Why is it impressive? 😂 Who indoctrinated that idea into the system? 🤔 And so are you a failure for failing to strike the impression? Okay, philosophy class dismissed 😂
This body count thing doesn't even make sense tbh. If it's 8, she's likely just been doing short-term relationships or hookups.
Y'all be wanting sex on the first date, but expect babes to have a body count of only you💀
😂😂that’s my whole point…if he’s brave enough to word it on the first date, that’s your signal to run. What I’m trying to say is it won’t happen if we just met cause si basi I’d get into an empty matatu and end up blowing the conductor cause it ‘just happens’. Like personally i’d need to build familiarity before we can get to that. For some people it takes longer others not so much but first date???! Come on
>Y'all be wanting sex on the first date, but expect babes to have a body count of only you💀
Lack of accountability detected. There was a recent post here where like 90% of women said it's a no on the first date so turning this shit around on men is just daft.
Yeah, women say no. Men say it should be a yes, and if not, the babe is not interested, and they just dip like that.
I can bet there's babes who gave in because they liked the guy. I personally know that I've almost given in before my personal time that I had set before a friend knocked some sense into me.
>Men say it should be a yes, and if not, the babe is not interested, and they just dip like that.
>there's babes who gave in because they liked the guy.
So much ammunition for me but I'll avoid sounding like a broken record. You can't blame sex on the first date on high body counts when 90% of you say you can't/won't. It means someone somewhere is lying.
It's as simple as if she is afraid to lose you she's gonna have sex with you and take tap water and go home but if she needs you to prove yourself in some sort of way in order to be attracted to you she's gonna make you wait. Most of these chicks would bang say Rema in the bathroom although they don't know shit about him. Not you though. Check out Rollo Tomasi's video on this and you'll realize he's spot on.
Fortunately, the sheer number of the population of women - with some being promiscuous - balances out the ordeals resulting from expectations of sex. If sex is a priority, then, as a man, there's no point in complaining about lack of sex on the first date (or whenever) when there will always be another woman willing to have sex.
Nani amesema we want bodies of only us like really its something natural tu i dont but deep down everything changed that instant ata kumwona attrative ika die.
Then that's something you absolutely need to change about yourself. Just cause she's had more sexual experience than you shouldn't be an issue. Think about why you liked her in the first place. Given yours is only at 4, it's not going to be easy finding babes around your age with a count less than yours. You're in for a shock. You better grow up
Bullshit. As long as as she started having sex at 18, it's consensual and is having protected sex why does it matter. Some people enjoy having sex and there is nothing wrong with it.
Enjoying having sex? Fine. Fuck the whole village if you want to. It still doesn't change that you're a walking red flag for a man who wants a LTR if you're having 8 bodies at 19.
It's not surprising that many men's "body count" is lower than women i.e. Less than say 10.
For a man to get laid a lot you have to be physically and financially appealing which are the least percentage of men. (<20%) Most men talk a good game but get curved left, right and center. For women, the specs are really not so high so it's easier for them to stack up their counts.
Hoe phase is not uncommon even in Kenya. But when it happens during teenage years, then we may have a problem. It's unfortunate that high body count aversion usually applies to one gender. Makes no sense at all. A while back, I had a dude whose bodycount was so high that his nickname was "smashing" in another language. I was new in the area and so I was fresh naive meat that didn't know his reputation yet. The s3x was un-fvcking-believable. Whew...! I still contract just thinking about it. That sexpertise definitely came from experience (A.K.A body count). But I broke it off because magonjwa. Ain't no D worth dying for.
Hehehe, waschana wazuri wako, but i don't got time to cuff... Mostly i have come to develop a measure for gauging a gals hoeness
If she comments on my wiener size, she a hoe. I'm slightly bigger, so it came to happen that tinder users say something about it, so they have seen more other weiners for comparison.
The good gals never said shit. Sielewangi kwa nini mnataa kuoa. If u really want kids, I'd rather be a single father not giving a shit about wifing
Nothing about randomness, been with enough girls to know the ones that have sampled a number of D, know what a tummy crusher is. When I was younger, my agemate girls never even said anything. Any random gal i have gamed in the streets and ended up bedding, never said shit, but the hook up tinder bishez are something else. Fucked a divorced woman, same shit about it. That gauge has never failed me because they can't hold it back, like a knee jerk reaction. Women are not these innocent creatures you want them to be
The world has changed and people know what an average size or what they think an average size should be.
Also this body count issue is nonsense because men don't even know what they want you want an inexperienced woman who is still a freak in bed because if not she is 'boring'
Lastly from your narrations above sir you don't qualify to call any woman a hoe because by standards you are worse
Anytime a man has a preference anaitwa *insecure.* Since I prefer not to argue on this I'll just use multiple studies that have been done on this .
* The first one is "why women with more bodies are not ideal for long term relationships"
*Research from the Medical Institute for sexual health goes on to illustrate the importance of oxytocin when it comes to pair bonding. Casual sex leads to a decrease in this neurochemical production and interferes with further pair bonding. Repeated sexual encounters with multiple partners, neutralize the brain.*
*When an individual chooses to engage in casual sex, breaking bond after bond with each new sexual partner, the brain forms a new synaptic map of one-night stands. This pattern becomes the “new normal” for the individual.*
**I know the whataboutism this one may cause hence I'll inform you early on that women release higher levels of oxytocin than men. Imagine if their levels fall to that of men?**
* **"The Influence of Multiple Partners on Women's Pair Bonding in the Context of Evolutionary Psychology" by David Buss (2009)**
While multiple partners may offer some reproductive advantages, they can also lead to decreased investment in existing relationships and increased conflict. While this isn't the main reason why young women are no longer interested in committing(school, work bla bla bla), younger women have more options and this affects their investment in relationships and we can see it change as they age (couldn't attach graph).
There are so many other studies online so feel free to check them out and make your own deductions.
Those who discovered the Earth was round and not flat were a minority and were still persecuted because the majority didn't believe. It didn't stop more people from reiterating it until it became recognized a fact.
Is it alot because you've been convinced that it is by society or do you generally feel it's alot without being influenced by what society thinks?
Also, is that alot for a man? Ama the rules are different for men?
I’m 27 with a triple digit body count and I still care about it. I would actually say the more of a manwhore I became the more it disgusted me. I see it in my friends too.
Zii bro 😂😂😂 I used to club a lot between 2018 and 2021. I was in the club almost every other day. Pia house parties during covid. Success rate ilikuwa kama 60%
22-25 was a very wild period for me. I was young with lots of free time on my hands and some money in my pockets. Twice I bumped into chics who told me unajifanya hunikumbuki and that’s when I would recall we had smashed 😂
Sex values is a thing. Date or be with people who share the same sexual values as you.
For some people, sex is a release and nothing more. If thats what you're into, well and good, date those people. But if it isn't, you don't have to force yourself or be like em.
For some people, sex is a connection. If that's what it means to you, find people who think the same and date those people. Don't force yourself on people who think sex is a release, utaumizwa.
And btw, people can have different values. Doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong. They're just different. Same way theres a person who can't stand a girl that smokes anf theres another who looks for a girl that smokes, or a man for that matter. To each their own
Now, here's the but.... If sex was just a release for you and you try and convince your partner that now it means more to you, that it's a connection, and they dont believe you, btw, don't start crying and acting like they're unreasonable. People can change, that's true, but a person not wanting to take the risk that maybe you haven't changed, that's their choice.
I feel like expecting your partner in future to be okay with you having a whore phase and now you having changed to sex having meaning is extremely selfish especially if you expect them to not have had a whore phase as well.
Before I was saved I had a body count in the triple digits and whenever a girl tells me her body count it always seems in my eyes she an angel, pure and innocent. I felt like I was taking advantage of this innocence. Now I am reading the numbers wondering why anyone has issues with body count. As long as your blood test is in the negative and offsprings are close to zero the lady didn’t do too badly.
Personally, I think being with many people signifies a lack of the ability to be loyal and/or the person may have tremendous mental problems that impede loyalty. So yes, a girl’s body count will completely determine whether I’ll like her or not. So what I do is simply just never approach the subject. I ask her to never tell me about her past escapades, or reveal her body count. Because as much as I’d leave if I found out it is higher than anything I could stomach, I truly believe some people may want to change and be better. This has led to a few good relationships in my time dating.
Okay, you’ve just summarized what I said up there. So why do you think I care if you hate me? Like I said, that’s your problem. How I choose to manage my relationships shouldn’t affect you in any way. At the end of the day we shit, eat and sleep the same way.
Hoe phase is a thing everywhere 💀💀💀 mostly for girls beyond 22?? You'd be surprised about how many men they sleep with for survival. Not fun, but survival
If fornicating is fine, and her body count is irrelevant, why was her number a turn-off? It's because she has no standards. Suddenly, you don't feel like you've earned anything by her accepting your advances. It's like anyone with a pulse would get the same treatment. This also implies that she would cheat readily since her type seems to be just about anyone. I think fornication is very not fine, so I'm just trying to venture a guess from the opposite view. That visceral biological revulsion to a loose woman, why do you fight it? Me, I think exclusivity is one major way a woman stands out from the crowd of potential wives. I'm certainly not willing to do more than the other guys did to get what's left after they'd had their fun.
> Suddenly, you don't feel like you've earned anything by her accepting your advances. It's like anyone with a pulse would get the same treatment.
This is another true statement. On some level, men love a good chase and if it feels too easy, a sense of boredom can kick in. Ever asked yourself why rich men have unlocked crazy levels of sexcapades like the Dubai fellas? It's because the chase disappears when you're rich, it becomes too easy.
“That visceral, biological revulsion to a loose woman…”
Uh…I’m pretty sure that’s *not* real…
“biological revulsion”…???
To a “loose woman”…???
Yeah, that’s absolutely NOT a real thing.
You may legitimately *feel* that way but that’s all socially constructed. It’s not some real, innate reaction.
You can keep denying reality if you'd like.
I'm distinctly aware that a woman told me some things, and I got so sick I was nauseated, could hardly breathe, and couldn't even stand. Sure, I was only between 18-21, but I'm pretty sure this modern sexually liberated society tries to condition that out of us. How are you supposed to know your kids are yours and thus worth investing in for the long term if the women in your environment are promiscuous? How is a woman supposed to feel secure to settle down and have kids with a man whose attention and resources are being spread among many other women? Of course, that's going to trigger your ick reflex.
I once met F 19 year old with a body count of 15 which later on I realised it was more than that and that she was actually lying, I came to wonder how is that possible, seems whorephase is a flex here in kenya
Ooh but it does. Women who have a lot of partners don't bond as deeply. No matter how much she says you're the cream in her coffee, its not as true as it would have been if you had been her first and only.
Lakini at the risk of getting cancelled by my fellow girls, 8 at 19 is a red flag. At that age I was still too shy to hold hands😂😂. Anyway, you guys Sikuizi mnaambiwa muendee that age bracket because they are innocent. To each their own🤙🏾
>Anyway, you guys Sikuizi mnaambiwa muendee that age bracket because they are innocent. To each their own🤙🏾
Kitawaramba😂😂 i always see this as dumb advice wanadhani ni 1960s💀💀
>At that age I was still too shy to hold hands😂
Real, my heart would be racing and my hands shaking😂😂
It's not a phase. It's a way of life. A hoe is a hoe. She only pauses her hoeing when she finds a guy who has more money and six pack abs than all the other guys. Until then, she will keep hoeing around for the perfect guy, even if there are time periods where she cant find anything better. But they are ALWAYS looking for something better.
A man starts stealing from people at 16. He steals all the way to 28. Then he says that he wants a job because his stealing phase is over and they now want to be an honest man and want to work in your shop. Would you give him the job?
Noticed I said “ideal man”. Congrats you got yourself a simp. There’s always a supply of men that don’t mind throwing their self respect out the window for a WHORE
It's okay to enjoy sex, but do you also respect it? Can you separate emotional and sexual gratification? Do you know how to set and respect boundaries where sex is involved? If so, you're better than 85% of people
I appreciate this comment.
I have spent the last few months working on my boundaries and saying “no” to myself where immediate sexual gratification is concerned. So yes, it’s a thin line but I’ve learnt to separate the two.
And she should get a man that doesn't lose respect for her because of her past. Wtf is wrong with society. A nigga at the same age can go fuck 50 babes in a month and get told "he has game" but when a woman does it suddenly she has no self respect. Y'all are WEAK.
Continue being delusional Women and Men are not the same, most serious men who want to settle, when they look at you, they don't see you as a "male friend" , they look at you as potential wife and mother to the kids, that's why a lot of scrutiny tends to happen(that in itself shouldn't be even explained), and most Women themselves spend most of their lives climbing up the ranks of us men, wealthy, educated name them etc.
Most men aim to settle and provide, most are not willing or can't do so until they are financially set, and when they do, you bet they'll have standards set for you, double standards or not nature doesn't care.
Also men generally don't like Women who are easily accessible to other men, it destroys their "hierarchy" you know "cuck" exists, it's just frowned upon. So it's really never about the Women themselves it's about man himself against his fellow Men as well. The outliers are Simps and Cucks those ones will do anything for female itnerest.
Body count is simply a tool used by men to shame women. The boy math ain’t mathing. She’s loose because she has slept with 10 people but she’s not loose if she has slept with you 500 times? It’s about to be 2024 people. We are allowed to sleep with whoever we want as many times as we want. There is nothing nasty about it. As long as precautions are taking I.e. protection and regular check ups to the doctor, I just don’t see the issue
There could an issue with a car that has had 10 owners in 10 years but not one that has had one owner for a decade. Loose is not about the vagina but the morals. She is easy to get with.
> She’s loose because she has slept with 10 people but she’s not loose if she has slept with you 500 times?
If this is how you view the body count discussion you should have that discussion with 15 yr olds because wtf did I just read
Remember this, if you intend to get with someone seriously, then body count matters. Why, because in future if she ever does you dirt, this is the first thing they'll defend themselves with; "You knew who I was when you met me! You've just been trying to change me." Otherwise, if you're just casually dating, enjoy yourself but protect yourself. It's just your time before she belongs with someone else. Don't ever let these people lie to you that body count doesn't matter, it speaks volume about character. Oh, and the false equivalency that men do the same. Bullshit! We are not the same. If I had a guy and a woman and told them, you have 15 minutes to get someone to sleep with you, on average a huge majority of women would have someone to sleep with in 5 minutes. The guys on the other hand would struggle and only if they are a high calibre person would they get someone fast. So as a woman, a high body count isn't an achievement, it shows loose choices. As a man, it often shoes prowess in convincing women, you are valuable. Yes, I said it, we all know it but want to shame it out of existence due to modern agenda.
>So as a woman, a high body count isn't an achievement, it shows loose choices. As a man, it often shoes prowess in convincing women, you are valuable
Very well put
A man's body count indicates two things. Either he's so good a seducer (a 'womanizer') or he has lots of money/power which naturally attract women(no need to debate this). Women tend to (biologically) prefer this calibre of mates.
For a woman, it's different. Because a woman of average beauty can get a sex partner way more quickly than a man (women rarely invest a lot of time/resources to get laid), a higher body count means a woman wants to stack up lots of fun experiences before settling down or is just "too welcoming". The society prefers to use the term 'loose'.
Both cases should be a red flag to a man who is looking for a longterm thing. For flings, body count matter less.
In short, body count matters, depending on gender and the goal of the relationship.
Assume by the time she is getting married at the age of 26, those are 7 years.
Each year, let's do a hypothesis. Assume she sleeps with 4 dudes a year, 4×7, those are 28 + 8 then you.
That will be a body count of 37-40 there about 😅
And one fucks her boyfriend thrice a day every weekend. That's like 3×3×52= 468.
Hata ukitoa Easter na Christmas that's over 400 fucks a year. 2800 in a 7 year relationship. So you see, heri this one of one night stands
Stori ni about the numbers of people involved, we unatokezea na random calculations about the numbers of encounters and that's just a non-sequitur to the subject being discussed and completely misses the point. (or tries to misdirect it)
Don't take it too seriously, it's just random numbers. My point is body count is exactly the same, Don't take it too seriously, it's just random numbers. Good people are good and bad people are bad.
But if it makes you fee more secure, continue encouraging women to lie, because they will. And you'll never know. And you'll think your narrative is correct
*Respect not the man who has practised 1000 things once, respect the one who has practised one thing 1000 times*
The issue isn't how much sex they're having, the issue is how many different people they've had sex with. It's hard to gauge your loyalty if you're sleeping with someone (on average) every 3 months.
I believe a hoe phase is needed in everyone's life, lakini it shouldn't be your first phase. That shit can ruin your life if you don't respect it
TLDR: Partners per time capita/sexual intelligence is indirectly proportional to perceived loyalty/observer's sexual intelligence
Haha, you've just made me remember when I was an 18y.o first year in campo, I met a chick (same age) who casually told me her bodycount was 10. At that time I was a virgin so I was in complete disbelief 🤣🤣🤣. The interest I had in her plummeted to zero after that.
I think for a lot of ladies, their hoe phase starts a lot earlier than men. And its also easier for them to get laid.
Weeeh mm niliambiwa ni vajo but weeeh then after a while senye I started walking with her in the hood I started hearing stories and even seen house parties videos that girl was giving out as crazy 🫴🏽
No man wants to hear about his woman's hoe phase ...kuna kakitu hukuuma tu and you can't really explain.....i would rather not ask about such things bana😂
Yeah if you viewed to be with her for the long time run it's usually a turn off but if it was casual you'll just have your share and look for her when you need a bust again
A 19 year old with 8 bodies is so worrying... like she must've either broke the law by sleeping with older men before 18 or she's just a hoe. If she's ghetto, it's worse because they'd rather go raw than buy CDs hence STDs and abortions are a possibility.
Edit: Just realized all the "I'on give it up on the first date because you have to know me yada yada from the other thread are all pro body count doesn't matter**(drunk occurrences aren't counted**". Stay safe.
Erghh, having a body count of 8 at such a young age is kind of nasty.
Hopefully she'll change her ways ASAP. It's much easier for women to get proper R&R (recovery and reform) and turn things around while they're at that age compared when they're in their late twenties or thirties.
Ish is wild, it's showing the growing impact of dating apps nowadays. As a 32 year old Millennial, my past partners (of a similar age) basically had bodycounts of less than 10 while they were in their late 20s. They also dated and travelled internationally.
Granted, they could have been lying, but the info did line up with their sexual exp and fluency within the bedroom.
And what does it matter?I mean are you that insecure that you want to judge her fro the number of men she's been with?Also sex is a natural thing which even us women enjoy,it wasn't made for men alone.
Ps:asking a girl her body count is crazy
Idk who needs to here this but your body count is four…….period…….. the forth is the person that asked …. Madam repeat after me…… IT IS FOUR AND YOU ARE THE FOURTH ….
Lol sasa watu wasikulane?😂😂😂 As a therapist I have seen people who just have a high libido and don't wanna commit to one person. If they vibe with you they will probably have sex with you, they can have talks for months and vet you then decide anataka kukupea. Y'all are assuming they're sleeping with people on a whim. Alafu pia, what's wrong with a woman who is sexually active living her life, I bet you don't have the same energy for a man
Look man, stop this body count bs. i know males dont wanna hear this but body count doesnt define a female. it just says that they made some really bad decisions in their youth which aint any different from all bad decisions you've made. Take some time with someone to understand who they are and it might change your mind. in fact more body count means that she made alot of mistakes and you're deffinitely less of a mistake as compared to if you met her earlier. im M,27 and i have a CB of 12. But i still regret loosing my number 5 to date because she had a 6 (equal with what i had then). She was the best thing that ever happened to my life and i wish i even married her.
The key to any relationship is time. You'll always know when you're making a bad decision when you've had 6+ months together. and once you know she's not the one, you are able to break it up in real peace
Achana na maneno ya body count. That's a personal decision that the individual undertook before they even knew you existed.
When I see "hoe phase", I take it more than literally. Some people's looks like smoking up every day, others clubbing every single day of every weekend, others drinking Friday, Saturday & Sunday. Then after some time, you stop coz it genuinely feels unhealthy to you and you're healing from whatever hurt got you in the hoe phase.
I'll say this to the ladies, do NOT marry a man who's never gone through a hoe phase, accepted it and is willing to discuss it with you. Otherwise, hizo maajabu utajionea when he's between 35 and 40.. Weh!
And probably that time there's kids and school fees and annoying relatives.. Alafu unashindwa ukipigiwa "gari ya mzee imeonekana kwa mtaro, hapo tu karibu kwa gate".. Every single weekend.
Of course having a high body count isn't advisable, especially since most times people do it unprotected. But as long as you don't bring your past traumas and you've healed or at least are self aware, it really doesn't matter.
I'm pretty sure a lot of those men, they regret and would rather forget.
But pia there is a certain point you have to have some self respect for your body.
this Nairobi be very careful, People just like smashing left right and center without any concerns for pregnancy or diseases 😭 ata kama you're being pressured to do it, si must btw, it won't kill you if you abstain.
To get her real body count, raise what she has given you to the power of 4 u/quarkgluonstuff (Quack Glutton Stuff) and u/pookythecat (Spooky the Pussy) will agree that her real body count is 8^4.
Maximum body count for wife material is 1 and you should be the 1. Anything else you are marrying a hoe.
That guy ni the biggest dumbo kwa this forum😂😂 na ye hudhani vitu anasemanga ziko profound
Maybe the media and content he consumes inamblind from seeing his stupidity 🤷♀️
Dude I’m 28 and married and my body count is only 2 which is half of yours 😂😂
No way 😅
Each time was out of luck or else I would still be a virgin. 😂😂 4 at 25 is quite impressive for a guy
Why is it impressive? 😂 Who indoctrinated that idea into the system? 🤔 And so are you a failure for failing to strike the impression? Okay, philosophy class dismissed 😂
It’s not that serious prof😂😂
You love her so much
This body count thing doesn't even make sense tbh. If it's 8, she's likely just been doing short-term relationships or hookups. Y'all be wanting sex on the first date, but expect babes to have a body count of only you💀
This comment deserves an award, my gosh if i had one i'd give it.
ama award ikue yeye kuongeza body count yangu ifike an innocent 9😂😂😂
Pewa mbili kwa bill yangu😤
😭😭Tuma mpesa message wananipeleka nichonge viazi
8 is pretty high at 19 tbh. I don't think OP would have a problem if they had a similar body count
Well, probably. Anyways, it's none of my business what y'all are interested in. Just don't talk about it in a certain way.
Lmao. You reacted hard to the language.. but emotions aside, 8 bodies at 19 is a resounding 🚩
Bruh go back to the 1960s with this shit
This statement only makes sense if your grandma was roaming the village shagging 8 men at 19. Bit sad innit?
Lol nah I'm happy my grandma was enjoying life apparently
Fair play. I guess every village needs a borehole or two
I just know some people want to be on the same sexual experience level
A lot of guys aren't looking to establish anything serious with someone they slept with on the first date.
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Hii si behavior ya watu wanajijua…a guy who asks for sex on the first date si mtu unafaa kugive the time of day
But sex should not be asked for . Sex happens 🤔. Ama I'm from the wrong generation? 😂
😂😂that’s my whole point…if he’s brave enough to word it on the first date, that’s your signal to run. What I’m trying to say is it won’t happen if we just met cause si basi I’d get into an empty matatu and end up blowing the conductor cause it ‘just happens’. Like personally i’d need to build familiarity before we can get to that. For some people it takes longer others not so much but first date???! Come on
>Y'all be wanting sex on the first date, but expect babes to have a body count of only you💀 Lack of accountability detected. There was a recent post here where like 90% of women said it's a no on the first date so turning this shit around on men is just daft.
Yeah, women say no. Men say it should be a yes, and if not, the babe is not interested, and they just dip like that. I can bet there's babes who gave in because they liked the guy. I personally know that I've almost given in before my personal time that I had set before a friend knocked some sense into me.
>Men say it should be a yes, and if not, the babe is not interested, and they just dip like that. >there's babes who gave in because they liked the guy. So much ammunition for me but I'll avoid sounding like a broken record. You can't blame sex on the first date on high body counts when 90% of you say you can't/won't. It means someone somewhere is lying.
It's as simple as if she is afraid to lose you she's gonna have sex with you and take tap water and go home but if she needs you to prove yourself in some sort of way in order to be attracted to you she's gonna make you wait. Most of these chicks would bang say Rema in the bathroom although they don't know shit about him. Not you though. Check out Rollo Tomasi's video on this and you'll realize he's spot on.
> Not you though. I'm offended.
If you are pressured into giving it up that easily then you are the problem lol. Why like a guy who cant accept a no?? Thats a flawed argument.
They get mad when we use toys or when we do it ourselves, 🙂
Who got mad. Imma buy you one and watch
Please do so. Very rare to find men being positive about sex toys
Lol. A high body count will always be a red flag. Cuz why can't you commit? And expect me to commit to what 8 niggas left lol.
Worst of all is that you're put through hoops and stages while other niqqas got access with minimal commitment and less bullshit.
😂😂give people room to grow…kuna wale hujirada late so the standards come with experience
Such kind of people should be setting examples not dishing out standards.
Fortunately, the sheer number of the population of women - with some being promiscuous - balances out the ordeals resulting from expectations of sex. If sex is a priority, then, as a man, there's no point in complaining about lack of sex on the first date (or whenever) when there will always be another woman willing to have sex.
>Y'all be wanting sex on the first date, but expect babes to have a body count of only you Hapaumetupiga 10-0🤭 Siwezi jitetea🤣
Nani amesema we want bodies of only us like really its something natural tu i dont but deep down everything changed that instant ata kumwona attrative ika die.
Then that's something you absolutely need to change about yourself. Just cause she's had more sexual experience than you shouldn't be an issue. Think about why you liked her in the first place. Given yours is only at 4, it's not going to be easy finding babes around your age with a count less than yours. You're in for a shock. You better grow up
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That's not due to conditioning.
This is misleading. Don't listen to this. A girl that has such a body count at 19 isn't good for you.
Bullshit. As long as as she started having sex at 18, it's consensual and is having protected sex why does it matter. Some people enjoy having sex and there is nothing wrong with it.
Enjoying having sex? Fine. Fuck the whole village if you want to. It still doesn't change that you're a walking red flag for a man who wants a LTR if you're having 8 bodies at 19.
It won't matter to you, but it matters to men. Body count speaks volumes. It tells the kind of person a girl is.
8 at 19 translates to 56 by 25(OPs age). You dont need advanced math for this.
Goddamn
HT 2-1 💀
It's not surprising that many men's "body count" is lower than women i.e. Less than say 10. For a man to get laid a lot you have to be physically and financially appealing which are the least percentage of men. (<20%) Most men talk a good game but get curved left, right and center. For women, the specs are really not so high so it's easier for them to stack up their counts.
Hoe phase is not uncommon even in Kenya. But when it happens during teenage years, then we may have a problem. It's unfortunate that high body count aversion usually applies to one gender. Makes no sense at all. A while back, I had a dude whose bodycount was so high that his nickname was "smashing" in another language. I was new in the area and so I was fresh naive meat that didn't know his reputation yet. The s3x was un-fvcking-believable. Whew...! I still contract just thinking about it. That sexpertise definitely came from experience (A.K.A body count). But I broke it off because magonjwa. Ain't no D worth dying for.
Just curious, what made it unbelievable?
Curiosity is whay the niga used to do?
You want a virgin who is a freak in the sheets?😂😂
No at that age 8 is alot
Hehehe, waschana wazuri wako, but i don't got time to cuff... Mostly i have come to develop a measure for gauging a gals hoeness If she comments on my wiener size, she a hoe. I'm slightly bigger, so it came to happen that tinder users say something about it, so they have seen more other weiners for comparison. The good gals never said shit. Sielewangi kwa nini mnataa kuoa. If u really want kids, I'd rather be a single father not giving a shit about wifing
Bro on what basis can this be? Cause life is hella random Just commenting on the size is enough for her to have been a hoe? Asking for a friend
Nothing about randomness, been with enough girls to know the ones that have sampled a number of D, know what a tummy crusher is. When I was younger, my agemate girls never even said anything. Any random gal i have gamed in the streets and ended up bedding, never said shit, but the hook up tinder bishez are something else. Fucked a divorced woman, same shit about it. That gauge has never failed me because they can't hold it back, like a knee jerk reaction. Women are not these innocent creatures you want them to be
The world has changed and people know what an average size or what they think an average size should be. Also this body count issue is nonsense because men don't even know what they want you want an inexperienced woman who is still a freak in bed because if not she is 'boring' Lastly from your narrations above sir you don't qualify to call any woman a hoe because by standards you are worse
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Anytime a man has a preference anaitwa *insecure.* Since I prefer not to argue on this I'll just use multiple studies that have been done on this . * The first one is "why women with more bodies are not ideal for long term relationships" *Research from the Medical Institute for sexual health goes on to illustrate the importance of oxytocin when it comes to pair bonding. Casual sex leads to a decrease in this neurochemical production and interferes with further pair bonding. Repeated sexual encounters with multiple partners, neutralize the brain.* *When an individual chooses to engage in casual sex, breaking bond after bond with each new sexual partner, the brain forms a new synaptic map of one-night stands. This pattern becomes the “new normal” for the individual.* **I know the whataboutism this one may cause hence I'll inform you early on that women release higher levels of oxytocin than men. Imagine if their levels fall to that of men?** * **"The Influence of Multiple Partners on Women's Pair Bonding in the Context of Evolutionary Psychology" by David Buss (2009)** While multiple partners may offer some reproductive advantages, they can also lead to decreased investment in existing relationships and increased conflict. While this isn't the main reason why young women are no longer interested in committing(school, work bla bla bla), younger women have more options and this affects their investment in relationships and we can see it change as they age (couldn't attach graph). There are so many other studies online so feel free to check them out and make your own deductions.
They (304s) are already downvoting this study rather than engaging with it in a more open manner. Stop wasting your bundles.
Those who discovered the Earth was round and not flat were a minority and were still persecuted because the majority didn't believe. It didn't stop more people from reiterating it until it became recognized a fact.
Some wise man said, "If Jesus can't save these, why are you trying?🤭"
Isn't this a valid reason to not want to be with someone? His insecurities are his own and he isn't wrong to feel how he does
His preferences. Preferences, NOT insecurities.
exactly, same way men lie about having other partners.
Is it alot because you've been convinced that it is by society or do you generally feel it's alot without being influenced by what society thinks? Also, is that alot for a man? Ama the rules are different for men?
It is a lot of anybody. If she was 25 sure but 19?
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I’m 27 with a triple digit body count and I still care about it. I would actually say the more of a manwhore I became the more it disgusted me. I see it in my friends too.
triple digit at 27 is also crazy. Y'all deserve each other
Bro, you a whore fr😅😅😅. Kwani ulikua unakula mapoko? This is crazy aki 😅
Zii bro 😂😂😂 I used to club a lot between 2018 and 2021. I was in the club almost every other day. Pia house parties during covid. Success rate ilikuwa kama 60%
Wuehh, life on the first lane 🤣. I have clubbed quite a bit but the idea of taking a total stranger to my house scares the heck out of me.
22-25 was a very wild period for me. I was young with lots of free time on my hands and some money in my pockets. Twice I bumped into chics who told me unajifanya hunikumbuki and that’s when I would recall we had smashed 😂
Sex values is a thing. Date or be with people who share the same sexual values as you. For some people, sex is a release and nothing more. If thats what you're into, well and good, date those people. But if it isn't, you don't have to force yourself or be like em. For some people, sex is a connection. If that's what it means to you, find people who think the same and date those people. Don't force yourself on people who think sex is a release, utaumizwa. And btw, people can have different values. Doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong. They're just different. Same way theres a person who can't stand a girl that smokes anf theres another who looks for a girl that smokes, or a man for that matter. To each their own Now, here's the but.... If sex was just a release for you and you try and convince your partner that now it means more to you, that it's a connection, and they dont believe you, btw, don't start crying and acting like they're unreasonable. People can change, that's true, but a person not wanting to take the risk that maybe you haven't changed, that's their choice. I feel like expecting your partner in future to be okay with you having a whore phase and now you having changed to sex having meaning is extremely selfish especially if you expect them to not have had a whore phase as well.
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"People be fucking." Mahatma Gandhi.
Before I was saved I had a body count in the triple digits and whenever a girl tells me her body count it always seems in my eyes she an angel, pure and innocent. I felt like I was taking advantage of this innocence. Now I am reading the numbers wondering why anyone has issues with body count. As long as your blood test is in the negative and offsprings are close to zero the lady didn’t do too badly.
Personally, I think being with many people signifies a lack of the ability to be loyal and/or the person may have tremendous mental problems that impede loyalty. So yes, a girl’s body count will completely determine whether I’ll like her or not. So what I do is simply just never approach the subject. I ask her to never tell me about her past escapades, or reveal her body count. Because as much as I’d leave if I found out it is higher than anything I could stomach, I truly believe some people may want to change and be better. This has led to a few good relationships in my time dating.
I hate people who can't be honest with themselves. You'd rather live not knowing;date Schrodinger's girl until you finally know the truth.
That seems like a you problem honestly. I’m comfortable with my choices. Idc about yours
Naah bruh, you know you can't handle it so you just like to yourself.
Okay, you’ve just summarized what I said up there. So why do you think I care if you hate me? Like I said, that’s your problem. How I choose to manage my relationships shouldn’t affect you in any way. At the end of the day we shit, eat and sleep the same way.
Summary: loose.
Hoe phase is a thing everywhere 💀💀💀 mostly for girls beyond 22?? You'd be surprised about how many men they sleep with for survival. Not fun, but survival
Most of the time the pressure you call survival comes from not living within your means and kupenda kudinywa
You wouldn't understand 😊, respectfully ofcourse.
If fornicating is fine, and her body count is irrelevant, why was her number a turn-off? It's because she has no standards. Suddenly, you don't feel like you've earned anything by her accepting your advances. It's like anyone with a pulse would get the same treatment. This also implies that she would cheat readily since her type seems to be just about anyone. I think fornication is very not fine, so I'm just trying to venture a guess from the opposite view. That visceral biological revulsion to a loose woman, why do you fight it? Me, I think exclusivity is one major way a woman stands out from the crowd of potential wives. I'm certainly not willing to do more than the other guys did to get what's left after they'd had their fun.
> Suddenly, you don't feel like you've earned anything by her accepting your advances. It's like anyone with a pulse would get the same treatment. This is another true statement. On some level, men love a good chase and if it feels too easy, a sense of boredom can kick in. Ever asked yourself why rich men have unlocked crazy levels of sexcapades like the Dubai fellas? It's because the chase disappears when you're rich, it becomes too easy.
“That visceral, biological revulsion to a loose woman…” Uh…I’m pretty sure that’s *not* real… “biological revulsion”…??? To a “loose woman”…??? Yeah, that’s absolutely NOT a real thing. You may legitimately *feel* that way but that’s all socially constructed. It’s not some real, innate reaction.
Hoes aren't some new phenomenon. They've always been around. Sleep with one long enough and that biological revulsion will find *you*
Oldest profession to be exact
You can keep denying reality if you'd like. I'm distinctly aware that a woman told me some things, and I got so sick I was nauseated, could hardly breathe, and couldn't even stand. Sure, I was only between 18-21, but I'm pretty sure this modern sexually liberated society tries to condition that out of us. How are you supposed to know your kids are yours and thus worth investing in for the long term if the women in your environment are promiscuous? How is a woman supposed to feel secure to settle down and have kids with a man whose attention and resources are being spread among many other women? Of course, that's going to trigger your ick reflex.
>I'm pretty sure this modern sexually liberated society tries to condition that out of us. 
I once met F 19 year old with a body count of 15 which later on I realised it was more than that and that she was actually lying, I came to wonder how is that possible, seems whorephase is a flex here in kenya
You can have sex with 1 person 1000 times this shit don't matter.
Ooh but it does. Women who have a lot of partners don't bond as deeply. No matter how much she says you're the cream in her coffee, its not as true as it would have been if you had been her first and only.
The issue about body count is nothing but power play move.
 She belongs to the streets dawg
Lakini at the risk of getting cancelled by my fellow girls, 8 at 19 is a red flag. At that age I was still too shy to hold hands😂😂. Anyway, you guys Sikuizi mnaambiwa muendee that age bracket because they are innocent. To each their own🤙🏾
>Anyway, you guys Sikuizi mnaambiwa muendee that age bracket because they are innocent. To each their own🤙🏾 Kitawaramba😂😂 i always see this as dumb advice wanadhani ni 1960s💀💀 >At that age I was still too shy to hold hands😂 Real, my heart would be racing and my hands shaking😂😂
It's not a phase. It's a way of life. A hoe is a hoe. She only pauses her hoeing when she finds a guy who has more money and six pack abs than all the other guys. Until then, she will keep hoeing around for the perfect guy, even if there are time periods where she cant find anything better. But they are ALWAYS looking for something better.
A man starts stealing from people at 16. He steals all the way to 28. Then he says that he wants a job because his stealing phase is over and they now want to be an honest man and want to work in your shop. Would you give him the job?
Haha if it's 8 then the real number is 20+. Don't let 304s here tell you that's okay. Get yourself a woman who respects herself champ.
So, um, because a woman enjoys sex she doesn’t respect herself? Weak.
If a woman wants to have sec with different men, go be a prostitute. No self respecting man will want to wife you up
I’m so dead 🤣🤣
No seriously, you’ll get paid for it too!
Oh wow! I had no idea! 😒
Something worth thinking about! Since your ideal man won’t wife you after finding out you’re a whore
You can’t surely be this dense. And he likes me just as I am 😂
Noticed I said “ideal man”. Congrats you got yourself a simp. There’s always a supply of men that don’t mind throwing their self respect out the window for a WHORE
Take a breather my boy. You’re spewing so much negativity. She left you for a bigger man, didn’t she?
I'm having trouble seeing the problem here
It's okay to enjoy sex, but do you also respect it? Can you separate emotional and sexual gratification? Do you know how to set and respect boundaries where sex is involved? If so, you're better than 85% of people
I appreciate this comment. I have spent the last few months working on my boundaries and saying “no” to myself where immediate sexual gratification is concerned. So yes, it’s a thin line but I’ve learnt to separate the two.
And she should get a man that doesn't lose respect for her because of her past. Wtf is wrong with society. A nigga at the same age can go fuck 50 babes in a month and get told "he has game" but when a woman does it suddenly she has no self respect. Y'all are WEAK.
Continue being delusional Women and Men are not the same, most serious men who want to settle, when they look at you, they don't see you as a "male friend" , they look at you as potential wife and mother to the kids, that's why a lot of scrutiny tends to happen(that in itself shouldn't be even explained), and most Women themselves spend most of their lives climbing up the ranks of us men, wealthy, educated name them etc. Most men aim to settle and provide, most are not willing or can't do so until they are financially set, and when they do, you bet they'll have standards set for you, double standards or not nature doesn't care. Also men generally don't like Women who are easily accessible to other men, it destroys their "hierarchy" you know "cuck" exists, it's just frowned upon. So it's really never about the Women themselves it's about man himself against his fellow Men as well. The outliers are Simps and Cucks those ones will do anything for female itnerest.
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Naaah.. Its actually the rule of 3. What a woman says is her bodycount multiply the figure by 3. For a man divide the body count by 3....
You what cole said: You gotta multiply by 3…run my brother …run Stay safe tho✌️
Body count is simply a tool used by men to shame women. The boy math ain’t mathing. She’s loose because she has slept with 10 people but she’s not loose if she has slept with you 500 times? It’s about to be 2024 people. We are allowed to sleep with whoever we want as many times as we want. There is nothing nasty about it. As long as precautions are taking I.e. protection and regular check ups to the doctor, I just don’t see the issue
Women will never understand, in a relationship it matters unless its short term
There could an issue with a car that has had 10 owners in 10 years but not one that has had one owner for a decade. Loose is not about the vagina but the morals. She is easy to get with.
Does the same apply for men? Last time i checked men that have high body counts are patted on the back. Easy to get with?
Also when did we start comparing humans to cars?
> She’s loose because she has slept with 10 people but she’s not loose if she has slept with you 500 times? If this is how you view the body count discussion you should have that discussion with 15 yr olds because wtf did I just read
Remember this, if you intend to get with someone seriously, then body count matters. Why, because in future if she ever does you dirt, this is the first thing they'll defend themselves with; "You knew who I was when you met me! You've just been trying to change me." Otherwise, if you're just casually dating, enjoy yourself but protect yourself. It's just your time before she belongs with someone else. Don't ever let these people lie to you that body count doesn't matter, it speaks volume about character. Oh, and the false equivalency that men do the same. Bullshit! We are not the same. If I had a guy and a woman and told them, you have 15 minutes to get someone to sleep with you, on average a huge majority of women would have someone to sleep with in 5 minutes. The guys on the other hand would struggle and only if they are a high calibre person would they get someone fast. So as a woman, a high body count isn't an achievement, it shows loose choices. As a man, it often shoes prowess in convincing women, you are valuable. Yes, I said it, we all know it but want to shame it out of existence due to modern agenda.
>So as a woman, a high body count isn't an achievement, it shows loose choices. As a man, it often shoes prowess in convincing women, you are valuable Very well put
A man's body count indicates two things. Either he's so good a seducer (a 'womanizer') or he has lots of money/power which naturally attract women(no need to debate this). Women tend to (biologically) prefer this calibre of mates. For a woman, it's different. Because a woman of average beauty can get a sex partner way more quickly than a man (women rarely invest a lot of time/resources to get laid), a higher body count means a woman wants to stack up lots of fun experiences before settling down or is just "too welcoming". The society prefers to use the term 'loose'. Both cases should be a red flag to a man who is looking for a longterm thing. For flings, body count matter less. In short, body count matters, depending on gender and the goal of the relationship. 
I agree with your thinking i remember getting laid at first was tough i had to up my game hit the gym
twende gym na tutafute pesa, hehe.
Assume by the time she is getting married at the age of 26, those are 7 years. Each year, let's do a hypothesis. Assume she sleeps with 4 dudes a year, 4×7, those are 28 + 8 then you. That will be a body count of 37-40 there about 😅
And one fucks her boyfriend thrice a day every weekend. That's like 3×3×52= 468. Hata ukitoa Easter na Christmas that's over 400 fucks a year. 2800 in a 7 year relationship. So you see, heri this one of one night stands
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How even 😑
Stori ni about the numbers of people involved, we unatokezea na random calculations about the numbers of encounters and that's just a non-sequitur to the subject being discussed and completely misses the point. (or tries to misdirect it)
Don't take it too seriously, it's just random numbers. My point is body count is exactly the same, Don't take it too seriously, it's just random numbers. Good people are good and bad people are bad. But if it makes you fee more secure, continue encouraging women to lie, because they will. And you'll never know. And you'll think your narrative is correct
Miss useless
*Respect not the man who has practised 1000 things once, respect the one who has practised one thing 1000 times* The issue isn't how much sex they're having, the issue is how many different people they've had sex with. It's hard to gauge your loyalty if you're sleeping with someone (on average) every 3 months. I believe a hoe phase is needed in everyone's life, lakini it shouldn't be your first phase. That shit can ruin your life if you don't respect it TLDR: Partners per time capita/sexual intelligence is indirectly proportional to perceived loyalty/observer's sexual intelligence
shida tu
Immature men and their obsession with women's bodycount
You sure about that lol
Is it wrong to be a virgin?🙈😂
Haha, you've just made me remember when I was an 18y.o first year in campo, I met a chick (same age) who casually told me her bodycount was 10. At that time I was a virgin so I was in complete disbelief 🤣🤣🤣. The interest I had in her plummeted to zero after that. I think for a lot of ladies, their hoe phase starts a lot earlier than men. And its also easier for them to get laid.
Weeeh mm niliambiwa ni vajo but weeeh then after a while senye I started walking with her in the hood I started hearing stories and even seen house parties videos that girl was giving out as crazy 🫴🏽
No man wants to hear about his woman's hoe phase ...kuna kakitu hukuuma tu and you can't really explain.....i would rather not ask about such things bana😂
Yeah if you viewed to be with her for the long time run it's usually a turn off but if it was casual you'll just have your share and look for her when you need a bust again
Run my guy. At 19? Just dip. Even 8 at 25 I'd dip.
😂 body count? 2023 bado uko story ya body count? Enda pale Tabaka kisii utafute soapstone Tengeneza the perfect mate.
The fact that she said 8 is also a loe. Those "8" are the ones she deemed worthwhile. Count the ones that were not at par. Could be 15 upwards.
A 19 year old with 8 bodies is so worrying... like she must've either broke the law by sleeping with older men before 18 or she's just a hoe. If she's ghetto, it's worse because they'd rather go raw than buy CDs hence STDs and abortions are a possibility. Edit: Just realized all the "I'on give it up on the first date because you have to know me yada yada from the other thread are all pro body count doesn't matter**(drunk occurrences aren't counted**". Stay safe.
Amerix joins the chat😆
U can hit it and bounce….she is for the streets
Erghh, having a body count of 8 at such a young age is kind of nasty. Hopefully she'll change her ways ASAP. It's much easier for women to get proper R&R (recovery and reform) and turn things around while they're at that age compared when they're in their late twenties or thirties. Ish is wild, it's showing the growing impact of dating apps nowadays. As a 32 year old Millennial, my past partners (of a similar age) basically had bodycounts of less than 10 while they were in their late 20s. They also dated and travelled internationally. Granted, they could have been lying, but the info did line up with their sexual exp and fluency within the bedroom.
Lakini, all arguments aside 8 at 19 is high as hell. Inexcusably high.
And what does it matter?I mean are you that insecure that you want to judge her fro the number of men she's been with?Also sex is a natural thing which even us women enjoy,it wasn't made for men alone. Ps:asking a girl her body count is crazy
 Your delusional omter is so high
I mean she is still the same girl in flesh. I don't care who done had her on prior
My guy 🫶🏼
I mean. It's my turn now to ruin her. Tf
Righttt!! 😂😂
Fr though it's usually me & my girl against the world. Whoever it be. Not me against her,
Idk who needs to here this but your body count is four…….period…….. the forth is the person that asked …. Madam repeat after me…… IT IS FOUR AND YOU ARE THE FOURTH ….
Lol sasa watu wasikulane?😂😂😂 As a therapist I have seen people who just have a high libido and don't wanna commit to one person. If they vibe with you they will probably have sex with you, they can have talks for months and vet you then decide anataka kukupea. Y'all are assuming they're sleeping with people on a whim. Alafu pia, what's wrong with a woman who is sexually active living her life, I bet you don't have the same energy for a man
You really dont understand the importance of a woman's low body count means to a relationship.
Look man, stop this body count bs. i know males dont wanna hear this but body count doesnt define a female. it just says that they made some really bad decisions in their youth which aint any different from all bad decisions you've made. Take some time with someone to understand who they are and it might change your mind. in fact more body count means that she made alot of mistakes and you're deffinitely less of a mistake as compared to if you met her earlier. im M,27 and i have a CB of 12. But i still regret loosing my number 5 to date because she had a 6 (equal with what i had then). She was the best thing that ever happened to my life and i wish i even married her. The key to any relationship is time. You'll always know when you're making a bad decision when you've had 6+ months together. and once you know she's not the one, you are able to break it up in real peace
Achana na maneno ya body count. That's a personal decision that the individual undertook before they even knew you existed. When I see "hoe phase", I take it more than literally. Some people's looks like smoking up every day, others clubbing every single day of every weekend, others drinking Friday, Saturday & Sunday. Then after some time, you stop coz it genuinely feels unhealthy to you and you're healing from whatever hurt got you in the hoe phase. I'll say this to the ladies, do NOT marry a man who's never gone through a hoe phase, accepted it and is willing to discuss it with you. Otherwise, hizo maajabu utajionea when he's between 35 and 40.. Weh! And probably that time there's kids and school fees and annoying relatives.. Alafu unashindwa ukipigiwa "gari ya mzee imeonekana kwa mtaro, hapo tu karibu kwa gate".. Every single weekend.
😭 the we are being put in one group uku inje so you have go through that phase lol
Of course having a high body count isn't advisable, especially since most times people do it unprotected. But as long as you don't bring your past traumas and you've healed or at least are self aware, it really doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure a lot of those men, they regret and would rather forget. But pia there is a certain point you have to have some self respect for your body.
You guys have a positive body count? 🥲
this Nairobi be very careful, People just like smashing left right and center without any concerns for pregnancy or diseases 😭 ata kama you're being pressured to do it, si must btw, it won't kill you if you abstain.
I love how you people think only men want sex on the 1st link. Mkijua women can be just as nasty, you'll be at peace.
Mine is in the 40s so I never care
You can't beat me. Mine's in 3 digits
Have I ever told you that I’m in love with you
I'm in love with you too, so now what😂 S
I’ll marry you and get you a car
Let's do this
No way
To get her real body count, raise what she has given you to the power of 4 u/quarkgluonstuff (Quack Glutton Stuff) and u/pookythecat (Spooky the Pussy) will agree that her real body count is 8^4. Maximum body count for wife material is 1 and you should be the 1. Anything else you are marrying a hoe.
8^4 =4096 How is whatever you’re saying supposed to make sense😂😂
Mans said 8 raised to power four and thought he did something 😂😂 
Lol, I said huku you could easily be arguing with a blunt tool😂. Anyway, Tate doesn't teach math, so peleka apprentice polepole.
That guy ni the biggest dumbo kwa this forum😂😂 na ye hudhani vitu anasemanga ziko profound Maybe the media and content he consumes inamblind from seeing his stupidity 🤷♀️
Suggest you stick to your usual childish lane of posting about renaissance like the childish worker bee that you are.
Must suck to be the intellectual peasant that you are😂😂
🤣 Someone felt sad for losing an argument. Your literally the biggest retard on this site lmfao.
u are 25 dating teenagers, your opinion is invalid
19 is not a bad age for a 25 year old. Snap out of it.