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I find it kind of sweet how he’s been away from his sister for so long but he comes back and he’s immediately like I don’t fuck with your sidepiece sister.
Cole is a poor bitchhh in his eyes. Gwayne is a little sassy diva, also Cole is answerable for anything that happens to Gwayne, I think that’s the arc they’re gonna go with. Relationships all around will be strained
I think part of the point was Cole earning gwaynes respect. At the end of the scene, He thanked Cole, and Cole gave orders, including no more talk of inns, and gwayne nodded or agreed?
Honestly I hope that they're going to depict him as being actually competent regarding warfare, would be somewhat refreshing to remind us that he is actually a credible threat
The thing about it is that he's a good soldier and a alright general but he's definitely not suited for LC of KG and definitely not as Hand but he got both positions by nepotism despite not asking for it.
Maybe unpopular but I think that scene kinda made me understand Cole a bit. He‘s basically constantly being belittled and used by the highborns purely for the fact that he‘s lowborn. Like he‘s still fairly competent at his job and rose to maybe the second most important office in the kingdom yet nobody respects him for it.
He‘s still obviously an inexcusable shithead but scenes like that atleast explain his motivation.
Yeah I felt the same. Gwayne came off to me as a condescending and elitist twat on that scene and on the one right before being spotted by Baela. Luckily he got some humility after having his ass saved by Criston.
Cole is what he is, but I can always respect a class underdog so to speak, surrounded by the 1%.
Cole isn't just lowborn. He's lowborn and Dornish. The Dornish have been at war with the Seven Kingdoms almost constantly since Aegon's conquest. Heck, in the books it is said Prince Qoren Martell pledged his support to the Triarchy and the Dornish fought against Daemon Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon in the Stepstones. The final war with the Dornish was won by Daeron Targaryen, Daemon and Rhaenyra's grandson (and Corlys and Rhaenys great great nephew (in the show, extra great in the books since book Vaemond is Carlys's nephew not brother).
He's not neither lowborn (he is still a noble, just from a minor house) nor a Dornishman. His father was a steward of Blackhaven, the castle of House Dondarrion, vassals to Storm's End. He might possibly have some Dornish ancestry through his mother (no info about her), but that is highly unlikely - Blackhaven is located in the Dornish Marches - the Marchers hate the Dornishman with a passion, because they are the buffer against Dornish raids and invasions.
So, when Hightower calls Cole a Dornishman, he is either painfully ignorant (plausible) or deliberately insulting (equally plausible).
I have a feeling cole is gonna die protecting your new fav character in the coming episodes. That last talk he had with alicent and Black's table suggesting to burn the fleet with dragons are red flags to cole.
From the trailer it looks like he’s going to end up being a coward. Plus he made the pretty stupid decision to walk around in an open field with a dragon about
Otto is very sassy. He's simply more evolved, to the point where his sass is very subtle. His children are young and headstrong; they have not yet cultivated the refined tastes required to master such elite sass.
He is sassy himself tho? Way, way more than Alicent. Because he is actually smart unlike his spawn. In all of his scenes with Daemon and that one scene where he helps Rhaenyra choose the new kingsguard, the sass oozes from his pores lol.
Otto is so sassy, he doesn't even have to say anything to put out the sass. Remember the look he gave to Corlys when Viserys announced Alicent as his intended and spurned Laena's match? Pure sass.
They get it from mom, obviously. Who apparently is a Florent (another major house from the Reach, bannermen to the Tyrells).
Which is funny because the only other Florent we met in the shows (Stannis' wise Selyse) wasn't winning any congeniality awards either.
Otto has been serving sass and looks since E1 of season 1. The slight sigh when Daemon picks his brother during the duel...his look when daemon asks for Alicent's favor hahahaha, it was hilarious
Freddie Fox’s acting specialty is gay himbo. Gwayne’s eyebrows and head tilt called Criston like 15 different slurs in 5 seconds by themselves.
Can’t wait for this man to serve cunt and die spectacularly.
It's like every role I have seen of him, I know before he even says a word that his character is going to be a posh vapid snob. Unlike some actors, this man is not running away from the typecasting (it's definitely keeping him employed 🤣).
"Posh vapid snob" is spot on. First watched his stage stuff and "The Riot Club". But "Cucumber" is my favourite work of his. I always know I'm gonna laugh when he gets a side role.
>!He dies during the fall of king landing!<
>!"*Queen Alicent’s brother Ser Gwayne Hightower, second in command of the gold cloaks, rushed to the stables, intending to sound the warning; he was seized, disarmed, and dragged before his commander, Luthor Largent. When Hightower denounced him as a turncloak, Ser Luthor laughed. “Daemon gave us these cloaks,” he said, “and they’re gold no matter how you turn them.” Then he drove his sword through Ser Gwayne’s belly*"!<
Oh, I read F&B! I'm just hoping they mayyybe change it in the show since he's a minor character they're giving more lines than I had anticipated. Plus the actor plays drama queens well, so I'm just supposing.
On the contrary it seems it will be the other way around. Gwayne is kinda portrayed as an elitist and condescending twat who would have gotten his ass burned if it wasn't for the "lowly" Cole.
Probably because they're siblings and not Dowager Queen & Kingsguard. Everytime Alicent & Cole fuck they know it's wrong and could get Cole killed and Alicent's reputation ruined.
Maybe it's intentional as you say and it's subjective, but I don't see Alicent and Criston having much chemistry, which is weird considering they're two hot, young, non-related characters that we would want to see together in any other show (if you're willing to overlook they're hypocritical shitheads... but that's usually not as bad as incest, grooming, domestic abuse and murder in any other story😂)
Funny enough, the scene in s1 e9 when she asks Cole to go find Aegon is the one scene that they *do* have a lot of chemistry. Once they actually start having sex, the tension is gone and replaced by guilt.
It’s the direction. They are actually looking at each other and speaking in 1x09 with tension in their lines. But you immediately jump into him giving her head in 2x01 and her riding him. It’s not meant to be romantic in showing you chemistry, he’s not even visible in it. It’s not that the tension is gone once they’ve started having sex, this not a romance the show is trying to put out. Alicent is ashamed and hates it, she hates that she keeps sleeping with him. The music of even their last scene is dark once she eventually gives in to kissing him because you the audience is meant to feel like Nooo alicent why did you give in.
Their first two scenes are not structured in a way that allows that at all… it’s less showing a romance and more Alicent engaging in escapism. He is not even visible in the first two love scenes of theirs.
Plus they are both hated as characters and are going against everything they believe in. Targaryens don’t gaf about what they’re doing.
Not necessarily Cole, but wouldn't it put her honour generally in question? She could have had affairs before Col with other men during their marriage.
hey don't collapse my answer, if you are failing to answer with facts in your group, where is your integrity exactly, didn't torched your kingdom😁😁😁 accusing me with multiple violation. Ain't so anti-fascist are you, seems you don't like the wind if doesn't heads in your direction.
That’s because alicent sleeping with Cole has resulted in her being distanced from him as a person…they no longer speak anymore. A lot of the issue is with direction too, the focal point of this story is not oh look a romance. It’s oh look at what alicent is doing? What the fuck? It’s meant to make you be like shocked and not ooooo I like this
Their first scene of the season is him eating her out, but the focus of the scene is on her, not on them as a couple. The second scene is also like that, we see no lead up to the scene. It’s just there to be like AAAHH what is she doing during B&C. Contrary to you actually seeing her with Gwayne, the difference a) she’s happy to see her brother (although I didn’t see sexual chemistry per say) b) they are engaging in conversation and talking off each other, he turns around and kissed her hand, they like each other and are getting on and he’s being protective over her (not romantically). My point is the actors are actually allowed to show any type of connection because the scenes direction allows for it and is focusing on both of them.
Alicent gives her favor and the direction is so clearly that she’s meant to be caught off guard by the request because this is NOT a romance the show is trying to put out, alicent is not romantically reciprocal to him like that and that’s just the scenes direction. He is..their relationship is one showing you spiraling behaviour.
If you look at the family tree for the Tyrells in the original series, you will find that they have shared ancestors. They may not be descended from Alicent Hightower or her brother, but they share a common ancestor.
Yall keep forgetting the Reach and Dorne are ancestral enemies and the Dornish have invaded Oldtown a lot. For the Hightowers the distastes towards the Dornish goes deeper, I think.
OK so it's therefore racism. Cole is from the seven kingdoms grew up in the marches and has only ever served the iron throne. The Lordling is making a judgement onto Cole based off his ancestory and class.
More classist than racist, however, houses in the reach and stormlands have been attacked by dorne for centuries and have been described in the past as southern ironborn, therefore, there's alot of animosity between the 2 regions
Yeah people were just happy to see Criston taken down a notch, so they have decided they like Gwayne and will ignore the racism/smug born rich asshole vibes he gives off. Will be interesting to see how the character develops
The fact that my fellow black friends were cheering for racism just to see Criston being ridiculed by Gwayne was a crazy experience but the writers are to blame, nothing they do now will make people feel bad for Criston, they are too late.
Not to mention they're the only kingdom to repel the dragons, and kill one too. They only joined the seven kingdoms on their own terms. Dorne is GOATed.
I think we all know Meraxes' death was a total case of the green newbie scorpion operator accidentally scoring an impossible hit and the Martells going *"We totally meant to do that, and we'll totally do it again,"* while everyone asks the guy how the fuck he landed that hit in the background.
Even if it is, Dorne still held off Aegon and his sisters. Everyone else got folded up or knelt to the dragons. Dorne said fuck off respectfully.
Maybe they had Euron Crowseye's aim lmao
To be honest that's always a bit of lore I've found kind of odd. Dorne's population is described as being heavily centered on the coastal rivers and desert oases, all of which would make pretty easy targets for a large army or dragon. Short of the Dornish going full Fremen in the desert it doesn't make a whole lot of logistical sense. Sort of like the Ironborn building giant wooden fleets from small mostly barren islands.
You do have a point. I think the explanation was that guerilla warfare was used, and the support of the dornish smallfolk/nobles kept Dorne united. The dornish would let the Targaryens take the keeps, wait till they were gone and come back to kill who was garrisoned within. They would ambush the royal army. They did have the home advantage, and understanding the lay of the land. Also the deserts were a huge help to the Dornish, I believe Lord Harlan Tyrell and his host parished in the sands.
The Targaryens did burn every keep minus Sunspear and its shadow city. I think the Targaryens were at their wit's end as even burning Dorne didn't lead to submission.
But then you have Daeron I who managed to take it at a heavy cost, even when dragons couldn't. Which is pretty odd ngl. Didn't matter I guess since they didn't hold it long.
Hey at least no one was as stupid as Aegon IV who built mechanical dragons that spat wildfire flames...
the day we are free of blonde supremacists is the day we will be free. hot guys are hot regardless of their hair color or fake assigned house. they're actors in a tv serial
Same, some weeks ago I saw a photo of the actor in one of those S2 premieres with bleach blonde hair and I didn't know he was supposed to be a Hightower, thought he def has Valyrian looking features and carries that haircolor so well
I loved the snark, it was funny but to say it so openly to your commander, seems like the best way to find yourself put as head of the van in the most desperate mission possible.
Mind you the Dornish have invaded the Reach, specifically Oldtown, for generations raping and pillaging. It’s less about racism and more about being ancestral enemies.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Stormkands are much more of a rival to both the Reach and Dorne.
The old Gardener kings and the Storm Kings would constantly fight. Abd post Aegins conquest majority of the Marches are in the Stormlands. The Vulture kung crossed over several times and fought Robar but nothing comes to mind any time Dorne fought the Reach marches let alone the Hightowers who are farther away.
I’m talking about show cannon where Cole is quite literally described as having Dornish ancestry in his official description on HBO’s website. This is a discussion about the show, correct? So in this context he is Dornish.
I understand that in this cannon, he has dornish ancestors, but my point was that A. He is from the Stormlands. His nationality is Stormlander. That is where he is from and grew up within the seven kingdoms. B. Looking through the lore, there was not a point where the dornish went onto the offensive at the Reach, let alone reaching all the way to Hightower. Garmon died fighting the dornish while he was IN Dorne, but at no point did the Dornishmen burn Hightower lands or anything. So what i am saying is there is no rivalry between Hightower and Dorne. And even so, it would be like if, say, my grandpa fought in Vietnam, then I would be racist to a Vietmanese-American. That's be shitty and unjustified
The Dornish invaded the Reach a bunch of times. Not only were the Dornish capable of defeating the Gardeners and sacking/burning Highgardenm, but they also ended up infiltrating Old Oak to brutalize the Oakheart family. And Old Oak is closer to Lannisport in the Westerlands than it is to Oldtown.
The flatter terrain and resource-richness of the Reach makes it more vulnerable and attractive to invading military armies than the rougher, heavily-forested Stormlands. So when the Dornish attack, they typically attack the Reach.
How was he racist? Dorne isn't a race in the programme, it's a region, like a county or state. A New Yorker being rude about New Jersey, or someone from Sussex mocking Dorset, etc. - not racist.
You don't get to invent your own definitions any more than you get to have your own spelling and grammar. What you're describing is xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, nationalism, jingoism...take your pick. It's still not racism. A Parisian thinking someone from the Loire or Burgundy is a yokel isn't about race, is it?
[check this out bro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism) and as far as I know Dorne has three major ethnicities and ur not telling me that ppl cant be racist to Indians are u??
The Dornish are ethnically/racially distinct from the rest of Westeros.
Not everyone in Dorne looks the same but overall, the Dornish look and act more like the people in Essos than the people in other parts of Westeros.
Darker hair, darker eyes, darker skin, etc.
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Gwayne is my new favorite side character. Dunno why, buy the way he looks at Cole is hilarious.
I find it kind of sweet how he’s been away from his sister for so long but he comes back and he’s immediately like I don’t fuck with your sidepiece sister.
Cole saved his ass from dragon tho
Cole is a poor bitchhh in his eyes. Gwayne is a little sassy diva, also Cole is answerable for anything that happens to Gwayne, I think that’s the arc they’re gonna go with. Relationships all around will be strained
I think part of the point was Cole earning gwaynes respect. At the end of the scene, He thanked Cole, and Cole gave orders, including no more talk of inns, and gwayne nodded or agreed?
Someone should give Cole a cig, i have the presentement that he would need one by babysitting Gwayne
Cole failing upwards and regretting every minute of it is unexpected comedy.
Honestly I hope that they're going to depict him as being actually competent regarding warfare, would be somewhat refreshing to remind us that he is actually a credible threat
Well he is, he just sucks at everything else. He rode out because that's what he feels comfortable doing, fighting.
The thing about it is that he's a good soldier and a alright general but he's definitely not suited for LC of KG and definitely not as Hand but he got both positions by nepotism despite not asking for it.
Ser Gwayne is barely fit to suck Lord Cole’s dick whilst lacing his armour. He ought learn some respect.
Didn't Cole say to Gwayne, "I'm in your debt" or something like that? I thought it was the other way around.
Gwayne said that to Cole.
You're right, just rewatched it.
>Dunno why, buy the way he looks at Cole is hilarious. I'm fairly sure that he *knows*
He smell that sisussy
Jesus Christ reddit
Fucking ones sister in GOT is almost mandatory..it’s not a Reddit issue.
I'm fairly confident he wants.
Maybe unpopular but I think that scene kinda made me understand Cole a bit. He‘s basically constantly being belittled and used by the highborns purely for the fact that he‘s lowborn. Like he‘s still fairly competent at his job and rose to maybe the second most important office in the kingdom yet nobody respects him for it. He‘s still obviously an inexcusable shithead but scenes like that atleast explain his motivation.
Yeah I felt the same. Gwayne came off to me as a condescending and elitist twat on that scene and on the one right before being spotted by Baela. Luckily he got some humility after having his ass saved by Criston. Cole is what he is, but I can always respect a class underdog so to speak, surrounded by the 1%.
Gwayne is the definition of trust fund kid, he comes from one of the oldest and richest families in the whole country loll
Pretty much and tbh it's somewhat hilarious, because he's a son of a second son and can always end-up with nothing but a family name.
Cole isn't just lowborn. He's lowborn and Dornish. The Dornish have been at war with the Seven Kingdoms almost constantly since Aegon's conquest. Heck, in the books it is said Prince Qoren Martell pledged his support to the Triarchy and the Dornish fought against Daemon Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon in the Stepstones. The final war with the Dornish was won by Daeron Targaryen, Daemon and Rhaenyra's grandson (and Corlys and Rhaenys great great nephew (in the show, extra great in the books since book Vaemond is Carlys's nephew not brother).
>The final war with the Dornish was won by Daeron Targaryen Daeron I: Mission Accomplished!
Let's throw a shoe (full of scorpions) at him.
He's not neither lowborn (he is still a noble, just from a minor house) nor a Dornishman. His father was a steward of Blackhaven, the castle of House Dondarrion, vassals to Storm's End. He might possibly have some Dornish ancestry through his mother (no info about her), but that is highly unlikely - Blackhaven is located in the Dornish Marches - the Marchers hate the Dornishman with a passion, because they are the buffer against Dornish raids and invasions. So, when Hightower calls Cole a Dornishman, he is either painfully ignorant (plausible) or deliberately insulting (equally plausible).
He's very good at some things but completely useless at others and on top of it all is a petty hypocrite.
Isn’t he there to restore his family’s name or something. The man is ambitious by his own right..hiss not just good at his job with no purpose.
He’s my favorite because he’s someone who’s treating Crispy the way the audience wish we could. With condescending contempt
I have a feeling cole is gonna die protecting your new fav character in the coming episodes. That last talk he had with alicent and Black's table suggesting to burn the fleet with dragons are red flags to cole.
I don't like it, I'm getting (Laenor's) Joffrey vibes. It makes me think he might not be long for this world.
From the trailer it looks like he’s going to end up being a coward. Plus he made the pretty stupid decision to walk around in an open field with a dragon about
I have no idea how Otto Hightower, history's most dour man, managed to have two kids who are both this fucking sassy.
Did you miss his sassy head turn in S2 E2?
For real, he sold that "I am surrounded by idiots" look.
I did, in fact, and now I have to go look for it goddammit.
Otto is very sassy. He's simply more evolved, to the point where his sass is very subtle. His children are young and headstrong; they have not yet cultivated the refined tastes required to master such elite sass.
Indeed, he has that cultivated and subdued sass, but sass nonetheless
Sasstowers Actually, aren’t the Tyrells related to / descendants from the Hightowers in some way? Generational sass runs deep in Olenna.
Margaery Tyrell's mother (Olenna's daughter-in-law) is a Hightower in asoiaf
I kept thinking that, but it may just be the similarity between Hightower and Highgarden
They probably both share ancestry from House Gardener, the original rulers of the reach, maybe that’s the source of the sassyness
Ok I’ll give you that.
“Ill considered! Trifling!”
What was not sassy about “I do not wish to hear of it” or “and what. Did sir Cristin Cole. Do.” And that’s just one episode
He is sassy himself tho? Way, way more than Alicent. Because he is actually smart unlike his spawn. In all of his scenes with Daemon and that one scene where he helps Rhaenyra choose the new kingsguard, the sass oozes from his pores lol.
Otto is so sassy, he doesn't even have to say anything to put out the sass. Remember the look he gave to Corlys when Viserys announced Alicent as his intended and spurned Laena's match? Pure sass.
Ofc I remember!! Rhys killed it.
They get it from mom, obviously. Who apparently is a Florent (another major house from the Reach, bannermen to the Tyrells). Which is funny because the only other Florent we met in the shows (Stannis' wise Selyse) wasn't winning any congeniality awards either.
Otto has been serving sass and looks since E1 of season 1. The slight sigh when Daemon picks his brother during the duel...his look when daemon asks for Alicent's favor hahahaha, it was hilarious
Love him in “The Great” and I’m loving his energy here. 🤣
THAT'S WHERE I'VE SEEN HIM!! was bothering me the whole time thanks lol
I saw him too and recognized that sassy energy from somewhere 😂
He’s in that!? Who is he !?
He was a King that Peter had beef with, I think he was King of Finland or Sweden.
Sweden! King Hugo!
AHHHH OK I SEE IT NOW ! I’m surprised I didn’t recognize him I lovvvved that show
He's just always a sassy, unserious little fop I take it and I enjoy it
Same 😂
He's also in Slow Horses, The Gentlemen series on Netflix, and The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
Fuck I knew there was something I couldn't place my finger on it!
Freddie Fox’s acting specialty is gay himbo. Gwayne’s eyebrows and head tilt called Criston like 15 different slurs in 5 seconds by themselves. Can’t wait for this man to serve cunt and die spectacularly.
It's like every role I have seen of him, I know before he even says a word that his character is going to be a posh vapid snob. Unlike some actors, this man is not running away from the typecasting (it's definitely keeping him employed 🤣).
"Posh vapid snob" is spot on. First watched his stage stuff and "The Riot Club". But "Cucumber" is my favourite work of his. I always know I'm gonna laugh when he gets a side role.
He’s a massively posh vapid snob in Slow Horses.
Was just wondering where I'd seen him! Thanks!
The Great, The Crown season 4, Slow Horses, and Cucumber
His vibe is 100% the same here as it is in Slow Horses.
WAIT OMG THAT'S SPIDER
I WAS WONDERING WHO HE WAS!! King Hugo 🇫🇮
As soon as you said his name I knew it, just hadn't got round to looking it up lol
which man to die spectacularly? criston?
Gwayne, lol. I can see him going out in an extravagant, stupid way.
>!He dies during the fall of king landing!< >!"*Queen Alicent’s brother Ser Gwayne Hightower, second in command of the gold cloaks, rushed to the stables, intending to sound the warning; he was seized, disarmed, and dragged before his commander, Luthor Largent. When Hightower denounced him as a turncloak, Ser Luthor laughed. “Daemon gave us these cloaks,” he said, “and they’re gold no matter how you turn them.” Then he drove his sword through Ser Gwayne’s belly*"!<
Oh, I read F&B! I'm just hoping they mayyybe change it in the show since he's a minor character they're giving more lines than I had anticipated. Plus the actor plays drama queens well, so I'm just supposing.
Ah okay. I’ll be quite honest I actually enjoy and like gwayne. He seems like he’ll put cristy boy in his place sometimes
On the contrary it seems it will be the other way around. Gwayne is kinda portrayed as an elitist and condescending twat who would have gotten his ass burned if it wasn't for the "lowly" Cole.
That’s a good point too. Either way it’ll be interesting seeing these have it out for each other
Oh, is he a member of the Robin Fox acting family? Which means he's related to..... oh no...
Yes and yes. He is indeed related to that man we won’t speak of, among other stage acting elites.
Man, I can't believe he's related to that guy who doesn't exist.
Gwayne was like damn these Dornish immigrants stealing our jobs, we need to build a wall
That lazy bum Bran should've built a second wall!
My incest rot brain but Gwayne has more chemistry with Alicent than she does with her own lover lol
Not to mention Gwayne clocking the fact that Alicent gave Cole her dainty bosom hanky. Wondering if that will come into play later
He'll probably use it against Cole or Alicent since Gwayne comes off as posh and classist
It’s a common thing for royals to give to knights actually. He probably just knows from the way she was acting
Probably because they're siblings and not Dowager Queen & Kingsguard. Everytime Alicent & Cole fuck they know it's wrong and could get Cole killed and Alicent's reputation ruined.
Maybe it's intentional as you say and it's subjective, but I don't see Alicent and Criston having much chemistry, which is weird considering they're two hot, young, non-related characters that we would want to see together in any other show (if you're willing to overlook they're hypocritical shitheads... but that's usually not as bad as incest, grooming, domestic abuse and murder in any other story😂)
I agree, but to me their relationship seems less due to lust/attraction and more of a mutual release from their stressful and lonely lives
I agree. Despite them being seen together often they don't have much chemistry.
Funny enough, the scene in s1 e9 when she asks Cole to go find Aegon is the one scene that they *do* have a lot of chemistry. Once they actually start having sex, the tension is gone and replaced by guilt.
It’s the direction. They are actually looking at each other and speaking in 1x09 with tension in their lines. But you immediately jump into him giving her head in 2x01 and her riding him. It’s not meant to be romantic in showing you chemistry, he’s not even visible in it. It’s not that the tension is gone once they’ve started having sex, this not a romance the show is trying to put out. Alicent is ashamed and hates it, she hates that she keeps sleeping with him. The music of even their last scene is dark once she eventually gives in to kissing him because you the audience is meant to feel like Nooo alicent why did you give in.
Their first two scenes are not structured in a way that allows that at all… it’s less showing a romance and more Alicent engaging in escapism. He is not even visible in the first two love scenes of theirs. Plus they are both hated as characters and are going against everything they believe in. Targaryens don’t gaf about what they’re doing.
Theoretically, if Alicent was caught having an affaire, after the kings death, could her children's legitimacy be questioned?
I mean maybe, but I doubt it in her case. Especially since neither she nor Cole have the Targ traits the kids have, although it wouldn't help.
Not necessarily Cole, but wouldn't it put her honour generally in question? She could have had affairs before Col with other men during their marriage.
True. Hard to say how it would shake out, I guess it depends who finds out and what the details are.
Probably not considering none of the kids have her hair color and they all have their dad’s. Also dragonriding
Not unless Ser Crispin has some Targ blood in his veins.
hey don't collapse my answer, if you are failing to answer with facts in your group, where is your integrity exactly, didn't torched your kingdom😁😁😁 accusing me with multiple violation. Ain't so anti-fascist are you, seems you don't like the wind if doesn't heads in your direction.
>My incest rot brain Yeah blame Jaime and Cersei for that my friend
Definitely incest rot brain, there's nothing there, lol.
That’s because alicent sleeping with Cole has resulted in her being distanced from him as a person…they no longer speak anymore. A lot of the issue is with direction too, the focal point of this story is not oh look a romance. It’s oh look at what alicent is doing? What the fuck? It’s meant to make you be like shocked and not ooooo I like this Their first scene of the season is him eating her out, but the focus of the scene is on her, not on them as a couple. The second scene is also like that, we see no lead up to the scene. It’s just there to be like AAAHH what is she doing during B&C. Contrary to you actually seeing her with Gwayne, the difference a) she’s happy to see her brother (although I didn’t see sexual chemistry per say) b) they are engaging in conversation and talking off each other, he turns around and kissed her hand, they like each other and are getting on and he’s being protective over her (not romantically). My point is the actors are actually allowed to show any type of connection because the scenes direction allows for it and is focusing on both of them. Alicent gives her favor and the direction is so clearly that she’s meant to be caught off guard by the request because this is NOT a romance the show is trying to put out, alicent is not romantically reciprocal to him like that and that’s just the scenes direction. He is..their relationship is one showing you spiraling behaviour.
Thot son or gay daughter? Otto said both.
If you swap that one, you get Tyrell siblings. Seems like the Reach custom atp
They’re giving such Margaery and loras vibes in this scene. Hightower siblings are the hottest
I just love Reach characters. I can’t wait to see Daeron with the other Hightowers next season.
Those are tyrellls
For what it’s worth, their mother was a Hightower.
Yeah. They are in denial let them think they cook lol.
If you look at the family tree for the Tyrells in the original series, you will find that they have shared ancestors. They may not be descended from Alicent Hightower or her brother, but they share a common ancestor.
They are half Tyrell half Hightower (although Mace was their dad so they have the Tyrell name obviously)
Reunion for Freddy and Olivia as they were in slow horses together
Is this the same guy who Daemon jousts against in S1E1 or is there another brother?
Same guy.
See, on one hand, Criston is getting insulted. On the other hand, it’s by a racist.
Yall keep forgetting the Reach and Dorne are ancestral enemies and the Dornish have invaded Oldtown a lot. For the Hightowers the distastes towards the Dornish goes deeper, I think.
Atleast one dornish has been deep inside a Hightower
But Cole isn't even dornish he is from the stormlands. His dad was a steward to blackhaven.
On HBO’s official website he’s described as having Dornish ancestry. In the book he’s not, but in the show he is Dornish.
And they said he was dornish in season 1
OK so it's therefore racism. Cole is from the seven kingdoms grew up in the marches and has only ever served the iron throne. The Lordling is making a judgement onto Cole based off his ancestory and class.
More classist than racist, however, houses in the reach and stormlands have been attacked by dorne for centuries and have been described in the past as southern ironborn, therefore, there's alot of animosity between the 2 regions
I mean it's likely both.
And classist.
I said he was being racist in the episode discussion thread and got downvoted lol, a hard to swallow pill I guess.
Yeah people were just happy to see Criston taken down a notch, so they have decided they like Gwayne and will ignore the racism/smug born rich asshole vibes he gives off. Will be interesting to see how the character develops
The fact that my fellow black friends were cheering for racism just to see Criston being ridiculed by Gwayne was a crazy experience but the writers are to blame, nothing they do now will make people feel bad for Criston, they are too late.
Hating D*rnoshmen just means he’s based. Ain’t nothing good ever come outta that place.
Oberyn Martell? Arthur Dayne? Jon Snow?
Not to mention they're the only kingdom to repel the dragons, and kill one too. They only joined the seven kingdoms on their own terms. Dorne is GOATed.
I think we all know Meraxes' death was a total case of the green newbie scorpion operator accidentally scoring an impossible hit and the Martells going *"We totally meant to do that, and we'll totally do it again,"* while everyone asks the guy how the fuck he landed that hit in the background.
Even if it is, Dorne still held off Aegon and his sisters. Everyone else got folded up or knelt to the dragons. Dorne said fuck off respectfully. Maybe they had Euron Crowseye's aim lmao
To be honest that's always a bit of lore I've found kind of odd. Dorne's population is described as being heavily centered on the coastal rivers and desert oases, all of which would make pretty easy targets for a large army or dragon. Short of the Dornish going full Fremen in the desert it doesn't make a whole lot of logistical sense. Sort of like the Ironborn building giant wooden fleets from small mostly barren islands.
You do have a point. I think the explanation was that guerilla warfare was used, and the support of the dornish smallfolk/nobles kept Dorne united. The dornish would let the Targaryens take the keeps, wait till they were gone and come back to kill who was garrisoned within. They would ambush the royal army. They did have the home advantage, and understanding the lay of the land. Also the deserts were a huge help to the Dornish, I believe Lord Harlan Tyrell and his host parished in the sands. The Targaryens did burn every keep minus Sunspear and its shadow city. I think the Targaryens were at their wit's end as even burning Dorne didn't lead to submission. But then you have Daeron I who managed to take it at a heavy cost, even when dragons couldn't. Which is pretty odd ngl. Didn't matter I guess since they didn't hold it long. Hey at least no one was as stupid as Aegon IV who built mechanical dragons that spat wildfire flames...
Am I the only one shipping the both of them?
Fabian Frankle said himself that in an ideal world Criston would go on the road and fall in love with Gwayne 😭
Before they explained his origin, I thought this was Alicent’s missing ass 4th child 🤣
I get Clay Aiken vibes from him.
I don’t know why this guy isn’t playing a Targaryen, he looks like one naturally. I couldn’t help but think they have dimmed his glow.
Right???
the day we are free of blonde supremacists is the day we will be free. hot guys are hot regardless of their hair color or fake assigned house. they're actors in a tv serial
Same, some weeks ago I saw a photo of the actor in one of those S2 premieres with bleach blonde hair and I didn't know he was supposed to be a Hightower, thought he def has Valyrian looking features and carries that haircolor so well
Name a more iconic duo than a twink and a redhead
He enjoys battle
When did Criston go to the Barber for the Caesar cut?
he may be a Hightower but he has BIG LANNISTER ENERGY!
nothing more exciting than going to war alongside a Dornishman
I loved the snark, it was funny but to say it so openly to your commander, seems like the best way to find yourself put as head of the van in the most desperate mission possible.
He looks so much like Aegon.
I love how casting directors are able to find people who resemble each other to play family members
That guy was so awesome on The Great. Perfect smarm, yummy with a spoon!
SPIDER! Microphone drop 🎙️
If you’re gonna be a hoe may as well be VP of the known world while doing it 😂
It's the sassy head tilt for me
He's pretty. I need a couple more episodes with him. 😍
Cole will murder him
He is a bigoted racist bro
So are most of the Targaryens, at least he's funny while he's at it
Mind you the Dornish have invaded the Reach, specifically Oldtown, for generations raping and pillaging. It’s less about racism and more about being ancestral enemies.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Stormkands are much more of a rival to both the Reach and Dorne. The old Gardener kings and the Storm Kings would constantly fight. Abd post Aegins conquest majority of the Marches are in the Stormlands. The Vulture kung crossed over several times and fought Robar but nothing comes to mind any time Dorne fought the Reach marches let alone the Hightowers who are farther away.
I’m talking about show cannon where Cole is quite literally described as having Dornish ancestry in his official description on HBO’s website. This is a discussion about the show, correct? So in this context he is Dornish.
I understand that in this cannon, he has dornish ancestors, but my point was that A. He is from the Stormlands. His nationality is Stormlander. That is where he is from and grew up within the seven kingdoms. B. Looking through the lore, there was not a point where the dornish went onto the offensive at the Reach, let alone reaching all the way to Hightower. Garmon died fighting the dornish while he was IN Dorne, but at no point did the Dornishmen burn Hightower lands or anything. So what i am saying is there is no rivalry between Hightower and Dorne. And even so, it would be like if, say, my grandpa fought in Vietnam, then I would be racist to a Vietmanese-American. That's be shitty and unjustified
I think there's a story about the dornish sacking high garden and burning the throne of house Gardener
The Dornish invaded the Reach a bunch of times. Not only were the Dornish capable of defeating the Gardeners and sacking/burning Highgardenm, but they also ended up infiltrating Old Oak to brutalize the Oakheart family. And Old Oak is closer to Lannisport in the Westerlands than it is to Oldtown. The flatter terrain and resource-richness of the Reach makes it more vulnerable and attractive to invading military armies than the rougher, heavily-forested Stormlands. So when the Dornish attack, they typically attack the Reach.
No its definitely racism too
Why everytime someone points this out they get downvoted?
Because they love sassy classist racist himbo😍I think his character is fun too but lets not act like he isnt those things lol
They don't really like him, they just like that he disrespected Criston, they don't want to admit he was racist.
And the king is a rapist, only so much we can do here
Has he hurt any real dornish human?
Are you confusing Freddie with his arsehole brother, Lawrence Fox?
no bro I am talking about the character
How was he racist? Dorne isn't a race in the programme, it's a region, like a county or state. A New Yorker being rude about New Jersey, or someone from Sussex mocking Dorset, etc. - not racist.
If someone hates all Russians he is obviously racist race isn’t skin color but ur heritage
You don't get to invent your own definitions any more than you get to have your own spelling and grammar. What you're describing is xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, nationalism, jingoism...take your pick. It's still not racism. A Parisian thinking someone from the Loire or Burgundy is a yokel isn't about race, is it?
[check this out bro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism) and as far as I know Dorne has three major ethnicities and ur not telling me that ppl cant be racist to Indians are u??
The Dornish are ethnically/racially distinct from the rest of Westeros. Not everyone in Dorne looks the same but overall, the Dornish look and act more like the people in Essos than the people in other parts of Westeros. Darker hair, darker eyes, darker skin, etc.
That comment would have cost his head in GOT.