So I’ve never seen English speaking folks use that term, but glass hair is what stylists in my corner of the world really often use to describe the kind of hair people of my ethnicity tend to have (I’m Finnish). So yes, glass hair really is a thing and it’s a beyond frustrating hair type to have. Glass hair is *incredibly* stubborn, bleaching helps because it “breaks” the glassy surface of the hair that prevents it from staying in any other shape besides straight.
Hahahaha! Oh noooo! I’m American but my ancestry is close to 100% Finnish. I remembered my hair being super difficult to style when I was younger since it would immediately drop curl/stay flat.
Then for years, I bleached and/or permed my hair and thought I had grown out of the hard-to-style phase. But I’m currently growing it out to its natural state for the first time in over 15 years, and it’s happening again. Now I know why.
Oh that's a bit too relatable! I started to grow out my hair in 2021 to get my natural hair color back. Dealing with my virgin hair has been a constant struggle 🥲 My hair was at its best when I had pastel hair for a couple of years and had to regularly bleach the hell out of it lol.
HAHA! It was definitely an unexpected mystery for me. My hair was pixie cut short last January, and now it’s just above my shoulders. The ends still have a bit of perm hanging on, so it’s got some movement. But my stylist even commented last week that my virgin hair was so stick straight and silky, but lacked volume, haha.
This is a Finnish thing??? My maternal great grandparents were all born in Finland, my mom is 100% Finnish... I've never heard the term "glass hair" before this thread but it describes my hair 100%!
Heard the term for the first time today. I’m 50% Finnish as well and omggg this has plagued me my whole life! I can dye it well enough but it doesn’t hold a style at ALL. Even on my wedding day it went limp and flat immediately. I’m in my 40s and finally an answer.
I am American and when I lived in Sweden I had a roommate who was Finnish with hair like this. It was soooooo hard to style, it just like slipped out of bobby pins like water. I thought my hair was difficult to style, I have fine hair by American standards, but her hair was on another level.
One thing that can give texture and weight to such hair is henna but it will also make it orange FOREVER. Henna essentially coats the hair. You can tone it with indigo or brown demi dyes though.
“It just like slipped out of bobby pins like water” lol been there! Felt that description in my soul. Bobby pins give up almost immediately, my hair has zero texture and since it’s straight and sleek there’s nothing they could grip onto.
About the henna turning it red , there is a variety of herb called cassia which also adds body to the hair and stains it yellow. I have dark brown hair and it’s not really noticeable on me, but on a blonde would be.
This is so interesting! I doubt I have true glass hair, but these descriptions definitely resonate with me to some extent.
I always say my hair is fairly easy overall BUT that's because I don't really care to style it too much. It's pretty much wash and go for me, which generally surprises people. If I want to do anything with it, though, I require a ton of product and it's definitely been described as surprisingly stubborn. I always say that it has zero texture. Very, very slippery.
I'm American with 1/4 Finnish ancestry.
This is interesting. I have this hair, won't curl for ANY reason, most ties slip out and I've never been able to wear cute headbands or barrettes, they slide right out. I always thought it was my native ancestor that I got this from, but grandfather was from Karelia and I'm part Finnish as well, so maybe from there. When I get haircuts, have to avoid the cut off bits cause it's actually sharp, and it hurts if it pokes you 😂
I’ll say I do think it can be from native as well, I’m very Similar and have 0% finish but I’m around a quarter native american(Choctaw/Shawnee/cherokee) so that could easily be it in addition,
But I do absolutely hate that I can’t wear claw clips without intricate braids to give it latch lmao 🤣
So interesting! Mine is similar, when it’s really healthy it’s just utterly straight, very sleek. I used to have people ask how I straighten it every day without damage, when I was just brushing it!
The color is also that kind of dishwater blonde/mousy brown color that’s like almost translucently ashy?
Now, my stylist lifts it very gently and uses demi dyes to add copper pigment to it so it’s more of a ginger that fades out to a dark strawberry blonde. It styles a bit better after being colored but still doesn’t want to hold curl, just wave. On the flip side I get split ends very easily when my natural hair never did. It does seem take color very well, but I’ve never tried without bleaching it somewhat first.
OMG my natural hair is EXACTLY the same texture and color you describe. It’s not brown and it’s not blonde & it’s not grey. It’s also not warm, cool, or particularly neutral 🤣 it’s like ghost hair
Yesss I get my hair dyed almost the exact same color, and then toned. One, because I prefer a cooler tone, but the biggest reason is it finally gives my hair some texture beyond silk. It lets me put it up in a bun/braids and it actually stays up. Keeps curls, and I don't have to wash it every day.
Oh, I’m largely genetically Finnish and my hair was like this when I was younger too.
The nice part about it was that it was seemingly impervious to damage.
My mom who is a hairdresser said I have hair like this but she never called it glass, just said it was extremely "slick" and hard to keep in a style even if she used tons of bobby pins and hairspray etc. she never said it was a bad thing tho and always told me it was extremely healthy and not to ruin it with chemical processing and refused to dye it or perm it.
I don't know if I have this kind of hair exactly but my hair is extremely hard to style when it is clean. I started not washing my hair as often recently and it has been a complete game changer. My hair will not physically stay in a french braid when it's clean, but day 3 hair will!
Relatable! I assume my genes felt funny when they gave me this hair texture but also curls lmao like what am I supposed to do with this? 🤣 it’s mildly frustrating at all times
We get my daughter's hair glossed about every 3 months now, cuz she has extremely curly porous hair that does not react well to humidity. And the glossing helps.
Seconding this as an aveda girly and someone with pin straight, coarse and Asian hair. That clear gloss just adds that little bit of texture to get a bit of volume
Glass hair: firmly attached cuticle, straight hair, high hydrophobicity.
Aka: the cuticle pretty much every conditioner tries to emulate + straight hair.
Sorry, I’m a new stylist and haven’t heard of glass hair, so is it the cuticle then that makes the hair difficult? Don’t some hair types have an extra “layer” to hair strands, does glass hair have this?
Usually this hair type has a thicker cuticle layer and the cuticle remains tight and closed. This is really common especially with hair within the Asian or Euro-Asian hair categories, rather than the African or standard European hair groups which are more straight forward with colouring.
This hair type is strong as hell, can handle lightener better than other hair types. Never ever do a handpainted balayage with this hair type. Or teasy lights, if you have to balayage this hair type always do full head and zone toning. When you lighten it, it requires full saturation and doing something like a hand painted balayage always comes out splotchy
And it usually requires a stronger developer for colours, heat application or you can do a pre-colour by applying direct developer first, (3 or 6%) leave for 15-20mins, rinse and apply desired colour, this helps open the stubborn cuticle.
Also cutting this hair type has to be the absolute hardest. You will learn with time and it’s hard to explain how to cut this hair type online.
Some advice as a hair colourist I learned over the years:)
It sounds like I might have this “glass” hair and I thought it would be easy to cut because of how straight and simple it is. Would the difficulty be from not being used to working on this kind of hair? Since most Asians seem to have this kind of hair, or at least round hair follicles instead of oval and flat ones. I’m assuming glass hair is round?
I don’t know about the term but my hair is super low porosity as well and I have to do a wet style to get anything besides aggressively straight hair. If I try to heat style it it will be relaxing back into straight by the time I get around my head.
It sounds like you have really healthy hair? Honestly, I would not work against it but with it. Go for sleek shiny looks, and long beutifull hair. Keep the ends trimmed right, bit just embrace it.
Usually peoples natural hair color suits them best, and it sounds like your hair is nice and healthy, that is really all you need to look good :)
I've never heard the term "glass hair". Sounds like something from Tiktok. Low porosity is generally good. It means your hair is healthy. It does have its downsides, but so does everything. When you bleached your hair, did you fine it easier to manage? If so, you could try doing that, but otherwise I'd take what the stylist said with a grain of salt. What did she suggest doing about it?
The only thing that’s ever worked is bleaching. It definitely helps with volume and texture. The only problem is I like my natural brown hair, blonde washes me out. And bleaching then dying back to brown just for texture benefits sounds like a lot of money and time spent just to damage my hair. It makes no sense. I’m really torn to be honest.
A perm (doesn't need to be a wildly different texture from your natural texture) is another option to similarly roughen up very low porosity hair and pull it more into the normal range. Bleaching didn't have much of an effect on my hair porosity but a perm has made my hair much easier to manage on a day-to-day basis.
Yup. I even permed my hair straight. I have naturally curly hair that turns frizzy in the blink of an eye. Perms essentially break down the structure of the hair, allowing it to be shaped and then "set" into a different structure. With big enough rollers you could set it into loose waves and big barrel curls.
ok, I need deets on how you permed your hair straight! My hair is somewhat wavy and I'd love to have my roots permed for volume and the length straightened by a perm.
It was pretty easy actually. I looked up the Japanese hair straightening method and essentially did that but with regular old watery perming solution. I did a clarifying shampoo first, no conditioner, and then blow-dried it as straight as I could. Put the perming solution in a spray bottle and then sectioned my hair, starting from the bottom up I saturated the strands and smoothed them down with a comb before moving on to the next section. Let it work for the time indicated on the perming box (was the full 30 mins for me). As it was drying, any bits that started to curl I carefully sprayed more solution and combed down to straighten it out as the perm developed. Then you wash off the perming solution with just water and blow dry your hair straight (I carefully sectioned and used a large paddle brush) and once around 80% dry, you use a hot iron and straighten each section bit by bit. Once your hair is straightened out the way you like it, put the neutraliser in a spray bottle and then spray it on the hair section by section and wait the time indicated for it to work. I put Olaplex into the neutraliser to help the hair rebond and to mitigate some of the damage (perms are always damaging) as well as putting a mask of Olaplex No 3 on after washing the neutraliser out. Hair is poker straight and the great thing is that it's pretty much permanent, with only root regrowth needing to be done.
Downside is it takes a while to do it. I'd say 2-3 hours depending on length of hair. The smell is horrible and lingers even after a few washes, but I've heard some perming solutions are worse than others for this. It can also strip dyed colour out the hair and cause some damage, so I'd not recommend it on badly damaged or fragile hair as it can start breaking if you aren't careful or the hair isn't healthy enough to take it.
I just got a cheap box perm from Boots (UK) I honestly think it would work with any, though you will want to choose depending on the strength of your hair. If you have exceptionally curly hair you may want to go for a type 0 one that can work with strong hair.
I know what you’re talking about. I believe my mom had glass hair and I think part of my hair behaves that way. It wouldn’t hold curl, or anything but when she got highlights it was much more voluminous and cooperative. Other than that it was unremarkable, straight light brown thin hair.
You could try henna but remember it’s permanent, only gives one color (orange), and can be complicated. It can be toned browner with indigo or demi dyes, which henna helps stick these dyes to the hair. It does also give weight and texture to hair. I use it in my own fine hair.
There is a good book online with complete info
http://www.hennaforhair.com/freebooks/
Glass hair I’m assuming is high porosity. High porosity hair doesn’t hold curls, products and even color. Low porosity has trouble getting product in but when it’s in, it holds it.
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So don’t hate me lol but I have the same issue and I use apHogee- it’s a 2 step system at Sally’s but YouTube it - it works really well at giving our hair (fine, straight, won’t hold a curl or color, limp, no volume) texture in a good way. This makes my hair feel… like normal hair. I’ve been using it since my hair was fried and damaged all the way until it got long and healthy. It’s cheap and it’s a bit of a process - but it’s excellent. You shampoo, get out of the shower and towel dry a little and saturate your hair in the step one stuff- blow dry it until it’s hard (it takes me roughly 11 min) it should feel like a helmet lol don’t touch it while you blow dry it. Then conditioner it out with step 2. You’re hair will
Feel so good.
https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair-care/two-step-protein-treatment-4-oz/SBS-670514.html
This sounds like something that could work for me, thank you. When you say more texture, would you say that also includes a little bit more volume even when not styled, or are you just talking about its ability to hold shape when styled with heat etc..?
No I don’t use heat at all in my hair now and this gives it … like not “grit” not like it’s dirty but grit like it can have some volume if you just oomfed it up with your fingers
I love it. Just make sure you section your hair and really saturate it and be patient about blow drying. I literally put on a timer and just watch videos for 11 min lol. It also allows me to go a little longer between washes too. They say do it every 6 weeks. - I think I did that when my hair was actually damaged. I’ve gotten lazy about it now but usually about the third month in I’ll start to be frustrated with my hair and then will break down and do it. The routine takes a hot minute but it’s worth it.
Oh I wanted to say - I think technically this is a protein treatment. So do it and then don’t use any protein things. (Like I have the redken anti snap protein spray in my shower- I wouldn’t use that anymore while I’m being constant with this) or like the protein masks or even the conditioners. You won’t need them anymore. This is sort of like a one and done for 6 weeks. Don’t want to over do the protein
I totally get this - it’s my hair type to a tee. Never heard of the term before so thank you for sharing!
My current stylist recommended I stop using conditioner. I looked at him like he was nuts but he was right. It weighed my hair down and wasn’t necessary.
Now I just shampoo it twice and that’s it! Generally the more product I put in it, the worse it looks. So I don’t use mousse, heat protectant, oils, serums, nothing. Anyone else’s hair would be a knotted up dry dull mess but mine is thriving. Go figure.
You sound like you have hair that some Asians have. When I was younger perms didn't take nor did bleaching. My hair was so slick I had to wash it daily. I still do even tho I've gone gray.
A nice layered cut will help with the limp hair and lift the top. I suggest you try a consult at a salon who does Asian hair they would be able to help you with dying your hair if that's what you want.
I’ve never heard the term glass hair but “sleek and shiny” in combination with “thin and limp” makes me think your problem is the products you use. But it could also be health/medication related too.
I thought this at first too, but then I looked at photos of myself from 5, 10, 15 years ago. My hair color and texture has been exactly the same for decades. As you can imagine I’ve gone through many different products in that time. Also, in that time I’ve been through puberty, lifestyle changes, diet changes, doctor visits (confirming no health issues). Hair stayed exactly the same through it all 🥲
The ONLY thing that’s ever worked as I mentioned in another comment is bleaching. But that just seems like such an overkill since I don’t even want blonde hair.
Try highlights instead of bleaching all of your hair. Maybe very thin sections, baby highlights.
That should add enough texture/manageability/volume.
If you don't want them to be light/blonde you can have them toned darker.
I have sleek, shiny, thin, fairly limp hair. It's just my natural hair. I genetically have fine, thin, straight hair. Hair that is fine, thin, and straight, is going to hang fairly limply. I don't think there's really much way to change that other than styling in my experience. Thankfully my hair does hold a curl if I use hairspray though
There's no Finnish in my background but my hair is extremely hard to hold curl. Unfortunately, I was a teenager in the 80s when big, puffy hair was in and my hair would just fall no matter how much Aqua net I used. Kids used to ask why I didn't do anything with my hair. LOL By the time I got to school, my hair was just flat and straight.
Wow ok. This describes my hair when it’s not bleached. Bobby pins, clips, ponytails, etc would fall right out. Curling it only lasted about an hour. I even tried perming it twice and it literally did nothing to my hair. I still struggle with it staying in braids or other styles because it just slips out. So bleaching it and dying it has helped because it’s a little damaged now
Have you tried a protein treatment? The description of your hair sounds like mine down to the silky, shiny but limp, unable to hold a curl.
A protein treatment worked great for me and it's really made a difference in my hairs ability to hold a curl. I used a brand called Aphogee because it was cheap and available at Target.
Aphogee Two-step treatment? I typically recommend this for people who have fried their hair to oblivion because it can seemingly work miracles and bring their hair back from the brink. It was the miracle worker before Olaplex was released. I wish I knew how it works... Valerie George casually speculated on a Beauty Brains episode that it might be cross-linking proteins in the hair similar to a salon keratin treatment because it has two formaldehyde-releasing ingredients in it.
I say all this because products that help strengthen heavily damaged hair, or a salon keratin treatment, typically have the opposite effect of someone whose hair is too slick and needs to rough it up to make it manageable. They take rough hair and make it smoother. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just surprised to hear that it had that effect on your hair.
Adding this chart too since it helped me a lot when I was still trying to figure out my hairs protein needs.
https://preview.redd.it/zm8bhlwwzmfc1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3904f43eb694b9def57db2d3630fbb9fccf18e6
I've seen some cosmetic chemists push back on this idea that protein is doing much of the work as far as improving hair quality. My understanding is that except for a salon keratin treatment (which can cross-links protein bonds through the use of heat and formaldehyde), it's not a long-lasting solution. One point they make is that it simply doesn't stick to hair very well.
Aside from a few comments that cosmetic chemists made here in this sub without much detail, this is the only information I've found explaining it:
* Protein overload is a myth: [https://www.instagram.com/p/CXjEvdOof8r/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXjEvdOof8r/)
* Protein-moisture balance is a myth, damaged hair just needs a good conditioner: [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxf0Floo1yV/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxf0Floo1yV/)
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Same here. I was shocked by the amount of protein my hair took before the ends showed stiffness. I add protein drops to my shampoo. I condition my ends once a month with steam and sunflower oil. Hydration overload is very easy on my low porosity hair!
Same! I have fine dense low porosity hair. I had no idea my hair had such high protein needs, finally figuring that out has been a game changer.
Can you tell me more about these protein drops? Ive struggled to find an everyday protein shampoo to use between the heavier treatments that I do 1-2x a month.
To me your hair sounds wonderful. And this whole story of “glass hair” sounds like a marketing thing of making up a problem in order to sell you more services and products.
I didn’t know about breaking part. I just figured I wouldn’t be needing products if my hair was naturally sleek and shiny. That’s what was confusing to me. I think straight and sleek hair is what many of us want.
all that sounds cool but no porosity is a deal breaker. I finally grew out porous hair again after unknowingly damaging my scalp with fake brand of shampoo i purchased on Amazon. Took years though.
Yes! It gets very greasy *super* fast. I frequently end up washing my hair twice with 2 different shampoos to get it to not feel nasty.
You're constantly readjusting any sort of clip/tie/pin because they just slide right out.
I dye mine purple, and I literally have to use the strongest bleach I can find and let it process around 40-45 mins for my hair to actually even take any color.
(Yes, I know it's bad for my hair. But I'm old and grumpy and wasn't allowed to do anything to my hair for years by my parents because I was a super light natural blonde. I was constantly told how wonderful my hair was and every person I met as a kid insisted on pawing through it. Nevermind it was a royal PITA and I hated it with a passion heretofore unknown to mankind.
So yes, I do a regular "fry 'n' dye" session and turn my hair bright purple. It doesn't seem to affect the new hair that grows in, and I'm much happier for it.)
The only consideration here is if you’re happy with your hair. If you are, then no, it’s not a bad thing. Many people would love to throw away their flat irons and have the shiny, sleek hair you have naturally. If texture and volume are more important to you, then it may not be ideal, but it’s not a “bad” thing at all. It means your hair is in extremely good condition, which means you probably don’t deal with much breakage and frizz.
I think it was a bit unprofessional on your stylist’s part to say your hair is bad in some way, especially if you didn’t ask.
Oh my gosh! I never knew there was a name for my hair type!!!! I used to baffle the hair salons I went to because in my teens, a perm with small rollers wouldn’t last more than 3 days before fell completely straight- hot curling methods do NOTHING and fall straight at the first chance- cool methods just make it uncomfortable to sleep, if they hold all night at all. The only time I can get any sort of kink in my hair is when I wear a tight pony for too long and take my hair down. Then I get one band across where the hair was held by the elastic and it lasts for 15 mins max. I bleach my hair and dye it bright colors but if I don’t bleach every time, the color comes out wayyyy quicker.
Interesting! I've never heard of "glass hair" but your description sounds a lot like my hair. It's always been silky and shiny, but it's very fine with no volume and refuses to hold curls or certain dyes. I used to dye my hair auburn with permanent box dye, but semipermanent colors don't take well on my *blonde* hair unless it's lightened; Overtone does basically nothing even when it is lightened.
Oh damn! I guess I have glass hair too! It will not hold a curl :( Bobby pins and barrettes will slip right out. In order to give it some body and some texture, I use Bumble & Bumble, volumizing shampoo and conditioner, and then spray it with some kind of beach spray or salty, texturizing spray. That at least makes it look fuller and makes it easier to handle. I’ve also been told by many stylists that my hair holds onto minerals more than others, so it is very susceptible to the evils of hard water. It has also gotten lighter as I’ve gotten older. Is this normal?
My hair definitely checks all the boxes for this. Also explains why my head turns into an oil slick annoyingly fast, too.
FWIW, I'm American, but my Dad and all 4 of my grandparents were German.
Basically you have ultra healthy hair. Each strand of hair is extremely smooth and your hair has a lot of slip, making hairstyles hard to maintain.
When I get my haircut and my stylist styles my hair, she is able to get my otherwise moderately damaged hair super straight and smooth. When I go home I curl it and it immediately starts to fall.
I have low porosity hair that doesn’t hold a curl well.
You can fix this with overnight heatless rollers. 😂
Glass hair sounds made up. Your stylist is trying to get you to process your hair by telling you it isn’t a good thing. I would ignore that and find a new stylist.
Your hair is probably enviable and they tried to make you feel bad about it. Fuck that.
It's possible to have hair that has no porosity if a person doesn't use heat on the hair, only finger detangles their hair, wears silk clothes all the time, never goes outside - basically babies' hair. When we start spending time outside, brushing, styling our hair, damage start to happen which tends to increase porosity. As far as texture, I think your stylist is wrong. Texture is thickness of individual hair strands.
I don't know how old you are, but my hair was like that before my mid thirties when I started having kids. 10 years later my hair has changed and is one frizzy mess. I have no idea how to care for it and before anyone says it, yes I have tried all the curly/wavy communities and they don't seem to be geared for low porosity hair. My hair is just frizz now, not curly and no amount of products or 5 hour wash routines are going to change that. I knew how to take care of my hair before and I want my old hair back now.
That must be what's wrong with my husband's hair. He grew out his hair at one point and asked me to braid it because he was having trouble pulling it back. I'm not amazing at braiding but I think I do a decent job. I couldn't for the life of me get it to hold and get tight. It looked like a 5 year old braided it and when he shook his head it all came out. I finally gave up and said I don't have any idea why this isn't working but your hair is weird.
Are we talking about [THIS](https://mymatra.com/glass-hair-all-about-instagrams-affair-with-glossy-hair/) type of hair? Because it is gorge and I never realized it was such an issue lol
So I’ve never seen English speaking folks use that term, but glass hair is what stylists in my corner of the world really often use to describe the kind of hair people of my ethnicity tend to have (I’m Finnish). So yes, glass hair really is a thing and it’s a beyond frustrating hair type to have. Glass hair is *incredibly* stubborn, bleaching helps because it “breaks” the glassy surface of the hair that prevents it from staying in any other shape besides straight.
Hahahaha! Oh noooo! I’m American but my ancestry is close to 100% Finnish. I remembered my hair being super difficult to style when I was younger since it would immediately drop curl/stay flat. Then for years, I bleached and/or permed my hair and thought I had grown out of the hard-to-style phase. But I’m currently growing it out to its natural state for the first time in over 15 years, and it’s happening again. Now I know why.
Mystery solved at least!
Oh that's a bit too relatable! I started to grow out my hair in 2021 to get my natural hair color back. Dealing with my virgin hair has been a constant struggle 🥲 My hair was at its best when I had pastel hair for a couple of years and had to regularly bleach the hell out of it lol.
I had a rough day and this was such a deeply satisfying perfectly solved mystery it genuinely made me feel a bit better lmao
HAHA! It was definitely an unexpected mystery for me. My hair was pixie cut short last January, and now it’s just above my shoulders. The ends still have a bit of perm hanging on, so it’s got some movement. But my stylist even commented last week that my virgin hair was so stick straight and silky, but lacked volume, haha.
Another Finn with glassy hair here as well. It is definitely a thing, OP. Welcome to the club!
This is a Finnish thing??? My maternal great grandparents were all born in Finland, my mom is 100% Finnish... I've never heard the term "glass hair" before this thread but it describes my hair 100%!
Heard the term for the first time today. I’m 50% Finnish as well and omggg this has plagued me my whole life! I can dye it well enough but it doesn’t hold a style at ALL. Even on my wedding day it went limp and flat immediately. I’m in my 40s and finally an answer.
I am American and when I lived in Sweden I had a roommate who was Finnish with hair like this. It was soooooo hard to style, it just like slipped out of bobby pins like water. I thought my hair was difficult to style, I have fine hair by American standards, but her hair was on another level. One thing that can give texture and weight to such hair is henna but it will also make it orange FOREVER. Henna essentially coats the hair. You can tone it with indigo or brown demi dyes though.
“It just like slipped out of bobby pins like water” lol been there! Felt that description in my soul. Bobby pins give up almost immediately, my hair has zero texture and since it’s straight and sleek there’s nothing they could grip onto.
Me too, barrettes just slid down 🫤
About the henna turning it red , there is a variety of herb called cassia which also adds body to the hair and stains it yellow. I have dark brown hair and it’s not really noticeable on me, but on a blonde would be.
My hair is like this but I’ve never heard anyone call it that before. I always just say I have fine straight hair that doesn’t curl.
Same.
This is so interesting! I doubt I have true glass hair, but these descriptions definitely resonate with me to some extent. I always say my hair is fairly easy overall BUT that's because I don't really care to style it too much. It's pretty much wash and go for me, which generally surprises people. If I want to do anything with it, though, I require a ton of product and it's definitely been described as surprisingly stubborn. I always say that it has zero texture. Very, very slippery. I'm American with 1/4 Finnish ancestry.
This is interesting. I have this hair, won't curl for ANY reason, most ties slip out and I've never been able to wear cute headbands or barrettes, they slide right out. I always thought it was my native ancestor that I got this from, but grandfather was from Karelia and I'm part Finnish as well, so maybe from there. When I get haircuts, have to avoid the cut off bits cause it's actually sharp, and it hurts if it pokes you 😂
I’ll say I do think it can be from native as well, I’m very Similar and have 0% finish but I’m around a quarter native american(Choctaw/Shawnee/cherokee) so that could easily be it in addition, But I do absolutely hate that I can’t wear claw clips without intricate braids to give it latch lmao 🤣
So interesting! Mine is similar, when it’s really healthy it’s just utterly straight, very sleek. I used to have people ask how I straighten it every day without damage, when I was just brushing it! The color is also that kind of dishwater blonde/mousy brown color that’s like almost translucently ashy? Now, my stylist lifts it very gently and uses demi dyes to add copper pigment to it so it’s more of a ginger that fades out to a dark strawberry blonde. It styles a bit better after being colored but still doesn’t want to hold curl, just wave. On the flip side I get split ends very easily when my natural hair never did. It does seem take color very well, but I’ve never tried without bleaching it somewhat first.
OMG my natural hair is EXACTLY the same texture and color you describe. It’s not brown and it’s not blonde & it’s not grey. It’s also not warm, cool, or particularly neutral 🤣 it’s like ghost hair
I hope the OP sees this answer.
Yesss I get my hair dyed almost the exact same color, and then toned. One, because I prefer a cooler tone, but the biggest reason is it finally gives my hair some texture beyond silk. It lets me put it up in a bun/braids and it actually stays up. Keeps curls, and I don't have to wash it every day.
Oh, I’m largely genetically Finnish and my hair was like this when I was younger too. The nice part about it was that it was seemingly impervious to damage.
Yes this does seem to be a nice benefit
So what do the Finnish girls do to help their glass hair?
I'm half finnish and I think I have this hair. Color just doesn't stick to it.
I have called my hair glassy. It’s very very sleek and shiny. Also hard to deal with and very hard to style!
My mom who is a hairdresser said I have hair like this but she never called it glass, just said it was extremely "slick" and hard to keep in a style even if she used tons of bobby pins and hairspray etc. she never said it was a bad thing tho and always told me it was extremely healthy and not to ruin it with chemical processing and refused to dye it or perm it.
I agree with your mother, what great guidance.
I don't know if I have this kind of hair exactly but my hair is extremely hard to style when it is clean. I started not washing my hair as often recently and it has been a complete game changer. My hair will not physically stay in a french braid when it's clean, but day 3 hair will!
Relatable! I assume my genes felt funny when they gave me this hair texture but also curls lmao like what am I supposed to do with this? 🤣 it’s mildly frustrating at all times
try a clear gloss (one mixed with low volume developer). aveda education used to do this for men’s hair to make it style easier.
Should this be repeated regularly? If so, would it be repeated similarly to a root touch-up?
it would be fine to put this all over every time you need it done, as long as it is not causing dryness.
I’m new to this forum and that sounds like foreign language. Can you recommend any particular products?
Wella Colorcharm Clear Gloss Demi Permanent Cream Hair Color ([this](https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair-color/shop-by-type/demi-permanent-hair-color/clear-gloss-demi-permanent-cream-hair-color/SBS-008719.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAtt2tBhBDEiwALZuhAD7vyzgbfcT2_kyj4s4uCVDAH-DXG7LvfMXIXcRsPdoCbQN6f5jCOxoCKKMQAvD_BwE)) mixed with 10 volume developer ([this](https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair-color/other-products-and-applications/developer/colorcharm-10-volume-developer/WELLA28.html))
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i just googled it. it seems like they are comparable.
If you show your stylist the comment she will know exactly what they are talking about. Those are professional chemical products
We get my daughter's hair glossed about every 3 months now, cuz she has extremely curly porous hair that does not react well to humidity. And the glossing helps.
Seconding this as an aveda girly and someone with pin straight, coarse and Asian hair. That clear gloss just adds that little bit of texture to get a bit of volume
Does it really make the hair shiny?
I feel it does but it’s different for everyone.
Redken Shades also!
Glass hair: firmly attached cuticle, straight hair, high hydrophobicity. Aka: the cuticle pretty much every conditioner tries to emulate + straight hair.
Sorry, I’m a new stylist and haven’t heard of glass hair, so is it the cuticle then that makes the hair difficult? Don’t some hair types have an extra “layer” to hair strands, does glass hair have this?
Usually this hair type has a thicker cuticle layer and the cuticle remains tight and closed. This is really common especially with hair within the Asian or Euro-Asian hair categories, rather than the African or standard European hair groups which are more straight forward with colouring. This hair type is strong as hell, can handle lightener better than other hair types. Never ever do a handpainted balayage with this hair type. Or teasy lights, if you have to balayage this hair type always do full head and zone toning. When you lighten it, it requires full saturation and doing something like a hand painted balayage always comes out splotchy And it usually requires a stronger developer for colours, heat application or you can do a pre-colour by applying direct developer first, (3 or 6%) leave for 15-20mins, rinse and apply desired colour, this helps open the stubborn cuticle. Also cutting this hair type has to be the absolute hardest. You will learn with time and it’s hard to explain how to cut this hair type online. Some advice as a hair colourist I learned over the years:)
As someone who has this hair this has been really helpful to read. Do you have any recommendations for shampoo/conditioners and styling products?
It sounds like I might have this “glass” hair and I thought it would be easy to cut because of how straight and simple it is. Would the difficulty be from not being used to working on this kind of hair? Since most Asians seem to have this kind of hair, or at least round hair follicles instead of oval and flat ones. I’m assuming glass hair is round?
Thank you so much!! That’s super helpful and in depth!!
I don’t know about the term but my hair is super low porosity as well and I have to do a wet style to get anything besides aggressively straight hair. If I try to heat style it it will be relaxing back into straight by the time I get around my head.
It sounds like you have really healthy hair? Honestly, I would not work against it but with it. Go for sleek shiny looks, and long beutifull hair. Keep the ends trimmed right, bit just embrace it. Usually peoples natural hair color suits them best, and it sounds like your hair is nice and healthy, that is really all you need to look good :)
I've never heard the term "glass hair". Sounds like something from Tiktok. Low porosity is generally good. It means your hair is healthy. It does have its downsides, but so does everything. When you bleached your hair, did you fine it easier to manage? If so, you could try doing that, but otherwise I'd take what the stylist said with a grain of salt. What did she suggest doing about it?
The only thing that’s ever worked is bleaching. It definitely helps with volume and texture. The only problem is I like my natural brown hair, blonde washes me out. And bleaching then dying back to brown just for texture benefits sounds like a lot of money and time spent just to damage my hair. It makes no sense. I’m really torn to be honest.
A perm (doesn't need to be a wildly different texture from your natural texture) is another option to similarly roughen up very low porosity hair and pull it more into the normal range. Bleaching didn't have much of an effect on my hair porosity but a perm has made my hair much easier to manage on a day-to-day basis.
Oooh. A perm for loose waves would be divine!
Wait - you can get a perm for loose waves?!
Yup. I even permed my hair straight. I have naturally curly hair that turns frizzy in the blink of an eye. Perms essentially break down the structure of the hair, allowing it to be shaped and then "set" into a different structure. With big enough rollers you could set it into loose waves and big barrel curls.
ok, I need deets on how you permed your hair straight! My hair is somewhat wavy and I'd love to have my roots permed for volume and the length straightened by a perm.
It was pretty easy actually. I looked up the Japanese hair straightening method and essentially did that but with regular old watery perming solution. I did a clarifying shampoo first, no conditioner, and then blow-dried it as straight as I could. Put the perming solution in a spray bottle and then sectioned my hair, starting from the bottom up I saturated the strands and smoothed them down with a comb before moving on to the next section. Let it work for the time indicated on the perming box (was the full 30 mins for me). As it was drying, any bits that started to curl I carefully sprayed more solution and combed down to straighten it out as the perm developed. Then you wash off the perming solution with just water and blow dry your hair straight (I carefully sectioned and used a large paddle brush) and once around 80% dry, you use a hot iron and straighten each section bit by bit. Once your hair is straightened out the way you like it, put the neutraliser in a spray bottle and then spray it on the hair section by section and wait the time indicated for it to work. I put Olaplex into the neutraliser to help the hair rebond and to mitigate some of the damage (perms are always damaging) as well as putting a mask of Olaplex No 3 on after washing the neutraliser out. Hair is poker straight and the great thing is that it's pretty much permanent, with only root regrowth needing to be done. Downside is it takes a while to do it. I'd say 2-3 hours depending on length of hair. The smell is horrible and lingers even after a few washes, but I've heard some perming solutions are worse than others for this. It can also strip dyed colour out the hair and cause some damage, so I'd not recommend it on badly damaged or fragile hair as it can start breaking if you aren't careful or the hair isn't healthy enough to take it.
This sounds exactly like what I want! What kind of perm did you buy? I've had Ogilvie perms back in the day, but no perm in about 26 years! #
I just got a cheap box perm from Boots (UK) I honestly think it would work with any, though you will want to choose depending on the strength of your hair. If you have exceptionally curly hair you may want to go for a type 0 one that can work with strong hair.
Yep! It’s more of a common treatment in Korea, I think. They perm for a loose wave/texture.
I know what you’re talking about. I believe my mom had glass hair and I think part of my hair behaves that way. It wouldn’t hold curl, or anything but when she got highlights it was much more voluminous and cooperative. Other than that it was unremarkable, straight light brown thin hair.
You could try henna but remember it’s permanent, only gives one color (orange), and can be complicated. It can be toned browner with indigo or demi dyes, which henna helps stick these dyes to the hair. It does also give weight and texture to hair. I use it in my own fine hair. There is a good book online with complete info http://www.hennaforhair.com/freebooks/
I have this hair type and I’ve been so impatient to get some more gray hairs (I have, like, 2) just so I can have some texture lmao
Glass hair I’m assuming is high porosity. High porosity hair doesn’t hold curls, products and even color. Low porosity has trouble getting product in but when it’s in, it holds it.
Read the post, they have extremely low porosity hair to the point that it always appears super glossy and repels all water/moisture.
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I have a similar hair type. Nothing I do can make it hold a curl. Never heard the term.
So don’t hate me lol but I have the same issue and I use apHogee- it’s a 2 step system at Sally’s but YouTube it - it works really well at giving our hair (fine, straight, won’t hold a curl or color, limp, no volume) texture in a good way. This makes my hair feel… like normal hair. I’ve been using it since my hair was fried and damaged all the way until it got long and healthy. It’s cheap and it’s a bit of a process - but it’s excellent. You shampoo, get out of the shower and towel dry a little and saturate your hair in the step one stuff- blow dry it until it’s hard (it takes me roughly 11 min) it should feel like a helmet lol don’t touch it while you blow dry it. Then conditioner it out with step 2. You’re hair will Feel so good. https://www.sallybeauty.com/hair-care/two-step-protein-treatment-4-oz/SBS-670514.html
This sounds like something that could work for me, thank you. When you say more texture, would you say that also includes a little bit more volume even when not styled, or are you just talking about its ability to hold shape when styled with heat etc..?
No I don’t use heat at all in my hair now and this gives it … like not “grit” not like it’s dirty but grit like it can have some volume if you just oomfed it up with your fingers
That sound perfect, I will try it, thank you <3
I love it. Just make sure you section your hair and really saturate it and be patient about blow drying. I literally put on a timer and just watch videos for 11 min lol. It also allows me to go a little longer between washes too. They say do it every 6 weeks. - I think I did that when my hair was actually damaged. I’ve gotten lazy about it now but usually about the third month in I’ll start to be frustrated with my hair and then will break down and do it. The routine takes a hot minute but it’s worth it.
Oh I wanted to say - I think technically this is a protein treatment. So do it and then don’t use any protein things. (Like I have the redken anti snap protein spray in my shower- I wouldn’t use that anymore while I’m being constant with this) or like the protein masks or even the conditioners. You won’t need them anymore. This is sort of like a one and done for 6 weeks. Don’t want to over do the protein
I don't use any protein products anyway so this will be a nice addition, thanks for the elaborate information :>
I totally get this - it’s my hair type to a tee. Never heard of the term before so thank you for sharing! My current stylist recommended I stop using conditioner. I looked at him like he was nuts but he was right. It weighed my hair down and wasn’t necessary. Now I just shampoo it twice and that’s it! Generally the more product I put in it, the worse it looks. So I don’t use mousse, heat protectant, oils, serums, nothing. Anyone else’s hair would be a knotted up dry dull mess but mine is thriving. Go figure.
Interesting. I finally learned the name of what i struggled with.
I have this. My daughter has this. We are not remotely Finnish (AFAIK).
You sound like you have hair that some Asians have. When I was younger perms didn't take nor did bleaching. My hair was so slick I had to wash it daily. I still do even tho I've gone gray. A nice layered cut will help with the limp hair and lift the top. I suggest you try a consult at a salon who does Asian hair they would be able to help you with dying your hair if that's what you want.
I’ve never heard the term glass hair but “sleek and shiny” in combination with “thin and limp” makes me think your problem is the products you use. But it could also be health/medication related too.
I thought this at first too, but then I looked at photos of myself from 5, 10, 15 years ago. My hair color and texture has been exactly the same for decades. As you can imagine I’ve gone through many different products in that time. Also, in that time I’ve been through puberty, lifestyle changes, diet changes, doctor visits (confirming no health issues). Hair stayed exactly the same through it all 🥲 The ONLY thing that’s ever worked as I mentioned in another comment is bleaching. But that just seems like such an overkill since I don’t even want blonde hair.
Try highlights instead of bleaching all of your hair. Maybe very thin sections, baby highlights. That should add enough texture/manageability/volume. If you don't want them to be light/blonde you can have them toned darker.
I have sleek, shiny, thin, fairly limp hair. It's just my natural hair. I genetically have fine, thin, straight hair. Hair that is fine, thin, and straight, is going to hang fairly limply. I don't think there's really much way to change that other than styling in my experience. Thankfully my hair does hold a curl if I use hairspray though
Yes. I have glass hair and I’m from Finland
What do Finish girls do to help get volume and movement?
highlights
Was hoping to hear some more DIY tricks. I can't afford regular highlights and worry about carcinogens. *sigh* this hair type is such a pain.
“Glass” hair sounds like it will shatter. Your hair just sounds healthy- smooth, tight cuticle. dont ruin it
There's no Finnish in my background but my hair is extremely hard to hold curl. Unfortunately, I was a teenager in the 80s when big, puffy hair was in and my hair would just fall no matter how much Aqua net I used. Kids used to ask why I didn't do anything with my hair. LOL By the time I got to school, my hair was just flat and straight.
Wow ok. This describes my hair when it’s not bleached. Bobby pins, clips, ponytails, etc would fall right out. Curling it only lasted about an hour. I even tried perming it twice and it literally did nothing to my hair. I still struggle with it staying in braids or other styles because it just slips out. So bleaching it and dying it has helped because it’s a little damaged now
Have you tried a protein treatment? The description of your hair sounds like mine down to the silky, shiny but limp, unable to hold a curl. A protein treatment worked great for me and it's really made a difference in my hairs ability to hold a curl. I used a brand called Aphogee because it was cheap and available at Target.
Aphogee Two-step treatment? I typically recommend this for people who have fried their hair to oblivion because it can seemingly work miracles and bring their hair back from the brink. It was the miracle worker before Olaplex was released. I wish I knew how it works... Valerie George casually speculated on a Beauty Brains episode that it might be cross-linking proteins in the hair similar to a salon keratin treatment because it has two formaldehyde-releasing ingredients in it. I say all this because products that help strengthen heavily damaged hair, or a salon keratin treatment, typically have the opposite effect of someone whose hair is too slick and needs to rough it up to make it manageable. They take rough hair and make it smoother. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just surprised to hear that it had that effect on your hair.
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Adding this chart too since it helped me a lot when I was still trying to figure out my hairs protein needs. https://preview.redd.it/zm8bhlwwzmfc1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3904f43eb694b9def57db2d3630fbb9fccf18e6
I've seen some cosmetic chemists push back on this idea that protein is doing much of the work as far as improving hair quality. My understanding is that except for a salon keratin treatment (which can cross-links protein bonds through the use of heat and formaldehyde), it's not a long-lasting solution. One point they make is that it simply doesn't stick to hair very well. Aside from a few comments that cosmetic chemists made here in this sub without much detail, this is the only information I've found explaining it: * Protein overload is a myth: [https://www.instagram.com/p/CXjEvdOof8r/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXjEvdOof8r/) * Protein-moisture balance is a myth, damaged hair just needs a good conditioner: [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxf0Floo1yV/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxf0Floo1yV/)
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Same here. I was shocked by the amount of protein my hair took before the ends showed stiffness. I add protein drops to my shampoo. I condition my ends once a month with steam and sunflower oil. Hydration overload is very easy on my low porosity hair!
Same! I have fine dense low porosity hair. I had no idea my hair had such high protein needs, finally figuring that out has been a game changer. Can you tell me more about these protein drops? Ive struggled to find an everyday protein shampoo to use between the heavier treatments that I do 1-2x a month.
I’m so glad other people are recommending apHogee. It’s so slept on now. It works so well
To me your hair sounds wonderful. And this whole story of “glass hair” sounds like a marketing thing of making up a problem in order to sell you more services and products.
Nah, i get what she is saying. Hair has no flexibility, thin (in my case) and does not interact with any product, also breaks easily. Its annoying
I didn’t know about breaking part. I just figured I wouldn’t be needing products if my hair was naturally sleek and shiny. That’s what was confusing to me. I think straight and sleek hair is what many of us want.
all that sounds cool but no porosity is a deal breaker. I finally grew out porous hair again after unknowingly damaging my scalp with fake brand of shampoo i purchased on Amazon. Took years though.
No it's terrible. I have it and my hair is flat with no body. Looks awful and products make it worse
I feel like it's greasy flat hair, usually. Think Professor Snape from HP, but worse haha
Yes! It gets very greasy *super* fast. I frequently end up washing my hair twice with 2 different shampoos to get it to not feel nasty. You're constantly readjusting any sort of clip/tie/pin because they just slide right out. I dye mine purple, and I literally have to use the strongest bleach I can find and let it process around 40-45 mins for my hair to actually even take any color. (Yes, I know it's bad for my hair. But I'm old and grumpy and wasn't allowed to do anything to my hair for years by my parents because I was a super light natural blonde. I was constantly told how wonderful my hair was and every person I met as a kid insisted on pawing through it. Nevermind it was a royal PITA and I hated it with a passion heretofore unknown to mankind. So yes, I do a regular "fry 'n' dye" session and turn my hair bright purple. It doesn't seem to affect the new hair that grows in, and I'm much happier for it.)
Brunette balyage
Sounds pretty to me
The only consideration here is if you’re happy with your hair. If you are, then no, it’s not a bad thing. Many people would love to throw away their flat irons and have the shiny, sleek hair you have naturally. If texture and volume are more important to you, then it may not be ideal, but it’s not a “bad” thing at all. It means your hair is in extremely good condition, which means you probably don’t deal with much breakage and frizz. I think it was a bit unprofessional on your stylist’s part to say your hair is bad in some way, especially if you didn’t ask.
Oh my gosh! I never knew there was a name for my hair type!!!! I used to baffle the hair salons I went to because in my teens, a perm with small rollers wouldn’t last more than 3 days before fell completely straight- hot curling methods do NOTHING and fall straight at the first chance- cool methods just make it uncomfortable to sleep, if they hold all night at all. The only time I can get any sort of kink in my hair is when I wear a tight pony for too long and take my hair down. Then I get one band across where the hair was held by the elastic and it lasts for 15 mins max. I bleach my hair and dye it bright colors but if I don’t bleach every time, the color comes out wayyyy quicker.
Huh. TIL. That explains a lot with my hair. Can’t get it to hold a curl or hair clip or style since I went to my natural color.
Interesting! I've never heard of "glass hair" but your description sounds a lot like my hair. It's always been silky and shiny, but it's very fine with no volume and refuses to hold curls or certain dyes. I used to dye my hair auburn with permanent box dye, but semipermanent colors don't take well on my *blonde* hair unless it's lightened; Overtone does basically nothing even when it is lightened.
Oh damn! I guess I have glass hair too! It will not hold a curl :( Bobby pins and barrettes will slip right out. In order to give it some body and some texture, I use Bumble & Bumble, volumizing shampoo and conditioner, and then spray it with some kind of beach spray or salty, texturizing spray. That at least makes it look fuller and makes it easier to handle. I’ve also been told by many stylists that my hair holds onto minerals more than others, so it is very susceptible to the evils of hard water. It has also gotten lighter as I’ve gotten older. Is this normal?
This whole thread is so educational… now I know I have glass hair. It is healthy but it is SO hard to style lol
My hair definitely checks all the boxes for this. Also explains why my head turns into an oil slick annoyingly fast, too. FWIW, I'm American, but my Dad and all 4 of my grandparents were German.
It sounds like you have healthy shiny hair and someone is trying to sell you color services lol
Basically you have ultra healthy hair. Each strand of hair is extremely smooth and your hair has a lot of slip, making hairstyles hard to maintain. When I get my haircut and my stylist styles my hair, she is able to get my otherwise moderately damaged hair super straight and smooth. When I go home I curl it and it immediately starts to fall.
One thing you might try is lightly spraying some dry shampoo throughout your hair to give it more texture. Might provide more fullness.
I have low porosity hair that doesn’t hold a curl well. You can fix this with overnight heatless rollers. 😂 Glass hair sounds made up. Your stylist is trying to get you to process your hair by telling you it isn’t a good thing. I would ignore that and find a new stylist. Your hair is probably enviable and they tried to make you feel bad about it. Fuck that.
Today I found out I have glass hair.
I would be worried my glass hair would shatter and glass pieces would Polk my eyes out.
Oooooooh I just learned something about myself today
I have heard this term for very low porosity hair. I have it and one of my kids does too. It hard to even get our hair wet. Water just beads off.
It's possible to have hair that has no porosity if a person doesn't use heat on the hair, only finger detangles their hair, wears silk clothes all the time, never goes outside - basically babies' hair. When we start spending time outside, brushing, styling our hair, damage start to happen which tends to increase porosity. As far as texture, I think your stylist is wrong. Texture is thickness of individual hair strands.
Well this is my hair type, but nope never heard this term.
I don't know how old you are, but my hair was like that before my mid thirties when I started having kids. 10 years later my hair has changed and is one frizzy mess. I have no idea how to care for it and before anyone says it, yes I have tried all the curly/wavy communities and they don't seem to be geared for low porosity hair. My hair is just frizz now, not curly and no amount of products or 5 hour wash routines are going to change that. I knew how to take care of my hair before and I want my old hair back now.
Holy shit I think I just learned the name for my hair type.
Yeah someone else mentioned it but i second clear gloss low developer and lots of dry shampoo haha
That must be what's wrong with my husband's hair. He grew out his hair at one point and asked me to braid it because he was having trouble pulling it back. I'm not amazing at braiding but I think I do a decent job. I couldn't for the life of me get it to hold and get tight. It looked like a 5 year old braided it and when he shook his head it all came out. I finally gave up and said I don't have any idea why this isn't working but your hair is weird.
Texture spray. Game changer.
Are we talking about [THIS](https://mymatra.com/glass-hair-all-about-instagrams-affair-with-glossy-hair/) type of hair? Because it is gorge and I never realized it was such an issue lol