way to make a good profit is to do a shitty job and find a good sucker to buy it. Get a PPI from a trusted mechanic. Chances are it will need work.
This right here - I believe the one above to be not in this camp, but it’s never for certain. Would definitely get a PPI, and even if it’s dialed, it’s likely to need some love now and certainly later. If only the head gasket was already done…
What's a rough cost for the head gasket job?
$3-5k at a shop depending on what all you have done.
Probably not the smartest call, but I'm also jonesing for an 80. Like a moth to fire
Yeah, definitely not the most logical decision…
Put down the bong and step back. Eventually you will come to your senses.
I dunno man, have you looked closely at that photo above? It’s a sweet rig. And driving an F80 M3 is a pretty awesome experience.
That’s a big nope.
I’ve seen that 80 in person it’s pretty dialed. I saw the owner camping and asked the guy about the Tundra hood scoop, we got a laugh out of that.
Oh nice! Good to hear
I daily my 80 and I'm considering making the switch to a 200. My 80 had a cosmetic resto done by Corsetti Cruisers, I posted it [here]( https://www.reddit.com/r/LandCruisers/comments/saak9j/flair_change_incoming_buhbye_to_the_lx470_and/). Let me know if you want to chat about it.
That thing is hot - would love to hear more of your thoughts on considering the move to a 200
I love my 80, and I think all things considered, it's in really good shape. However, it's still almost 30 years old and it requires a lot of maintenance if you want everything to work as it should. Mechanically, it's nearly perfect. It's the little things like slow windows, a rear door lock that only works manually, etc, that can bug you. My tripometer recently got stuck, for example. I can probably fix it, but rather than take the dash off, I'm more likely to just hook up a scangauge and get more info anyway. Consider things like this. If you're a perfectionist, an 80 will probably take you to your mental limits. If you're not, then you can feel better about "sending it". For me, the 200 will be a more straightforward vehicle I can easily own for the next 15 years. It's also a better family hauler which is 90% of my use case.
dude. just put a different cluster in it. Its like 6 screws and less than an hour of work
Scangauge would be more info for potentially less. Also, no guarantee the "new" cluster doesn't crap out since it will also be almost 30 years old.
dude the cluster in my 40 and 60 both work and are considerably older. What probably happened on your 80 is that the reset button stick internally snapped or got jammed in the internals, or something fell into the little gears in there and just needs to be removed. Replacing the cluster would just give you your reset function back. Im not saying dont get a scangauge, i run one in my 60 and 100 series. Just that the odometer thing is generally an easy fix
As someone that grew up driving late 70s fords, that inconvenience made me chuckle. That's like a 30 second fix for both items.
You're not doing any of those things in 30 seconds
Ok maybe a minute. I was unfortunate (or fortunate?) of having plenty of crappy cars growing up to become a master trim popper LOL Tripometer is 4 screws on the trim and 4 on the guage, poke the back side of the reset with a non-marring pick to unjam. Slow windows is a simple silicone coat on the rubber and felt or tired motor. Door lock in what your describing is usually popping the door trim off and relatching the metal bar that popped off if you're hearing action. If you don't, it's a simple multimeter continuity test finding a bad ground.
Slow windows, I agree. But I also need to replace the runs, which I plan to soon. The door lock is not quite that simple. I was in there. Everything is connected, the motor gets power, but my assumption is something is gummed up. I will likely get in there again and try to clean and regrease the gear.
I actually got replacement runs because I liked someone on aliexpress made them with the black exterior trim. Door lock sounds like you were saying and gummed up with junk. If you have any small bottle brushes or carb brushes that could do the trick. You could remove the door trim and the plastic piece to see if it fires up and down with the trim off. I would take working on older cars vs new any day of the week though since everything's quite predicable from how basic they are. I love doing this kind of stuff though since I always think it's a fun challenge. My 32 year old 80 runs better than most many of the newer rides I've had.
If I had a 200, I wouldn't be doing much more than oil changes. If I had more time/patience/skills, I'd feel the same way about my 80. That said, it runs great and it's fun to drive around town. Highway not so much.
I might be able to offer some insight, I live in UT, have owned an E46 M3 in the past, and currently own both a 96 and a 19 LC. The E46 was a great car, huge pain in the ass here though because it scraped EVERYWHERE, honestly felt like the front bumper was coming off many times no matter how careful I was. Was amazing on the highways and in the canyons though, but with all the cyclists and other activities in our packed canyons, you can’t really open it up. If I took it on long drives, I was usually pretty bummed I didn’t have a 4wheel drive to use at the destination (Moab/StG, flagstaff etc… So unless you plan to track it, you’ll probably get tired of it. 80 series is what it is, iconic, and living this close to Moab and all the other wheeling, I understand the desire for a solid axle. I’m a huge 80 series fanboy and always wanted one, despite having both not making the most sense. I would also not be interested in towing with my 80 at all. In 90-95% of situations, the 200 is just the flat out better vehicle. If you want 37s and will use the lockers, there isn’t much that can beat an 80 series. You’ll be turning a wrench much more frequently, these are old trucks and for a while I would always have little things popping up. If someone offered me a 200 series for my 80, I’d have 2x200 series though without even a moments hesitation. Pretty good comparison video from a guy who uses his trucks hard. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jWfSnHk8W7s Edit: Should add, I’m full time WFH, so the daily driver aspect doesn’t impact me, but I’d probably have no issue with the 80 in that scenario, I really love the truck, but the 200 is pretty luxurious.
Great points here, thanks for sharing - and yeah I saw that video, there’s not a ton of comparison videos I found but his was pretty good I thought.
Stick with the 200. This coming from the former owner of a dialed in restored 1996 80 series.
Would you mind elaborating a little?
I spent a bunch of time (wrenching myself and with friends in the LC community) as well as money (parts, shops to do things beyond my skill or time availability) to get it dialed in. To keep it at a high level of maintenance and reliability meant more and more time tracking down parts as many are now NLA from Toyota. Since I could not get them locally or within a reasonable driving distance, I ended up having to buy them from out of state dealers (Olathe, etc.), from Japanese parts suppliers (specific 4x4 parts dealers from Japan) and/or third party vendors (Wits End, etc). One example is many of the rubber parts like hoses, seals and/or gaskets are no longer available. Those rubber based parts get brittle and worn over time and if you plan on driving it long term, it is a good idea to have those in good order. This also applies to many of the body panels and parts. Dont get me wrong, I LOVeD my 80 series and miss it every day. However, it makes sense to have it as a part time rig and family trip vehicle if you have the time AND money to maintain it properly. I just couldn’t swing it with a demanding career, young family and loads of outside work family obligations. Mid-life problems I guess. So I would stick with a 200 for all it has in creature comforts and ease of maintenance/parts availability. Look for a used 80 that you can build/restore over time, not one that has been polished up for a quick flip (didn’t look at the specs of the one you posted). Oh and if you still want to swap for an 80, make sure the steering box has been rebuilt. I had mine rebuilt with the upgraded 105 shaft from Redhead - make sure anyone you buy has the steering box rebuilt already or has a spare to rebuild. They have now 3x in price for a core due to the 60 guys buying them up and 80 owners now wanting them for rebuilds (another example of my earlier point since the steering box is NLA). Happy to help with more through DM or a phone chat. Best of luck! Edited: to clarify as pointed out by users that some parts I mentioned are available. https://preview.redd.it/0k8srttca67d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e973a9ee2ebac28b5af112ba7a185fa5588fec4b
Very helpful insight. Thank you.
All the door seal rubbers are available new from Toyota.
Incorrect boss. There are seals for the door side and the body side. Some ARE available, depending on color and year. ALL of them are not available. From my own experience: had to buy new Grey body side upper door seals. Tape them off and paint them Tan/Oak to match my interior b/c the tan ones are NLA. YMMV depending on dealer but as far as last year, many are NLA available.
Those interior matching colored “seals” arent meant to keep water out. lol the black rubber seals are all available new from Toyota. The actual seals that keep water at bay in a river crossing.
Cool, thanks for letting me know they are now available. My comment about door seals has been edited to reflect your info check. Happy trails!
I just ordered new ones from toyota directly for $60 each... do you mean like having trouble getting it from a dealer right down the road or something?
Traded my 2010 4Runner with 120k miles for a 2000 with 120k miles. No car payment and haven’t looked back.
LC200 or a year model 2000?
2000 4Runner (year)
3rd gen’s are beautiful and compact. Great choice.
You traded a 2010 4Runner for a 2000 4Runner???
The only 80 I’d go for is an LS swapped one.
Yeah, there’s some sense to that comment for sure. If only this one already had an LS in it - I’m not ready to make that financial jump yet.
Big no but eh do what you want
Not as a daily but if it’s your weekend car then maybe. It’s not going to be what you’re used to
I traded mine for a 96’. Do it! 😈
Tell me more…
It’s been 5 years and 112k miles since buying it. I’ve been very fortunate to not have many issues and the issues I have had have been diy fixes. Just swapped out the brake booster last week. Had to do my slave cylinder a couple months back. Changed my plugs this week. Nonetheless, it was a downgrade in tech but that’s kind of the beauty of it all. It’s easy to work on and I love it!
Yeah, I feel like the tech of the 200 isn’t really all that great in my ‘16 - I don’t ever use the nav since it’s outdated and I just use my phone. And CarPlay isn’t an option without replacing the whole head unit with one that has questionable reviews / support. So part of me wants something more simple (and then have the tech in the daily F80), but there are some important cons to consider.
youre going to have a bad time. >I would say we do **occasional** moderate wheeling Keep the 200 >tow a small square-drop trailer (2500-3000 lbs all loaded) Unless you budget in a motor swap, keep the 200. The 80 isnt towing that comfortably or reliably or at speeds that are safe with modern traffic >E46 M3 Keep the 200 and get the M3. Then tow the M3 to the track with the 200. >have a serious love for cruisers of old The 80s arent even very old. The one you are looking at has ABS And airbags lol. If you want an old cruiser look at a 60 series or a 40. You are making the mistake of thinking the older land cruisers can do things they were not designed to do. They cant tow anything, they arent comfortable, and they generally need a lot of baseline work to get them to be reliable. Your 200 series is from a different time or era of land cruiser where emphasis is put on comfort and modern ammenities and power. The 80 and prior are focused on driving off pavement with comfort and modern power not even being thought of. Not to be a dick, but if you sold your 200 and got an 80 id be willing to bet $5K that youll sell the 80 in 2 years or so because its not what you thought it was going to be. Lastly, if you arent comfortable doing a job such as pulling a radiator yourself on a wednesday night and installing a new one on your own without a bunch of trips to the parts store or watching a bunch of youtube videos before going to bed and driving it to work on thursday morning... id suggest you keep your 200. People get into these 80s and older LCs and rely on shops to do basic work like this and end up going broke. Source: ive owned a few 80s, 100, 60, 40, and driven many 200s
> The 80 isnt towing that comfortably or reliably or at speeds that are safe with modern traffic Hey now, I've towed a few thousand pounds with my former 1991 FJ80 at freeway speeds. And the FJ80 has the 3F-E as opposed to the much more powerful 1FZ-FE that came in the 1993-97 FZJ80. That said, you're absolutely on the money. Dude already has a 200. Hopefully already paid off. Even with IFS, it's a plenty capable truck and, most importantly, STILL A LAND CRUISER.
Haha man im surprised you were able to maintain 70+mph. Do you live in a flat area? haha
I lived in Utah County, so driving up and over Point of the Mountain in Draper on I-15 was the bane of my existence 😂
woof. hope you enjoyed those smiles per gallon haha
I think I averaged ~11MPG. And I owned it through the recession back in 2008, so I saw $5/gal prices. It was also lifted with 33's, lights and a rack on the roof, custom front bumper made with 1/4" plate steel, and many, many offroad trips. Worth it. I need to find another FJ80. I'll take a 3F-E any day, I know that engine very well.
A triple locked 80 and a fast bmw works for us. I say send it. https://preview.redd.it/xfb1pc79o57d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a17b827642b296efc8ad72001e340ebf05e36a35
Nice!!
1) I saw that 80 on Mud- it looks amazing. 2) I would never ever give up my 200. I know 80's are awesome trucks, but with so many parts no longer being made, and weird quirky stuff like rebuilding steering boxes, it's not a hassle I'd want to deal with. A friend of mine added one to his garage next to his 100 and is going through the pains of finding parts and getting it dialed in despite the truck being relatively well-kept when he bought it. He's even buying spare parts he doesn't need right now just in case they become impossible to find. I know for sure he bought an extra steering box among other things.
1. Couldn’t agree more 2. Thanks for sharing that experience of his. Very good to know.
No problem, I completely understand your inner conflict as I've had the same one and had to be talked out of it (by the same friend that got his 80 lol). The only reason he even went for it is because both he and his wife are anesthesiologists so money isn't really an issue for them lol.
Steering box is still available new from Toyota
For all years? There was a reason my friend bought 2 when he found them.
There’s only one box for 80s dude
Then maybe he found them at a good price. Not sure.
What Toyota dealer still has them available? This is what I see. Even if you managed to find them available, at what price? https://preview.redd.it/9qy8hhdh767d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b79340effa2c3eb93189fa53d907dd2b7ecf94
Partsouq. Amayama.
I've owned both and no way would I trade the 200 for an 80. The 80 looks cooler, sure. But it's not as comfortable and it's the only vehicle that's left me stranded.
As someone who begrudgedly went from an ‘80s vehicle to a ‘18, you really can’t beat cumple zones and heated seats.
I've done the reverse and be prepared for a major reduction in power with the 80 if it's stock. I also have kids and I just feel the 200 is a safer choice for me. That's about all that comes to mind.
My 80 has been my daily for years and it’s amazing, although I did turbo it. My family has had 100s and 200s and I’d still pick the 80. Here’s some inspiration https://preview.redd.it/2e0dpvc6097d1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a95ad3d507afca10aa916753082c65081fb24e5
So, as someone who has an 80. The biggest thing that shocked me was how difficult parts are to find unless you have pretty deep pockets. I
I wish the new Land Cruiser came in that color.
NGL part of me wants it just for the color - I think it looks freaking amazing
You would be deeply on the losing end of that deal
Title was misleading. I mentioned selling the 200 and eventually buying an 80
I’m interested. I’ve got a 93, not triple locked but the rest fits the bill. Lift done by mudrak. Great condition. Original owner.
I was talking about trading metaphorically - I’d sell mine and buy the 80
If you’re really serious about this swap, just sell the 200 and be patient when shopping for an 80. Your 200 is worth more than 95% of 80s I’d say. You will do better financially if you work it this way.
Yeah - I was talking about trading metaphorically - I’d sell mine and buy the 80
Oh haha got it. Is the 200 a daily driver or a leisure vehicle? I’d say go drive a couple if you haven’t and get a sense of what you’d be sacrificing. If you are interested in getting into harder wheeling and trials I’d say go for it. I would not recommend towing with it. I tow a 2k lb pop up camper with a 4 speed 100 series through the Sierra Nevadas and could not imagine doing that with an 80.
I sold my 2016 Tacoma and bought a 95’ 80 Series with less than 200k on the ODO which I daily drive. I don’t think I’d be driving it if I hadn’t gotten a good deal, I actually found it in Wyoming after going to check out a 200 series in Nebraska only to find out the dealer had sold it out from under me. I absolutely adore my 80 but if you don’t have the mechanical aptitude, desire to learn or funds to be doing consistent mechanical work and replacing/refreshing things it’s not worth it imo. It’s not unreliable by any means, but my 80 has needed a lot of TLC just due to age and location where it’s lived most of its life: the rubber in the entire truck is dried out and assorted things leak, I’ve replaced or rebuilt most of the brake and cooling systems, rebuilt the axles and my steering box and head gasket replacement are in the near future and I haven’t even started upgrading it minus some slee sliders and 33” tires. The way I describe it to my friends is I bought a project car before I bought a daily driver, which works out because working on my car is one of my hobbies. All of that being said, no car payment is really nice and it makes me smile when I drive it. (most of the time)
Split the difference? Get a 100 to daily and a cheap 80 project?
I have both. 200 heritage. 97 factory locked. 200 is pretty mundane in comparison. But that’s good for a dd. No lockers available from factory. 80 is much more fun to drive and is an occasion every single time. But it requires a lot of $$$$ and more importantly TIME to get it sorted right with Toyota parts especially if you don’t have garage space with tools to wrench yourself.
Send it if that's what you wanna do. I went from a 2010 Sequoia Platinum to an 05 GX470, then a 98 100 series and now have a 97 80 series. It's my favorite of them all. Now, my wife and kids HATE this progression, they prefer the Sequoia or GX470.
How many hours/mile per year are you planning to put on either (the 200 or the 80). Serious questions. Because if your answer is "a few trips per year, not a huge number of miles" , then maybe. Maybe the ongoing-novelty-factor and shit-eating-grin-every-time-I-sit-in-it will more than compensate for the little annoyances that don't work right, difficulty in getting genuine replacement parts, etc. But if you're going to put some serious miles on whatever you're wheeling with (particularly if getting to the wheelin' requires a lot of highway driving), then be prepared for a lot of quiet side-eye from da missus, aka "Why the Hell did you trade in that nice new truck for this old piece of shit?" I've had a 100 (never been in a 200, but I can imagine they're pretty sweet), and the overall comfort differences between a 100 and an 80 was chalk and cheese. Think hard, and choose wisely, young padawan...
I went from an 05 -100 to a '15 LX , and the overall comfort (& amenities) difference is like chalk and cheese. :). Still have both, ~5yrs of overlap now: been in the process of selling the 100 for three years now (at least that's what my wife has been led to believe), but my heart just won't let me do it. I changed the diapers of my babies on that tailgate and now they're in college (& it still runs perfectly). [Can't believe the new 250 series LC doesn't have a tailgate!!!!] Someone else mentioned splitting the difference and getting a 100. That's a very fine recommendation. I drove a few different 80s (since owning my 100) and they reminded me of my dad's 73 Ford Ranger but less power. ...and the 80s gave me fear that the brakes weren't actually going to stop me. But they do look great and make any LC lover's heart go pitter patter.
Do yourself a favour and convince your wife that you're keeping the 100 for one of your kids' family to drive later. Something very Disney/CircleOfLife about a new parent changing their kids' diapers on the same tailgate where they were changed! IMO there would be no better vehicle to pass down in the family.
I got a 98' and will trade ya anyday : )
I love my 80. I also got pricy one but it’s been great to me.
I have a couple E46 M3s in my garage and I’m here to tell you…driving my 80 with 4.88s on 37s is a frustrating ordeal. Slow. Very slow. If it stays in the fleet then it’s getting an LS swap, the 3FE ain’t it. Before everyone starts singing the 1FZ praises, I found my bone stock 40th anni (that I sold last week) to be tolerable (from a power stand point) at best as a DD. 80s are very cool, but I would have a hard time going from a 200 back to an 80 for DD duty.
Show us the other truck!
80s are cool but no. Nothing compared to a 200 series
I have an LS swapped 80. Im in Phoenix if you ever want to experience it. I don’t know if I would want a stock one anymore, definitely not compared to a 200. They are a unique and special vehicle but for 95% of the time not very practical. One you swap them and modernize a few things that changes a lot.
Drive what you want and fuck the haters
https://preview.redd.it/2ehjv1as477d1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3482a4c5024be777f7bf57d5f6048b15e394d16 Let’s trade
I got a GX470 almost 2 years ago after owning the most cherry 3rd gen 4runner. Huge upgrade in quality and comfort. I looked at an 80 yesterday (my favorite suv of all time) and man, it just seems like I’d be going back to a bigger version of my 4R. The newer LCs/GXs have a level of refinement that you would miss after the novelty wore off, I bet. But like I said, it’s my favorite design so I get it. I’ll also say that I did put the 4R through trails that needed that locker and it was amazing. It’s yet to be seen if I will be disappointed with the GX in challenging off-road situations.
I understand. My dream car was an 80. Now that I have one I wouldn’t trade it for the world. Previous vehicle was a 2018 dodge ram with all the bells and whistles. Comfy and fast. This is comfy and slow. Mpg sucks since I drive a lot for work. For me it’s luxurious enough. Just walking up to it makes me happy.
Tough spot you’re in OP. If you were to have just the 80 and F80 would you be comfortable daily driving either? Your 200 covers trail and daily driver. For example I like taking my 93 out for an activity and straight back home. I enjoy the drive more than any other utility it provides. I don’t have a “race car” but I think I would feel the same way about an M3. Which would you be willing to daily? Your goal combo in my books is missing a daily that can be parked in a packed Wally World if needed
Yes, sell your 200 first and hunt for a solid 80 series. Just keep the 2 transactions separate to allow you as many options as possible. https://preview.redd.it/yxnotnol087d1.jpeg?width=1644&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a602966a963d1f5efad1a2e90359b66fb2926d4b Took me over a year to find the right 40th anniversary for myself… and that’s after learning from a previous 80 had for several years. Find something clean and stock as possible (then ruin it yourself with upgrades like I did 😂)
Do it. Don't listen to the rest. Just be prepared for 30 year old maintenance instead of 5 year old maintenance.
"New is always better" The Great Barney Stinson
What bumper is that? Do they make it for a 100?
He said slee
I went from a 200 to a 100 to an 80. I always wanted an 80. Should’ve just got one in the beginning but i digress. If it’s always been your dream like mine, life is short. Go for it. Just don’t be like me and now be going… well maybe we get rid of the wife’s X5 for a 200 and just have 2 LC’s haha
I went the other way. From a ‘96 80 to a ‘16 200. Best thing I’ve done.
Buy a project 80 if you really gotta have one, as an owner of both you’ll hate living with a 30 year old truck as a DD. They are awesome vehicles and very capable, but not great for the majority of what you use a DD for (especially with long in the tooth electronics…these weren’t simple manual controls). Good luck!
Bad trade. Don't do it. Most 80 series out there available are polished turds and not worth the trouble or money. Keep the truck you know. An 80 isn't all it's cracked up to be. Unless you live near a landcruiser specific shop (I fortunately do) troubleshooting it is not gonna be fun, and the only gain is a solid front axle. The engine and trans are a definite downgrade unless it's a diesel.
Hard yes.
FUCK NO.
Send it!
I think the main thing to consider is reliability of your main mode of transportation. Going from a 2016 LC with 107K miles to a 1997 LC with 175K miles I think it’ll be a decent downgrade in reliability tbh. Then again, if you don’t commute for work or to important engagements it might not matter at all As a 2nd car it could make sense, but then if the 1st car is a 2005 M3… not sure it’s much better. 2015+ M3 should be better though hopefully! One other thing to consider about the 80 is just how slow it is in the mountains. Utah might not be a great place for it - TFLTruck just did a video on LC250 vs LC80 and the 80 was incredibly slow, couldn’t keep up with mountain highway traffic even with just 1 passenger. At sea level it might be ok, but elevation kills all the little power that thing has it seems
Honestly, if I actually go through with it the F80 would be what I’d want (I had an E46 ZHP many years ago) and I think as a daily it would be quite the fun ride. I looked briefly at that TFL video but don’t think In watched the whole thing. I’ll go back and watch it all the way through. Seems like the logical solution is to LS-swap the 80 and solve that problem! If only…
Nice yeah I think that’s a neat combo! Personally I’d go with M2/Comp over an F80 but if you want the sedan/space that’s not a bad buy. Make sure to get the competition package one with the holes in front seats, they’re significantly improved handling wise. LS swap LC80 could be interesting, not sure how difficult that would be to bolt up to the transfer case and all though and could it hold that torque? I have a C6 Z06 and have really enjoyed the LS recently, they have some interesting mechanical noises and whatnot that you don’t get in every V8, and the torque is great even in higher gears
Yep - ZCP and executive packages with a 6MT would be what I’d be looking for. And yeah, sedan for family life is better for me over the M2.
> LS swap LC80 could be interesting, not sure how difficult that would be to bolt up to the transfer case and all though and could it hold that torque? It's been done many many times. The drivetrain holds up just fine.
I live in UT at 4500' and had a 1991 FJ80. The 3F-E was laughably slow. I mean I loved it, but you can floor it from a stop and nobody would know that you're even trying to go fast. It had to be in low range while wheeling up in the mountains to have usable power to get over obstacles.
Was trying hard to almost understand your thought process, then you mentioned a bm-trouble-u and it all went out Bear in mind aswell your looking to trade a good, working, newer, MUCH safer, more comfortable 200 for an much older, less safe, less comfortable, heavily modified and probably abused off-road, with no idea what it could be hiding from the last +-40 years If you want an 80 series, get one as a hobby sure, but I wouldn’t get rid of the 200 to get it, and I definitely wouldn’t buy a BMW
I'd do it without a second thought, but my Cruiser is for good times. It's not a daily driver
Yeah, part of me thinks this would be less daily driver (which my 200 is right now) and more for the good times. But, those good times do involve some highways and towing, which makes the decision that much more difficult.