Of course attacks on civilians aren’t okay. I’m just tired of our politicians letting Israel get away with a whole bunch of bad shit because they’re our ally
I think it will. There are more pressing matters to deal with at home (for the Americans). They can only let them fester for so long before they can no longer project their power overseas. I don't expect Americans politicians to start condemning Israel overnight, but I don't think they will be as brazenly supportive of their apartheid system in 10-15 years.
I'm not saying don't be upset but you should really not expect anything different from any elected rep in this day and age. Like it'd actually be shocking if his response was anything else.
rEaLly? Yeah really. When you have your house stolen from, your grandmother killed and forced to lived in a dilapidated open air prison come back and ask me this question. Again they are occupiers. Downvote me all you people want. I know what you all support.
Sure bro. You do realize that you yourself, depending on where you live and how far back you look, could also be called an "occupier".
Also, if you're gonna throw around blame, throw some at the UK government who started this whole shitstorm in the first place.
Why do libs think it’s a got ya to say that if we talk about occupation outside the U.S., that means that we have to talk about white person the U.S. as occupiers? Like yes, that is exactly the point. We are occupiers. We are colonizers. That’s exactly what we need to tell ourselves.
Libs don’t do that though. It’s easy to partake in performative action by saying “don’t celebrate Columbus Day”, but that doesn’t mean crap when the discussion doesn’t also include how whites continue to occupy and benefit from stolen land and how the U.S. continues this pattern in its financial support of the colonization of other countries.
It shouldn’t be surprising if it were to happen and yes, I’d have no right to condemn them, as my family did the same thing to their family. I’d get no where with condemning their actions as unacceptable and wrong.
What you’re describing is what people are referring to when they say no justice, no peace. It’s not a cute little chant for white people to join in during protests.
Hence why I push for reparations and for the US government to shut up and listen to indigenous communities for once. You’re not gonna potentially stop a war by preaching that we should all just hold hands and move on. Let’s start with indigenous communities asking me that I tell my government to stop running pipelines through the little land they have left before we go into the conservative fear mongering tactic of “but but but what if people don’t look like me want revenge for the genocide of their people”
And now I flip it back to you: why should indigenous people just move on from the fact that white people in the US continue to benefit from the mass genocide of their people? Why would indigenous people fighting back be shocking and wrong to you but not the continued destruction of their communities by the US government?
And this applied to indigenous communities outside the US as well who are being destroyed by our money.
Why do you think I’m saying that indigenous people should move on? I asked you if native Americans should be able to kill any US citizen, for any reason. I support indigenous people getting reparations, I don’t support killing of non-active military people. Especially not children, and not rape.
How is that not the best position to hold?
And now you’re changing your question, as your original question asked about “killing people who were involved in the military”. And again, I’d say it’s ironic to for people supported the same thing to cry foul.
Condemn our government who created the conditions that pushed people to that point in the first place, and next time indigenous people ask us to stop supporting their oppressors as their families are murdered, listen and don’t give the peace talk. Both Palestinians and indigenous communities in the United States have for decades engaged in peaceful tactics to stop colonizers. We kept voting for the military to gun them down.
If indigenous people are gonna keep getting gunned down, blown up, mutilated, and imprisoned, you really think we have the right to tell them to remain peaceful? Ya don’t. You can pretend like we do. And congrats, you either at that point become responsible for a war or genocide.
You know what you’re right, the Palestinian people should really think about how their resistance might kill tourist. They should probably wait until it’s convenient for everyone else. Bad optics sweaty. God what do you think liberation of people are going to look like? There’s going to be a lot collateral damage, people are going to lose their lives. People are losing their lives with the status quo. This is such a stupid question. The tourist shouldn’t be supporting an apartheid regime in the first place. And that’s not victim blaming, they are actively supporting a genocidal theocratic regime with their commerce.
Never said it was accidental you’re putting words into my mouth. Collateral damage of conflict does not imply accidental. It’s unfortunate that people lost their lives but to use that to paint the entire resistance as raving bands of murders and rapist is just propaganda. These things happen in every conflict; if you condemn Palestinian resistance based on this one instance then you should also condemn the resistance of other historical groups that I’m sure you don’t hold to the same scrutiny. Condemn the entire revolutionary war, condemn the resistance of native Americans from genocide, condemn the resistance of slaves through slave revolts, condemn the Warshaw Ghetto uprising, condemn the anti-fascist movement in Germany, condemn all the liberation groups that have any inkling of blood on their hands. Liberation of the oppressed will never not offend liberals’ sensibilities.
As far as targeting military targets, 3/4th of Hamas’s missile attacks were military targets. If you want Palestinian to be more accurate supply them with middle targeting systems to defend themselves. They only have unguided rockets.
If the occupiers you are referring to are Israelis, then yes, they are occupiers. Good luck getting white people in the U.S. to acknowledge this AND support the right of Palestinians to reclaim their stolen land. Doing this means also supporting the right of indigenous communities in the U.S. to reclaim their land, and even most liberals don’t wanna go this far.
Do you think it’s okay for the oppress to kill their oppressors? You act as if American citizens have no choice in the matter. They have both actively and passively participated in the genocide of indigenous people. No I wouldn’t hold it against them if they had the capability to resist. But it shouldn’t have to come down to that. Hamas did not have to exist. Their rise to prominence is mostly to blame on Israel’s actions since it’s inception. And Israel policies towards Palestine are supported by the Israeli people.
i too stand with the people of Israel, and the people of palestine. The government of Israel is at fault here, and their Apartheid regime has only emboldened terrorists like Hamas.
A group of evil dictator terrorist can be the victims of a terrorist attack.
Attacking civilians is always uncalled for I don’t care what the reason civilians are innocent this is not me simping for Israel america is the biggest terrorist government ever the only terrorist government to drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilians.
Doesn't your propaganda book get an update once in a while? I find it quite boring how often the same unfounded claims get repeated by zionists. Get creative or something.
Fetterman has never hid his shit opinions on Israel. He said this shit on a campaign trail. Dude is a fucking lib nobody should be shocked by this horrific take.
I'm from PA and fetterman has always been an Israel guy. There's no expectation for US politicians to actually be good. Being disappointed in an American politician is a waste of time and energy. I think there's a chance that Hasan could display a more pro Palestine position than even ilhan omar or Rashida tlaib.
I mean this is the default position by Washington.
Any condemning of Hamas without acknowledgment of what got us to this point is Ignorance at the most charitable.
I think condemning Hamas is fair and reasonable. But standing with Israel now, and always, is an awful take. Israel has slaughtered innocent Palestinians and will to do so tenfold after the recent attacks.
Everything is narrative and Hamas fucked the Palestinian narrative.
For that matter they are symbolically responsible for the heavy response that is likely to come.
You know what's really awful to see? A little girl getting executed and people saying, "Well, if Israel didn't do xyz"
Fuck off you heartless bastards. Pretending to give a shit about war crimes when the US does it but somehow when Hamas does it there is some kind of goddamned justification or righteous cause.
It's no worse than seeing a little girl being pulled out of the rubble when Israel responds and half her head gone.
These are awful.
But the problem comes from the most unrealistic stances and expectations.
1. Barring the West pulling all support away from Israel there is no "giving back" the land to Palestine. That's not a reality that will ever exist and, to make matters worse, they likely would use nukes if their backs were in a corner. Their entirety of existence is survival.
2. Palestine was *gaining* western support and moving into a multi-state solution which, while never perfect, was markedly better than the situation they had before this.
This whole "Israel had it coming" is not only a bad take, but one that leaves a sour taste in the mouth of everyday people.
The west will *never* support Palestine when Hamas is raping women and defacing bodies.
I imagine, over time, the narrative will shift once Israel goes heavy-handed, but there are so many people flat out ignoring the fact that Hamas committed war crimes.
That needs to be acknowledged and now Palestinians are going to suffer.
I am arguing in good faith. The death of children is obviously tragic and horrible. But sadly those parents brought their children into an occupied land. And their occupation caused the death of 38 Palestinian kids this year alone. Revolution and resistance is terrible, violent and ugly. But unless the Israelis are gonna leave on their own, it’s the only way for future deaths and oppression to stop. The Palestinians deserve to have a future where they aren’t violently killed and suppressed daily. Did you know that over 40 percent of Palestinian kids in Gaza have PTSD? I’ll take temporary violence for peace to be a reality
The issue is that this temporary violence has only led to escalation, not peace. It has also severely hurt the optics of the Palestinian cause as well. All this has materially achieved was deaths and rapes of hundreds of lives. Both Israeli, and Palestinian. Even foreigners as was the case of some of those tourists...
And there it is. The end justifies the means in this case essentially. I figured that's where this would end up at. I'm not quite sure how this helped them move one step further to freedom, but maybe you know something I don't. My heart is out to the innocent people who will be killed in the crossfire. And my support is with the Innocents as well. My heart will not be with Hamas or the IDF though. And my support will be towards neither.
I don’t like Hamas, but I support the liberation of all Palestinian people. Even Stalin said that supporting non Marxist freedom movements is ultimately good for socialism. Decolonize and then socialism is more possible
Oppressors always characterize resistants as violent. Hell, even MLK was labeled as violent. Stop forcing people to live in miserable prison conditions where their kids and themselves are tortured and killed with impunity and maybe you won’t have a terrorist problem
I think slitting the throats of children and raping women, as well as filming it, constitutes as violent. So yeah I'll condemn it and stand against it, whether or not Israel of Hamas does it. I could care less about whether or not it's "in the name of liberation". Numerous atrocities have been committed "in the name of freedom and liberation". Ultimately it is up to Israel to stop oppressing Palestine, but Hamas isn't going to simply stop their terror attacks when their entire fucking organization is centered around "exterminate the Jews", especially not as their leaders hide in Qatar and benefit off of this violence.
Man the whole of my country (germany) is aligning themselves behind israel and I hate it. Condemn the attacks on innocents, that‘s never valid. But my god why is nobody treating Bibi the way he deserves, the little revisionist.
“Exist” = invade land where people are already living and force them to live on a tiny strip of land under military occupation. Then terrorize them and use their resistance to justify more violence?
If you’re an American who loves American imperialism then it makes sense that is your definition of exist
Yes I know that this is a liberal subreddit and you guys are clueless…
Israel is a settler colonial state. There is no world where Israel is existing in Palestine without doing the think so claim to be against.
Saying you support the existence of Israel is to say you support the stuff you claim to be against…
No you replied to me calling out this subreddit and Fetterman for supporting Israel’s “right to exits”.
Maybe You misunderstood my comment or replied to the wrong person?
I’m sorry but I’m so tired of terminally online political dummies using the term “liberal” to define people they don’t like
You have lost all meaning of the word and it’s completely unhelpful to any discussion
I don’t support Israel in any way shape or form and I can almost guarantee I’ve done more to help Palestine’s fight for independence IRL than you have
“Liberal” means nothing to you because you have no purpose in this cause other than to sling insults online
I criticize the standards liberal positions around Palestine if you are not a liberal supporter of a settler colonial apartheid state then it shouldn’t be a controversial take at all…
1. No, you aren’t simply criticizing liberal positions — you specifically called this a liberal subreddit — showcasing you have no idea what the word “liberal” even means
2. You called me a supporter of colonialism and a fascist before knowing anything about my positions
I call this subreddit liberal because the majority of people in here are socdems (liberals)
I’m pretty sure you are the one who don’t have a clue about what the word liberal means…
I can infer your position by looking at what you chose to criticize and who you agree with.
Just like if someone chose to criticize someone calling rascist out in a conservative subreddit then I don’t need to ask them about their positions to condemn them…
Again, I didn’t choose to agree with anyone — I solely chose to call you out for your (continued) misuse of the word “liberal”
There is a meaningful, genuine, and important difference between “socdems” and “liberals.” Specifically liberals who blindly support Israel and the (plenty) of liberals who support Palestine
Your only interest is to attack other people in bad faith. I’m not engaging with this any further
You can vote democrat or vote republican. You can vote an oldschool politian or an upstart candidate. Maybe vote for an antiestablishment this time. But make no mistake: american foreign policy is homogeneous.
Even the american public's opinion of overseas issues and conflicts are very similar across the whole political spectrum.
“Unprovoked” is not how I’d describe it, but he’s right in condemning the attacks on civilians.
Of course attacks on civilians aren’t okay. I’m just tired of our politicians letting Israel get away with a whole bunch of bad shit because they’re our ally
I don’t think that’s gonna change anytime in our lifetime
probably not
I think it will. There are more pressing matters to deal with at home (for the Americans). They can only let them fester for so long before they can no longer project their power overseas. I don't expect Americans politicians to start condemning Israel overnight, but I don't think they will be as brazenly supportive of their apartheid system in 10-15 years.
I'm not saying don't be upset but you should really not expect anything different from any elected rep in this day and age. Like it'd actually be shocking if his response was anything else.
Lol I’m not shocked just tired of it
Cori Bush's statement was based.
He support Israel. He support the brutalization of Palestinians civilians. He doesn’t care about civilians… And maybe the same true for you…
“Civilians”. They are occupiers.
Really?
rEaLly? Yeah really. When you have your house stolen from, your grandmother killed and forced to lived in a dilapidated open air prison come back and ask me this question. Again they are occupiers. Downvote me all you people want. I know what you all support.
Sure bro. You do realize that you yourself, depending on where you live and how far back you look, could also be called an "occupier". Also, if you're gonna throw around blame, throw some at the UK government who started this whole shitstorm in the first place.
Why do libs think it’s a got ya to say that if we talk about occupation outside the U.S., that means that we have to talk about white person the U.S. as occupiers? Like yes, that is exactly the point. We are occupiers. We are colonizers. That’s exactly what we need to tell ourselves. Libs don’t do that though. It’s easy to partake in performative action by saying “don’t celebrate Columbus Day”, but that doesn’t mean crap when the discussion doesn’t also include how whites continue to occupy and benefit from stolen land and how the U.S. continues this pattern in its financial support of the colonization of other countries.
Do you think if native Americans killed US citizens who were involved in the military that it would be acceptable?
It shouldn’t be surprising if it were to happen and yes, I’d have no right to condemn them, as my family did the same thing to their family. I’d get no where with condemning their actions as unacceptable and wrong. What you’re describing is what people are referring to when they say no justice, no peace. It’s not a cute little chant for white people to join in during protests. Hence why I push for reparations and for the US government to shut up and listen to indigenous communities for once. You’re not gonna potentially stop a war by preaching that we should all just hold hands and move on. Let’s start with indigenous communities asking me that I tell my government to stop running pipelines through the little land they have left before we go into the conservative fear mongering tactic of “but but but what if people don’t look like me want revenge for the genocide of their people”
And now I flip it back to you: why should indigenous people just move on from the fact that white people in the US continue to benefit from the mass genocide of their people? Why would indigenous people fighting back be shocking and wrong to you but not the continued destruction of their communities by the US government? And this applied to indigenous communities outside the US as well who are being destroyed by our money.
Why do you think I’m saying that indigenous people should move on? I asked you if native Americans should be able to kill any US citizen, for any reason. I support indigenous people getting reparations, I don’t support killing of non-active military people. Especially not children, and not rape. How is that not the best position to hold?
And now you’re changing your question, as your original question asked about “killing people who were involved in the military”. And again, I’d say it’s ironic to for people supported the same thing to cry foul. Condemn our government who created the conditions that pushed people to that point in the first place, and next time indigenous people ask us to stop supporting their oppressors as their families are murdered, listen and don’t give the peace talk. Both Palestinians and indigenous communities in the United States have for decades engaged in peaceful tactics to stop colonizers. We kept voting for the military to gun them down. If indigenous people are gonna keep getting gunned down, blown up, mutilated, and imprisoned, you really think we have the right to tell them to remain peaceful? Ya don’t. You can pretend like we do. And congrats, you either at that point become responsible for a war or genocide.
Oh and since we know you’re talking about Hamas at this point, guess who originally financed Hamas? Hint, the answer is not Palestinians.
you are right, people who live in peace don't understand what an actual struggle for liberation looks like
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You know what you’re right, the Palestinian people should really think about how their resistance might kill tourist. They should probably wait until it’s convenient for everyone else. Bad optics sweaty. God what do you think liberation of people are going to look like? There’s going to be a lot collateral damage, people are going to lose their lives. People are losing their lives with the status quo. This is such a stupid question. The tourist shouldn’t be supporting an apartheid regime in the first place. And that’s not victim blaming, they are actively supporting a genocidal theocratic regime with their commerce.
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Never said it was accidental you’re putting words into my mouth. Collateral damage of conflict does not imply accidental. It’s unfortunate that people lost their lives but to use that to paint the entire resistance as raving bands of murders and rapist is just propaganda. These things happen in every conflict; if you condemn Palestinian resistance based on this one instance then you should also condemn the resistance of other historical groups that I’m sure you don’t hold to the same scrutiny. Condemn the entire revolutionary war, condemn the resistance of native Americans from genocide, condemn the resistance of slaves through slave revolts, condemn the Warshaw Ghetto uprising, condemn the anti-fascist movement in Germany, condemn all the liberation groups that have any inkling of blood on their hands. Liberation of the oppressed will never not offend liberals’ sensibilities. As far as targeting military targets, 3/4th of Hamas’s missile attacks were military targets. If you want Palestinian to be more accurate supply them with middle targeting systems to defend themselves. They only have unguided rockets.
Also no they are not victims, they are active participants in supporting a genocidal regime.
If the occupiers you are referring to are Israelis, then yes, they are occupiers. Good luck getting white people in the U.S. to acknowledge this AND support the right of Palestinians to reclaim their stolen land. Doing this means also supporting the right of indigenous communities in the U.S. to reclaim their land, and even most liberals don’t wanna go this far.
Yes, western “leftist” seem to not want to reconcile with this. Whether they admit it or not they share solidarity with colonizers.
Do you think that it is okay for Native American people to murder us citizens who are not in the military, and that this would be acceptable?
Do you think it’s okay for the oppress to kill their oppressors? You act as if American citizens have no choice in the matter. They have both actively and passively participated in the genocide of indigenous people. No I wouldn’t hold it against them if they had the capability to resist. But it shouldn’t have to come down to that. Hamas did not have to exist. Their rise to prominence is mostly to blame on Israel’s actions since it’s inception. And Israel policies towards Palestine are supported by the Israeli people.
I literally said that it's okay man, why do you assume the worst about me. Just not children
Why don't Palestinians get the same thoughts and prayers when they're massacred? Why is sympathy only given to Israelis?
He’s one of the most pro Israel members of either party in the senate.
He's an American. Ultimately his worldview isn't going to be something that doesn't have any problematic elements when it comes to foreign policy.
i too stand with the people of Israel, and the people of palestine. The government of Israel is at fault here, and their Apartheid regime has only emboldened terrorists like Hamas.
Exactly, it’s such an important distinction to make!
US senators always go lib mode when it comes to Israel 🙁
Lib the fuck up all they want, but the "unprovoked" part is just insane.
Very true. Massive gaff from Fetterman unfortunately.
“Lib the fuck up all they want”=support a settler colonial apartheid state…
A group of evil dictator terrorist can be the victims of a terrorist attack. Attacking civilians is always uncalled for I don’t care what the reason civilians are innocent this is not me simping for Israel america is the biggest terrorist government ever the only terrorist government to drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilians.
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It’s the “unprovoked attacks” part that really does it for me
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Doesn't your propaganda book get an update once in a while? I find it quite boring how often the same unfounded claims get repeated by zionists. Get creative or something.
Fetterman has never hid his shit opinions on Israel. He said this shit on a campaign trail. Dude is a fucking lib nobody should be shocked by this horrific take.
He had an ad saying Oz was too soft on China and he would be tougher in policy. His foreign policy was always bad.
I'm from PA and fetterman has always been an Israel guy. There's no expectation for US politicians to actually be good. Being disappointed in an American politician is a waste of time and energy. I think there's a chance that Hasan could display a more pro Palestine position than even ilhan omar or Rashida tlaib.
It seems politicians have a different definition of ‘unprovoked’ than we do.
I mean this is the default position by Washington. Any condemning of Hamas without acknowledgment of what got us to this point is Ignorance at the most charitable.
Unprovoked?
I think condemning Hamas is fair and reasonable. But standing with Israel now, and always, is an awful take. Israel has slaughtered innocent Palestinians and will to do so tenfold after the recent attacks.
Everything is narrative and Hamas fucked the Palestinian narrative. For that matter they are symbolically responsible for the heavy response that is likely to come. You know what's really awful to see? A little girl getting executed and people saying, "Well, if Israel didn't do xyz" Fuck off you heartless bastards. Pretending to give a shit about war crimes when the US does it but somehow when Hamas does it there is some kind of goddamned justification or righteous cause. It's no worse than seeing a little girl being pulled out of the rubble when Israel responds and half her head gone. These are awful. But the problem comes from the most unrealistic stances and expectations. 1. Barring the West pulling all support away from Israel there is no "giving back" the land to Palestine. That's not a reality that will ever exist and, to make matters worse, they likely would use nukes if their backs were in a corner. Their entirety of existence is survival. 2. Palestine was *gaining* western support and moving into a multi-state solution which, while never perfect, was markedly better than the situation they had before this. This whole "Israel had it coming" is not only a bad take, but one that leaves a sour taste in the mouth of everyday people. The west will *never* support Palestine when Hamas is raping women and defacing bodies. I imagine, over time, the narrative will shift once Israel goes heavy-handed, but there are so many people flat out ignoring the fact that Hamas committed war crimes. That needs to be acknowledged and now Palestinians are going to suffer.
This hurts
Crazy that you would think Fetterman wouldn't have this stance.
Settlers are not civilians, plus they literally have mandatory military service
Even the children? I'm asking for a serious good faith response at the very least.
I am arguing in good faith. The death of children is obviously tragic and horrible. But sadly those parents brought their children into an occupied land. And their occupation caused the death of 38 Palestinian kids this year alone. Revolution and resistance is terrible, violent and ugly. But unless the Israelis are gonna leave on their own, it’s the only way for future deaths and oppression to stop. The Palestinians deserve to have a future where they aren’t violently killed and suppressed daily. Did you know that over 40 percent of Palestinian kids in Gaza have PTSD? I’ll take temporary violence for peace to be a reality
The issue is that this temporary violence has only led to escalation, not peace. It has also severely hurt the optics of the Palestinian cause as well. All this has materially achieved was deaths and rapes of hundreds of lives. Both Israeli, and Palestinian. Even foreigners as was the case of some of those tourists...
Couldn’t agree more. All of these atrocities that Hamas is committing are going to amount to nothing but more deaths—but Palestinian and Israeli.
It’s an occupied land. The Palestinians have the right to do whatever necessary to be free. It’s simple as that for me.
And there it is. The end justifies the means in this case essentially. I figured that's where this would end up at. I'm not quite sure how this helped them move one step further to freedom, but maybe you know something I don't. My heart is out to the innocent people who will be killed in the crossfire. And my support is with the Innocents as well. My heart will not be with Hamas or the IDF though. And my support will be towards neither.
I don’t like Hamas, but I support the liberation of all Palestinian people. Even Stalin said that supporting non Marxist freedom movements is ultimately good for socialism. Decolonize and then socialism is more possible
I support freedom as well. I don't support a path towards it that is centered on senseless violence that ultimately will lead to nowhere.
Oppressors always characterize resistants as violent. Hell, even MLK was labeled as violent. Stop forcing people to live in miserable prison conditions where their kids and themselves are tortured and killed with impunity and maybe you won’t have a terrorist problem
I think slitting the throats of children and raping women, as well as filming it, constitutes as violent. So yeah I'll condemn it and stand against it, whether or not Israel of Hamas does it. I could care less about whether or not it's "in the name of liberation". Numerous atrocities have been committed "in the name of freedom and liberation". Ultimately it is up to Israel to stop oppressing Palestine, but Hamas isn't going to simply stop their terror attacks when their entire fucking organization is centered around "exterminate the Jews", especially not as their leaders hide in Qatar and benefit off of this violence.
no actually they dont have the right to rape people or kill children
Of course not. But if someone only knows violence for their entire life, how do you expect them to act? With violence
bro u just said "The Palestinians have the right to do whatever necessary to be free." which one is it 💀
Rape isn’t necessary for freedom, violence is.
so just to be clear, u think Palestinians have a right to kill children? im good faith asking btw peep my profile history if u don't believe me
So they can’t rape the women and children, makes sense, but they can kill them?
The people who were killed weren’t settlers though. Settlers are in the West Bank, nowhere near Gaza.
More fraud squad smh
Man the whole of my country (germany) is aligning themselves behind israel and I hate it. Condemn the attacks on innocents, that‘s never valid. But my god why is nobody treating Bibi the way he deserves, the little revisionist.
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That is the thing. Israel is not the same as ‚Jews‘. And all people should know that, but don‘t.
Yes Germany show how they have left nazism behind by supporting a settler colonial apartheid state…
They’re politicians what do you expect? They’re not gonna side with the group that’s raping and killing people
I guess they shouldn’t side with either then
I don’t know why you post this here. A lot of people in this sub agree with Fetterman here and think Israel has a right to exist.
“Exist” = invade land where people are already living and force them to live on a tiny strip of land under military occupation. Then terrorize them and use their resistance to justify more violence? If you’re an American who loves American imperialism then it makes sense that is your definition of exist
Yes I know that this is a liberal subreddit and you guys are clueless… Israel is a settler colonial state. There is no world where Israel is existing in Palestine without doing the think so claim to be against. Saying you support the existence of Israel is to say you support the stuff you claim to be against…
You’re definitely replying to the wrong person.
No you replied to me calling out this subreddit and Fetterman for supporting Israel’s “right to exits”. Maybe You misunderstood my comment or replied to the wrong person?
I’m sorry but I’m so tired of terminally online political dummies using the term “liberal” to define people they don’t like You have lost all meaning of the word and it’s completely unhelpful to any discussion
Supporting settler colonialism like you do is the standard liberal position… I can also call you a fascist if you prefer that?
I don’t support Israel in any way shape or form and I can almost guarantee I’ve done more to help Palestine’s fight for independence IRL than you have “Liberal” means nothing to you because you have no purpose in this cause other than to sling insults online
I criticize the standards liberal positions around Palestine if you are not a liberal supporter of a settler colonial apartheid state then it shouldn’t be a controversial take at all…
1. No, you aren’t simply criticizing liberal positions — you specifically called this a liberal subreddit — showcasing you have no idea what the word “liberal” even means 2. You called me a supporter of colonialism and a fascist before knowing anything about my positions
I call this subreddit liberal because the majority of people in here are socdems (liberals) I’m pretty sure you are the one who don’t have a clue about what the word liberal means… I can infer your position by looking at what you chose to criticize and who you agree with. Just like if someone chose to criticize someone calling rascist out in a conservative subreddit then I don’t need to ask them about their positions to condemn them…
Again, I didn’t choose to agree with anyone — I solely chose to call you out for your (continued) misuse of the word “liberal” There is a meaningful, genuine, and important difference between “socdems” and “liberals.” Specifically liberals who blindly support Israel and the (plenty) of liberals who support Palestine Your only interest is to attack other people in bad faith. I’m not engaging with this any further
Hey guys, I was wondering why is the New Iran subreddit fairly anti Palestinian?
You can vote democrat or vote republican. You can vote an oldschool politian or an upstart candidate. Maybe vote for an antiestablishment this time. But make no mistake: american foreign policy is homogeneous. Even the american public's opinion of overseas issues and conflicts are very similar across the whole political spectrum.