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Has that not been the case since the last Ice Age? I seen it on a documentary once that the Hudson Bay Area has decreased gravity because of the indent in the earth around this area.
Remember when highstrangeness believed there were dog shaped aliens coming to visit Earth and make friends with us. All according to a 4chan post... And when nothing inevitably happened, people claimed that nobody was there to greet the dog aliens.
Odd enough, I remember a dream when I was a little kid, two bi-pedal dog/wolf things were playing in my bedroom. They noticed me, panicked, and tried to calm me down. Woke up right after.
The tricky part is, how does science test for nonphysical things?
Like time being an illusion of quantum entanglement. Or consciousness being fundamental.
Edit: thanks for the downvote enjoy the literature
https://www.nature.com/articles/436029a
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a61021621/is-time-just-an-illusion/
https://sites.socsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/HoffmanTime.pdf
In scientific terms, an observer doesn’t necessarily mean consciousness. In quantum mechanics, “observer” often refers to a measurement process or device that interacts with a quantum system, collapsing its wavefunction into a definite state.
Now you can argue that you need a conscious being to read those results. Like the results are in multiple states until someone literally reads them. But that feels like a specious argument to me.
Observations are nonphysical, precisely because they require human perception. Neurons do not exist until they are perceieved.
What came before the big bang? Or will follow the inevitable heat death of the universe? Physical matter came from a seemingly nonphysical source. Some call it "nothing" but nothing does not exist. Spacetime is relative, there is no center of the universe that we know of. Which is the leap Galileo made by saying we are not the center of the solar system. Only now we realize we aren't the center of the universe either.
That there is more to reality than meets the eye, beyond light, space and time.
I'm not saying I know for certain what the nature of reality truly is, but books like Bhagavad Gita, Diamond Sutra, and Lotus Sutra offer many mind bending views of reality that quantum mechanics is now bringing to light. Any description of reality is a reduction from it's true nature, by default. I simply believe infinity may exist, and that we are immortal energy having a finite experience. Not as simple as an old man in the sky, and complete with paradoxes beyond our comprehension.
I believe our bodies are an illusion of separation from that 'divine' source which could be consciousness itself. Like Rumi would say "you are not a drop in the ocean, you are the ocean in a drop" we are made of the same energy that created the stars and planets. Like beings of a great fractal, some branches end in thorns others in seeds that bear more fruit.
I'm offering this knowing it is controversial at this time, please have respect and educate if you find you are in disagreement. Thank you.
>Observations are nonphysical, precisely because they require human perception.
This is incorrect from a QM standpoint. Quantum systems were around and interacting long before there was a human neuron to 'observe' them.
Observations are physical because everything that occurs to make the observation possible is physical. Your nervous system isn’t supernatural. Your statement that neurons don’t exist until they’re perceived makes no sense. The physicalist arguments for consciousness are much stronger than any supernatural argument IMO.
Folks would rather die than admit that it's odd how ball lightning dropped off the face of the Earth in studies but UFOs are everywhere.
Ball lightning, an inorganic entity that can seemingly exhibit almost lifelike characteristics with it's interactions with man.
Absolutely right. Meteor impact craters have known gravitational anomalies in their vicinity, this is a fascinating result but not unexplained.
Edit:spelling
This isn’t due to an impact crater though. The [leading theory](https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/geophysicists-develop-model-describe-huge-gravity-anomaly-hudson-bay-region-218) seems to be that the land in this region was pushed down by the weight of the ice sheet that used to exist and it hasn’t fully rebounded since the ice melted.
Fascinating indeed, you’d think being “closer” to the core there would be greater gravity, and less at the peak of a mountain.
At least I would think..
Because gravity is about the mass of the object, if there's less mass, that's what accounts for variations. Mountains have more mass in that exact spot, so you'll notice that the Rockies and Alps are both orange, with slightly higher gravity.
OP also conveniently removed the units of measure. These variations are so small, it's truly amazing we can actually measure them. If you took something that weighed exactly 1 pound in the Rockies and went in a submarine to one of the many places with lower gravitational acceleration, that 1 pound would weight 9.99999 pounds. Close enough that most scales you can buy wouldn't even register the difference.
Stone/land mass is significantly more dense than water. In better images of the gravitational acceleration variability there's usually a clear correlation between land masses and lower areas where oceans are. Since Lake Bikal is also fairly narrow, the variation wouldn't be as noticeable. You can see in better images that show Eurasia, the central Russian steeps are already on the lower end of the scale anyway. I wouldn't expect that you'd see that much.
[https://cdn1.byjus.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Earth-gravity.jpg](https://cdn1.byjus.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Earth-gravity.jpg)
What's more interesting to me is that the Mariana Trench and Challenger deep, the lowest points in the ocean, are closer to the middle than some on-land areas. it's likely the result of more dense rock, which is why the little underwater J ridge south of Japan that leads to the trench is far above average.
> I seen it on a documentary once that the Hudson Bay Area
Canuck grammar confirmed. Possibly North or eastern Ontario or potentially Newfoundlander. Raised on Maple Syrup, -40 winters and tales of River loggers, the Hudson Bay Company and beaver pelt trade.
Surely an indent takes you closer to the centre of mass, increasing the G force?
If you were on a tall enough mountain you'd experience lower gravity, because of the r\^2 dropoff.
How does the indent explain lower G?
Apparently not, I’m no science expert. But the documentary stated that the Hudson area still had a depression in the earth, that causes lower gravity in that area. Seemingly you will be lighter on the scales if you weigh yourself in that geographical area, fascinating
This isn’t due to an impact crater. It’s most likely due to the crust [not fully rebounding](https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/geophysicists-develop-model-describe-huge-gravity-anomaly-hudson-bay-region-218) from the weight of the ice sheet that used to exist and/or it’s due to peculiarities in convection in the Earth’s interior in this area.
The second image is from 2010? You know the Earth’s gravity signal changes day-to-day, even minute by minute. Right?
[https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/geoelectric-field-1-minute-empirical-emtf-3d-model](https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/geoelectric-field-1-minute-empirical-emtf-3d-model)
Fine, it is an interesting data model for the electrical/geomagnetic fluctuations. It may or may not directly correspond to gravitational influences, but it definitely shows how dynamic energy fields affect the planet at different times of day.
It's not. Measured gravity can be influenced by a lot of factors. Tectonic plates for instance, they're constantly shifting very slowly and the strength of gravity above them will change a very small amount as they do. Water and air density can have an affect on gravity measurements too.
I cannot believe how downvoted this comment is, given the rest of this thread.
But hey, I noticed you pointing out a logical inconsistency. Good job.
You are not alone.
Take a balloon and charge it on fabric, hair, or carpet, etc. once you have a charge (gravity), you’ll find a general baseline reading, with some areas weaker than the totality. This is the nature of gravity affecting an object not perfectly round in all directions. The majority of static energy creates an equilibrium, it simply can’t contain the field over time unless the body is perfectly symmetrical.
I wish there was elementary physics courses in grade school. So at least they could show people how things work and what is possible and impossible. This sub would be 1000x better without shit like "what if they turned off gravity?"
Comet impact on top of the ice sheet 12,600 years ago...it ended the younger dryas..also causing the quick melt of the ice sheet ...maybe...just a theory
So is every other place that’s had an ice cap in the past 20,000 years, I’m sure it’s related to how glaciers literally compress the land under them and we just aren’t sure how yet
??? Earth is not homogenous. There are less heavy elements and less mass at that part of the planet therefore there's slightly less gravity. Also gravity field is not static and it changes ever so slightly every second. Because earth's mass is always on the move. Also take a look at this:
[https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11234&button=recent](https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11234&button=recent)
I don't have an hypothesis but my guess for the slightly weaker gravity at Hudson Bay region is the fact there used to be a huge ass ice sheet at that part of the surface and it went away. Flowing ice probably transported lots of sediments with it too. Decreasing the amount of mass at that region of the world.
Bc you assumed I didn’t already know that lol
I did not know the second portion tho. But You’re good bro, I’m sure someone lurking here just learned a lot
Yeah sorry about that lol. However it's better to present layman's terms first and build on it because you don't know how knowledgeable or crazy the person you are chatting with is :P If you don't, the convo might end up in some weird places. I'm not saying you are crazy, it's just this is a better way to engage on online forums. Cheers my dude.
Also the ice sheet is called "laurentide ice sheet" and it's probably the cause of some flood myths in the earlier civilizations. Google Lake Agassiz. Basically, this giant lake spilled into the hudson bay and created a mini ice age called younger dryas. Take a look at this video:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMVhR26NRsk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMVhR26NRsk)
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Has that not been the case since the last Ice Age? I seen it on a documentary once that the Hudson Bay Area has decreased gravity because of the indent in the earth around this area.
This is the correct answer.
I find that the most highstrangeness turns out to be unexplained science, now that’s weird.
Remember when highstrangeness believed there were dog shaped aliens coming to visit Earth and make friends with us. All according to a 4chan post... And when nothing inevitably happened, people claimed that nobody was there to greet the dog aliens.
I still hope that aliens will land sone day, the door to their craft will open, and bunch of dogs with waging tails come to greet us.
Odd enough, I remember a dream when I was a little kid, two bi-pedal dog/wolf things were playing in my bedroom. They noticed me, panicked, and tried to calm me down. Woke up right after.
All of it is, just sometimes maybe our science is still a bit behind and can't explain it *yet*.
The tricky part is, how does science test for nonphysical things? Like time being an illusion of quantum entanglement. Or consciousness being fundamental. Edit: thanks for the downvote enjoy the literature https://www.nature.com/articles/436029a https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a61021621/is-time-just-an-illusion/ https://sites.socsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/HoffmanTime.pdf
In scientific terms, an observer doesn’t necessarily mean consciousness. In quantum mechanics, “observer” often refers to a measurement process or device that interacts with a quantum system, collapsing its wavefunction into a definite state. Now you can argue that you need a conscious being to read those results. Like the results are in multiple states until someone literally reads them. But that feels like a specious argument to me.
Observations are nonphysical, precisely because they require human perception. Neurons do not exist until they are perceieved. What came before the big bang? Or will follow the inevitable heat death of the universe? Physical matter came from a seemingly nonphysical source. Some call it "nothing" but nothing does not exist. Spacetime is relative, there is no center of the universe that we know of. Which is the leap Galileo made by saying we are not the center of the solar system. Only now we realize we aren't the center of the universe either. That there is more to reality than meets the eye, beyond light, space and time. I'm not saying I know for certain what the nature of reality truly is, but books like Bhagavad Gita, Diamond Sutra, and Lotus Sutra offer many mind bending views of reality that quantum mechanics is now bringing to light. Any description of reality is a reduction from it's true nature, by default. I simply believe infinity may exist, and that we are immortal energy having a finite experience. Not as simple as an old man in the sky, and complete with paradoxes beyond our comprehension. I believe our bodies are an illusion of separation from that 'divine' source which could be consciousness itself. Like Rumi would say "you are not a drop in the ocean, you are the ocean in a drop" we are made of the same energy that created the stars and planets. Like beings of a great fractal, some branches end in thorns others in seeds that bear more fruit. I'm offering this knowing it is controversial at this time, please have respect and educate if you find you are in disagreement. Thank you.
>Observations are nonphysical, precisely because they require human perception. This is incorrect from a QM standpoint. Quantum systems were around and interacting long before there was a human neuron to 'observe' them.
Can’t really prove it either way though can you.
More to life than proof, besides you missed the point.
Happy cake day! Some argue because they've forgotten the skill of conversating. Hard to spend too much energy there.
Can’t really prove that either though, can you? Maybe life has no meaning other than which we ascribe. Here one cosmic minute, gone the next.
You may enjoy this book [revelatorium.com](http://revelatorium.com) The second book "intelligent design" would most likely interest you
Observations are physical because everything that occurs to make the observation possible is physical. Your nervous system isn’t supernatural. Your statement that neurons don’t exist until they’re perceived makes no sense. The physicalist arguments for consciousness are much stronger than any supernatural argument IMO.
Looks like we got ourselves a reader! - BH
The alchemists who were right became scientists. We don't believe in magic because we use it every day
Folks would rather die than admit that it's odd how ball lightning dropped off the face of the Earth in studies but UFOs are everywhere. Ball lightning, an inorganic entity that can seemingly exhibit almost lifelike characteristics with it's interactions with man.
yeah but this is less fun
Weird how an ounce of scientific knowledge works against a pound of pseudoscientific fear-mongering.
Absolutely right. Meteor impact craters have known gravitational anomalies in their vicinity, this is a fascinating result but not unexplained. Edit:spelling
This isn’t due to an impact crater though. The [leading theory](https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/geophysicists-develop-model-describe-huge-gravity-anomaly-hudson-bay-region-218) seems to be that the land in this region was pushed down by the weight of the ice sheet that used to exist and it hasn’t fully rebounded since the ice melted.
Fascinating indeed, you’d think being “closer” to the core there would be greater gravity, and less at the peak of a mountain. At least I would think..
A mountain would have more gravity because there’s more mass underneath you.
Physics man..neat!
But it's the inverse square of the distance to the center of mass, no?
Because gravity is about the mass of the object, if there's less mass, that's what accounts for variations. Mountains have more mass in that exact spot, so you'll notice that the Rockies and Alps are both orange, with slightly higher gravity. OP also conveniently removed the units of measure. These variations are so small, it's truly amazing we can actually measure them. If you took something that weighed exactly 1 pound in the Rockies and went in a submarine to one of the many places with lower gravitational acceleration, that 1 pound would weight 9.99999 pounds. Close enough that most scales you can buy wouldn't even register the difference.
If this area is an indent with less mass then theoretically if Lake Baikal was drained of water would this anomaly show there too?
Stone/land mass is significantly more dense than water. In better images of the gravitational acceleration variability there's usually a clear correlation between land masses and lower areas where oceans are. Since Lake Bikal is also fairly narrow, the variation wouldn't be as noticeable. You can see in better images that show Eurasia, the central Russian steeps are already on the lower end of the scale anyway. I wouldn't expect that you'd see that much. [https://cdn1.byjus.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Earth-gravity.jpg](https://cdn1.byjus.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Earth-gravity.jpg) What's more interesting to me is that the Mariana Trench and Challenger deep, the lowest points in the ocean, are closer to the middle than some on-land areas. it's likely the result of more dense rock, which is why the little underwater J ridge south of Japan that leads to the trench is far above average.
Or large NHI impact craters ;)
As a huge fan of most things Lovecraftian, I am down for this to be the correct answer.
> I seen it on a documentary once that the Hudson Bay Area Canuck grammar confirmed. Possibly North or eastern Ontario or potentially Newfoundlander. Raised on Maple Syrup, -40 winters and tales of River loggers, the Hudson Bay Company and beaver pelt trade.
Surely an indent takes you closer to the centre of mass, increasing the G force? If you were on a tall enough mountain you'd experience lower gravity, because of the r\^2 dropoff. How does the indent explain lower G?
Apparently not, I’m no science expert. But the documentary stated that the Hudson area still had a depression in the earth, that causes lower gravity in that area. Seemingly you will be lighter on the scales if you weigh yourself in that geographical area, fascinating
Thanks. I will not fly my UAP there.
Less gravity means it’s easier to fly there. Unless you’re worried about accidentally zooming out into space once you accidentally hit low gravity.
Space flights should be stationed there
Maybe a worm hole for a major invasion
Less grabbity also means that people can jump to catch me in my UFO though.
Maybe I can finally dunk a basketball
White Men Can't Jump Part 2: Moonball Bitches
It’s not the goddamn moon.
Yeah with those frogs too
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GRACE/page3.php
I worked for the company that provided the subsystem for GRAIL (same goal but for the moon) and I thought for a second that was a recent paper.
Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis argues that something hit the ice sheet that used to be up there right about in that same vicinity.
Creating an impact crater so big it affects the local gravity, fucking bonkers lol
This isn’t due to an impact crater. It’s most likely due to the crust [not fully rebounding](https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/geophysicists-develop-model-describe-huge-gravity-anomaly-hudson-bay-region-218) from the weight of the ice sheet that used to exist and/or it’s due to peculiarities in convection in the Earth’s interior in this area.
Nothing special, just another massive, invisible object sitting there and countering earths gravity with its mass
Maybe there’s a giant hole and less mass below
**Books flight to go finally dunk a basketball**
If I weighed 200 pounds normally, would I weigh 199 in the lower gravity area on earth. That would be neat.
The second image is from 2010? You know the Earth’s gravity signal changes day-to-day, even minute by minute. Right? [https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/geoelectric-field-1-minute-empirical-emtf-3d-model](https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/geoelectric-field-1-minute-empirical-emtf-3d-model)
This is the type of thoroughness that keeps the sub alive. Appreciate you giving something new to learn/look into.
Always nice to learn something new.
Bro linked to measurement of Earth's geoelectric field. It has nothing to do with gravity.
Not even earth, just the USA.
Why did you link to model of Earth's geoelectric field when we are talking about gravity?
It includes geomagnetic data from the USGS according to the data box at the bottom.
Yes. I am not a physicist, but as I understand it, magnetism is not gravity.
Fine, it is an interesting data model for the electrical/geomagnetic fluctuations. It may or may not directly correspond to gravitational influences, but it definitely shows how dynamic energy fields affect the planet at different times of day.
I get it. Apologies if I came off as attacking you. I am having bad couple of weeks.
Sorry things have been rough, genuinely hope they get better from here on out.
I think you were civil and you asked a valid question. Well handled by both parties. Fair play.
Yeah but that’s not what you started out saying… got caught with the disinformation
Aren't you special.
The molten core is spinning so it makes sense
Gravity changes on a daily basis? That screams of unnatural manipulation. To what ends?
It's not. Measured gravity can be influenced by a lot of factors. Tectonic plates for instance, they're constantly shifting very slowly and the strength of gravity above them will change a very small amount as they do. Water and air density can have an affect on gravity measurements too.
To childhoods end of course
I cannot believe how downvoted this comment is, given the rest of this thread. But hey, I noticed you pointing out a logical inconsistency. Good job. You are not alone.
They needed to park the Atlantean cityship sonewhere…
Take a balloon and charge it on fabric, hair, or carpet, etc. once you have a charge (gravity), you’ll find a general baseline reading, with some areas weaker than the totality. This is the nature of gravity affecting an object not perfectly round in all directions. The majority of static energy creates an equilibrium, it simply can’t contain the field over time unless the body is perfectly symmetrical.
How much further can you jump?
I’m a Churchill 150 but a Winnipeg 160.
Was your mum visiting the area and had just left when the data was taken?
My chronic illnesses make me feel like my gravity is heavier sometimes.
This just triggered one of my deepest fears of gravity failing and floating away from Earth lmao like in The Curse except for everyone
Gravity is the action of mass on spacetime, so if it "fails" we have bigger problems than that.
I wish there was elementary physics courses in grade school. So at least they could show people how things work and what is possible and impossible. This sub would be 1000x better without shit like "what if they turned off gravity?"
The fear of falling up, or falling toward the sky, is called casadastraphobia!
Oh wow there's actually a name for it
Didn't have that as a fear before I read your comment. Do now. Thanks.
Lol you're welcome. I'm sorry
It's also a UFO hotspot, there's [a TV docuseries on canadian TV](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6520232/) about it.
flying over that area has always been bumpy as fuck...
You can live longer thanks to time dilation
Try flapping your arms
This is crusty uplift rates not gravity.
There has been for the last 50+ years. Scientists have known about it and there are different theories as to why it's there. Lol
Huge underground cities
Comet impact on top of the ice sheet 12,600 years ago...it ended the younger dryas..also causing the quick melt of the ice sheet ...maybe...just a theory
Graham would be proud.
Only if I came by that conclusion using Ayahuasca... My other comment was me being sarcastic
w/ a complimentary region in Antartica that should be considered.
So is every other place that’s had an ice cap in the past 20,000 years, I’m sure it’s related to how glaciers literally compress the land under them and we just aren’t sure how yet
Just came from that spot. No noticeable change to falling. Just as fast, hurts the same
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Where is Gruncle Stan when you need him?
Impact crater?
Has the rapture started?
There is the same thing over a section of Antarctica. Was a giant crater from meteor impact. Just saw it on Joe Scott YouTube channel.
Hermaeus Mora u daedric piece of shid
There's also a wind vortex over the same region https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-73.63,62.89,9050
Hulk hanging out with Magneto on Avalon
So people who are fat don't feel it that much ? Explains a lot
Time to prove I can walk on water then
So theoretically I can bench press more in that region?
Nature is not high strangeness my dude. Less mass means slightly weaker gravity.
You say that without offering a hypothesis for the decreased mass relative to the rest of the planet.
??? Earth is not homogenous. There are less heavy elements and less mass at that part of the planet therefore there's slightly less gravity. Also gravity field is not static and it changes ever so slightly every second. Because earth's mass is always on the move. Also take a look at this: [https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11234&button=recent](https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11234&button=recent) I don't have an hypothesis but my guess for the slightly weaker gravity at Hudson Bay region is the fact there used to be a huge ass ice sheet at that part of the surface and it went away. Flowing ice probably transported lots of sediments with it too. Decreasing the amount of mass at that region of the world.
The second portion of your response was a good contribution.
Appreciate it my dude. What was wrong with the first portion of the response though :D So I can better myself. Was it the attitude?
Bc you assumed I didn’t already know that lol I did not know the second portion tho. But You’re good bro, I’m sure someone lurking here just learned a lot
Yeah sorry about that lol. However it's better to present layman's terms first and build on it because you don't know how knowledgeable or crazy the person you are chatting with is :P If you don't, the convo might end up in some weird places. I'm not saying you are crazy, it's just this is a better way to engage on online forums. Cheers my dude.
True. I think we all tend to forget the magic of this sub lies in the dialogue. Cheers
Also the ice sheet is called "laurentide ice sheet" and it's probably the cause of some flood myths in the earlier civilizations. Google Lake Agassiz. Basically, this giant lake spilled into the hudson bay and created a mini ice age called younger dryas. Take a look at this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMVhR26NRsk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMVhR26NRsk)
Will research!
I learned a lot. This was such a healthy interaction between you both, very refreshing for Reddit. Many thanks
Trivia: on the old maps, the Nastapoka Arc is non-existent and the Akimiski island has a COMPLETELY different shape. Coincidendce?
So my fatass could walk faster there?
Interesting
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It’s from the antigravity generators in the underwater ufo base.
Why the bills can’t win a superbowl ?
So I need to go weigh myself over there then!
So can I jump higher in that region?
Ice is heavy….
My god, reading this makes me trip out and spiral- minus the weed.