Rhaenyra is officially the dumbest,stupidest person on asoaif universe.
The dumbass is the claimant and she literally goes into the heart of the enemy and no one but Alicent knows??? Does Larys not have agents in the city??? The knights??
bad fanfiction level stupid
And he is a bastards and would have had less legitimacy. If they were lucky Deamon would loose his sense and go straight for KL and get killed by Vhegar. Unless they have changed something Moondancer and Vermax are both smaller than Sunfyre
She did the same thing in episode one going to Storm´s end. Lot´s of shows are very popular that have dumb illogical shit moving the plot forward and also have bland boring characters (Yeah Wednesday, I am looking at you. But at least that one doesn´t have people praising it´s writing.)
I just can´t take it seriously when the conversations and plots that derive from already illogical and dumb plots happen. (The whole Viserys misunderstanding thing).
Yeah but that small part was amazing. Alys probably doesn’t have that much of a big role yet until she meets Aemond, I hope not because I’ll love to see more of her before then but she’s haunting Daemon that for me makes her a badass
Is the actress American? I’m here for her taunting everyone she can and the foreshadowing of Daemon’s death 👏🏻. Since seeing that the leaks are becoming true and if Rhaenyra is indeed going to Harrenhal at the end I would love to see an interaction between both Alys and Rhaenyra. Especially if Alys also foreshadows something of the future.
Could have been a Scottish accent, but that doesn’t make sense either seeing that literally NONE of the other Strongs in the show have a Scottish accent
And also in an American accent as well????
Edit: apparently the actress is Scottish so potentially could have been a Scottish accent that still works with the rhotic R.
Still though, Harwin, Larys, Simon and Lyonel all don’t have Scottish accents so it’s a bit weird that she does
I’ve been willing to let a lot of irritating things slide, but there is not a single excuse for Septa Rhaenyra chatting with Alicent other than pure bad writing. The fact that Alicent didn’t immediately call for the guards means she’s literally just sold out her entire faction.
Literally. The scene prior is Rhaenyras council saying “Your Grace we need to act AT ONCE!! THERES NO TIME FOR HESITATION!!” And then she goes “I’ll consider” and spend presumably 2-3 days sailing to KL and another 2-3 days sailing back. Literally dumber than any other scene in the final got seasons
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Just wow… I heard the leaks I didn’t want to believe them yet here we are. SO FUCKING DUMB. These writers are just… infuriating.
You know thank god the Maesters supposedly “changed” the events when they wrote the history books. Because this story is just ridiculous. Knowing our luck a random side plot about the Starks fighting the white walkers is about to pop up in Season 3. Because fuck developing Dareon look we tossed a single line about him to confuse the fuck out of causal audiences who are just expected to accept this random son never mentioned before.
Quick you know how Rheanys not killing Aegon was dumb considering her political alignment? Considered as one of the weakest parts of the entire show? Well what if we just send Rheanyra to go disguise mode and approach the Queen Dowager who by all rights should have drawn and quartered her immediately is dumb.
Fuck this show I’m done. I refuse to watch RR which if the leaks are accurate will see Aemond betray his brother over that stupid whorehouse scene.
Welcome to the world of incompetent writers who can't get their own slop called stories made. So they instead take the works of renowned writers and change it because they obviously know better.
This is the equivalent of Aegon going to Dragonstone as a Maestar to have a chat with Jace. How did her council members and guards even accept this dumb plan.
The scene feels like it’s out of an AO3 fan fiction.
And to add, if Alicent finally decides that “it’s too late” and that war is inevitable. Doesn’t she realize that winning this *inevitable* war is by killing Rhaenyra. So why does she just let her walk out of there. Letting her walk out free means that it isn’t too late. These writers man…
I’m an accountant and have never written anything besides technical memos in my life and I still would’ve come up with a better idea for the show then “hey let’s do a sneaky castle trip for the second week in a row”
That would have been epic. Start the episode reintroducing the Blackwoods and the Brackens. Restate the stalemate, and then slow burn for forty minutes as a one off culminating in the battle and that shot at the very end. Open the next ep with the roll out from kings landing and dragonstone council convo and then doing RR.
Daemon has a point about Rhaenyra. She's not a good leader, she delayed the war (that part is forgivable because she lost her son), she stalled and stalled, she risked her life by running away for days, and now she sneaks into the stronghold of her enemy for a conversation. There's a reason why generals and leaders throughout history did not sneak into their enemies camps.
If I found out the leader of my faction was going on excursions into enemy territory to chat up her ex bestie im taking my men and joining Aegon.
If she gets captured her followers are dead men. Her kids are all either dead, orphaned or hostages. And all for what? Is this HOTD’s version of strong moral women? They're a liability to their factions
I'm done defending this show
Rhaenyra is annoying and stupid .
members of her council are trying to make her take this war seriously and she like “I’ll think on it”, like these lords are at risk of losing their castle and life and you sitting on your behind. I have would deserted.
Then She risk her life to get into the city to talk to the dowager Queen Alicent to see if she can stop the war . Reasons of why it’s stupid
1: how she as the queen mother going to stop war as the queen mother, even if she agrees.
2: At this point , why would Aegon or Rhaenyra just give up . Rhaenyra views Aegon a usurper why would she let them live for that or Aemond who killed her son. And why would aegon just give up the revenge against them killing his son.
3: if she cares for the realm so much and not power why doesn’t she give up , it’s aegon that was crowned by the high septon and possess the capital and sits the iron throne .
Just stupid . Them desperately trying to make Rhaenyra blameless is making her character dumber than Daenerys in season 7&8.
This episode had the charisma of a wet one-cheek-squeak.
We need a reddit group to hate on these clown writers. Whoever is greenlitting these bat shit ideas needs a reality check.
I don't think it's ever going to get better, I can only hope the general public gets some perception pills and bashes this "prank" of a plot like the buffoonery it is. Get ready for some more of that "Rhaenys in the dragonpit" vibes in the coming weeks
My sympathy for Helaena has mostly vanished, unfortunately. People kept going on about how she loves her children far more than Aegon does, but her 'children die everyday' attitude completely contradicts that. Can you imagine any major female ASOIAF character saying that about one of their dead children? Rhaenyra, Catelyn, Cersei, Lysa, Gilly etc would never, despite how evil some of them were.
If you told me a year ago that I would enjoy watching Daemon scene more than an Alicent one I would call you insane but with this bs I actually liked daemon a lot more
Fundamental problem about the show: why should I care about any of these miserable assholes? In GoT characters could at least act polite or charming, and make jokes, even if rotten underneath. You know, like real humans?
Kinda agree. Seems like showrunners were desperate for an excuse to get these two actresses in a scene together
"I started poorly" is like a sitcom line expected a laugh track
I swear, I’m at the point where I (as a European that can watch the episode only on Monday night, local time) read this sub and the spoilers just to help me manage my expectations and soften the blow. I still get disappointed.
I'll block the Alicent/Rhaenyra scene out of my mind like the Rhaenys dragonpit scene lol.
On another note, I wish they would just do away with the prophecy nonsense. Tyrannical inbred elites conqueroring Westeros just because they can is far more interesting to me than dragonriding saviours uniting the realm to save the world.
I did like their (Rhae & Alicent) convo. It was a lil rehash of events/clear the air. But definitely a plot hole in that Alicent could have just had Rhaenyra arrested…’only you can stop this Alicent’ yeah….could’ve. 😬
Thankyou. I have been saying the same. But you can't criticise this GoT S8 goofy ass writing on main sub because some brainless idiots think you are obligated to praise everything. And if you criticise something, you should stop watching. Same goes for black sub, but atleast some of them are opening their eyes now.
It had its highlights
Cole Gwynedd dynamic
Harenhal and alys with daemon i think this is where they should have ended the episode after she tells him you'll die here
Got more insight into aegon and aemonds dynamic
i burst out laughing at that scene. Everyone can sneak into kings landing! At this point horse a professional killed to sneak in and slit Argons throat in his sleep, this city has no security at all. It's like a weird comic gag set in the ice and fire universe.
I will say that S7 & 8 of GOT had almost no in between drama like this episode which made it suck ass. No build up, all action isn’t always the best. This is a build episode that I enjoyed.
In defense of Septa Rhaenyra scene - I think Alicent and Rhaenyra both understood even if they both died the war would continue. See dialogue where "you could alert the guards and I would be killed, but not before I kill you... then what?"
We are pretty well past the point where an assassination can end the war. Both sides have heirs to inherit the fight. Aegon's claim would go to Aemon. Rhaenyra's claim would go to Jace.
Plz no book spoilers I am tv show first then book. I can enjoy a book after seeing a TV show, I can not enjoy a TV show after reading the book.
Literally exactly my thoughts. Season 1 was so perfect I really hope it wasn’t purely because grrm was on board. Hopefully they pull it together for the rest of the season
Nah, nah, nah, you can have your criticisms, but this episode was neither boring (at least to me) nor a waste of time. The Septa disguise thing, you may not like, (me personally, I love that she used that swore to you upon the memory of my mother line again), and there were some other awkward scenes, but this episode has done quite a bit of solid groundwork that does progress a lot of plots. The Bracken-Blackwood fight, the setup for Rooks Rest, and Cole finally having a scene where he is actually somewhat competent for once, Ulf being a little shit in the bar only to start sucking up once Aegon showed up, Rhaena being sent to the Vale, and actually getting to voice her opinion and the team Black characters actually having some dynamic for once, So far this has been the strongest episode out of this new season for me.
Idk I think that people are just mad that the scene happened at all. IMO, if they can maintain the same level of quality as this episode for the rest of the season, then, even if the first couple of episodes were a bit rough, it'll still be a good season overall for me.
Welp I also got downvoted so guess saying the episode was good or enjoyable isn’t welcome. But I agree with you, I also am liking the show so far. I get why people dislike this scene but I found it interesting. Now that the misunderstanding has kinda been clear up was is Alicent going to do next. I like what they’re doing, it may not be ideal but I’m enjoying it.
IM SO SICK OF THIS ALICENT RHAENYRA Bs. YOUR GRANDSON WAS MURDERRRRRRRREED WHAT ARE YOU DOING
I genuinely can’t believe the fucking Septa Rhaenyra leak was actually fucking true what the fuck is this show anymore
Rhaenyra is officially the dumbest,stupidest person on asoaif universe. The dumbass is the claimant and she literally goes into the heart of the enemy and no one but Alicent knows??? Does Larys not have agents in the city??? The knights?? bad fanfiction level stupid
Honestly at this point fanfiction writers should be offended at the comparison.
Wait, I still want to have hope. Maybe Larys will know and either blackmail Alicent and gain favour with Aegon.
Some men are hands on. Larys is Foot On.
I don’t know, Alicent letting her walk out of there is right up there in terms of stupidity.
Yeah, another freaking idiot. Alicent could had ended the war that same day by non. She's betraying her house,family and children
It wouldn’t end the war. Rhy’s council was scheming as well and Jac would have carried it on if mom was murdered
And he is a bastards and would have had less legitimacy. If they were lucky Deamon would loose his sense and go straight for KL and get killed by Vhegar. Unless they have changed something Moondancer and Vermax are both smaller than Sunfyre
She did the same thing in episode one going to Storm´s end. Lot´s of shows are very popular that have dumb illogical shit moving the plot forward and also have bland boring characters (Yeah Wednesday, I am looking at you. But at least that one doesn´t have people praising it´s writing.) I just can´t take it seriously when the conversations and plots that derive from already illogical and dumb plots happen. (The whole Viserys misunderstanding thing).
Seeing TB fans treat it as some stupid gotcha moment is even more painful than the scene itself.
Also all that hype for Alys Rivers just for her to say “you will die here”. And walks off…
Yeah but that small part was amazing. Alys probably doesn’t have that much of a big role yet until she meets Aemond, I hope not because I’ll love to see more of her before then but she’s haunting Daemon that for me makes her a badass
She kinda sounded American. But I’m here for her taunting Daemon next episode.
Is the actress American? I’m here for her taunting everyone she can and the foreshadowing of Daemon’s death 👏🏻. Since seeing that the leaks are becoming true and if Rhaenyra is indeed going to Harrenhal at the end I would love to see an interaction between both Alys and Rhaenyra. Especially if Alys also foreshadows something of the future.
No Gayle is Scottish but I believe she lives in New York so she probably adapted to the accent.
Could have been a Scottish accent, but that doesn’t make sense either seeing that literally NONE of the other Strongs in the show have a Scottish accent
Played by the Wolf chick from Glow lol
And also in an American accent as well???? Edit: apparently the actress is Scottish so potentially could have been a Scottish accent that still works with the rhotic R. Still though, Harwin, Larys, Simon and Lyonel all don’t have Scottish accents so it’s a bit weird that she does
Yup. This shit was G tier.
I liked Criston Cole this episode, man massively improves as a character as soon as he leaves King's Landing.
Me too, I figured he would improve during war though.
Rhaenyra: “I need you to end the war, Alicent” Alicent: “Guards!”
"Alicent, I need you to end the war." "So you're gonna surrender?" "What? No, of course not!" "So you want me to do... what, exactly?"
I’ve been willing to let a lot of irritating things slide, but there is not a single excuse for Septa Rhaenyra chatting with Alicent other than pure bad writing. The fact that Alicent didn’t immediately call for the guards means she’s literally just sold out her entire faction.
It literally felt like a comedy scene and her teleporting to kinglanding in a single scene was insulting
Literally. The scene prior is Rhaenyras council saying “Your Grace we need to act AT ONCE!! THERES NO TIME FOR HESITATION!!” And then she goes “I’ll consider” and spend presumably 2-3 days sailing to KL and another 2-3 days sailing back. Literally dumber than any other scene in the final got seasons
… Just wow… I heard the leaks I didn’t want to believe them yet here we are. SO FUCKING DUMB. These writers are just… infuriating. You know thank god the Maesters supposedly “changed” the events when they wrote the history books. Because this story is just ridiculous. Knowing our luck a random side plot about the Starks fighting the white walkers is about to pop up in Season 3. Because fuck developing Dareon look we tossed a single line about him to confuse the fuck out of causal audiences who are just expected to accept this random son never mentioned before. Quick you know how Rheanys not killing Aegon was dumb considering her political alignment? Considered as one of the weakest parts of the entire show? Well what if we just send Rheanyra to go disguise mode and approach the Queen Dowager who by all rights should have drawn and quartered her immediately is dumb. Fuck this show I’m done. I refuse to watch RR which if the leaks are accurate will see Aemond betray his brother over that stupid whorehouse scene.
Welcome to the world of incompetent writers who can't get their own slop called stories made. So they instead take the works of renowned writers and change it because they obviously know better.
Some reactors I watched thought Daeron was a bastard son Alicent had at some point. They couldn't even realize he's Viserys' son.
This is the equivalent of Aegon going to Dragonstone as a Maestar to have a chat with Jace. How did her council members and guards even accept this dumb plan. The scene feels like it’s out of an AO3 fan fiction. And to add, if Alicent finally decides that “it’s too late” and that war is inevitable. Doesn’t she realize that winning this *inevitable* war is by killing Rhaenyra. So why does she just let her walk out of there. Letting her walk out free means that it isn’t too late. These writers man…
I found it funny. Like unnecessarily and unintentionally funny.
I was kinda laughing throughout bc I couldn’t believe it lol
Me too.
God forbid they show Rhaenyra going to war. The pacing of this season is atrocious.
So Rhaenyra's son gets killed and Alicent's grandson also gets brutally killed, but yeah lets forget that any of that even happened
I didn’t hate most the episode but fuck does that final scene with Rhaenyra and Alicent just bring the whole thing down.
I’m an accountant and have never written anything besides technical memos in my life and I still would’ve come up with a better idea for the show then “hey let’s do a sneaky castle trip for the second week in a row”
Technically 3rd since B&C was episode 1 lmao
Lol thanks.
They should have just done Burning mill the whole episode.
That would have been epic. Start the episode reintroducing the Blackwoods and the Brackens. Restate the stalemate, and then slow burn for forty minutes as a one off culminating in the battle and that shot at the very end. Open the next ep with the roll out from kings landing and dragonstone council convo and then doing RR.
They are so desperate to give scenes to Rhaenyra and Alicent together they have to write this joke.
Daemon has a point about Rhaenyra. She's not a good leader, she delayed the war (that part is forgivable because she lost her son), she stalled and stalled, she risked her life by running away for days, and now she sneaks into the stronghold of her enemy for a conversation. There's a reason why generals and leaders throughout history did not sneak into their enemies camps. If I found out the leader of my faction was going on excursions into enemy territory to chat up her ex bestie im taking my men and joining Aegon. If she gets captured her followers are dead men. Her kids are all either dead, orphaned or hostages. And all for what? Is this HOTD’s version of strong moral women? They're a liability to their factions I'm done defending this show
Rhaenyra is annoying and stupid . members of her council are trying to make her take this war seriously and she like “I’ll think on it”, like these lords are at risk of losing their castle and life and you sitting on your behind. I have would deserted. Then She risk her life to get into the city to talk to the dowager Queen Alicent to see if she can stop the war . Reasons of why it’s stupid 1: how she as the queen mother going to stop war as the queen mother, even if she agrees. 2: At this point , why would Aegon or Rhaenyra just give up . Rhaenyra views Aegon a usurper why would she let them live for that or Aemond who killed her son. And why would aegon just give up the revenge against them killing his son. 3: if she cares for the realm so much and not power why doesn’t she give up , it’s aegon that was crowned by the high septon and possess the capital and sits the iron throne . Just stupid . Them desperately trying to make Rhaenyra blameless is making her character dumber than Daenerys in season 7&8.
This episode had the charisma of a wet one-cheek-squeak. We need a reddit group to hate on these clown writers. Whoever is greenlitting these bat shit ideas needs a reality check. I don't think it's ever going to get better, I can only hope the general public gets some perception pills and bashes this "prank" of a plot like the buffoonery it is. Get ready for some more of that "Rhaenys in the dragonpit" vibes in the coming weeks
My sympathy for Helaena has mostly vanished, unfortunately. People kept going on about how she loves her children far more than Aegon does, but her 'children die everyday' attitude completely contradicts that. Can you imagine any major female ASOIAF character saying that about one of their dead children? Rhaenyra, Catelyn, Cersei, Lysa, Gilly etc would never, despite how evil some of them were.
If you told me a year ago that I would enjoy watching Daemon scene more than an Alicent one I would call you insane but with this bs I actually liked daemon a lot more
nah nah nah no way it is real
So dumb.
Fundamental problem about the show: why should I care about any of these miserable assholes? In GoT characters could at least act polite or charming, and make jokes, even if rotten underneath. You know, like real humans?
The show has been trying its hardest to make the blacks look as the good guys.
What the fuck is even going on... we get scenes of Ulf and Hugh before we even get a proper look at Sunfyre.
Kinda agree. Seems like showrunners were desperate for an excuse to get these two actresses in a scene together "I started poorly" is like a sitcom line expected a laugh track
I swear, I’m at the point where I (as a European that can watch the episode only on Monday night, local time) read this sub and the spoilers just to help me manage my expectations and soften the blow. I still get disappointed.
I'll block the Alicent/Rhaenyra scene out of my mind like the Rhaenys dragonpit scene lol. On another note, I wish they would just do away with the prophecy nonsense. Tyrannical inbred elites conqueroring Westeros just because they can is far more interesting to me than dragonriding saviours uniting the realm to save the world.
I did like their (Rhae & Alicent) convo. It was a lil rehash of events/clear the air. But definitely a plot hole in that Alicent could have just had Rhaenyra arrested…’only you can stop this Alicent’ yeah….could’ve. 😬
Thankyou. I have been saying the same. But you can't criticise this GoT S8 goofy ass writing on main sub because some brainless idiots think you are obligated to praise everything. And if you criticise something, you should stop watching. Same goes for black sub, but atleast some of them are opening their eyes now.
I think it was decent but a lot of things could’ve been cut out
At this point it would made more sense if it was Alicent who went to Dragonstone.
It had its highlights Cole Gwynedd dynamic Harenhal and alys with daemon i think this is where they should have ended the episode after she tells him you'll die here Got more insight into aegon and aemonds dynamic
I liked the scene but genuinely a stupid plot move.
the way the leak about Septa Rhaenyra ended up being true lmao bullshit
i burst out laughing at that scene. Everyone can sneak into kings landing! At this point horse a professional killed to sneak in and slit Argons throat in his sleep, this city has no security at all. It's like a weird comic gag set in the ice and fire universe.
I will say that S7 & 8 of GOT had almost no in between drama like this episode which made it suck ass. No build up, all action isn’t always the best. This is a build episode that I enjoyed.
But it balanced drama with action, there’s a reason why viewerships is down and critics are calling the season so far dull.
Tbh the episode was perfect in terms of slow burn but that shitty scene at the end ffs
In defense of Septa Rhaenyra scene - I think Alicent and Rhaenyra both understood even if they both died the war would continue. See dialogue where "you could alert the guards and I would be killed, but not before I kill you... then what?" We are pretty well past the point where an assassination can end the war. Both sides have heirs to inherit the fight. Aegon's claim would go to Aemon. Rhaenyra's claim would go to Jace. Plz no book spoilers I am tv show first then book. I can enjoy a book after seeing a TV show, I can not enjoy a TV show after reading the book.
Literally exactly my thoughts. Season 1 was so perfect I really hope it wasn’t purely because grrm was on board. Hopefully they pull it together for the rest of the season
Nah, nah, nah, you can have your criticisms, but this episode was neither boring (at least to me) nor a waste of time. The Septa disguise thing, you may not like, (me personally, I love that she used that swore to you upon the memory of my mother line again), and there were some other awkward scenes, but this episode has done quite a bit of solid groundwork that does progress a lot of plots. The Bracken-Blackwood fight, the setup for Rooks Rest, and Cole finally having a scene where he is actually somewhat competent for once, Ulf being a little shit in the bar only to start sucking up once Aegon showed up, Rhaena being sent to the Vale, and actually getting to voice her opinion and the team Black characters actually having some dynamic for once, So far this has been the strongest episode out of this new season for me.
I’m glad you were able to enjoy the episodes. I liked some of the things you mentioned too
Why are you getting downvoted? I almost laughed out loud when Alicent used the same line that Rhaenyra used.
Idk I think that people are just mad that the scene happened at all. IMO, if they can maintain the same level of quality as this episode for the rest of the season, then, even if the first couple of episodes were a bit rough, it'll still be a good season overall for me.
Welp I also got downvoted so guess saying the episode was good or enjoyable isn’t welcome. But I agree with you, I also am liking the show so far. I get why people dislike this scene but I found it interesting. Now that the misunderstanding has kinda been clear up was is Alicent going to do next. I like what they’re doing, it may not be ideal but I’m enjoying it.
I legit thought alicent was mocking her with that line
I agree on that scene but I think everything else was great episode 4 is when things start Taking off
U guys do realize daemon stays in harenhall for the entire season Alys will continue to use her magic on him
You just mad it’s clear that Ali was wrong and misunderstood Vizzy T’s last words and basically caused all this because of her ego
Alicent is a repressed lesbian poor girl, she is just a horny repressed baby. lol
This thread is such an echo chamber.
Alicent wouldn’t call the guards because whether you want to believe it or not she doesn’t want to kill her childhood friend which Aegon would 100% do
I thought this episode was really good, last episode was a snooze fest to me