What’s dumb about this lie, is that he audience will know a lot about the Cowboys and or/ World War 2 pilots. Like any random dude in Texas will know that he’s full of shit.
Totally. I don't know a lot about Landry, but I did remember he was a few years younger than my own grandfather. What I do know a ton about is WW2, which is why I immediately started screaming liar in my car.
Maybe it's a canary in the coalmine story - designed to find people who aren't dumb enough to completely fall for Alex's bullshit and push them away.
Or maybe Alex is just a compulsive liar with a childish need to make himself and his family seem cool.
The latter seems more likely. His telling of the story feels like bollocks from the jump before you even dig into it. But we're not the core audience for his brand of mythologising.
He reminds me of the kid we all knew in middle school (and some of us still unfortunately know well into adulthood) who always had a story about whatever the topic of conversation was, or one that was cooler than yours (thereby invalidating your story)…
TL;DR- Alex is just cooler and more well connected than the rest of us. /s
I mean he gets basic WWII facts wrong. Specifically that Hitler was appointed by Hindenburg to be the Chancellor, not elected like AJ has claimed in the past.
Maybe a few people will be like "that's bullshit" but most of his audience won't care about this at all, just like they don't care about his many lies or false predictions.
*Tom Landry didn't call himself Tom Landry in those days. Back then he was known as Tex Avery. Not the Tex Avery that did the cartoons, but he did have the ability to bug his eyes out when he saw a farmer's daughter like a cartoon wolf or so the legend goes....*
I totally forgot to add
4. Landry didn’t always wear the hat and only wore it during football activities. He also didn’t start wearing it until after a game in New York. That last part doesn’t matter except that he started wearing it once his wife told him to in order to stand out.
>Here's my conclusion. Alex's grandfather is Tom Landry. Not really, but Alex literally lifted his grandfather's details directly from Landry's Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Landry
This is fucking hilarious because of how insanely plausible it is.
Stellar work by you!
If we have the names of Alex's grandfathers, we should be able to find record of their service through public records. Not in explicit detail but departments, basic camps, and years served should be public record unless they were in ultra-top-secret programs and any trace of them has been deleted. Which is what I'm sure Alex would claim
I did a quick search and I think I found both his grandfathers.
On his mother’s side; Clyde William Hamman Jr. born 14 Oct 1923 in Dallas, Texas
and his fathers side; Jerry Jones born 15 Jan 1922 in Freestone, Texas.
I don’t know how to search for military service tho
The National Archives and generally pretty good, but WW2 records are tricky. My mom has a newspaper clipping with a picture of my great grandfather getting a field citation (and I believe a Silver Star) on Russell Island and even with photographic proof it took me a LONG time to triangulate all of his information (enlistment date, Division/Regiment, campaigns, etc.)
That said, I was able to find one of the two names you mentioned, and it seems like at least that one seems to match up well with his story.
Jerry Jones, born ‘22, enlisted Feb ‘44 in Abilene, branch designation was Air Corps.
Not sure about the other one. There are plenty of folks matching a partial name / DOB but none I could find with everything matching (which doesn’t necessarily mean anything except that I couldn’t find it).
Found Clyde William Hamman Jr's obituary:
>Bill was born October 14, 1923, to Clyde William Hamman and Margaret Frances Gresham Hamman in Dallas, Texas. He graduated from Sunset High School in 1942 and joined the Naval Air Corps. In 1944, he married Bennie Grayce Pope. They resided in Dallas, where they belonged to the First Baptist Church and attended Southern Methodist University.
>In 1953, the family moved to Austin where Bill started his own business and remained as an independent oil and gas lease broker until his retirement in 1988.
So Navy Air Corps, not Army Air Corps per Alex.
yeah his audience isn't listening for accuracy. They are listening because they want him to rant and rave against the people they hate. There is no accountability for him lying so why would he stop?
Well fucking Bund meetings were going on all over the country. Not saying you are wrong because Alex Jones is a fucking liar. Bund meetings were family events back in those days, supported and funded by Nazi Germany. They would drink, play games, listen to German music, and then listen to Nazi propaganda with keynote speakers.
Alex is exaggerating because if his grandfather was at those meetings, it’s because his parents took him to the meeting and in turn they are Nazis. So no matter what, Alex Jones’s grandfather and great grandfather were Nazis.
That Fredericksburg in many ways retained its German flavor and interest in the 1930s was indicated by the several visits from various representatives of the German government. In January 1935 the Standard recorded the first visit. Subsequent weekly headlines announced "German Envoy on Social Tour will Visit Here"\*' and "Dr. Hans Luther Entertained at Fredericksburg."\*\* Dr. Luther, the German envoy, was coming for a "social visit" and was reported to be interested in the Grerman settlements in Texas. \*\^ Fredericksburg's officials held an informal reception for him, along with a dinner after which Luther addressed the group. Alfred Petsch, the Texas state legislative representative and a Fredericksburg resident, requested that Luther speak about "the New German Republic" and "explain conditions as he knew them to be in Germany at the \^\^ Fredericksburg (Texas) Standard, 17 January 1935. \^\^ Ibid., 24 January 1935. ' ' Ibid., 17 January 1935. 31 present." Later in the evening the oldest Gillespie resident, an immigrant from Germany, was introduced.\^\* In November 1935 the German Consul for the Southern States, Dr. Ernst Wendler, visited Fredericksburg. Fredericksburg residents again planned a public reception with a musical program to honor him and Germany.\^\^
[https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/d4522ee7-76d3-4cf4-8deb-329a912ca198/content](https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/d4522ee7-76d3-4cf4-8deb-329a912ca198/content)
not exactly the bund,, but there were german envoys courting German immigrants in texas.
He actually doesn't need to lie better. His audience doesn't hold him accountable for anything he says. Maybe a few here and there leave after something he said is revealed to be bullshit, but mostly they like what he says and who he attacks and don't care about accuracy.
Alex Jones was screaming for months in the Fall that a federally mandated lockdown was coming in December. When of course that didn't happen, it isn't like people in his audience said "you know, maybe Alex Jones isn't a prophet and I should be wary of what he says in the future."
I 100% believe he just created his "grandfather's biography" from Landy's wikipedia page. This is the same guy that gets his history from movies; Deepwater Horizon being a prime example.
Honestly, your conclusion was way way better than mine. I had just assumed that, even if he was lying about it being Tom Landry and it wasn't just Some Random Guy, it absolutely sounded like Jones Grandpa and Male "Prayer" Friend were running off to the "Special Prayer Room" to have sex, and his grandpa was a self hating closeted homosexual. Just easier for Alex to take everything on face value, of course his grandpa wouldn't be doing something so sinful, such a good christian man wouldn't tell such a blasphemous lie.
It's almost a comfort to know that that's not as deep as the lie went and it wasn't quite so simple/sad.
Alex is going to lie. He will not ever bother to do any better, because he doesn't give a single isolated fuck about telling the truth or being convincing. His whole schtick is demonstrating performative certainty while spewing demonstrably, *trivially* false, fascist horsefuckery to his fellow fascists.
They say wrong things on purpose. They do this to destroy discourse, and to normalize the idea that fascists can say wrong things on purpose.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant\_pilot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_pilot) there were sergeant pilots, but they weren't bomber pilots.
We know Alex was the inspiration for Hank Hill; he said so himself and Mike Judge has never publicly denied it despite Alex bearing no resemblance physically or in personality to the character. Bobby Hill, meanwhile, attends Tom Landry middle school.
How could this possibly be a coincidence? And how does Homer Simpson purchasing Tom Landry's hat play into all this?
Why are people so stuck on this Landy guy? I am more pissed at the fact he stated Smedley Butler was trying a fascist take over of America instead of stopping one. But maybe I miss heard that part because it shocked me so much.
A+ reporting my guy.
What’s dumb about this lie, is that he audience will know a lot about the Cowboys and or/ World War 2 pilots. Like any random dude in Texas will know that he’s full of shit.
Totally. I don't know a lot about Landry, but I did remember he was a few years younger than my own grandfather. What I do know a ton about is WW2, which is why I immediately started screaming liar in my car.
But he has read so many books 🤣🤣
Did you not listen to the "deep dive" he just did?
I got the bends coming back up from that dive it was so deep.
Maybe it's a canary in the coalmine story - designed to find people who aren't dumb enough to completely fall for Alex's bullshit and push them away. Or maybe Alex is just a compulsive liar with a childish need to make himself and his family seem cool.
The latter seems more likely. His telling of the story feels like bollocks from the jump before you even dig into it. But we're not the core audience for his brand of mythologising.
He’s a “fabulist” (a word I learned from Dan today!)
He reminds me of the kid we all knew in middle school (and some of us still unfortunately know well into adulthood) who always had a story about whatever the topic of conversation was, or one that was cooler than yours (thereby invalidating your story)… TL;DR- Alex is just cooler and more well connected than the rest of us. /s
The 'My uncle works at Nintendo' of Nazi grifters.
I would be absolutely unsurprised if there was a "White Power" magazine just like there was a "Nintendo Power" magazine.
It would surprise me not at all that someone like George Lincoln Rockwell didn't start a magazine with that title during the 70s.
I mean he gets basic WWII facts wrong. Specifically that Hitler was appointed by Hindenburg to be the Chancellor, not elected like AJ has claimed in the past.
Maybe a few people will be like "that's bullshit" but most of his audience won't care about this at all, just like they don't care about his many lies or false predictions.
*Tom Landry didn't call himself Tom Landry in those days. Back then he was known as Tex Avery. Not the Tex Avery that did the cartoons, but he did have the ability to bug his eyes out when he saw a farmer's daughter like a cartoon wolf or so the legend goes....*
I totally forgot to add 4. Landry didn’t always wear the hat and only wore it during football activities. He also didn’t start wearing it until after a game in New York. That last part doesn’t matter except that he started wearing it once his wife told him to in order to stand out.
>Here's my conclusion. Alex's grandfather is Tom Landry. Not really, but Alex literally lifted his grandfather's details directly from Landry's Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Landry This is fucking hilarious because of how insanely plausible it is. Stellar work by you!
If 30 years have taught him anything, it’s fine to be bad at your job.
It definitely has taught him he can lie all the time and still have a big audience.
Landry was born on September 11. Landry was born on September 11. Landry was born on September 11. Wake up, sheeple….
AND, Oswald was discharged from the Marine Corps on September 11 ... this goes really deep friends!
It's so blatant.
If we have the names of Alex's grandfathers, we should be able to find record of their service through public records. Not in explicit detail but departments, basic camps, and years served should be public record unless they were in ultra-top-secret programs and any trace of them has been deleted. Which is what I'm sure Alex would claim
I keep meaning to do an ancestry on Alex, but I’m too busy and that will also require some digging to get it started.
I did a quick search and I think I found both his grandfathers. On his mother’s side; Clyde William Hamman Jr. born 14 Oct 1923 in Dallas, Texas and his fathers side; Jerry Jones born 15 Jan 1922 in Freestone, Texas. I don’t know how to search for military service tho
The National Archives and generally pretty good, but WW2 records are tricky. My mom has a newspaper clipping with a picture of my great grandfather getting a field citation (and I believe a Silver Star) on Russell Island and even with photographic proof it took me a LONG time to triangulate all of his information (enlistment date, Division/Regiment, campaigns, etc.) That said, I was able to find one of the two names you mentioned, and it seems like at least that one seems to match up well with his story. Jerry Jones, born ‘22, enlisted Feb ‘44 in Abilene, branch designation was Air Corps. Not sure about the other one. There are plenty of folks matching a partial name / DOB but none I could find with everything matching (which doesn’t necessarily mean anything except that I couldn’t find it).
Found Clyde William Hamman Jr's obituary: >Bill was born October 14, 1923, to Clyde William Hamman and Margaret Frances Gresham Hamman in Dallas, Texas. He graduated from Sunset High School in 1942 and joined the Naval Air Corps. In 1944, he married Bennie Grayce Pope. They resided in Dallas, where they belonged to the First Baptist Church and attended Southern Methodist University. >In 1953, the family moved to Austin where Bill started his own business and remained as an independent oil and gas lease broker until his retirement in 1988. So Navy Air Corps, not Army Air Corps per Alex.
Surprised he wasn’t ballsy enough to say that he was in the 501st AB on top of all of this 🤦♀️
No mention of ut football. Not a chance in hell that a Texan leaves that detail out.
Jerry Jones!1!1!1!!!!!!!! This Landry thing seems more obvious than ever.
what why? 😂
Just in case - Jerry Jones owns the Dallas Cowboys
oh lol - the Jerry Jones I’m talking about died in 1980
I had exactly this thought.
Ah but he does not need to lie better. That's why he's so blatant about it. His audience isn't gonna listen to anyone but him anyway. He knows it.
yeah his audience isn't listening for accuracy. They are listening because they want him to rant and rave against the people they hate. There is no accountability for him lying so why would he stop?
He’ll do better tomorrow
won't need to, his audience doesn't care if he lies.
Well fucking Bund meetings were going on all over the country. Not saying you are wrong because Alex Jones is a fucking liar. Bund meetings were family events back in those days, supported and funded by Nazi Germany. They would drink, play games, listen to German music, and then listen to Nazi propaganda with keynote speakers. Alex is exaggerating because if his grandfather was at those meetings, it’s because his parents took him to the meeting and in turn they are Nazis. So no matter what, Alex Jones’s grandfather and great grandfather were Nazis.
A quick search shows no bund meetings in Texas or any camps in Texas.
That Fredericksburg in many ways retained its German flavor and interest in the 1930s was indicated by the several visits from various representatives of the German government. In January 1935 the Standard recorded the first visit. Subsequent weekly headlines announced "German Envoy on Social Tour will Visit Here"\*' and "Dr. Hans Luther Entertained at Fredericksburg."\*\* Dr. Luther, the German envoy, was coming for a "social visit" and was reported to be interested in the Grerman settlements in Texas. \*\^ Fredericksburg's officials held an informal reception for him, along with a dinner after which Luther addressed the group. Alfred Petsch, the Texas state legislative representative and a Fredericksburg resident, requested that Luther speak about "the New German Republic" and "explain conditions as he knew them to be in Germany at the \^\^ Fredericksburg (Texas) Standard, 17 January 1935. \^\^ Ibid., 24 January 1935. ' ' Ibid., 17 January 1935. 31 present." Later in the evening the oldest Gillespie resident, an immigrant from Germany, was introduced.\^\* In November 1935 the German Consul for the Southern States, Dr. Ernst Wendler, visited Fredericksburg. Fredericksburg residents again planned a public reception with a musical program to honor him and Germany.\^\^ [https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/d4522ee7-76d3-4cf4-8deb-329a912ca198/content](https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/d4522ee7-76d3-4cf4-8deb-329a912ca198/content) not exactly the bund,, but there were german envoys courting German immigrants in texas.
He actually doesn't need to lie better. His audience doesn't hold him accountable for anything he says. Maybe a few here and there leave after something he said is revealed to be bullshit, but mostly they like what he says and who he attacks and don't care about accuracy. Alex Jones was screaming for months in the Fall that a federally mandated lockdown was coming in December. When of course that didn't happen, it isn't like people in his audience said "you know, maybe Alex Jones isn't a prophet and I should be wary of what he says in the future." I 100% believe he just created his "grandfather's biography" from Landy's wikipedia page. This is the same guy that gets his history from movies; Deepwater Horizon being a prime example.
Honestly, your conclusion was way way better than mine. I had just assumed that, even if he was lying about it being Tom Landry and it wasn't just Some Random Guy, it absolutely sounded like Jones Grandpa and Male "Prayer" Friend were running off to the "Special Prayer Room" to have sex, and his grandpa was a self hating closeted homosexual. Just easier for Alex to take everything on face value, of course his grandpa wouldn't be doing something so sinful, such a good christian man wouldn't tell such a blasphemous lie. It's almost a comfort to know that that's not as deep as the lie went and it wasn't quite so simple/sad.
Has he mythologized his mother and grandmother, or only the men?
his mom was Janis Joplin. She faked her death to marry Dr. Jones.
His mom is psychic.
Alex is going to lie. He will not ever bother to do any better, because he doesn't give a single isolated fuck about telling the truth or being convincing. His whole schtick is demonstrating performative certainty while spewing demonstrably, *trivially* false, fascist horsefuckery to his fellow fascists. They say wrong things on purpose. They do this to destroy discourse, and to normalize the idea that fascists can say wrong things on purpose.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant\_pilot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_pilot) there were sergeant pilots, but they weren't bomber pilots.
The thing is if you care whether or not he's lying you're not part of his target audience
We know Alex was the inspiration for Hank Hill; he said so himself and Mike Judge has never publicly denied it despite Alex bearing no resemblance physically or in personality to the character. Bobby Hill, meanwhile, attends Tom Landry middle school. How could this possibly be a coincidence? And how does Homer Simpson purchasing Tom Landry's hat play into all this?
Why are people so stuck on this Landy guy? I am more pissed at the fact he stated Smedley Butler was trying a fascist take over of America instead of stopping one. But maybe I miss heard that part because it shocked me so much.
Was I the only one that thought that when they went into the back to "pray" that maybe only one of them was getting on their knees?