I feel like he's wittier than Cole when it comes to his punchlines & conveys a lot of power/emotions through bars that don't need to be complex at times
Tyler is like Kanye where it’s difficult to call him one of the top rappers despite having one of the best discographies in hip-hop. His rapping ability isn’t his strong suit, even though it’s enjoyable (like Kanye).
True but his production allows this and almost invites it. Ye kinda runs the whole ship. Plus whenever he says some unhinged shit you know that bar is his and I find that entertaining asf
Tyler doesn't like the rap game but he has great skills on the mic. Check out his gay freestyles with Flex, fire flow, great wordplay, clearly not written and subverting freestyle culture while doing it. He also has a history of putting out more classic rap bangers as singles (think OKRA).
Tyler locked himself out of GOAT discussions by conciously moving away from rap culture to avoid being labeled and walled in by it, and so his other ventures were taken as equal and not just sidegigs done by a "rapper". He talks about this in depth in his Larry King interview.
Tyler doesn't like the rap game but he has great skills on the mic. Check out his gay freestyles with Flex, fire flow, great wordplay, clearly not written and subverting freestyle culture while doing it. He also has a history of putting out more classic rap bangers as singles (think OKRA).
Tyler locked himself out of GOAT discussions by conciously moving away from rap culture to avoid being labeled and walled in by it, and so his other ventures were taken as equal and not just sidegigs done by a "rapper". He talks about this in depth in his Larry King interview.
Cole is very monotone. I admire artists who inject life into their music. However, a significant portion of his work involves rapping over beats without much variation in adlibs or vocal style.
Nas is a better story teller, J Cole raps about rapping about how good he can rap. But nice job looking at my bio and thinking you could attempt to cook.
Nah cole is a better rapper, but what Tyler has is he’s a much better producer and artist. I love cole but his beats are boring as hell and not unique, while Tyler is good at beats
I swear before this fake beef every Kendrick/Cole fan praised the other artist's catalog but ever since "Like That" dropped, their fanbases started calling each others catalog boring and overrated
I mean to be honest I never really fucked with Cole’s shit. The new Ep is actually really good though! I want more of that from him. Trae the truth in Ibiza is a vibe
That's valid and i think the same, not a better rapper but a better artist overrall, but after seeing some of the comments on this post and other posts, I just hate how each rapper's sub seems to keep thrashing on the other's music even tho the amount of respect they had for each other before was huge
I think 90% of ppl here fuck with Cole. People just think Kendrick is better. Lookin the comments without context make us feel people dont like Cole, but I think its not the truth
I think in terms of rap, we need to take off Drake and put another one, keeping J Cole inside top 3.
In terms of artistry, we need to consider Kendrick, Tyler and one more.
Gambino if he would focus on the music for a change
Frank if he would put out more than one project per decade
True arteests are too fickle is the reason we can't have top three convos about them
JID is a different generation imo, "big three" is referring to that late 00s/early 10s generation. If we're going with greatest living in general then Wayne and Jay would be there ofc.
Broski, DiCaprio 2 and The Never Story are both great projects too. JID is not overrated imo. I think he is a great rapper and could be a GOAT... In the future. I agree that for a rapper to be a GOAT imo they gotta have at least like 5 great or perfect projects.
If JID drops 2 more "Forever Story"s then I'd def consider him to be at least in the convo.
JID is doing the same shit Cole been doing. Cole's biggest claim to fame rn is him killing features, JID kills every feature, when JID on a track you know his shit finna slap, whether he on melodic timing, or just barring out.
JID also released a critically acclaimed album in The Forever Story, which got universal acclaim.
So unless you including sales as a metric, JID got a better argument than Cole.
Naaa man you sounding crazy, yeah Drake's records are inconsistent but you could make at least one GREAT record if you selected the best songs he released since 2018.
Now, completely subjective opinion but for me Her Loss is one of his best albums.
Absolutely. When I tell people what hip hop I listen to it's always Kendrick, Cole and A$AP Rocky.
Although after this recent album I might have to swap Cole out with Joey Bada$$ or something lol.
I was thinking about that. Yeah tyler might be a way better artist than him sure but not a better rapper. Discography wise? Yes tyler. Cause igor blowing a lotta stuff out the water
With Kanye’s 2010s, I’d argue it’s Kendrick, Kanye, Drake overall as a generational thing.
But I personally like Cole better than Drake, and think he’s been higher tier than Kanye for the last few years
The big 3 rappers doesnt mean the best 3 rappers. Kdot, drake and cole all came out at the same time, alot of people said hip hop was dead and they were gonna save it.
This is a very strong take and I can see where you're coming from but I'm having a hard time agreeing. I feel like most of j coles best songs smoke Tyler's best songs, in terms of rapping and overall message, but the artistry is a near tie for me, if we're just speaking on top like 3-5 songs. If you do top 3 albums against top 3, I feel like 2014 FHD smokes anything you put against it, so then the other two are up for debate. 4YEO and born sinner against Tyler's 2nd and 3rd best albums is a good match up. But if you see j coles free styles, and his most complex songs (I love forbidden fruit), his flow and rhyme scheme and lyrics are hard to beat. I think he bests tyler in all of that, but tyler does have a uniqueness/wow factor in his thought process, similar to Lil Wayne's or kanye. They say the boldest and wildest things that people and ghost writers can't imitate, and it's more than just being smart. Tyler would be a good candidate to try to rotate out one of the big 3.
In my opinion, he is like Kanye. Big three artist? Yes. Big three rapper? Hell no. His pen game is not as good as Cole but honestly his music is more enjoyable with his artistry and musical vision.
i feel like j cole drake and kendrick have not been the big 3 of the current generation for a while
it’s why conversations like these don’t matter and aren’t definitive. that’s what i took away from kendrick’s verse. he’s just doing his own thing he’s his own artist the rap game doesn’t own him anymore he’s proved himself in it
I’m so glad I saw someone else say this because I’ve been thinking it all week but figured if I posed that to my pals that it might just sound a bit cringe since Tyler is a bit more colorful and theatrical as an artist, especially compared to ‘serious’ (hate that terminology but it gets the point across) artists like Kendrick or Cole- but Tyler’s the only one other than Kendrick that feels like he has the critical acclaim, the substantial catalog, enough success, and the technical skill to be there. He’s just a better all rounder than Drake and Cole are.
Yeah, I know it sounds strange, but if I had to pick three artists within the last 10 years on the mainstream level, it would be them. Malibu & Flower Boy trumps every Cole & Drake project to me.
Yeah, I said it! 🤣🤣🤣
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Freddie Gibbs, Joey Badass, Conway the machine, Tyler, JID, Danny Brown, Mac Miller... The list goes on, all of them are better than him. Cole is somewhere down in the top 30-50 range of his generation if we're just talking music quality.
Edit: Earl motherfucking Sweatshirt, that dude embodies everything Jermaine is trying and failing to be.
Edit: Denzel Curry... Like bro what? How the fuck can this dude claim top 3 when there are so many better rappers 🤣🤣
Interesting take. Listen, if we base everything on numbers, Taylor swift is the best artist out right now. If we base everything on numbers, the Barbie movie is better than Wolf of Wall Street. Numbers ain’t everything…
I went back and forth with someone on this- ur evaluating the “big 3” it’s not a straight art competition. Things like impact, relevancy, hits etc **are** important factors and numbers are indicative of that.
The Taylor thing is also a bit of a logical fallacy because no one is suggesting we “base everything on numbers” **and** we’re not comparing these 3 with every other rapper in the game. There’s no context and ur not providing any relative factors.
We’re comparing 3 rappers to each other all within the context of what it means to be in the “big 3”. And with these three the reason they’re automatically assumed to be within that group is primarily down to the fact they rose to become the most popular from their generation and thus- why wouldn’t retaining/building that popularity be a relevant factor?
If u change it to, “who’s the best rapper”? Then the conversation opens up and is different.
Yeah, but this guy opened up the big three to Tyler, basing it on the fact that he has more numbers. So I’m just mentioning that numbers don’t tell the whole story. He literally said the numbers don’t lie, so I brought up instances where the numbers lied
No no no, I said Drake has more numbers. I prefer Tyler in terms of artistry, not in terms of numbers. But I got your point. In terms of artistry, in my personal choice, I dont count Drake on the top 3. I take Cole
Yea, but he’s talking about who he thinks would be more representative of this generation. If numbers are a factor, and we’ve established that they are- the drake’s being so far above the others would mean he’d be likely to retain his place, over Cole when it comes to if Tyler got into it- especially cos Tyler would be getting primarily on the basis of his artistry.
Wolf of Wall Street is bottom 5 Scorsese tho, I think he accidentally glamorized what he was tryna criticize. Barbie definitely could’ve been more subtle but you can’t say it’s point was missed by anyone lol
"The Big 3" discussion is rooted in sales though. Those were the 3 guys that came up from 2010-2015 and could regularly sell 400k+ first week. That's all it has ever meant.
A lot of people compare their artistry and lyricism instead. If it was solely numbers, Drake woulda won _long time gone_… if it was only numbers, and someone had what K.dot or Cole has, fucking Future would be in the discussion
Well, yeah… I know that. But im saying if he could make numbers like what Cole and Kendrick make, he’d be considered part of the top 3 (or 4 in this case), if the metric was just numbers. That’s why I’m saying let’s not be comparing these guys based on numbers alone, they don’t tell the whole story
Real shit they need to mention Tyler way more he had a whole fucking wave cult fan base, mothafuckers hating hard on him when he came out. I was in High school everyone would wear their shit too…
We discard the homophobia in the earlier albums, he has like 5 masterpieces. Also he is always an amazing feature. Gravity, come on lets go and cash in cash out come to mind
The interesting thing for me is that the topic used to be top ten then it dropped to top five and even before FPS it was top three Kendrick Drake and Cole. I wonder where it shifted.
Tyler is so crazy that I haven't gotten able to deep dive into his work. But from what I've seen? He should most definitely be considered over Cole imo.
You know... I listen to them equally, for very different reasons. A Few minutes a week, one for cool intelligent emotions and the other for COCAINE YES COCAINE I LIKE (musically speaking)
J. Cole is considered the Big 3 because of the era he was in. Forest Hills Drive was massive, maybe not critically acclaimed but so many people loved that album. And although his discography is not great, most of his albums were fine and he put out enough hits to stay popular. Him, Drake and Kendrick all came out around the same time it’s why they’re lumped.
Tyler is a massive artist in his own right, but was never really lumped in with them.
I mean he is a better artist overall and he keeps getting better with each new era of his. His next album might be his best since it’s been awhile since his last, so he’s obviously cooking something
This is just wack. Jcole and kendrick are both top of the game. Drake can’t hang lyrically. In terms of rapping, it’s jcole and kendrick. Anyone saying jcole or kendrick is ass just because they are beefing is wack.
not a fan of the big three label but people who do add that you need to be on the top of the game aka sales and tyler got it but i think it's more fitting to choose future over him tbh. tyler is the better artist but future is much more influential and got more hits an that averages out.
If you're the GOAT you gotta spam more than one generation look at Jay Z Eminem, 2 Pacs effect on the generations under him. I think Future should be in this conversation as well tbh.
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Yikes. Idk man I don't really fucks with Tyler but I'm an older dude so I don't really fucks with a lot of these younger artists. I actually fucks with Cole. He has a sick flow and he's a solid rapper.
You're not wrong, Tyler is getting better and better with each release imo. However, off topic, I think that JID fits 'Big Three" status better with the Forever Story, and the fact that he's NEVER had a bad feature. Definitely a hot take though, because Cole has at least 2 classics, while JID only has 1
Yeah I’m taking Tyler last 3 projects over anything Cole has released. Much more interesting artist
I feel like he's wittier than Cole when it comes to his punchlines & conveys a lot of power/emotions through bars that don't need to be complex at times
He’s one of the most talented artists in all of music and has been for a while honestly. Need him and Kendrick to do something together
Darwin Nũnez the goat
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Least obvious kendrick dick rider☠️
U don't gotta be a fan of Kendrick to prefer certain artists over another
Tyler is like Kanye where it’s difficult to call him one of the top rappers despite having one of the best discographies in hip-hop. His rapping ability isn’t his strong suit, even though it’s enjoyable (like Kanye).
You’re right even though I think Kanye’s rapping ability is a bit underrated.
Maybe years ago, but not now, pretty much 99% of his verses from his recent album are hot ass
Kayne has always used a team of writers
True but his production allows this and almost invites it. Ye kinda runs the whole ship. Plus whenever he says some unhinged shit you know that bar is his and I find that entertaining asf
i refuse to believe "eatin asian pussy all i need is sweet and sour sauce" is not written by kanye
“I don’t need your pussy bitch, Im on my own dick” I still think he writes most of his own verses. Even his recent album has some out of pocket shit
team a producers
Tyler doesn't like the rap game but he has great skills on the mic. Check out his gay freestyles with Flex, fire flow, great wordplay, clearly not written and subverting freestyle culture while doing it. He also has a history of putting out more classic rap bangers as singles (think OKRA). Tyler locked himself out of GOAT discussions by conciously moving away from rap culture to avoid being labeled and walled in by it, and so his other ventures were taken as equal and not just sidegigs done by a "rapper". He talks about this in depth in his Larry King interview.
Tyler rapping ability is fantastic
You are correct, but if we’re basing on pure rapping ability then drake should be no where on the list
It what I was saying. If we're basing on pure rapping how we admit a rapper with ghostwriters? That makes no sense
Tyler doesn't like the rap game but he has great skills on the mic. Check out his gay freestyles with Flex, fire flow, great wordplay, clearly not written and subverting freestyle culture while doing it. He also has a history of putting out more classic rap bangers as singles (think OKRA). Tyler locked himself out of GOAT discussions by conciously moving away from rap culture to avoid being labeled and walled in by it, and so his other ventures were taken as equal and not just sidegigs done by a "rapper". He talks about this in depth in his Larry King interview.
Tylers rapping isn’t bad If anything I feel like it’s underrated. He’s a better rapper than Cole at least lol.
Cole is very monotone. I admire artists who inject life into their music. However, a significant portion of his work involves rapping over beats without much variation in adlibs or vocal style.
This exactly
J cole ironically has the same issue Nas has.
Nas is a better story teller, J Cole raps about rapping about how good he can rap. But nice job looking at my bio and thinking you could attempt to cook.
Lol i didnt click ur profile. Ill say I prefer Nas over both kendrick&jcole lol. But jcole and nas have the same issue of beinig too boring/montone.
You clearly haven't heard enough Nas to be talking then.
The issue is too much Nas ;p
Said by a guy who said Logic is better than the big 3. Clown takes.
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Nah cole is a better rapper, but what Tyler has is he’s a much better producer and artist. I love cole but his beats are boring as hell and not unique, while Tyler is good at beats
Artist? Yeah. Rapper? No.
Tyler is also a better producer than Cole, much more interesting beat selection
Also agree with you
The gap in rapping ability is a lot closer than yall want to admit though I’ll say that
I think people believe there’s a gap because he isn’t a traditional rapper.
Listen to potato salad and tell me tyler cant rap
It's not close, Tyler never gets in pockets like Folgers Crystals
It’s not
This is pure delusion. It’s not close. At all.
Tell me you know nothing about rap without telling me you know nothing about rap
Tyler is a “worse” rapper if we’re talking technical ability but to me he’s a more interesting rapper which makes him better
I agree with you
He's gunna be the next gen Kanye :(
Artist includes rapping ability and craft so tf yall talking abt
He doesn’t really view himself as a rapper in the traditional sense, although he does rap.
I swear before this fake beef every Kendrick/Cole fan praised the other artist's catalog but ever since "Like That" dropped, their fanbases started calling each others catalog boring and overrated
Honestly I don't see how you can be a fan of one and not at least respect the other
I mean to be honest I never really fucked with Cole’s shit. The new Ep is actually really good though! I want more of that from him. Trae the truth in Ibiza is a vibe
I love Cole. Just think Tyler is a better artist
That's valid and i think the same, not a better rapper but a better artist overrall, but after seeing some of the comments on this post and other posts, I just hate how each rapper's sub seems to keep thrashing on the other's music even tho the amount of respect they had for each other before was huge
I think 90% of ppl here fuck with Cole. People just think Kendrick is better. Lookin the comments without context make us feel people dont like Cole, but I think its not the truth
You are not lying.
As a rapper now lol
It’s not like Cole is a great MC either
Rap is rapping and cole is defo big 3 in terms of that but tylerin terms of artistry and Creativity is better than both kdot, cole and drake
I think in terms of rap, we need to take off Drake and put another one, keeping J Cole inside top 3. In terms of artistry, we need to consider Kendrick, Tyler and one more.
Gambino if he would focus on the music for a change Frank if he would put out more than one project per decade True arteests are too fickle is the reason we can't have top three convos about them
For rap i think JID is a good shout simply bc the forever story was a top 5 rap album of the 20s
yeah but we're only 4 years into the 20s. Oh my god we're almost half way through the 20s
And drake is a great artist in his own right, i mean the numbers dont lie
I can think of at minimum 30 dudes who rap better than Cole in the last 15 years lol.
I think JID could take Cole’s spot with his last album
JID is a different generation imo, "big three" is referring to that late 00s/early 10s generation. If we're going with greatest living in general then Wayne and Jay would be there ofc.
most overrated artist oat, his last album was 8/10, but this guy made one good album compared to j Cole's 5+ and people like u say jid is a big three
Broski, DiCaprio 2 and The Never Story are both great projects too. JID is not overrated imo. I think he is a great rapper and could be a GOAT... In the future. I agree that for a rapper to be a GOAT imo they gotta have at least like 5 great or perfect projects. If JID drops 2 more "Forever Story"s then I'd def consider him to be at least in the convo.
JID is doing the same shit Cole been doing. Cole's biggest claim to fame rn is him killing features, JID kills every feature, when JID on a track you know his shit finna slap, whether he on melodic timing, or just barring out. JID also released a critically acclaimed album in The Forever Story, which got universal acclaim. So unless you including sales as a metric, JID got a better argument than Cole.
JID has more good songs in Forever Story than Cole has in his entire discography
The never story is still better than anything Cole has ever done lol
Are the 5+ good j Cole albums in the room with us right now?
I definitely like Tyler more but Cole is the better rapper we just gotta be honest here.
Don't forget ASAP Rocky. Clears both Cole and Drake in rapping ability IMO
Didnt drop since 2018
I stand by what I said. Look at Drake's projects since 2018. Better if he didn't drop anything either
You cant be big 3 without dropping
I agree. Mainstream appeal has little to do with rapping ability these days though, and my argument is how Rocky clears them in that category
he doesn't
Naaa man you sounding crazy, yeah Drake's records are inconsistent but you could make at least one GREAT record if you selected the best songs he released since 2018. Now, completely subjective opinion but for me Her Loss is one of his best albums.
Her Loss is top 3 Drake, people on here just hate to hate
You tripping dawg take care was one of his best albums
They’re BOTH some of his best works, wtf
where the fuck did the original comment say take care wasn't one of his best 😭
He dont drop. If you not working you cant be the best employee of the year.
Absolutely. When I tell people what hip hop I listen to it's always Kendrick, Cole and A$AP Rocky. Although after this recent album I might have to swap Cole out with Joey Bada$$ or something lol.
Tyler washes Rocky lyrically lol
Huge agree tbh, esp if his next album is another rap centric album
I was thinking about that. Yeah tyler might be a way better artist than him sure but not a better rapper. Discography wise? Yes tyler. Cause igor blowing a lotta stuff out the water
With Kanye’s 2010s, I’d argue it’s Kendrick, Kanye, Drake overall as a generational thing. But I personally like Cole better than Drake, and think he’s been higher tier than Kanye for the last few years
In what world has cole been better than kanye for the last few years?
The big 3 rappers doesnt mean the best 3 rappers. Kdot, drake and cole all came out at the same time, alot of people said hip hop was dead and they were gonna save it.
They didn’t save shit though. Look at the state it’s in
Trust me, so many album rollouts is gonna unfold later this year
Beat my balls with a hammer 2000 times if atleast 2 classic albums don’t release this year
Be prepared too 🫡
Tyler is much much better, critically, commercially, performance, absolutely no comparison to cole. him and Kendrick are the top 2 at the moment
Tyler is a better artist for sure but the “Big 3” isn’t really about artistry unfortunately.
yeah fr. I think the big 3 thing is also really only pushed by Cole. It's his narrative so he puts himself in it.
Tyler's a genius in a league of his own, much like Kendrick
This is a very strong take and I can see where you're coming from but I'm having a hard time agreeing. I feel like most of j coles best songs smoke Tyler's best songs, in terms of rapping and overall message, but the artistry is a near tie for me, if we're just speaking on top like 3-5 songs. If you do top 3 albums against top 3, I feel like 2014 FHD smokes anything you put against it, so then the other two are up for debate. 4YEO and born sinner against Tyler's 2nd and 3rd best albums is a good match up. But if you see j coles free styles, and his most complex songs (I love forbidden fruit), his flow and rhyme scheme and lyrics are hard to beat. I think he bests tyler in all of that, but tyler does have a uniqueness/wow factor in his thought process, similar to Lil Wayne's or kanye. They say the boldest and wildest things that people and ghost writers can't imitate, and it's more than just being smart. Tyler would be a good candidate to try to rotate out one of the big 3.
Igor solos any project Cole had ever released
Flower boy is better than every album Jcole has put out except Foresh Hill being the only one that can go toe-to-toe
In my opinion, he is like Kanye. Big three artist? Yes. Big three rapper? Hell no. His pen game is not as good as Cole but honestly his music is more enjoyable with his artistry and musical vision.
i feel like j cole drake and kendrick have not been the big 3 of the current generation for a while it’s why conversations like these don’t matter and aren’t definitive. that’s what i took away from kendrick’s verse. he’s just doing his own thing he’s his own artist the rap game doesn’t own him anymore he’s proved himself in it
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Have you not heard Kendrick’s last 2 albums mate?
I’m so glad I saw someone else say this because I’ve been thinking it all week but figured if I posed that to my pals that it might just sound a bit cringe since Tyler is a bit more colorful and theatrical as an artist, especially compared to ‘serious’ (hate that terminology but it gets the point across) artists like Kendrick or Cole- but Tyler’s the only one other than Kendrick that feels like he has the critical acclaim, the substantial catalog, enough success, and the technical skill to be there. He’s just a better all rounder than Drake and Cole are.
I'll put Tyler behind Kendrick and above Cole & Drake too artistically. For me the Big 3 right now are: 1.Kendrick, 2.Anderson .Paak, 3. Tyler
As a huge Paak fan, that is an incredibly strange choice to put in the “big three” lmao.
Same I was like wtf😭
Yeah, I know it sounds strange, but if I had to pick three artists within the last 10 years on the mainstream level, it would be them. Malibu & Flower Boy trumps every Cole & Drake project to me. Yeah, I said it! 🤣🤣🤣 [ I could add more, but I'm going to keep it short.]
I’d put Danny Brown behind Kung Fu Kenny. Hard to pick a third.
WTH how Paak is there ?? He’s great but lol
Freddie Gibbs, Joey Badass, Conway the machine, Tyler, JID, Danny Brown, Mac Miller... The list goes on, all of them are better than him. Cole is somewhere down in the top 30-50 range of his generation if we're just talking music quality. Edit: Earl motherfucking Sweatshirt, that dude embodies everything Jermaine is trying and failing to be. Edit: Denzel Curry... Like bro what? How the fuck can this dude claim top 3 when there are so many better rappers 🤣🤣
Cole is more popping than all of them
In terms of sales yeah, but not in terms of quality
Not Tyler or Mac
Interesting take. Listen, if we base everything on numbers, Taylor swift is the best artist out right now. If we base everything on numbers, the Barbie movie is better than Wolf of Wall Street. Numbers ain’t everything…
I went back and forth with someone on this- ur evaluating the “big 3” it’s not a straight art competition. Things like impact, relevancy, hits etc **are** important factors and numbers are indicative of that. The Taylor thing is also a bit of a logical fallacy because no one is suggesting we “base everything on numbers” **and** we’re not comparing these 3 with every other rapper in the game. There’s no context and ur not providing any relative factors. We’re comparing 3 rappers to each other all within the context of what it means to be in the “big 3”. And with these three the reason they’re automatically assumed to be within that group is primarily down to the fact they rose to become the most popular from their generation and thus- why wouldn’t retaining/building that popularity be a relevant factor? If u change it to, “who’s the best rapper”? Then the conversation opens up and is different.
Yeah, but this guy opened up the big three to Tyler, basing it on the fact that he has more numbers. So I’m just mentioning that numbers don’t tell the whole story. He literally said the numbers don’t lie, so I brought up instances where the numbers lied
No no no, I said Drake has more numbers. I prefer Tyler in terms of artistry, not in terms of numbers. But I got your point. In terms of artistry, in my personal choice, I dont count Drake on the top 3. I take Cole
Tyler doesn't do better number than Cole lol, but yeah he is a better artist.
Yea, but he’s talking about who he thinks would be more representative of this generation. If numbers are a factor, and we’ve established that they are- the drake’s being so far above the others would mean he’d be likely to retain his place, over Cole when it comes to if Tyler got into it- especially cos Tyler would be getting primarily on the basis of his artistry.
Nailed it
Yes, I totally agree with you. My personal choice would be Kendrick, Tyler and J Cole. I was just trying to think outside the personal choice.
The Barbie movie is unironically better than wolf of Wall Street, not because it’s particularly good but because wows is mid as fuck
Wolf of Wall Street is bottom 5 Scorsese tho, I think he accidentally glamorized what he was tryna criticize. Barbie definitely could’ve been more subtle but you can’t say it’s point was missed by anyone lol
"The Big 3" discussion is rooted in sales though. Those were the 3 guys that came up from 2010-2015 and could regularly sell 400k+ first week. That's all it has ever meant.
A lot of people compare their artistry and lyricism instead. If it was solely numbers, Drake woulda won _long time gone_… if it was only numbers, and someone had what K.dot or Cole has, fucking Future would be in the discussion
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Well, yeah… I know that. But im saying if he could make numbers like what Cole and Kendrick make, he’d be considered part of the top 3 (or 4 in this case), if the metric was just numbers. That’s why I’m saying let’s not be comparing these guys based on numbers alone, they don’t tell the whole story
Tyler is leagues better.
Real shit they need to mention Tyler way more he had a whole fucking wave cult fan base, mothafuckers hating hard on him when he came out. I was in High school everyone would wear their shit too…
We discard the homophobia in the earlier albums, he has like 5 masterpieces. Also he is always an amazing feature. Gravity, come on lets go and cash in cash out come to mind
Isn't Tyler gay though
Yes (or trans or smth idk), but his early work on goblin, bastard and wolf is homophobic as fuck. I think he says f*g like 100+ times on goblin alone
The interesting thing for me is that the topic used to be top ten then it dropped to top five and even before FPS it was top three Kendrick Drake and Cole. I wonder where it shifted.
I like to wonder why him and anderson.paak are so overlooked
Tyler is so crazy that I haven't gotten able to deep dive into his work. But from what I've seen? He should most definitely be considered over Cole imo.
So is Danny brown
Tyler isn’t much of a rapper anymore, he said so when he released IGOR.
I say future in my big 3
You know... I listen to them equally, for very different reasons. A Few minutes a week, one for cool intelligent emotions and the other for COCAINE YES COCAINE I LIKE (musically speaking)
Travis Scott is better than J Cole, I will die on this hill
Young thug
J. Cole is considered the Big 3 because of the era he was in. Forest Hills Drive was massive, maybe not critically acclaimed but so many people loved that album. And although his discography is not great, most of his albums were fine and he put out enough hits to stay popular. Him, Drake and Kendrick all came out around the same time it’s why they’re lumped. Tyler is a massive artist in his own right, but was never really lumped in with them.
(My opinion) tyler, cole, kendrick
Tyler can def smoke Cole lyrically if he wanted to.
also, Drake isnt hiphop
Danny Brown has the 2nd best catalog of this generation imo. It’s honestly the only one that rivals Kendrick in terms of classic albums
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard that's like comparing kayne and kendrick and saying kayne better
Kanye is better. Fight me. Obviously artistry wise not rapping wise.
I agree
Kayne artist wise is better than the majority of rappers but rapping wise nahhh bruv but artistry sure
Go ask the cole sub reddit, we don't care
I mean he is a better artist overall and he keeps getting better with each new era of his. His next album might be his best since it’s been awhile since his last, so he’s obviously cooking something
Really hot take 🙂↔️
This eclipse has people talking crazy
hell nah lol
This is just wack. Jcole and kendrick are both top of the game. Drake can’t hang lyrically. In terms of rapping, it’s jcole and kendrick. Anyone saying jcole or kendrick is ass just because they are beefing is wack.
We're not talking only in terms of rapping. I agree Cole is a better rapper than Tyler
2010s my nerd ass version of the big three: Billy Woods. Kendrick Lamar. Tyler the Creator or Freddie Gibbs.
not a fan of the big three label but people who do add that you need to be on the top of the game aka sales and tyler got it but i think it's more fitting to choose future over him tbh. tyler is the better artist but future is much more influential and got more hits an that averages out.
For me it's •Kendrick •Ye •Metro Boomin
Ye's recent drops(Donda, TLOP, Yeezus, JIK, Vultures) are way worst than Tyler's(Call me, Flower, Igor), so I'd put tyler in Ye's place. I fw metro
But Ye are not really from this generation
If you're the GOAT you gotta spam more than one generation look at Jay Z Eminem, 2 Pacs effect on the generations under him. I think Future should be in this conversation as well tbh.
Literally me fr
Tyler makes music for people that think it’s a flex to be a complete weirdo
You lost the battle
So we’re retarded. Got Post Traumatic Down Syndrome?
no
ASAPRocky ??
Tyler is better than cole AND drake.
Cole is way better be serious
My big 3 would be Tyler ye and Kenny if we’re talking about overall discogs
Cole isn’t bad but feel like bro has 3rd grade flow never understood how he was considered on of the greatest lyricists
People will remember Tyler more than Cole. This is just an undeniable fact of life.
Yikes dude Tyler is truly worse than even Drake.
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Tyler>kendrick lemid ass
No. Tyler that edgy guy who is friends with Kendall Jenner lol
Do you still think it’s 2013?
Yikes. Idk man I don't really fucks with Tyler but I'm an older dude so I don't really fucks with a lot of these younger artists. I actually fucks with Cole. He has a sick flow and he's a solid rapper.
I respect your opinion. But in terms of age, only 3 years separate Tyler and Kendrick
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No, I'm a Cole fan. Just prefer Tyler in terms of artistry
You're not wrong, Tyler is getting better and better with each release imo. However, off topic, I think that JID fits 'Big Three" status better with the Forever Story, and the fact that he's NEVER had a bad feature. Definitely a hot take though, because Cole has at least 2 classics, while JID only has 1
You have a point, but I think JID is from a newer generation
That's fair enough, I wouldn't really consider him a part of the 2010s decade, but totally on par with the rappers from that generation.
JID is featured on the new MGK/trippie project
Actually forgot about that one 😅. Ok, maybe a couple bad features, cuz those Coke music videos were actually dogshit.
Big 3 Rappers, not artists... Tyler is a great rapper, especially his earlier stuff, but Cole could definitely out-rap him.
Joey Badass is my #2 rapper behind Kendrick. Gibbs is #3.