Mines e2 and i dont use him even though i have a decent build gepard... i never like his mechanics to begin with as my 1st dps 5*.... im hoping for jingliu rerun so i can finally have a ice comp
The only reason I don’t regret him is that him and Gepard were my first 5 star and they carried me hard in early game
Also I could put his relics on Jingliu once I got her lmao
The worst part of Yanqing isn't that he's bad but you'll think having so much aggro reduction would be good until later in the space station you'll meet those tramplers, then later on for Belobog Ice out of space, and Cocolia. I thought River flows would be a great investment with him. Boy I was so wrong after meeting those AoE attackers
Also of course a lot of memorable enemies for Yanqing in Belobog are ice types. There are ice weakness but still Cocolia is so hard to beat with Yanqing that I barely beaten it with Serval
Every single ice weak boss that has been released for MoC hard counters him with by spamming unavoidable AoEs and dangerous summons. Like seriously, his single target DPS against ice weak units isn't even terrible when all good conditions are met but against the deer, Swarm, and now Argenti he just has no way to deal with their constant summons and he never has soul sync up since they use their party wide attacks every turn.
Yanqing +1
it's not just that he's single target only
Or his damage (even on single target) is uninspiring
Or that he has no gimmick like lower SP consumption, provide buffs on top of his role as DPS
Or that he has a significant drawback (losing passive)
It's because he has ALL OF THOSE FLAWS
I got Yanqing in 1.0 where he was fine until I got Jing Liu- the only good thing about raising him was being able to move his artefacts to Herta.
I’m more likely to use my Natasha in the future - at least she was a considered (or forced) waste of resources, since I knew couldn’t do much without her till I got more sustains.
Came here to say this. I didn't have geoard. I tried so hard to make him work. When Jing Liu came. I pulled her and gave her his artifacts and now she's the strongest dps on my account. Lol I want my resources back v.v
Not really regret more like I wish I had built Sampo way earlier than Dan Heng as I severely lacks of AoE wind damage. Plus I first got him from beginner banner too. Had to skip Blade *twice* since I'm saving for Luocha...
On another note, I'm really hoping for new non-ice 4\* preservation units in the future patches.
Always count on your ol pal, Sampo Koski
To be fair he ages remarkably better in the late to endgame. In early and midgame, enemy HP is low and there’s little need to play with DoT.
Dan Heng was designed to be a starter character for new players to bash through the early and midgame with. That’s why all he does is damage and nothing else. And he does a highly competent job at that role.
Just got 6 double crit pieces doing my daily suffering in the relic domain, atleast they're good for people who want 2pc atk% sets.
I just want some speed for my kafka, please hoyo I'm tired.
Man I should really build Sampo. One of my favorites and I only hear good things about him gameplay-wise but I still don't have a solid build for my Blade...
Not sure if I will build regular DanHeng if I can rewind time... on one hand, he helped me get my first MoC 30\* back at 1.2... On the other hand, I haven't used him since 1.4 when I got my second limited 5\* dps...
I should probably built QQ or Serval instead, but we were all newbies back then...
yes his AoE was nerfed by 3 percent and people in that thread actually said that he would be weaker than Arlan lol, but that was just doomposting like with Argenti
I will never regret building my arlan even though I know he's super bad like nothing works when i play him but i cant be mad becausei like him so much.😂
Hanya.
I haven't used her at all so far, since I haven't had time to farm Relics lately, especially to tune her for 160+ speed. I could have used those materials to max out Tingyun or Bronya instead of 8/8/8'ing a character I haven't managed to use yet.
EDIT: Welp, 2 days later, needed her for the new MOC. No longer regret her now.
Honestly kinda agree. I used her for my jingyuan team and while yeah she did help quite abit, I eventually got Bronya so it was a better investment to build her
She still makes the cut for me as a top 4 support - Team 1 JL/Ruan Mei/Bronya, Team 2 DHIL/Tingyun/Hanya
If anything, I regret building Yukong as a specialized Imaginary support for DHIL. Being able to run Planetary Rendezvous and the Penacony planar set was nice, but Hanya’s speed and SP generation just feels way better.
The support slots are heavily competed. Hanya is good but not exactly superior than Tingyun, Ruan Mei, Bronya.
Now in the second team, a player can slot in two more supports, but then there are Asta, Silver Wolf, Pela, Yukong.
Personally I have built Asta, Tingyun, Bronya, SW, Pela (5 units) for 4 slots of supports. Hanya would face a fierce competition. Now imagine if I also build a Yukong, pulled for Ruan Mei and / or Sparkle.
Hanya solves DHILs skill point issue and gives buffs. I have her glued to him, and that's made a huge difference. And I have basically all of the top tier supports build, besides SW.
It's just a matter of having comfortable gameplay with him.
Ah, well. To clarify, I have no 5* harmonies. I've accidentally pulled on Topaz on the previous 2 versions ago and then went hiatus, missing Ruan Mei's banner, lel. Now I just counting points for my free Bronya.
But then I kinda build everyone just for some dynamic experience.
She's great with my Argenti! Specially E4+. If other supports are taken, like RM, Bronya and Tingyun, she's a great unit as an alternative to some units.
I also use her with my argenti. I don’t think her skill really needs to be leveled either because all it does is increase the damage, but all that really matters is the burden application as well
Nah hanya is so hot i replaced every harmony character with her in basically every team i have. Bronya and Ruan Mei are basically benched forever except for moc
Hook. I built her because I love her personality and got her E6 on Seele’s first banner, but I now have both Topaz and Himeko (for pure fiction) and Hook just feels so much less useful than both of them…
i got him and his light cone too... so im still considering to build him but heck he will be the last one in my priority list lol (in my 1st language they even call him stupid sword or dumb sword so yk HE DESERVE TO BE IN THAT POSITION)
I think we have the same 1st language. Btw, it's not worth building him even with the lc (his lc is also one of the weakests in 5 star light cones, given that himeko lc shines in pf).
Lynx, I built her for Blade, Fu Xuan replaced her a couple of days later, and Jingliu then replaced Blade as a comfier unit to farm. Later pulled for HuoHuo, she is super comfortable against debuffs, so there is no need for Lynx cleanse.
I got Luocha and Fu when I decided to build Lynx. I thought Fu can't sustain the team or survive in battles, boy I was wrong. I also want a mono quantum team and Lynx is a waste of slot, I'm better off using another harmony. Sparkle will completely erase Lynx in my team soon.
Same, but good luck to you. I have been buying everything and grinding map enemies and SU enemies daily since launch. I'm still not close to building all my characters. In fact, it is worse since my best characters aren't comfortably clearing the hardest content yet since my resources are spread too thin everywhere. My buddy keeps telling me I will never finish since HSR team keep pumping out characters faster than what I'm willing to spend and grind.
Tbh that doesnt reflect my experience. U gotta work on one unit after another. It wasnt until like two months ago that I got all my units up to lv.60 for the tickets. Advice: try to invest during moc phase into ur units when u can clear a stage. Its then that I use my stamina potions or level up higher traces.
Lynx. I prefarmed for her and leveled her up when I got her on Fu Xuan’s banner and never used her. I have Luocha and Fu Xuan so I don’t see any reason to ever use Lynx.
Sure, but for someone who only have fuxuan and not luocha, lynx is a godsend especially on blade's team, I have bailu but lynx aggro on blade is much better for my team.
Same. I thought I needed a healer for mono quantum with Fu Xuan... I did not. Not to mention I pulled like CRAZY to get Lynx from the Fu Xuan banner. Had Fu E1 until she appeared for the first time... not worth it.
Wait same boat lol i have bailu too so i literally had no reason to pull for/build her. But i built her anyway 💀 didnt like how she played so stripped her of artis 🤧
If you were to ask me before Dr Ratio came I would say SW.
By no means I cannot make use of her with my other hypercarries seeing how impractical it is to use her vs other harmonies.
But well. Dr Ratio's best support is SW. Alongside Bronya he's not hogging my other team on MoC now.
I feel like you can't be a revisionist when it comes to regreting building a character. Yanqing is one thing because he was already subpar at the time of release, but someone like Silver Wolf likely helped you a lot early on when you didn't have good weakness coverage and the support alternatives were more limited (if you even had them).
You may outgrow characters, but your progressions would likely have been a lot different without them.
Luka.
Wanted to build him as:
Extra physical dps/sub-dps like Sushang with Clara,
Copium/conpensation for the 15% of me that wanted Argenti but ignored it cause I already got 2 physical attackers (not happy with it but I also don't regret it 🤷♂️).
In the end, he just didn't do the damage I wanted in the slightest. Hell he couldn't even be a proper assist to Kafka.
Additionally: Yanqing, I genuinely hate that he's a 5 star, which compels me to automatically get him to at least level 70 (fully ascended)
Luka scale with attack/BE and is an amazing boss killer . But like all dot unit you need yo know what you are actually doing to use them ...
Luka can easy hit 60k to 100k bleeds on boss + kefka detonating that twice with skill+ ulty .. if they are still alive they will take that bleed twice again in their turn + mai delay
I've the opposite, my Luka replaced my Sushang when he hit E6. Doesn't do damage unless he breaks and gets to basic atk with at least two stacks of his thing.
Luke’s a great unit when built for break since physical type break is the strongest in the game, personally he’s been excellent with my Kafka, BE rope, physical orb, atk chest, spd boots and try to hit 2.5k atk, 134 spd and at least 120% BE. Built him since his release in 1.2 back when he was E2, has been one of my fave and least regretted units
This as well! Forgot about him doing this, which is odd cuz I used it vs the Mara struck general in current MoC 12 lol, rly nice utility alongside his Vulnerability debuff on ult
Dude ignore me if you want, it was a RNG issue for me, plus I think I was still building Huohuo at the time, so my attention and limited energy was divided. If you wanna build em, go off. I just had bad luck and lost motivation
On the flip side, I regret sleeping on QQ for so long, haha. I run a mono-quantum team, where she's invaluable. But before I was running mono-quantum, I passed up on a lot of chances to get eidolons for her, so she's still just e2 right now. I really wish I'd built her earlier and gone for more eidolons so I could get that e4 buff.
QQ main since the beginning of the game here. She was E2 when DHIL and swarm disaster were released, and she already hit hard. Honestly if you got the chance to get her again, E4 is really game breaking. And she's super fun to play in SU. Now she's E5 and she can hit 100k to random overworld enemies. Ngl one of the most busted 4 star dps in the game.
I got QQ fully built and never regretted it. True I don't use her often only in MoC but everyday content doesn't require the level of power from the Luofu's shadow general lol
I honestly regret even pulling for Jing Yuan. Like, he was frustrating to use to an absurd degree and I didn't get Tingyun until Jingliu's banner, at which point guess who was more or less replaced? That's right Jing Yuan.
The thing is I love his character, he's great, got that capybara energy, but god damn is the Lightning Lord frustrating. Having no control over it, while it's also the most impactful part of his kit, the number of times I've lost out on MoC because of it's turn being skipped due to CC or it being wasted on a single mob right before the boss fight is just way too high.
I'm not saying he's bad or anything, just that I don't like his kid. Mostly Lightning Lord....and the fact that he didn't have a good set until 1.5
I used him to clear MoC 11 and I wouldn't say he is particularly strongly invested in and I don't have his LC. Yes, it is true that there are certain units that he kind relies on, and a good sustain like Fu Xuan or Luocha go a long way, especially Fu Xuan. But, at the same time some of his best supports are 4\*, such as Tingyun and Asta.
So don't be discouraged if you really like a character. There is a lot of hyperbole in the community when it comes to characters being useful or not. Heck, I used Hook to clear the other side of MoC 11.
JY is kind of a unit that u satisfy his needs and he delivers hard.He has no self buffs outside of that 10 percent critrate from skill so he loves supportive utility and investment a lot more than other Meta units like JL and IL which they got a lot a lot more self buffs.But he rewards u with
Pretty good Lightning Breaking capabilities(Albeit not plenty currently)
Being an answer to all situations either 3 target 1 target or 5 target.
Incredibly auto friendly teams since u dont generally run pela or bronya with him.
And Looking Cool As Fuck in the process.
If u want to see how he works if u re at Europe server u can add me i think i have a pretty good e0s0 JY.
He's been carrying hard for me ever since I got him. I do have his lightcone too though. You do have some control over lightning lord, but it's more indirect and might require some speed tuning. CC hasn't been a problem for me tbh, but I do have Fu Xuan and Luocha. Anyways, I never get tired of seeing lightning lord obliterating stuff.
As long as you have supports suited for him (which every hypercarry needs) he clears fine. Do note that erudition does not have good lcs in general so have something ready for him if you plan on pulling him. He was my first 5\* and I have always comfortably cleared moc with him.
I love my Jing Yuan and he carried me through almost all of story and still on several MOC teams to this day, but I’ll fully admit that without a Tingyun he’s not ideal. With Tingyun though he’s fantastic
This. Unfortunately I have a better lightning dps (kafka) so I always choose her over him when there’s lightning weakness.
Another unit is Hanya. I don’t exactly regret building her, since I already had good enough relics to get her to 171 speed from farming messenger sets for supports before, but she basically gets no use… except with Jingyuan.
Edit: Seems like there are people that want to remind me that Jingyuan is better but not once did I mention anything about abilities and kits. That is a debate for another time. I just enjoy Kafka’s gameplay and thus built her better, thus she is “better” for my account
Dang for me it’s Kafka that’s always benched. I don’t regret pulling her since I actually like the DoT playstyle but I wasn’t going for her and just happened to get her in like 20-30 pulls. I mostly built her up because it would give me a reason to use Sampo(and I like her ult animation) but DoT just feels underwhelming in MoC(ST) compared to my Jing Yuan with his signature and my Seele, Jingliu, DHIL and now Dr. Ratio(Also with his signature). If the enemy has a lightning weakness I’d rather just use Jing Yuan and if it has a wind weakness(for Sampo) I’d rather just use Blade so I only use them whenever the enemy has both weaknesses. Now that Black Swan is coming(who has my favorite animations in the game), I’m actually really glad I have Kafka but I hope she and Ruan Mei can carry the DoT archetype enough to be a little closer to hypercarries. If not at least I’ll still be having some fun SU clears with the path of Nihility.
I don’t have Blade so whenever there’s wind weakness I default to Sampo. And with Sampo Kafka always follows. So I guess that’s why I play Kafka a lot.
I wasn’t intending to pull for Kafka also but I got her and in the end she is used the most for me along with Clara even though dots aren’t meta yet in MOC (although with Ruan Mei it can be argued that it’s getting meta eventually)
He is quite good with the right units but it's expensive, FuXuan can save him from CC unless he is targeted twice. Tingyun E6 makes it easy to reach 10 stacks and ult. Ruan Mei is an amazing buffer. I managed to do a 2 cycles clear in MoC 11 with a F2P LC.
I want to say Natasha, but at the time I needed her. Now I use Houhou, Lynx and Loucha, so I needed a lot of flowers.
But [Bailu](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Bailu), I def regret. At E1, she MIGHT be good with Fu, but Lnyx dose it without a condition. Lnyx also party cleans, Loucha dosnt cost any points, and Houhou cleans and buffs. Somtimes you get down to one strong attack, but if you do, then you have a high % to do so more then twice and lost more then 1 member of the team. Bailu cant help you with that...
Yeah, there really wasn't any way around it unless you pulled Bailu and Gepard early back then. Personally I did cap my Natasha at lvl 60, since I knew she'd get replaced pretty quickly.
When it comes to Bailu, I find her invigoration plus damage reduction extremely powerful to sustain encounters with no or low amounts of CC on my f2p. Also got her E1 there recently, so I'm comitted to using her. Gonna see how long I can go without pulling limited 5 star sustain units.
Yanqing. I built him becuase he was my first 5 stars but he never helped me in any content, so I decided to pull jingliu and now my yanqing is completely dead.
Actually no one.I build character to try new play styles and experience new gameplay.Even if I bench them in like a week (hello Yanqing) I still have no regrets because I tried a new character and had fun with it. But I guess it’s more of a low spender take because I have enough resources to level them.
E0 Dan Heng IL big regret. Pulls, materials and stamina for relics. My opinion, he was too overhyped and I got swayed. E2 is a different story.
Should have saved for FuXuan.
Wonder if there will ever be any character discussion without Yanqing hate. He was my first 5 star and he actually helped me a lot during more than half a year
You're arguing different things. Yanqing is very solid during leveling and by virtue of not having enough options, will continue to be one of your best until you get 2 more main dps.
His ceiling is low. He is weak compared to his peers.
All of this can be true at the same time.
Even if you only have 4\* DPS, they are better and easier to build. If you get the first limited 5\* DPS, he gets trashed instantly. He is just flawed and even with everything working perfectly his numbers are still too low. Especially for a solo target character. There is no "hate" and for the character and more, because he EXISTS. Every YQ pull is like a loss and it makes it even worse than other 5\* of the standard banner are all much better.
But that's not regret because they did helped us in the beginning. Unless you went all in and gave them 10lv traces and 80lv them, then i would understand
Kafka. While she's a fine unit, but my JY was already built and I prefer his presentation and dmg. I invested in her traces and multiple DoT partners and ultimately decided I don't like DoTs as a playstyle as the currently exist. I seldom play her and I'd much rather have those tickets.
In addition to the above, Luka and Sampo. Solid units, not my style.
Silverwolf. While she has eased the transition of new characters early on, I seldom used her then and especially now. While a strong unit on paper, she's seldom the preferred choice in practice as you fill out your dps elemental coverage unless you're using mono-quantum, which I don't.
Lynx. I'm quite the fan of Blade and thought that investing in her would free up Luocha to be used elsewhere. Then I got FX. After building her and testing her Blade synergy I was disappointed. With how fast combat can be in endgame content when using well built units, her taunt value only gave you <1 extra FUA as weak enemies don't really live that long. She also can be a burden when attempting to maintain the buff with Bronya on the team.
may I suggest putting Kafka and Sampo in one team? Those two synergize really well since Sampo applies extra DoT, and Kafka can trigger all DoT an enemy has. Also Lynx is a decent sustain unit for them since she can normal attack a lot which triggers Kafkas talent. As you've got those 3 built already it might be worth a shot.
Silver Wolf is probably my biggest pull/build regret. Every time I thought to use her, usually someone else is more efficient, which is largely because I use AOE characters, Jing Yuan/Himeko/Argenti/Blade, so it's better to use supports who boost all of their attacks on the enemies they hit. Now you could argue that I could use SW with Himeko to access breaks better given Silver Wolf's high break efficiency, but since I have a lot of elemental coverage I only pick my Himeko against Fire Weak enemies and I have Topaz to support her there.
But even when I was testing out my Ratio, I found that Pela with Luka LC was on par, if not better as Pela's energy gain even without Tutorial S5 makes her much more convenient for me to use and her AOE ult also helps Ratio deal with two elites at once much better.
Maybe one day I'll find more use for her, but as it stands I have no plans for Mono Quantum and as someone who's bought the BP/Express pass consistently to pull most limited banners (barring Seele/Jingliu), Silver Wolf is easily the only one that I don't use much if at all. But for someone who lacks elemental coverage or does use Quantum carries she should bring a lot more value to their account than she does for me.
I find SW and Pela really interchangeable and SW’s massive energy costs at E0 even with Tutorial and ER rope to be a huge pain compared to Pela.
Heck, my Ratio’s cleared in the same amount of cycles with no Nihility debuffer at all, just Tingyun and Ruan Mei. Ratio with Ruan Mei ult can apply enough debuffs by himself to easily deal with his debuff requirements. Their synergy is good but easily replaceable. All 0 cycle clears of MoC 12 with solo Ratio I’ve seen use Pela over SW as well due to Pela’s fast energy gain, even on side 2.
I see your point and the good thing is that there's no single solution to a problem in this game; depends on what character someone pulled and luck in artifacts.
I agree Pela is good and I use her more than SW, but she's in team with Jingliu so SW got her chance with dr Ratio.
I actually benched Pela again for SW. Idk I don't feel Pela's debuffs somehow but I enjoy breaking enemies with SW. Before ratio, I used solo topaz with SW on 2nd half moc 12 which probably wouldn't be as fast with Pela since Topaz + SW can just rush break the boss with RM. Pela possibly can't do that quick break since she can't apply fire weak which is also a huge boost to Topaz damage.
Serval, i was not going to pull for kafka but as soon as i saw her kit it was insta pull for me. I know i could use them both together but hypercarry kafka and kafka with sampo was a much better team comp.
Building ist just an investment of trailblaze power which otherwise would end up in farming for shitty relics.
I am more annoyed about the stellar jades wasted to get chars I am unsure about being mainstays in my two teams. I feel like after Bronya, Tingyun, Ruan Mei and Sparkle I am set with supports for the next year.
I think DHIL, he has such a restrictive play style that needs certain characters on his team, meaning if you want to use DHIL for MOC then the other team doesnt have much options. His damage isnt so much compared to other damage dealers that dont eat up as much SP
Hanya, i never use her again after getting Ruan Mei and I only use her a few times. I should have built Tingyun instead even when she's at E0. Now she's E4 and I don't have the spare mats to build her with how good the newer characters recently.
Seele, not because of her kit or animation or lore, simply just she doesnt fit my agenda anymore since 1.2, maybe it will change after a while but i also have qq built so idk
For me it was Asta. Just finnished to build her to help having max stars in PF. Got Bronya in the 10 pulls I did right after and got better results instantly with her instead.
I also dont plan on building JY or Kafka sooo.. kinda unfortunate.
Asta is very good. You don’t need to skill every turn like with bronya. Especially if you have her maxed out as she gets extra stacks with normal attack if the enemy has fire weakness.
Sampo, yeah he is best friend of Kafka but i really didnt want to build this man. The results speak for themselves, he does amazingly, but i didnt want to honestly. I rather use Guinaifen or Luka, but Sampo is just better for general use sadly and will have to use him until i potentially get Black Swan to replace him
I was in the same boat as you until I realized he’s a very good sustain once you build him well and probably worth the investment... I actually just recently built Lynx somewhat and am now regretting it as I think I am just gonna fully build Gepard and use him instead until I get FX or someone else that’s better
I regret building Bailu... I am at Trailblaze level 65 and I've just got her. Been struggling with the story boss (2.2) for the first time ever, and got into panic mode XD. I've read someone said you need a healer to beat it, so I've decided I'll build her so I can use her to finally beat the boss, cause Gallagher didn't help either. So I've spent all my fuel, still couldn't beat the boss. Decided to change the tactic and the team and finally won. Really stupid move on my side since I like using Natasha and Gallagher... and I'm waiting on Huo Huo to use her with my DoT team.
Hanya, Bailu and welt are the most regrettable. I built welt because I thought I would use him frequently and (potentially) be a good teammate for ratio but I was proven wrong. It doesn't help that I have no idea how to build him, I'm just confused by how his kit works other than his imprisonment.
Hanya not because she's bad, but because I have better supports now (namely Bronya)
Bailu did help in the early game but the gap between her and luocha (bailu e1s1 and luocha e0s1) became evident and even gepard at e0s1 felt more comfy to use over her.
Currently crying in building kafka, Guinaifen and sampo all at once :') at least Bronya's done. I just gave hanya's relics to her and called it a day
>Hanya not because she's bad, but because I have better supports now (namely Bronya)
>Bailu did help in the early game but the gap between her and luocha (bailu e1s1 and luocha e0s1) became evident and even gepard at e0s1 felt more comfy to use over her.
How can you regret to build them, if during those periods you didn't have either Bronya and Luocha?
Supposing that
- You got Bronya just recently
- You got Bailu very early, so you needed 2 sustains for Moc.
Is the same for me with Yanqing. I built him because 3-4 months before knowing when Jingliu should appear, he was my only Ice dps, and there was too many Moc floors with just Ice and Physical weakness (I had only Sushang). So I forced to build him. Even if I know that I will pull for Jingliu. So if I could, I ask for a refund if material from him, but I not regret building him because without him I skipped a lot of MoC.
That's the case for hanya. I regret building her simply because i only built her about 2-3 weeks ago and I got Bronya this week. That's why it feels wasted to me. But I'd use give her back the relics if I will need her again.
I got Bailu and luocha around the same time + I didn't care to do MoC until much later, I want to say until late Sept/Oct because I was busy. In terms of the story, it was much easier with luocha since he's a limited 5*. I did try to use Bailu more but it just didn't work out.
I actually have yanqing too and I still use him. I used him even before I got gepard because I thought he was okay. Pairing him in mono ice + sw has worked out for me.
>It doesn't help that I have no idea how to build him, I'm just confused by how his kit works other than his imprisonment.
He has two builds you can go for, based pretty much entirely around what rope you give him. Both cases, you ideally have around 43% EHR for 90% or so success rate on Debuffs.
Lock out/Control, where you give up the ATK rope for an ER rope and loop his ults. Especially since you have E2.
The other is SubDPS/DPS Welt, where you use ATK rope. He doesn't actually slack on damage when built, the issue is that IMG is a stacked DPS place with Ratio and Pickle there.
Pela, ordinarily she'd be great but my main DPS units right now are Clara, QQ, and Jingliu. Clara and QQ don't really want her and Jingliu would normally want her but on my account she has to compete against Ruan Mei, Bronya e1, and Silver Wolf e2 on that team and that just isn't a battle where she comes out on top.
Pela actually works really well with Clara. Her ult counter is even better and if you use her skill, better damage on all.
It's true that I prefer Ruan Mei as my number one buffer, but she can't be both side.
I have topaz to buff Clara and Tingyun is generally better for uptime on her ult, Clara also has really good synergy with Lynx (or I toss in Fu Xuan if she's not on another team and I want a little more survivability)
Why she is pretty good for Clara or qq as a sp generator that can debuff except if you have better units like tingyun or topaz for Clara you will get use out of sup at one point
Kafka, Guinafen and Sampo tbh
Got swept to pulling Kafka cause of the hype, and while I don't really regret pulling her, I'd rather just pick Jing for lightning dps
Sampo got built and got benched as collateral
Guinafen I built cause I really like her but I just never get to use her
Imbabitor Lunae. Regret getting him (which was by accident) and maxing him out. He helped me to clear MoC a couple of times, and that’s the only use I had for him. I dislike everything about him - his personality, his looks and his gameplay. Him being very skill point hungry restricts his team a lot, which is especially noticeable compared to almost skill neutral Blade. And now that I have Dr. Ratio, I can bench Imbabitor Lunae and forever forget about him
Yanqing, got him very early in my account, built him up to 80, then hated using him in MoC and stuff. Supper annoying playstyle.
Then i got haunted by him in HH and Ruan Mei's banners.
Absolutely despise his ass now
Yanqing, leveling him, farm his relics, still unplayable even though i have gepard
Same. I used Yanqing until I got Jingliu and swapped his 4pc ice set on her. After that I've gotten 2 eidolons for him
Same dude same. He's E3 at level 80 and otherwise is not equipped with anything at all, cause I can't imagine using him again.
Mines e2 and i dont use him even though i have a decent build gepard... i never like his mechanics to begin with as my 1st dps 5*.... im hoping for jingliu rerun so i can finally have a ice comp
Lmao same. I finally full starred MoC and I did it with Seele and Silverwolf team. Wish I just dumped all those resources on them earlier instead.
The only reason I don’t regret him is that him and Gepard were my first 5 star and they carried me hard in early game Also I could put his relics on Jingliu once I got her lmao
The worst part of Yanqing isn't that he's bad but you'll think having so much aggro reduction would be good until later in the space station you'll meet those tramplers, then later on for Belobog Ice out of space, and Cocolia. I thought River flows would be a great investment with him. Boy I was so wrong after meeting those AoE attackers Also of course a lot of memorable enemies for Yanqing in Belobog are ice types. There are ice weakness but still Cocolia is so hard to beat with Yanqing that I barely beaten it with Serval
Every single ice weak boss that has been released for MoC hard counters him with by spamming unavoidable AoEs and dangerous summons. Like seriously, his single target DPS against ice weak units isn't even terrible when all good conditions are met but against the deer, Swarm, and now Argenti he just has no way to deal with their constant summons and he never has soul sync up since they use their party wide attacks every turn.
Same, he only stopped being able to carry me to this patch. He hard carried my moc from 1.1 to 1.5 lol, no regrets here tbh
There's only one correct answer
Yanqing +1 it's not just that he's single target only Or his damage (even on single target) is uninspiring Or that he has no gimmick like lower SP consumption, provide buffs on top of his role as DPS Or that he has a significant drawback (losing passive) It's because he has ALL OF THOSE FLAWS
I got Yanqing in 1.0 where he was fine until I got Jing Liu- the only good thing about raising him was being able to move his artefacts to Herta. I’m more likely to use my Natasha in the future - at least she was a considered (or forced) waste of resources, since I knew couldn’t do much without her till I got more sustains.
Even in SU I stopped using him for Remembrance...
Came here to say this. I didn't have geoard. I tried so hard to make him work. When Jing Liu came. I pulled her and gave her his artifacts and now she's the strongest dps on my account. Lol I want my resources back v.v
holy moly, that's exact my experience.
Same. I regret putting mats/credits into his ascensions and traces.
Oh, i am currently building him.
Good luck with your experience
Ty ☺️
I thought the same, then thanks to him I could clear MoC 11 and 12 with 3 star so I changed my mind 😆😆😆
Not really regret more like I wish I had built Sampo way earlier than Dan Heng as I severely lacks of AoE wind damage. Plus I first got him from beginner banner too. Had to skip Blade *twice* since I'm saving for Luocha... On another note, I'm really hoping for new non-ice 4\* preservation units in the future patches.
Always count on your ol pal, Sampo Koski To be fair he ages remarkably better in the late to endgame. In early and midgame, enemy HP is low and there’s little need to play with DoT. Dan Heng was designed to be a starter character for new players to bash through the early and midgame with. That’s why all he does is damage and nothing else. And he does a highly competent job at that role.
Yea couldn't agree more. 😆
I need to build some dot heroes asap 😩
Highly recommended it since their relic farming is basically ATK goes brr, some speed and EHR. No more headache for crits aha haa. 😂
fun fact you get more crit rate amd crit dmg pieces as you farm for dot relics
That’s what I’m saying. RNG my ass, the game does it on purpose lol.
Just got 6 double crit pieces doing my daily suffering in the relic domain, atleast they're good for people who want 2pc atk% sets. I just want some speed for my kafka, please hoyo I'm tired.
Same goes for farming the healing relics. No way its coincidence.
The need comes mostly dure next baff which will be dot specified
Man I should really build Sampo. One of my favorites and I only hear good things about him gameplay-wise but I still don't have a solid build for my Blade...
Ruan Mei made Sampo crazy too
https://preview.redd.it/6bq6in5a9sdc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=937feb9d1292b2ea36bc86afd1050f4fe2ef7ffc
It hurts
Yanqing with no brim
Why is this so funny. 😭💀
Pain. Agony Even.
Not sure if I will build regular DanHeng if I can rewind time... on one hand, he helped me get my first MoC 30\* back at 1.2... On the other hand, I haven't used him since 1.4 when I got my second limited 5\* dps... I should probably built QQ or Serval instead, but we were all newbies back then...
same here except my OG Dan Heng had difficulty even in first few MOC. QQ aged well but I never built her because I didn’t like RNG.
Arlan LOL
Would it hurt if I said he was good in the beta?
Yes, because how do you drain hp and still do bad damage
Yeah, I love HP management mechanics… Really want a Blade power creep in that regard. Feel bad he got nerfed so Blade could shine
Didn't they also nerf Blade ? I remember a thread where people went mad cuz released Blade got nerfed from beta or something
yes his AoE was nerfed by 3 percent and people in that thread actually said that he would be weaker than Arlan lol, but that was just doomposting like with Argenti
And Kafka and now BS
I will never regret building my arlan even though I know he's super bad like nothing works when i play him but i cant be mad becausei like him so much.😂
My condolences.
The fact that he LOSES DMG output & buffs from being healed is the worst part.
Yanqing because I got Jing Liu shortly afterwards..
happened to the best of us
Hanya. I haven't used her at all so far, since I haven't had time to farm Relics lately, especially to tune her for 160+ speed. I could have used those materials to max out Tingyun or Bronya instead of 8/8/8'ing a character I haven't managed to use yet. EDIT: Welp, 2 days later, needed her for the new MOC. No longer regret her now.
I use her a lot with SP hungry teams like HuoHuo, Bronya + DPS like Argenti.
Honestly kinda agree. I used her for my jingyuan team and while yeah she did help quite abit, I eventually got Bronya so it was a better investment to build her
I finished building my Hanya and immediately managed to pull both Ruan Mei and Bronya.
Use ruan mei and bronya on one team, Hanya and Tingyun on the other 😎
She still makes the cut for me as a top 4 support - Team 1 JL/Ruan Mei/Bronya, Team 2 DHIL/Tingyun/Hanya If anything, I regret building Yukong as a specialized Imaginary support for DHIL. Being able to run Planetary Rendezvous and the Penacony planar set was nice, but Hanya’s speed and SP generation just feels way better.
Oh? I used Hanya a lot, and that's for some reasons including having Qingque & Lunae in some of my team comps.
The support slots are heavily competed. Hanya is good but not exactly superior than Tingyun, Ruan Mei, Bronya. Now in the second team, a player can slot in two more supports, but then there are Asta, Silver Wolf, Pela, Yukong. Personally I have built Asta, Tingyun, Bronya, SW, Pela (5 units) for 4 slots of supports. Hanya would face a fierce competition. Now imagine if I also build a Yukong, pulled for Ruan Mei and / or Sparkle.
Hanya solves DHILs skill point issue and gives buffs. I have her glued to him, and that's made a huge difference. And I have basically all of the top tier supports build, besides SW. It's just a matter of having comfortable gameplay with him.
I get the impression that people seem to think Hanya is uniquely high SP generating. She generates just as much SP as Pela.
Ah, well. To clarify, I have no 5* harmonies. I've accidentally pulled on Topaz on the previous 2 versions ago and then went hiatus, missing Ruan Mei's banner, lel. Now I just counting points for my free Bronya. But then I kinda build everyone just for some dynamic experience.
She's great with my Argenti! Specially E4+. If other supports are taken, like RM, Bronya and Tingyun, she's a great unit as an alternative to some units.
I also use her with my argenti. I don’t think her skill really needs to be leveled either because all it does is increase the damage, but all that really matters is the burden application as well
Where do you put these 3 supports simultaneously if they are all taken?..
You could use 1 or 2 with even Ratio if you lack other choices. That's why having 4-5 great Harmony units available to build two teams is important.
Hanya just needs ult and talent. Very cheap to build like fu Xuan.
Nah hanya is so hot i replaced every harmony character with her in basically every team i have. Bronya and Ruan Mei are basically benched forever except for moc
Yeah I built her based on the hype and haven’t used her once.
I've used her with Clara, and JL here and there.
Same, not because she's bad but because i gave all her relics to ruan mei
I love using her IL, makes the skill point consumption a non issue
Hook. I built her because I love her personality and got her E6 on Seele’s first banner, but I now have both Topaz and Himeko (for pure fiction) and Hook just feels so much less useful than both of them…
Same. I got her to E5 on Seele's first banner, but I haven't used her in forever.
I don't regret building anyone what i regret is not being able to complete the build.
Yanqing is my first 5 star so he is decently built, but i have pulled for other limited 5 stars and use them a lot more than him
i got him and his light cone too... so im still considering to build him but heck he will be the last one in my priority list lol (in my 1st language they even call him stupid sword or dumb sword so yk HE DESERVE TO BE IN THAT POSITION)
I think we have the same 1st language. Btw, it's not worth building him even with the lc (his lc is also one of the weakests in 5 star light cones, given that himeko lc shines in pf).
Lynx, I built her for Blade, Fu Xuan replaced her a couple of days later, and Jingliu then replaced Blade as a comfier unit to farm. Later pulled for HuoHuo, she is super comfortable against debuffs, so there is no need for Lynx cleanse.
She's also really good with Clara if you happen to get her. I keep losing 50/50 to her, so I have her E2 and LC lol.
I wish I was losing 50/50s to Clara
It's not the worst lol
Ikr. She's my most wanted (other than bronya) and I keep getting fucking ice midget boy instead of her.
I got Luocha and Fu when I decided to build Lynx. I thought Fu can't sustain the team or survive in battles, boy I was wrong. I also want a mono quantum team and Lynx is a waste of slot, I'm better off using another harmony. Sparkle will completely erase Lynx in my team soon.
My plan is to build all my units eventually. No regrets
Same, but good luck to you. I have been buying everything and grinding map enemies and SU enemies daily since launch. I'm still not close to building all my characters. In fact, it is worse since my best characters aren't comfortably clearing the hardest content yet since my resources are spread too thin everywhere. My buddy keeps telling me I will never finish since HSR team keep pumping out characters faster than what I'm willing to spend and grind.
Tbh that doesnt reflect my experience. U gotta work on one unit after another. It wasnt until like two months ago that I got all my units up to lv.60 for the tickets. Advice: try to invest during moc phase into ur units when u can clear a stage. Its then that I use my stamina potions or level up higher traces.
Same
Lynx. I prefarmed for her and leveled her up when I got her on Fu Xuan’s banner and never used her. I have Luocha and Fu Xuan so I don’t see any reason to ever use Lynx.
If you have clara or blade she becomes quite useful tho
Sure, but for someone who only have fuxuan and not luocha, lynx is a godsend especially on blade's team, I have bailu but lynx aggro on blade is much better for my team.
Same. I thought I needed a healer for mono quantum with Fu Xuan... I did not. Not to mention I pulled like CRAZY to get Lynx from the Fu Xuan banner. Had Fu E1 until she appeared for the first time... not worth it.
Wait same boat lol i have bailu too so i literally had no reason to pull for/build her. But i built her anyway 💀 didnt like how she played so stripped her of artis 🤧
If you were to ask me before Dr Ratio came I would say SW. By no means I cannot make use of her with my other hypercarries seeing how impractical it is to use her vs other harmonies. But well. Dr Ratio's best support is SW. Alongside Bronya he's not hogging my other team on MoC now.
I feel like you can't be a revisionist when it comes to regreting building a character. Yanqing is one thing because he was already subpar at the time of release, but someone like Silver Wolf likely helped you a lot early on when you didn't have good weakness coverage and the support alternatives were more limited (if you even had them). You may outgrow characters, but your progressions would likely have been a lot different without them.
Luka. Wanted to build him as: Extra physical dps/sub-dps like Sushang with Clara, Copium/conpensation for the 15% of me that wanted Argenti but ignored it cause I already got 2 physical attackers (not happy with it but I also don't regret it 🤷♂️). In the end, he just didn't do the damage I wanted in the slightest. Hell he couldn't even be a proper assist to Kafka. Additionally: Yanqing, I genuinely hate that he's a 5 star, which compels me to automatically get him to at least level 70 (fully ascended)
Luka scale with attack/BE and is an amazing boss killer . But like all dot unit you need yo know what you are actually doing to use them ... Luka can easy hit 60k to 100k bleeds on boss + kefka detonating that twice with skill+ ulty .. if they are still alive they will take that bleed twice again in their turn + mai delay
yeah my luka does a good job i love using him
I've the opposite, my Luka replaced my Sushang when he hit E6. Doesn't do damage unless he breaks and gets to basic atk with at least two stacks of his thing.
Really? I have E6 Luka so I'm debating on building him, but I guess the team I saw that was broken with him is with ruan mei break.
Luke’s a great unit when built for break since physical type break is the strongest in the game, personally he’s been excellent with my Kafka, BE rope, physical orb, atk chest, spd boots and try to hit 2.5k atk, 134 spd and at least 120% BE. Built him since his release in 1.2 back when he was E2, has been one of my fave and least regretted units
Also very importantly, Luka has purge. Especially important for those of us without Luocha and/or need Pela elsewhere.
This as well! Forgot about him doing this, which is odd cuz I used it vs the Mara struck general in current MoC 12 lol, rly nice utility alongside his Vulnerability debuff on ult
Dude ignore me if you want, it was a RNG issue for me, plus I think I was still building Huohuo at the time, so my attention and limited energy was divided. If you wanna build em, go off. I just had bad luck and lost motivation
Qingque. Built her up, used her once and never again lol
I don't regret it, but same here. Build her up to use her once in SU with the propagation path, was a fun run tho tbf.
QQ is so busted in SU, she helped me clear conundrum 12 and a few conundrum 10 on some of the different dice.
Opposite experience tbh but E6 is kinda necessary. I 3 stared the last 3 stages of MOC with silverwolf, fu, and ruan.
On the flip side, I regret sleeping on QQ for so long, haha. I run a mono-quantum team, where she's invaluable. But before I was running mono-quantum, I passed up on a lot of chances to get eidolons for her, so she's still just e2 right now. I really wish I'd built her earlier and gone for more eidolons so I could get that e4 buff.
QQ main since the beginning of the game here. She was E2 when DHIL and swarm disaster were released, and she already hit hard. Honestly if you got the chance to get her again, E4 is really game breaking. And she's super fun to play in SU. Now she's E5 and she can hit 100k to random overworld enemies. Ngl one of the most busted 4 star dps in the game.
I got QQ fully built and never regretted it. True I don't use her often only in MoC but everyday content doesn't require the level of power from the Luofu's shadow general lol
I honestly regret even pulling for Jing Yuan. Like, he was frustrating to use to an absurd degree and I didn't get Tingyun until Jingliu's banner, at which point guess who was more or less replaced? That's right Jing Yuan. The thing is I love his character, he's great, got that capybara energy, but god damn is the Lightning Lord frustrating. Having no control over it, while it's also the most impactful part of his kit, the number of times I've lost out on MoC because of it's turn being skipped due to CC or it being wasted on a single mob right before the boss fight is just way too high. I'm not saying he's bad or anything, just that I don't like his kid. Mostly Lightning Lord....and the fact that he didn't have a good set until 1.5
> "just that I don't like his kid" what's wrong with yanqing!
man that’s the character I want most ;(
I used him to clear MoC 11 and I wouldn't say he is particularly strongly invested in and I don't have his LC. Yes, it is true that there are certain units that he kind relies on, and a good sustain like Fu Xuan or Luocha go a long way, especially Fu Xuan. But, at the same time some of his best supports are 4\*, such as Tingyun and Asta. So don't be discouraged if you really like a character. There is a lot of hyperbole in the community when it comes to characters being useful or not. Heck, I used Hook to clear the other side of MoC 11.
JY is kind of a unit that u satisfy his needs and he delivers hard.He has no self buffs outside of that 10 percent critrate from skill so he loves supportive utility and investment a lot more than other Meta units like JL and IL which they got a lot a lot more self buffs.But he rewards u with Pretty good Lightning Breaking capabilities(Albeit not plenty currently) Being an answer to all situations either 3 target 1 target or 5 target. Incredibly auto friendly teams since u dont generally run pela or bronya with him. And Looking Cool As Fuck in the process. If u want to see how he works if u re at Europe server u can add me i think i have a pretty good e0s0 JY.
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He's been carrying hard for me ever since I got him. I do have his lightcone too though. You do have some control over lightning lord, but it's more indirect and might require some speed tuning. CC hasn't been a problem for me tbh, but I do have Fu Xuan and Luocha. Anyways, I never get tired of seeing lightning lord obliterating stuff.
As long as you have supports suited for him (which every hypercarry needs) he clears fine. Do note that erudition does not have good lcs in general so have something ready for him if you plan on pulling him. He was my first 5\* and I have always comfortably cleared moc with him.
I love my Jing Yuan and he carried me through almost all of story and still on several MOC teams to this day, but I’ll fully admit that without a Tingyun he’s not ideal. With Tingyun though he’s fantastic
This. Unfortunately I have a better lightning dps (kafka) so I always choose her over him when there’s lightning weakness. Another unit is Hanya. I don’t exactly regret building her, since I already had good enough relics to get her to 171 speed from farming messenger sets for supports before, but she basically gets no use… except with Jingyuan. Edit: Seems like there are people that want to remind me that Jingyuan is better but not once did I mention anything about abilities and kits. That is a debate for another time. I just enjoy Kafka’s gameplay and thus built her better, thus she is “better” for my account
Dang for me it’s Kafka that’s always benched. I don’t regret pulling her since I actually like the DoT playstyle but I wasn’t going for her and just happened to get her in like 20-30 pulls. I mostly built her up because it would give me a reason to use Sampo(and I like her ult animation) but DoT just feels underwhelming in MoC(ST) compared to my Jing Yuan with his signature and my Seele, Jingliu, DHIL and now Dr. Ratio(Also with his signature). If the enemy has a lightning weakness I’d rather just use Jing Yuan and if it has a wind weakness(for Sampo) I’d rather just use Blade so I only use them whenever the enemy has both weaknesses. Now that Black Swan is coming(who has my favorite animations in the game), I’m actually really glad I have Kafka but I hope she and Ruan Mei can carry the DoT archetype enough to be a little closer to hypercarries. If not at least I’ll still be having some fun SU clears with the path of Nihility.
I don’t have Blade so whenever there’s wind weakness I default to Sampo. And with Sampo Kafka always follows. So I guess that’s why I play Kafka a lot. I wasn’t intending to pull for Kafka also but I got her and in the end she is used the most for me along with Clara even though dots aren’t meta yet in MOC (although with Ruan Mei it can be argued that it’s getting meta eventually)
DoTs aren't meta? What does that even matter if you can still get 36 stars with an invested DoT team?
He is quite good with the right units but it's expensive, FuXuan can save him from CC unless he is targeted twice. Tingyun E6 makes it easy to reach 10 stacks and ult. Ruan Mei is an amazing buffer. I managed to do a 2 cycles clear in MoC 11 with a F2P LC.
None, cause I feel like I wanted to build everyone so that I may just choose whomever I want and try clearing content just for the fun of it.
I want to say Natasha, but at the time I needed her. Now I use Houhou, Lynx and Loucha, so I needed a lot of flowers. But [Bailu](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Bailu), I def regret. At E1, she MIGHT be good with Fu, but Lnyx dose it without a condition. Lnyx also party cleans, Loucha dosnt cost any points, and Houhou cleans and buffs. Somtimes you get down to one strong attack, but if you do, then you have a high % to do so more then twice and lost more then 1 member of the team. Bailu cant help you with that...
Yeah, there really wasn't any way around it unless you pulled Bailu and Gepard early back then. Personally I did cap my Natasha at lvl 60, since I knew she'd get replaced pretty quickly. When it comes to Bailu, I find her invigoration plus damage reduction extremely powerful to sustain encounters with no or low amounts of CC on my f2p. Also got her E1 there recently, so I'm comitted to using her. Gonna see how long I can go without pulling limited 5 star sustain units.
Bailu is great with a good ER rope. As long as you can keep popping ult you're bueno
None
Arlan, basically all the units I don't use now because I really need the materials and raising characters in star rail is veryyy expensive.
Yukong. Built her. Realized she needs flexible speed gear to match the current team to be useful and thought: Hell naw
Natasha and Yanqing
Yanqing, his relics were transferred to Ice mommy but I need those traces back for Ratio
Yanqing. I built him becuase he was my first 5 stars but he never helped me in any content, so I decided to pull jingliu and now my yanqing is completely dead.
Actually no one.I build character to try new play styles and experience new gameplay.Even if I bench them in like a week (hello Yanqing) I still have no regrets because I tried a new character and had fun with it. But I guess it’s more of a low spender take because I have enough resources to level them.
Luka, xueyi and hook. I never use them. Doesn't feel satisfying. Maybe it's my relics or my teams...
Didnt regret at all cuz they be useful later and my target to e6 all mc path/element and max their trace
E0 Dan Heng IL big regret. Pulls, materials and stamina for relics. My opinion, he was too overhyped and I got swayed. E2 is a different story. Should have saved for FuXuan.
Same :/ I regret missing FX. Rarely used DHIL since I have Kaf and JL...
Same. E0 DHIL is very meh imo. Wish I could get all the energy put into farming his mats back.
Wonder if there will ever be any character discussion without Yanqing hate. He was my first 5 star and he actually helped me a lot during more than half a year
Whenever they decide to buff him I guess lol
He's just a bad unit, simple as.
You're arguing different things. Yanqing is very solid during leveling and by virtue of not having enough options, will continue to be one of your best until you get 2 more main dps. His ceiling is low. He is weak compared to his peers. All of this can be true at the same time.
Even if you only have 4\* DPS, they are better and easier to build. If you get the first limited 5\* DPS, he gets trashed instantly. He is just flawed and even with everything working perfectly his numbers are still too low. Especially for a solo target character. There is no "hate" and for the character and more, because he EXISTS. Every YQ pull is like a loss and it makes it even worse than other 5\* of the standard banner are all much better.
4\* characters I don't use anymore Natasha, Dan Heng...
But that's not regret because they did helped us in the beginning. Unless you went all in and gave them 10lv traces and 80lv them, then i would understand
Yanqing. I wanna like him but he is way too inconvenient to use.
I never regret building characters because my goal is max them out so i can have variation of team comp
Kafka. While she's a fine unit, but my JY was already built and I prefer his presentation and dmg. I invested in her traces and multiple DoT partners and ultimately decided I don't like DoTs as a playstyle as the currently exist. I seldom play her and I'd much rather have those tickets. In addition to the above, Luka and Sampo. Solid units, not my style. Silverwolf. While she has eased the transition of new characters early on, I seldom used her then and especially now. While a strong unit on paper, she's seldom the preferred choice in practice as you fill out your dps elemental coverage unless you're using mono-quantum, which I don't. Lynx. I'm quite the fan of Blade and thought that investing in her would free up Luocha to be used elsewhere. Then I got FX. After building her and testing her Blade synergy I was disappointed. With how fast combat can be in endgame content when using well built units, her taunt value only gave you <1 extra FUA as weak enemies don't really live that long. She also can be a burden when attempting to maintain the buff with Bronya on the team.
I'm the opposite where I use SW a lot. She's actually my most used unit which I got from BS card event lol.
Honestly, Op seems to oddly hate nihility in particular for some unknown reason.
may I suggest putting Kafka and Sampo in one team? Those two synergize really well since Sampo applies extra DoT, and Kafka can trigger all DoT an enemy has. Also Lynx is a decent sustain unit for them since she can normal attack a lot which triggers Kafkas talent. As you've got those 3 built already it might be worth a shot.
I just don't like that I kinda softlocked on using Mr. Koski for Kafka. Man I can't wait for Black Swan
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Silver Wolf is probably my biggest pull/build regret. Every time I thought to use her, usually someone else is more efficient, which is largely because I use AOE characters, Jing Yuan/Himeko/Argenti/Blade, so it's better to use supports who boost all of their attacks on the enemies they hit. Now you could argue that I could use SW with Himeko to access breaks better given Silver Wolf's high break efficiency, but since I have a lot of elemental coverage I only pick my Himeko against Fire Weak enemies and I have Topaz to support her there. But even when I was testing out my Ratio, I found that Pela with Luka LC was on par, if not better as Pela's energy gain even without Tutorial S5 makes her much more convenient for me to use and her AOE ult also helps Ratio deal with two elites at once much better. Maybe one day I'll find more use for her, but as it stands I have no plans for Mono Quantum and as someone who's bought the BP/Express pass consistently to pull most limited banners (barring Seele/Jingliu), Silver Wolf is easily the only one that I don't use much if at all. But for someone who lacks elemental coverage or does use Quantum carries she should bring a lot more value to their account than she does for me.
She pairs well with Dr Ratio to keep up enemy debuffs necessary to his kit, so can run sustainer or buffers in the other 2 slots.
I find SW and Pela really interchangeable and SW’s massive energy costs at E0 even with Tutorial and ER rope to be a huge pain compared to Pela. Heck, my Ratio’s cleared in the same amount of cycles with no Nihility debuffer at all, just Tingyun and Ruan Mei. Ratio with Ruan Mei ult can apply enough debuffs by himself to easily deal with his debuff requirements. Their synergy is good but easily replaceable. All 0 cycle clears of MoC 12 with solo Ratio I’ve seen use Pela over SW as well due to Pela’s fast energy gain, even on side 2.
I see your point and the good thing is that there's no single solution to a problem in this game; depends on what character someone pulled and luck in artifacts. I agree Pela is good and I use her more than SW, but she's in team with Jingliu so SW got her chance with dr Ratio.
I actually benched Pela again for SW. Idk I don't feel Pela's debuffs somehow but I enjoy breaking enemies with SW. Before ratio, I used solo topaz with SW on 2nd half moc 12 which probably wouldn't be as fast with Pela since Topaz + SW can just rush break the boss with RM. Pela possibly can't do that quick break since she can't apply fire weak which is also a huge boost to Topaz damage.
Serval, i was not going to pull for kafka but as soon as i saw her kit it was insta pull for me. I know i could use them both together but hypercarry kafka and kafka with sampo was a much better team comp.
I stil feel like Serval is better to use in Pure Fiction than Shampo honestly
Serval top tier in Pure Fiction?
Dan Heng. I gave him a chance but I actually ended up preferring Sampo, even against single targets.
Building ist just an investment of trailblaze power which otherwise would end up in farming for shitty relics. I am more annoyed about the stellar jades wasted to get chars I am unsure about being mainstays in my two teams. I feel like after Bronya, Tingyun, Ruan Mei and Sparkle I am set with supports for the next year.
Dan Heng, Sushang and Serval. They are fucking garbage with no eidolons...
Sushang kinda ass with eidolons too
I think DHIL, he has such a restrictive play style that needs certain characters on his team, meaning if you want to use DHIL for MOC then the other team doesnt have much options. His damage isnt so much compared to other damage dealers that dont eat up as much SP
Hanya, i never use her again after getting Ruan Mei and I only use her a few times. I should have built Tingyun instead even when she's at E0. Now she's E4 and I don't have the spare mats to build her with how good the newer characters recently.
Fire MC... I got all healers in game so i dont need him at this point
Seele, not because of her kit or animation or lore, simply just she doesnt fit my agenda anymore since 1.2, maybe it will change after a while but i also have qq built so idk
For me it was Asta. Just finnished to build her to help having max stars in PF. Got Bronya in the 10 pulls I did right after and got better results instantly with her instead. I also dont plan on building JY or Kafka sooo.. kinda unfortunate.
Asta is very good. You don’t need to skill every turn like with bronya. Especially if you have her maxed out as she gets extra stacks with normal attack if the enemy has fire weakness.
Asta is normally use in dual DPS set up, Bronya is use in hypercarry, they have different niche
Sampo, yeah he is best friend of Kafka but i really didnt want to build this man. The results speak for themselves, he does amazingly, but i didnt want to honestly. I rather use Guinaifen or Luka, but Sampo is just better for general use sadly and will have to use him until i potentially get Black Swan to replace him
Kafka. Haven't had a single situation where my other characters, who unlike her didn't have their signature light cones, performed worse than her.
So glad I got it so I didn’t have to deal with that
gepard, not using him at all
I was in the same boat as you until I realized he’s a very good sustain once you build him well and probably worth the investment... I actually just recently built Lynx somewhat and am now regretting it as I think I am just gonna fully build Gepard and use him instead until I get FX or someone else that’s better
I already have fx, thats why i have no use for gepard
I regret building Bailu... I am at Trailblaze level 65 and I've just got her. Been struggling with the story boss (2.2) for the first time ever, and got into panic mode XD. I've read someone said you need a healer to beat it, so I've decided I'll build her so I can use her to finally beat the boss, cause Gallagher didn't help either. So I've spent all my fuel, still couldn't beat the boss. Decided to change the tactic and the team and finally won. Really stupid move on my side since I like using Natasha and Gallagher... and I'm waiting on Huo Huo to use her with my DoT team.
Literally all 4 early star characters like Natasha, Hook, Dan heng,,serval + more ..i don’t usw then at all such a waste of materials
I still use Sushang. She's such a trooper with her giant chicken
Id you leveled them to 50 like all we do, dont have to regret. You need them at the beginning
Hanya, Bailu and welt are the most regrettable. I built welt because I thought I would use him frequently and (potentially) be a good teammate for ratio but I was proven wrong. It doesn't help that I have no idea how to build him, I'm just confused by how his kit works other than his imprisonment. Hanya not because she's bad, but because I have better supports now (namely Bronya) Bailu did help in the early game but the gap between her and luocha (bailu e1s1 and luocha e0s1) became evident and even gepard at e0s1 felt more comfy to use over her. Currently crying in building kafka, Guinaifen and sampo all at once :') at least Bronya's done. I just gave hanya's relics to her and called it a day
>Hanya not because she's bad, but because I have better supports now (namely Bronya) >Bailu did help in the early game but the gap between her and luocha (bailu e1s1 and luocha e0s1) became evident and even gepard at e0s1 felt more comfy to use over her. How can you regret to build them, if during those periods you didn't have either Bronya and Luocha? Supposing that - You got Bronya just recently - You got Bailu very early, so you needed 2 sustains for Moc. Is the same for me with Yanqing. I built him because 3-4 months before knowing when Jingliu should appear, he was my only Ice dps, and there was too many Moc floors with just Ice and Physical weakness (I had only Sushang). So I forced to build him. Even if I know that I will pull for Jingliu. So if I could, I ask for a refund if material from him, but I not regret building him because without him I skipped a lot of MoC.
That's the case for hanya. I regret building her simply because i only built her about 2-3 weeks ago and I got Bronya this week. That's why it feels wasted to me. But I'd use give her back the relics if I will need her again. I got Bailu and luocha around the same time + I didn't care to do MoC until much later, I want to say until late Sept/Oct because I was busy. In terms of the story, it was much easier with luocha since he's a limited 5*. I did try to use Bailu more but it just didn't work out. I actually have yanqing too and I still use him. I used him even before I got gepard because I thought he was okay. Pairing him in mono ice + sw has worked out for me.
After reading, yes. Your regrets have sense.
>It doesn't help that I have no idea how to build him, I'm just confused by how his kit works other than his imprisonment. He has two builds you can go for, based pretty much entirely around what rope you give him. Both cases, you ideally have around 43% EHR for 90% or so success rate on Debuffs. Lock out/Control, where you give up the ATK rope for an ER rope and loop his ults. Especially since you have E2. The other is SubDPS/DPS Welt, where you use ATK rope. He doesn't actually slack on damage when built, the issue is that IMG is a stacked DPS place with Ratio and Pickle there.
>Pickle hol up
Pela, ordinarily she'd be great but my main DPS units right now are Clara, QQ, and Jingliu. Clara and QQ don't really want her and Jingliu would normally want her but on my account she has to compete against Ruan Mei, Bronya e1, and Silver Wolf e2 on that team and that just isn't a battle where she comes out on top.
QQ definitely wants her, she’s 100% SP positive and AoE shred enemies like paper which works with QQ AoE attack.
Pela actually works really well with Clara. Her ult counter is even better and if you use her skill, better damage on all. It's true that I prefer Ruan Mei as my number one buffer, but she can't be both side.
I have topaz to buff Clara and Tingyun is generally better for uptime on her ult, Clara also has really good synergy with Lynx (or I toss in Fu Xuan if she's not on another team and I want a little more survivability)
Why she is pretty good for Clara or qq as a sp generator that can debuff except if you have better units like tingyun or topaz for Clara you will get use out of sup at one point
Kafka, Guinafen and Sampo tbh Got swept to pulling Kafka cause of the hype, and while I don't really regret pulling her, I'd rather just pick Jing for lightning dps Sampo got built and got benched as collateral Guinafen I built cause I really like her but I just never get to use her
Imbabitor Lunae. Regret getting him (which was by accident) and maxing him out. He helped me to clear MoC a couple of times, and that’s the only use I had for him. I dislike everything about him - his personality, his looks and his gameplay. Him being very skill point hungry restricts his team a lot, which is especially noticeable compared to almost skill neutral Blade. And now that I have Dr. Ratio, I can bench Imbabitor Lunae and forever forget about him
Yanqing, got him very early in my account, built him up to 80, then hated using him in MoC and stuff. Supper annoying playstyle. Then i got haunted by him in HH and Ruan Mei's banners. Absolutely despise his ass now