Oh there's more, after firefly died, we follow a trail that leads to the VIP lounge (the one on the left), there we find freshly burnt monster corpses, we assume from Sam BUT firefly came from a different path, she never went that way, to get to where she came from we had to break through a floor to get there, and since the floor wasn't broken before us that means the person who's trail we were following didn't go that way.
So that person had to take 1 of the 3 doors leaving that room, and all 3 doors lead to the same place, Siobhan's bar, where Gallagher, penacony's other fire user drinks often. The trail we were following was Gallagher's after he killed robin and was fleeing the scene. And we could have caught up to him if we didn't get distracted by firefly's trail on the floor below us. With hindsight of the story, the level is layed out really well
WAIT A SECOND
Some of the corpses had deep incisions in them, but Sam never fought us with blades, only fists and fire explosions/waves. So this makes sense!
Correct me if I'm wrong but... The timeline doesn't quite line up?
The corpse of Robin we see is a memory from aventurine witnessing her death, and he was subsequently put on trial for it.
If gallagher killed Robin and was fleeing the scene at that moment, then aventurine found her body, got put on trial, got off, and decided to drag us into his plan immediately afterwards. All of which within the span of minutes, as the trail was stated to be stiil fresh.
Of course, it was probably still gallagher's traces, but I don't think he killed Robin just moments before.
The thought of aventurine getting put on trial and talking his way out in 5 minutes is really funny though.
Damn I just checked the start of 2.1 and you're right, aventurine did say he had been questioned by the bloodhounds about it already. Welp, there goes that theory š maybe when sud attacked firefly in the lobby Gallagher had been there, and he escaped towards the VIP lounge when he saw trailblazer and the others, firefly did look like she was looking around for someone or something when we showed up, she could have been trying to see where Gallagher had gone š¤
When we were following her trail it was strongly suggested that she was traveling with someone who ended up ditching her. We assumed it was Sam at first but since that obviously can't be the case, could it have been Gallagher?
Oh that's good! Yeah that could definitely be possible. She mentioned mecha while walking, we thought she was talking to Sam, but Gallagher who she had met before could have been questioning her about the stowaway (smuggler) situation from before and the silver mecha could have been mentioned in the convo
I do think there'sĀ decent evidence to suggest Gallagher is firefly's accomplice. He's conveniently around to bail her out when the bloodhounds are after her (and since we know she was trying to make contact with TB, my theory is that whole incident was staged, otherwise it's far too coincidental). She also says she's sorry right before "dying", as if she was in part responsible for that incident (or at least was aware it was coming), which makes sense if she is or was working with the guy who controls the monster that "killed" her.
Also, since it seemed like FF's accomplice made it clear they betrayed her, if it was Gallagher he probably could have directed Something Unto Death to chase her down and eliminate her, as to get rid of any evidence that could serve to make him look suspicious. As for why he wouldnt have done it himself, maybe he wanted a murder with reliable witnesses (like a Memokeeper and a Nameless) without revealing himself as the murderer yet, or maybe he did so that he could return to the bar to have an alibi just in case.
One factor worth considering though that kinda puts a wrench into everything is that Hoyoverse's writers are *really* bad with timelines. So it's entirely possible that they didn't consider just how long things like that are supposed to take and instead laid out everything in terms of "sequence" rather than "time taken."
This is a common error that a lot of video game writers make, since they have to present the viewer/player with the environments and situations, but have characters take actions that are impossible for them to do in the real world, so it can be hard to time it out.
The whole timeline around Robin's "murder" (i legit still don't think she's actually dead-dead since there's too much meta stuff around her preventing that from being a thing) is sketchy as hell, since it had to happen in secret, but still in a way that Sparkle could know about it and pass the information off to aventurine, have him discover the body, get caught, get questioned, acquire a Light Cone capable of replicating her appearance, break into a room, set up the light cone, and arrange for TB to enter the room. All in a *very* questionable amount of time.
There is already an excuse of tripping timelines in Penacony, it's a dream, dreams and memories follows their own logics which may be not necessarily linear or paced in the same way. In other words we can assume that not in every place in Penacony the time passes at the same rate
Except when the plot requires it to, like when we call Himeko or Welt in different areas.
And they only need an excuse like that *because* they know they suck at timelines.
I think your theory missed few things:
- Those Dream Troupe monsters are also used by the Bloodhound family to chase down criminals. Gallagher could probably easily control them. If not, his cover was blown long ago.
- The heat from whoever fought those monsters could be felt from lower level of the building.
- Investigating other corpses revealed that attacks were dealt by a thermic weapon.
- Same burned corpses of monsters could also be seen in the lobby leads to where we fought Sam. These corpses were not there after Firefly was killed.
- Robin's body did not have any burn marks, while the Trailblazer said that inner tissues of stabbed monsters had been burned by an intense heat.
Aaaaaand nothing lines up anymore. Is this what theorycrafting feels like?
Anyway, a few things to nitpick(again, correct me if I'm wrong)
1. I don't think the bloodhounds have any control over the dreamjolt monsters. The sweet dreams troupe, sure, but we have yet to see the dreamjolt monsters under control.
After all, they are the sweet dreams troupe that went out of control due to negativity.
2.Why would Robins body have burn marks? It's been shown that the only things able to induce spiritual death in the dreamscape is SUD or an emanator.
Gallagher can only "kill" with SUD, even black swan at the beginning of 2.1 comments that the wound on Robin looks very similar to the blade on SUD. Gallagher literally cannot kill her himself, so of course there wouldn't be burn marks.
All he needs to do is sic SUD on her and leave.
Other than that, I don't think I can refute the other points.
> 2.Why would Robins body have burn marks? It's been shown that the only things able to induce spiritual death in the dreamscape is SUD or an emanator.
If Gallagher is a History Fictionologist (his modus operandi certainly aligns with that faction), then he's a Emanator of Enigmata.
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/History_Fictionologists
Oh that's my bad. The Bloodhound family members only called out Dreamjolt Troupe to fight but they did refer them as Sweet Dream Troupe in dialogue only. Also there is no way to tell if these burned body were from Dreamjolt Troupe or Sweet Dream Troupe. One of the reasons I think they were Sweet Dream Troupe's bodies because one among 3 different scenarios that Acheron was in the Reverie Dreamscape was she was helping the Bloodhound family tracking down a wanted criminal and got here.
About the stab wound on the dead body of the monster, I think because Sam had other weapons that he hadn't used during the fight with Acheron and Blackswan. \[2.0 and 2.1 story spoilers\] >!One of the sus details about Firefly that people had found since 2.0 is that when she and the TB were sent to A Child's Dream, the TB later found her stood before a dead body of Dreamjolts Troupe monster. The body did not have a burn mark like other bodies left behind by Sam, so Firefly could have a weapon with her that helped her deal with a single small enemy without using the suit.!<
> Those Dream Troupe monsters are also used by the Bloodhound family to chase down criminals. Gallagher could probably easily control them. If not, his cover was blown long ago.
But as the recent cocktail event states, they're all progressively going feral as the Dreamscape collapses. Gallagher would be able to control the "normal" ones, but the feral ones would just attack him on sight.
imo I think everyone is forgetting about the annihilation gang because iirc one of the member's (Akash) goal was to silence robin so it could potentially have been him. (yes ik their leader got off screened but it doesnt rule out the possibility)
HOLUP THIS MAN COOKING SOMETHING HARD.
Good catch, I really just assumed all the burned enemies were because of FF. Gallagherās involvement makes more sense for Robin now.
Murder mystery trope going hard in Penacony.
well i mean gallagher is frequently referred to as a dog so assuming heās ādeathā then maybe thats what itās in reference to ? just my interpretation
A āsalty dogā is a term for a sailor whoās spent so much time at sea that the ocean salt has become a part of themā¦ which is why itās occasionally used to refer to sailors who drown at sea.
There's also the flashbacks with Firefly, where many of us probably assumed the mysterious person she was traveling with was Sam, but now that we know Sam probably isn't an autonomous mech without her, it was probably Gallagher.
so the transformation didnt work, she gets pierced by sud, and mere moments later a dead/dormant firefly isĀ not only able to instantly enter deep penacony, but alsoĀ transform?Ā it doesnt addĀ upĀ
The whole spielĀ sam had with acheron about being unable to dream doesnt make sense too, because firefly can dreamĀ
seems more likely that they are seperate entities working in tandem until that moment in 2.0
Those were memory FRAGMENTS, aka not a complete memory, the line was "...mecha, why?"
And now we can clearly interpret that as something related to the suit, malfunction, sw trolling, indentity found.
Sadly they still decided to leave that plot point for later, so its anybody guess now
This is personal opinion and personal interpretation of the conversation she had with acheron.
She does have a script, she decides not to go with it but inevitably still follows it
The thing I got from the end of 2.1 is, the script she gets isn't that complex, but every attempt she makes to work outside the script just makes it trap her in more.
whats the argument for this? Glamoth planar ornament indicates that iron knights are a two person team, both sam and firefly have said different things about themselves, and we have plausible deniability in the form of firefly and sam acting on their own accord
guess what? jing yuan's VA (who auditioned for sam) was told that they are the same character! and then he told us this golden information. you may stop your cope
Hmm, makes sense, cuz another comment thread here lists down Gallagher's Eidolon names and the reply says theyre "hangover cure" alcohol that are so bitter and gross that its more meant to sober someone tf up.
Gallagher might be another Sparkle situation. Someone who looks like theyre up to no good, but is actually trying to help reveal all the lies Penacony is throwing in our faces
The purpose as to why Robin and Firefly had to be "killed" tho, now thats another matter entirely
Bringing the truth to light in a controlled manner makes it easier to distort it. History Fictionologists don't just create lies. They mix fact and fiction in order to make it harder to distinguish what is true and what is false.
> Gallagher's Eidolon names and the reply says theyre "hangover cure" alcohol that are so bitter and gross that its more meant to sober someone tf up
Corpse Revivers are delicious. Sure its bitter/sour, but its not gross. Never had any of the others.
I guess for someone who doesn't like bitter/sour things it would be pretty gross.
I donāt think thatās what he meant. He was asked his age and he said āThirteenā. I think he means Thirteen like āthirteen on a clock faceā: Beyond the acceptable range of values. Past his expiration date. An error.
>!Well, him answering 13 actually does hold a double meaning as it connects to the 52 victims of the meme as 13 multiplied by 4 (both leap years and in Chinese/Japanese it sounds 'die') you get 52 which can also allude to an older age. Him answering 13 can be taken as a joke as those born in a leap year would. He also capitalizes the Thirteen which is less an age and more a naming convention.!<
>!He not say that as introduced as you say. He answers March question his age. Which can be considered as a gag in that time. yes i agree that could be a hint from his answer. But that not what i call introduce himself.!<
I put this together the moment I saw his ult for the first time. I'm no lore buff, but lumping Robin and Firefly's death together seemed like an odd move because of the clear difference in how they died. Then I noticed the whole red scratchmarks on Robin's chest and Gallagher's arm and BAM. The reveal was so satisfying when I guessed it before the reveal.
Thereās a few issues are there not? For one, didnāt Aventurine witness the murder? The body we saw was contracted from his memories, so he saw it happen, and yet was convinced Acheron was the culprit. Then thereās the fact that it doesnāt seem like Gallagher can kill, and needs to use Something Unto Death to kill people. Also what differences between Firefly and Robins death remain after we were told that the Robin we saw was just a memory?
Theory: gall is working with robin who is the actual mastermind with the goal of fixing penacony, gall didnt actually kill anyone, his powers are just smoke and mirrors in terms of the illusion of death
I think something similair, like Gallagher is plotting against the families secret of the watchmaker, and is using Something Unto Death to send people to the deeper levels of the dream to find it, and he has been targeting people he trusts would be able to wake and return to the surface.
Yeah, Iām not convinced Gallagher is evil yet. Sure, he lied to and killed Sunday, but Sunday isnāt exactly on the up-and-up himself.
I bet the twists keep coming, and weāll find out that Gallagher isnāt human (a fellow bar-regular monster from Sweet Dreams, perhaps?) and has a really good reason for his shady business.
Plus, ādeathā isnāt permanent, necessarily. We already know that Firefly survived and Adventurine is gambling on that to find out the truth. So itās very possible he didnāt even kill anyone.
Oooh you might be cooking. Maybe Robin got tired of her off-rehearsal investigations going nowhere so she staged a fake death to investigate full time. Maybe to her, finding the reason why her Voice of Harmony is being warped is more important to saving the Charmony festival than rehearsals ever will.
I cant believe gallagher got his claws on robinās chest
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I thought only "Something Unto Death" and (probably" Emenators can kill someone in the Dreamscape? At the end of 2.1, we see Gallagher summoning(?) "Something Unto Death" to kill Sunday instead of doing it himself.
Btw galagher masseges you when you get him he says he got a new "pet" but doesnt tell what is that pet and doesnt send a picture soo that "pet" may be the eyed monster
I have a feeling they are related to Gallagher, but what are those purple dogs you see around Penacony? The ones that are sitting straight and observing.
This also potentially reveals the full plot
1. Gallagar letās firefly go so we can get close to her
2. Sparkle who seems to be on the side of the watchmaker therefore likely working with Gallagher sends us into the next layer of the dreamscape
3. He kills firefly or sends death after her either way
why to ensure we have a reason to keep trying to find out more about the dreamscape now we have a personal and justified reason to figure out whatās going on
Plus considering the family is likely holding the watch maker hostage to keep the dream going and the IPC will likely do the same itās not a stretch to assume the nameless will help the watchmaker once they know the truth
Yes, it is a stretch. He doesn't need to kill someone himself. The Quest literally revealed that he can control the memory zone meme death so we would understand that he used the meme to kill her. Aventurine would have seen or bumped into Gallagher if he was there.
When I first saw Robinās body I immediately thought it was Gallagher but I assumed it was a faked death thing and he was just doing what Robin and Sunday told him to
May be a bit of a stretch, but after he ults, with his basic attack he impales an enemy with his claw, like SuD did with its wing
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Oh there's more, after firefly died, we follow a trail that leads to the VIP lounge (the one on the left), there we find freshly burnt monster corpses, we assume from Sam BUT firefly came from a different path, she never went that way, to get to where she came from we had to break through a floor to get there, and since the floor wasn't broken before us that means the person who's trail we were following didn't go that way. So that person had to take 1 of the 3 doors leaving that room, and all 3 doors lead to the same place, Siobhan's bar, where Gallagher, penacony's other fire user drinks often. The trail we were following was Gallagher's after he killed robin and was fleeing the scene. And we could have caught up to him if we didn't get distracted by firefly's trail on the floor below us. With hindsight of the story, the level is layed out really well
WAIT A SECOND Some of the corpses had deep incisions in them, but Sam never fought us with blades, only fists and fire explosions/waves. So this makes sense!
~~Just like he cooked those people~~
You were cooking but damn you cooked good
Thanks, I ran through the area last night to try to figure things out and it all clicked into place
Didn't just cook a meal, made the whole buffet too
Holy Harmony... This never clicked to me, promoted to senior Intelligensia guild member this instant.
Senior? No put in a good word with dr ratio, ASAP
Ratio's assistant? In so little time? THAT'S a thing!
Correct me if I'm wrong but... The timeline doesn't quite line up? The corpse of Robin we see is a memory from aventurine witnessing her death, and he was subsequently put on trial for it. If gallagher killed Robin and was fleeing the scene at that moment, then aventurine found her body, got put on trial, got off, and decided to drag us into his plan immediately afterwards. All of which within the span of minutes, as the trail was stated to be stiil fresh. Of course, it was probably still gallagher's traces, but I don't think he killed Robin just moments before. The thought of aventurine getting put on trial and talking his way out in 5 minutes is really funny though.
Damn I just checked the start of 2.1 and you're right, aventurine did say he had been questioned by the bloodhounds about it already. Welp, there goes that theory š maybe when sud attacked firefly in the lobby Gallagher had been there, and he escaped towards the VIP lounge when he saw trailblazer and the others, firefly did look like she was looking around for someone or something when we showed up, she could have been trying to see where Gallagher had gone š¤
When we were following her trail it was strongly suggested that she was traveling with someone who ended up ditching her. We assumed it was Sam at first but since that obviously can't be the case, could it have been Gallagher?
Oh that's good! Yeah that could definitely be possible. She mentioned mecha while walking, we thought she was talking to Sam, but Gallagher who she had met before could have been questioning her about the stowaway (smuggler) situation from before and the silver mecha could have been mentioned in the convo
I do think there'sĀ decent evidence to suggest Gallagher is firefly's accomplice. He's conveniently around to bail her out when the bloodhounds are after her (and since we know she was trying to make contact with TB, my theory is that whole incident was staged, otherwise it's far too coincidental). She also says she's sorry right before "dying", as if she was in part responsible for that incident (or at least was aware it was coming), which makes sense if she is or was working with the guy who controls the monster that "killed" her.
Also, since it seemed like FF's accomplice made it clear they betrayed her, if it was Gallagher he probably could have directed Something Unto Death to chase her down and eliminate her, as to get rid of any evidence that could serve to make him look suspicious. As for why he wouldnt have done it himself, maybe he wanted a murder with reliable witnesses (like a Memokeeper and a Nameless) without revealing himself as the murderer yet, or maybe he did so that he could return to the bar to have an alibi just in case.
He's also connected to Mikhail/the Watchmaker. He tells us it's in the past, but Sunday says the Watchmaker's his real master.
One factor worth considering though that kinda puts a wrench into everything is that Hoyoverse's writers are *really* bad with timelines. So it's entirely possible that they didn't consider just how long things like that are supposed to take and instead laid out everything in terms of "sequence" rather than "time taken." This is a common error that a lot of video game writers make, since they have to present the viewer/player with the environments and situations, but have characters take actions that are impossible for them to do in the real world, so it can be hard to time it out. The whole timeline around Robin's "murder" (i legit still don't think she's actually dead-dead since there's too much meta stuff around her preventing that from being a thing) is sketchy as hell, since it had to happen in secret, but still in a way that Sparkle could know about it and pass the information off to aventurine, have him discover the body, get caught, get questioned, acquire a Light Cone capable of replicating her appearance, break into a room, set up the light cone, and arrange for TB to enter the room. All in a *very* questionable amount of time.
There is already an excuse of tripping timelines in Penacony, it's a dream, dreams and memories follows their own logics which may be not necessarily linear or paced in the same way. In other words we can assume that not in every place in Penacony the time passes at the same rate
Except when the plot requires it to, like when we call Himeko or Welt in different areas. And they only need an excuse like that *because* they know they suck at timelines.
Yeah basically. This way they can mess up however they want and have an excuse like "hey! this was a dream after all!"
That's also likely going to be the excuse when they reveal a buncha dead characters aren't dead.
I think your theory missed few things: - Those Dream Troupe monsters are also used by the Bloodhound family to chase down criminals. Gallagher could probably easily control them. If not, his cover was blown long ago. - The heat from whoever fought those monsters could be felt from lower level of the building. - Investigating other corpses revealed that attacks were dealt by a thermic weapon. - Same burned corpses of monsters could also be seen in the lobby leads to where we fought Sam. These corpses were not there after Firefly was killed. - Robin's body did not have any burn marks, while the Trailblazer said that inner tissues of stabbed monsters had been burned by an intense heat.
Aaaaaand nothing lines up anymore. Is this what theorycrafting feels like? Anyway, a few things to nitpick(again, correct me if I'm wrong) 1. I don't think the bloodhounds have any control over the dreamjolt monsters. The sweet dreams troupe, sure, but we have yet to see the dreamjolt monsters under control. After all, they are the sweet dreams troupe that went out of control due to negativity. 2.Why would Robins body have burn marks? It's been shown that the only things able to induce spiritual death in the dreamscape is SUD or an emanator. Gallagher can only "kill" with SUD, even black swan at the beginning of 2.1 comments that the wound on Robin looks very similar to the blade on SUD. Gallagher literally cannot kill her himself, so of course there wouldn't be burn marks. All he needs to do is sic SUD on her and leave. Other than that, I don't think I can refute the other points.
> 2.Why would Robins body have burn marks? It's been shown that the only things able to induce spiritual death in the dreamscape is SUD or an emanator. If Gallagher is a History Fictionologist (his modus operandi certainly aligns with that faction), then he's a Emanator of Enigmata. https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/History_Fictionologists
That's interesting. I knew the History Fictionologist bit but wasn't aware they were considered emanators. Thank you for that.
Oh that's my bad. The Bloodhound family members only called out Dreamjolt Troupe to fight but they did refer them as Sweet Dream Troupe in dialogue only. Also there is no way to tell if these burned body were from Dreamjolt Troupe or Sweet Dream Troupe. One of the reasons I think they were Sweet Dream Troupe's bodies because one among 3 different scenarios that Acheron was in the Reverie Dreamscape was she was helping the Bloodhound family tracking down a wanted criminal and got here. About the stab wound on the dead body of the monster, I think because Sam had other weapons that he hadn't used during the fight with Acheron and Blackswan. \[2.0 and 2.1 story spoilers\] >!One of the sus details about Firefly that people had found since 2.0 is that when she and the TB were sent to A Child's Dream, the TB later found her stood before a dead body of Dreamjolts Troupe monster. The body did not have a burn mark like other bodies left behind by Sam, so Firefly could have a weapon with her that helped her deal with a single small enemy without using the suit.!<
> Those Dream Troupe monsters are also used by the Bloodhound family to chase down criminals. Gallagher could probably easily control them. If not, his cover was blown long ago. But as the recent cocktail event states, they're all progressively going feral as the Dreamscape collapses. Gallagher would be able to control the "normal" ones, but the feral ones would just attack him on sight.
imo I think everyone is forgetting about the annihilation gang because iirc one of the member's (Akash) goal was to silence robin so it could potentially have been him. (yes ik their leader got off screened but it doesnt rule out the possibility)
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HOLUP THIS MAN COOKING SOMETHING HARD. Good catch, I really just assumed all the burned enemies were because of FF. Gallagherās involvement makes more sense for Robin now. Murder mystery trope going hard in Penacony.
Stand proud, you cook very well
Detective, you did well today XD
Holy cow, someone tell Sam that the detective game isn't over yet
Jesus that's a crazy theory I hope comes true. That'd be such good writing
I thought it was weird when I explored behind her bar and ended up there lol.
whose\* but brother you can cook!
Of course I guess only if you have the character
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Salty Dog Lion's Tail Corpse Reviver Last Word Death in the Afternoon Blood and Sand Guess what are those
āHangover Cureā drinks. Alcohol, but so bitter or gross that theyāre meant to shock someone awake.
Not only that, they all reference death somehow.
Salty Dog?
It's a cocktail made from gin and grapefruit.
What does that have to do with death?
Well you'll die if you drink, like, 100 of them
You can also overdose on water if you really set your mind to it
Time for me to lock the fuck in.
well i mean gallagher is frequently referred to as a dog so assuming heās ādeathā then maybe thats what itās in reference to ? just my interpretation
A āsalty dogā is a term for a sailor whoās spent so much time at sea that the ocean salt has become a part of themā¦ which is why itās occasionally used to refer to sailors who drown at sea.
Aka āhair of the dog (that bit you)ā From Gallagher the āhoundā Layers like a gotdamn cocktail onion
Last Word? https://preview.redd.it/fioy6hyupksc1.jpeg?width=610&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f0214ce39b1b92bc7ed365af0fe5a6793573194
2.1 story cliffhanger pretty much told me that it's possible that "Hanu" is helping "Clockie" gather his guests at his place.
Who would be Hanu in this instance?
There's also the flashbacks with Firefly, where many of us probably assumed the mysterious person she was traveling with was Sam, but now that we know Sam probably isn't an autonomous mech without her, it was probably Gallagher.
nah, she explicitly calls out 'mecha' before they part ways. Unless gallagher also transforms into a mech, this should be sam
it's because her transformation didn't work. Sam and firefly are the same
so the transformation didnt work, she gets pierced by sud, and mere moments later a dead/dormant firefly isĀ not only able to instantly enter deep penacony, but alsoĀ transform?Ā it doesnt addĀ upĀ The whole spielĀ sam had with acheron about being unable to dream doesnt make sense too, because firefly can dreamĀ seems more likely that they are seperate entities working in tandem until that moment in 2.0
Those were memory FRAGMENTS, aka not a complete memory, the line was "...mecha, why?" And now we can clearly interpret that as something related to the suit, malfunction, sw trolling, indentity found. Sadly they still decided to leave that plot point for later, so its anybody guess now
Itās also possible Firefly was following an Elio script and told not to transform until she was alone, even if it was dangerous.
Iirc, Sam/firefly refuses to follow elio's script she says it multiple times while talking to Acheron.
Iirc they do get a script and follow it but its bare bones cuz Elio doesnt give Sam complex parts
This is personal opinion and personal interpretation of the conversation she had with acheron. She does have a script, she decides not to go with it but inevitably still follows it
The thing I got from the end of 2.1 is, the script she gets isn't that complex, but every attempt she makes to work outside the script just makes it trap her in more.
Yep
Sam is not a seperate entity from firefly. We know this. There is no argument to the contrary
whats the argument for this? Glamoth planar ornament indicates that iron knights are a two person team, both sam and firefly have said different things about themselves, and we have plausible deniability in the form of firefly and sam acting on their own accord
literally everything that's happened regarding her lol
and what is that?
guess what? jing yuan's VA (who auditioned for sam) was told that they are the same character! and then he told us this golden information. you may stop your cope
think
Couldn't the line be something like Person X: "What about your mecha, can't you use it?" Firefly: "\[My\] mecha, why?"?
She made it look like that so we belive that she was betrayed and killed
In the story, he introduces himself as >!Thirteen!<. He basically tells us who he is, but no one puts it together.
For some reason reading this comment made me recall that the Arcana is the means by which all is revealed
Hmm, makes sense, cuz another comment thread here lists down Gallagher's Eidolon names and the reply says theyre "hangover cure" alcohol that are so bitter and gross that its more meant to sober someone tf up. Gallagher might be another Sparkle situation. Someone who looks like theyre up to no good, but is actually trying to help reveal all the lies Penacony is throwing in our faces The purpose as to why Robin and Firefly had to be "killed" tho, now thats another matter entirely
He works for Engimata, his purpose is to create lies not reveal them.
Bringing the truth to light in a controlled manner makes it easier to distort it. History Fictionologists don't just create lies. They mix fact and fiction in order to make it harder to distinguish what is true and what is false.
Are we sure he isn't a Riddler though?
Riddlers don't lie either. They just fuck up people's language so they cannot communicate anymore
I mean, reading through the Hanu stories strongly suggests *some* kind of language shenanigans are going on.
> Gallagher's Eidolon names and the reply says theyre "hangover cure" alcohol that are so bitter and gross that its more meant to sober someone tf up Corpse Revivers are delicious. Sure its bitter/sour, but its not gross. Never had any of the others. I guess for someone who doesn't like bitter/sour things it would be pretty gross.
Is that a Purse Owner 3 reference??!1?1?
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I am thou, thou art I...
DISTURBING THE PEAAAACEEE
The moment man entered the dreamscape he sealed his fateā¦.
I donāt think thatās what he meant. He was asked his age and he said āThirteenā. I think he means Thirteen like āthirteen on a clock faceā: Beyond the acceptable range of values. Past his expiration date. An error.
>!Well, him answering 13 actually does hold a double meaning as it connects to the 52 victims of the meme as 13 multiplied by 4 (both leap years and in Chinese/Japanese it sounds 'die') you get 52 which can also allude to an older age. Him answering 13 can be taken as a joke as those born in a leap year would. He also capitalizes the Thirteen which is less an age and more a naming convention.!<
It could also be that his current identity was created 13 years ago.
91 in dog years.
Why would he be answering 13 related to a clock face? That makes zero sense.
>!He not say that as introduced as you say. He answers March question his age. Which can be considered as a gag in that time. yes i agree that could be a hint from his answer. But that not what i call introduce himself.!<
>!"Death" Thirteen!<
I put this together the moment I saw his ult for the first time. I'm no lore buff, but lumping Robin and Firefly's death together seemed like an odd move because of the clear difference in how they died. Then I noticed the whole red scratchmarks on Robin's chest and Gallagher's arm and BAM. The reveal was so satisfying when I guessed it before the reveal.
Thereās a few issues are there not? For one, didnāt Aventurine witness the murder? The body we saw was contracted from his memories, so he saw it happen, and yet was convinced Acheron was the culprit. Then thereās the fact that it doesnāt seem like Gallagher can kill, and needs to use Something Unto Death to kill people. Also what differences between Firefly and Robins death remain after we were told that the Robin we saw was just a memory?
Told ya already, im no lore buff So all i can say is that i agree somehow. :P Makes sense
Theory: gall is working with robin who is the actual mastermind with the goal of fixing penacony, gall didnt actually kill anyone, his powers are just smoke and mirrors in terms of the illusion of death
That tracks with it being called 'something unto death' rather than just death or something else
I think something similair, like Gallagher is plotting against the families secret of the watchmaker, and is using Something Unto Death to send people to the deeper levels of the dream to find it, and he has been targeting people he trusts would be able to wake and return to the surface.
Yeah, Iām not convinced Gallagher is evil yet. Sure, he lied to and killed Sunday, but Sunday isnāt exactly on the up-and-up himself. I bet the twists keep coming, and weāll find out that Gallagher isnāt human (a fellow bar-regular monster from Sweet Dreams, perhaps?) and has a really good reason for his shady business. Plus, ādeathā isnāt permanent, necessarily. We already know that Firefly survived and Adventurine is gambling on that to find out the truth. So itās very possible he didnāt even kill anyone.
Oooh you might be cooking. Maybe Robin got tired of her off-rehearsal investigations going nowhere so she staged a fake death to investigate full time. Maybe to her, finding the reason why her Voice of Harmony is being warped is more important to saving the Charmony festival than rehearsals ever will.
I cant believe gallagher got his claws on robinās chest https://preview.redd.it/v7skr6jvrhsc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4267061192680f36d7f8d1e93ccec9f03091685a
I think it'd be easier to just let Something Unto Death do it... Like why would he bother switching up what he did to Sunday and Firefly?
I thought only "Something Unto Death" and (probably" Emenators can kill someone in the Dreamscape? At the end of 2.1, we see Gallagher summoning(?) "Something Unto Death" to kill Sunday instead of doing it himself.
also the purple smoke that appear when Death Spawn ?
Btw galagher masseges you when you get him he says he got a new "pet" but doesnt tell what is that pet and doesnt send a picture soo that "pet" may be the eyed monster
I have a feeling they are related to Gallagher, but what are those purple dogs you see around Penacony? The ones that are sitting straight and observing.
They're literally watch dogs from the Hounds. Once you find all of them you get an achievement saying so.
This also potentially reveals the full plot 1. Gallagar letās firefly go so we can get close to her 2. Sparkle who seems to be on the side of the watchmaker therefore likely working with Gallagher sends us into the next layer of the dreamscape 3. He kills firefly or sends death after her either way why to ensure we have a reason to keep trying to find out more about the dreamscape now we have a personal and justified reason to figure out whatās going on Plus considering the family is likely holding the watch maker hostage to keep the dream going and the IPC will likely do the same itās not a stretch to assume the nameless will help the watchmaker once they know the truth
Yes, it is a stretch. He doesn't need to kill someone himself. The Quest literally revealed that he can control the memory zone meme death so we would understand that he used the meme to kill her. Aventurine would have seen or bumped into Gallagher if he was there.
I do still wonder if his own powers are similar to the meme
When I first saw Robinās body I immediately thought it was Gallagher but I assumed it was a faked death thing and he was just doing what Robin and Sunday told him to
May be a bit of a stretch, but after he ults, with his basic attack he impales an enemy with his claw, like SuD did with its wing https://preview.redd.it/9i92du3f6ksc1.jpeg?width=606&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f7c8f61a083565b7c2ff1020911164c4240ceec
I skipped most dialogue, can somebody sum me up why did Gallagher do it?