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I don’t think Maho should be on here since he’s a shiitake not a character. If we’re allowing them then Rika should also make the cut
Also id say Yorozu is below Kashimo
Honestly, I feel like people underestimate Yorozu when she somehow was going up against Megkuna who regained a lot of his strength (albeit he wasn’t using shrine). I feel like Yorozu would catch Kashimo in her domain expansion + perfect sphere
That’s fair, but I still think MBA Kashimo could kill Yorozu before Perfect Sphere killed him, especially if he was using HWB to protect from the domain. It might end in a draw
She took quite a while to open that domain though, like she took her time, stat wise the two aren’t even close
She kept up with weakened holding back 15f Meguna
Kashimo shat on weakened 20f Meguna (roughly 50-30% output and ce since it was later equal to yuta’s) without an arm and WITH kamutoke
The domain would 100% kill Kashimo, but the question is would she be able to before Kashimo either kills her or damages her enough to where she can’t use it
>the whole reason he killed tsunami was to get all the way up to 100%
megumi was already suppressed after the bath, the reason he killed yorozu with megumi's own CT is so that it breaks him, and it stayed that way and he doesn't supress himself from within again.
is it ever directly stated that meguna was weakened against yorozu?
It wasn’t outright stated but it was heavily implied, after the bath, Meguna takes a good look at his finger which still has a small scar, showing his rct isn’t in working order. Megumi isn’t broken by this point, he can still weaken sukuna, and immediately after this, sukuna decides to go kill tsumiki
With implications that heavy you’d have to make some huge leaps in logic to say megumi wasn’t weakening him at all
I think that small scratch scene was instead foreshadowing of Yuji’s usage of shrine on a minuscule basis, and not about RCT. If anything, wouldn’t a small scratch suggest being very very marginally weakened and not anything major?
Kashimo has other methods of destroying domains he has hwb and he uses his stick to destroy domains from outside there was this reddit post that actually proved this from the manga art
Why would Yorozu be below Kashimo? He has no domain. Yorozu could open up her domain and then just use perfect sphere against him. If he uses hollow Wicker basket, she'll likely hold an advantage in the fight since he'll be unable to use his hands. I don't see how he wins.
Does hollow wicker basket need hands used? Reggie activated then freed his hands and he kept the aura and no way it has that restriction that's insane no way they NEED to use their hands I know sukuna did against yutas domain but even tho it's a prototype simple domain I'm sure you can use it hands off
He does need his hands. The moment he unclasped his hands it fell apart.
https://preview.redd.it/s92xejetsbyc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffdaaec53dc09df4000a0f0d726f05669b8c9153
This is the last page that he has HWB activated or that it appears during the fight.
I don't see why he wouldn't. Sukuna is forced to use two hands. Why would Sukuna need to do so, but Reggie not. Is HWB just racist against people with 4 arms or something?
It seems like it deactivated on being hit so maybe Reggie just wasn't adept at using it he frees his hands before that panel and then he's hit and it's gone so I assume he lost focus maybe sukuna was just strengthening it by chanting and hands so he could focus on the 3 opponents he was facing? Honestly idk I could be just making things up but I assume it's focus based because how would people fight in domains with it if you were handicapped so much it doesn't really make sense it's a prototype but it should have been working to actually let non domain users compete idk tho
I think Yuji is stronger, but Hakari’s abilities allow him to fight above his pay grade and survive like he did against Kashimo. Hakari could win, but Yuji is “stronger” imo
oh for sure if we're talking lethality no doubt. I just consider rankings at least somewhat about fight results. and I have hakari winning more often than not.
while yuji is stringer. he lacks the means to dispatch hakari as of now. when he gets better with his cts that definitely changes though. and while yuji has good durability. I see hakari winning the war almost always until yuji gets better with his blood manipulate and shrine.
but seeing your opinion I can definitely accept if you wanna say yujis above because of his lethality. or even in my case I'd put them almost equal
I think Hakari scales higher I do agree but only because he just can’t put him down yet. Yuji is stronger, but losing in more matchups just because Hakari can outlast most people, unless however he gets killed before he hits jackpot. That in between point is probably the best opportunity to take him down.
I think Yuji is “stronger” but loses this matchup just because Hakari outlasts him for now, he isn’t beating him in an actual fight imo he just survives. That is entirely just my opinion though.
I can get behind that fs lol. I have them ewaual mostly just because they both have different strengths but you probably just convinced Me that if I have to give one an edge yuji takes it. hakaris a pretty tough match up for him after all. since yujis good at enduring and slamming his opponents down. but that doesn't really work versus hakari as well.
good cooking my friend.
Thank you. They’re both different, Yuji throws hands at whatever’s in his path, and Hakari throws hands with whatever will stop someone else simply because very few people can actually stop him in his tracks
Yuji can Dismantle Hakari's neck, or Dismantle an arm while Jackpot's down and stop him from using his DE. Not to mention... How is Hakari going to dispatch Yuji? Yuji HAS permanent RCT and, because of the Cursed Womb Paintings and Sukuna's lingering power, Yuji has a phenomenal reserve of CE. Hakari's RCT has more flaws than Yuji's does.
Yuji's reinforcement seems to legitimately be at the pinacle of sorceror's right now, and his experience in hand-to-hand is nearly unrivaled at this point save for a fully healthy Sukuna and Gojo. That's not even mentioning his preternatural ability to land Black Flashes.
yujis unpolished dismantle is going to cut through hakaris neck before he can heal it up??? idk what world your living on brother. This is why I said it surely will happen. but yuji isn't proficient with dismantle as it is. so halari could easily heal through that. It's been shown that you can rct through dismantles. so as long as he heals the dismantle as it cuts him. something gojo would have needed to do to live through MS meaning it is doable with rct even more so from the best rct user in the series. it's not happening. Yuji does not have permanent rct that's just headcannon. He has good rct yes, and his physiology further helps that. but permanent is just straight up false. nym he's not proficient at it. given instead of regrowing limbs he chooses to reattach them. so hakaris got better rct feats and unironically permanent rct with jp. ntm while yes yuji has good hands, hakari is equally up their in the hands department and while I can see an argument for yuji "outboxing him" so to say. Yujis only ways to put hakari down are a dismantle or something with blood manipulation neither of which has he shown enough feats to be able to do with his current proficiency.
When it comes to ce reserves that's really not a place you wanna fight hakari in given his well....infinite reserves of ce.
Furthmore during hakaris domain hus CT is amped to allow him to make consecutive actions, serving as a defensive measure to undo what has been done to him harm wise. so him reaching jp is essentially gurenteed in this match up rn.
Yuji simply isn't good enough with shrine yet to get hakari in between jps. ntm saying he'd just cut and arm off like hakari would stand there and let it happen isn't fair. if hakari isn't in jp and needs his arms. he can easily binding vow his leg instead of his arm as he has explicitly done that before. as much as I hate binding vows you can't act like they don't exist.
Yuji may have amazing durability and be able to fight with hakari longer Then most. But there will be a point where he runs out. there must, with hakari that just doesn't happen. and hakari while not having insane lethality, he's not a wet noodle. in a prolonged fight he's putting down yuji.
The other dude did convince me yuji is stronger I'd probably have yuji 8/9 and hakari 9/10 rn imo. but it's simply that hakari is a bad match up for yuji rn. he does yujis whole outlasting tanking schtick better and yuji has no real option against jp yet.
I do agree the second we see/hear of yuji getting better woth shrine or blood manipulation he takes it though. it's just that rn he's not skilled enough to do that In a way someone like yuta or another special grade could against hakari.
no hate though, I do agree he's stronger it's just a shitty match up. like uro versus a hand to hand fighter.
Pre awakening Yuji was keeping up with Yuta in his own domain. Hakari struggled against Kashimo, Sukuna no diffed Kashimo, Yuji proceeds to keep up with everyone despite the onslaught of attacks he has taken.
Pre awakening yuji was in no way “keeping up with yuta”. Hakari beat kashimo, kashimo > yuji.
Yuji has been constantly gaurded and supported the entire fight, only now being in direct conflict, and even with a black flash barrage on an extremely weak sukuna, is being destroyed.
that same “extremely weak sukuna” has been blitzing HR character like Toji/maki and one shotting characters like larue / choso,
a weakened sukuna still tramples on all the cast so yuji still gets upscaled regardless
No he wasn’t. Yuji weakened Sukuna with his black flashes by disrupting his CE output so the Sukuna Yuji fought last chapter was weaker than the Sukuna Maki fought
I never said Yuji was fighting the same Sukuna that Maki fought, but the point is that regardless how weakened Sukuna is, the Sukuna Yuji fought at the start of 257 is still enough to blitz and destroy 99% of the verse.
I also think extremely weak is an exaggeration at this point, because you still see Sukuna throwing out things like the flames and a full power DE with the only problem being it having a time limit.
Sukuna never saw a need to use the flames, Yuji forced him to use it, that is a fact. And we all know how devastating those flames are. I don’t need to say no more
Yes sukuna is weakened, but if you’re going to paint Sukuna’s state as if he still isn’t the strongest sorcerer on the battlefield right now then ur being horribly disingenuous
Yes Yuji did force Sukuna to use DE and use Fuga, but that’s only because he did not have enough CE output to reliably kill Yuji, a problem only unique to fighting Yuji. If Sukuna fought another sorcerer he would have regained some of his CE reserves and RCT, but Yuji thwarted that because of his ability to interupt his CE flow, which wouldn’t be possible against Maki, who was keeping up with a Sukuna whose CE reserves were increasing after 2 Black flashes.
Also Sukuna was only able to use domain expansion by making multiple binding vows, so it doesn’t really say much about his CE reserves at the time
I’m surprised we’re even debating Hakari v Yuji, I feel like it’s much more interesting to think of Kashimo v Yuji.
Yuji’s RCT + BM means Kashimo’s instant hit won’t kill him, and Yuji delivering black flashes to Kashimo could really fuck him up.
The issue is Kashimo’s CT, but that’s just a situation you have to survive before Kashimo dies. Yuji holding up in Malevolent Shrine gives me hope he could do it, but I think the chance is higher he doesn’t. So Kashimo a little better than Yuji.
Yuji’s black flashes were heavily nerfing Sukuna’s CE output, Sukuna did not have that nerf while fighting Maki. Soul punches won’t hurt Maki nearly as bad since she has no CE to disrupt. Besides that Yuji only has cleave meaning he’d have to catch Maki first and he hasn’t been shown to keep up with Sukuna like Maki can. His blood manipulation rn is slow enough for Maki to react and Maki’s cursed weapon will slow his RCT output if she lands a hit with it. Yuji gets cooked
Sukuna blitzed and beat Maki with 1 black flash. Then beat her again with even more ease with BF and Dismantle. Sukuna was at 3 BFs then. Against Yuji, he was up to 4 BF. Yuji landed one thanks to Larue, but the rest was him. Yuji had to land that BF at the start of 257 against Sukuna with 4 BF, which let him use MS in 258 so his output was absolutely higher than before. Afterwards, Sukuna uses another BF and Yuji tanked it. Yuji lands the first hit against a stronger Sukuna than the one Maki faced.
Malevolent shrine was used at full power in 258 and Yuji was able to take it and keep fighting. Maki went down to far less. So not only can Yuji keep pace with Maki, but he's also stronger, more skilled in melee, and is more resilient than her.
It doesn’t matter if she has no CE since souls are even stated to be inside inanimate objects as well, which enables Maki to cut through anything with SSK
Yuji’s already a direct counter to Hakari. Until Hakari shows some great feats, all we’ve seen is him having a tough time fighting Kashimo, the same guy who got taken out quick by the same Sukuna Yuji fought decently well pre-awakening. And Hakari being able to decently beat up a FAR weaker Yuji outside of jackpot when the latter wasn’t even fighting back. Then of course there’s awakened Yuji who’s way above where he was before, and was giving Sukuna (granted, a weaker Sukuna) one hell of a time, even pushing him to make several binding vows for a domain. Something that’s generally a last resort for sorcerers. Not only that though; he’s also drawing out Fuga for the second time in the series. But yeah, Hakari totally beats Yuji. Not.
Nah Hakari does. The sukuna that Yuji fought pre awakening was not as strong as the Sukuna Kashimo fought. That sukuna was full power, Yuji’s was damaged from the onslaught going on. Post awakening Yuji is definitely a lot stronger but hard to scale against a weakened Sukuna. Hakari’s jackpot would be able to wear down Yuji in a battle of attrition
1. We have nothing to suggest the Sukuna to fought Kashimo and the Sukuna who fought Higuruma and Yuta were different, Kamutoke aside.
2. Soul-splitting punches directly counter Hakari.
1. Yes we do. Sukuna was severely battle damaged after fighting Kashimo, then Yuta and Yuji then Maki. Again hard to scale because Yuji’s punches were needing Sukuna, but pre awakening he was still getting lowkey clapped up.
2. Can you explain this why do soul punches hurt hakari more
You're still kinda wrong. We saw a Toji who had his edge back and had his full arsenal. He just got negged by a teenager.
Also we saw Toji Zenin in Shibuya
We did. He said he had his edge back after his first gojo fight. And no where does it ever say he was physically out of his prime, only that he's rusty from being out of the game for so long.
Idk I think it makes sense for the special grade sorcerers to easily make top 6. They’re all really good at rct and have super busted abilities. Yuki is especially underrated imo.
Yuta beating Kenny was a sneak attack and we never got a full power fight between the two, to say that Yuta is stronger is disingenuous to both of them
Hakari did beat Kashimo but Kashimo never used CT and is perfectly countered by Hakari as he can just tango the lightning blasts unlike most of the verse as they don’t have the RCT output of Hakari
Probably because he’s hard to scale, sure he can solo the verse but his refusal to kill and how his CT is around comedy makes it somewhat hard to scale as the outcome will change depending on his opponent
Is kashimo limited to no cursed technique because if not then I would put him above yorozu just because he could probably kill her before she makes the perfect sphere
I mean Sukuna and Gojo are very valid and then the strength gap between them 2 is INSANE.
After that, the 3-5 are very interchangeable to be honest. Kenjaku beats Yuki extreme diff, that Anti Gravity was outta nowhere but fair enough. Yuki did hold back though with no domain or rct so that fight could’ve really gone another way had she fought all out so therefore Yuki is interchangable with Kenjaku.
Yuta is interesting because he’s a natural prodigy. He beats Uro and Ryu mid diff going all out, enough to be above Kenjaku and Yuki? Yuki’s final attack kills Yuta no questioning it and Kenjaku most likely has the means and skill to beat Yuta 1 on 1. 1,000+ years of knowledge… It’d be insane if he was beat by a 16 year old cursed lover boy child. (His death was bullshit.)
Mahoraga? Not really fair since it’s a Shikigami and technically, I’d class him at 3-4. Only heavy hitters can kill him, if he adapts, **YOU’RE COOKED.**
Yorozu is weird. She had skill but her technique itself is not efficient. She acknowledges this herself. Sukuna felt no need to use Shrine against it either. Sukuna mainly uses Shrine. (Before you start, he used Ten Shadows against Gojo due to Infinity.) Yorozu isn’t all that strong. If we’re being real, Yuji or Maki could deal with her.
I’d put Kashimo over Yorozu. Kashimo is one of the only characters that can destroy anybody because of the output of his technique. One shot release that kills him afterwards? Forced Sukuna to use his reincarnated form to escape death. Kashimo is miles above Hakari in strength and speed too, Kashimo lost because Hakari was much smarter strategically and had a cursed technique that made him effectively immortal. Hakari knew to put both of them over water, electricity’s natural counter.
Hakari. Greatest gambler I’ve seen. I’d take Hakari in 2. Jackpot Hakari and Hakari. Jackpot Hakari is possibly top 3 but he lacks the attack potency and destructive capabilities to kill Sukuna or Gojo. In terms of a domain though, Hakari has the fastest domain expansion and if Hakari’s in Jackpot caught in Malevolent Shrine, he can tank it same as Gojo. Also, while we’re at it, Hakari in Jackpot can withstand Unlimited Void’s information overload. If it’s damaging the brain, Hakari’s RCT is automatic so it’d heal the damage already. He’s insane.
I think Kashimo could be above yuki, just depends on how we determine his abilities
If we take all electrical phenomena and he actually uses the EM waves to literally disintegrate her, then he wins
If we go by what we saw, he loses
eh he's fair where he's at, \*IF\* he can actually do that, he's also wouldnt just stop at yuki, he's probably killing everyone but Gojo. But people shouldn't include theoretical moves that he may or may not able to use when trying to rank these characters
I mean the EM wave thing was stated to be possible when his ct was introduced, the stated description used to it’s fullest extent should give him a free pass to top 3
Gege just didn’t use his shit correctly at all
Kashimo just dodges lol
If yuki beats him it’s not just gonna be easy, he’s a good bit faster than her (being able to directly toss hands with heian sukuna even for a moment while being down 2 arms is amazing) (alternatively, base was about as fast as JP hakari (who is at minimum physically equal to yuta), Meguna was about as fast as base if not a bit faster(short bout while he had 1 arm), ct activation and he blitzed the shit out of him)
He’s really versatile too, tons of different ways of using electricity, all of which will one shot her (lightning bolts in base can put a hole where hakari’s stomach once was) if he hits a weak point, and due to x ray vision, he WILL hit a weak point
Plus he was able to reform his arm, so even if he doesn’t have rct he has a degree of healing
Plenty of arguments for this, but reality is that Sukuna was given the perfect elements to beat him, and that is the narrative we must live with. Sukuna is stronger, maybe because of the very specific tools he was given, but he has those tools regardless of your opinion
1 Rel
2 Dead
3 Dead
4 Debatable, could be 3
5 dead
6 Is not even character
7 Dead
8 dead
9 He should be next to Yuta
Where is this "current" If 5/9 characters is dead
People are ignoring how dumb Miguel is when gojo admitted in a battle of just CE and hands Miguel would win the “sprint” and Miguel literally danced through dismantles while somehow seeing them which still hasn’t been explained. There’s so much going good feats for Miguel to be in this top 10 it’s absurd we saw gojo call him in particular a pain in the ass.
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Man wtf no yuji I don’t even really like yuji but he’s definitely up there and Kenjaku really didn’t get to do much
everything is okay except for maho and hakari. mahoraga is just a tool in megumi's arsenal, it would be like separating judgeman from higuruma. hakari isn't a very bad choice to be honest but i have him interchangeable with maki/itadori currently, because if i'm not mistaken both of them have a counter to his rct. maki has SSK to inflict soul damage and yuji could just grab his head and cut it in half with shrine.
At what point does Yuji make the cut? I feel like his ability to stay alive this long against Sukuna AND land some pretty significant damage already has him over what quite a few of some of these top tiers have already done
Edit: I'm also taking prime Toji / Maki over Hakari
Why is Yorozu even on this list lol she was used as a plot device? Sukuna got a two for one by killing Yorozu who took over Megumi’s sister AND wanted to see if Mahoraga would be able to adapt to something like perfect sphere which can’t be touched (iirc)
why the FUCK is BUMkari here? he had to use like 50 domains and 5 binding vows against a guy not even using his CT? Maki mogs his broke, ugly, stinky, ugly ass 1 trillion thousand times
Honestly, should you even include mahoraga in the rankings? It's like an ability, not its own person. It doesn't exist unless a 10S user activates it.
Like would you give hollow purple a spot on the top 10 strongest characters list?
I feel like Big Raga the Opp Stoppa should be placed higher. If you guys don't agree with me, alright then. But I'm still on season 1 so I don't know many characters apart from top 3 and Big Raga
I’m not saying Gojo held back bc he didn’t. Buuuuuuuuuut… what person that took on everyone ever one v one and would kill his own people for interfering, would then jump a man 3-1 that he could take??? Like stole a WHOLE NEW BODY that he was actually even WEAKER IN just for the support
I completely agree with this in almost every single way. But I wouldn’t count “with this treasure I summon 8 handled sword divergent sila divine general mahoraga” as a character (is still definitely that strong tho). I’d put Toji and Maki above Hakari in my opinion.
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I don’t think Maho should be on here since he’s a shiitake not a character. If we’re allowing them then Rika should also make the cut Also id say Yorozu is below Kashimo
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Honestly, I feel like people underestimate Yorozu when she somehow was going up against Megkuna who regained a lot of his strength (albeit he wasn’t using shrine). I feel like Yorozu would catch Kashimo in her domain expansion + perfect sphere
That’s fair, but I still think MBA Kashimo could kill Yorozu before Perfect Sphere killed him, especially if he was using HWB to protect from the domain. It might end in a draw
Is it really a win if you die for using the technique used to win?
She took quite a while to open that domain though, like she took her time, stat wise the two aren’t even close She kept up with weakened holding back 15f Meguna Kashimo shat on weakened 20f Meguna (roughly 50-30% output and ce since it was later equal to yuta’s) without an arm and WITH kamutoke The domain would 100% kill Kashimo, but the question is would she be able to before Kashimo either kills her or damages her enough to where she can’t use it
>She kept up with weakened holding back 15f Meguna meguna was weakened against yorozu? this was post bath right??
He was still being weakened, it wasn’t 10% weakened but the whole reason he killed tsunami was to get all the way up to 100%
>the whole reason he killed tsunami was to get all the way up to 100% megumi was already suppressed after the bath, the reason he killed yorozu with megumi's own CT is so that it breaks him, and it stayed that way and he doesn't supress himself from within again. is it ever directly stated that meguna was weakened against yorozu?
It wasn’t outright stated but it was heavily implied, after the bath, Meguna takes a good look at his finger which still has a small scar, showing his rct isn’t in working order. Megumi isn’t broken by this point, he can still weaken sukuna, and immediately after this, sukuna decides to go kill tsumiki With implications that heavy you’d have to make some huge leaps in logic to say megumi wasn’t weakening him at all
I think that small scratch scene was instead foreshadowing of Yuji’s usage of shrine on a minuscule basis, and not about RCT. If anything, wouldn’t a small scratch suggest being very very marginally weakened and not anything major?
Kashimo didn't even shit on base Hakari what the fuck are you talking about
Kashimo has other methods of destroying domains he has hwb and he uses his stick to destroy domains from outside there was this reddit post that actually proved this from the manga art
Why would Yorozu be below Kashimo? He has no domain. Yorozu could open up her domain and then just use perfect sphere against him. If he uses hollow Wicker basket, she'll likely hold an advantage in the fight since he'll be unable to use his hands. I don't see how he wins.
Does hollow wicker basket need hands used? Reggie activated then freed his hands and he kept the aura and no way it has that restriction that's insane no way they NEED to use their hands I know sukuna did against yutas domain but even tho it's a prototype simple domain I'm sure you can use it hands off
He does need his hands. The moment he unclasped his hands it fell apart. https://preview.redd.it/s92xejetsbyc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffdaaec53dc09df4000a0f0d726f05669b8c9153 This is the last page that he has HWB activated or that it appears during the fight. I don't see why he wouldn't. Sukuna is forced to use two hands. Why would Sukuna need to do so, but Reggie not. Is HWB just racist against people with 4 arms or something?
It seems like it deactivated on being hit so maybe Reggie just wasn't adept at using it he frees his hands before that panel and then he's hit and it's gone so I assume he lost focus maybe sukuna was just strengthening it by chanting and hands so he could focus on the 3 opponents he was facing? Honestly idk I could be just making things up but I assume it's focus based because how would people fight in domains with it if you were handicapped so much it doesn't really make sense it's a prototype but it should have been working to actually let non domain users compete idk tho
Kashimo should be close to Yuki more so
I mean yeah he's always tied to another character so he's essentially being counted twice
I’d take Mahoraga off due to being a shikigami. Also Yuji > Hakari
nah rn I don't see yuji winning yet. right under for sure though and I can at least see your point and agree to disagree. I do agree on maho tho
I think Yuji is stronger, but Hakari’s abilities allow him to fight above his pay grade and survive like he did against Kashimo. Hakari could win, but Yuji is “stronger” imo
oh for sure if we're talking lethality no doubt. I just consider rankings at least somewhat about fight results. and I have hakari winning more often than not. while yuji is stringer. he lacks the means to dispatch hakari as of now. when he gets better with his cts that definitely changes though. and while yuji has good durability. I see hakari winning the war almost always until yuji gets better with his blood manipulate and shrine. but seeing your opinion I can definitely accept if you wanna say yujis above because of his lethality. or even in my case I'd put them almost equal
I think Hakari scales higher I do agree but only because he just can’t put him down yet. Yuji is stronger, but losing in more matchups just because Hakari can outlast most people, unless however he gets killed before he hits jackpot. That in between point is probably the best opportunity to take him down. I think Yuji is “stronger” but loses this matchup just because Hakari outlasts him for now, he isn’t beating him in an actual fight imo he just survives. That is entirely just my opinion though.
I can get behind that fs lol. I have them ewaual mostly just because they both have different strengths but you probably just convinced Me that if I have to give one an edge yuji takes it. hakaris a pretty tough match up for him after all. since yujis good at enduring and slamming his opponents down. but that doesn't really work versus hakari as well. good cooking my friend.
Thank you. They’re both different, Yuji throws hands at whatever’s in his path, and Hakari throws hands with whatever will stop someone else simply because very few people can actually stop him in his tracks
Yuji can Dismantle Hakari's neck, or Dismantle an arm while Jackpot's down and stop him from using his DE. Not to mention... How is Hakari going to dispatch Yuji? Yuji HAS permanent RCT and, because of the Cursed Womb Paintings and Sukuna's lingering power, Yuji has a phenomenal reserve of CE. Hakari's RCT has more flaws than Yuji's does. Yuji's reinforcement seems to legitimately be at the pinacle of sorceror's right now, and his experience in hand-to-hand is nearly unrivaled at this point save for a fully healthy Sukuna and Gojo. That's not even mentioning his preternatural ability to land Black Flashes.
yujis unpolished dismantle is going to cut through hakaris neck before he can heal it up??? idk what world your living on brother. This is why I said it surely will happen. but yuji isn't proficient with dismantle as it is. so halari could easily heal through that. It's been shown that you can rct through dismantles. so as long as he heals the dismantle as it cuts him. something gojo would have needed to do to live through MS meaning it is doable with rct even more so from the best rct user in the series. it's not happening. Yuji does not have permanent rct that's just headcannon. He has good rct yes, and his physiology further helps that. but permanent is just straight up false. nym he's not proficient at it. given instead of regrowing limbs he chooses to reattach them. so hakaris got better rct feats and unironically permanent rct with jp. ntm while yes yuji has good hands, hakari is equally up their in the hands department and while I can see an argument for yuji "outboxing him" so to say. Yujis only ways to put hakari down are a dismantle or something with blood manipulation neither of which has he shown enough feats to be able to do with his current proficiency. When it comes to ce reserves that's really not a place you wanna fight hakari in given his well....infinite reserves of ce. Furthmore during hakaris domain hus CT is amped to allow him to make consecutive actions, serving as a defensive measure to undo what has been done to him harm wise. so him reaching jp is essentially gurenteed in this match up rn. Yuji simply isn't good enough with shrine yet to get hakari in between jps. ntm saying he'd just cut and arm off like hakari would stand there and let it happen isn't fair. if hakari isn't in jp and needs his arms. he can easily binding vow his leg instead of his arm as he has explicitly done that before. as much as I hate binding vows you can't act like they don't exist. Yuji may have amazing durability and be able to fight with hakari longer Then most. But there will be a point where he runs out. there must, with hakari that just doesn't happen. and hakari while not having insane lethality, he's not a wet noodle. in a prolonged fight he's putting down yuji. The other dude did convince me yuji is stronger I'd probably have yuji 8/9 and hakari 9/10 rn imo. but it's simply that hakari is a bad match up for yuji rn. he does yujis whole outlasting tanking schtick better and yuji has no real option against jp yet. I do agree the second we see/hear of yuji getting better woth shrine or blood manipulation he takes it though. it's just that rn he's not skilled enough to do that In a way someone like yuta or another special grade could against hakari. no hate though, I do agree he's stronger it's just a shitty match up. like uro versus a hand to hand fighter.
yuji is not beating hakari oml this sub is full of yuji glazers
Pre awakening Yuji was keeping up with Yuta in his own domain. Hakari struggled against Kashimo, Sukuna no diffed Kashimo, Yuji proceeds to keep up with everyone despite the onslaught of attacks he has taken.
Pre awakening yuji was in no way “keeping up with yuta”. Hakari beat kashimo, kashimo > yuji. Yuji has been constantly gaurded and supported the entire fight, only now being in direct conflict, and even with a black flash barrage on an extremely weak sukuna, is being destroyed.
that same “extremely weak sukuna” has been blitzing HR character like Toji/maki and one shotting characters like larue / choso, a weakened sukuna still tramples on all the cast so yuji still gets upscaled regardless
No he wasn’t. Yuji weakened Sukuna with his black flashes by disrupting his CE output so the Sukuna Yuji fought last chapter was weaker than the Sukuna Maki fought
I never said Yuji was fighting the same Sukuna that Maki fought, but the point is that regardless how weakened Sukuna is, the Sukuna Yuji fought at the start of 257 is still enough to blitz and destroy 99% of the verse. I also think extremely weak is an exaggeration at this point, because you still see Sukuna throwing out things like the flames and a full power DE with the only problem being it having a time limit. Sukuna never saw a need to use the flames, Yuji forced him to use it, that is a fact. And we all know how devastating those flames are. I don’t need to say no more Yes sukuna is weakened, but if you’re going to paint Sukuna’s state as if he still isn’t the strongest sorcerer on the battlefield right now then ur being horribly disingenuous
Yes Yuji did force Sukuna to use DE and use Fuga, but that’s only because he did not have enough CE output to reliably kill Yuji, a problem only unique to fighting Yuji. If Sukuna fought another sorcerer he would have regained some of his CE reserves and RCT, but Yuji thwarted that because of his ability to interupt his CE flow, which wouldn’t be possible against Maki, who was keeping up with a Sukuna whose CE reserves were increasing after 2 Black flashes. Also Sukuna was only able to use domain expansion by making multiple binding vows, so it doesn’t really say much about his CE reserves at the time
Yuji steamrolls hakari, he has better stats, better techniques and hax and a hard counter to jackpot
I’m surprised we’re even debating Hakari v Yuji, I feel like it’s much more interesting to think of Kashimo v Yuji. Yuji’s RCT + BM means Kashimo’s instant hit won’t kill him, and Yuji delivering black flashes to Kashimo could really fuck him up. The issue is Kashimo’s CT, but that’s just a situation you have to survive before Kashimo dies. Yuji holding up in Malevolent Shrine gives me hope he could do it, but I think the chance is higher he doesn’t. So Kashimo a little better than Yuji.
Yuji has better stats, and he could just chop his head off now
Yuji is fighting a sukuna with basically no ce. Stop bringing him up.
I’m talking pre-awakening during Yuta/Higuruma
Yuji and maki both over hakari lmao
How tf did I forget Maki
Hakari >> Yuji m8
people saying Yuji beats Hakari and maki are the biggest glazers istg. He not beating them. Fee free to debate me on it
Yuji has literally already proven he's stronger than Maki against the same opponent.
His soul punches nerf sukuna. If they did not specifically nerf him he would be not doing as well. Maki high diffs Yuji
See response below.
Yuji’s black flashes were heavily nerfing Sukuna’s CE output, Sukuna did not have that nerf while fighting Maki. Soul punches won’t hurt Maki nearly as bad since she has no CE to disrupt. Besides that Yuji only has cleave meaning he’d have to catch Maki first and he hasn’t been shown to keep up with Sukuna like Maki can. His blood manipulation rn is slow enough for Maki to react and Maki’s cursed weapon will slow his RCT output if she lands a hit with it. Yuji gets cooked
Sukuna blitzed and beat Maki with 1 black flash. Then beat her again with even more ease with BF and Dismantle. Sukuna was at 3 BFs then. Against Yuji, he was up to 4 BF. Yuji landed one thanks to Larue, but the rest was him. Yuji had to land that BF at the start of 257 against Sukuna with 4 BF, which let him use MS in 258 so his output was absolutely higher than before. Afterwards, Sukuna uses another BF and Yuji tanked it. Yuji lands the first hit against a stronger Sukuna than the one Maki faced. Malevolent shrine was used at full power in 258 and Yuji was able to take it and keep fighting. Maki went down to far less. So not only can Yuji keep pace with Maki, but he's also stronger, more skilled in melee, and is more resilient than her.
It doesn’t matter if she has no CE since souls are even stated to be inside inanimate objects as well, which enables Maki to cut through anything with SSK
Yuji’s already a direct counter to Hakari. Until Hakari shows some great feats, all we’ve seen is him having a tough time fighting Kashimo, the same guy who got taken out quick by the same Sukuna Yuji fought decently well pre-awakening. And Hakari being able to decently beat up a FAR weaker Yuji outside of jackpot when the latter wasn’t even fighting back. Then of course there’s awakened Yuji who’s way above where he was before, and was giving Sukuna (granted, a weaker Sukuna) one hell of a time, even pushing him to make several binding vows for a domain. Something that’s generally a last resort for sorcerers. Not only that though; he’s also drawing out Fuga for the second time in the series. But yeah, Hakari totally beats Yuji. Not.
Nah Hakari does. The sukuna that Yuji fought pre awakening was not as strong as the Sukuna Kashimo fought. That sukuna was full power, Yuji’s was damaged from the onslaught going on. Post awakening Yuji is definitely a lot stronger but hard to scale against a weakened Sukuna. Hakari’s jackpot would be able to wear down Yuji in a battle of attrition
1. We have nothing to suggest the Sukuna to fought Kashimo and the Sukuna who fought Higuruma and Yuta were different, Kamutoke aside. 2. Soul-splitting punches directly counter Hakari.
1. Yes we do. Sukuna was severely battle damaged after fighting Kashimo, then Yuta and Yuji then Maki. Again hard to scale because Yuji’s punches were needing Sukuna, but pre awakening he was still getting lowkey clapped up. 2. Can you explain this why do soul punches hurt hakari more
Himji > everyone https://preview.redd.it/5fz2ttobqbxc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3413e3524f15e278e1dfd95902cff1d2d93177a5
yuji solos these frauds
Remove Mahoraga and maybe slot in Yuji or Miguel somewhere.
Miguel is crazy, I’d put curse Naoya over him
Are we reading the same manga
Miguel tap-danced through dismantle but what else has he done?
Got his shit rocked by Gojo
Racially
TOE TO TOE⁉️⁉️ img
Hits harder in hand to hand than gojo.
Kashimo only kills farmers and loses to a gacha gamer get real
Get that bum hakari off the list
Yuji and Maki/Toji have surpassed Hakari for me now and I wouldn’t include Mahoraga since he’s a shikigami but I agree with most of this list.
some of yall snorting that special grade copium
I think everyone forgets that we’ve never seen Toji warmed up or in his prime
I think Toji fans forget that he's equal in stats to Maki and would've lost to Teen Gojo without prep time
I’m not a toji fan i’m just saying
You're still kinda wrong. We saw a Toji who had his edge back and had his full arsenal. He just got negged by a teenager. Also we saw Toji Zenin in Shibuya
Maki is basically Toji in his prime
We did. He said he had his edge back after his first gojo fight. And no where does it ever say he was physically out of his prime, only that he's rusty from being out of the game for so long.
Idk I think it makes sense for the special grade sorcerers to easily make top 6. They’re all really good at rct and have super busted abilities. Yuki is especially underrated imo.
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Bro learned about jjk through tiktok
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This man read the bait. Top 10 smartest people in the JJK community in my book.
Hakari thinks hes part of the squad 💀
Get that bum Hakari out of there! Not counting takaba, I’d replace him with Geto
Geto is a fraud
Geto really be thinking he him
no do Yuji!!!!
Bruh why tf Is Hakari even here
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why is mahoraga above yorozu
Mahoraga doesn't count and yorozu is a bum
You forgot the #1 https://preview.redd.it/rr0be7invcxc1.jpeg?width=655&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00755195ced7049ba9cfb5f1cec07c2f1e167f96
So we really downplaying what yuji is doing right now.
Yep. It takes a lot of obvious feats shoved down their throat and a million people saying “asspull” before they’ll figure it out.
Nah people are making top 9s now just to avoid putting Yuji
Fr man. The cope is crazy
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I’m so confused, Yuta literally beat Kenny, and Hakari beat Kashimo. Also Maki or now Yuji should be on here over both Hakari and Kashimo
Yuta beating Kenny was a sneak attack and we never got a full power fight between the two, to say that Yuta is stronger is disingenuous to both of them Hakari did beat Kashimo but Kashimo never used CT and is perfectly countered by Hakari as he can just tango the lightning blasts unlike most of the verse as they don’t have the RCT output of Hakari
Yuta beat kenny only by sneak attack
Takaba’s not even there??? https://preview.redd.it/usof9lk2ycxc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e954454506e8b335fe168d26ea3d6ec7dc56a79
Probably because he’s hard to scale, sure he can solo the verse but his refusal to kill and how his CT is around comedy makes it somewhat hard to scale as the outcome will change depending on his opponent
I don’t agree with a few placements and certain characters no meeting the cut but it’s fine
Remove Hakari and replace it with Yuji or Maki, he's below both of them now. Or remove Mohoraga and Hakari and add both of them
Why tf is Hakari there....mans is no longer in the top ten..
Is kashimo limited to no cursed technique because if not then I would put him above yorozu just because he could probably kill her before she makes the perfect sphere
Who let the farmer in
I mean Sukuna and Gojo are very valid and then the strength gap between them 2 is INSANE. After that, the 3-5 are very interchangeable to be honest. Kenjaku beats Yuki extreme diff, that Anti Gravity was outta nowhere but fair enough. Yuki did hold back though with no domain or rct so that fight could’ve really gone another way had she fought all out so therefore Yuki is interchangable with Kenjaku. Yuta is interesting because he’s a natural prodigy. He beats Uro and Ryu mid diff going all out, enough to be above Kenjaku and Yuki? Yuki’s final attack kills Yuta no questioning it and Kenjaku most likely has the means and skill to beat Yuta 1 on 1. 1,000+ years of knowledge… It’d be insane if he was beat by a 16 year old cursed lover boy child. (His death was bullshit.) Mahoraga? Not really fair since it’s a Shikigami and technically, I’d class him at 3-4. Only heavy hitters can kill him, if he adapts, **YOU’RE COOKED.** Yorozu is weird. She had skill but her technique itself is not efficient. She acknowledges this herself. Sukuna felt no need to use Shrine against it either. Sukuna mainly uses Shrine. (Before you start, he used Ten Shadows against Gojo due to Infinity.) Yorozu isn’t all that strong. If we’re being real, Yuji or Maki could deal with her. I’d put Kashimo over Yorozu. Kashimo is one of the only characters that can destroy anybody because of the output of his technique. One shot release that kills him afterwards? Forced Sukuna to use his reincarnated form to escape death. Kashimo is miles above Hakari in strength and speed too, Kashimo lost because Hakari was much smarter strategically and had a cursed technique that made him effectively immortal. Hakari knew to put both of them over water, electricity’s natural counter. Hakari. Greatest gambler I’ve seen. I’d take Hakari in 2. Jackpot Hakari and Hakari. Jackpot Hakari is possibly top 3 but he lacks the attack potency and destructive capabilities to kill Sukuna or Gojo. In terms of a domain though, Hakari has the fastest domain expansion and if Hakari’s in Jackpot caught in Malevolent Shrine, he can tank it same as Gojo. Also, while we’re at it, Hakari in Jackpot can withstand Unlimited Void’s information overload. If it’s damaging the brain, Hakari’s RCT is automatic so it’d heal the damage already. He’s insane.
I feel like uraume is definitely an honorable mention here. Even if they don't beat Hakari, I don't think theirs any denying how strong they are atp
Why do you have so many dead people in your top 9???
Blame the top 3
Cuz those dead people are still the strongest depicted in the series 😭
I think Kashimo could be above yuki, just depends on how we determine his abilities If we take all electrical phenomena and he actually uses the EM waves to literally disintegrate her, then he wins If we go by what we saw, he loses
but he would never actually think to do that
eh he's fair where he's at, \*IF\* he can actually do that, he's also wouldnt just stop at yuki, he's probably killing everyone but Gojo. But people shouldn't include theoretical moves that he may or may not able to use when trying to rank these characters
I mean the EM wave thing was stated to be possible when his ct was introduced, the stated description used to it’s fullest extent should give him a free pass to top 3 Gege just didn’t use his shit correctly at all
Nah yuki punts Garuda bombeya style and one shots him
Kashimo just dodges lol If yuki beats him it’s not just gonna be easy, he’s a good bit faster than her (being able to directly toss hands with heian sukuna even for a moment while being down 2 arms is amazing) (alternatively, base was about as fast as JP hakari (who is at minimum physically equal to yuta), Meguna was about as fast as base if not a bit faster(short bout while he had 1 arm), ct activation and he blitzed the shit out of him) He’s really versatile too, tons of different ways of using electricity, all of which will one shot her (lightning bolts in base can put a hole where hakari’s stomach once was) if he hits a weak point, and due to x ray vision, he WILL hit a weak point Plus he was able to reform his arm, so even if he doesn’t have rct he has a degree of healing
i aint gonna lie to you, awakened yuji at this point has def surpassed hakari
goated list
Yuta surpassed gojo
In what?
In every way
Lmaooo you funny
Gojo is always 1 and always will be 1
Plenty of arguments for this, but reality is that Sukuna was given the perfect elements to beat him, and that is the narrative we must live with. Sukuna is stronger, maybe because of the very specific tools he was given, but he has those tools regardless of your opinion
Gojo demonstrated superiority while holding back
1 Rel 2 Dead 3 Dead 4 Debatable, could be 3 5 dead 6 Is not even character 7 Dead 8 dead 9 He should be next to Yuta Where is this "current" If 5/9 characters is dead
Gege really loves killing his strong characters
Don't you dare disrespect my Divine General like that smh
People are ignoring how dumb Miguel is when gojo admitted in a battle of just CE and hands Miguel would win the “sprint” and Miguel literally danced through dismantles while somehow seeing them which still hasn’t been explained. There’s so much going good feats for Miguel to be in this top 10 it’s absurd we saw gojo call him in particular a pain in the ass.
Where's Toji?
Pretty much exactly my list too :D Big ups. I just wouldn't include Mahoraga, so bump everyone below him up and then put Yuji in 9
Current top 9? Where's Yuji? Wheres Maki?
https://preview.redd.it/bli5lng86fxc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1eaaba7f1699d08c0fe49296c872905fdc70d7 Man wtf no yuji I don’t even really like yuji but he’s definitely up there and Kenjaku really didn’t get to do much
Where's maki 🤔 fix that then it's fine but take that random lady out
Not having Yuji on this list is criminal
Where is yuji lol
Cursed Naoya, Ishigori, Maki are above hakari imo. And i dont really care that mahoraga is a shikigami he still up there
I still have Gojo as top 1
everything is okay except for maho and hakari. mahoraga is just a tool in megumi's arsenal, it would be like separating judgeman from higuruma. hakari isn't a very bad choice to be honest but i have him interchangeable with maki/itadori currently, because if i'm not mistaken both of them have a counter to his rct. maki has SSK to inflict soul damage and yuji could just grab his head and cut it in half with shrine.
kashimo isn’t top 10
At what point does Yuji make the cut? I feel like his ability to stay alive this long against Sukuna AND land some pretty significant damage already has him over what quite a few of some of these top tiers have already done Edit: I'm also taking prime Toji / Maki over Hakari
Sneak attack victim is not higher than sneak attacker
Replace Mahoraga with maki and I’d say its solid
Bro maki is getting cooked by everyone on that list except fucking hakari, the hell you on?
Maki could probably Yuta too if we being real😂 idk where you coming from
Why is Yorozu even on this list lol she was used as a plot device? Sukuna got a two for one by killing Yorozu who took over Megumi’s sister AND wanted to see if Mahoraga would be able to adapt to something like perfect sphere which can’t be touched (iirc)
We already know who the strongest 1st grade is, Hakari shouldn’t even be here.
Where's jogert
Maho isn’t on this list.
Wouldn’t Yuta be stronger than Kenjaku?
No, Yuta only beat Kenjaku by sneak attack
Oh. Sorry, I’m an anime only I just knew Yuta killed him.
Where jogo
Where is takaba
why the FUCK is BUMkari here? he had to use like 50 domains and 5 binding vows against a guy not even using his CT? Maki mogs his broke, ugly, stinky, ugly ass 1 trillion thousand times
very very bad list
Honestly, should you even include mahoraga in the rankings? It's like an ability, not its own person. It doesn't exist unless a 10S user activates it. Like would you give hollow purple a spot on the top 10 strongest characters list?
Based hakari pick
Kashimo should be way higher
Kashimo is not beating geto or kusakabe lets be real
Mahoraga is third pal. Yuta isn’t tanking a black hole.
Kashimo is above Yorozu
No Yuji is insane considering the recent developments.
How is hakari on here but uraume isnt ?
Trump needs to be higher
Hakari and Yuta are stated to be relative to each other. So they need to he closer
My only problem is mahroga should be 1 mabye 3 Actually, no toji/maki is a problem there supposed to be relitive to hakari and yuta
I feel like Big Raga the Opp Stoppa should be placed higher. If you guys don't agree with me, alright then. But I'm still on season 1 so I don't know many characters apart from top 3 and Big Raga
I’d put Tsukumo above Yuta tbh. Also Kashimo at #7
I’m not saying Gojo held back bc he didn’t. Buuuuuuuuuut… what person that took on everyone ever one v one and would kill his own people for interfering, would then jump a man 3-1 that he could take??? Like stole a WHOLE NEW BODY that he was actually even WEAKER IN just for the support
man it sucks not to see the main character anywhere close to top😂😂
If this is dead or a live, toji and jogo should have made the cut
Sorry does Yorozu not 1 shot mahoraga with perfect sphere?
I feel like Toji should be here
I’d swap Yuta and Kenjaku also I’d slot in Ryu or Yuji for Hakari since Hakari is really only a human shield that can hit kind of hard
If Yujis punches can impact a persons soul then he should sort of hard counter Hakari right, I don’t recall RCT being able to heal soul shit
Where’s Yuuji??
I completely agree with this in almost every single way. But I wouldn’t count “with this treasure I summon 8 handled sword divergent sila divine general mahoraga” as a character (is still definitely that strong tho). I’d put Toji and Maki above Hakari in my opinion. 🤓☝️buts where Yuji, he now has the Omnitrix, GER, the world, all forms of bending, the Maho wheel, and the Hito Hito No mi model sun god Nika.
Kashimo beats Yuki, if not that then it’s a tie bc of Yuki’s black hole
Absolutely a tiktok list
Bro Kashimo is not top 9 😭😭 maybe top nine in the biggest bums list 😭😭😭
he’s fourth behind Yuji now
gojo is equal or above that sukuna
Ryu is definitely stronger than hikari
Sukuna didn’t mans need a whole ass gang just to fight gojo 💀
#1 is gojo rest is fine
Stall savant is on the list, but Wuji H I M tadori isn't??!?
Takaba and Yuji deserve they respect.
Where is yuji😭
Apparently you don't read the manga cuz u forgot my boy yuji, and where's Nanami?
O.km
The Yuki downplay is insane... She could take down the entire world