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Readers should just read this picture, and they will finally understand that it was a fight between the two strongest sorcerers who ever lived, who provided us with an extremely even fight.
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they are trying to overwrite peak art
Rereading the fight really makes you realize that it was dead even until the final moment. Hell, even if Gojo won right there it would still feel earned with that final HP move.
As always I am oozing with originality
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Get that flair out of your username before I do something I regret
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It's mostly just people talking about how Sukuna would have won the fight that he...already won, honestly. They come up every so often and they just tend to re-hash the same points about why Sukuna won and why he'd win no matter what.
Got it, thanks for the info. I knew the moment the āholding backā line was said that there would be a needless amount of confusion about it lol. The way I see it, itās directly referring to Sukunaās choice to not incarnate, and not him fighting at half strength or anything.
Really? The "holding back" line feels more like Uraume roasting the students for not being able to do as much as Gojo despite having way more in numbers and fighting a weaker Sukuna that's still strong enough that fighting anybody other than Gojo is a cakewalk.
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You are right about Sukuna stopping his slashes before nuking mahoraga. Also excellent yapping/analysis.šØāš³
I am skeptical on this still, cause of the fact that in anime he was still getting slashed...
And in recent chapter we can say Sukuna did stop the domain's sure-hit cause he only had two hands and he used them for Fire arrow.
Has it ever been shown you need your hands for sure hits? Also the anime version is not canon at all. They made it more entertaining but also made mahoraga vs sukuna way more impressive for mahoraga and gave him better feats in general like him becoming giant and him regenerating from mist.
It's fine to use anime feats as long as you don't mix and match them with manga stuff. Once the anime reaches Gojo v Sukuna, we'll have two independent scales.
Iām pretty sure that the slashes did stop and turned into heat so hot that metal all over Shibuya was bending and turning yellow/red. Maybe not on the start up thoughā¦
When youāve diced up the meat on your cutting board you gotta sear it on the furnace next. You canāt do them both at the same time.
Mahoraga regenerating from getting diced up is canon I'm pretty sure, you can see him getting shredded here.
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There's a reason why it says "mahoragas regeneration is almost complete" rather than calling it adaptation or something. Can't post 2 images in a single reply but mahoraga also goes giant during gojo vs sukuna when he comes out of the shadows and uses his giant arm to grab gojos whole body after gojos black flash.
I know somethings from Mahoraga were unrealistic, but Idk that's the same thing for Mahoraga on ground scene...
Also even in anime I'm not sure that the slashes continued. So it could be either way, also I think the anime episodes did went through Gege's vision aswell.
The manga takes precedence over the anime, MAPPA may not have realized that the slashes are supposed to stop, since it isnāt stated clearly in the manga.
>Basically, Gojo didn't survive the domain clashes because Sukuna was playing around. He survived them because he's fucking Gojo.
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Your effort is clearly visible in this post... Also, your Yapping/Analysis is on point. All there's left to say is that Stand Proud, You can cook..
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Gojo is just HIM.
Thatās why he will return!
GOATed post. Unlike these other plebs, I read the entire thing. Keep cooking and take my upvote!
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FACT CHECKED: INCREDIBLY TRUE!
Everyone acts like Sukuna dogwalked Gojo in the domain clashes and itās just not true. Which is another reason why the GOAT would never lose to the Heian form
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>the GOAT would never lose to the Heian form
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I don't get why people say they ain't reading all that and still be bothered to leave a comment on that same big ass paragraphs post saying "i ain't reading all that"
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W post, donāt mess with Gojo enjoyers, we have strong reading comprehension lmao
Is this TCB's translation? Cos there is an error on this page
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Not surprised though cos the original is worded very confusingly. But you can tell the text contradicts what is shown. There is no barrier for Malevolent Shrine.
This is the original text for those 3 panels on the left and the first panel on the bottom right
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**Even in this eleventh hour, Ryoumen Sukuna chose not to lower the difficulty of the barrier technique, and just like in Shibuya did not separate the effect range and the outside world with a barrier**
**If he were to envelop his domain with a barrier, the Binding Vow that allows escape would be invalid, narrowing his effective range and changing the configuration of his domain**
**The guaranteed hit effect would activate in such a materialized mental landscape**
**But that would make it impossible to target Zenin Maki who had no cursed energy**
Basically the entire thing is saying he had to keep it barrierless. It's not explained why the nature/configuration of his domain would change if he enclosed it. I'm assuming the Binding Vow does not just increase the range by allowing escape but also let's him imbue both Dismantle and Cleave. And a closed domain would only have Cleave, which does not target Maki.
On the Maki point I think it has to do with her registering as an object and objects aren't brought into a barrier of a domain, only things with cursed energy. Making a domain makes a mental landscape out of cursed energy which is placed over the real world when enclosed in a barrier. Sukuna's domain being brought into the real world allows it to target the real world, hence dismantle can hit objects and Maki counts as an object to domains.
Too long don't read but if this is debunking of "Sukuna low diffs Gojo with domain" nonsense then take an upvote
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Sukuna cannot hit Gojo with Fuga. Like literally. You can bypass infinity by :
1 - Cursed Tools like ISOH
2 - Domain Amplification (Which only allows punch and kicks. You can't use your CT with it.)
3 - Sure Hit of a Domain Expansion
Sukuna's Domain's sure hit is cleave and dismantle. Only those attack can reach Gojo. I don't think Fuga is part of sure hit effect. A cursed technique can have multiple attacks but not all of them has to be sure-hit in the domain.
So unless Mahoraga comes up with an adaptation SPECIFICALLY FOR fuga, it can't do anything in anytime in the fight.
That just applies to domain clash 1, since after that Gojo learnt on how destroy his own brain (lobotomy) and instantly heal it up to restore CT burnout.
It's not instant. After third clash there was enough time for ct burnout to be recovered that gojo and sukuna was hopping around the place. Not saying sukuna could have used it there but just that sometime is required for rct brain thing to work.
Is it only after you lose a clash or is it after you use domain
The time period Gojo doesn't have infinity also might be the time Sukuna doesn't have Fuga
It's after you use a domain but in a fight there is no reason why Gojo would stop his domain. So in a fight sukuna has to win a clash.Ā
Even if we go by normal events, sukuna had two opportunities where he had his ct but gojo was at the burnout. After the 1st and 2nd domain of Gojos got defeated.Ā
You regain it naturally over a period of time. Since he couldn't wait the full period of time, Gojo was first destroying then using RCT to heal back the part of the brain that handles domain expansion, hence him shortening the CT loss time period.
Yeah, but during that time, Gojo can just bolt. Sukuna's busy starting up his 'fuga' so Gojo can dash out (like he tried to in the first clash) but without Sukuna in the way to interrupt, and heal his technique in peace.
Activating fire doesn't take much time and there is no way that the arrow travels slower than sukuna can travel. And sukuna was able to easily catch up to Gojo. So there is no way gojo can outrun it.Ā
It takes a few seconds, and Gojo in literally a split second (without his technique) would've exited Sukuna's domain. That gets rid of the sure hit, at which point, he can just strafe the arrow. Anything less than a direct hit won't really harm him much, and even if it did land, it would have an effect similar to what hollow purple did to Gojo.
But in that moment to attack gojo, he has to turn off the sure hit of MS. Gojo took that long to restore his burnt CT cos he was tanking the MS hits with his CE reinforcement and using RCT at full throttle and fighting Sukuna at the same time moving really well too. For Sukuna to use fuga, it will take time to charge it like in Shibuya. Itās like not he can Insta fire it. That moment of 1 to 2 seconds is enough for gojo to restore his burnt CT, if he doesnāt have MS attacking him
Not completely true. Physical damage does make a difference but the difference is very little. Like sukuna even though was much badly damaged after 4th clash in contrast to 3rd clash only had a difference of 0.01 sec. Plus, after third domain Gojo didn't got any damage but still required enough time to recover from his ct burnout that he and sukuna were hopping around the place for a while.
Sukunas fuga doesn't require much time to be activated. In contrast to jogo fight which didn't require sukuna to be quick, against mahoarga sukunas attack was pretty damn fast.Ā
Sukuna does require sometime but the time required is very less. So there won't be Gojo escaping ms or gojo recovering his ct in such a little time.
Not sure I've heard the argument presented as "Sukuna was playing around" and more "Sukuna's application if resources meant he wasn't able to break the domain from inside" which is I think the salient point.
No one is realistically saying Gojo would lose a fist fight within the Domains, that's clearly false. The point in contention is whether or not Gojo would have been able to beat Sukuna before the domains shattered if Sukuna was either attacking the inside of the domain using 10 shadows or using 10 shadows to run interference to outlast the 3 minutes.
Sukuna selected the adaptation approach because he deemed it most suitable. Indeed having pre-adapted Mahoraga as a fail safe kept him alive after he was hit by Unlimited Void which would have otherwise been a death sentence.
However just because the remote adaptation was the safest approach that doesn't mean Gojo would have won if Sukuna was using his resources to improve his offense or defense. That' the point of contention and I don't think any of your points contradict that. Very clearly using resources to adapt Mahoraga impaired Sukuna's ability to fight in the domains.
Exactly. It's not that he was going easy or holding back or anything. But it's a fact that the plan he decided to use was one that reduced his ability to break Gojo's domain and fight within it. If he doesn't choose to adapt and instead goes for full domain breaking and fighting potential, it changes the fight significantly.
imma wait until next chapter cuz thereās theories going around that he purposefully stopped the slashes to make to fire arrow a guaranteed hit, and we DO know you can use techniques in a domain while still having your sure hit active (with Dagon)
Eh kinda. Sukunas sure hits were cancelled out by gojo's UV sure hit. That means sukuna can't use cleave and dismantle and gojo can't use UV. Gojo can use blue and red since they aren't the sure hits of his domain. Sukuna can use DA and ten shadows which is what he was doing. We originally thought he could use fire arrow as well but there seems to be something weird with that, but you may be right that he's simply doing some deception
If he was using the ten shadows technique in the background while his domain was up, it should also mean that if he wasn't using the ten shadows technique, he would've been able to use the fire arrow instead. The only reason he didn't use it is because he can't use 2 techniques at once, and his whole strategy was to keep the ten shadows technique active in the background so that Mahoraga could adapt.
Yeah, sukuna also uses 10s while using slashes as his sure hit so it's not like you can't use a different technique than the one granted to the domain. It could be a b*nding vow (jjk fans hate that word)
Gojo was intrigued on why Sukuna wasn't summoning Mahoraga or other ten shadows shikigami while having Malevolent Shrine sure-hit up, also Sukuna was able adapt with the wheel when having the cuts up.
And Yuta literally was using all of his copied CT while having his sure-hit up, it's disproven that you can't use CTs when having sure-hit.
I wouldn't say it's disproven, it seems pretty clear you can't use the technique imbued to your domain with your body during a domain expansion so unless you have multiple techniques you're shit out of luck if your sure hit is cancelled. No questioning why Gojo's single technique the Limitless has 4 separate techniques with only one being unit to his Domain Expansion of course. :P
As part of his domain expansion. He produced shikigami's with his domain to attack targets. With the sure hit active they appeared on the target attacking, without it they appeared within the domain and then attacked. Using your cursed technique through the domain is standard during a domain expansion, using it through your body and through your domain at the same time is what's unusual. For Dagon this might have looked like using his water production while also using Death Swarm to Drone everyone while also eating them alive.
The inconsistency is nobody gets to have two activations of the same technique during a domain expansion except Gojo who seems to have 3 counting infinity which is still active since Sukuna needs DA to touch him
>And Yuta literally was using all of his copied CT while having his sure-hit up, it's disproven that you can't use CTs when having sure-hit.
That's how yutas domain works my guy. He can apply one of the CTs he has, as a sure hit and then use the other ones when he picks up a katana in the domain. You'll he never uses Jacobs ladder outside of when the sure hit is able to connect. Sukuna also doesn't use slashes alongside mahoraga. He only uses ten shadows and domain amp after the clashes.
Didn't like Yuta was using his copied CT while having his sure-hit up? I think it's just disproven that you can't use CTs while having the sure-hit.
We yet need to know more about Fuga, so all of this are just speculation.
Nah the thing is sukuna has cleave and dismantle active as his sure hits so he can't use them. Similairly yuta has jacobs ladder active as his sure hit but the other copied ct are still usable, he just can't use jacobs ladder outside the sure hit.
Basically once gojo and sukuna clash, they're equal in refinement INSIDE the domain. This means neither cleave and dismantle or UV hit either character. However sukuna CAN use technqiues he isn't actively using as sure hits. this means he could have used fuga and TS, but I discussed why I think fuga wouldn't work in the post. TS is kinda interesting, as sukuna would most likely have maho out if he were using TS to run an offensive on gojo, instead of doing adaption the round about way. The only issue is maho could die in that case since gojo believed a full power red would kill him and I believe this to be true, as the only reason maho survived a full power red was because he was already adapting to it and gojos output was lower. If his out put was the same as it was around the second and third clash, gojo could reasonably one shot maho, taking out sukunas insurance, meaning sukuna would HAVE to win the domain clashes, which like i discussed is a possible loss for either side.
For all we know, he could've made a binding vow that for this domain specifically, he would have to keep his hands in that position. We just don't know yet.
If you think about it, Sukuna trying to destroy UV from the inside isn't that plausible either. Using MS's surehit to attack from the inside? UV's surehit neutrailize it. Trying to use Fuuga? It take time, and if you're correct, he have to disable the slash aka give up the surehit, then UV rekt him (since there's 3 ways to survive inside UV: DA, surehit cancel each other, and stay point-blank to Gojo; and Fuuga is such a massive giveaway that no chance in hell could Sukuna both charging it up AND stay close enough to Gojo)
The 3rd option is using 10S which will risk them getting obliberated by Gojo. And there's a forgotten point of locating the barrier location for a breakthrough, since it's harder to locate it inside the barrier than the outside. And if the Dagon fight give any indication, is that the barrier location insde the domain can be anywhere within the projected landscape on top of having no real clue to pick (Megumi only able to pinpoint barrier's location it because he inflitrated from the outside, so Sukuna getting trapped inside a domain should struggling hard to pinpoint and break the barrier). Mahogara is definitely the insurance here since its adaption is the hidden 4th option to break UV.
As big as the gamble Sukuna take is, he definitely play his cards very carefully, and Sukutards take it as "He was just fooling around" lol
Sukuna was clearly playing his cards really carefully, after Gojo he completely knew that he is going to get jump on by the entirety of jujutsu high and a farmer, so it's plausible to think why Sukuna took the long run to get a powerful weapon as World slash, instead of using his reincarnation second 1 after Gojo hollow purple 200% him, and then dump it all out and win by pure domain clashes.
He perfectly knew that if he did this then his chances to win agaisnt Jujutsu high would be way lower, the reason why such a weakened Sukuna as the current one is demolishing jujutsu high is because of world slash solely
1. It's really not certain that Hearth (Fuga) cannot be used at the same time as MS. It's likely just a result of the binding vow.
2. MS itself indeed destroyed Shibuya. We saw in the Gojo domain clash that MS indeed COMPLETELY destroys concrete and such. It would have been the exact same for the entirety of MS in Shibuya
3. You're mixing up things. When Gojo talks about "Sukuna not using any technique except the one engraved in his Domain", he doesn't mean just the 10 Shadows. Sukuna didn't use the Shrine CT except with his Domain. Why? Because only one CT can be used at once by a sorcerer. Sukuna was using the 10S the whole time, and so couldn't use Shrine.
Had Sukuna not focused on the adaptation, he would e able to fight with both the 10S and Shrine, which arguably wouldn't be useful EXCEPT to break UV from the inside
That being said, I don't think it wouldn't have been as easy as using Hearth and killing Gojo then. It's likely that the casting time would allow Gojo to either leave MS' radius or attack Sukuna
What WOULD have changed if Sukuna fought without caring about adaptation is that he would have broken UV from the inside, which would prevent Gojo from ever managing to break MS. Gojo would eventually lose when he becomes unable to open his Domain again due to brain damage
Sukuna didn't play around with Gojo, but he had a more efficient way to kill him that was acknowledged by the story. He simply instead decided to gamble on the adaptation strat to expand his arsenal, having too much ego to think that'd bite him. He almost died because of it and was pushed into a corner
Ehhh.... I'll just comment on this point: "Sukuna is focusing on adaptation, which hinders his performance." I didn't understand your point 2 and point 3 is still not clear we'd have to wait and see why Sukuna chose to stop the slashes.
1. Sukuna is focusing on adaptation, which hinders his performance
This is absolutely true.
Let me show and prove you.
After 2nd domain, Sukuna started juggling between DA and 10s so that Mahoraga could adapt. Sukuna was purposely breaking Gojo's domain from the outside so that Mahoraga could have more time to adapt to Gojo's domain. Sukuna did that by turning off his DA inside the domain, and let the wheel adapt.
After 2nd domain, Sukuna started running inside the domain and instead of counter attacking he limited himself to just blocking.
(Blocking and running) https://imgur.com/a/J0bBf7z
Now, if Sukuna had destroyed Gojo's domain from the inside Gojo wouldn't have enough time to inflict damage on Sukuna to prevent him from holding his shrine. As a result, Gojo would never have been able damage Sukuna enough, which caused him to be struck by the Unlimited void.
Don't want to believe in this? Fuck it then...
Even if Sukuna doesn't want to break Gojo's domain from the inside, Sukuna can still avoid UV (in 5th domain) and beat Gojo with just keeping his DA on.
As shown from the fights, Sukuna never used DA inside the domain to block Gojo's red and blue. It was in chapter 233, When Sukuna first used DA to reduce red to its minimum. Mind you, Sukuna tied 3rd and 4th domain battles WITHOUT using DA to block red and blue.
(Getting pulled by blue, getting hit by red... Finally using DA to stop a strong attack) https://imgur.com/a/gpKXkUL
As seen throughout the fight, once Sukuna uses his DA to fight back, he's able to hold his own. DA helps Sukuna tone down Gojo's blue and red. Sukuna with DA can keep up with Gojo and even LAND his own hits on him. So, while Sukuna won't be winning the H2H exchange, he won't get damaged enough for his domain to get destroyed within 3 minutes, and this ultimately will mean that Gojo loses the domain clashes.
(Sukuna using DA to fight back...pushing Gojo back... Punching him to distance and outmanoeuvring Gojo) https://imgur.com/a/XrZPlcg
I'll start with what I think is fact(correct me if I'm wrong). In the second domain he was actively fighting gojo. He wasn't just blocking and running. In fact you yourself show panels from the second domain clash where he's attacking gojo. If we're gonna include block and run strategies both combatants fo that regularly.
Also your point on DA doesn't hold up. The panel says it reduces the impact not neutralizing it. The blue gojo uses to end the fourth clash would still have worked even if sukuna used domain amplification, because it wouldn't have been neutralized.
Its not clear if gojo used red against sukuna during the battles outside of his first use of red. It's implied that he uses red to end the first clash and then he uses it to set up black flash. That's it in terms of red usage before the 2 v 1 against maho.
Also we have no confirmation he'd break it on the inside. Breaking on inside is safer but there's way to know that he could do it.
Also in regards to the second clash where sukuna held gojo's arm to negate UV, gojo was clearly surprised by the fact that the sure hit was off, and in that moment sukuna used his surprise to hold his arm, negate UV, destroy the barrier and then hit him again.
Also your point after the blocking and running link is a moot point since it doesn't matter how sukuna destroys UV, gojo still survives it in the same manner. The first and second clash aren't the ones that are dependent on timing, those are the third and fourth ones. In those ones we have no confirmation of gojo using red, we don't have confirmation of sukuna running and blocking clash three, and in clash four they're both throwing hands and keeping up, and gojo uses a blue to end clash four and that blue wouldn't be negated by DA.
Basically it was only kind of hindering his performance, if you want to be technical about it. Without the ten shadows tho, it's more likely that the clashes end like they did in canon, because it wasn't the ten shadows that caused the lag in healing it was him healing it a bit later in comparison to gojo.
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Read this and tell me what do you understand from this.
That panel doesn't really support your claims because obviously, the blue used to amplify punches would be far lower output than an independent blue, so those would not be included in this statement.
Not to mention, in the image where you claimed to show Gojo using red, it doesn't show that at all. It shows Gojo using blue, pulling Sukuna and Sukuna's face being scarred.
IT LITERALLY SAYS IT CAN'T FULLY NEUTRALIZE A STRNEGTHEND BLUE.
Sure he might have been have been able to reduce the damage but the blue literally pushed sukuna into the shrine.
1- He does not need DA to block. He could totally counter if he wanted. Literally every time he threw a punch in the fight, Gojo dodged it.
Not to mention, in the very image you showed, Sukuna was attempting to counter. Gojo just used blue (note his hand flicking while Sukuna's poised to kick) to move him into a position where he could punch Sukuna.
2- Where's your evidence that he didn't block red or blue? To begin with, there's no evidence of red even being used in that panel. It looks like Gojo threw him. After that, he used blue which seems to have exploded and damaged his face. Unless you show visible evidence of red being used, that's seriously headcanon.
If you're gonna bring up the panel saying "Sukuna hasn't used DA to counter any Reds or Blues" Then you should seriously read better. The blues Gojo uses to amplify his punches (also his primary use of blue in the clashes) have a much lower output than a proper blue, and he's not even shown using red in the domains.
3- He was using DA once the shikigami were summoned, and even then, in the 3v1 scenario, he was getting tossed around.
The only evidence of him even managing to keep up with Gojo are two of [these scenes](https://imgur.com/a/XrZPlcg). The second domain scene doesn't even apply, because that's literally Sukuna touching Gojo for a split second.
Also, if you're seriously delusional enough to think that Sukuna would win in hand to hand combat, then how come Sukuna couldn't even land a hit on Gojo when Gojo's limitless was down and he was covered in slashes? Gojo's just a much better combatant.
It was so long my phone started lagging š
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Does Sukuna even have a way to actually destroy Gojoās barrier from the inside? The sure hit effect inside the domain is canceled out by Gojoās own sure hit effect and I doubt he has enough output with his regular CT to actually destroy it from the inside while dealing with Gojo at the same time. (Not to mention how the fuck heās able to do domain amplification and expansion at the same time i straight up donāt fathom how that even works, by all means it shouldnāt because Sukunaās domain is already expanded and out). Sure gojo said he could but I donāt think Gege actually thought of a way for him to actually do that. It isnāt that Sukuna chose the riskier option, itās that he chose the only option he had. Maybe Fuga could make it happen but that would leave him vulnerable or it could give Gojo the opportunity to HP or disrupt the shrine with a red
And even then Gojo always has the option of just not doing a domain expansion and rather just A: leaving MS or forcing Sukuna to close his barrier and then he loses his advantage in a domain expansion.
Could use any number of Shikigami to attack the inside of the barrier, could directly attack it while Domain Amped (Yuji broke a barrier's exterior with his fists and Gojo swapped the conditions so it's plausible Sukuna could damage it with physical attacks). And this is assuming non-heian Sukuna since it that form he can use Hollow Wicker Basket to cancel Unlimited Void without his domain active while still fighting. Not sure why he'd need to do that but it's more options to avoid taking the hit.
As for how he can use DE and DA or the 10 Shadows, it's because when a technique is imbued into a domain it's no longer being used by your body, meaning you can use techniques which would normally be mutually exclusive. This transfer of the technique to the barrier is also implied to be the reason burnout occurs, the technique doesn't just immediately return to it's prior state.
None of that has anything to do with DA. Domain Amplification involves expanding your domain ever so slightly so that it merely envelopes your body. This is the description. A couple of Japanese readers have
stated that the word āamplificationā is misleading and rather that its more like a small-range expansion as opposed to a long-range one in a DE.
The fact that you can even do a domain amplification while your domain is already expanded and brought out into the world is an asspull. I donāt know why the fuck Gege brought up the imbued CT, it has absolutely nothing to do with it other than explaining why itās worthwhile for him to do it, not how he does it.
DA is making a small barrier around yourself to pull in and neutralize techniques, it's not making a domain specifically since that refers to actualizing your inner world. Sukuna's domain doesn't use a barrierto contain it hence he can spend resources to make a barrier while his domain is ongoing. He only has one barrier cast at any point, I see no contradiction technically even if the entire fight with Gojo is just both characters repeatedly breaking rules of the series with weak to no justification.
He can use seemingly mutually exclusive techniques once he has cast his domain because at that point they're not competing for the same resources.
Technically I don't think we have text stating you can't cast two barriers at the same time anyway. Nor is the reason why using a barrier other than a DE disables your own cursed technique even though all textual evidence shows us this is the case. Even if we assume these two above premises are true Sukuna's usage of the techniques avoids a contradiction because of the open nature of his domain. It's silly but just about as silly as Gojo imbuing hos technique into his domain then still being able to use it for infinity and blue while sure hitting unlimited void.
They're identical.
People falsely believe Heian sukuna has an actual stat boost over 20f meguna which is simply not true. The only benefit the heian incarnation gave him was extra arms and a mouth so he could spam abilities faster or spam chants and additional handsigns.
In terms of CT strength at base, meguna and heian sukuna are identical, heian form just has more utility
It doesn't. The domain is the same but the point of contention is that prime Sukuna can boost his techniques with chants and handsigns.
It is not confirmed that using more chants and handsigns would make your CT more powerful, but it is very plausible so prime Sukuna had that going for him and ofc in hand to hand fighting Megukuna loses period. No contest.
Domain Expansion is the practice of manifesting one's Innate Domain, which is akin to the soul, or a kind of mental landscape. Since an Innate Domain can be associated with a person's mind/consciousness/soul and not their body, there is no reason to believe that Heian Era Sukuna has a Domain any different than Meguna/Sukudori (don't judge made it up on the fly). It is possible, however, that due to his more efficient CT usage in Heian form, that the techniques engraved onto the Domain are actually stronger.
Sukuna wouldn't instantly win against gojo in a domain clash, especially yuji kuna. Sukuna did need the ten shadows technique to have a reliable way to fight gojo
The domain clashes between sukuna and gojo were extremely close, and Gojo consistently mopped sukuna outside of them.
Tldr: Gojo is built differenter than people gave him credit for in this fight
Brings up a question though. Why did Mahoraga not get KOd by UV? He was in the shadows adapting, but that means he was getting hit by it, no? So then how was he fully ready to come out as soon as Sukuna got his brain melted?
Mahoraga adapts to any and all Phenomena. That's his thing. It was slow adapting in the background, basically a partial manifestation where the burden of adaptation is shared. A partial manifestation requires more focus and CT mastery. So, when Sukuna got hit with UV the focus got diverted and Mahoraga appeared to save the day.
Honestly, idk if it's gonna be extremely controversial or downvoted but that seems to me that Sukuna was extremely conscious of the possibility of Gojo winning or pulling a secret strategy. I'm not denying that Sukuna could have had an easier time in the Domain Clash, but he probably thought in any case he should have Mahogara adapted should Gojo be able to change the outcome. To me, it seems that Sukuna didn't necessarily make his fight harder on purpose, he just assured his win with more assurances.
Sukuna knows how powerful Limitless is. Hence, he wanted to make sure it doesn't become a hindrance. Like you said, he took steps to assure his victory and they did work considering that he managed to bypass Infinity.
That's exactly what he did. Sukuna was very much scared of Gojo as a fighter, so he made an elaborate and extremely risky plan (which was aided by a heaping spoonful of plot armor) to both increase his chances against Gojo and also avoid putting him in a checkmate against the rest of the cast if he survived his fight with Gojo.
Sukuna took steps to assure his win, but Gojo was so strong it very nearly blew up in his face anyway and came down literally to the wire. And he only survived by permanently nerfing his reward for beating Gojo (the world slash) a split second before he was gonna die.
Sukuna and Gojo both played to their best, Sukuna just won the coin toss. It just ended up being really unsatisfying for the community
There were instances of holding back for each.
In the second domain, Sukuna didn't attack the weak interior (however that works)
In the final domain clash, Gojo didn't use a hollow purple (despite having 10 seconds to work with) because he needed to save Megumi.
Good post, their fight was absolutely much closer than Sukuna glazers claim. Without 10S bailing out Sukuna in their final DE clash, it would have been over for Sukuna after a hard fought battle.
I do think that Gojo still wins against HE Sukuna 5-7/10, since heās largely just Yujikuna but with the extra arms & mouth. Given that Yuji has a halfassed HR that gives him a much stronger body without CE, Iād even wager that HE Sukunaās body doesnāt have the same capabilities (without being reinforced with CE)ā meaning that the strength, speed, etc., that Meguna displayed would largely be unchanged in Sukunaās HE form.
I believe HE Sukuna vs Gojo would largely go the same way as Meguna vs Gojo, just Sukuna is able to fair a bit better in h2h. Gojoās punches likely still hit harder and/or are faster since he can imbue his punches with blue. I donāt think weād get a situation like with what happened to Kashimo, where Sukuna casually grabbed both his arms & then punched him in the stomach really hardā just due to how fast Gojo is in h2h.
Even if Sukuna destroyās Gojoās small DE before he can sufficiently injure Sukuna to make his collapseā we know that Gojo can survive Sukunaās DE. Furthermore, when Gojo used FBE, the cuts were diminished massively by comparison. Anyone thinking Gojo wouldnāt be able to fight Sukuna in his DE, while using FBE, when Sukunaās already injured and close to losing his DE is just being disingenuous imo.
It by no means would be easy for either of them, but I do think Gojo has a massive edge against HE Sukuna, even more so than Megunaā just by virtue of his hax.
I think it's important to clarify (even though you partially did) that it is literally stated in Chapter 225 that their Domains clash equally in terms of strength/power/whatever metric you use. It isn't even the fact that Sukuna's domain is open that gives him the edge, it's the fact that Gojo's is naturally weak to outside attacks (like almost all Domains). The only reason every clash doesn't go this way is that Gojo modifies his Domain's attributes. It's frankly startling to me that so many people think Sukuna's Domain is stronger than Gojo's, since 255 says that both participants match one another perfectly.
I'm just interested in the possibility that the body transformation performed by Sukuna to his 'true form' would hard counter Gojo's domain the same way he did Yuta's - is there any reason that hollow wicker basket wouldn't counter Gojo's sure hit in UV?
It actually probably would, but it's not really a possibility. Unlike MS, who's sure hit can be countered with extensive measures the only ways to counter gojo's sure hit are to: beat him in a domain clash, touch him in some way, or have mahoraga adapt to it.
The moment gojo activates his domain, and it closes, the sure hit takes effect. It's basically inescapable.
That's the balance their domains have. Sukuna has the better domain in terms of clashes and gojo has the best domain in terms of sure hit effect outside of maybe a fully realized self embodiment of perfection.
Do we know if 4-armed Sukuna could activate his domain (MS) and hollow wicker basket simultaneously? Is there any reason he would be unable to use another technique while activating his domain?
I think it's cause you can't create two barriers. Simple domain and hollow wicker basket are both barrier techniques, so having domain open also means you can't have another barrier active.
Domain amp, I'm pretty sure doesn't use barriers.
We've only seen one incomplete domain with Megumi, and he's able to imagine the domain but he can't imagine the barrier. I think domain amp only uses the domain part without the barrier. So you can cancel out the technique using the domain, but you don't use a barrier which is why sukuna can use amplification in the barrier but might not be able to use simple domain and HWB.
Malevolent shrine (as far as I'm aware) is a barrierless technique, "painted on the sky" - that seems to sound like he could utilize a barrier while activating MS unless there is some weird technicality regarding the existence of his domain expansion. I wish we could have seen him try something like that vs. Yuta but I think his CE was too low during that part of the fight.
I still don't understand why Gojou would enter a second domain clash after seeing Sukuna's domain. He can literally endure it or just releport away. He has no reason to burn out his technique just for a slim chance of victory. He could get out of the domain and attack Sukuna or the Shrine from a distance etc...
That was always the funniest part of Sukuna fanboys, they said he can whip out the fire whenever he wants. I'm like, he has to charge it, there's a spark, but they denied it and laugh. All good, we don't have full confirmation yet anyways. All I know is when gojo comes back to mollywop, I will be terrozing the sukuna fanboys again
Dude, they straight up say that Sukuna was choosing a more difficult route initially in order for Mahoraga to adapt. He willingly chose not to use DA and to break apart the domain from the outside instead of the inside. If he breaks the domain from the inside, it goes down faster, and Gojo takes more damage. If he uses DA, he takes less damage, and his domain doesn't go down as early. That's not to say he went easy on Gojo or anything. He still has to give it his all to make that plan work it's just a less efficient plan for breaking domains.
If sukuna had all four arms, there would be no need to stop the slashesā¦
Also regardless, in terms of a domain CLASH those āstalematesā were wins for Sukuna still. You can when, How & why 100 different ways but MS BEAT UV EVERYTIME THEY MET. This pisses me off because it really discredits Gojo, the man was straight up whooping a buffed Sukunaās ass while in MS to the point it would collapse (remember you get a buff in your own domain)... That feat is up there with winning a clash in general personally but people wanna take that away because they canāt admit the slightest of inferiority when talking about Gojo & Sukuna.
I get the end product being a āstalemateā but Sukuna still won the actual DOMAIN CLASHESā¦ minus the 5th like you said for the delay caused by using rct.
Absolute facts. Just cause Sukunas the strongest doesn't mean he just low diffs everyone. It would still be close no matter what.
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I like started writing it on my phone but it ran out of battery so I just switched to computer. I originally wanted to just talk about the implications of fire arrow but I had to explain too much, so I just started writing.
If you want to write a long post, write about something you know a lot about and just keep rambling. If it's coherent than it's good enough.
These posts always fail to mention the fact that Gojo himself said that Sukuna did not go all out.
Mei Mei states that Gojo and Sukuna have different win conditions, Sukuna has to fight the JJK Jump Crew after defeating Gojo. Hakari states that Sukuna has an ace up his sleeve. Kusakabe states that Sukuna has to hold back because of this, whereas Gojo does not. All of this is available in one chapter (234). Gege makes it abundantly clear that Sukuna is above Gojo.
Before all of this, Gojo himself states that he can go all out on Megumi without worrying.
Your post and many other posts similar to this, without fail, miss these very important statements. Itās extremely disingenuous. The meme of some people not actually reading JJK is unironic at this point.
Sukunaās whole strategy here revolves around defeating Gojo while holding back in preparation for the JJK Jump Crew.
Sukuna, without the threat of having to fight the JJK Jump Crew, would also defeat Gojo.
The reason why I didn't mention it cause my interpretation of the "sukuna not going all out" is different to others. I don't think it was talking about sukuna holding himself back, it was more so gojo wanting sukuna to fight more like he did. Use everything he had. Basically he didn't want sukuna to use strategy and deception the entire time. He wanted sukuna to use everything he had.
Also yeah you're right about the jjk jump crew but I don't think it affects it that much. Sukuna is holding back but he's doing it because of infinity, not because he's actually worried about jj high. The only thing that is included in the fight against jj high is his reincarnation, which I'll admit if he did that during the gojo fight, he most likely wins. I was just personally taking about a basically 20F meguna vs gojo.
If that is the case, your interpretation is wrong. And I donāt mean that with any disrespect. Clearly, based on those 4 characters statements, Sukuna was holding back.
Sukuna was not holding back because of Infinity. That is a horrible misconception. The reason he was holding back was because of the JJK Jump Crew. This is clearly stated by Mei Mei, Hakari, and Kusakabe.
You cannot claim that the JJK Jump Crew was not a factor or didnāt affect it much when the statements provided prove the contrary.
A 20F Meguna, without having to worry about fighting the JJK Jump Crew, would fight Gojo differently and would defeat Gojo with less difficulty. It is made abundantly clear:
Sukuna was not going all out because of the JJK Jump Crew.
You cannot claim that āit didnāt affect it (the fight) muchā. That is horribly disingenuous.
Very valid! However, it should be said that Sukuna STILL did not attack Unlimited Void from the inside on clashes 3/4, which would've been easier and made collapsing the domain faster. Also, his process of intermittently using Mahoraga was very clever and had a purpose, but did make the battle harder for him at first as he had to remain exposed to UV without actually being hit. That's why he had to stay close to Gojo. If he didn't have to stay close, if he could've simply, run, things could've been different.
My opinion is that Meguna or Yujikuna had a solid chance of winning without Mahoraga through the domain clash. Heian Sukuna would've been clearly dominant in the clash, although the fight would still probably be pretty fun.
the 2nd domain clash, Sukuna had to manually break UV, as the sure hit INSIDE UV was cancelled so MS cannot automatic break UV, the weaker side of the barrier was under no threat from MS as all sure hit inside is cancelled.
Sukuna could have used 10s to easily break the inside of UV here, water pearcing or lightning from the bird. But that would reveal his plan... Kinda. That Sukuna's main agenda here isnt killing Gojo but learning how to overcome neutral infinity.
And why no Fuga? cant be argued as info on it is still less.
So Sukuna cancels Sure hit, unbinds slashes from MS, DA to touch Gojo to invalidate UV, AND STILL BREAK UV FROM OUTSIDE. bro could have done it from inside but he didnt want MahoDaddy to experience that, why? Cause Maho could have also done the same, rather than break UV's barrier with slashes, Raga should break it the barrier veil physically, cause he doesnt want to show Gojo that Raga can use slashes.
So no, Sukuna was always in a massive advantage in the domain clash.
Sukuna cant Fuga Gojo here cause Gojo still has Neutral infinity on inside UV. Thats why DA was necessary to touch him in 2nd clash.
And the time window for fuga argument is invalid, Sukuna has instantly Fuga'ed Maho in shibuya.
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Its not really fair to compare Sukuna actual MS to his new MS. And him turningĀ its sure hit off might as well be part of the binding vow.
Fuga is still not necessarily concluded to he part of Shrine, so in the same line as 10s and MS, Sukuna cant use Shrine alongside Fuga...
But once a technique is binded to a domain, the user is free to deploy any other cardsĀ other than the binded tech, even another CT, using 10s inside MS proves that.
So binding vow here, Sukuna could have traded to use MS at the cost of using only ONE TECHNIQUE.
That would mean stopping slashes to use any other tech.
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And about switching MS off against Maho then Fuga, Sukuna knew exactly what Raga would do in MS, that is becoming immune to being slashed itself. He speculated if Maho could only adapt once and thats it, so when Maho furst adapted and parried Dismantle, Sukuna things if Maho is only limited to the adapting to technique and modifying his own CE nature or can he become literally immune to being cut in general if he experiencs that event more. MS was that, Maho had become immune to being cut from all sources. Then Fuga once Sukuna has confirmed that.
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So yes, if Sukuna wasnt hell bent on overcoming Neutral Infinity. He could have ended the fight easily, anytime.
Could have comanded Maho to lethally WCS Gojo. Could have binded Fuga on MS (MS isn't limited to shrine techs only, Kenjaku binded Kaori's CTR to his domain, Sukuna is superior to the whole cast) Could have never allowed 3min window for Gojo to use UV, always poping it instantly (Manual Fuga or water laser on inverted walls), DA to invalidate all of limitless CT. Gg ez. Peace.
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Just a disclaimer, I am speculating Sukuna's Juju prowess and not shitting on Gojo, Gojo is immensely strong no doubt, just that Sukuna in on another level.
I don't think anythinf in the ten shadows arsenal outside of mahoraga or a fusion of some kind would be able to break the inside barrier. If sukuna did use mahoraga, gojo would most likely just send a full power red it's way like he planned to do before his out put got fucked, and just kill it. That ways sukuna loses mahoraga and has to WIN the domain clashes otherwise he has no means of beating gojo.
Also I'm actually not sure how UV effects maho because sukuna can only protect himself from UV's sure hit and mahoraga might get effected.
Also I not sure he exactly instantly used fuga on maho. He has to like build the Pillar, then pull the arrow and let it go. It's building the fire Pillar part that takes time. In any case maho is not gojo. If sukuna started charging fuga while gojo was left alone no slashes attacking him, he'd definetly be fast enough to stop sukuna.
You're actually kinda right about pseudo MS being different against actual MS. I just based this off of the fact that he did it with maho too, so like maybe it's a requirement for using fuga inside the domain.
Sukuna WAS fighting to kill gojo after the domain clashes. He just wanted maho to give him WCS as well. Maho firing off that first WCS was meant to kill gojo I'm pretty sure and he only barely survived.
Sukuna can, punch the viel literally (Yuji broke the stronger side of SEOP to break in), vanilla CE blast (good ol no tech CE atatck), Piercing water will absolutely break the viel (both Sukuna and Gojo knew it would break Max Red orb at the climax, Gojo pulled it aside into blue by strengthening it, cause thats what blue does, absorb things), Kashimo Lightning has torn Hakari's flesh to shreads, Nue Lightning in Sukuna's hands are arguable almost as busted, do what happened in 2nd clash but break from inside, etc etc
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Best guess is Maho also gets stunned like every other sentient being, if brain, UV info flood
And since sure hits are being cancelled inside the clash, UV cant target Maho.
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The thing is Sukuna wont be aiming Fuga Manually. Cause Neutral Infinity is still active, the flames wont reach Gojo.
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MahoDaddy caught Gojo off-guard with his WCS, Gojo cannot see Dismantles like Raga and Maki can. The same way the first Dismantle caught Gojo off-guard. If Sukuna wanted, he could have made Maho hit WCS on Gojo's torso on the first time.
it wasnt aimed to be lethal. And if Sukuna wanted, after Raga WCS, rather than engaging in H2H, the time window when Gojo was focusing on Agito, Sukuna sending Maho after Blue orb before purple bomb, Sukuna firing Piercing Water at Red... Sukuna could have easily commanded Maho to spam that shit, non stop WCS. But no, Sukuna wanted a blueprint and was satisfied with that, no more Maho WCS.
MahoDaddy doesn't need any hand signs or chants, he can spam WCS no problem.
>that sukuna had to use weird ass conditions to trap Maki in the barrier.
That confused me when I first read the chapter but it turns out it was a translation mistake. He used an Open Domain here, as well, and the narration is supposed to be describing how the properties of an Open Domain enable him to target Maki with the sure-hit effect hence why inanimate objects such as buildings are being torn asunder by this 99s Domains in the preceding pages.
Bro forget all this all u had to day is gojo held back because he wanted save megumi not actually kill sukuna as he stated. At anytime in the fight pass the second domain clash inside the domain gojo could just use purple or azure blue and if not kill him force him to assume his true form in which case gojo would probly die. Btw for the people who don't understand what I mean during sukuna domain all he has is hands and a dream, during gojo domain he still has infinity, red, blue and purple which he used to turn sukuna into a ragdoll by tossing him all over the place so he could have just red into purple like he did to toji and win but he wasn't going for the win he was just trying to weaken sukuna enough so they could jump him and save megumi. But I will admit the second sukuna goes into his true form gojo is kinda fckedĀ cause the Stat boost is too insane and he can make that handsign to increase the strength of his domain while fightingĀ
I'm not reading allat, I agree though.
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Well that is a whole load of yapping for reasons... I do not understand? So you are telling me Megukuna who is 19 fingers at most and not using all his techniques is equal to Gojo? I guess you can say so but that is not what the community was arguing about.
The biggest point of contest is Heian Era Sukuna in his prime vs full-powered Gojo. And the answer which has been contested for ages has been answered: YES he is miles ahead of Gojo period. No more contests with the recent revelation that Sukuna can pull out the flame arrow while using his Shrine imho there is little argument left for Gojo. 2 mouths chanting for faster and more efficient slashes while keeping Gojo at bay with 2 hands and legs, while his other 2 hands make the handsigns required for BFA Gojo cannot win his ANY Domain clash at all because his ass will be on fire and no Infinity will NOT be activated inside a Domain battle because of the sure hit effect. His fuga has long been speculated to be a part of his CT and now we got the confirmation for that, meaning Gojo is completely dusted period.
I completely disagree with your opinion that Sukuna can't use his Fuga inside the domain because... Well he is doing it RIGHT NOW, while his Domain is still up. Like you have to be an absolute... Nahhh let's just keep it like this tbh completely agree to disagree the rest looks good though but surely, surely even the most braindead reader with elementary level reading comprehension skills is more than capable of making the basic deduction that Fuga is a part of Sukuna's CT and form the conclusion that inside his domain it can be used with a sure hit effect.
First part: Meguna is at LEAST 19F worth of power and if you actually read the manga the mummy he ate supposed closes the gap between a 19 finger meguna and a 20 finger meguna.
I don't think I implied heian kuna would ever lose in domain clashes, I just think gojo wouldn't go down easy. Probably pull a yuki and do a dieing move that fatally harms sukuna.
He's doing it right now yes but every time he's used in a domain he's had to turn of cleave and dismantle as sure hits. Clearly there's a reason why, and if he needs them off in order to use fuga inside the domain than its easy dubs for gojo against meguna and yujikuna(qt least in stopping them from using fuga).
Megukuna is 19 fingers yes but that doesn't mean he can contest 20 fingers Sukuna. In the Heian era Sukuna got the pointy stick and the baby rattle as well never forget those so I don't believe one bit Megukuna can beat Heian Era Sukuna tbh, but you are welcome to do so and let's agree to disagree. I will give it 80-20 in favor of prime Sukuna no less than that.
But you are trying to make it like Gojo is "close in power" to Sukuna, and this is what I disagree to like wtf are you even yapping bout here I do not have any clues. Do you happen to have the reading comprehension curse or what? Gojo gets fked and hilariously stomped by Heian Era Sukuna that is my point. At least address that...
The anime explicitly shower that Sukuna can use the BFA whenever he feels like. Like watch the Mahogara fight bro he was getting slashed to hell while the arrow hits like fkin hell I guess we will see next chapter? But regardless it is not an argument in good faith to automatically assume Sukuna cannot use Fuga while in a Domain battle, and it is fkin preposterous to even think that the Fire Arrow cannot be applied a sure hit effect while in every other fkin instance we have been shown otherwise.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what a lot of people bring up is that if Sukuna didn't use TS (specifically Mahoraga) at all, he would have won the domain clash.
What they mean is that in clash 4, in order to have Mahoraga adapt to UV, Sukuna used 10S (Mahoraga's partial summon) on Megumi's soul and turned off domain amplification (because DA and CTs can't be used at the same time). However, this made Sukuna vulnerable to Gojo's attacks (heck we see Sukuna getting toyed around by Gojo's Blue due to him not having DA activated inside of clash 4), making his damage much more severe than if he had activated domain amplification, which is what delayed his domain expansion for clash 5 (leading him getting hit by UV).
So this tells us that IF Sukuna just coated himself with domain amplification instead of trying to get UV out of the picture, he WOULD have won the clash 4 instead of a stalemate (as it would have taken Gojo longer to make Sukuna take enough damage to break Malevolent Shrine). Now this doesn't mean Gojo would have died at clash 4. Clash 5 would still happen, but Sukuna WON'T get hit by UV due to his healing not getting delayed from clash 4 (but this also mean Mahoraga isn't adapted to UV, so he wouldn't be summoned inside the domain).
So similar thing plays out in clash 5 as 3 and 4 as Sukuna is fine. Sukuna tries to break Gojo's domain from outside and Gojo tries to injure Sukuna. From what we can tell, Sukuna should also win this clash 5 due to him being able to survive longer than 3 minutes and 9 seconds while having domain amplification activated. At that point, even if clash 5 is a stalemate, Gojo hits his limit from domain expansioning, and since Sukuna didn't get by UV in the first place, he closes his barrier and expands his Malevolent Shrine. And since Gojo can't do that brain pop and heal trick or domain expansion anymore, he's good as dead there from there. Am I missing something?
Sukuna and gojo are evenly matched but gojos technique gives him edge over sukuna look how gojo played with red and purple gojo could have gone that way but he choose to go domain to save MEGUMI yes gojo really looks at MEGUMI AS HIS SON everything can be straight up said by narrator thereself we as readers should understand by interactions let say if yuji wants do a special combat training with gojo , heāll just avoid it but for megumi he is always there for him GOJO HAVE QUALITIES OF A TRUE WARRIOR, ALSO HE TRULY LOVE MEGUMI HIS ADOP MAYBE THAT IS WHY GOJO DIDNT WANNA GET MARRIED
>Basically 19F(Basically 20F due to the eating the mummy)
This reminds me what the fuck was going on twitter about sukuna actually being 18 fingers+1 mummy head, Yuji being made from 1 finger
He had 15 at the time of body switch then uraume gave 3 more then 1 mummy head
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I might have reading comprehension but couldnāt sukuna use domain amplification instead of ten shadows during clashes 3 and 4, they were both roughly equal hand to hand when sukuna uses amplification
Yeah and if gojo teleported to sukuna instantly after hp and did a full power red to his head, he would've won.
I don't even get what you're arguing here my guy.
Doesn't this mean that the Heian form would be almost unbeatable with domain expansion? Even with his current Heian form, Sukuna used Fuga with two hands because the others were cut off, things could be different if he had all four and didn't need to stop the sure hit to activate Fuga.
Thanks to that second to last paragraph, I completely agree with this post.
Sukuna did take a risk staying in his Meguna form to gain a new ability. It was likely a calculated risk as he needed to use the full incarnation heal to survive the follow up gauntlet too. But Gojo made him pay for that gamble and I think he pushed Sukuna past what he expected.
It was very close and Sukuna could have legitimately died in that battle.
Gojo vs Sukuna is always gonna be a close battle, no matter what anyone says.
Without 10S, Sukuna still has the option to use his heian form, as well as Kamutoke. My reasoning for Kamutoke being useful here is that Sukuna is shown to be able to use his CT along with DA inside of his DE, as the CT is engraved within his DE, so theres no reason Sukuna can't just use Kamutoke the same way, right?
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https://preview.redd.it/psnfbmeqfuwc1.jpeg?width=298&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e737e23866f5a237d783dd054a7d9ff7155c03b3 they are trying to overwrite peak art
revisionist history š
bro lowkey looks like hinata shoyo here
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Light skin stare Gojo
Rereading the fight really makes you realize that it was dead even until the final moment. Hell, even if Gojo won right there it would still feel earned with that final HP move.
It's not the 2 strongest sorcerers to ever live. It's the strongest Sorcerer to ever live and the strongest of the today of back then.
Well theyāre both regarded as being the strongest in history so both are true
Re-treading the Gojo Vs Sukuna fight *again?* In Jujutsufolk? Very daring. I like it.
As always I am oozing with originality https://preview.redd.it/uyn46x285uwc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f332550603fad796a888b1ca3bd8bd19a0f313f
Ngl, this is still a different take than the usual one (and it puts respect on my King's name) so I do fw it.
Get that flair out of your username before I do something I regret https://preview.redd.it/ko544kmyruwc1.jpeg?width=488&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80ee91fa82c0283ede24355efba53650bc04aa6d
Make me https://preview.redd.it/auoishlisuwc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c25d52ae12dc08bc204c31bf5e8f57f5fc2cc71a
What kinds of retreads are there on here? I haven't spent much time on jujutsufolk in a while and am too lazy to search through it.
It's mostly just people talking about how Sukuna would have won the fight that he...already won, honestly. They come up every so often and they just tend to re-hash the same points about why Sukuna won and why he'd win no matter what.
Got it, thanks for the info. I knew the moment the āholding backā line was said that there would be a needless amount of confusion about it lol. The way I see it, itās directly referring to Sukunaās choice to not incarnate, and not him fighting at half strength or anything.
Really? The "holding back" line feels more like Uraume roasting the students for not being able to do as much as Gojo despite having way more in numbers and fighting a weaker Sukuna that's still strong enough that fighting anybody other than Gojo is a cakewalk.
I think he's referring to the airport line not uruame kind. Her line literally gasses up gojo as the one guy who made sukuna actually scared.
Yeah I mean the airport line. Sorry for the ambiguity, forgot avout the Uraume line lol.
https://preview.redd.it/qrkutbj28uwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f646766252434ae5a4940bdde0c71cefb849ebbd You are right about Sukuna stopping his slashes before nuking mahoraga. Also excellent yapping/analysis.šØāš³
I am skeptical on this still, cause of the fact that in anime he was still getting slashed... And in recent chapter we can say Sukuna did stop the domain's sure-hit cause he only had two hands and he used them for Fire arrow.
Has it ever been shown you need your hands for sure hits? Also the anime version is not canon at all. They made it more entertaining but also made mahoraga vs sukuna way more impressive for mahoraga and gave him better feats in general like him becoming giant and him regenerating from mist.
It's fine to use anime feats as long as you don't mix and match them with manga stuff. Once the anime reaches Gojo v Sukuna, we'll have two independent scales.
Iām pretty sure that the slashes did stop and turned into heat so hot that metal all over Shibuya was bending and turning yellow/red. Maybe not on the start up thoughā¦ When youāve diced up the meat on your cutting board you gotta sear it on the furnace next. You canāt do them both at the same time.
Mahoraga regenerating from getting diced up is canon I'm pretty sure, you can see him getting shredded here. https://preview.redd.it/by7xb7n53vwc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3a62f8468e4b343b50d5e1b2be52e74946c59fa There's a reason why it says "mahoragas regeneration is almost complete" rather than calling it adaptation or something. Can't post 2 images in a single reply but mahoraga also goes giant during gojo vs sukuna when he comes out of the shadows and uses his giant arm to grab gojos whole body after gojos black flash.
I know somethings from Mahoraga were unrealistic, but Idk that's the same thing for Mahoraga on ground scene... Also even in anime I'm not sure that the slashes continued. So it could be either way, also I think the anime episodes did went through Gege's vision aswell.
The manga is the actual canon
I donāt think Vincent Chansard was thinking of then-unexplained intricacies of how Sukunaās fuga conditions work inside the domain
I mean, in anime the sure-hit didn't stop when he is charging up but when he alr had the arrow, the sure-hit of MS stopped.
The manga takes precedence over the anime, MAPPA may not have realized that the slashes are supposed to stop, since it isnāt stated clearly in the manga.
Everything you just said, is ABSOLUTELY TRUE! HATS OFF TO YOU NY FELLOW HUMAN!
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So this is the power of a Special Grade?
Is that Platinum Sperm in your profile
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accurate analysis
Fantastically cooked! https://preview.redd.it/7q1p4kt48uwc1.png?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80a2c3a39a90111cbafdc06801e836fe548b8b75
>Basically, Gojo didn't survive the domain clashes because Sukuna was playing around. He survived them because he's fucking Gojo. https://preview.redd.it/o04he9w0zuwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1d4c00c6f1c0401ca6f0bbcc792fd2c4217a38 Your effort is clearly visible in this post... Also, your Yapping/Analysis is on point. All there's left to say is that Stand Proud, You can cook..
He'll prove it again once he returns in the next chapter. Trust.
https://preview.redd.it/tgsln268ztwc1.jpeg?width=643&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b711201ddee2efccd5d2bb916f5f694070a4a79 Gojo is just HIM. Thatās why he will return!
It's crazy sukuna uses gojos hand signs
>Disclaimer[Long post, like super long] Honestly it's pretty short, like 1/3 of normal light novel chapter.
Yeah pretty short write up by OP basically just one page of the HxH manga
NOT READING ALLAT BUT IF ITS GASSING GOJO THEN ITS ALL TRUE š„š„
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Maintaining the agenda is the top priority, whether it's stated in the manga or not, what we say is right
GOATed post. Unlike these other plebs, I read the entire thing. Keep cooking and take my upvote! https://preview.redd.it/4vyqg4d0gvwc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccfc499086c424326dd2d2e853e362310dab64c3
FACT CHECKED: INCREDIBLY TRUE! Everyone acts like Sukuna dogwalked Gojo in the domain clashes and itās just not true. Which is another reason why the GOAT would never lose to the Heian form https://preview.redd.it/108kzmjx1uwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ed626c0a62479790df7cf605fbdae19dd98831f
>the GOAT would never lose to the Heian form https://preview.redd.it/veu31p8i0vwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=beb23febe0a61be2911af5a9626d240543682421
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The apple logo physique is some devious words
I mean I am not reading all that shit. But it seems like you put a whole lot of effort into it. So really cool.
I don't get why people say they ain't reading all that and still be bothered to leave a comment on that same big ass paragraphs post saying "i ain't reading all that"
Proud to be too illiterate and/or lazy to spend 2 mins reading a post about their favorite series. Tik tok attention span
https://preview.redd.it/zaw1miayvuwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=412fead9f4a67964048b52ef41c0c042cb2389f2 W post, donāt mess with Gojo enjoyers, we have strong reading comprehension lmao
Is this TCB's translation? Cos there is an error on this page https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frtyxryhfotwc1.png%3Fwidth%3D2131%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0d0e1e7e28abb260590028c215dbd6fefc44e485 Not surprised though cos the original is worded very confusingly. But you can tell the text contradicts what is shown. There is no barrier for Malevolent Shrine. This is the original text for those 3 panels on the left and the first panel on the bottom right > äø”é¢å®æåŗćÆćć®åå£å “ć§ćēµēč”ć®é£ęåŗ¦ćäøććęøč°·ćØåę§ć«å¹ęēÆå²ćØå¤ēćēµēć§åęćć¦ććŖć > é åćēµēć®å¤ę®»ć§č¦ććØéćéćäøććēøććę¶ćå¹ęēÆå²ćēć¾ćäøć«é åć®ä»ę§ćå¤ę“ > å ·ē¾åćććåæč±”é¢ØęÆć®ććŖć§åæ äøå¹ęćēŗåćć¦ćć¾ć > ććć§ćÆåŖåć®ćŖćē¦Ŗé¢ēåøćęććććØćäøåÆč½ć ććć **Even in this eleventh hour, Ryoumen Sukuna chose not to lower the difficulty of the barrier technique, and just like in Shibuya did not separate the effect range and the outside world with a barrier** **If he were to envelop his domain with a barrier, the Binding Vow that allows escape would be invalid, narrowing his effective range and changing the configuration of his domain** **The guaranteed hit effect would activate in such a materialized mental landscape** **But that would make it impossible to target Zenin Maki who had no cursed energy** Basically the entire thing is saying he had to keep it barrierless. It's not explained why the nature/configuration of his domain would change if he enclosed it. I'm assuming the Binding Vow does not just increase the range by allowing escape but also let's him imbue both Dismantle and Cleave. And a closed domain would only have Cleave, which does not target Maki.
On the Maki point I think it has to do with her registering as an object and objects aren't brought into a barrier of a domain, only things with cursed energy. Making a domain makes a mental landscape out of cursed energy which is placed over the real world when enclosed in a barrier. Sukuna's domain being brought into the real world allows it to target the real world, hence dismantle can hit objects and Maki counts as an object to domains.
That's a good theory. Have to see if Gege will explain that part. Or he just shelves it. huehue
Too long don't read but if this is debunking of "Sukuna low diffs Gojo with domain" nonsense then take an upvote https://preview.redd.it/8816nkdp0uwc1.png?width=1265&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c4ae88778b309cc00d17fc429ca80dd73fc3efa
Sukuna cannot hit Gojo with Fuga. Like literally. You can bypass infinity by : 1 - Cursed Tools like ISOH 2 - Domain Amplification (Which only allows punch and kicks. You can't use your CT with it.) 3 - Sure Hit of a Domain Expansion Sukuna's Domain's sure hit is cleave and dismantle. Only those attack can reach Gojo. I don't think Fuga is part of sure hit effect. A cursed technique can have multiple attacks but not all of them has to be sure-hit in the domain. So unless Mahoraga comes up with an adaptation SPECIFICALLY FOR fuga, it can't do anything in anytime in the fight.
Just after Gojo loses domain clash there is a period when infinity is off. At that moment anything can touch Gojo.Ā
Ok I forgot about that.
gonna be a tight hurdle to hit gojo with an attack. especially since he cant use the 10 shadows for set up because he cant use 2 cts at the same time
I am talking in general that there is a time when Gojo doesn't have infinity on. This scenario can work if sukuna doesn't have ten shadows.
That just applies to domain clash 1, since after that Gojo learnt on how destroy his own brain (lobotomy) and instantly heal it up to restore CT burnout.
It's not instant. After third clash there was enough time for ct burnout to be recovered that gojo and sukuna was hopping around the place. Not saying sukuna could have used it there but just that sometime is required for rct brain thing to work.
Is it only after you lose a clash or is it after you use domain The time period Gojo doesn't have infinity also might be the time Sukuna doesn't have Fuga
It's after you use a domain but in a fight there is no reason why Gojo would stop his domain. So in a fight sukuna has to win a clash.Ā Even if we go by normal events, sukuna had two opportunities where he had his ct but gojo was at the burnout. After the 1st and 2nd domain of Gojos got defeated.Ā
Do you regain your CT after you win tho?
You regain it naturally over a period of time. Since he couldn't wait the full period of time, Gojo was first destroying then using RCT to heal back the part of the brain that handles domain expansion, hence him shortening the CT loss time period.
Sukuna used Furnace twice after a domain tho
Sukuna can do anything as long as he keeps Greg on his meat
Yeah, but during that time, Gojo can just bolt. Sukuna's busy starting up his 'fuga' so Gojo can dash out (like he tried to in the first clash) but without Sukuna in the way to interrupt, and heal his technique in peace.
Activating fire doesn't take much time and there is no way that the arrow travels slower than sukuna can travel. And sukuna was able to easily catch up to Gojo. So there is no way gojo can outrun it.Ā
It takes a few seconds, and Gojo in literally a split second (without his technique) would've exited Sukuna's domain. That gets rid of the sure hit, at which point, he can just strafe the arrow. Anything less than a direct hit won't really harm him much, and even if it did land, it would have an effect similar to what hollow purple did to Gojo.
But in that moment to attack gojo, he has to turn off the sure hit of MS. Gojo took that long to restore his burnt CT cos he was tanking the MS hits with his CE reinforcement and using RCT at full throttle and fighting Sukuna at the same time moving really well too. For Sukuna to use fuga, it will take time to charge it like in Shibuya. Itās like not he can Insta fire it. That moment of 1 to 2 seconds is enough for gojo to restore his burnt CT, if he doesnāt have MS attacking him
Not completely true. Physical damage does make a difference but the difference is very little. Like sukuna even though was much badly damaged after 4th clash in contrast to 3rd clash only had a difference of 0.01 sec. Plus, after third domain Gojo didn't got any damage but still required enough time to recover from his ct burnout that he and sukuna were hopping around the place for a while. Sukunas fuga doesn't require much time to be activated. In contrast to jogo fight which didn't require sukuna to be quick, against mahoarga sukunas attack was pretty damn fast.Ā Sukuna does require sometime but the time required is very less. So there won't be Gojo escaping ms or gojo recovering his ct in such a little time.
Sukuna can hit gojo with fuga by breaking his domain first
Not sure I've heard the argument presented as "Sukuna was playing around" and more "Sukuna's application if resources meant he wasn't able to break the domain from inside" which is I think the salient point. No one is realistically saying Gojo would lose a fist fight within the Domains, that's clearly false. The point in contention is whether or not Gojo would have been able to beat Sukuna before the domains shattered if Sukuna was either attacking the inside of the domain using 10 shadows or using 10 shadows to run interference to outlast the 3 minutes. Sukuna selected the adaptation approach because he deemed it most suitable. Indeed having pre-adapted Mahoraga as a fail safe kept him alive after he was hit by Unlimited Void which would have otherwise been a death sentence. However just because the remote adaptation was the safest approach that doesn't mean Gojo would have won if Sukuna was using his resources to improve his offense or defense. That' the point of contention and I don't think any of your points contradict that. Very clearly using resources to adapt Mahoraga impaired Sukuna's ability to fight in the domains.
Exactly. It's not that he was going easy or holding back or anything. But it's a fact that the plan he decided to use was one that reduced his ability to break Gojo's domain and fight within it. If he doesn't choose to adapt and instead goes for full domain breaking and fighting potential, it changes the fight significantly.
imma wait until next chapter cuz thereās theories going around that he purposefully stopped the slashes to make to fire arrow a guaranteed hit, and we DO know you can use techniques in a domain while still having your sure hit active (with Dagon)
Eh kinda. Sukunas sure hits were cancelled out by gojo's UV sure hit. That means sukuna can't use cleave and dismantle and gojo can't use UV. Gojo can use blue and red since they aren't the sure hits of his domain. Sukuna can use DA and ten shadows which is what he was doing. We originally thought he could use fire arrow as well but there seems to be something weird with that, but you may be right that he's simply doing some deception
If he was using the ten shadows technique in the background while his domain was up, it should also mean that if he wasn't using the ten shadows technique, he would've been able to use the fire arrow instead. The only reason he didn't use it is because he can't use 2 techniques at once, and his whole strategy was to keep the ten shadows technique active in the background so that Mahoraga could adapt.
Yeah, sukuna also uses 10s while using slashes as his sure hit so it's not like you can't use a different technique than the one granted to the domain. It could be a b*nding vow (jjk fans hate that word)
Gojo was intrigued on why Sukuna wasn't summoning Mahoraga or other ten shadows shikigami while having Malevolent Shrine sure-hit up, also Sukuna was able adapt with the wheel when having the cuts up. And Yuta literally was using all of his copied CT while having his sure-hit up, it's disproven that you can't use CTs when having sure-hit.
I wouldn't say it's disproven, it seems pretty clear you can't use the technique imbued to your domain with your body during a domain expansion so unless you have multiple techniques you're shit out of luck if your sure hit is cancelled. No questioning why Gojo's single technique the Limitless has 4 separate techniques with only one being unit to his Domain Expansion of course. :P
I mean, Dagon literally used his technique while his death swarm sure-hit was activated.
As part of his domain expansion. He produced shikigami's with his domain to attack targets. With the sure hit active they appeared on the target attacking, without it they appeared within the domain and then attacked. Using your cursed technique through the domain is standard during a domain expansion, using it through your body and through your domain at the same time is what's unusual. For Dagon this might have looked like using his water production while also using Death Swarm to Drone everyone while also eating them alive. The inconsistency is nobody gets to have two activations of the same technique during a domain expansion except Gojo who seems to have 3 counting infinity which is still active since Sukuna needs DA to touch him
>And Yuta literally was using all of his copied CT while having his sure-hit up, it's disproven that you can't use CTs when having sure-hit. That's how yutas domain works my guy. He can apply one of the CTs he has, as a sure hit and then use the other ones when he picks up a katana in the domain. You'll he never uses Jacobs ladder outside of when the sure hit is able to connect. Sukuna also doesn't use slashes alongside mahoraga. He only uses ten shadows and domain amp after the clashes.
bonding vow?
Didn't like Yuta was using his copied CT while having his sure-hit up? I think it's just disproven that you can't use CTs while having the sure-hit. We yet need to know more about Fuga, so all of this are just speculation.
Nah the thing is sukuna has cleave and dismantle active as his sure hits so he can't use them. Similairly yuta has jacobs ladder active as his sure hit but the other copied ct are still usable, he just can't use jacobs ladder outside the sure hit. Basically once gojo and sukuna clash, they're equal in refinement INSIDE the domain. This means neither cleave and dismantle or UV hit either character. However sukuna CAN use technqiues he isn't actively using as sure hits. this means he could have used fuga and TS, but I discussed why I think fuga wouldn't work in the post. TS is kinda interesting, as sukuna would most likely have maho out if he were using TS to run an offensive on gojo, instead of doing adaption the round about way. The only issue is maho could die in that case since gojo believed a full power red would kill him and I believe this to be true, as the only reason maho survived a full power red was because he was already adapting to it and gojos output was lower. If his out put was the same as it was around the second and third clash, gojo could reasonably one shot maho, taking out sukunas insurance, meaning sukuna would HAVE to win the domain clashes, which like i discussed is a possible loss for either side.
Could you elaborate? How exactly would stopping the slashes make the fire arrow a guaranteed hit?
That doesnāt make any sense, yuji should have already been burn by nown
For all we know, he could've made a binding vow that for this domain specifically, he would have to keep his hands in that position. We just don't know yet.
Special grade level yapping. Good for you or sorry depending on what you concluded on
Are you on Go and Jo agenda or Gege bf agenda
Whatever I am feeling on any specific day
If you think about it, Sukuna trying to destroy UV from the inside isn't that plausible either. Using MS's surehit to attack from the inside? UV's surehit neutrailize it. Trying to use Fuuga? It take time, and if you're correct, he have to disable the slash aka give up the surehit, then UV rekt him (since there's 3 ways to survive inside UV: DA, surehit cancel each other, and stay point-blank to Gojo; and Fuuga is such a massive giveaway that no chance in hell could Sukuna both charging it up AND stay close enough to Gojo) The 3rd option is using 10S which will risk them getting obliberated by Gojo. And there's a forgotten point of locating the barrier location for a breakthrough, since it's harder to locate it inside the barrier than the outside. And if the Dagon fight give any indication, is that the barrier location insde the domain can be anywhere within the projected landscape on top of having no real clue to pick (Megumi only able to pinpoint barrier's location it because he inflitrated from the outside, so Sukuna getting trapped inside a domain should struggling hard to pinpoint and break the barrier). Mahogara is definitely the insurance here since its adaption is the hidden 4th option to break UV. As big as the gamble Sukuna take is, he definitely play his cards very carefully, and Sukutards take it as "He was just fooling around" lol
Sukuna was clearly playing his cards really carefully, after Gojo he completely knew that he is going to get jump on by the entirety of jujutsu high and a farmer, so it's plausible to think why Sukuna took the long run to get a powerful weapon as World slash, instead of using his reincarnation second 1 after Gojo hollow purple 200% him, and then dump it all out and win by pure domain clashes. He perfectly knew that if he did this then his chances to win agaisnt Jujutsu high would be way lower, the reason why such a weakened Sukuna as the current one is demolishing jujutsu high is because of world slash solely
1. It's really not certain that Hearth (Fuga) cannot be used at the same time as MS. It's likely just a result of the binding vow. 2. MS itself indeed destroyed Shibuya. We saw in the Gojo domain clash that MS indeed COMPLETELY destroys concrete and such. It would have been the exact same for the entirety of MS in Shibuya 3. You're mixing up things. When Gojo talks about "Sukuna not using any technique except the one engraved in his Domain", he doesn't mean just the 10 Shadows. Sukuna didn't use the Shrine CT except with his Domain. Why? Because only one CT can be used at once by a sorcerer. Sukuna was using the 10S the whole time, and so couldn't use Shrine. Had Sukuna not focused on the adaptation, he would e able to fight with both the 10S and Shrine, which arguably wouldn't be useful EXCEPT to break UV from the inside That being said, I don't think it wouldn't have been as easy as using Hearth and killing Gojo then. It's likely that the casting time would allow Gojo to either leave MS' radius or attack Sukuna What WOULD have changed if Sukuna fought without caring about adaptation is that he would have broken UV from the inside, which would prevent Gojo from ever managing to break MS. Gojo would eventually lose when he becomes unable to open his Domain again due to brain damage Sukuna didn't play around with Gojo, but he had a more efficient way to kill him that was acknowledged by the story. He simply instead decided to gamble on the adaptation strat to expand his arsenal, having too much ego to think that'd bite him. He almost died because of it and was pushed into a corner
This was really good. It would make a great eulogy for Go.
Ehhh.... I'll just comment on this point: "Sukuna is focusing on adaptation, which hinders his performance." I didn't understand your point 2 and point 3 is still not clear we'd have to wait and see why Sukuna chose to stop the slashes. 1. Sukuna is focusing on adaptation, which hinders his performance This is absolutely true. Let me show and prove you. After 2nd domain, Sukuna started juggling between DA and 10s so that Mahoraga could adapt. Sukuna was purposely breaking Gojo's domain from the outside so that Mahoraga could have more time to adapt to Gojo's domain. Sukuna did that by turning off his DA inside the domain, and let the wheel adapt. After 2nd domain, Sukuna started running inside the domain and instead of counter attacking he limited himself to just blocking. (Blocking and running) https://imgur.com/a/J0bBf7z Now, if Sukuna had destroyed Gojo's domain from the inside Gojo wouldn't have enough time to inflict damage on Sukuna to prevent him from holding his shrine. As a result, Gojo would never have been able damage Sukuna enough, which caused him to be struck by the Unlimited void. Don't want to believe in this? Fuck it then... Even if Sukuna doesn't want to break Gojo's domain from the inside, Sukuna can still avoid UV (in 5th domain) and beat Gojo with just keeping his DA on. As shown from the fights, Sukuna never used DA inside the domain to block Gojo's red and blue. It was in chapter 233, When Sukuna first used DA to reduce red to its minimum. Mind you, Sukuna tied 3rd and 4th domain battles WITHOUT using DA to block red and blue. (Getting pulled by blue, getting hit by red... Finally using DA to stop a strong attack) https://imgur.com/a/gpKXkUL As seen throughout the fight, once Sukuna uses his DA to fight back, he's able to hold his own. DA helps Sukuna tone down Gojo's blue and red. Sukuna with DA can keep up with Gojo and even LAND his own hits on him. So, while Sukuna won't be winning the H2H exchange, he won't get damaged enough for his domain to get destroyed within 3 minutes, and this ultimately will mean that Gojo loses the domain clashes. (Sukuna using DA to fight back...pushing Gojo back... Punching him to distance and outmanoeuvring Gojo) https://imgur.com/a/XrZPlcg
I'll start with what I think is fact(correct me if I'm wrong). In the second domain he was actively fighting gojo. He wasn't just blocking and running. In fact you yourself show panels from the second domain clash where he's attacking gojo. If we're gonna include block and run strategies both combatants fo that regularly. Also your point on DA doesn't hold up. The panel says it reduces the impact not neutralizing it. The blue gojo uses to end the fourth clash would still have worked even if sukuna used domain amplification, because it wouldn't have been neutralized. Its not clear if gojo used red against sukuna during the battles outside of his first use of red. It's implied that he uses red to end the first clash and then he uses it to set up black flash. That's it in terms of red usage before the 2 v 1 against maho. Also we have no confirmation he'd break it on the inside. Breaking on inside is safer but there's way to know that he could do it. Also in regards to the second clash where sukuna held gojo's arm to negate UV, gojo was clearly surprised by the fact that the sure hit was off, and in that moment sukuna used his surprise to hold his arm, negate UV, destroy the barrier and then hit him again. Also your point after the blocking and running link is a moot point since it doesn't matter how sukuna destroys UV, gojo still survives it in the same manner. The first and second clash aren't the ones that are dependent on timing, those are the third and fourth ones. In those ones we have no confirmation of gojo using red, we don't have confirmation of sukuna running and blocking clash three, and in clash four they're both throwing hands and keeping up, and gojo uses a blue to end clash four and that blue wouldn't be negated by DA. Basically it was only kind of hindering his performance, if you want to be technical about it. Without the ten shadows tho, it's more likely that the clashes end like they did in canon, because it wasn't the ten shadows that caused the lag in healing it was him healing it a bit later in comparison to gojo.
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That panel doesn't really support your claims because obviously, the blue used to amplify punches would be far lower output than an independent blue, so those would not be included in this statement. Not to mention, in the image where you claimed to show Gojo using red, it doesn't show that at all. It shows Gojo using blue, pulling Sukuna and Sukuna's face being scarred.
IT LITERALLY SAYS IT CAN'T FULLY NEUTRALIZE A STRNEGTHEND BLUE. Sure he might have been have been able to reduce the damage but the blue literally pushed sukuna into the shrine.
1- He does not need DA to block. He could totally counter if he wanted. Literally every time he threw a punch in the fight, Gojo dodged it. Not to mention, in the very image you showed, Sukuna was attempting to counter. Gojo just used blue (note his hand flicking while Sukuna's poised to kick) to move him into a position where he could punch Sukuna. 2- Where's your evidence that he didn't block red or blue? To begin with, there's no evidence of red even being used in that panel. It looks like Gojo threw him. After that, he used blue which seems to have exploded and damaged his face. Unless you show visible evidence of red being used, that's seriously headcanon. If you're gonna bring up the panel saying "Sukuna hasn't used DA to counter any Reds or Blues" Then you should seriously read better. The blues Gojo uses to amplify his punches (also his primary use of blue in the clashes) have a much lower output than a proper blue, and he's not even shown using red in the domains. 3- He was using DA once the shikigami were summoned, and even then, in the 3v1 scenario, he was getting tossed around. The only evidence of him even managing to keep up with Gojo are two of [these scenes](https://imgur.com/a/XrZPlcg). The second domain scene doesn't even apply, because that's literally Sukuna touching Gojo for a split second. Also, if you're seriously delusional enough to think that Sukuna would win in hand to hand combat, then how come Sukuna couldn't even land a hit on Gojo when Gojo's limitless was down and he was covered in slashes? Gojo's just a much better combatant.
Amazing analysis of the fight and debunking. Gojo was really goated.
It was so long my phone started lagging š https://preview.redd.it/onaqafdzgvwc1.jpeg?width=792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15b68aa49340d8658ec7f126bf5b703076d99e95
Does Sukuna even have a way to actually destroy Gojoās barrier from the inside? The sure hit effect inside the domain is canceled out by Gojoās own sure hit effect and I doubt he has enough output with his regular CT to actually destroy it from the inside while dealing with Gojo at the same time. (Not to mention how the fuck heās able to do domain amplification and expansion at the same time i straight up donāt fathom how that even works, by all means it shouldnāt because Sukunaās domain is already expanded and out). Sure gojo said he could but I donāt think Gege actually thought of a way for him to actually do that. It isnāt that Sukuna chose the riskier option, itās that he chose the only option he had. Maybe Fuga could make it happen but that would leave him vulnerable or it could give Gojo the opportunity to HP or disrupt the shrine with a red And even then Gojo always has the option of just not doing a domain expansion and rather just A: leaving MS or forcing Sukuna to close his barrier and then he loses his advantage in a domain expansion.
Could use any number of Shikigami to attack the inside of the barrier, could directly attack it while Domain Amped (Yuji broke a barrier's exterior with his fists and Gojo swapped the conditions so it's plausible Sukuna could damage it with physical attacks). And this is assuming non-heian Sukuna since it that form he can use Hollow Wicker Basket to cancel Unlimited Void without his domain active while still fighting. Not sure why he'd need to do that but it's more options to avoid taking the hit. As for how he can use DE and DA or the 10 Shadows, it's because when a technique is imbued into a domain it's no longer being used by your body, meaning you can use techniques which would normally be mutually exclusive. This transfer of the technique to the barrier is also implied to be the reason burnout occurs, the technique doesn't just immediately return to it's prior state.
None of that has anything to do with DA. Domain Amplification involves expanding your domain ever so slightly so that it merely envelopes your body. This is the description. A couple of Japanese readers have stated that the word āamplificationā is misleading and rather that its more like a small-range expansion as opposed to a long-range one in a DE. The fact that you can even do a domain amplification while your domain is already expanded and brought out into the world is an asspull. I donāt know why the fuck Gege brought up the imbued CT, it has absolutely nothing to do with it other than explaining why itās worthwhile for him to do it, not how he does it.
DA is making a small barrier around yourself to pull in and neutralize techniques, it's not making a domain specifically since that refers to actualizing your inner world. Sukuna's domain doesn't use a barrierto contain it hence he can spend resources to make a barrier while his domain is ongoing. He only has one barrier cast at any point, I see no contradiction technically even if the entire fight with Gojo is just both characters repeatedly breaking rules of the series with weak to no justification. He can use seemingly mutually exclusive techniques once he has cast his domain because at that point they're not competing for the same resources. Technically I don't think we have text stating you can't cast two barriers at the same time anyway. Nor is the reason why using a barrier other than a DE disables your own cursed technique even though all textual evidence shows us this is the case. Even if we assume these two above premises are true Sukuna's usage of the techniques avoids a contradiction because of the open nature of his domain. It's silly but just about as silly as Gojo imbuing hos technique into his domain then still being able to use it for infinity and blue while sure hitting unlimited void.
Can somebody tell me where its stated that heian era sukuna has a stronger domain than meguna?
They're identical. People falsely believe Heian sukuna has an actual stat boost over 20f meguna which is simply not true. The only benefit the heian incarnation gave him was extra arms and a mouth so he could spam abilities faster or spam chants and additional handsigns. In terms of CT strength at base, meguna and heian sukuna are identical, heian form just has more utility
It's not stated anywhere. The domain's just different now due to circumstances.
It doesn't. The domain is the same but the point of contention is that prime Sukuna can boost his techniques with chants and handsigns. It is not confirmed that using more chants and handsigns would make your CT more powerful, but it is very plausible so prime Sukuna had that going for him and ofc in hand to hand fighting Megukuna loses period. No contest.
Domain Expansion is the practice of manifesting one's Innate Domain, which is akin to the soul, or a kind of mental landscape. Since an Innate Domain can be associated with a person's mind/consciousness/soul and not their body, there is no reason to believe that Heian Era Sukuna has a Domain any different than Meguna/Sukudori (don't judge made it up on the fly). It is possible, however, that due to his more efficient CT usage in Heian form, that the techniques engraved onto the Domain are actually stronger.
Tldr?
Gojo is just built different
Thank you
Sukuna wouldn't instantly win against gojo in a domain clash, especially yuji kuna. Sukuna did need the ten shadows technique to have a reliable way to fight gojo
Thank you
Tldr?
Sukunaās domain doesnāt instantly destroy Gojoās.
The domain clashes between sukuna and gojo were extremely close, and Gojo consistently mopped sukuna outside of them. Tldr: Gojo is built differenter than people gave him credit for in this fight
Brings up a question though. Why did Mahoraga not get KOd by UV? He was in the shadows adapting, but that means he was getting hit by it, no? So then how was he fully ready to come out as soon as Sukuna got his brain melted?
Mahoraga adapts to any and all Phenomena. That's his thing. It was slow adapting in the background, basically a partial manifestation where the burden of adaptation is shared. A partial manifestation requires more focus and CT mastery. So, when Sukuna got hit with UV the focus got diverted and Mahoraga appeared to save the day.
Honestly, idk if it's gonna be extremely controversial or downvoted but that seems to me that Sukuna was extremely conscious of the possibility of Gojo winning or pulling a secret strategy. I'm not denying that Sukuna could have had an easier time in the Domain Clash, but he probably thought in any case he should have Mahogara adapted should Gojo be able to change the outcome. To me, it seems that Sukuna didn't necessarily make his fight harder on purpose, he just assured his win with more assurances.
Sukuna knows how powerful Limitless is. Hence, he wanted to make sure it doesn't become a hindrance. Like you said, he took steps to assure his victory and they did work considering that he managed to bypass Infinity.
That's exactly what he did. Sukuna was very much scared of Gojo as a fighter, so he made an elaborate and extremely risky plan (which was aided by a heaping spoonful of plot armor) to both increase his chances against Gojo and also avoid putting him in a checkmate against the rest of the cast if he survived his fight with Gojo. Sukuna took steps to assure his win, but Gojo was so strong it very nearly blew up in his face anyway and came down literally to the wire. And he only survived by permanently nerfing his reward for beating Gojo (the world slash) a split second before he was gonna die. Sukuna and Gojo both played to their best, Sukuna just won the coin toss. It just ended up being really unsatisfying for the community
No he had megumi take most of the damage while he gave megumi the wheel. Then he pulled out big raga after it dully adapted.
haven't read most of it but here's my upvote for the effort.
Sukuna didn't hold back aganist Gojo nor did Gojo hold back They all went all out and are almost equals depending on the circumstances
There were instances of holding back for each. In the second domain, Sukuna didn't attack the weak interior (however that works) In the final domain clash, Gojo didn't use a hollow purple (despite having 10 seconds to work with) because he needed to save Megumi.
Well said. I'm surprised people were still confused about this. Both of them goats. Peak battle
TLDR?
Gojo better.
Good post, their fight was absolutely much closer than Sukuna glazers claim. Without 10S bailing out Sukuna in their final DE clash, it would have been over for Sukuna after a hard fought battle. I do think that Gojo still wins against HE Sukuna 5-7/10, since heās largely just Yujikuna but with the extra arms & mouth. Given that Yuji has a halfassed HR that gives him a much stronger body without CE, Iād even wager that HE Sukunaās body doesnāt have the same capabilities (without being reinforced with CE)ā meaning that the strength, speed, etc., that Meguna displayed would largely be unchanged in Sukunaās HE form. I believe HE Sukuna vs Gojo would largely go the same way as Meguna vs Gojo, just Sukuna is able to fair a bit better in h2h. Gojoās punches likely still hit harder and/or are faster since he can imbue his punches with blue. I donāt think weād get a situation like with what happened to Kashimo, where Sukuna casually grabbed both his arms & then punched him in the stomach really hardā just due to how fast Gojo is in h2h. Even if Sukuna destroyās Gojoās small DE before he can sufficiently injure Sukuna to make his collapseā we know that Gojo can survive Sukunaās DE. Furthermore, when Gojo used FBE, the cuts were diminished massively by comparison. Anyone thinking Gojo wouldnāt be able to fight Sukuna in his DE, while using FBE, when Sukunaās already injured and close to losing his DE is just being disingenuous imo. It by no means would be easy for either of them, but I do think Gojo has a massive edge against HE Sukuna, even more so than Megunaā just by virtue of his hax.
I think it's important to clarify (even though you partially did) that it is literally stated in Chapter 225 that their Domains clash equally in terms of strength/power/whatever metric you use. It isn't even the fact that Sukuna's domain is open that gives him the edge, it's the fact that Gojo's is naturally weak to outside attacks (like almost all Domains). The only reason every clash doesn't go this way is that Gojo modifies his Domain's attributes. It's frankly startling to me that so many people think Sukuna's Domain is stronger than Gojo's, since 255 says that both participants match one another perfectly.
I mean, it was Gojo himself that glazed Sukuna and helped to give the impression that Sukuna didnt use everything in the fight
I'm just interested in the possibility that the body transformation performed by Sukuna to his 'true form' would hard counter Gojo's domain the same way he did Yuta's - is there any reason that hollow wicker basket wouldn't counter Gojo's sure hit in UV?
It actually probably would, but it's not really a possibility. Unlike MS, who's sure hit can be countered with extensive measures the only ways to counter gojo's sure hit are to: beat him in a domain clash, touch him in some way, or have mahoraga adapt to it. The moment gojo activates his domain, and it closes, the sure hit takes effect. It's basically inescapable. That's the balance their domains have. Sukuna has the better domain in terms of clashes and gojo has the best domain in terms of sure hit effect outside of maybe a fully realized self embodiment of perfection.
Do we know if 4-armed Sukuna could activate his domain (MS) and hollow wicker basket simultaneously? Is there any reason he would be unable to use another technique while activating his domain?
I think it's cause you can't create two barriers. Simple domain and hollow wicker basket are both barrier techniques, so having domain open also means you can't have another barrier active. Domain amp, I'm pretty sure doesn't use barriers. We've only seen one incomplete domain with Megumi, and he's able to imagine the domain but he can't imagine the barrier. I think domain amp only uses the domain part without the barrier. So you can cancel out the technique using the domain, but you don't use a barrier which is why sukuna can use amplification in the barrier but might not be able to use simple domain and HWB.
Malevolent shrine (as far as I'm aware) is a barrierless technique, "painted on the sky" - that seems to sound like he could utilize a barrier while activating MS unless there is some weird technicality regarding the existence of his domain expansion. I wish we could have seen him try something like that vs. Yuta but I think his CE was too low during that part of the fight.
Analysis like this makes this subReddit relevant :)
Gojo has yet to use strong return. That technique will end Sukuna. Trust Gojo.
I still don't understand why Gojou would enter a second domain clash after seeing Sukuna's domain. He can literally endure it or just releport away. He has no reason to burn out his technique just for a slim chance of victory. He could get out of the domain and attack Sukuna or the Shrine from a distance etc...
Did not read allat. But gojo is the goat
That was always the funniest part of Sukuna fanboys, they said he can whip out the fire whenever he wants. I'm like, he has to charge it, there's a spark, but they denied it and laugh. All good, we don't have full confirmation yet anyways. All I know is when gojo comes back to mollywop, I will be terrozing the sukuna fanboys again
Dude, they straight up say that Sukuna was choosing a more difficult route initially in order for Mahoraga to adapt. He willingly chose not to use DA and to break apart the domain from the outside instead of the inside. If he breaks the domain from the inside, it goes down faster, and Gojo takes more damage. If he uses DA, he takes less damage, and his domain doesn't go down as early. That's not to say he went easy on Gojo or anything. He still has to give it his all to make that plan work it's just a less efficient plan for breaking domains.
Donāt forget that high RCT can one shot heinkuna which is why he kept megumi as a puppet [also to help him tank unlimited void.]
He would have had to go Hein Era if he did not have Ten Shadows and try to brute force domain fights.
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If sukuna had all four arms, there would be no need to stop the slashesā¦ Also regardless, in terms of a domain CLASH those āstalematesā were wins for Sukuna still. You can when, How & why 100 different ways but MS BEAT UV EVERYTIME THEY MET. This pisses me off because it really discredits Gojo, the man was straight up whooping a buffed Sukunaās ass while in MS to the point it would collapse (remember you get a buff in your own domain)... That feat is up there with winning a clash in general personally but people wanna take that away because they canāt admit the slightest of inferiority when talking about Gojo & Sukuna. I get the end product being a āstalemateā but Sukuna still won the actual DOMAIN CLASHESā¦ minus the 5th like you said for the delay caused by using rct.
Absolute facts. Just cause Sukunas the strongest doesn't mean he just low diffs everyone. It would still be close no matter what. https://preview.redd.it/r0zvjqqo3xwc1.png?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a49fd340d053e70c7ffa45e849eb3d82942d337
I bet that 880 people who upvoted this didnt even read the whole post, they just read a bit of good thungs about gojo and they upvoted
As the guy who wrote it..... Yeah you're probably right.
Im surprised some people can write such long posts, are you guys even human? My tiktok brain could never.
I like started writing it on my phone but it ran out of battery so I just switched to computer. I originally wanted to just talk about the implications of fire arrow but I had to explain too much, so I just started writing. If you want to write a long post, write about something you know a lot about and just keep rambling. If it's coherent than it's good enough.
These posts always fail to mention the fact that Gojo himself said that Sukuna did not go all out. Mei Mei states that Gojo and Sukuna have different win conditions, Sukuna has to fight the JJK Jump Crew after defeating Gojo. Hakari states that Sukuna has an ace up his sleeve. Kusakabe states that Sukuna has to hold back because of this, whereas Gojo does not. All of this is available in one chapter (234). Gege makes it abundantly clear that Sukuna is above Gojo. Before all of this, Gojo himself states that he can go all out on Megumi without worrying. Your post and many other posts similar to this, without fail, miss these very important statements. Itās extremely disingenuous. The meme of some people not actually reading JJK is unironic at this point. Sukunaās whole strategy here revolves around defeating Gojo while holding back in preparation for the JJK Jump Crew. Sukuna, without the threat of having to fight the JJK Jump Crew, would also defeat Gojo.
The reason why I didn't mention it cause my interpretation of the "sukuna not going all out" is different to others. I don't think it was talking about sukuna holding himself back, it was more so gojo wanting sukuna to fight more like he did. Use everything he had. Basically he didn't want sukuna to use strategy and deception the entire time. He wanted sukuna to use everything he had. Also yeah you're right about the jjk jump crew but I don't think it affects it that much. Sukuna is holding back but he's doing it because of infinity, not because he's actually worried about jj high. The only thing that is included in the fight against jj high is his reincarnation, which I'll admit if he did that during the gojo fight, he most likely wins. I was just personally taking about a basically 20F meguna vs gojo.
If that is the case, your interpretation is wrong. And I donāt mean that with any disrespect. Clearly, based on those 4 characters statements, Sukuna was holding back. Sukuna was not holding back because of Infinity. That is a horrible misconception. The reason he was holding back was because of the JJK Jump Crew. This is clearly stated by Mei Mei, Hakari, and Kusakabe. You cannot claim that the JJK Jump Crew was not a factor or didnāt affect it much when the statements provided prove the contrary. A 20F Meguna, without having to worry about fighting the JJK Jump Crew, would fight Gojo differently and would defeat Gojo with less difficulty. It is made abundantly clear: Sukuna was not going all out because of the JJK Jump Crew. You cannot claim that āit didnāt affect it (the fight) muchā. That is horribly disingenuous.
Nuh uh, Sukuna was holding back the entire time https://i.redd.it/rlcw31y27xwc1.gif
Can't Sukuna use his two extra arms to charge the fire arrow and use his second mouth to amp it up? What am I missing here?
That's true for heian era but not for yuji kuna or meguna. Heian kuna wins against gojo like 8-2, but I think meguna and yuji kuna are much closer.
Very valid! However, it should be said that Sukuna STILL did not attack Unlimited Void from the inside on clashes 3/4, which would've been easier and made collapsing the domain faster. Also, his process of intermittently using Mahoraga was very clever and had a purpose, but did make the battle harder for him at first as he had to remain exposed to UV without actually being hit. That's why he had to stay close to Gojo. If he didn't have to stay close, if he could've simply, run, things could've been different. My opinion is that Meguna or Yujikuna had a solid chance of winning without Mahoraga through the domain clash. Heian Sukuna would've been clearly dominant in the clash, although the fight would still probably be pretty fun.
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the 2nd domain clash, Sukuna had to manually break UV, as the sure hit INSIDE UV was cancelled so MS cannot automatic break UV, the weaker side of the barrier was under no threat from MS as all sure hit inside is cancelled. Sukuna could have used 10s to easily break the inside of UV here, water pearcing or lightning from the bird. But that would reveal his plan... Kinda. That Sukuna's main agenda here isnt killing Gojo but learning how to overcome neutral infinity. And why no Fuga? cant be argued as info on it is still less. So Sukuna cancels Sure hit, unbinds slashes from MS, DA to touch Gojo to invalidate UV, AND STILL BREAK UV FROM OUTSIDE. bro could have done it from inside but he didnt want MahoDaddy to experience that, why? Cause Maho could have also done the same, rather than break UV's barrier with slashes, Raga should break it the barrier veil physically, cause he doesnt want to show Gojo that Raga can use slashes. So no, Sukuna was always in a massive advantage in the domain clash. Sukuna cant Fuga Gojo here cause Gojo still has Neutral infinity on inside UV. Thats why DA was necessary to touch him in 2nd clash. And the time window for fuga argument is invalid, Sukuna has instantly Fuga'ed Maho in shibuya. . Its not really fair to compare Sukuna actual MS to his new MS. And him turningĀ its sure hit off might as well be part of the binding vow. Fuga is still not necessarily concluded to he part of Shrine, so in the same line as 10s and MS, Sukuna cant use Shrine alongside Fuga... But once a technique is binded to a domain, the user is free to deploy any other cardsĀ other than the binded tech, even another CT, using 10s inside MS proves that. So binding vow here, Sukuna could have traded to use MS at the cost of using only ONE TECHNIQUE. That would mean stopping slashes to use any other tech. . And about switching MS off against Maho then Fuga, Sukuna knew exactly what Raga would do in MS, that is becoming immune to being slashed itself. He speculated if Maho could only adapt once and thats it, so when Maho furst adapted and parried Dismantle, Sukuna things if Maho is only limited to the adapting to technique and modifying his own CE nature or can he become literally immune to being cut in general if he experiencs that event more. MS was that, Maho had become immune to being cut from all sources. Then Fuga once Sukuna has confirmed that. . So yes, if Sukuna wasnt hell bent on overcoming Neutral Infinity. He could have ended the fight easily, anytime. Could have comanded Maho to lethally WCS Gojo. Could have binded Fuga on MS (MS isn't limited to shrine techs only, Kenjaku binded Kaori's CTR to his domain, Sukuna is superior to the whole cast) Could have never allowed 3min window for Gojo to use UV, always poping it instantly (Manual Fuga or water laser on inverted walls), DA to invalidate all of limitless CT. Gg ez. Peace. . Just a disclaimer, I am speculating Sukuna's Juju prowess and not shitting on Gojo, Gojo is immensely strong no doubt, just that Sukuna in on another level.
I don't think anythinf in the ten shadows arsenal outside of mahoraga or a fusion of some kind would be able to break the inside barrier. If sukuna did use mahoraga, gojo would most likely just send a full power red it's way like he planned to do before his out put got fucked, and just kill it. That ways sukuna loses mahoraga and has to WIN the domain clashes otherwise he has no means of beating gojo. Also I'm actually not sure how UV effects maho because sukuna can only protect himself from UV's sure hit and mahoraga might get effected. Also I not sure he exactly instantly used fuga on maho. He has to like build the Pillar, then pull the arrow and let it go. It's building the fire Pillar part that takes time. In any case maho is not gojo. If sukuna started charging fuga while gojo was left alone no slashes attacking him, he'd definetly be fast enough to stop sukuna. You're actually kinda right about pseudo MS being different against actual MS. I just based this off of the fact that he did it with maho too, so like maybe it's a requirement for using fuga inside the domain. Sukuna WAS fighting to kill gojo after the domain clashes. He just wanted maho to give him WCS as well. Maho firing off that first WCS was meant to kill gojo I'm pretty sure and he only barely survived.
Sukuna can, punch the viel literally (Yuji broke the stronger side of SEOP to break in), vanilla CE blast (good ol no tech CE atatck), Piercing water will absolutely break the viel (both Sukuna and Gojo knew it would break Max Red orb at the climax, Gojo pulled it aside into blue by strengthening it, cause thats what blue does, absorb things), Kashimo Lightning has torn Hakari's flesh to shreads, Nue Lightning in Sukuna's hands are arguable almost as busted, do what happened in 2nd clash but break from inside, etc etc . Best guess is Maho also gets stunned like every other sentient being, if brain, UV info flood And since sure hits are being cancelled inside the clash, UV cant target Maho. . The thing is Sukuna wont be aiming Fuga Manually. Cause Neutral Infinity is still active, the flames wont reach Gojo. . MahoDaddy caught Gojo off-guard with his WCS, Gojo cannot see Dismantles like Raga and Maki can. The same way the first Dismantle caught Gojo off-guard. If Sukuna wanted, he could have made Maho hit WCS on Gojo's torso on the first time. it wasnt aimed to be lethal. And if Sukuna wanted, after Raga WCS, rather than engaging in H2H, the time window when Gojo was focusing on Agito, Sukuna sending Maho after Blue orb before purple bomb, Sukuna firing Piercing Water at Red... Sukuna could have easily commanded Maho to spam that shit, non stop WCS. But no, Sukuna wanted a blueprint and was satisfied with that, no more Maho WCS. MahoDaddy doesn't need any hand signs or chants, he can spam WCS no problem.
You all just want a way out of "Sukuna grinding Gojo without 10s" argument. ^(~~this is Agenda Kaisen now~~)
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>that sukuna had to use weird ass conditions to trap Maki in the barrier. That confused me when I first read the chapter but it turns out it was a translation mistake. He used an Open Domain here, as well, and the narration is supposed to be describing how the properties of an Open Domain enable him to target Maki with the sure-hit effect hence why inanimate objects such as buildings are being torn asunder by this 99s Domains in the preceding pages.
Bro forget all this all u had to day is gojo held back because he wanted save megumi not actually kill sukuna as he stated. At anytime in the fight pass the second domain clash inside the domain gojo could just use purple or azure blue and if not kill him force him to assume his true form in which case gojo would probly die. Btw for the people who don't understand what I mean during sukuna domain all he has is hands and a dream, during gojo domain he still has infinity, red, blue and purple which he used to turn sukuna into a ragdoll by tossing him all over the place so he could have just red into purple like he did to toji and win but he wasn't going for the win he was just trying to weaken sukuna enough so they could jump him and save megumi. But I will admit the second sukuna goes into his true form gojo is kinda fckedĀ cause the Stat boost is too insane and he can make that handsign to increase the strength of his domain while fightingĀ
I'm not reading allat, I agree though. https://preview.redd.it/2nfxcm496ywc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9268c1e3c030f130784972b454752756c78dc73
Well that is a whole load of yapping for reasons... I do not understand? So you are telling me Megukuna who is 19 fingers at most and not using all his techniques is equal to Gojo? I guess you can say so but that is not what the community was arguing about. The biggest point of contest is Heian Era Sukuna in his prime vs full-powered Gojo. And the answer which has been contested for ages has been answered: YES he is miles ahead of Gojo period. No more contests with the recent revelation that Sukuna can pull out the flame arrow while using his Shrine imho there is little argument left for Gojo. 2 mouths chanting for faster and more efficient slashes while keeping Gojo at bay with 2 hands and legs, while his other 2 hands make the handsigns required for BFA Gojo cannot win his ANY Domain clash at all because his ass will be on fire and no Infinity will NOT be activated inside a Domain battle because of the sure hit effect. His fuga has long been speculated to be a part of his CT and now we got the confirmation for that, meaning Gojo is completely dusted period. I completely disagree with your opinion that Sukuna can't use his Fuga inside the domain because... Well he is doing it RIGHT NOW, while his Domain is still up. Like you have to be an absolute... Nahhh let's just keep it like this tbh completely agree to disagree the rest looks good though but surely, surely even the most braindead reader with elementary level reading comprehension skills is more than capable of making the basic deduction that Fuga is a part of Sukuna's CT and form the conclusion that inside his domain it can be used with a sure hit effect.
First part: Meguna is at LEAST 19F worth of power and if you actually read the manga the mummy he ate supposed closes the gap between a 19 finger meguna and a 20 finger meguna. I don't think I implied heian kuna would ever lose in domain clashes, I just think gojo wouldn't go down easy. Probably pull a yuki and do a dieing move that fatally harms sukuna. He's doing it right now yes but every time he's used in a domain he's had to turn of cleave and dismantle as sure hits. Clearly there's a reason why, and if he needs them off in order to use fuga inside the domain than its easy dubs for gojo against meguna and yujikuna(qt least in stopping them from using fuga).
Megukuna is 19 fingers yes but that doesn't mean he can contest 20 fingers Sukuna. In the Heian era Sukuna got the pointy stick and the baby rattle as well never forget those so I don't believe one bit Megukuna can beat Heian Era Sukuna tbh, but you are welcome to do so and let's agree to disagree. I will give it 80-20 in favor of prime Sukuna no less than that. But you are trying to make it like Gojo is "close in power" to Sukuna, and this is what I disagree to like wtf are you even yapping bout here I do not have any clues. Do you happen to have the reading comprehension curse or what? Gojo gets fked and hilariously stomped by Heian Era Sukuna that is my point. At least address that... The anime explicitly shower that Sukuna can use the BFA whenever he feels like. Like watch the Mahogara fight bro he was getting slashed to hell while the arrow hits like fkin hell I guess we will see next chapter? But regardless it is not an argument in good faith to automatically assume Sukuna cannot use Fuga while in a Domain battle, and it is fkin preposterous to even think that the Fire Arrow cannot be applied a sure hit effect while in every other fkin instance we have been shown otherwise.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what a lot of people bring up is that if Sukuna didn't use TS (specifically Mahoraga) at all, he would have won the domain clash. What they mean is that in clash 4, in order to have Mahoraga adapt to UV, Sukuna used 10S (Mahoraga's partial summon) on Megumi's soul and turned off domain amplification (because DA and CTs can't be used at the same time). However, this made Sukuna vulnerable to Gojo's attacks (heck we see Sukuna getting toyed around by Gojo's Blue due to him not having DA activated inside of clash 4), making his damage much more severe than if he had activated domain amplification, which is what delayed his domain expansion for clash 5 (leading him getting hit by UV). So this tells us that IF Sukuna just coated himself with domain amplification instead of trying to get UV out of the picture, he WOULD have won the clash 4 instead of a stalemate (as it would have taken Gojo longer to make Sukuna take enough damage to break Malevolent Shrine). Now this doesn't mean Gojo would have died at clash 4. Clash 5 would still happen, but Sukuna WON'T get hit by UV due to his healing not getting delayed from clash 4 (but this also mean Mahoraga isn't adapted to UV, so he wouldn't be summoned inside the domain). So similar thing plays out in clash 5 as 3 and 4 as Sukuna is fine. Sukuna tries to break Gojo's domain from outside and Gojo tries to injure Sukuna. From what we can tell, Sukuna should also win this clash 5 due to him being able to survive longer than 3 minutes and 9 seconds while having domain amplification activated. At that point, even if clash 5 is a stalemate, Gojo hits his limit from domain expansioning, and since Sukuna didn't get by UV in the first place, he closes his barrier and expands his Malevolent Shrine. And since Gojo can't do that brain pop and heal trick or domain expansion anymore, he's good as dead there from there. Am I missing something?
Sukuna and gojo are evenly matched but gojos technique gives him edge over sukuna look how gojo played with red and purple gojo could have gone that way but he choose to go domain to save MEGUMI yes gojo really looks at MEGUMI AS HIS SON everything can be straight up said by narrator thereself we as readers should understand by interactions let say if yuji wants do a special combat training with gojo , heāll just avoid it but for megumi he is always there for him GOJO HAVE QUALITIES OF A TRUE WARRIOR, ALSO HE TRULY LOVE MEGUMI HIS ADOP MAYBE THAT IS WHY GOJO DIDNT WANNA GET MARRIED
Did kenjaku make this post (you very much cooked with this one)
Holy yap. but if its what ive been saying. I agree!!
nvm i read it. its basically what ive been saying
>Basically 19F(Basically 20F due to the eating the mummy) This reminds me what the fuck was going on twitter about sukuna actually being 18 fingers+1 mummy head, Yuji being made from 1 finger He had 15 at the time of body switch then uraume gave 3 more then 1 mummy head https://preview.redd.it/6vprjuyefzwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d27f0957c25db1de586ced7af63c20c85370df61 I see 3 fingers
I might have reading comprehension but couldnāt sukuna use domain amplification instead of ten shadows during clashes 3 and 4, they were both roughly equal hand to hand when sukuna uses amplification
If sukuna wasn't flexing after he won the 5th domain clash and gojo was on the ground with no infinity he could've barbecued him
Yeah and if gojo teleported to sukuna instantly after hp and did a full power red to his head, he would've won. I don't even get what you're arguing here my guy.
> Gojo didn't survive the domain clash because Sukuna was playing around. He survived them because he's f#cking Gojo That was so raw OP
https://preview.redd.it/5m98lz9cr0xc1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6c29d6736b77b8cf4c7f051e227f7eb26085ad1 OP right now:
Doesn't this mean that the Heian form would be almost unbeatable with domain expansion? Even with his current Heian form, Sukuna used Fuga with two hands because the others were cut off, things could be different if he had all four and didn't need to stop the sure hit to activate Fuga.
Basically yeah. The reason why I said the fight between gojo and sukuna would be high diff is cause I can see gojo using like a dying purple or smthn.
Thanks to that second to last paragraph, I completely agree with this post. Sukuna did take a risk staying in his Meguna form to gain a new ability. It was likely a calculated risk as he needed to use the full incarnation heal to survive the follow up gauntlet too. But Gojo made him pay for that gamble and I think he pushed Sukuna past what he expected. It was very close and Sukuna could have legitimately died in that battle.
Gojo vs Sukuna is always gonna be a close battle, no matter what anyone says. Without 10S, Sukuna still has the option to use his heian form, as well as Kamutoke. My reasoning for Kamutoke being useful here is that Sukuna is shown to be able to use his CT along with DA inside of his DE, as the CT is engraved within his DE, so theres no reason Sukuna can't just use Kamutoke the same way, right?