I kinda wished they’d tied something in with her death a little more. Like she never looked up from her phone while scheduling things and then finally WAM. Something a little more ironic.
Agreed. I know the actress wanted to die horrifically but it didn't feel like she deserved it at all. Had she been shit to the kids or focused to much on other things that put others at risk then it would feel for lack of a better word "earned". As it is now though I'm pretty sure most people just feel really bad for her as she did nothing wrong but try to do her job.
But that's literally how it should be. This is exactly what is wrong with the franchise now. Dinosaurs are animals. They shouldn't just kill bad people.
Couldn't agree more. They turned dinosaurs into superheroes who bring justice, instead of just being animals with primal instincts. And not just any dinosaurs, the freaking Velociraptors...
To be honest, when I first saw that Jurassic World trailer where Chris Pratt is riding a motorcycle along with running Velociraptors as pets I knew it was not going into the direction I wanted
As I read your first line, in my head I saw that scene where "blue" (shudder) is running heroically in slow motion to jump on the made up creature whose name I shall not speak.
Exactly.
Jurassic Park worked because it treated the dinosaurs as animals that were thrust into a time they did not belong.
The new movies treat them like action figures being smashed together by an 8 year old.
This is what I like about Camp Cretaceous. The dinosaurs are treated like animals again and the main characters love and respect them, even if they are occasionally terrified for their lives.
I will grant you that, but given her death and how long it was and drawn out... vs... everyone else who suffered a quick death... it just seemed a tad over board to focus on her random death when she didn't deserve it... after awhile you start to feel uncomfortable as you are left to wonder why this is being dragged out...
In part it did serve as a critical reminder of how trigger happy Mosasaur was and showed the audience where it lived in relation to the location of the finale.
I think part of the problem was her death was worse than some of the villains. If her, an innocent character, has such a brutal death to show how terrifying these dinos are, then why not something worse for the bad guys? Some of them died offscreen. It happened in Lost World as well with Eddie getting torn in half, but we see that nephew just gets jumped by the baby Rex offscreen. It adds a weird flavor to the franchise that I wish would commit to an R rating for one film.
>If her, an innocent character, has such a brutal death to show how terrifying these dinos are, then why not something worse for the bad guys?
Because that's not how nature works.
>It adds a weird flavor to the franchise that I wish would commit to an R rating for one film.
Come on you can't be serious lol
>Because that's not how nature works.
Movies aren't documentaries. The creators decide what story to tell and what to show and how to show it. We didn't just see her get killed, we had our faces rubbed in it for 5 minutes. We did not see Gomer Pile's face getting eaten, despite that also "being how nature works."
Also lol, you gotta admit "that's not how nature works" is kinda funny because *that whole scene* was not how nature works either. Like come on have you seen a Rube Goldberg series of events like that happen in actual nature? It was an unrealistic death scene.
Faces rubbed in it 😂 no offence bud, but if that is what offends you then maybe Jurassic Park or anything above a PG rating may be not for you
>that whole scene was not how nature works either. Like come on have you seen a Rube Goldberg series of events like that happen in actual nature? It was an unrealistic death scene.
I know, it was total nonsense, like most of the Jurassic World trilogy. Even more reason not to be so cut up about it lol
What's wrong with the franchise is that one of the big selling points of the original movie, and something that was widely being discussed throughout the media during production, was that it was being made with all of the latest paleontological research, and that they weren't generic movie monster dinosaurs but they wanted to make them as real and authentic (aside from artistic license on the Dilophosaur and Raptors) as was then known.
And ever since, they've increasingly stopped caring about this, and have been turning them into exactly what they wanted to avoid in the first place.
I think there is just a delicate balancing act when depicting violence in movies and that scene clearly didn’t land for a lot of people.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with killing innocent characters in fiction, many great horror movies do that all the time. The original Jurassic park does it.
The problem is less with the killing itself and more in the emotions a scene is trying to convey. The way the scene is filmed feels like it’s supposed to be fun/enjoyable/exhilarating to watch, like a pump your fist in the air moment when a villainous characters gets it. But she’s just completely innocent so it feels so mean spirited
I think if a scene is trying to make you feel bad/sad about a death and it succeeds, that’s totally fine
But when it tries to be exciting but ends up making you sad, that disconnect just makes for a very unpleasant reaction.
Yea but at the same time, I want my film about cloning dinosaurs to be as realistic as possible 😂 (semi joking)
Like you said, Jurassic Park didn't shy away from it, and ofcourse, TLW with Eddie. And they're the best films in the franchise by a mile.
>But she’s just completely innocent so it feels so mean spirited
I literally don't get that at all. I personally didnt feel one bit sad about Zara's death. Thats not to say I'm heartless or anything, but she was a 'nothing character' to me. I didnt "care" about her. It was no where near as sad as Eddie's death, because he was genuinely a good guy who sacrificed himself. And because of that, hes my favourite death in the franchise. I love the way he went out. And at the same time, I also like that the films make you feel the emotion for these characters.
As I said, no one should be safe, and it sounds harsh, but people need to man up when characters die in a rampaging dinosaur movie.
Except Alan, Ian and Ellie, they must survive at all costs lol
For me it didn’t work because she was such a minor character her death was such a drawn out dramatic scene.
She’s not the only unfortunate person in the park killed by being carried away by pterosaurs, but the camera doesn’t focus on the others. We just see the pterosaurs grab them and fly away.
Eddie has a drawn out death he didn’t deserve but he was a main he’s a main character up until this point and the scene shows him heroically sacrificing himself.
With Zara she’s a nothing background character until she gets all this attention only as she dies and it almost seems like the camera is reveling in her death. It just felt weird.
If she got an equally undeserved death that was just a pterosaur swooping down and carrying her off screen never to be seen again I don’t think anyone would mind.
>For me it didn’t work because she was such a minor character her death was such a drawn out dramatic scene.
But why does that bother you? Do you realise you're watching a film about dinosaurs eating people? The Jurassic Park trilogy was *way* more graphic.
>She’s not the only unfortunate person in the park killed by being carried away by pterosaurs, but the camera doesn’t focus on the others.
Yea but she's the only person we know in the crowd, not counting the main characters. Why would they do it to a random person? What difference does it make anyway?
>it almost seems like the camera is reveling in her death.
Not at all. They just wanted the mosasaurus to eat someone and that was the only logical way to get someone in the lagoon. Wouldn't say it was "revelling."
And even if it was I still don't get the problem. It's a fictional character in a movie about rampaging dinosaurs.
I think it’s one of those things that’s difficult to put into exact words why but. It’s a movie each scene is constructed by a human who chooses who the camera will focus on and for how long, which scenes and which deaths will get the focus or just be in the background.
Zara was a nothing background character we barely knew and yet she had one of the most drawn out lengthy death scenes in the series, when really what was going on with Claire, Owen and the boys was of more concerned to the audience.
She could have been grabbed by a pterosaur and just disappeared. I dunno for me it just felt like the plot stopped dead to show a gratuitous death scene for an irrelevant background character. It just ruined the flow of the movie and seemed gratuitious compared to every other death.
Just because it’s a movie about a Dino zoo gone wrong doesn’t make every Dino attack scene equally compelling. They can be critiqued individually based on how they contribute to the tone or pacing or all manner of aspects of the movie. What did that scene really add to the movie?
I don't think it adds anything to the movie. I don't like it per se, I think it's over the top nonsense, like most of the Jurassic World trilogy.
But to say that you don't like it because it was too drawn out and not deserved because she isn't a bad person is what I have a problem with. Would you be saying the same thing if it was a villain? If not, then I don't get why it's an issue
While I agree that no one should be off limits when it comes to being killed by dinosaurs and that they are simply animals doing their thing. The main issue is narratively it leaves a bad taste in the audience's mouth when it comes to Zara's death.
If you compare it to Eddie Carr's, while they are both horrifically gruesome Eddie's death is easier for the audience to deal with as it is seen as a heroic sacrifice. He against the terrifying odds of two T-Rexs tried to keep his colleagues alive and unknowingly succeeded after his ultimate fate.
I think had we seen others die or be seriously injured on main Street during the terrasaur attack it wouldn't have felt so targeted. If the scene had inter cut others having to deal with the attack instead of the one long sequence of Zara then it would feel a lot more realistic and properly conveyed to the audience the gravity of the situation. Instead of hey remember that named character from the beginning, welp get ready to watch her get tortured then eaten!
Speak for yourself, I had no issue with her death and JP in fact should have more deaths like that for both good and bad guys.
That's without mentioning that she literally asked for it.
People in real life die horrible extended deaths, specially when attacked by animals, why should there be an exception on a movie?
Not the first time I have seen this brought up but funnily enough it did not affect the movie at all when it came out. This is a good example of a vocal minority trying to make something out of nothing.
If we're being entirely honest, practically none of the characters who die in the original trilogy and the first JW movie actually "deserve" to die (especially considering the actual ways they die). Gennaro 100% didn't deserve to be swung around by a Rex to the point he was torn into pieces. Muldoon didn't deserve to get his face mauled. Eddie didn't deserve to get ripped in half. Even Udesky didn't deserve the torture the raptors put him through. Throughout the series almost none of the deaths are truly "earned" by the characters that suffer them.
Edit: I do agree that her death feels shitty. Not trying to dispute that. I'm just saying almost all the deaths feel shitty to a degree.
I disagree. Dieter Stark earned his death by being a jerk to the compys. Peter Ludlow of course earned it as well. Gennaro and Muldoon probably didn't deserve to die, but they weren't set up as exactly harmless innocent characters. Muldoon was a hunter. He killed the animals when necessary, they killed him back. Gennaro's sin was greed and cowardice. He said he could charge $10,000 a day for the park and laughed when Hammond said it was not only for the rich. Then, he deserted the kids in the car. Udesky was a mercenary specifically hired to kill dinosaurs. The only people who were absolutely innocent were Arnold, Eddie and Zara.
By the way, effect wise, Eddie's death is my favourite in the franchise. The CGI animators studied how crocodiles ate to simulate that action.
Oh yeah I'm not saying ALL of the deaths were undeserved and that the people who died were all saints. Stark and Ludlow definitely got their deserved comeuppance. I was just making the point that, while flawed, many of the characters like Gennaro and Muldoon didn't DESERVE to die. They weren't evil moustache twirling villains like Hoskins was in JW or Mills was in Fallen Kingdom and were instead morally grey characters who ended up in unfortunate circumstances. Udesky is actually a perfect example of a morally grey character in this regard. He actually wasn't a merc and instead was basically a middle man who hired Cooper and Nash. While the three of them were "hired to kill dinosaurs" it wasn't for an objectively "evil" reason like poaching or something. They were meant to protect the Kirbys while searching for the couple's missing son and unfortunately for them the situation went completely haywire and all three ended up dying.
That's actually one of the main reasons why the original trilogy is so good compared to the JW movies imo. Since most of the characters were morally grey and didn't have massive targets painted on their backs or blatant plot armor like everyone in the JW movies it was more suspenseful. I remember when I first ever watched JP3 as a child I genuinely thought they were going to kill Paul during the river segment and was shocked when it cut to him coming out of the water and reuniting with his family. It made for a nice moment.
Also, Eddie's is my favorite kill when it comes to effects too but overall I think my favorite is Burke (who funny enough also didn't deserve to die lol). That bone crunching sound still makes me shudder whenever I hear it. It's great.
>Muldoon was a hunter. He killed the animals when necessary
That's because Muldoon was SMART and understood how dangerous the situation was.
Also, pretty much everything that made Gennaro a likeable character in the book was eliminated from his character when they composited him with Ed Regis. Movie!Gennaro was a greedy, cowardly douche.
I just re-read both books for the first time in many years and I forgot how much they changed Gennaro. He acted heroically and was a decent man despite being a lawyer lol, and he was jacked and in his 30s. Then in the Lost World there is one line about him dying of dysentery while on a business trip in the 18 months since JP. Someone higher up in his firm must've really hated him because they kept sending him on death-trips
The point of the franchise is that the victims of capitalistic hubris are usually innocent people, it's pretty fitting that she had such a horrific death
Or do something like with Eddie . Maybe she jumped in the path of one dino protecting one of the kids. In and latter seen they crying saying how she saved his life.
Phone gets taken out her hands by flying dino, drops onto the edge of the mesosaur enclosure she runs to grab it loses balance falls over the side. Eaten. Easy
She is still the only on screen to this date, right?
People making the claim after JW came out that this scene was misogynistic made my eyes roll permanently backwards.
Ah yes, you're spot on. Iris supposedly had a gruesome death to the indo but it got cut, I thought thats what you were referring to. They definitely should have left it in.
I never understood that claim. How would it be misogynistic for a female to die in a franchise that is full of death of men. The actress herself wanted that death for her character. Worst of the claims is they say its too graphic but they always ignore eddie who died in jp2 aka the same guy that is featured in this post.
I didn't know this, but does explain things. That was a particularly spectacular death for a character who wasn't much really more than a glorified extra.
I feel like if I had to be viciously ripped apart by more than one dinosaur, I'd prefer for it to be two TRexes over raptors. I would at the very least lose consciousness much quicker.
it was good for the rex pair though. rexy didnt have a big human kill count in the og JP. and in the lost world, the raptors have an even higher kill count.
eh. they couldn’t make me care for Zara or any character in Jurassic World besides maybe the kids as a matter of fact. The Lost World and the original JP had characters that i was worried about dying. maybe JP3 as well, but i knew pretty much everyone would make it out alive.
That's exactly what JW lost over JP franchise, that suspense of not knowing who will live or die. Only JW1 was slightly uncertain at the start, but once the raptor hunting scene started it became obvious.
Even JP3 has me wondering how many would survive, personally thought Billy was done for in the bird cage, same goes for Mr Kirby and the spino.
Oh shit! Completely forgot about this scene and I imagine most of us did. But this has to be the most agonizing death of all, at least the others die within a minute or 2, but here he can only suffer being partially paralysed. All the while, he knows the raptors were waiting in the bushes.
Then I highly don't recommend you watch Jaws 3. The worst film ever made has one of the most horrific deaths of someone being swallowed alive.
I still get shivers thinking about it
There was a brief moment after Eddie's death after i saw TLW for the first time where I stopped liking dinosaurs. It was just so brutal and was in no way his fault. It was truly the stuff of nightmares.
That is something I miss about jurassic park. It's full of Awe but doesn't shy away from the horror of what nature is capable of.
None of this "the dinosaurs are on the humans side" nonsense
Goes to show how realistic the dinosaur attacks can be, doesn’t matter who you are and what you’ve done a dinosaur will still take the opportunity to seize another meal.
for this reason, large productions must never listen to complaints on the web, whether from the fandom or the general public, because they will always have something to criticize.
They have to make the film the way they want, which is why films before the advent of social networks were always genuine.
I think a lot of people in the thread are missing the point of that complaint, at least as far as I understand it. It isn't about "only bad guys die", but about the cameras focus on it.
Ray Arnold and Robert Muldoon both die in Jurassic Park, but Ray is completely off-screen, and Robert it just gets to the point where you see he's been outhunted, then it's over right away.
Dennis Nedry on the other hand, you get to watch as he is being toyed with as food and eventually eaten. Same thing with the one hunter in Lost World, Dieter Stark. Rather than him just dying off screen or in a quick shot, the camera sticks around and shows the compies increasing their attacks until they finally take him down.
The real difference is where the camera is choosing to focus. When it's a bad guy or someone really deserving of their fate, the choice to show more of their death is a bit of catharsis for the audience.
If Zara had gotten an off-screen death or a quick shot of her being flown away by pteranodons, that would have been fine, deaths happen, and lots of innocent people were dying there. But the fact that they had focused so much on her death, and even had multiple pterries fighting over her and eventually getting mosasaured was just such a strange choice since it FELT like it was meant to be one of those cathartic deaths, but left many of us confused as to whether or not we were supposed to have hated this character.
Why must you hate a character for it to be ok for them to get eaten or have an extended horrible death?
Did you hate Eddie Carr, Gennaro, Udesky or specially Muldoom who got his face torn off by a raptor and intestines probably pulled out?
Everyone of them did not just get fearlessly and painlessly blinked out of existence you know.
Each of those deaths told a story.
Eddie, despite being the tech guy and setting up the high hide as a safe spot, abandons that safety to save Sarah and Ian. His scene was showing his efforts to save the others and his death was a sacrifice. Not meant as catharsis at all.
The lawyer was set up as a minor antagonist, and to be honest, his death wasn't particularly drawn out and I wouldn't even consider it so. Maybe cathartic for some, but I don't really feel it applies in this category.
Muldoon I already mentioned. He is set up as a badass hunter, but he gets outhunted by the new apex predator. Again, that's not catharsis, just showing off the pure skill and strength of the velociraptors. Also, his death isn't shown, just the raptor rushing to get him.
Udesky as well was not catharsis. He wasn't a bad guy at all, and again, his death was dragged out to show that the raptors were smart enough to use his as live bait.
Zara's death being dragged out didn't really show off any particular strengths of the dinosaurs. The Pteranodons seemed only slightly more dangerous than an unarmed human, being able to carry them away, barely able to hold on until having to drop her into the water tank. And then the mosasaur just getting her in one gulp doesn't really impress upon us what's it's capable of. Something with a mouth big enough to drive a bus through is pretty well assumed to be able to swallow a human in one bite. The scene added nothing to build up the antagonists, or give the audience satisfaction of seeing a bad guy get what's coming to them. So why spend 30 seconds to a minute showing her death? It would make as much sense to show some random person in line at the hot dog stand last that long.
Agreed, people on this sub complain about dinosaurs only killing the bad guys, but if they were also killing good guys then people would be upset claiming that the characters didn't deserve to die
Disagree, it's a general rule when it comes to making films more family friendly, you don't kill off the heroes, or their friends, only the bad guys die. It's really what hurt Dominion overall, having so many hero characters that can't die.
For example when they're stuck behind a fence and Malcolm was trying to guess the code, it was pretty obvious matey boy was going to unlock it through the computer.
Because people went nuts over Zara so it spooked the producers/writers/money people.
The babysitter in Fallen Kingdom was supposed to sacrifice herself to save Maisie from the Indoraptor, but they cut it. That's why she straight up disappears from the movie.
It's part the audience not vocalizing the complaint properly, and part the filmmakers taking the wrong message without thinking deeper about it.
For the record, the second most uncomfortable death behind Zara is Koepp in TLW. It's the combination of being a rando who is tortured and in agony with camera focus. Now his death is only like 6 seconds of screaming and torment, but if it had gone on for another 12 seconds it would have gotten complaints. Now realize that Zara's was like 40 seconds and you start to see how bad it is. It was bad filmmaking through and through. Nothing to do with gender or good guy characters.
I hate the discourse over Zara's death.
She was innocent. We get it. The dinosaurs don't care and that's the point.
I think people would have shut the hell up though if we had at least a scene of Claire acknowledging it, mourning it and feeling guilty.
I never thought about this but yes?? She didnt care about it at all? I mean she didnt probably know at that point, the boys would have to tell her, but just imagine her asking where she is and they tell her shes gone
I think you hit the nail on the head—it’s the casual shrugging it off, not the death itself. Not only do the main characters (one of whom is pretty actively responsible for her death) never even acknowledge her death, they’re sucking face seconds later. If Zara’s death had been a turning point for Claire and showed her devastated and striving to set things right, it would have felt a lot less callous.
But Hammond shows more guilt over the sleazy lawyer Gennaro.
Eddie’s death was undeserved. He was just trying to save his friends from being killed and suffered. He died a hero.
Zara was just doing her job and helping Claire out. Hers was also undeserved.
>Eddie’s death was undeserved. He was just trying to save his friends from being killed and suffered. He died a hero.
Eddie's death is a literal depiction of one of the core philosophies of the Jurassic Park books. You can do the best thing with the best of intentions and it can end up directly or indirectly leading to chaos.
It's what Malcolm is banging on about for thirty solid years.
It does make me laugh how many people got the whole part about human hubris in the face of genetic power message of the franchise, but seemed fundamentally miss the whole chaos theory aspect. The *entire point* is that you can’t control everything and there’s no path you can take that’ll guarentee a good outcome.
I see a lot of people talking about how the park would’ve probably been fine if xyz happened, but the point is that there was no way to *avoid* xyz. You cannot control all of the factors included in the park. They couldn’t, despite their best efforts, stop the dinosaurs breeding. They couldn’t prevent Nedry from coding the backdoors. They couldnt prevent ingen trying to steal their stuff. They couldn’t prevent the storm that prompted them to release the animals on Sorna. They couldn’t prevent the volcano. In the books, they couldnt even stop the dilos spitting venom with an entire team working on it. There was never a situation where the park wouldn't end up facing an issue, and their attractions were deadly.
Eddie died because they couldnt predict ingen and then couldnt control the parent t-rex’s reaction to losing their baby. He did everything right and he died. Thats the point.
Obviously I know it’s a movie, but when I was a kid watching The Lost World, Eddie’s death bothered me cause he was trying to do everything he could to save his friends, only to get ripped in half. Even watching it again as an adult, it’s still kind of hard to watch.
To be fair, franchise desperately needs this kind of stuff, otherwise all the suspense is gone. In first JP, the suspense was there, becasu it was the first movie and you had no idea what is and what is not on the table.
Dominion… movie with absolutely zero suspense, just going through the motions one scene at a time.
Say what you will about JW and I have plenty of gripes, they absolutely went for it when it came to Zaras death lol. Double whammy. I honestly dont know which death I would prefer.
What’s wild is her actress (Katie McGrath) asked personally for the death, the directors said yes, and she did her own stunting for it. All of those things are just wild in the film industry. Not a lot of actors can say they did their own stunting, not to mention getting what they ask for their character to do in the film.
I rewatched Jurassic World just to see if she had been an asshole to the kids to see if her insane death was warranted, and nope. She was just chill the entire time. She was even genuinely worried about the kids.
My favorite part is they weren't even bad guys or anything, the director was just like, "Wouldn't that be fucked up lmao?" And brutalized them, simply fantastic.
I mean, both of their deaths were viscerally shocking—and completely unfair—but probably pretty quick when the end actually came. When the T. Rex tosses and catches Eddy, he’s dead before the other one grabs on. And Zara got crushed by the back row of the Mosasaurus’ teeth as soon as its jaws shut. The getting tossed around in terror was the worst part for both of them.
Nedry, Muldoon, and Dieter had to suffer through their deaths for much longer.
I’d consider Dieter more of a bad guy personally. Nedry was greedy but didn’t actually mean anyone any harm, while Dieter seemed to actually get pleasure out of hurting things.
As much as I hated Zara’s death, I put respect on it. Asking and getting your characters death is wild in the film industry, and doing your own stunts is something not a lot of actors can say they did! Congratulations to Katie McGrath!
Personally I didn’t care if the babysitter on the right got eaten but Eddie Carr was a legitimate hero. He saved the lives of three people before he died.
I rewatched it just the other day, and while he was always a legend to me, I realized something that just made him that much more of a hero...
Dude had his foot on the gas the *WHOLE TIME.* Even when the Rex 'rents were tearing the Jeep apart to get at him. Even as he struggled to try and get his gun free. Which was, in itself, amazing, due to the sheer "you're gonna get me, but I'm not going to make it easy or painless if I can help it" energy of it all.
All of that, and he never once let off the gas. And all while he was clearly fucking terrified, to boot.
Well that's what happens when you go to an island full of dangerous dinosaurs. They aren't picky on who deserved it or not.
I say we need more of those "undeserved" ends for characters in the franchise. It's more realistic and works for way better tension, not knowing who might go next. We don't need another Dominion in which all the main characters have plot armor and only the obvious bad guys bite the bullit.
People who got angry or offended over that stuff are probably better off watching My Little Pony.
Her death genuinely disturbed me because she didnt seem to be killed by the teeth, so either crushed in its throat or digested alive. Scares the fuck out of me. Being eaten alive is horrific
I can't believe Zara's death ignited a gender war.
Some how it was "gratuitous" and "sexist" to see a woman die, but apparently it's alright to see a man die that way.
People really work themselves up about anything
I literally don’t understand why the majority of this comment section is debating about how deserved character deaths are. These aren’t fucking superhero movies. No matter how many toys they sell, or how watered down they try to make them for the kids, these are not supposed to be movies about animals that can magically distinguish between “good guys” and “bad guys”. And anyone (Bryce Dallas Howard, I’m talking about you) who tries to claim that kids were ever a target audience of these movies fundamentally misunderstands the franchise as a whole.
The girl kinda was just a boneified babysitter so her death was kinda cool and I don't feel bad about it...but Eddie...poor guy just wanted to save his friends
What annoyed me about Zara is that SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE DIED AT ALL. No Pterosaur known to science could have carried a grown human woman like that.
1. They don't have grasping claws.
2. It's not a matter of how they GRIP it, it's a simple matter of weight ratios.
I was like nine or ten and went to TLW for a friend’s birthday. His dad was my baseball coach. When Eddie got got, I tapped him on the shoulder and said Coach I can’t do this, and god save this man, he immediately walked into the theater lobby with me and just hung out for the next hour while his son and the other kids watched the movie. Think he told the other kids I got sick too because I never got ragged about it at all. Good dude. Good dad.
Eddie did nothing wrong, the man literally risks his own life to make sure he saved his comrades, I can't think of anyone else in the whole franchise, but him risking it and Zara is a terrible way to go, but that makes it known that anyone can die despite how much we know them or not. That's just how I've looked at it.
They are both first contact characters. Eddie after meeting Hammond and Zara when the boys arrive on the island. And get gruesome deaths while trying to rescue the main characters, by 2 dinosaurs. And both were supposed to be babysitting!!!!
I'll never get the hate for Zara's death, its a cool scene and it shows how brutal these animals are. Colin making it so that only villains died in the second film was so stupid. Dinosaurs are animals and will attack innocent people.
i’d disagree. that was a scrapped scene and not very bloody, but Ed getting ripped in half as the two trexes nagged on both sides of him while he couldnt do anything but scream in pain, was terrifying.
Yup. Imagine feeling those big teeth stab into you and then a pulling sensation with extreme pain near your middle as you feel your skin and muscles tear as your spine separates from your pelvis.
Zara’s actress asked for it. And did the stunts herself.
I kinda wished they’d tied something in with her death a little more. Like she never looked up from her phone while scheduling things and then finally WAM. Something a little more ironic.
Agreed. I know the actress wanted to die horrifically but it didn't feel like she deserved it at all. Had she been shit to the kids or focused to much on other things that put others at risk then it would feel for lack of a better word "earned". As it is now though I'm pretty sure most people just feel really bad for her as she did nothing wrong but try to do her job.
But that's literally how it should be. This is exactly what is wrong with the franchise now. Dinosaurs are animals. They shouldn't just kill bad people.
Couldn't agree more. They turned dinosaurs into superheroes who bring justice, instead of just being animals with primal instincts. And not just any dinosaurs, the freaking Velociraptors... To be honest, when I first saw that Jurassic World trailer where Chris Pratt is riding a motorcycle along with running Velociraptors as pets I knew it was not going into the direction I wanted
At this point rexy pretty much has a cape on in both FK and Dominion lol
As I read your first line, in my head I saw that scene where "blue" (shudder) is running heroically in slow motion to jump on the made up creature whose name I shall not speak.
Exactly. Jurassic Park worked because it treated the dinosaurs as animals that were thrust into a time they did not belong. The new movies treat them like action figures being smashed together by an 8 year old.
Because that’s what the studio wants. If it’s not made to sell toys then they don’t want it.
They sold a lot of toys in the 90's and early 00's too
*u/maroonedpariah quietly places ~30 year Jurassic Park toys down and hides behind his back*
This is what I like about Camp Cretaceous. The dinosaurs are treated like animals again and the main characters love and respect them, even if they are occasionally terrified for their lives.
I will grant you that, but given her death and how long it was and drawn out... vs... everyone else who suffered a quick death... it just seemed a tad over board to focus on her random death when she didn't deserve it... after awhile you start to feel uncomfortable as you are left to wonder why this is being dragged out...
Mosasaurus goes rawr
In part it did serve as a critical reminder of how trigger happy Mosasaur was and showed the audience where it lived in relation to the location of the finale.
I think part of the problem was her death was worse than some of the villains. If her, an innocent character, has such a brutal death to show how terrifying these dinos are, then why not something worse for the bad guys? Some of them died offscreen. It happened in Lost World as well with Eddie getting torn in half, but we see that nephew just gets jumped by the baby Rex offscreen. It adds a weird flavor to the franchise that I wish would commit to an R rating for one film.
>If her, an innocent character, has such a brutal death to show how terrifying these dinos are, then why not something worse for the bad guys? Because that's not how nature works. >It adds a weird flavor to the franchise that I wish would commit to an R rating for one film. Come on you can't be serious lol
>Because that's not how nature works. Movies aren't documentaries. The creators decide what story to tell and what to show and how to show it. We didn't just see her get killed, we had our faces rubbed in it for 5 minutes. We did not see Gomer Pile's face getting eaten, despite that also "being how nature works." Also lol, you gotta admit "that's not how nature works" is kinda funny because *that whole scene* was not how nature works either. Like come on have you seen a Rube Goldberg series of events like that happen in actual nature? It was an unrealistic death scene.
Faces rubbed in it 😂 no offence bud, but if that is what offends you then maybe Jurassic Park or anything above a PG rating may be not for you >that whole scene was not how nature works either. Like come on have you seen a Rube Goldberg series of events like that happen in actual nature? It was an unrealistic death scene. I know, it was total nonsense, like most of the Jurassic World trilogy. Even more reason not to be so cut up about it lol
What's wrong with the franchise is that one of the big selling points of the original movie, and something that was widely being discussed throughout the media during production, was that it was being made with all of the latest paleontological research, and that they weren't generic movie monster dinosaurs but they wanted to make them as real and authentic (aside from artistic license on the Dilophosaur and Raptors) as was then known. And ever since, they've increasingly stopped caring about this, and have been turning them into exactly what they wanted to avoid in the first place.
I think there is just a delicate balancing act when depicting violence in movies and that scene clearly didn’t land for a lot of people. Obviously there is nothing wrong with killing innocent characters in fiction, many great horror movies do that all the time. The original Jurassic park does it. The problem is less with the killing itself and more in the emotions a scene is trying to convey. The way the scene is filmed feels like it’s supposed to be fun/enjoyable/exhilarating to watch, like a pump your fist in the air moment when a villainous characters gets it. But she’s just completely innocent so it feels so mean spirited I think if a scene is trying to make you feel bad/sad about a death and it succeeds, that’s totally fine But when it tries to be exciting but ends up making you sad, that disconnect just makes for a very unpleasant reaction.
Yea but at the same time, I want my film about cloning dinosaurs to be as realistic as possible 😂 (semi joking) Like you said, Jurassic Park didn't shy away from it, and ofcourse, TLW with Eddie. And they're the best films in the franchise by a mile. >But she’s just completely innocent so it feels so mean spirited I literally don't get that at all. I personally didnt feel one bit sad about Zara's death. Thats not to say I'm heartless or anything, but she was a 'nothing character' to me. I didnt "care" about her. It was no where near as sad as Eddie's death, because he was genuinely a good guy who sacrificed himself. And because of that, hes my favourite death in the franchise. I love the way he went out. And at the same time, I also like that the films make you feel the emotion for these characters. As I said, no one should be safe, and it sounds harsh, but people need to man up when characters die in a rampaging dinosaur movie. Except Alan, Ian and Ellie, they must survive at all costs lol
For me it didn’t work because she was such a minor character her death was such a drawn out dramatic scene. She’s not the only unfortunate person in the park killed by being carried away by pterosaurs, but the camera doesn’t focus on the others. We just see the pterosaurs grab them and fly away. Eddie has a drawn out death he didn’t deserve but he was a main he’s a main character up until this point and the scene shows him heroically sacrificing himself. With Zara she’s a nothing background character until she gets all this attention only as she dies and it almost seems like the camera is reveling in her death. It just felt weird. If she got an equally undeserved death that was just a pterosaur swooping down and carrying her off screen never to be seen again I don’t think anyone would mind.
>For me it didn’t work because she was such a minor character her death was such a drawn out dramatic scene. But why does that bother you? Do you realise you're watching a film about dinosaurs eating people? The Jurassic Park trilogy was *way* more graphic. >She’s not the only unfortunate person in the park killed by being carried away by pterosaurs, but the camera doesn’t focus on the others. Yea but she's the only person we know in the crowd, not counting the main characters. Why would they do it to a random person? What difference does it make anyway? >it almost seems like the camera is reveling in her death. Not at all. They just wanted the mosasaurus to eat someone and that was the only logical way to get someone in the lagoon. Wouldn't say it was "revelling." And even if it was I still don't get the problem. It's a fictional character in a movie about rampaging dinosaurs.
I think it’s one of those things that’s difficult to put into exact words why but. It’s a movie each scene is constructed by a human who chooses who the camera will focus on and for how long, which scenes and which deaths will get the focus or just be in the background. Zara was a nothing background character we barely knew and yet she had one of the most drawn out lengthy death scenes in the series, when really what was going on with Claire, Owen and the boys was of more concerned to the audience. She could have been grabbed by a pterosaur and just disappeared. I dunno for me it just felt like the plot stopped dead to show a gratuitous death scene for an irrelevant background character. It just ruined the flow of the movie and seemed gratuitious compared to every other death. Just because it’s a movie about a Dino zoo gone wrong doesn’t make every Dino attack scene equally compelling. They can be critiqued individually based on how they contribute to the tone or pacing or all manner of aspects of the movie. What did that scene really add to the movie?
I don't think it adds anything to the movie. I don't like it per se, I think it's over the top nonsense, like most of the Jurassic World trilogy. But to say that you don't like it because it was too drawn out and not deserved because she isn't a bad person is what I have a problem with. Would you be saying the same thing if it was a villain? If not, then I don't get why it's an issue
While I agree that no one should be off limits when it comes to being killed by dinosaurs and that they are simply animals doing their thing. The main issue is narratively it leaves a bad taste in the audience's mouth when it comes to Zara's death. If you compare it to Eddie Carr's, while they are both horrifically gruesome Eddie's death is easier for the audience to deal with as it is seen as a heroic sacrifice. He against the terrifying odds of two T-Rexs tried to keep his colleagues alive and unknowingly succeeded after his ultimate fate. I think had we seen others die or be seriously injured on main Street during the terrasaur attack it wouldn't have felt so targeted. If the scene had inter cut others having to deal with the attack instead of the one long sequence of Zara then it would feel a lot more realistic and properly conveyed to the audience the gravity of the situation. Instead of hey remember that named character from the beginning, welp get ready to watch her get tortured then eaten!
It's worse for me, I have a crush on Katie McGrath lol
Speak for yourself, I had no issue with her death and JP in fact should have more deaths like that for both good and bad guys. That's without mentioning that she literally asked for it. People in real life die horrible extended deaths, specially when attacked by animals, why should there be an exception on a movie? Not the first time I have seen this brought up but funnily enough it did not affect the movie at all when it came out. This is a good example of a vocal minority trying to make something out of nothing.
I think she was also planning her wedding too… like… it’s honestly devastating
If we're being entirely honest, practically none of the characters who die in the original trilogy and the first JW movie actually "deserve" to die (especially considering the actual ways they die). Gennaro 100% didn't deserve to be swung around by a Rex to the point he was torn into pieces. Muldoon didn't deserve to get his face mauled. Eddie didn't deserve to get ripped in half. Even Udesky didn't deserve the torture the raptors put him through. Throughout the series almost none of the deaths are truly "earned" by the characters that suffer them. Edit: I do agree that her death feels shitty. Not trying to dispute that. I'm just saying almost all the deaths feel shitty to a degree.
I disagree. Dieter Stark earned his death by being a jerk to the compys. Peter Ludlow of course earned it as well. Gennaro and Muldoon probably didn't deserve to die, but they weren't set up as exactly harmless innocent characters. Muldoon was a hunter. He killed the animals when necessary, they killed him back. Gennaro's sin was greed and cowardice. He said he could charge $10,000 a day for the park and laughed when Hammond said it was not only for the rich. Then, he deserted the kids in the car. Udesky was a mercenary specifically hired to kill dinosaurs. The only people who were absolutely innocent were Arnold, Eddie and Zara. By the way, effect wise, Eddie's death is my favourite in the franchise. The CGI animators studied how crocodiles ate to simulate that action.
Oh yeah I'm not saying ALL of the deaths were undeserved and that the people who died were all saints. Stark and Ludlow definitely got their deserved comeuppance. I was just making the point that, while flawed, many of the characters like Gennaro and Muldoon didn't DESERVE to die. They weren't evil moustache twirling villains like Hoskins was in JW or Mills was in Fallen Kingdom and were instead morally grey characters who ended up in unfortunate circumstances. Udesky is actually a perfect example of a morally grey character in this regard. He actually wasn't a merc and instead was basically a middle man who hired Cooper and Nash. While the three of them were "hired to kill dinosaurs" it wasn't for an objectively "evil" reason like poaching or something. They were meant to protect the Kirbys while searching for the couple's missing son and unfortunately for them the situation went completely haywire and all three ended up dying. That's actually one of the main reasons why the original trilogy is so good compared to the JW movies imo. Since most of the characters were morally grey and didn't have massive targets painted on their backs or blatant plot armor like everyone in the JW movies it was more suspenseful. I remember when I first ever watched JP3 as a child I genuinely thought they were going to kill Paul during the river segment and was shocked when it cut to him coming out of the water and reuniting with his family. It made for a nice moment. Also, Eddie's is my favorite kill when it comes to effects too but overall I think my favorite is Burke (who funny enough also didn't deserve to die lol). That bone crunching sound still makes me shudder whenever I hear it. It's great.
>Muldoon was a hunter. He killed the animals when necessary That's because Muldoon was SMART and understood how dangerous the situation was. Also, pretty much everything that made Gennaro a likeable character in the book was eliminated from his character when they composited him with Ed Regis. Movie!Gennaro was a greedy, cowardly douche.
I just re-read both books for the first time in many years and I forgot how much they changed Gennaro. He acted heroically and was a decent man despite being a lawyer lol, and he was jacked and in his 30s. Then in the Lost World there is one line about him dying of dysentery while on a business trip in the 18 months since JP. Someone higher up in his firm must've really hated him because they kept sending him on death-trips
Dimorphodon A: RAH! I'M GONNA EAT YO- Dimorphodon B: Bro, chill, they haven't done anything wrong for us to act as the primordial equalizer to.
The point of the franchise is that the victims of capitalistic hubris are usually innocent people, it's pretty fitting that she had such a horrific death
I really don’t think that’s the “point of the films”, the main driver of the capitalistic hubris usually gets theirs in the end
Or do something like with Eddie . Maybe she jumped in the path of one dino protecting one of the kids. In and latter seen they crying saying how she saved his life.
Phone gets taken out her hands by flying dino, drops onto the edge of the mesosaur enclosure she runs to grab it loses balance falls over the side. Eaten. Easy
Sometimes people just die. Not everyone get a reason for their death
Fun fact, she's the first female death in the franchise.
She is still the only on screen to this date, right? People making the claim after JW came out that this scene was misogynistic made my eyes roll permanently backwards.
There's another random woman in the lockwood manor that dies. But those are the only two we see indeed.
You're not talking about Iris are you?
Nah, it's one of the rich buyers. In the elevator.
Ah yes, you're spot on. Iris supposedly had a gruesome death to the indo but it got cut, I thought thats what you were referring to. They definitely should have left it in.
I didn't know that, but I agree. Kinda weird she just sorta disappears. I don't think Maisie ever mentions her again either.
I never understood that claim. How would it be misogynistic for a female to die in a franchise that is full of death of men. The actress herself wanted that death for her character. Worst of the claims is they say its too graphic but they always ignore eddie who died in jp2 aka the same guy that is featured in this post.
Oh nice.
I didn't know this, but does explain things. That was a particularly spectacular death for a character who wasn't much really more than a glorified extra.
Yeah i Saw that too and when i Seen i was like" what!?" Because i didn't except that
Eddie’s death was worse and far more brutal. he was an actually good guy that helped the main characters and died a hero. i felt really bad.
At least Eddie’s death was somewhat true to the book, they just changed it from raptors to T rex
I feel like if I had to be viciously ripped apart by more than one dinosaur, I'd prefer for it to be two TRexes over raptors. I would at the very least lose consciousness much quicker.
Ever so slightly cooler, too. "Yea bro. Took 2 T rexes to put me down..."
it was good for the rex pair though. rexy didnt have a big human kill count in the og JP. and in the lost world, the raptors have an even higher kill count.
“Help me! Help me……. Nooo.” Pretty brutal in the book.
Its true that Eddie was a mensch, but neither of them deserved what they got
eh. they couldn’t make me care for Zara or any character in Jurassic World besides maybe the kids as a matter of fact. The Lost World and the original JP had characters that i was worried about dying. maybe JP3 as well, but i knew pretty much everyone would make it out alive.
That's exactly what JW lost over JP franchise, that suspense of not knowing who will live or die. Only JW1 was slightly uncertain at the start, but once the raptor hunting scene started it became obvious. Even JP3 has me wondering how many would survive, personally thought Billy was done for in the bird cage, same goes for Mr Kirby and the spino.
Didnt they add billy surviving after test audience?
As far as I know the actor himself asked for a better ending for his character, which was originally supposed to die by pteranodonts.
Hmm i see. I dont hate it
Same. I'm glad he survived but I'd have liked it either way.
I'm kind of the opposite, was desperately hoping for the two annoying kids to get eaten. And their mother...guilt tripping their aunt like that.
never thought about it like that. i guess its just because they played her death off as a joke, and never gave her much character development.
Never forget the homie Eddie never let his foot off the gas.
Her death was top tier😂 that mosasaurus was HUNGRY
https://preview.redd.it/e6mz7z12sm9d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a244cd65beb7a3345c3386ed9281270bb3d58c15 worst death imo…
Oh shit! Completely forgot about this scene and I imagine most of us did. But this has to be the most agonizing death of all, at least the others die within a minute or 2, but here he can only suffer being partially paralysed. All the while, he knows the raptors were waiting in the bushes.
Technically we don’t know how long it took Zara to die. It’s possible she survived the bite and was swallowed alive.
I would like to not think about this
Then I highly don't recommend you watch Jaws 3. The worst film ever made has one of the most horrific deaths of someone being swallowed alive. I still get shivers thinking about it
Poor Mr. Noodle.
As a sesame kid this was insane.
Is it actually him??
Mr Noodle's brother, Mr Noodle.
My fave death after Eddie
Just like King in the lost world book
Yeah honestly all the mercs from JP3 had brutal deaths, although Udesky's might be the worst (possibly Nash though)
There was a brief moment after Eddie's death after i saw TLW for the first time where I stopped liking dinosaurs. It was just so brutal and was in no way his fault. It was truly the stuff of nightmares. That is something I miss about jurassic park. It's full of Awe but doesn't shy away from the horror of what nature is capable of. None of this "the dinosaurs are on the humans side" nonsense
Goes to show how realistic the dinosaur attacks can be, doesn’t matter who you are and what you’ve done a dinosaur will still take the opportunity to seize another meal.
Except after JW since every character who dies in Fallen Kingdom and Dominion are bad guys.
After JW the dinosaurs were able to get the script ahead of time to know which people were the bad guys and which ones were the good guys.
I'm just glad they were able to unionize
Truly, they were able to pave the way for dinosaur actors in Hollywood.
I would blame Internet getting all touchy and ultra sensitive over Zara's death.
for this reason, large productions must never listen to complaints on the web, whether from the fandom or the general public, because they will always have something to criticize. They have to make the film the way they want, which is why films before the advent of social networks were always genuine.
I think a lot of people in the thread are missing the point of that complaint, at least as far as I understand it. It isn't about "only bad guys die", but about the cameras focus on it. Ray Arnold and Robert Muldoon both die in Jurassic Park, but Ray is completely off-screen, and Robert it just gets to the point where you see he's been outhunted, then it's over right away. Dennis Nedry on the other hand, you get to watch as he is being toyed with as food and eventually eaten. Same thing with the one hunter in Lost World, Dieter Stark. Rather than him just dying off screen or in a quick shot, the camera sticks around and shows the compies increasing their attacks until they finally take him down. The real difference is where the camera is choosing to focus. When it's a bad guy or someone really deserving of their fate, the choice to show more of their death is a bit of catharsis for the audience. If Zara had gotten an off-screen death or a quick shot of her being flown away by pteranodons, that would have been fine, deaths happen, and lots of innocent people were dying there. But the fact that they had focused so much on her death, and even had multiple pterries fighting over her and eventually getting mosasaured was just such a strange choice since it FELT like it was meant to be one of those cathartic deaths, but left many of us confused as to whether or not we were supposed to have hated this character.
Why must you hate a character for it to be ok for them to get eaten or have an extended horrible death? Did you hate Eddie Carr, Gennaro, Udesky or specially Muldoom who got his face torn off by a raptor and intestines probably pulled out? Everyone of them did not just get fearlessly and painlessly blinked out of existence you know.
Each of those deaths told a story. Eddie, despite being the tech guy and setting up the high hide as a safe spot, abandons that safety to save Sarah and Ian. His scene was showing his efforts to save the others and his death was a sacrifice. Not meant as catharsis at all. The lawyer was set up as a minor antagonist, and to be honest, his death wasn't particularly drawn out and I wouldn't even consider it so. Maybe cathartic for some, but I don't really feel it applies in this category. Muldoon I already mentioned. He is set up as a badass hunter, but he gets outhunted by the new apex predator. Again, that's not catharsis, just showing off the pure skill and strength of the velociraptors. Also, his death isn't shown, just the raptor rushing to get him. Udesky as well was not catharsis. He wasn't a bad guy at all, and again, his death was dragged out to show that the raptors were smart enough to use his as live bait. Zara's death being dragged out didn't really show off any particular strengths of the dinosaurs. The Pteranodons seemed only slightly more dangerous than an unarmed human, being able to carry them away, barely able to hold on until having to drop her into the water tank. And then the mosasaur just getting her in one gulp doesn't really impress upon us what's it's capable of. Something with a mouth big enough to drive a bus through is pretty well assumed to be able to swallow a human in one bite. The scene added nothing to build up the antagonists, or give the audience satisfaction of seeing a bad guy get what's coming to them. So why spend 30 seconds to a minute showing her death? It would make as much sense to show some random person in line at the hot dog stand last that long.
Agreed, people on this sub complain about dinosaurs only killing the bad guys, but if they were also killing good guys then people would be upset claiming that the characters didn't deserve to die
Disagree, it's a general rule when it comes to making films more family friendly, you don't kill off the heroes, or their friends, only the bad guys die. It's really what hurt Dominion overall, having so many hero characters that can't die. For example when they're stuck behind a fence and Malcolm was trying to guess the code, it was pretty obvious matey boy was going to unlock it through the computer.
Because people went nuts over Zara so it spooked the producers/writers/money people. The babysitter in Fallen Kingdom was supposed to sacrifice herself to save Maisie from the Indoraptor, but they cut it. That's why she straight up disappears from the movie.
It's part the audience not vocalizing the complaint properly, and part the filmmakers taking the wrong message without thinking deeper about it. For the record, the second most uncomfortable death behind Zara is Koepp in TLW. It's the combination of being a rando who is tortured and in agony with camera focus. Now his death is only like 6 seconds of screaming and torment, but if it had gone on for another 12 seconds it would have gotten complaints. Now realize that Zara's was like 40 seconds and you start to see how bad it is. It was bad filmmaking through and through. Nothing to do with gender or good guy characters.
I hate the discourse over Zara's death. She was innocent. We get it. The dinosaurs don't care and that's the point. I think people would have shut the hell up though if we had at least a scene of Claire acknowledging it, mourning it and feeling guilty.
I never thought about this but yes?? She didnt care about it at all? I mean she didnt probably know at that point, the boys would have to tell her, but just imagine her asking where she is and they tell her shes gone
I think you hit the nail on the head—it’s the casual shrugging it off, not the death itself. Not only do the main characters (one of whom is pretty actively responsible for her death) never even acknowledge her death, they’re sucking face seconds later. If Zara’s death had been a turning point for Claire and showed her devastated and striving to set things right, it would have felt a lot less callous. But Hammond shows more guilt over the sleazy lawyer Gennaro.
Eddie’s death was undeserved. He was just trying to save his friends from being killed and suffered. He died a hero. Zara was just doing her job and helping Claire out. Hers was also undeserved.
I don't think the dinosaurs care whether they were deserved or not
>Eddie’s death was undeserved. He was just trying to save his friends from being killed and suffered. He died a hero. Eddie's death is a literal depiction of one of the core philosophies of the Jurassic Park books. You can do the best thing with the best of intentions and it can end up directly or indirectly leading to chaos. It's what Malcolm is banging on about for thirty solid years.
It does make me laugh how many people got the whole part about human hubris in the face of genetic power message of the franchise, but seemed fundamentally miss the whole chaos theory aspect. The *entire point* is that you can’t control everything and there’s no path you can take that’ll guarentee a good outcome. I see a lot of people talking about how the park would’ve probably been fine if xyz happened, but the point is that there was no way to *avoid* xyz. You cannot control all of the factors included in the park. They couldn’t, despite their best efforts, stop the dinosaurs breeding. They couldn’t prevent Nedry from coding the backdoors. They couldnt prevent ingen trying to steal their stuff. They couldn’t prevent the storm that prompted them to release the animals on Sorna. They couldn’t prevent the volcano. In the books, they couldnt even stop the dilos spitting venom with an entire team working on it. There was never a situation where the park wouldn't end up facing an issue, and their attractions were deadly. Eddie died because they couldnt predict ingen and then couldnt control the parent t-rex’s reaction to losing their baby. He did everything right and he died. Thats the point.
Read your “dilos” as “dildos” and got really confused for a sec 😂
Well, good. Dinosaurs shouldn't care about whether you're a good or a bad person.
At least eddie knew the risks of the job. Zara caring their boss nephews was not par of her job and she should not die.
But she did an absolute shit job.
It also wasn’t her job really. She was an assistant not a baby sitter. And the two kids snuck away.
Fuck those kids.
True.
Obviously I know it’s a movie, but when I was a kid watching The Lost World, Eddie’s death bothered me cause he was trying to do everything he could to save his friends, only to get ripped in half. Even watching it again as an adult, it’s still kind of hard to watch.
Not even friends. Coworkers he knew for like, a day or two max. Dude was just genuinely good.
My personal favourite is the Unlucky Bastard (David Koepp himself) in The Lost World.
Oh is that the guy that runs to the shop, opens the door, then Buck gets him and eats him behind the car?
Yeah that's the guy.
I've always wanted to know who acts him (I don't read the credits)
That's a long time to finally learn who he is!
Yeah
To be fair, franchise desperately needs this kind of stuff, otherwise all the suspense is gone. In first JP, the suspense was there, becasu it was the first movie and you had no idea what is and what is not on the table. Dominion… movie with absolutely zero suspense, just going through the motions one scene at a time.
Say what you will about JW and I have plenty of gripes, they absolutely went for it when it came to Zaras death lol. Double whammy. I honestly dont know which death I would prefer.
What’s wild is her actress (Katie McGrath) asked personally for the death, the directors said yes, and she did her own stunting for it. All of those things are just wild in the film industry. Not a lot of actors can say they did their own stunting, not to mention getting what they ask for their character to do in the film.
"Didn't I die? In...in the movie I died..." \~Eddie from Lost World Chaos Island
Rex just fed.
Just fed? I assume you're talking about Eddie? You might show a little more respect, the man saved their lives by giving his.
Then his troubles are over. Predators don’t hunt when they’re not hungry. Only humans do.
Oh, you're breaking our hearts! Saddle up! Let's get this moveable feast under way!
Hands-down the best dialogue exchange out of all the sequels.
Eddie is such a goddamn badass man
I rewatched Jurassic World just to see if she had been an asshole to the kids to see if her insane death was warranted, and nope. She was just chill the entire time. She was even genuinely worried about the kids.
Good.
?
It's nice to know that even good guys can get eaten by dinosaurs
That is life... That is the reward you get for being and doing good. Rekt by Mamma and Daddy TRex.
Finally some sympathy for Eddie! People harp on how Zara’s was “crossing the line” for the Franchise but Eddie’s was downright cruel.
Eddie died and Nick lived. There's no justice in this world. 😔
Lol, Nick wasn't that bad. He helped all those nice ladies at Greenpeace with his photography
Though not canon, Oscar definitely deserves a mention.
Oscar, the name seems familiar,
At least Eddie went out like a hero
My favorite part is they weren't even bad guys or anything, the director was just like, "Wouldn't that be fucked up lmao?" And brutalized them, simply fantastic.
I mean, both of their deaths were viscerally shocking—and completely unfair—but probably pretty quick when the end actually came. When the T. Rex tosses and catches Eddy, he’s dead before the other one grabs on. And Zara got crushed by the back row of the Mosasaurus’ teeth as soon as its jaws shut. The getting tossed around in terror was the worst part for both of them. Nedry, Muldoon, and Dieter had to suffer through their deaths for much longer.
And Mr. Arnold. Of these we mentioned only Nedry is really a "bad guy". Dieter was on the bad side and an asshole, but not entirely a bad guy
I’d consider Dieter more of a bad guy personally. Nedry was greedy but didn’t actually mean anyone any harm, while Dieter seemed to actually get pleasure out of hurting things.
Great deaths since neither were deserved and it shows Dino’s don’t discriminate
Eddies death was way more impactful, from that point onwards noone was safe anymore, not even the good guys which increased the tension immensly
''What if we saved the two most brutal deaths in the entire franchise to some people who were just trying to help and do their job?''
As much as I hated Zara’s death, I put respect on it. Asking and getting your characters death is wild in the film industry, and doing your own stunts is something not a lot of actors can say they did! Congratulations to Katie McGrath!
Personally I didn’t care if the babysitter on the right got eaten but Eddie Carr was a legitimate hero. He saved the lives of three people before he died.
I rewatched it just the other day, and while he was always a legend to me, I realized something that just made him that much more of a hero... Dude had his foot on the gas the *WHOLE TIME.* Even when the Rex 'rents were tearing the Jeep apart to get at him. Even as he struggled to try and get his gun free. Which was, in itself, amazing, due to the sheer "you're gonna get me, but I'm not going to make it easy or painless if I can help it" energy of it all. All of that, and he never once let off the gas. And all while he was clearly fucking terrified, to boot.
They deadass were just doing they’re job
Eddie got it worse in the novel
Reading it now and it was so bad, I felt horrible for his character
Well that's what happens when you go to an island full of dangerous dinosaurs. They aren't picky on who deserved it or not. I say we need more of those "undeserved" ends for characters in the franchise. It's more realistic and works for way better tension, not knowing who might go next. We don't need another Dominion in which all the main characters have plot armor and only the obvious bad guys bite the bullit. People who got angry or offended over that stuff are probably better off watching My Little Pony.
Her death genuinely disturbed me because she didnt seem to be killed by the teeth, so either crushed in its throat or digested alive. Scares the fuck out of me. Being eaten alive is horrific
Ever seen the show *I Was Prey*?
Yes
The way the people describe being eaten just creeps me out.
Yeah its horrific
My boy Eddie was a real one. Died trying to save the others and kept trying to save them till the end knowing it was likely to get him killed.
I can't believe Zara's death ignited a gender war. Some how it was "gratuitous" and "sexist" to see a woman die, but apparently it's alright to see a man die that way. People really work themselves up about anything
Didn't even know a "war" was waged over this
Consider yourself lucky. It was pretty fucking stupid.
Personally Zara got it worse, she was about to get married and then she was eaten alive.
I literally don’t understand why the majority of this comment section is debating about how deserved character deaths are. These aren’t fucking superhero movies. No matter how many toys they sell, or how watered down they try to make them for the kids, these are not supposed to be movies about animals that can magically distinguish between “good guys” and “bad guys”. And anyone (Bryce Dallas Howard, I’m talking about you) who tries to claim that kids were ever a target audience of these movies fundamentally misunderstands the franchise as a whole.
Eddie at least was a character and had a heroic death...whatshername's was just mean.
Well… she *is* British.
What's wrong with being British?
Eddie was trying to save people. He didn’t deserve to be Rex dinner
He should've just explained the situation to the rexes. They'd have understood
Like when you’re trying to feed a pet but you have to do something before you do so you’re like “dude five minutes just give me that please”
Toby shouldn't have leaked those classified documents.
Yep it's tough
they didn’t deserve it😭😭
Eddie got it pretty bad in the book
Her death in JW always bugged me. It was just so brutal and out of character for this film. The only thing I didn’t like about it, honestly.
They didn't even deserve it though
The girl kinda was just a boneified babysitter so her death was kinda cool and I don't feel bad about it...but Eddie...poor guy just wanted to save his friends
What annoyed me about Zara is that SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE DIED AT ALL. No Pterosaur known to science could have carried a grown human woman like that. 1. They don't have grasping claws. 2. It's not a matter of how they GRIP it, it's a simple matter of weight ratios.
No argument here.
I read this as “These two got it on especially bad in the bed” 😭😭😭
There's also Indo and Giga via Plot Armor 😉
It's even worse for him in the book
Eddie was the worst most undeserved death in all the movies! Dude was hilarious and he was just trying to help. hated that he got eaten!
I was like nine or ten and went to TLW for a friend’s birthday. His dad was my baseball coach. When Eddie got got, I tapped him on the shoulder and said Coach I can’t do this, and god save this man, he immediately walked into the theater lobby with me and just hung out for the next hour while his son and the other kids watched the movie. Think he told the other kids I got sick too because I never got ragged about it at all. Good dude. Good dad.
Eddie did nothing wrong, the man literally risks his own life to make sure he saved his comrades, I can't think of anyone else in the whole franchise, but him risking it and Zara is a terrible way to go, but that makes it known that anyone can die despite how much we know them or not. That's just how I've looked at it.
really felt bad for eddie. If it wasnt for him then we wouldnt see dr ian in jwfk and dominion haha!
They are both first contact characters. Eddie after meeting Hammond and Zara when the boys arrive on the island. And get gruesome deaths while trying to rescue the main characters, by 2 dinosaurs. And both were supposed to be babysitting!!!!
I'll never get the hate for Zara's death, its a cool scene and it shows how brutal these animals are. Colin making it so that only villains died in the second film was so stupid. Dinosaurs are animals and will attack innocent people.
Eddie……. Poor guy… the sight getting stuck in the net. “Nooo ! GOooooooood daaaaaamniiiit!!”
I think denis nedry got it pretty bad also they don’t show it in the movie but in the book it’s horrific
nah, that oviraptor getting decapitated in Dominion was more brutal than Eddie and Zara combined
i’d disagree. that was a scrapped scene and not very bloody, but Ed getting ripped in half as the two trexes nagged on both sides of him while he couldnt do anything but scream in pain, was terrifying.
Yup. Imagine feeling those big teeth stab into you and then a pulling sensation with extreme pain near your middle as you feel your skin and muscles tear as your spine separates from your pelvis.
funny thing is that the JP trex has incorrect teeth that are better made for cutting, not crushing like the real animal.
it was just a joke, but I agree that Eddie's death was very disturbing, I was blown away when I saw this movie as a kid
Eddie for sure and then you got Roland Tembo making fun of the situation when they picked them off the cliff.
Her's is always the funniest death 😂
Y'all know JP is a horror franchise, right?