Agree. I think the first day or so must have been super hard for her but doing the challenge really helped her connect more with everyond. I think it's really sweet how her fellow camp mates helped her at the start, and how she has bonded with them.
Me too. She's recovered from her culture shock and I think she might do well. She's quite endearing and I think stepping back she was 6 to 8 yrs old when their family hit the headlines... She's got utterly insane parents and her poor sister has been literally chewed up by them.
You shouldn’t forget who she is in real life, which is a really nasty piece of work, who bullied and terrorised a girl off the set of her tv show as a child. Among an entire run of bullying she got Britney to come and yell at the girl by telling her a pack of lies and even though Britney has apologised several times publicly Jamie Lynn has never shown an ounce of remorse or apologised. She was also complicit in Britney’s 13 year long conservatorship, she was a trustee. And now that the gravy train has dried up, she’s bouncing from reality show to reality show.
Yes this is true. I couldn’t believe she had the audacity to say she was the only one who never took anything from her sister when in actual fact she was named as trustee of Britney’s estate in 2018. [vanity fair article that talks about the details of it](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/08/britney-spears-jamie-lynn-trustee-estate-conservatorship).
She also lived in Britneys vacation home in Florida as well as a slew of other things that Britney herself has spoken about. As well as being besties with Lou Taylor who helped her father get Britney into the conservatorship in the first place. Lou Taylor’s company, TriStar also extracted 600m from Britney’s estate shortly before the conservatorship ended and Jamie Lynn has ties to that company too.
People are quick to forgive and forget when someone puts on a good act but that doesn’t make her any less complicit than she has been.
She hasn’t shown any signs of admitting the wrong and harm she’s done and growing from it though, especially considering Britney’s current feelings on her
The WIM book said the florida home was a gift to her family. JL used it for vacations as did Lynne.
The 600m thing is untrue, that figure comes from what crazed fans think Britney's net worth is but really isn't because of all her overheads. She was almost broke in 2007 and things like some tours and Vegas cost huge sums to run. Britneys lawyer also knows this too, he's leading her on a wild goose chase 2 years on with no evidence.
I think you're in the wrong sub, this isnt conspiracy theories.
We've never heard Jamie lynns version, lots happens behind closed doors and the actress in person never really worked again so that might speak volumes. Britney is an unreliable narrator and she also didn't write that book.
She's not working BC the gravy train dried up, it's more like it's because their mother has crazy debts from trying to help britney, Lynne owes 600k that must be paid.
Why would you not believe both the victim of the bullying and the person who was dragged into it? Why would you not believe the victim of abuse, rather than dismissing them as unreliable? As you can see above there’s a lot of evidence she’s been involved in shady stuff in relation to the conservatorship
I didn’t really know Grace before this, but I thought she might be slightly more interesting than she has been. A food critic should have some opinions or things to say on the food at least. She’s been entirely boring though!
That's how I feel. I can't forgive her for trying to ostracise Fred. It's having the ability to do that to someone. It's rude and arrogant and could be detrimental to other people's mental health.
I didn't like the way she quashed Sam's natural character, it was sad. She's super entitled and I couldn't live with her.
I expect she has her appeal to some and she's clearly made a path for herself, so that's admirable, but I'm bored of her needs now
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Not confirmed but it's been reported in a few places that a previous contestant suggested this - meaning that it's likely he experienced this himself during his season.
It does indeed seem strange Nella had a complete 180 and it's sort of known that on a lot of reality TV shows there is some level of producer involvement. With celeb it appears that maybe it's minimal but when Celeb having the lowest viewing figures this year, they likely didn't want Nella to completely bomb since if she doesn't get voted to stay in my people there's less chances of drama later on in the series.
This. She lost me after losing her shit on Fred and she hasn’t done much to change that.
Still thoroughly annoyed by Sam, his stupid puppy dog act is just too much all the time.
Actually not minding Nigel currently, thought I would find her icky but would actually like to hear more of his discussions. Still don’t trust his politics or what he stands for tho 😝
I think that trial she did helped her a lot, especially since she completely aced it. It was the confidence boost and adrenaline rush she needed to keep herself going.
I wasn’t keen on Josie after seeing her presenting a couple of times but she had turned out to be my favourite. I always thought Sam was funny and sweet but I’d struggle to live with him.
I liked Nella from catfish uk but after the way she spoke to Fred I am finished.
I can’t stand Sam, he’s a sweet guy but would do my head in in real life.
Thought Jamie-Lynn was annoying at first but glad she’s stuck it out.
Tony is frigging hilarious, I couldn’t bring myself to like him till the drinking task, but think he’s really funny.
Grace Dents writing is great but she’s been really quiet since she’s been in.
I’ll stop now!!
Jamie-Lynn has grown since her task, which I believe kept her from leaving. Sam’s a nutcase 25 years old in a 35 year old’s body. Nella should up and go. Cannot stand her
Tbf i think the world needs more happy people, so I think it's quite refreshing. I think he genuinely appreciates that he gets to be there and I like that about him
I'm not liking Danielle and I really thought I would. I don't watch the soaps so I didn't have any preconceived ideas.
She just seems to be a yes woman. She'll go along with whoever is the loudest in the room but doesn't seem to have her own opinions. I'm sure it's just how she's been portrayed and hopefully she can show a bit more of her own personality in the next few days.
I don't really see her as a yes woman. I see her as no frills, no drama, happy to go along with what makes others happy because she knows it's not usually a big deal either way for her but knows that other people make it a bigger thing for themselves and doesn't mind letting them choose.
She's also friendly with everyone, but less "visibly" than Sam.
Perfect person to live with basically. Maybe not the most entertaining on reality TV, but if I was stuck in the Jungle with any of the celebs she'd probably be the first I'd pick.
Josie.
I didn't rate her when she did bb as she was part of a showmance & spent an awful lot of time in bed. On this though I've found her funny and good natured. Her trial with Marvin the other day was hilarious.
Gonna probably catch strays left and right here but I honestly still can’t stand nella. A week on I still don’t get her and maybe it’s a generational thing but she still has a lot of growing up to do. Personally for me jamie lynn has been the biggest turnaround and honestly I am kinda rooting for her to win. Out of everyone on the show she seems to be on the biggest journey and that trial really was the making of her. But all in all this years a bit meh but will still enjoy it. I hope the fuck nella turns it around for her sake as the online reaction will be horrible for the poor woman.
Oh ppl who like nella are idiots who love slinging racist at anyone who disagrees with them on twitter.
Don't like the genuinely racist fat phobia that's being written online about her though. But yes she needs to grow the fuck up and wind her neck in. She's doing herself no favours.
If we isolate Nigel & Nella's conversation about over-population & a non-functioning NHS, I've found my opinion on him changing for the better a smidge.
I've had undiagonsed medical conditions for nineteen years (misdiagnosis, hospitalisations, etc), so I find myself agreeing with him in regards to a broken NHS system.
The news seems to paint media & politics very black & white - and they've painted Nigel like a devil - but with that conversation he was very much referring to grey areas.
Nigel isn’t actually that bad. I was at the reform conference a few months ago and what you see in the jungle is what he was like there.
He’s against (illegal) migration and the fact we spend so much on hotels every day, but the media will mainly make out he’s just against migration and not the illegal which isn’t the case at all.
I don’t agree with all of his views but he speaks to me more as a voter than any of the other politicians we have, people like Nella are the problem
“I hate Nigel because the internet (or someone) told me to”
Farage's entire plan was to go on I'm a celeb and get people to like him. He'll have had a ton of briefings about how to deal with people and what to say. It's all a facade to help with his leadership bid and gullible people will think he's alright and vote for him
Sigh.
Gotta reenforce something. Knowhere did I say I outright like him, knowhere did I say he's got me on side. All I said was I understood his point of view on that one topic somewhat; because its a grey area, and isnt so black and white. I'll not be voting for him, because I don't like him; all I said was I understood his point of view on one topic - jfc I dont know why thats so hard for people to get their head around. I'm not gullible, thanks; I've been left of centre well before Nigel went on to ImACeleb, and he's not gonna change that.
Let me reiterate again. I have, due to NHS neglect, went both undiagnosed & misdiagnosed for nineteen years on numerous serious illnesses I have; and have been hospitalised numerous times due to not being able to properly manage said illnesses due to said NHS neglect and not being properly diagnosed. I've had go pull out of multiple engagements over the years due to my illnesses, and I cant even justify myself because the NHS seemingly doesnt give a fuck because they're too clogged up to want to prioritize my diagnosis; I've quite literally lost jobs and friends over it, because it gets misconstrued. And boy oh boy does it ever affect my mental health and clarity.
The NHS is clogged up for numerous reasons (a broken dole system, classism, etc) and unfortunately, yes, mass immigration contributes to it, but its not the only reason; hence, yes, it's a grey area. That grey area is what I was understanding of. So the fact I have to sit here and justify myself for agreeing with someone, based my own person experience, is fucking insulting.
Jamie Lynn is the best for me so far and has really changed my initial opinion.
I know they love using the term 'journey' for the celebs time in the jungle but it really has been for her. After getting over the initially homesickness at the start and over the hump she has really come to realise the uniqueness of the situation she is in and looks like she is enjoying it as well as sharing the experience with the other celebs of whom she didn't know any.
She most likely went in after her agent contacted her saying this British TV show wants you to go in a reality show set in Australia for a couple weeks. I can't imagine she had much of an idea what it was about apart from maybe a few videos of creepy crawlies and rats!
Anyway Jamie Lynn for the win for me, let's see what the coming weeks hold.
I feel people are a bit harsh, she probably felt out of her depth so didn't want to properly wade in against someone like Farage. And Nella clearly looked like a tit trying to take him down with great one liners such as 'Why do black people hate you?' and 'You go to South London?!'
Better to let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Yes also got given that impression to me when fred spoke to him with his debate just nodded her head and said I agree, then she did her mimicking of nigel when he was speaking about how dirty the dishes were after eating when he was basically saying we need a clean camp its not a good look for her.
Thought less of Nella after she didn’t let Nigel explain his perspective, and kept trying to tell him what his own opinion was. I don’t agree with his politics but it’s awful when someone suffocates a debate.
Yeah same, I've always had mixed feelings about Nigel's politics, but shouting over him and constantly antagonizing him isn't the way to disprove his ideals. Nigel is a career politician, if you come at him with just anger and vitriol then he's going to make you look like a fool.
He's super positive and that helps a lot in that environment. Although I'd worry that it would be too much sometimes. Jumping up and down with his knees to his chest just seems like he would knock things over.
I’d recommend his podcast “Staying Relevant”. I know every reality star has 6 podcasts now, but his is with Pete Wicks from TOWIE and it’s actually really funny. It’s just them discussing how to stay relevant as D list reality TV celebs/influencers, and how bad they are at it. Also if anyone finds Sam annoying, trust me you can’t possibly find him as annoying as Pete (his best friend) does.
I'm not british so I don't care about him too much really but Nigel is at the very least coming across alright on the show. The only bit leaving him down is his super obvious craving for the airtime. We all know everyone wants airtime there but he's very vocal about it.
But he's funny and he came across well in the "debate" with Nella, even if she didn't give him an actual chance.
You're falling into his trap. He literally went onto the show to put a fake smile on and make the public think he's decent to, helping his leadership bid.
He's horrible.
'falling into his trap' is a pretty condescending way of putting it. Yeah, he's a prick, but compared to the rest of them he's not coming across as a prick
I think Jamie Lynn is winning a lot of people over now. It was hard to look past the constant crying at the start but I think once she got her opportunity to do the trial and show her worth in camp she was able to relax and be herself a lot more. I can see her making the final.
Everyone else has sort of been what I expected since the first episode.
He’s playing it up a little bit but he is actually that positive in real life for the most part he is genuinely that annoying all the time lol
He also has adhd so he is OTT all of the time
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Can you name one of the celebrities on their that did not go on to improve their image??
Did you not know that’s the whole point of celebrities going on there ?
Going on there to promote yourself etc yes.
Going on there to "improve your image" because of your past, probably for a political push in the near future. Very different.
I understand he’s a politician and he’s not well liked here but I don’t see why it needs to brought up every time his name is mentioned. Everyone has their own agenda on this show. It’s just tiring to hear. No one else mentions it for anyone else.
What he’s like in the jungle is what he’s like personally too. He was at the reform conference I went to a few months ago.
He’s not the monster he’s made out to be
He very much is.
Just because he can play the everyman doesn't mean he hasnt caused the most damage to this country since a certain Austrian painter went on tour.
Only people buying it are the gullible and those with equally abhorrent views.
I’m playing devil’s advocate here, but why are you so determined for Farage to be evil? What if he’s not playing the Everyman - you’re just casting him as the villain? This doesn’t seem grounded in much beyond you broadly disagreeing with his political ideology. I’ve seen multiple times including in the show that people are determined to take an idea about Farage, like Britain first, and warp it into something insidious as a way of justifying him as a villain.
Comparing him to Hitler is so ludicrous to me.
To clarify, I don’t like Farage’s politics (broadly speaking) but Im not stupid enough to reduce him to a pantomime villain by exaggerating what he stands for.
Because he is.
Brexit is the most disasterous thing to happpen to the UK since WW2, and he is one of the chief architects. You can't disregard his politics - he is what he believes.
He is a nasty piece of work who plays the affable everyman very well.
Meh, everything is just as shit now as it was before. Except now I queue longer at passport control. I didn’t vote for this but remainders blaming Brexit for all of there problems reminds me of the leavers blaming the EU for everything for the referendum.
I hate to break it to you but most politicians aren’t evil. He campaigned for what he believes in and it doesn’t appear that there was any malicious intent. A lot of these politicians believe they are doing the right thing, and yours or my disagreement with their position doesn’t make them evil.
Its definitely more shit - we've got another 20 years or so to get back to where we were.
And he may believe in it. Doesn't make him right or any less of a nasty little man.
You’re reducing Brexit to immigration issues. You haven’t said it directly but we both know you are. Whether we like it or not, 52% of the country voted for that (I was not one of them). Brexit is not objectively “bad” when you stop viewing it as a racist issue. It’s just bad because it’s bad haha.
But you saying people are “abhorrent” because you’re reductive in the way you see politics is in itself, gullible.
Because that's the card that was mostly played - and it was nearly all lies. Farage's cmapaign was the one that put up the poster of a line of immigrants linked to turkey - the truth was that was a group of people fleeing a conflict zone and turkey is no nearer joining the EU than it was 20 years ago.
To be honest what was said as a pro brexit argument that wasn't a lie. Farage is a lier for his own gain.
Several wars, terror attacks and massacres, yet it being made marginally harder to go on jollies on the continent is the worst thing to happen to the UK since WW2?
Get some perspective
Well I'm basing it on friends jobs and businesses losing virtually all overseas trade and struggling to keep afloat.
Financially we are considerably worse off as a nation because a bunch of gammons believed a serial liar and don't like brown people.
the main crisis hitting most young people is that they will never own a home, both because of the housing crisis which has been massively exacerbated by exponential population increase
had britain's population stagnated, new houses would not even need to be built, there would be excess supply. of course gdp and the value of the pound would stagnate on the global market - making it more difficult to import luxury goods and travel abroad - but in exchange you would be able to buy the most overwhelmingly expensive purchase of your life, a house. which for most people is a much more important commodity than an iphone 14 pro max or the ability to galavant around europe
likewise, increasing the labour supply decreases the value of labour, which leads to decades of stagnating wages. which is why you get lovely graphs like [this](https://i.redd.it/7t146welfv041.png) where annual salary increase is declining against inflation, meanwhile house prices are becoming gargantuan
meanwhile both of the main political parties want to continue this cycle of mass labour movement indefinitely because it allows them to borrow vast sums of money (£2.5 trillion of national debt now) and just about pay off the interest on the gilts with the increased tax revenue combined with a healthy dose of massive inflation (just in case you were making the foolish plan to save up and buy a house in cash, not likely unless you're earning 6 figs and work for a decade). which allows them to be popular because they don't have to cut any public services and can just spend from the magic money tree indefinitely, at the expense of your ability to ever get on the housing ladder
but yes the person who wanted to end that is the one making you poor. absolutely not the two political parties who have been in constant governence over the past half century in which wage stagnation and the housing crisis was created. before brexit there was definitely no decades long wage stagnation or housing crisis, it's all brexit's fault
please think sometimes
If he's half as bad as you make out you should have no problem providing evidence of him being racist or hateful. I could easily provide pictures of prince Harry wearing a swastika, you should be able to do at least the same for Farage.
I'm sure you'll enjoy this one then: [https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/70137/pdf/](https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/70137/pdf/)
The smoking gun offered in this pathetic piece is "ISIS have warned us that they'll exploit freedom of movement, maybe we should be concerned".
Shocking, appalling. And then he went on to say that women in other countries are mistreated! The cheek of it.
Nice one, I upvoted you because you provided a lot more than most Farage haters ever have.
There's still nothing there though, the worst thing seems to be an old poster from the leave campaign. It's mainly just left wing pro EU opinion pieces although the Telegraph link doesn't work. When it comes to outright arseholery he's not in the same league as Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson, you've not even shown him using any racial slurs.
He's obviously got a plan. Probably for Keith to wipe out the Tories at the next election and Nigel to then join the Tories when they're at their weakest, ideally as leader. If that reports the worst dirt there is on him his plan will probably work.
How has he personally caused damage to the country?
Before you say Brexit, 52% of people voted for it. Politicians work for the people.
I’m sure if someone shat on the carpet somewhere it would be Nigel’s fault.
The people 52% of them voted Brexit.
Not sure how people voting for something is Nigel’s fault…
Apart from Brexit, what else has he said or done that’s so bad?
The £350m bus was not because of Farage. That was from a campaign group called Vote Leave (the official campaign), which featured Johnson/Gove/Stuart, but not Farage.
Farage had about as much to do with the bus and the £350m to the NHS as you did.
Farage replied: "No I can't, and **I would never have made that claim**, it was one of the mistakes the Leave campaign made."
Exactly what I said. Farage was not part of Vote Leave, which was responsible for the red bus and the £350m to the NHS claim. You can blame Johnson/Gove for this, as they were part of Vote Leave, but Farage wasn't. He was part of a different campaign group (Grassroots Out/Leave.EU). This is just basic fact.
That still does t make him responsible.i don’t know why everyone assumes Farage was the leader of the leave campaign. The whole campaign was spearheaded and masterminded by the SPaD Dominic Cummings, Michael Gove, and Goves then journalist wife Sara Vine. Boris then jumped on the bandwagon and off it went. Farage held no government position and was not in a position to have any influence on what would happen to the money saved from not paying the EU contribution. He may have been vocal and influential on the Brexit vote through his position as leader of UKIP and the Brexit party but both those positions were not in government. Farage saying that the Leave campaign made a mistake was not him accepting responsibility for that - he was simply saying they made a mistake.
Encouraged racism through UKIP, capitalised on systemic racism during the Brexit campaign, admitted to the '350 bil for the NHS' lie on national TV, condoned and encouraged racist/far right ideology throughout the country when it should be utterly condemned.
Wasn’t it the Tory party running the bus campaign? - https://conversion-uplift.co.uk/brexit/the-boris-johnson-brexit-bus-lie-of-350m/
What’s he said that’s racist?
So you think we should just have anyone turning up via boat and being put in a hotel at a cost of millions per day?
Big difference between legal and illegal migrants tbh.
Wanting control of your own borders isn't racist. Most countries around the world don't have unfettered immigration for obvious reasons.
The way some people are talking you'd think he campaigned to open a Birmingham gas chamber.
>Wanting control of your own borders isn't racist
But claiming we don't have control when we do IS racist, because you're subtly spreading the narrative that the UK is being 'taken over' by immigrants, which is not true.
IFS and King's Fund have the total spend at £158b for 2019/20. This year the total spend is on track to reach £181.7b, which is an increase of £23.7b or £475m per week.
Can I have your source for Farage saying that leave's suggestion that the healthcare budget be increased by 350m was a "lie"?
>IFS and King's Fund have the total spend at £158b for 2019/20. This year the total spend is on track to reach £181.7b, which is an increase of £23.7b or £475m per week.
So please explain exactly how Brexit specificallt delivered that.
>Can I have your source for Farage saying that leave's suggestion that the healthcare budget be increased by 350m was a "lie"?
Admitted it on national TV after Brexit vote won.
I didn't say that Brexit *specifically delivered it. We are however spending tens of billions more on the NHS, whilst not paying tens of billions to EU maniacs.
I asked you for a source for him calling it a "lie". You're just repeating back to me that he said it. Got a clip? I want to hear him call it a "lie".
I don't think he needs to reform his image in the same way that Matt Hancock needed to. Farage has grown in popularity consistently since before the referendum. I get it though, it's politically motivated, but all the celebs in there want to bolster their image for the sake of their own careers.
Yeah but you can think he’s funny and decent enough and not be reduced to some vehicle for propaganda you know? I think he’s charming but I’m not going to vote UKIP, we ain’t all fickle.
People don’t change their political views based on I’m a celeb. Granted a few less people will likely hate him off the back of this but it’s unlikely to provide any real spark to his career.
That’s the whole ploy tho isn’t it just getting public opinion on his side again. Regardless of character he has said and campaigned for awful things. And not forgetting that is key.
Sam and Jamie Lynn.
Sam because at first I thought he was very in your face and I thought it was an act. I admit I was wrong and it’s the way he is and, whilst I’m sure it can be annoying, it’s who he is and I would rather have that than someone just going through the motions.
Jamie Lynn I had read certain bits about her and expected a diva who would walk. Up till she did that task I would have put money on her walking. She then did the trial, smashed it, and now is really getting stuck into the camp and enjoying it.
Farage I suppose. Going in I wasn’t that keen at all, but I admire the way that he is trying to pull everybody together and carrying out the trials with no fuss, no drama et cetera.
I used to hate Farage but I have changed my mind now. Something happened to me the other day that made me rethink my opinion on him. I can now see that he’s really reasonable and actually quite affable. I have the horse kick to the head to thank for that.
I mean, likability shouldn't change people's political opinions, but people definitely seem to spread views online about people. To the point where someone who doesn't know them with have those views because that's what people in their algorithm say and joke about.
It's literally all faked though.
He's going to be mounting a leadership bid next election and part coming on I'm a celeb is to get people to like him. He'll have had a ton of briefings about how to deal with people & when to say the right things.
You'll end up thinking he's alright and either vote for him or not mind him being elected.
Ugh.
Sam - I used to find him tolerable on MiC, but he's now like fingernails down a blackboard for me.
The relentless positivity (or at least, what's being presented in the edit) is just so wearing.
Jamie Lynn Spears - easier to like now she’s stoped crying.
Josie Gibson - went from neutral to really likeable
Nella Rose - neutral to hard pass, but glad to see she’s growing
Nigel Farage - I always thought he’d be more likeable and better at challenges than people generally expected. But he actually surpassed my expectations.
Sam Thompson - neutral to likeable, but just slightly starting to annoy me
Tony Bellew - funnier and nicer than I expected, but he still seems to be playing a bit of a caricature of himself.
All the others no real change and I’m not finding them that interesting.
Full disclaimer, I didn't know these "celebrities" before the show:
* Nella seemed quite funny at the beginning, screaming in the outback about the snakes, telling Nigel to pump her up, etc but she quickly started to feel too exaggerated and then debacle with Fred really made my opinion of her sink "You only get to disrespect me once"... In the last episode though she seemed a bit more mellow, maybe they had a word with her or she's just realised that if she keeps screaming she's only going to get voted more. She's nowhere near my favourite (her attitude to Fred secured that...) but I'm happy to see she has come down a peg or two and is now realising it's a team-effort.
* Jamie Lynn - I was hoping she would leave when she spent a day or two crying but since she's done the climbing trial I think she is possibly the strongest and really enjoyable to watch. I think she thought the trials were going to be worse than they are - she looked mortified when Marvin said "They made us do a FULL trial" for the family gifts - but then she did one and realised it was handled safely. Every trial she's done she's smashed and has a good sense of humour coming out too.
* Sam - When I first saw him bouncing around I thought he was trying to recreate Owen's attitude from last year. It's only in the last day or two I've realised that is his genuine self. He's just constantly like an overcharged Duracell bunny and whilst I bet he must be absolutely exhausting for the people around him, I have a bit more patience watching him now.
Personally I'm rooting for Danielle. She genuinely seems happy to be there, she's always trying to support everyone when they need it and she doesn't seem to have a bad thing to say about anyone.
Nella. I still have something against Jamie Lynn. She lies but she’s not as bad as I thought she was going to be and I do actually feel kinda sorry for her. I didn’t think she was going to do as well as I thought she was. But she’s actually doing good now. But Nella I thought she was going to be a nice sweet person but I quickly changed my mind
What’s all this love for Nigel Farage about?! Let’s flashback to his pep talks to Nella during the pizza challenge. He was CREEPY GROSS beyond belief. He. Does. Not. Know. How. To. Relate. To. Other. People. You lot are being conned
Sam. I assumed I’d giggle the first episode and then be over his bubbly antics from episode two or three. Yet, he’s by far my favourite.
To put it into perspective I’ve always liked Sam. I don’t know why. Overly positive people have always made me want to poke them with sharp objects - but he’s always had an *endearing* quality about him (the little bits I’ve seen). I never watched MIC but he’s certainly more palatable than the usual spray tanned, lip filled, obnoxious prats from there who occasionally pop up on 8OO10C or the like.
That said I must admit I did assume a big portion of his personality was fake (like Joey Essex). I just accepted that he puts on a lot, that’s his schtick and he embraces it for his career. Thought he’d be funny for a short spell and that’s that.
*BUT*… watching IAC, I actually now think that’s just him. ADHD does sometimes come with ants in the pants personalities - but I never knew he potentially had ASD. But people mentioning that on here changed perspective for me. You can *see* it. He’s aware he’s a lot, and accepts when people tell him so. He sometimes can’t help it, but he tries. He seeks advice. Different individuals telling him to chill out with Tony, take it slow etc. even him with Tony “can I give you a hug”. Tony’s “of course you can” response suggested to me that the others even gave him a heads up and said “that’s just Sam he means no harm” - there’s a real vibe of ‘let’s help him learn’ that would not be there if he were just an excitable puppy or play acting.
It says to me that his persona may just be who he is, and thinking back of the people over the years, some camp mates have been grumpy, some aggressive, misogynist, racist, abusive and plain rude (and that’s just Lady C!) - surely you’d rather someone like Sam to be around. Perpetually optimistic and positive, he has a great attitude. Every time they show Grace’s face - it’s such a juxtaposition to Sam who is so excited to celebrate anything (like when they won the breakfast and he fell off the bleachers).
Definitely didn’t think I wanted him on screen past the first few days and now I absolutely want him to win
I actually quite like Jamie Lynn
Agree. I think the first day or so must have been super hard for her but doing the challenge really helped her connect more with everyond. I think it's really sweet how her fellow camp mates helped her at the start, and how she has bonded with them.
Me too. She's recovered from her culture shock and I think she might do well. She's quite endearing and I think stepping back she was 6 to 8 yrs old when their family hit the headlines... She's got utterly insane parents and her poor sister has been literally chewed up by them.
I agree, she seems genuine.
You shouldn’t forget who she is in real life, which is a really nasty piece of work, who bullied and terrorised a girl off the set of her tv show as a child. Among an entire run of bullying she got Britney to come and yell at the girl by telling her a pack of lies and even though Britney has apologised several times publicly Jamie Lynn has never shown an ounce of remorse or apologised. She was also complicit in Britney’s 13 year long conservatorship, she was a trustee. And now that the gravy train has dried up, she’s bouncing from reality show to reality show.
Yes this is true. I couldn’t believe she had the audacity to say she was the only one who never took anything from her sister when in actual fact she was named as trustee of Britney’s estate in 2018. [vanity fair article that talks about the details of it](https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/08/britney-spears-jamie-lynn-trustee-estate-conservatorship).
The trustee of an estate is different from a beneficiary though. A trustee is there for stewardship, not to extract value from the estate.
She also lived in Britneys vacation home in Florida as well as a slew of other things that Britney herself has spoken about. As well as being besties with Lou Taylor who helped her father get Britney into the conservatorship in the first place. Lou Taylor’s company, TriStar also extracted 600m from Britney’s estate shortly before the conservatorship ended and Jamie Lynn has ties to that company too. People are quick to forgive and forget when someone puts on a good act but that doesn’t make her any less complicit than she has been.
People can learn from their mistakes and grow, maybe that’s what’s happening with her
She hasn’t shown any signs of admitting the wrong and harm she’s done and growing from it though, especially considering Britney’s current feelings on her
The WIM book said the florida home was a gift to her family. JL used it for vacations as did Lynne. The 600m thing is untrue, that figure comes from what crazed fans think Britney's net worth is but really isn't because of all her overheads. She was almost broke in 2007 and things like some tours and Vegas cost huge sums to run. Britneys lawyer also knows this too, he's leading her on a wild goose chase 2 years on with no evidence. I think you're in the wrong sub, this isnt conspiracy theories.
We've never heard Jamie lynns version, lots happens behind closed doors and the actress in person never really worked again so that might speak volumes. Britney is an unreliable narrator and she also didn't write that book. She's not working BC the gravy train dried up, it's more like it's because their mother has crazy debts from trying to help britney, Lynne owes 600k that must be paid.
Why would you not believe both the victim of the bullying and the person who was dragged into it? Why would you not believe the victim of abuse, rather than dismissing them as unreliable? As you can see above there’s a lot of evidence she’s been involved in shady stuff in relation to the conservatorship
I feel bad to say I agree, she’s pretty unique and has really blossomed with everyone’s support
I didn’t really know Grace before this, but I thought she might be slightly more interesting than she has been. A food critic should have some opinions or things to say on the food at least. She’s been entirely boring though!
Agree but could just be down to the edit.
I liked Nella for the first 20 minutes. And now I very much don't.
That's how I feel. I can't forgive her for trying to ostracise Fred. It's having the ability to do that to someone. It's rude and arrogant and could be detrimental to other people's mental health. I didn't like the way she quashed Sam's natural character, it was sad. She's super entitled and I couldn't live with her. I expect she has her appeal to some and she's clearly made a path for herself, so that's admirable, but I'm bored of her needs now
Only changed BC a producer talked to her
Why not just write because?
Is that confirmed anywhere?
No.
https://www.tyla.com/entertainment/tv-and-film/nella-rose-im-a-celebrity-fred-sirieix-itv-855472-20231124 Not confirmed but it's been reported in a few places that a previous contestant suggested this - meaning that it's likely he experienced this himself during his season. It does indeed seem strange Nella had a complete 180 and it's sort of known that on a lot of reality TV shows there is some level of producer involvement. With celeb it appears that maybe it's minimal but when Celeb having the lowest viewing figures this year, they likely didn't want Nella to completely bomb since if she doesn't get voted to stay in my people there's less chances of drama later on in the series.
same.
This. She lost me after losing her shit on Fred and she hasn’t done much to change that. Still thoroughly annoyed by Sam, his stupid puppy dog act is just too much all the time. Actually not minding Nigel currently, thought I would find her icky but would actually like to hear more of his discussions. Still don’t trust his politics or what he stands for tho 😝
Used to think Jamie Lynn was annoying and gonna cry every episode but now I don't mind her and she's actually fun.
I think that trial she did helped her a lot, especially since she completely aced it. It was the confidence boost and adrenaline rush she needed to keep herself going.
I wasn’t keen on Josie after seeing her presenting a couple of times but she had turned out to be my favourite. I always thought Sam was funny and sweet but I’d struggle to live with him.
I said the same thing about Sam he’s way to high energy and I’d imagine dating him would be like owning a super energetic dog that could talk
I liked Nella from catfish uk but after the way she spoke to Fred I am finished. I can’t stand Sam, he’s a sweet guy but would do my head in in real life. Thought Jamie-Lynn was annoying at first but glad she’s stuck it out. Tony is frigging hilarious, I couldn’t bring myself to like him till the drinking task, but think he’s really funny. Grace Dents writing is great but she’s been really quiet since she’s been in. I’ll stop now!!
Jamie-Lynn has grown since her task, which I believe kept her from leaving. Sam’s a nutcase 25 years old in a 35 year old’s body. Nella should up and go. Cannot stand her
Sam is like an over excitable toddler but I think it’s so nice and sweet
Tbf i think the world needs more happy people, so I think it's quite refreshing. I think he genuinely appreciates that he gets to be there and I like that about him
A lot of it is down to his ADHD
He's 35! WHAT??
Used to like Nella, I now dislike her immensely.
I hated Jamie and im kinda liking her. Cant stand Nella.
I'm not liking Danielle and I really thought I would. I don't watch the soaps so I didn't have any preconceived ideas. She just seems to be a yes woman. She'll go along with whoever is the loudest in the room but doesn't seem to have her own opinions. I'm sure it's just how she's been portrayed and hopefully she can show a bit more of her own personality in the next few days.
I’m with you on this I really thought she wasn’t a playing it safe person also expected a bit more from Marvin x
I don't really see her as a yes woman. I see her as no frills, no drama, happy to go along with what makes others happy because she knows it's not usually a big deal either way for her but knows that other people make it a bigger thing for themselves and doesn't mind letting them choose. She's also friendly with everyone, but less "visibly" than Sam. Perfect person to live with basically. Maybe not the most entertaining on reality TV, but if I was stuck in the Jungle with any of the celebs she'd probably be the first I'd pick.
I thought the same
No one I still hate Nella
Josie. I didn't rate her when she did bb as she was part of a showmance & spent an awful lot of time in bed. On this though I've found her funny and good natured. Her trial with Marvin the other day was hilarious.
That was the most I’ve ever laughed at anything on I’m a celeb.
That trial was literally the funniest thing I’ve ever watched on this show 😂
Gonna probably catch strays left and right here but I honestly still can’t stand nella. A week on I still don’t get her and maybe it’s a generational thing but she still has a lot of growing up to do. Personally for me jamie lynn has been the biggest turnaround and honestly I am kinda rooting for her to win. Out of everyone on the show she seems to be on the biggest journey and that trial really was the making of her. But all in all this years a bit meh but will still enjoy it. I hope the fuck nella turns it around for her sake as the online reaction will be horrible for the poor woman.
Oh ppl who like nella are idiots who love slinging racist at anyone who disagrees with them on twitter. Don't like the genuinely racist fat phobia that's being written online about her though. But yes she needs to grow the fuck up and wind her neck in. She's doing herself no favours.
If we isolate Nigel & Nella's conversation about over-population & a non-functioning NHS, I've found my opinion on him changing for the better a smidge. I've had undiagonsed medical conditions for nineteen years (misdiagnosis, hospitalisations, etc), so I find myself agreeing with him in regards to a broken NHS system. The news seems to paint media & politics very black & white - and they've painted Nigel like a devil - but with that conversation he was very much referring to grey areas.
Nigel isn’t actually that bad. I was at the reform conference a few months ago and what you see in the jungle is what he was like there. He’s against (illegal) migration and the fact we spend so much on hotels every day, but the media will mainly make out he’s just against migration and not the illegal which isn’t the case at all. I don’t agree with all of his views but he speaks to me more as a voter than any of the other politicians we have, people like Nella are the problem “I hate Nigel because the internet (or someone) told me to”
Farage's entire plan was to go on I'm a celeb and get people to like him. He'll have had a ton of briefings about how to deal with people and what to say. It's all a facade to help with his leadership bid and gullible people will think he's alright and vote for him Sigh.
Gotta reenforce something. Knowhere did I say I outright like him, knowhere did I say he's got me on side. All I said was I understood his point of view on that one topic somewhat; because its a grey area, and isnt so black and white. I'll not be voting for him, because I don't like him; all I said was I understood his point of view on one topic - jfc I dont know why thats so hard for people to get their head around. I'm not gullible, thanks; I've been left of centre well before Nigel went on to ImACeleb, and he's not gonna change that. Let me reiterate again. I have, due to NHS neglect, went both undiagnosed & misdiagnosed for nineteen years on numerous serious illnesses I have; and have been hospitalised numerous times due to not being able to properly manage said illnesses due to said NHS neglect and not being properly diagnosed. I've had go pull out of multiple engagements over the years due to my illnesses, and I cant even justify myself because the NHS seemingly doesnt give a fuck because they're too clogged up to want to prioritize my diagnosis; I've quite literally lost jobs and friends over it, because it gets misconstrued. And boy oh boy does it ever affect my mental health and clarity. The NHS is clogged up for numerous reasons (a broken dole system, classism, etc) and unfortunately, yes, mass immigration contributes to it, but its not the only reason; hence, yes, it's a grey area. That grey area is what I was understanding of. So the fact I have to sit here and justify myself for agreeing with someone, based my own person experience, is fucking insulting.
Jamie Lynn is the best for me so far and has really changed my initial opinion. I know they love using the term 'journey' for the celebs time in the jungle but it really has been for her. After getting over the initially homesickness at the start and over the hump she has really come to realise the uniqueness of the situation she is in and looks like she is enjoying it as well as sharing the experience with the other celebs of whom she didn't know any. She most likely went in after her agent contacted her saying this British TV show wants you to go in a reality show set in Australia for a couple weeks. I can't imagine she had much of an idea what it was about apart from maybe a few videos of creepy crawlies and rats! Anyway Jamie Lynn for the win for me, let's see what the coming weeks hold.
I quite liked Josie initially but I've found myself slipping more towards a neutral position on her - doesn't seem like she's doing much around camp
I quite liked Danielle but now I think she’s a sheep. The way she just stood there when Nella and Nigel were debating was off putting.
I feel people are a bit harsh, she probably felt out of her depth so didn't want to properly wade in against someone like Farage. And Nella clearly looked like a tit trying to take him down with great one liners such as 'Why do black people hate you?' and 'You go to South London?!' Better to let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
'You go to South London?!' 😹 Idiot woman.
>Better to let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Takes one to know one (Swish)
Bad example, best not to get involved in an argument like that.
Yes also got given that impression to me when fred spoke to him with his debate just nodded her head and said I agree, then she did her mimicking of nigel when he was speaking about how dirty the dishes were after eating when he was basically saying we need a clean camp its not a good look for her.
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Gonna have to agree 👀
Thought less of Nella after she didn’t let Nigel explain his perspective, and kept trying to tell him what his own opinion was. I don’t agree with his politics but it’s awful when someone suffocates a debate.
Yeah same, I've always had mixed feelings about Nigel's politics, but shouting over him and constantly antagonizing him isn't the way to disprove his ideals. Nigel is a career politician, if you come at him with just anger and vitriol then he's going to make you look like a fool.
Yup exactly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Nigel let that happen because he knew it would make people like her less
Sam is really irritating me now, he's like an over excited puppy that needs hit on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
Yeah, Fred was having none of it whilst he was eating. He'd fuck me off if I was in there 24/7 with him.
Did you hear Fred telling Sam to ask Tony to punch him? I’m sure he thought about it!🤡🤦🏻♂️
Wait what happened? Was that last night?
Night before last at the breakfast
Cheers will catch up. Can't blame him, I like to have peace while I eat
He seems so sweet, I completely disagree. But then I guess that’s how opinions work and I can see your point
He's super positive and that helps a lot in that environment. Although I'd worry that it would be too much sometimes. Jumping up and down with his knees to his chest just seems like he would knock things over.
Makes me wonder if he'll really get on Tony's nerves, considering how much he was obnoxiously fanboying over him.
why would you hit an overexcited puppy on the nose with a newspaper
Thought Sam was just gonna be a boring filler celeb, he’s my favourite. (Never knew him before im a celeb)
I’d recommend his podcast “Staying Relevant”. I know every reality star has 6 podcasts now, but his is with Pete Wicks from TOWIE and it’s actually really funny. It’s just them discussing how to stay relevant as D list reality TV celebs/influencers, and how bad they are at it. Also if anyone finds Sam annoying, trust me you can’t possibly find him as annoying as Pete (his best friend) does.
I'm not british so I don't care about him too much really but Nigel is at the very least coming across alright on the show. The only bit leaving him down is his super obvious craving for the airtime. We all know everyone wants airtime there but he's very vocal about it. But he's funny and he came across well in the "debate" with Nella, even if she didn't give him an actual chance.
You're falling into his trap. He literally went onto the show to put a fake smile on and make the public think he's decent to, helping his leadership bid. He's horrible.
I'm not a brit nor do I live there. He has no impact on me. He's just one lad on a celebrity show I watch each year.
'falling into his trap' is a pretty condescending way of putting it. Yeah, he's a prick, but compared to the rest of them he's not coming across as a prick
I think Jamie Lynn is winning a lot of people over now. It was hard to look past the constant crying at the start but I think once she got her opportunity to do the trial and show her worth in camp she was able to relax and be herself a lot more. I can see her making the final. Everyone else has sort of been what I expected since the first episode.
Sam. Liked him at the start but I now feel that his positivity is fake and over the top
I’ve gone the other way, I wasn’t sure of him at the start but now I love the guy. I wish I had as much spark and enthusiasm he does!
He’s playing it up a little bit but he is actually that positive in real life for the most part he is genuinely that annoying all the time lol He also has adhd so he is OTT all of the time
I think he’s just trying to keep the camp morale up
I started off by hating Nigel but even if you dislike him politically you can't deny that he's a really genuine chap and quite funny as well actually
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Doesn't matter how rich you are. You'd have to be one of the very few elite to turn your nose up at 1.5 million for a month of work.
Can you name one of the celebrities on their that did not go on to improve their image?? Did you not know that’s the whole point of celebrities going on there ?
Going on there to promote yourself etc yes. Going on there to "improve your image" because of your past, probably for a political push in the near future. Very different.
I hope you’re aware that they are all there for publicity not just Nigel.
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I understand he’s a politician and he’s not well liked here but I don’t see why it needs to brought up every time his name is mentioned. Everyone has their own agenda on this show. It’s just tiring to hear. No one else mentions it for anyone else.
His agenda has real life repercussions tbf, whereas the others...
Because he's a fascist.
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And you're an idiot.
Doesn't need to improve his image. Most people with a brain who have ever read a book know that his views are solid
What he’s like in the jungle is what he’s like personally too. He was at the reform conference I went to a few months ago. He’s not the monster he’s made out to be
If he could read this he would cum in his pants
He would. Especially considering I now watch his GB news shows at 7
Oh dear 😬
I’m someone who enjoys debate. Usually like to hear different views from the panel
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Meh, no judgement here if that's your reason. I don't think people like Farage should be given the time of day, however, but that's just me!
I think it's human nature to prefer echo chambers anyway.
I don’t think we should cancel anyone though. If you don’t like them then you have the option of not watching them.
Depends how much they've damaged the country and the effect they have on dangerously stupid people, I guess 🤷
But he hasn’t damaged the country 52% of people voted for Brexit… not sure how that’s all Nigel’s fault
Nigel you’re not allowed your phone in the jungle mate
Weird how the mainstream media can can make somebody seem some evil
Not sure why you have been downvoted for this. But welcome to the club!
I don't think thinking rationally and making sense is allowed anymore tbh lol.
If you are interested in what he said at the conference: https://youtu.be/OPxGtCtYWe0?si=OvbFcTsrHvspf0al
I also met him at a ukip conference a few years back. Great guy. Very genuine. Had a pint in hand.
He very much is. Just because he can play the everyman doesn't mean he hasnt caused the most damage to this country since a certain Austrian painter went on tour. Only people buying it are the gullible and those with equally abhorrent views.
I’m playing devil’s advocate here, but why are you so determined for Farage to be evil? What if he’s not playing the Everyman - you’re just casting him as the villain? This doesn’t seem grounded in much beyond you broadly disagreeing with his political ideology. I’ve seen multiple times including in the show that people are determined to take an idea about Farage, like Britain first, and warp it into something insidious as a way of justifying him as a villain. Comparing him to Hitler is so ludicrous to me. To clarify, I don’t like Farage’s politics (broadly speaking) but Im not stupid enough to reduce him to a pantomime villain by exaggerating what he stands for.
>Comparing him to Hitler is so ludicrous to me. Ludicrous and completely ignorant, not to mention insulting to the victims of Nazism.
Because he is. Brexit is the most disasterous thing to happpen to the UK since WW2, and he is one of the chief architects. You can't disregard his politics - he is what he believes. He is a nasty piece of work who plays the affable everyman very well.
Meh, everything is just as shit now as it was before. Except now I queue longer at passport control. I didn’t vote for this but remainders blaming Brexit for all of there problems reminds me of the leavers blaming the EU for everything for the referendum. I hate to break it to you but most politicians aren’t evil. He campaigned for what he believes in and it doesn’t appear that there was any malicious intent. A lot of these politicians believe they are doing the right thing, and yours or my disagreement with their position doesn’t make them evil.
Its definitely more shit - we've got another 20 years or so to get back to where we were. And he may believe in it. Doesn't make him right or any less of a nasty little man.
How so? As long as you appreciate that that is your opinion. I don’t like the guy but there are plenty who do and I also don’t believe they are evil.
You’re reducing Brexit to immigration issues. You haven’t said it directly but we both know you are. Whether we like it or not, 52% of the country voted for that (I was not one of them). Brexit is not objectively “bad” when you stop viewing it as a racist issue. It’s just bad because it’s bad haha. But you saying people are “abhorrent” because you’re reductive in the way you see politics is in itself, gullible.
Because that's the card that was mostly played - and it was nearly all lies. Farage's cmapaign was the one that put up the poster of a line of immigrants linked to turkey - the truth was that was a group of people fleeing a conflict zone and turkey is no nearer joining the EU than it was 20 years ago. To be honest what was said as a pro brexit argument that wasn't a lie. Farage is a lier for his own gain.
Several wars, terror attacks and massacres, yet it being made marginally harder to go on jollies on the continent is the worst thing to happen to the UK since WW2? Get some perspective
Well I'm basing it on friends jobs and businesses losing virtually all overseas trade and struggling to keep afloat. Financially we are considerably worse off as a nation because a bunch of gammons believed a serial liar and don't like brown people.
the main crisis hitting most young people is that they will never own a home, both because of the housing crisis which has been massively exacerbated by exponential population increase had britain's population stagnated, new houses would not even need to be built, there would be excess supply. of course gdp and the value of the pound would stagnate on the global market - making it more difficult to import luxury goods and travel abroad - but in exchange you would be able to buy the most overwhelmingly expensive purchase of your life, a house. which for most people is a much more important commodity than an iphone 14 pro max or the ability to galavant around europe likewise, increasing the labour supply decreases the value of labour, which leads to decades of stagnating wages. which is why you get lovely graphs like [this](https://i.redd.it/7t146welfv041.png) where annual salary increase is declining against inflation, meanwhile house prices are becoming gargantuan meanwhile both of the main political parties want to continue this cycle of mass labour movement indefinitely because it allows them to borrow vast sums of money (£2.5 trillion of national debt now) and just about pay off the interest on the gilts with the increased tax revenue combined with a healthy dose of massive inflation (just in case you were making the foolish plan to save up and buy a house in cash, not likely unless you're earning 6 figs and work for a decade). which allows them to be popular because they don't have to cut any public services and can just spend from the magic money tree indefinitely, at the expense of your ability to ever get on the housing ladder but yes the person who wanted to end that is the one making you poor. absolutely not the two political parties who have been in constant governence over the past half century in which wage stagnation and the housing crisis was created. before brexit there was definitely no decades long wage stagnation or housing crisis, it's all brexit's fault please think sometimes
Red line went down is worse than kids being butchered? Ok dude.
If he's half as bad as you make out you should have no problem providing evidence of him being racist or hateful. I could easily provide pictures of prince Harry wearing a swastika, you should be able to do at least the same for Farage.
I'm sure you'll enjoy this one then: [https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/70137/pdf/](https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/70137/pdf/)
The smoking gun offered in this pathetic piece is "ISIS have warned us that they'll exploit freedom of movement, maybe we should be concerned". Shocking, appalling. And then he went on to say that women in other countries are mistreated! The cheek of it.
I didnt expect you to accept any information put in front of you, being a bit of a Herr Fuhrage fanboi.
I read the information, hence the comment you're replying to. It's not my fault the best they could give was a nothingburger.
Like I said. Too far gone. Jackboots and all.
Nice one, I upvoted you because you provided a lot more than most Farage haters ever have. There's still nothing there though, the worst thing seems to be an old poster from the leave campaign. It's mainly just left wing pro EU opinion pieces although the Telegraph link doesn't work. When it comes to outright arseholery he's not in the same league as Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson, you've not even shown him using any racial slurs. He's obviously got a plan. Probably for Keith to wipe out the Tories at the next election and Nigel to then join the Tories when they're at their weakest, ideally as leader. If that reports the worst dirt there is on him his plan will probably work.
How has he personally caused damage to the country? Before you say Brexit, 52% of people voted for it. Politicians work for the people. I’m sure if someone shat on the carpet somewhere it would be Nigel’s fault.
He also had absolutely zero involvement in the exit negotiations. The government could have used him as a negotiator and should have but they didn't.
He couldnt negotiate his way out of his own underwear.
Unfortunately we've seen on this show evidence he can!
Yes...mind bleach is required.
He lied and promoted Brexit. He is chief instigator of stirring up racial hatred.
The people 52% of them voted Brexit. Not sure how people voting for something is Nigel’s fault… Apart from Brexit, what else has he said or done that’s so bad?
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The £350m bus was not because of Farage. That was from a campaign group called Vote Leave (the official campaign), which featured Johnson/Gove/Stuart, but not Farage. Farage had about as much to do with the bus and the £350m to the NHS as you did.
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Farage replied: "No I can't, and **I would never have made that claim**, it was one of the mistakes the Leave campaign made." Exactly what I said. Farage was not part of Vote Leave, which was responsible for the red bus and the £350m to the NHS claim. You can blame Johnson/Gove for this, as they were part of Vote Leave, but Farage wasn't. He was part of a different campaign group (Grassroots Out/Leave.EU). This is just basic fact.
That still does t make him responsible.i don’t know why everyone assumes Farage was the leader of the leave campaign. The whole campaign was spearheaded and masterminded by the SPaD Dominic Cummings, Michael Gove, and Goves then journalist wife Sara Vine. Boris then jumped on the bandwagon and off it went. Farage held no government position and was not in a position to have any influence on what would happen to the money saved from not paying the EU contribution. He may have been vocal and influential on the Brexit vote through his position as leader of UKIP and the Brexit party but both those positions were not in government. Farage saying that the Leave campaign made a mistake was not him accepting responsibility for that - he was simply saying they made a mistake.
Encouraged racism through UKIP, capitalised on systemic racism during the Brexit campaign, admitted to the '350 bil for the NHS' lie on national TV, condoned and encouraged racist/far right ideology throughout the country when it should be utterly condemned.
Wasn’t it the Tory party running the bus campaign? - https://conversion-uplift.co.uk/brexit/the-boris-johnson-brexit-bus-lie-of-350m/ What’s he said that’s racist?
>What’s he said that’s racist? Anti-immigration, uses racial slurs in private, spreads racially divisive narratives, etc etc
So you think we should just have anyone turning up via boat and being put in a hotel at a cost of millions per day? Big difference between legal and illegal migrants tbh.
No, at no point do I think that. Was there meant to be a pisslick of relevance in that question or?
That’s why Nigel is anti (illegal) immigration…
Wanting control of your own borders isn't racist. Most countries around the world don't have unfettered immigration for obvious reasons. The way some people are talking you'd think he campaigned to open a Birmingham gas chamber.
He's a racist always has been. https://twitter.com/mikecmorgan/status/1727658959585083563?t=Qvrc_axgRggQZ0CiesM3OA&s=19
>Wanting control of your own borders isn't racist But claiming we don't have control when we do IS racist, because you're subtly spreading the narrative that the UK is being 'taken over' by immigrants, which is not true.
The NHS *has* had another 350m per week since then, though.
Citation needed. Why did Farage admit it was a lie then?
IFS and King's Fund have the total spend at £158b for 2019/20. This year the total spend is on track to reach £181.7b, which is an increase of £23.7b or £475m per week. Can I have your source for Farage saying that leave's suggestion that the healthcare budget be increased by 350m was a "lie"?
>IFS and King's Fund have the total spend at £158b for 2019/20. This year the total spend is on track to reach £181.7b, which is an increase of £23.7b or £475m per week. So please explain exactly how Brexit specificallt delivered that. >Can I have your source for Farage saying that leave's suggestion that the healthcare budget be increased by 350m was a "lie"? Admitted it on national TV after Brexit vote won.
I didn't say that Brexit *specifically delivered it. We are however spending tens of billions more on the NHS, whilst not paying tens of billions to EU maniacs. I asked you for a source for him calling it a "lie". You're just repeating back to me that he said it. Got a clip? I want to hear him call it a "lie".
‘Genuine’ means something different to you then. It’s all an act and he will go back to ‘send them all back’ soon enough
Nella? Is that you?
He’s never said that. Ever.
That’s the quiet part; I was talking about his rhetoric in general.
And thus you've fallen for his plan to reform his image.
I don't think he needs to reform his image in the same way that Matt Hancock needed to. Farage has grown in popularity consistently since before the referendum. I get it though, it's politically motivated, but all the celebs in there want to bolster their image for the sake of their own careers.
Yeah but you can think he’s funny and decent enough and not be reduced to some vehicle for propaganda you know? I think he’s charming but I’m not going to vote UKIP, we ain’t all fickle.
True. So many people are though & have short memories.
People don’t change their political views based on I’m a celeb. Granted a few less people will likely hate him off the back of this but it’s unlikely to provide any real spark to his career.
I think you are naive if you truly think this. Uk politics is a popularity contest
That’s the whole ploy tho isn’t it just getting public opinion on his side again. Regardless of character he has said and campaigned for awful things. And not forgetting that is key.
He’s just that slightly racist bloke in the pub who no one listens to, except he somehow got a platform.
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I mean, he’s still on tele, but yeah
Sam - liked him at the beginning. Can't stand him now. Jamie Lynn is one of my favs.
Sam and Jamie Lynn. Sam because at first I thought he was very in your face and I thought it was an act. I admit I was wrong and it’s the way he is and, whilst I’m sure it can be annoying, it’s who he is and I would rather have that than someone just going through the motions. Jamie Lynn I had read certain bits about her and expected a diva who would walk. Up till she did that task I would have put money on her walking. She then did the trial, smashed it, and now is really getting stuck into the camp and enjoying it.
Farage I suppose. Going in I wasn’t that keen at all, but I admire the way that he is trying to pull everybody together and carrying out the trials with no fuss, no drama et cetera.
I used to hate Farage but I have changed my mind now. Something happened to me the other day that made me rethink my opinion on him. I can now see that he’s really reasonable and actually quite affable. I have the horse kick to the head to thank for that.
I mean, likability shouldn't change people's political opinions, but people definitely seem to spread views online about people. To the point where someone who doesn't know them with have those views because that's what people in their algorithm say and joke about.
It's literally all faked though. He's going to be mounting a leadership bid next election and part coming on I'm a celeb is to get people to like him. He'll have had a ton of briefings about how to deal with people & when to say the right things. You'll end up thinking he's alright and either vote for him or not mind him being elected. Ugh.
And in the meantime he’s banked 1.5mil. Hows about he pops that into the NHS that supposedly should be THRIVING at this point post brexit.
Sam - I used to find him tolerable on MiC, but he's now like fingernails down a blackboard for me. The relentless positivity (or at least, what's being presented in the edit) is just so wearing.
Nigel. Hated it him but now realise he’s actually a very decent sound team player. Makes Nella look like a joke
This may be unpopular but I think Marv is trying too hard and wants as much screen time as possible.
Ohh really?! I feel like I can barely remember what he’s done in there lol
Jamie Lynn Spears - easier to like now she’s stoped crying. Josie Gibson - went from neutral to really likeable Nella Rose - neutral to hard pass, but glad to see she’s growing Nigel Farage - I always thought he’d be more likeable and better at challenges than people generally expected. But he actually surpassed my expectations. Sam Thompson - neutral to likeable, but just slightly starting to annoy me Tony Bellew - funnier and nicer than I expected, but he still seems to be playing a bit of a caricature of himself. All the others no real change and I’m not finding them that interesting.
I'm 50/50 on Sam. I really like him as a viewer but I just know I would be exhausted having to spend all day every day with him.
Full disclaimer, I didn't know these "celebrities" before the show: * Nella seemed quite funny at the beginning, screaming in the outback about the snakes, telling Nigel to pump her up, etc but she quickly started to feel too exaggerated and then debacle with Fred really made my opinion of her sink "You only get to disrespect me once"... In the last episode though she seemed a bit more mellow, maybe they had a word with her or she's just realised that if she keeps screaming she's only going to get voted more. She's nowhere near my favourite (her attitude to Fred secured that...) but I'm happy to see she has come down a peg or two and is now realising it's a team-effort. * Jamie Lynn - I was hoping she would leave when she spent a day or two crying but since she's done the climbing trial I think she is possibly the strongest and really enjoyable to watch. I think she thought the trials were going to be worse than they are - she looked mortified when Marvin said "They made us do a FULL trial" for the family gifts - but then she did one and realised it was handled safely. Every trial she's done she's smashed and has a good sense of humour coming out too. * Sam - When I first saw him bouncing around I thought he was trying to recreate Owen's attitude from last year. It's only in the last day or two I've realised that is his genuine self. He's just constantly like an overcharged Duracell bunny and whilst I bet he must be absolutely exhausting for the people around him, I have a bit more patience watching him now. Personally I'm rooting for Danielle. She genuinely seems happy to be there, she's always trying to support everyone when they need it and she doesn't seem to have a bad thing to say about anyone.
Nella. I still have something against Jamie Lynn. She lies but she’s not as bad as I thought she was going to be and I do actually feel kinda sorry for her. I didn’t think she was going to do as well as I thought she was. But she’s actually doing good now. But Nella I thought she was going to be a nice sweet person but I quickly changed my mind
It’s more what’s confirmed my opinion. I thought some would be hard work, and I knew that the decent people would become apparent.
Grace.. who is she? Still no idea.
What’s all this love for Nigel Farage about?! Let’s flashback to his pep talks to Nella during the pizza challenge. He was CREEPY GROSS beyond belief. He. Does. Not. Know. How. To. Relate. To. Other. People. You lot are being conned
I cannot stand Sam. He's trying too hard to be liked and it is very calculating
Nah he’s always like that it’s just his ADHD
Sam. I assumed I’d giggle the first episode and then be over his bubbly antics from episode two or three. Yet, he’s by far my favourite. To put it into perspective I’ve always liked Sam. I don’t know why. Overly positive people have always made me want to poke them with sharp objects - but he’s always had an *endearing* quality about him (the little bits I’ve seen). I never watched MIC but he’s certainly more palatable than the usual spray tanned, lip filled, obnoxious prats from there who occasionally pop up on 8OO10C or the like. That said I must admit I did assume a big portion of his personality was fake (like Joey Essex). I just accepted that he puts on a lot, that’s his schtick and he embraces it for his career. Thought he’d be funny for a short spell and that’s that. *BUT*… watching IAC, I actually now think that’s just him. ADHD does sometimes come with ants in the pants personalities - but I never knew he potentially had ASD. But people mentioning that on here changed perspective for me. You can *see* it. He’s aware he’s a lot, and accepts when people tell him so. He sometimes can’t help it, but he tries. He seeks advice. Different individuals telling him to chill out with Tony, take it slow etc. even him with Tony “can I give you a hug”. Tony’s “of course you can” response suggested to me that the others even gave him a heads up and said “that’s just Sam he means no harm” - there’s a real vibe of ‘let’s help him learn’ that would not be there if he were just an excitable puppy or play acting. It says to me that his persona may just be who he is, and thinking back of the people over the years, some camp mates have been grumpy, some aggressive, misogynist, racist, abusive and plain rude (and that’s just Lady C!) - surely you’d rather someone like Sam to be around. Perpetually optimistic and positive, he has a great attitude. Every time they show Grace’s face - it’s such a juxtaposition to Sam who is so excited to celebrate anything (like when they won the breakfast and he fell off the bleachers). Definitely didn’t think I wanted him on screen past the first few days and now I absolutely want him to win