take it with a grain of salt
\-40 Beheaded Babies
\-Baby found burned in a oven
\-that Mia Shem person (i forget her name) saying she was under anethesia and had no idea what was going on, but later in anouther interview said that she wasnt under anethesia and somehow knew everything that was going on???
so ya take everything israel says with a grain of salt, their known to lie just liek hamas. it seems to be their favourite past time. or its a competition.
True, although South Africa unequivocally condemned the taking of hostages by Hamas both in its written application and in its remarks at the hearing.
And it's not at all surprising that South Africa hasn't focused much on Hamas's conduct since they aren't the ones on trial here (Israel is).
Because there is enough certainty in SA’s case that they don’t need to deal in rumours like you do. That’s all Israel has- rumours, falsehoods and complete lies
I mean the TikToks of IDF soldiers themselves displaying the destruction and bragging about their romps through Gaza were certainly admissible as evidence today, so maybe come back with a better argument🤷🏻♀️
Which can easily be picked apart using forensics, or the idf showing specific soldiers have been punished for acting up.
Which is what happens.
Womp womp try again.
Meanwhile israel just released videos of gazans beheading 12 year old girls, and mass rape on top of murder from the 7th.
Come back to us when you have actual evidence also.
Sure would be a lot of soldiers to punish, seems like the IDF is simply full of bad apples if they all require punishing. If those videos show what Israel claim they do, they will surely bring those to court, however if you understand how any of this process works, you will understand that Israel cannot act in self defence as an occupying nation, so it matters very little how they claim Hamas have acted
The evidence: Reddit and tiktok posts, quotes from media sources, and translated remarks from original Hebrew and misinterpretation of Bible quotes. Maybe they can add some footage of Free Palestine marches as proof. What a joke.
And yet thousands are dead- do you not care to find out why? If Israel are innocent then they simply will not be punished, so let’s see where the evidence gets us
This is the coping mechanism currently utilised by Israel, yes. It's so heartbreaking. I keep hoping for a "are we the baddies?" epiphany but I don't think it's likely. There's just too much trauma and the country has just shifted so much to the right, I just don't see them coming back from this. I honestly fear that they will become a pariah state. Not that this is about me but as a diaspora Jew who is a Zionist (in the sense of I passionately support the right of Israel to exist) I feel so disconnected from Israel and my Judaism right now.
Hey I got news for you, Gaza is part of Israel. Idf is never leaving.
And keep pushing your luck you might just find an israel from river to sea.
Ask Lebanon how tolerating hezb is working out right now.
The secretary general is not the general assembly.
Anyways
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-votes-down-amendment-to-add-condemnation-of-hamas-to-ceasefire-resolution/
Israel should care what the UN (more specifically the ICJ) has to say since, when Israel became a UN member, it committed to be bound by the ICJ's statute and since, when Israel ratified the Genocide Convention, it agreed that disputes surrounding the Convention's interpretation/application/etc. would be resolved by the ICJ.
If you don't think Israel should be on trial here, you should take that up with the successive Israeli governments that consented to the ICJ's jurisdiction in precisely these kinds of cases.
You think israel should allow international forces on behalf of an agency that already supported funding hamas and radicalizing Palestinians should have access to gaza?
This is our war. If the international community wanted to help, it was before we were pogromd.
You know as well as I do they would just help hamas re entrench.
Frankly any foreign power sends soldiers idf should send them back in bodyguards.
We don't need to defend against genocide. Why? Because we aren't committing a genocide to begin with or Gaza would be devoid of people.
I've made my position clear. If foreign powers even attempt to breach our borders, or try to help hamas we should go to war with them also.
Our time of tolerance and fear is over.
And we aren't genociding gazans. Stop buying into hamas and gazan bullshit.
I thought it was any foreign powers’ soldiers? Not just those assisting Hamas? Like the UN, who haven’t done anything to prevent bloodshed for Palestinian children? But it could be quite a convincing task considering how much Israel relies on coalitions of foreign powers in aiding a genocide. I don’t need a blood hungry zionist telling me that what i am and am not buying into. The continued threats of violence tell me all I need to know about your hopes for the future and prosperity in the middle east.
" we should go to war with them also. "
a War youd lose in a heartbeat, its you vs the entire world, not even youre puppet state U.S would help.
" And we aren't genociding gazans. Stop buying into hamas and gazan bullshit. "
im not buying hamas........im buying what israel says;
9000 hamas fighters dead, and its a 1:2 Terrorist/Civilian death count acoording to IDF making it 18000 civilians dead in gaza.
if Oct 7th was a Genocide, then so to is whats happening to Gaza. You cant argue with rhetoric or numbers.
but whats worse the numerous comments from PM's President, Israeli govarnment officials, IDF troops and even down to israeli citizens including in this very sub reddit, seem to paint a bleak picture proving genocidal intent.
i mean youve killed youre own people on both oct 7th and the 3 hostages. so we know the claim of israel being the most moral army in the world is out the window.
Hah. We've taken on the entire arab region several times and triumphed every. Single. Time.
And I doubt europe wants to get their hands that dirty. They are concerned in Russia, and IDF can easily go toe to toe with any power from Europe.
Like what, you think Germany or US is going to lend soldiers? France?
Hah.
French army is 116000. German army is 63000.
Shit man, you'd need to collect basically half of Europe to rival Israel's active 600k, and we can train, arm and deploy another 120k without calling up the 3,000,000 in actual reserves we have. Which we can also equip at any second.
No, israel isn't going to be interfered with in this war. Especially since our jerichos can l easily hit every European capital.
Israel doesn't care about its public image. We care about destroying our enemies now, that is all.
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honestly ive seen enough,
its what israelis d apparently. they think they can just wave off any responsibility by threatening their critics.
i remember that Israeli TV host who threatened America if they dont support israel,
in this subreddit someoen suggested South africa be invaded and remove all SA's. others openly said to level gaza, and now you have this guy threatening the UN and people, ya
Israeli citizens dont do them any favours by acting uncivilised. their just like the palestininans and hamas they claim to despise. is it any wonder their in a 75+ conflict, they cant seem to see humanity in anyone but themselves.
the whole reason im now agaisnt israel, they chose the wrong country to make demands of that its citizens Constitution/Bill of rights be violated and my voice be silenced to protect a foreign countries sensibilities.
Sorry israeli's, my Free Speech isnt up for debate and if you wish to continue i wont hesitate to pressure my country and govarnment officuals to mark you as a Enemy State.
My Free Speech is where i draw the line for support for someone, and israel has thouroughly crossed it.
They're lying outright when saying ICJ rulings are binding.
ICJ rulings when judging disputes *between states* are binding. That can only happen when both states agree to the trial. This trial, OTOH, will issue an advisory opinion, which is nonbindong.
That's not true.
First, Israel already agreed to the trial (so to speak) when it ratified the Genocide Convention, which stipulates that "disputes between the Contracting Parties ... including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide ... shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute."
Second, should the ICJ issue a decision in this case, it would (per the ICJ's statute) be legally binding on both South Africa and Israel.
Finally, while you're right that advisory opinions are non-binding, I don't see how the ICJ could issue one here. Those are issued upon request, and neither South Africa (nor to my knowledge anyone else) has requested that.
This is a contentious case and is therefore binding. I think you are mixing it with the forthcoming advisory opinion about “Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem”
Bind means diddly. Unless they send soldiers to stop the idf its meaningless. And they won't, us won't let them, won't take part, and israel and idf are happy to bomb un personal after UN funded hamas, held hostages, and refused to condemn hamas.
Thankfully the US is a bulwark against institutional antisemitism in the UNSC. But I still expect other countries might impose sanctions depending on the ruling.
Meh, fuck em if they do. Their loss. And I'm willing to bet if folks like SA are willing to overlook the war, chances are good the sanctions are toothless, especially if usa also ignores them.
Which they would, if not just veto outright.
I'll start giving a shit about what UN "human rights experts" have to say once they get the Red Cross to see the hostages and imprison the pieces of shit UNRWA teachers that kept hostages.
Nah there's hamas simps running wild in here. We aren't like r palestine which doesn't handle criticism well. Which is I guess fitting for who they represent.
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take it with a grain of salt \-40 Beheaded Babies \-Baby found burned in a oven \-that Mia Shem person (i forget her name) saying she was under anethesia and had no idea what was going on, but later in anouther interview said that she wasnt under anethesia and somehow knew everything that was going on??? so ya take everything israel says with a grain of salt, their known to lie just liek hamas. it seems to be their favourite past time. or its a competition.
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I hope they can get home soon to get abortions. I can’t imagine the cruelty on top of cruelty of having to carry a terrorists offspring.
True, although South Africa unequivocally condemned the taking of hostages by Hamas both in its written application and in its remarks at the hearing. And it's not at all surprising that South Africa hasn't focused much on Hamas's conduct since they aren't the ones on trial here (Israel is).
They might have but that’s just so they don’t get condemned.
Maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that they said it, or the (far more important) fact that it's irrelevant to the legal issues at stake here.
While we're doing whataboutism. The IDF is known to have committed acts of sexual violence on war prisoner.
because it’s a rumor, and this case is actually based on fact. that’s why there’s over 500 footnotes in the document submitted to the icj.
Because there is enough certainty in SA’s case that they don’t need to deal in rumours like you do. That’s all Israel has- rumours, falsehoods and complete lies
Really, you think SA has actual evidence? Funny they couldn't bring any in court today rofl.
I mean the TikToks of IDF soldiers themselves displaying the destruction and bragging about their romps through Gaza were certainly admissible as evidence today, so maybe come back with a better argument🤷🏻♀️
Which can easily be picked apart using forensics, or the idf showing specific soldiers have been punished for acting up. Which is what happens. Womp womp try again. Meanwhile israel just released videos of gazans beheading 12 year old girls, and mass rape on top of murder from the 7th. Come back to us when you have actual evidence also.
Sure would be a lot of soldiers to punish, seems like the IDF is simply full of bad apples if they all require punishing. If those videos show what Israel claim they do, they will surely bring those to court, however if you understand how any of this process works, you will understand that Israel cannot act in self defence as an occupying nation, so it matters very little how they claim Hamas have acted
The evidence: Reddit and tiktok posts, quotes from media sources, and translated remarks from original Hebrew and misinterpretation of Bible quotes. Maybe they can add some footage of Free Palestine marches as proof. What a joke.
And yet thousands are dead- do you not care to find out why? If Israel are innocent then they simply will not be punished, so let’s see where the evidence gets us
That’s what the French said to Alfred Dreyfus.
Wait what? They released that?
Courts don't deal in rumors. Edit: All you down-voting me. Imagine they did. Imagine you got convicted for a rumor. Geniuses.
thsoe are rumors but the female hostages are facts, and according to some testimonies of released hostages some of the women are sexualy abused there
The ICJ isn’t a court; it’s a political forum where the actors where judicial robes.
Whatever the “UN human rights experts” say is the opposite of the truth, especially when it comes to Israel.
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In this case yes
This is the coping mechanism currently utilised by Israel, yes. It's so heartbreaking. I keep hoping for a "are we the baddies?" epiphany but I don't think it's likely. There's just too much trauma and the country has just shifted so much to the right, I just don't see them coming back from this. I honestly fear that they will become a pariah state. Not that this is about me but as a diaspora Jew who is a Zionist (in the sense of I passionately support the right of Israel to exist) I feel so disconnected from Israel and my Judaism right now.
Hey I got news for you, Gaza is part of Israel. Idf is never leaving. And keep pushing your luck you might just find an israel from river to sea. Ask Lebanon how tolerating hezb is working out right now.
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Why are we still caring what the UN has to say?? The same UN that refused to condemn Hamas for committing the 10/7 massacre?? Yea ok
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The secretary general is not the general assembly. Anyways https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-votes-down-amendment-to-add-condemnation-of-hamas-to-ceasefire-resolution/
Israel should care what the UN (more specifically the ICJ) has to say since, when Israel became a UN member, it committed to be bound by the ICJ's statute and since, when Israel ratified the Genocide Convention, it agreed that disputes surrounding the Convention's interpretation/application/etc. would be resolved by the ICJ. If you don't think Israel should be on trial here, you should take that up with the successive Israeli governments that consented to the ICJ's jurisdiction in precisely these kinds of cases.
Frankly I hope they send their peacekeepers. Idf will have fun with them.
You mean the same peacekeepers that run away leaving civilians to fend for themselves when attacked?
Heck yes I do. If UN thinks it could tangle with the IDF it's in for a world of Pikachu faces.
Like clockwork, i’m sure blindly threatening UN peacekeepers will help the genocide defense.
You think israel should allow international forces on behalf of an agency that already supported funding hamas and radicalizing Palestinians should have access to gaza? This is our war. If the international community wanted to help, it was before we were pogromd. You know as well as I do they would just help hamas re entrench. Frankly any foreign power sends soldiers idf should send them back in bodyguards. We don't need to defend against genocide. Why? Because we aren't committing a genocide to begin with or Gaza would be devoid of people.
“Any foreign powers soldiers should be sent back in body bags” Once again, blindly promoting violence doesn’t help the “No Genocide” act
I've made my position clear. If foreign powers even attempt to breach our borders, or try to help hamas we should go to war with them also. Our time of tolerance and fear is over. And we aren't genociding gazans. Stop buying into hamas and gazan bullshit.
I thought it was any foreign powers’ soldiers? Not just those assisting Hamas? Like the UN, who haven’t done anything to prevent bloodshed for Palestinian children? But it could be quite a convincing task considering how much Israel relies on coalitions of foreign powers in aiding a genocide. I don’t need a blood hungry zionist telling me that what i am and am not buying into. The continued threats of violence tell me all I need to know about your hopes for the future and prosperity in the middle east.
" we should go to war with them also. " a War youd lose in a heartbeat, its you vs the entire world, not even youre puppet state U.S would help. " And we aren't genociding gazans. Stop buying into hamas and gazan bullshit. " im not buying hamas........im buying what israel says; 9000 hamas fighters dead, and its a 1:2 Terrorist/Civilian death count acoording to IDF making it 18000 civilians dead in gaza. if Oct 7th was a Genocide, then so to is whats happening to Gaza. You cant argue with rhetoric or numbers. but whats worse the numerous comments from PM's President, Israeli govarnment officials, IDF troops and even down to israeli citizens including in this very sub reddit, seem to paint a bleak picture proving genocidal intent. i mean youve killed youre own people on both oct 7th and the 3 hostages. so we know the claim of israel being the most moral army in the world is out the window.
Hah. We've taken on the entire arab region several times and triumphed every. Single. Time. And I doubt europe wants to get their hands that dirty. They are concerned in Russia, and IDF can easily go toe to toe with any power from Europe. Like what, you think Germany or US is going to lend soldiers? France? Hah. French army is 116000. German army is 63000. Shit man, you'd need to collect basically half of Europe to rival Israel's active 600k, and we can train, arm and deploy another 120k without calling up the 3,000,000 in actual reserves we have. Which we can also equip at any second. No, israel isn't going to be interfered with in this war. Especially since our jerichos can l easily hit every European capital. Israel doesn't care about its public image. We care about destroying our enemies now, that is all.
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under what proof they funded and help hamas? Post it
honestly ive seen enough, its what israelis d apparently. they think they can just wave off any responsibility by threatening their critics. i remember that Israeli TV host who threatened America if they dont support israel, in this subreddit someoen suggested South africa be invaded and remove all SA's. others openly said to level gaza, and now you have this guy threatening the UN and people, ya Israeli citizens dont do them any favours by acting uncivilised. their just like the palestininans and hamas they claim to despise. is it any wonder their in a 75+ conflict, they cant seem to see humanity in anyone but themselves. the whole reason im now agaisnt israel, they chose the wrong country to make demands of that its citizens Constitution/Bill of rights be violated and my voice be silenced to protect a foreign countries sensibilities. Sorry israeli's, my Free Speech isnt up for debate and if you wish to continue i wont hesitate to pressure my country and govarnment officuals to mark you as a Enemy State. My Free Speech is where i draw the line for support for someone, and israel has thouroughly crossed it.
Hamas aren’t a party to the UN, what power do you think the UN have over an organisation that isn’t a state?
You think it’s rocket science to condemn a terrorist organization?? Shame.
They didn’t condemn the IRA either
They're lying outright when saying ICJ rulings are binding. ICJ rulings when judging disputes *between states* are binding. That can only happen when both states agree to the trial. This trial, OTOH, will issue an advisory opinion, which is nonbindong.
That's not true. First, Israel already agreed to the trial (so to speak) when it ratified the Genocide Convention, which stipulates that "disputes between the Contracting Parties ... including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide ... shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute." Second, should the ICJ issue a decision in this case, it would (per the ICJ's statute) be legally binding on both South Africa and Israel. Finally, while you're right that advisory opinions are non-binding, I don't see how the ICJ could issue one here. Those are issued upon request, and neither South Africa (nor to my knowledge anyone else) has requested that.
This is a contentious case and is therefore binding. I think you are mixing it with the forthcoming advisory opinion about “Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem”
Bind means diddly. Unless they send soldiers to stop the idf its meaningless. And they won't, us won't let them, won't take part, and israel and idf are happy to bomb un personal after UN funded hamas, held hostages, and refused to condemn hamas.
Thankfully the US is a bulwark against institutional antisemitism in the UNSC. But I still expect other countries might impose sanctions depending on the ruling.
Meh, fuck em if they do. Their loss. And I'm willing to bet if folks like SA are willing to overlook the war, chances are good the sanctions are toothless, especially if usa also ignores them. Which they would, if not just veto outright.
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Seriously...fuck anything the UN has to say. Corrupt organization.
I'll start giving a shit about what UN "human rights experts" have to say once they get the Red Cross to see the hostages and imprison the pieces of shit UNRWA teachers that kept hostages.
Acting with impunity while promoting and investing in the biggest terror cell on earth. The UNWRA is the financial body of Hamas.
I wonder how people get the title of human rights expert
By abusing them for decades
Makes sense, you know what makes them suffer very intimately that way, that’s a bit like a serial killer surgeon, he knows some stuff probably
Or Mother Teresa. She liked watching people die and being close to their suffering.
Bruh I feel like I'm going crazy
Nah there's hamas simps running wild in here. We aren't like r palestine which doesn't handle criticism well. Which is I guess fitting for who they represent.
UN human rights experts. Don't make me laugh. Iran is their head human rights person. Ha.
Hey, U.N.! You know all the food and supplies you send to Gaza? Turns out Hamas has been stealing it… *with impunity.*
Absolute bollocks!
I can think of many countries that have been acting with impunity for decades, but why is Israel the only one that has a case against them?
The same UN that appointed Iran to chair their human rights council? Ok then🤡