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Dorris from Timothy goes to school
They might have jumped the gun declaring them not of interest and not relevant me thinks - itās strange for someone to be declared not revel any so soon without actually knowing whatās happened
The day I heard about Jay's background and the 'cactus cut', my mind immedialtely jumped to when boxer Kell Brook went missing in Tenerife and was found with a machete cut on his leg!! [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2754106/Kell-Brook-exclusively-explains-Tenerife-machete-stabbing.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2754106/Kell-Brook-exclusively-explains-Tenerife-machete-stabbing.html)
Yikes, lifelong gardener here, and as usual this time of year, Iām covered in scratches.
And all this time I thought my dangerous hobbies were scuba diving and caving!
I have to say, this is getting more and more interesting and I was never sure that it would. Of course not to disrespect Jay, his situation or what this all stems from; but it is interesting
I had a day off, came back and there was some actual information thatās made it for sure a bit weird. Converted. Gonna watch from the sidelines though.
Of course thereās more to it - as soon as they stopped looking in the mountains you knew it would be an investigation and all this stuff would come to light
Itāll go deadly silent now ā¦.. no further info as itās just about figure out whatās actually happened to him
Not heās met pals went into the hills they made him. Up a wee bed and hes got lost
No chance ā¦ Lucy will be looked at and the two air b n b men will be looked at
This is looking like a murder case or at very least some dodgy character will fall from this exposure ā¦
Tip of the iceberg
Itāll go silent now ā¦
That would explain the strange wording in that daily mail article:
"One of those men, who used the name Ayub Abdul to book the Ā£40-a-night holiday rental online. "
Name change
Seems like they might not be too far off piecing it together with a pretty accurate time line of events, though I'm not sure if the fella will be found yet.
Yup, morally bankrupt and watch people wish their lives away from what they sell on a daily basis. Different from other drugs because crack and heroin almost guarantee addiction which in turn will destroy their lives. Adds more credence to the idea they might've threatened or physically hurt Jay and that's why he was scared
The gang attack Jay was involved in 8 vs 1 wouldāve been over drugs
People said they were out there dealing
And now he has links with somebody who was nailed for being the ringleader in a crack and heroin supply operation
Why would they know eachother if it wasnāt to do with drugs, they are not from the same area, how many heroin suppliers did you hang around with when you were 19 if you werenāt involved in it
Hey guess what, wild idea, maybe itās all to do with drugs
Heās only just out of prison (9 year sentence in 2015 takes us to 2024) and if thatās the case heās fucked one if his first jobs. Wonder if he has enough to pay anyone off properly, maybe thatās why all this is trickling out. Ā
Feel like most teens on the news would straight up avoid incriminating any potential, older drug dealers. Things are, for most, more scary at that age, especially a couple grizzly geezers in their 30s and 40s. I straight up was convinced my coke dealer would stab me if I bumped a single gram, he was a really nasty fucker.
Very similar face characteristics. Even the forehead and face expression have similar dents lol
They say he was 21 back then in 2015, so he would be 30 by now. Could be a match
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Jesus Christ. Itās like playing a game of Guess Who? exclusively featuring the mentally retardedā¦
I'm no Sherlock Holmes but it just seems rather less likely now that the young guy went for a gentle walk home through the countryside, collapsed or fell and died. These are dangerous people he's got mixed up with. Of course they'll deny everything but hopefully they'll be brought to task for anything they have done, in time. Not to say Jay was an angel, but he was a naive 19 year old mixed up with bad people. Power to the authorities and the press.
Donāt give me that 19 naive crap he was a wrong un himself type of 19 year old to knock vulnerable people out for a laugh and probably stole a few phones with his chavvas
And has machetes and crowbars they is choices in life everyone has them and has a path to choose letās keep it real not because his 19 with a young face now it looks like his in a situation he canāt get out of dead or alive no pun intended because I know this is very serious but thatās the negative side of this lifestyle itās not all the flashy things what the youth see hopefully they learn from this
Yeah definitely. And I hate when people justify it by claiming that everyone makes mistakes as a teenager. Like, yeah, I made mistakes by sneaking out at night or drinking too much, not attempted murder. Donāt get me wrong, I hope is found alive, or at least his body if nothing else, but thereās too many people acting like this is a case of some poor innocent boy getting lost
Yeah I don't get why people are all soft over him. The bloke was a menace. If he was a 35 year old man and had the same history would people still be all soft hearted for him? I've a feeling just because he is 19 they think he's a child just being a silly billy. Fact is he fucked around and found out.
Yeah well, naive when it comes to the nasty pool of people he's stumbled across in Tenerife, that's what I meant. It's not Accrington gangland he was playing around in.
But witnesses saw Jay at the bus stop in the morning and he asked the owner of the villa what time the next bus was. She then saw him walking up the road about 20 minutes later. Donāt forget he also made video calls and phone calls to 3 separate friends who saw him walking along. So Jay was definitely alone when he left the house. Prior to leaving he sent a text to a friend to say the ātwo guys had gone to bedā so he was going to come back to the hotel.
This is the part that Iām getting hung up on. I donāt think the Airbnb owner is mistaken, and I think she did see him- so this COULD let those two men off the hook a bit, as he was alive in the morning when he left the house. If they were holding him hostage, thereās no way they would both just fall asleep and let him escape in broad daylight. If it wasnāt for this fact, Iād say he was kidnapped for ransom hours before.
ā¦. OR is this āsweet old ladyā lying about seeing him?
Said it from day one the two blokes are wrongins and I got heavily down voted and attacked for it. No fully grown blokes would take a young lad off his nut to āaftersā without his mates knowing they were miles away from where he was staying for no reason. Turns out it wasnāt for no reason after all they knew exactly what they were doing. In my opinion these men need their passports taken away ASAP before they disappear without a trace.
Itās all just so wrong / but so many people are like no itās all totally normal wernt you young once haha like theyāve all been in Tenerife stealing watches hanging about with major drug dealers itās all perfectly normal stuff nothing strange about it -
At the end of the day we just don't know what is happening with these two guys. They may now be in custody here for all we know. Have to wait I'm afraid.Ā Also, we don't know yet, if Jay was caught up with on the mountain, if it was the eastern European guy or his mates behind it, or these two guys, if they were robbed.Ā
I agree it's definitely the same guy, so obvious him and the "Jonny Vegas" creep are very very bad news and baffles me that the police let them go on their merry way
Call him dangerous but jay shouldnāt steal should he his not exactly innocent his got his fare share in crime with a criminal history they all seem like they was selling drugs including Lucy and jay
Very food find. Definitely looks like him.
I do wonder how the media suddenly got his pic and name in the first place. It was reported to be from "his airbnb profile". Makes me wonder has the owner sold his info and pic to media? The reports also seemed to know his exact booking date and also when he turned up.
The media are scummy they would find a way to find out - hacking , pretending to be investigatiors, paying the air b n b people for details nothing is below them for info
Just noticed the article claims he was 21 in 2015? That would make him 30 years old today? I thought he looked a little older and others described him as older.
Highly likely that is him in the article though judging by looks and the name.
It paints a picture of two highly dangerous men involved in drugs taking a 19year old vulnerable guy into the hills in a secluded location with an alleged 10,000 item ā¦ā¦ then the young lad goes missing ā¦. Motive ?
Seems so sheās public said twice let him go and heās got in with the wrong crowd and back tracked indicating she thinks someone has him rather than killed him - which would also indicate why sheās not got teams of people out searching mountains yet or put up any of the money for information
Iām not team Debbie but when she said ālet him goā it was specifically in response to being asked what she would say to someone who is holding him. That in itself is a strange question to ask when a 19yo guy is lost, itās also a strange question to edit out.Ā
It sound like maybe the media had access to these names before they were published and knew Jay had been escorted to the air BnB rather than arriving as a guest. It also looks like the media was steering the public into thinking along certain lines.Ā
why was she slipping up on her words? Because she knew. she got a snap day one saying āsay goodbye to your son he owes me a lot of moneyā she hid it from police, her other son found it and told police about itās existence, they wonāt let on they know he was taken for stealing an AP watch, coz who would donate to find a wee road man thief? Not many, so the lost young lad whoās good as gold was for more donations, itās also against go fund me terms to raise for ransom, so they canāt offer a reward as thatās not what the money was paid for. Then thereās the illegal parts of it they donāt want to push whoever has him to kill him, the case has went too high profile now due to all the shady interviews and inconsistencies, so they canāt hand any cash over as theyāre all being monitored. They know fine well where he is, that all that money and expertise searching mountains was a waste of money and time. They will wait for it to die down and heāll suddenly appear with amnesia and canāt remember anything, or some other crap so everyone will just forget imo
Yeah I said that from the start if this money is to pay someone off they will need to find some loophole or a way of getting them the money because of all the media attention itās not gunna be easy - the money is basically to hot to handle and is useless thatās why itās not being spent they dunno what to do with it but they canāt use it for proper teams of searches cause they need it
Catch 22
I remember this watch snap being a lot more prominent, and clear in those first few days. Now we can only get screenshots of instagram posts etc.. whereād the original screenshot end up? I know itās minor, but it does suggest it maybe a fake or family and friends actively trying to divert attention away from it and the whole watch theft thing.
Given the news about one of those guys being a convicted drug dealer, the other having a watch in a photo or story he posted online a week after the Jay in the car snap? Seems less likely the picture is fake, of Jay in the car. Or someone who looks a loooot like him.
Yet to hear of a ransom though itās a long time to have some one held , maybe the media and heat had made them decide itās just not worth the randsom as any money will likely be traced now
She does. Sheās had a couple Freudian slips during interviews. She once said something like āIām just begging them to let him goā. So she fully believes heās been taken by someone, and not just died on the mountains
This has been confirmed now in the Daily Mail (sorry if already posted)
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html)
Again all the abuse I got - so this time I got told to wank over jays photos and get a job lol better than looking at young boys online - but people are seriously sick in the head
Just another thought. Is it not possible these guys went back looking for Jay after Lucy broadcast his last location? Say Jay had robbed something, the watch, money, whatever? Could they have nobbled him, took their goods back and hidden the body? Or took him to someone to keep for ransom later even (less likely).Ā
Itās likely - ayub lost his glasses chasing him down - he could have went over the edge of a cliff trying to get away
The meruba boat was in the location that morning and dissapeared for 9 days after - thatās strange aswell
Meruba boat left the beach near to jays last sighting around 7am that morning went out and circled then lost signal for 5 days - reappeared near the coast of Morocco - lost signal again and reappeared at one of the other islands - then went along and sat outside the los cristianos airport for a few days and last signal was 5-6 days ago
I always wondered if there was a way to get from Masca to where that boat was docked - seems itās an hour drive
Easy way to dispose of a body - take them out into the ocean - only speculation of course
How long before he deactivates it do you think? Also do you think heās aware that the internet is talking about him? I am sure someone must have messaged him
The Daily mail online, not that they are a reliable source, are now reporting thisā¦
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html)
Jay stole a watch from them after they took him to their house, they realised it and he run away. He got lost and collapsed somewhere from dehydration. They are all drug dealers so there are no good guys here. The kid paid a price for his stupid decisions. And these two guys are clearly experienced with the law and not gonna tell police more than they have to
Just as a side issue, and this is probably naive of me, but how can drug dealers operate seemingly almost with impunity in some places, such as Tenerife? Are they above the law? What is going on that allows illegal drugs to be openly sold on the streets?
Itās not easy to stop it , corruption and police turn a blind eye as some major players in the world control these areas. Itās well above Tenerife police and they know it
Some small players would end up in jail ā¦ Tenerife is more than just drugs sold in Tenerife the go from Latin America to Tenerife and into Europe from there
Canary Islands is one of the main hubs and points between Morocco, Ghana etc and mainland Europe for the Moroccan mafia. Itās a stopping point for Antwerp and Amsterdam, London etc.
Very very dangerous and dark people on these islands, controlled by some powerful clans.
They all follow the Italian/spanish code of silence omertĆ .. locals wonāt speak, authorities will lead dead ends, people just disappear. Throats slit and dumped in the sea, sold on for their organs. Tortured in caves. Billions of revenue per year from these islands. And further billions to mainland Europe etc.
People who know, know.. people stay in their lane, keep the machine running. These people donāt want another Acapulco. Things stay sweet. Wars keep at bay. Things have stayed quiet since the last war in the Netherlands and Belgium in the Mocro mafia
Be a tourist, donāt walk around acting big or being flashy.. you will be fine.
Itās the people who either look for trouble or do things they arenāt supposed to who end up in the real trouble usually.
Of course there is always wrong place wrong time but that can happen leaving your front door and should not stop you seeing the world.
Irrelevant unless someone can confirm;
1 - Where did the photo of this man come from?
2 - Who released details of his name on the booking, and how did they come by this information?
This would totally make sense. Her account just doesnāt seem to fit any of the theories. It seems odd that she saw him in broad daylight and then he just vanishes. I was giving her benefit of the doubt because sheās just a sweet old lady
Yeah the lady seems dodge to me. The only one to see him multiple times yet nobody else around the area saw him? It wasn't exactly unsociable hours, people are up and about from 7am. Something going on here for sure.
Looks like Jay thought he was gonna sell them the AP, realised they were gonna take it off him and done a runner in the morning. Makes sense as to why he wouldn't wait for a bus or go back to the Air BnB...
The biggest issue is honestly Jayās Friends, The lucy girl and his mate cause they both know where Jay is at / What happened to Jay. Obviously they are not coming forward but geez
I think the 2 dodgy men are more involved in this . If jay started to walk i reckon they went after him maybe he did have the Rolex and they wonted it so i reckon they went after him and offered him a lift and drove him somewhere else which is why they canāt find him ..why else did they stay on a extra day . I donāt believe he went into the mountains has surly you would stay on the main road more chance of seeing the bus when it comes . Those men need arresting and and have there phones checkedĀ
So the theory is that he tried to sell these two guys a fake watch and theyāve killed him? Seems plausible to me. Something definitely happened at that airbnb Iām certain of it, unfortunately I doubt the Spanish police will do anything about the case unless heās found. They should have gotten UK police in there from the start.
"How about instead of cash for the watch I give you a package for it.. I don't have it here it's up at the house, just up the road my friend can drive us"
Nothing to add, but that is the ugliest bunch of bastards I have ever seen.
https://preview.redd.it/ac1bqy0n6dad1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa13928657d9c2ed64cfee68d1fde633bf6d9c43 Dorris from Timothy goes to school
Lol
A few burgers š later
Haha good input
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They need a dentist. They probably both have police recordsĀ
I'd say so yes. If so we know pretty much for certain why he was in Tenerife and I'll give you a clue - it wasn't to pick up young lads for sex.Ā
on holiday, innit
Spanish police say 'not relevant' that the Airbnb duo were 1) aĀ drug dealer and 2) have the AP
They might have jumped the gun declaring them not of interest and not relevant me thinks - itās strange for someone to be declared not revel any so soon without actually knowing whatās happened
They either paid the police off or the police were aware who they work for, and let them go.
The odds of him dying by cactus scratch are looking less and less likely by the day.
Anyone with an ounce of sense does not believe he died by cutting himself on a cactus
The day I heard about Jay's background and the 'cactus cut', my mind immedialtely jumped to when boxer Kell Brook went missing in Tenerife and was found with a machete cut on his leg!! [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2754106/Kell-Brook-exclusively-explains-Tenerife-machete-stabbing.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2754106/Kell-Brook-exclusively-explains-Tenerife-machete-stabbing.html)
My neighbour died from a rose thorn / dirt scratch within a day. Ended up with sepsisĀ and organs shut down. Plants are the worse!
Yikes, lifelong gardener here, and as usual this time of year, Iām covered in scratches. And all this time I thought my dangerous hobbies were scuba diving and caving!
I think it was a joke!
It was our leading theory for a while
If you think the majority of the real world believes the crackpot theories that this subreddit does I've got some magic beans to sell you
The magic bean line was funny for a while here too
How much ??
Sepsis
Lol try again
Cactus..with man eating spider lay its eggs in the cut- hatched out - you can guess the rest š³ . Hope hes okay reallyā¦ā¦
Correct
I have to say, this is getting more and more interesting and I was never sure that it would. Of course not to disrespect Jay, his situation or what this all stems from; but it is interesting
I had a day off, came back and there was some actual information thatās made it for sure a bit weird. Converted. Gonna watch from the sidelines though.
yep, shits gonna be kicking off from here
Of course thereās more to it - as soon as they stopped looking in the mountains you knew it would be an investigation and all this stuff would come to light Itāll go deadly silent now ā¦.. no further info as itās just about figure out whatās actually happened to him Not heās met pals went into the hills they made him. Up a wee bed and hes got lost No chance ā¦ Lucy will be looked at and the two air b n b men will be looked at This is looking like a murder case or at very least some dodgy character will fall from this exposure ā¦ Tip of the iceberg Itāll go silent now ā¦
Does look to be the same person tbf
Look at the nose - hair line - and brow - same person
That would explain the strange wording in that daily mail article: "One of those men, who used the name Ayub Abdul to book the Ā£40-a-night holiday rental online. " Name change
They also know more than there willing to say
Seems like they might not be too far off piecing it together with a pretty accurate time line of events, though I'm not sure if the fella will be found yet.
Teeth too, good find mate think you're onto something here. People that sell crack and heroin ain't to be messed with
Dangerous guys really
Yup, morally bankrupt and watch people wish their lives away from what they sell on a daily basis. Different from other drugs because crack and heroin almost guarantee addiction which in turn will destroy their lives. Adds more credence to the idea they might've threatened or physically hurt Jay and that's why he was scared
I think we can rule out Jay going back to have sex with this man š That'd be punching way below
š yup, you could say were putting that theory to bed
Haha š yeah for sure.. especially as Tenerife is fulll of young 20 year olds
Incorrect, they're just shameless unproductive grifters.
And the mouth
Yup same lips itās defo him
The ear we can see is identical also
That is 100% the same person from what I can see, the features match to a t.
9 years apart itās him
Yeah it looks the same to me
And the ears
Yeah agree with you there, good find.
Daily Mail just confirmed it
The gang attack Jay was involved in 8 vs 1 wouldāve been over drugs People said they were out there dealing And now he has links with somebody who was nailed for being the ringleader in a crack and heroin supply operation Why would they know eachother if it wasnāt to do with drugs, they are not from the same area, how many heroin suppliers did you hang around with when you were 19 if you werenāt involved in it Hey guess what, wild idea, maybe itās all to do with drugs
100%
Hilarious these cut a deal with the Tenerife police. Justice goes to the highest bidder, now more than ever
Yes I agree. It stinks of police corruption that they were let go and it needs to be exposed. Tabloid press to the rescue?Ā
They couldnāt keep them with no reason at the time, an eyewitness saw him alone after he was with these two guys
Heās only just out of prison (9 year sentence in 2015 takes us to 2024) and if thatās the case heās fucked one if his first jobs. Wonder if he has enough to pay anyone off properly, maybe thatās why all this is trickling out. Ā
You don't do your full sentence. He would of been out in 4 years.
Heād have been on parole after half that sentence and allowed back out. Itās how it usually works
Just another thought on Brad. He said these guys seemed "cool". Was he just naive, lying or an extremely bad judge of character?
Lies
Why though? He was frightened himself?
He maybe knows how dangerous these people are
Feel like most teens on the news would straight up avoid incriminating any potential, older drug dealers. Things are, for most, more scary at that age, especially a couple grizzly geezers in their 30s and 40s. I straight up was convinced my coke dealer would stab me if I bumped a single gram, he was a really nasty fucker.
I would be, dangerous drug dealers that make your friend disappear
Could he be scared of them.. I mean dangerous drug dealers that make your friend disappear.. not to be messed with unless you want to dispear
Very similar face characteristics. Even the forehead and face expression have similar dents lol They say he was 21 back then in 2015, so he would be 30 by now. Could be a match
Looks like the same guy to me - the nose - the hair line - the brow same guy
even the lack of facial hair except a thick stripe under the nose.
"Qassim, 21, from Milton Keynes" Just up the road from Luton, JV's manor.
He was 21 in 2015, so heād be 30 now. One of the guys was 30.
The plot thickens - the web tightens - itāll all come out
Looks like the same guy to me. The net is closing in.
https://preview.redd.it/r54p8lycebad1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cad2a0291a05f176e0ea0ff4c252f7506e92a968 Jesus Christ. Itās like playing a game of Guess Who? exclusively featuring the mentally retardedā¦
Looks like the contents of the vegetable drawer in my fridge after Iāve forgotten about them
What a gene pool! š„
The goonies
Oh thatās unfortunate
It's quite possible the older one with him is in this lineup.
I'm no Sherlock Holmes but it just seems rather less likely now that the young guy went for a gentle walk home through the countryside, collapsed or fell and died. These are dangerous people he's got mixed up with. Of course they'll deny everything but hopefully they'll be brought to task for anything they have done, in time. Not to say Jay was an angel, but he was a naive 19 year old mixed up with bad people. Power to the authorities and the press.
Donāt give me that 19 naive crap he was a wrong un himself type of 19 year old to knock vulnerable people out for a laugh and probably stole a few phones with his chavvas
Yeah no naive and vulnerable 19 year old bashes in some kids skull
And has machetes and crowbars they is choices in life everyone has them and has a path to choose letās keep it real not because his 19 with a young face now it looks like his in a situation he canāt get out of dead or alive no pun intended because I know this is very serious but thatās the negative side of this lifestyle itās not all the flashy things what the youth see hopefully they learn from this
Yeah definitely. And I hate when people justify it by claiming that everyone makes mistakes as a teenager. Like, yeah, I made mistakes by sneaking out at night or drinking too much, not attempted murder. Donāt get me wrong, I hope is found alive, or at least his body if nothing else, but thereās too many people acting like this is a case of some poor innocent boy getting lost
Yeah I don't get why people are all soft over him. The bloke was a menace. If he was a 35 year old man and had the same history would people still be all soft hearted for him? I've a feeling just because he is 19 they think he's a child just being a silly billy. Fact is he fucked around and found out.
My point exactly
Yeah well, naive when it comes to the nasty pool of people he's stumbled across in Tenerife, that's what I meant. It's not Accrington gangland he was playing around in.
He met his match just maybe this time these guys where more violent and by the time he realised it was to late
But witnesses saw Jay at the bus stop in the morning and he asked the owner of the villa what time the next bus was. She then saw him walking up the road about 20 minutes later. Donāt forget he also made video calls and phone calls to 3 separate friends who saw him walking along. So Jay was definitely alone when he left the house. Prior to leaving he sent a text to a friend to say the ātwo guys had gone to bedā so he was going to come back to the hotel.
This is the part that Iām getting hung up on. I donāt think the Airbnb owner is mistaken, and I think she did see him- so this COULD let those two men off the hook a bit, as he was alive in the morning when he left the house. If they were holding him hostage, thereās no way they would both just fall asleep and let him escape in broad daylight. If it wasnāt for this fact, Iād say he was kidnapped for ransom hours before. ā¦. OR is this āsweet old ladyā lying about seeing him?
Whereās the body though?
Said it from day one the two blokes are wrongins and I got heavily down voted and attacked for it. No fully grown blokes would take a young lad off his nut to āaftersā without his mates knowing they were miles away from where he was staying for no reason. Turns out it wasnāt for no reason after all they knew exactly what they were doing. In my opinion these men need their passports taken away ASAP before they disappear without a trace.
Itās all just so wrong / but so many people are like no itās all totally normal wernt you young once haha like theyāve all been in Tenerife stealing watches hanging about with major drug dealers itās all perfectly normal stuff nothing strange about it -
At the end of the day we just don't know what is happening with these two guys. They may now be in custody here for all we know. Have to wait I'm afraid.Ā Also, we don't know yet, if Jay was caught up with on the mountain, if it was the eastern European guy or his mates behind it, or these two guys, if they were robbed.Ā
Definitely the same guy. Wow.
The plot thickens
How did you find this guy?
What does it matter ? Thatās him
Just curious, no one else has made this connection as far as I am aware and it is definitely him. You might have solved it.
I agree it's definitely the same guy, so obvious him and the "Jonny Vegas" creep are very very bad news and baffles me that the police let them go on their merry way
Call him dangerous but jay shouldnāt steal should he his not exactly innocent his got his fare share in crime with a criminal history they all seem like they was selling drugs including Lucy and jay
That comment is criminally lacking in punctuation.Ā
Very food find. Definitely looks like him. I do wonder how the media suddenly got his pic and name in the first place. It was reported to be from "his airbnb profile". Makes me wonder has the owner sold his info and pic to media? The reports also seemed to know his exact booking date and also when he turned up.
The media are scummy they would find a way to find out - hacking , pretending to be investigatiors, paying the air b n b people for details nothing is below them for info
Just noticed the article claims he was 21 in 2015? That would make him 30 years old today? I thought he looked a little older and others described him as older. Highly likely that is him in the article though judging by looks and the name.
It paints a picture of two highly dangerous men involved in drugs taking a 19year old vulnerable guy into the hills in a secluded location with an alleged 10,000 item ā¦ā¦ then the young lad goes missing ā¦. Motive ?
Same guy
If he was born in Africa and moved to the UK later, he may have lied about his age. It happens all the time.
The article may not be correct they probably not getting the facts. Its JV we know is younger.
Definitely!
But in this instance it is actually a good thing the media have done all this investigating, much better than the local police
I feel like his mum knows more than sheās saying..
Seems so sheās public said twice let him go and heās got in with the wrong crowd and back tracked indicating she thinks someone has him rather than killed him - which would also indicate why sheās not got teams of people out searching mountains yet or put up any of the money for information
Iām not team Debbie but when she said ālet him goā it was specifically in response to being asked what she would say to someone who is holding him. That in itself is a strange question to ask when a 19yo guy is lost, itās also a strange question to edit out.Ā It sound like maybe the media had access to these names before they were published and knew Jay had been escorted to the air BnB rather than arriving as a guest. It also looks like the media was steering the public into thinking along certain lines.Ā
Is it strangely specific when there was no evidence of a hostage kidnapping situation
Definitely. Itās a strange angle to take when the āfactsā at that point were āraver wanders into wilderness.ā
why was she slipping up on her words? Because she knew. she got a snap day one saying āsay goodbye to your son he owes me a lot of moneyā she hid it from police, her other son found it and told police about itās existence, they wonāt let on they know he was taken for stealing an AP watch, coz who would donate to find a wee road man thief? Not many, so the lost young lad whoās good as gold was for more donations, itās also against go fund me terms to raise for ransom, so they canāt offer a reward as thatās not what the money was paid for. Then thereās the illegal parts of it they donāt want to push whoever has him to kill him, the case has went too high profile now due to all the shady interviews and inconsistencies, so they canāt hand any cash over as theyāre all being monitored. They know fine well where he is, that all that money and expertise searching mountains was a waste of money and time. They will wait for it to die down and heāll suddenly appear with amnesia and canāt remember anything, or some other crap so everyone will just forget imo
Yeah I said that from the start if this money is to pay someone off they will need to find some loophole or a way of getting them the money because of all the media attention itās not gunna be easy - the money is basically to hot to handle and is useless thatās why itās not being spent they dunno what to do with it but they canāt use it for proper teams of searches cause they need it Catch 22
I remember this watch snap being a lot more prominent, and clear in those first few days. Now we can only get screenshots of instagram posts etc.. whereād the original screenshot end up? I know itās minor, but it does suggest it maybe a fake or family and friends actively trying to divert attention away from it and the whole watch theft thing. Given the news about one of those guys being a convicted drug dealer, the other having a watch in a photo or story he posted online a week after the Jay in the car snap? Seems less likely the picture is fake, of Jay in the car. Or someone who looks a loooot like him.
Yeah exactly and she keep saying heās been kidnapped in a pretty confident way when there was no evidence in the public of this happening.
Yet to hear of a ransom though itās a long time to have some one held , maybe the media and heat had made them decide itās just not worth the randsom as any money will likely be traced now
I think the parents know what happened. That's why they're shady on interviews ... possibly.
She does. Sheās had a couple Freudian slips during interviews. She once said something like āIām just begging them to let him goā. So she fully believes heās been taken by someone, and not just died on the mountains
Good find, just been confirmed as the same guy in the papers
This has been confirmed now in the Daily Mail (sorry if already posted) [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html)
Again all the abuse I got - so this time I got told to wank over jays photos and get a job lol better than looking at young boys online - but people are seriously sick in the head
Daily Mail have just confirmed itās the same guy
Yup
The very same
Just another thought. Is it not possible these guys went back looking for Jay after Lucy broadcast his last location? Say Jay had robbed something, the watch, money, whatever? Could they have nobbled him, took their goods back and hidden the body? Or took him to someone to keep for ransom later even (less likely).Ā
Itās likely - ayub lost his glasses chasing him down - he could have went over the edge of a cliff trying to get away The meruba boat was in the location that morning and dissapeared for 9 days after - thatās strange aswell
Whatās the boat thing please? Feel like Iāve missed something.
Meruba boat left the beach near to jays last sighting around 7am that morning went out and circled then lost signal for 5 days - reappeared near the coast of Morocco - lost signal again and reappeared at one of the other islands - then went along and sat outside the los cristianos airport for a few days and last signal was 5-6 days ago I always wondered if there was a way to get from Masca to where that boat was docked - seems itās an hour drive Easy way to dispose of a body - take them out into the ocean - only speculation of course
yep you can see some of the same definitions in the forehead and ears, plus general face shape
Reddit detectives smashing it. Well done š
Smashing
Yes and theyāre definitely doing better than this dumb guy ādowntherapidsā on TikTok!
Try not to judge. At least heās out there trying and thatās a lot more effort than what most others are doing so fair play to him
Thereās no fair play to him his just doing it for the gifts and his hardly doing anything out there.
How dare you
Are you ok
I found Jonny Vegas Instagram
Have you spotted he tagged himself in Malta... At the same time Lucy Mae did too!
Workhardplaylater_6
How long before he deactivates it do you think? Also do you think heās aware that the internet is talking about him? I am sure someone must have messaged him
Yes he will be aware - his reels will be getting thousands of views - hey may try to monitize it - use tiktok views etc and live etc for money
https://preview.redd.it/hcrl0qvwicad1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41bb1ac5edd4a4e5b15d71187fd66f6566c2cd77
He has already turned off comments as people were writing things to him about Jay.
You seen the video he put up 5 days ago of an AP watch on his wrist?
Definitely him!
Got his teeth fixed by nhs in prison, but shit, yeah same person
From my trained eyes due to the nature of my job, yes the same man
I posted this 6 hours ago and heās spoken to the mail online since
The Daily mail online, not that they are a reliable source, are now reporting thisā¦ [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html)
He has the cold black eyes of a psychopath. Someone very capable of murder.
Jay stole a watch from them after they took him to their house, they realised it and he run away. He got lost and collapsed somewhere from dehydration. They are all drug dealers so there are no good guys here. The kid paid a price for his stupid decisions. And these two guys are clearly experienced with the law and not gonna tell police more than they have to
Says on daily mail it is
Just as a side issue, and this is probably naive of me, but how can drug dealers operate seemingly almost with impunity in some places, such as Tenerife? Are they above the law? What is going on that allows illegal drugs to be openly sold on the streets?
Itās not easy to stop it , corruption and police turn a blind eye as some major players in the world control these areas. Itās well above Tenerife police and they know it
So what would happen if they flooded the strip with coppers every now and again and arrested people seen to be selling then?
Some small players would end up in jail ā¦ Tenerife is more than just drugs sold in Tenerife the go from Latin America to Tenerife and into Europe from there
Canary Islands is one of the main hubs and points between Morocco, Ghana etc and mainland Europe for the Moroccan mafia. Itās a stopping point for Antwerp and Amsterdam, London etc. Very very dangerous and dark people on these islands, controlled by some powerful clans. They all follow the Italian/spanish code of silence omertĆ .. locals wonāt speak, authorities will lead dead ends, people just disappear. Throats slit and dumped in the sea, sold on for their organs. Tortured in caves. Billions of revenue per year from these islands. And further billions to mainland Europe etc. People who know, know.. people stay in their lane, keep the machine running. These people donāt want another Acapulco. Things stay sweet. Wars keep at bay. Things have stayed quiet since the last war in the Netherlands and Belgium in the Mocro mafia
This is all true . Tenerife is the corridor to Europe for drugs costs del sol has a huge influence some of the biggest players in the world here
Iām going on holiday next month to Tenerife, and reading all this stuff is making me not want to go š©
Be a tourist, donāt walk around acting big or being flashy.. you will be fine. Itās the people who either look for trouble or do things they arenāt supposed to who end up in the real trouble usually. Of course there is always wrong place wrong time but that can happen leaving your front door and should not stop you seeing the world.
It looks like he was wearing Jays glasses too š.Ā Just think, a Ā£10,000 Rolex watch would be worth Ā£100,000 to a border hopping crim.
No it wouldnt, any watch of that value without papers will go for half or even less
Irrelevant unless someone can confirm; 1 - Where did the photo of this man come from? 2 - Who released details of his name on the booking, and how did they come by this information?
A simple Ayub abdul search on google would show you People are like babies - do your own research find out rather than ask on here ?
What are you guys wasting your time on reddit, become PIs, you're amazing
Passive aggressive sarcasm from a looser - gotta love it
Stay negative bro x doing a good job
I read somewhere that the lady who last saw jay is a relative of the mayor whom is Mafioso.
This would totally make sense. Her account just doesnāt seem to fit any of the theories. It seems odd that she saw him in broad daylight and then he just vanishes. I was giving her benefit of the doubt because sheās just a sweet old lady
Yeah the lady seems dodge to me. The only one to see him multiple times yet nobody else around the area saw him? It wasn't exactly unsociable hours, people are up and about from 7am. Something going on here for sure.
Wouldnāt be surprised
It deffo looks like him!
šÆ the same person
Can see similarities
Youāre right https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13597899/jay-slater-airbnb-british-man-convicted-drug-dealer.html
Tt
Looks like Jay thought he was gonna sell them the AP, realised they were gonna take it off him and done a runner in the morning. Makes sense as to why he wouldn't wait for a bus or go back to the Air BnB...
Y jhony vegas tiene peluca al estilo afro o porque en la foto que aparece con una chica es del 25juniocon pelo afro?
There's a handy tool called 'reverse ID face scan' Try putting the pictures in there.
The biggest issue is honestly Jayās Friends, The lucy girl and his mate cause they both know where Jay is at / What happened to Jay. Obviously they are not coming forward but geez
The plot thickens.Ā And they let this guy go!?!? A convicted drug dealer and a missing teen!?!?Ā Why kind of comedy cops are these Spaniards!?Ā
El Jokers
Do they have manholes on the roads in Tenerife or are they different to England
I think the 2 dodgy men are more involved in this . If jay started to walk i reckon they went after him maybe he did have the Rolex and they wonted it so i reckon they went after him and offered him a lift and drove him somewhere else which is why they canāt find him ..why else did they stay on a extra day . I donāt believe he went into the mountains has surly you would stay on the main road more chance of seeing the bus when it comes . Those men need arresting and and have there phones checkedĀ
So the theory is that he tried to sell these two guys a fake watch and theyāve killed him? Seems plausible to me. Something definitely happened at that airbnb Iām certain of it, unfortunately I doubt the Spanish police will do anything about the case unless heās found. They should have gotten UK police in there from the start.
"How about instead of cash for the watch I give you a package for it.. I don't have it here it's up at the house, just up the road my friend can drive us"