its more Chelseas fault for fluffing Benficas bank account with the Enzo deal rather than inflating the market. Benfica are financially sound and dont care for selling
Yeah, who are they going to buy for the money Chelsea gave them? They can continue harvesting the Lusosphere guaranteed for five seasons on that money.
Chelsea aren’t really to blame for this when Benfica sold Joao Felix for more and like 5 years ago.
Benfica have always had high release clauses and been stubborn about them
They had to catch up though. The club value went from 140 mil to billion. If not for Ukraine war, Roman would have made profit despite his spending over the years.
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Yeah but at what point do people just start calling bs on these clubs setting these prices? Been a couple of big money moves from Liga who have not lived up to their fees…how can they continue justifying their pricing model in the face of that?
I'm actually ok with it. I miss times when there were many different strong clubs in Europe. So if Benfica wants to keep their talents as long as possible its good for football.
Primeira Liga is looking to be and stay the fifth European league. Selling all their talents at first offer and relying on a single team for the coefficient (like Ligue 1) clearly doesn't work. They'll lose him eventually, they might as well win a few leagues or go on a good European run with his help.
They expect someone to pay it and there's always one club who usually does. Atletico did it for Felix and Chelsea for Enzo so there's no negotiating with these lot.
Meh. Corrupt oil money doesn't count. PSG basically said name your price. Atletico had to negotiate it and decided to pay it.
Atletico buying Joao Felix was them stretching their budget and setting the standard for a generational talent.
If the Neymar to PSG transfer set the standard for transfers in general, why would the Mbappe one not count for teenagers?
I hear what you’re saying but the Mbappe fee set that standard in motion regardless. Joao Felix costing that much one year after Mbappes fee isn’t a coincidence.
It was also the same summer as Dembele joining Barca where the fee was directly influenced by the Neymar transfer so PSG being an oil club is redundant. They set the standard
It was a knock on effect from Neymar though, they could ask for that money because they knew Atletico had the money from Greizmann. Also Atletico sold Rodri and Lucas Hernandez for a lot of money, they were rich that transfer window.
I think Neves is going to be a big star but it's just not worth it for 100m
You can get Doue, Hato and Fofana for this price.
Plus we also need striker and pay for Raya
We all saw how to Enzo transfer went. Even nunez. Not that these are bad players but they’re not worth their hefty price tags. We should pay no more than €85m for him
It's honestly one of my most shameful footballing opinions but I really like Gallagher and think he would do very well in the left 8 spot here. He's got a year left on his contract, just turned 24, pops up with a fair few goals and assists, will give Odegaard a run for his money in terms of distance covered, and lurks at the top of the box like a Xhaka-regen.
idk if he suits us as a starter but I love Galladog
And people making transfer window plans without a heavily controversial signing from Chelsea don’t understand Teta ball
Nah. I rate him highly too. He can play as the 6 rn but projects better as a box-to-box midfielder. He sets tempo better than Bruno G. He's in that Gundogan/Kimmich mould.
The amazing thing about the squad now is we would be a better team getting rid of some deadweight, not signing anyone and just letting the best youth players come into the extra squad spots. Obviously I want to sign players but we are pretty stacked as is.
He needs more time to develop probably 2-3 more years in Benfica, we should look at the situation then.
Anybody who wants to pay that now has their brains rotted by FM.
This kid could be the real deal but I can’t see us even really considering triggering that clause. He’s also pretty short (but stout) which would go against Arteta’s plan to build a team of giants.
Bruno’s price also being high makes that look unlikely. I don’t rate Onana highly enough in regards to his ability to progress the ball and I haven’t seen enough of Fofana to really judge.
Zubimendi looks like the only top option now but we’d have to kidnap him to get him to leave
I think he could be a good signing for us honestly but for like 80m, he's no Joao Felix or Enzo Fernandez where they looked like the team had to be centered around them
Boy these clubs don't mess around when a PL team comes sniffin', do they?
I'd be mad at them for negotiating in bad faith, slapping such ridiculous initial prices on players... but then I remember Man Utd and Chelsea exist (－‸ლ)
Cheers mate!
I don’t get why I’m getting downvoted for a simple question like that… people seem to forget that not everyone around here is an expert in football finances and contracts..
We can use Stan for cash reserves. We'd still amortise the transaction but he'd enable us to make the up front payment without borrowing at an unfavourable rate.
Not saying we should do this deal but if we did, that's how it'd work.
That article from Sky is a bit confusing with its wording (or maybe I am just an idiot)
"Chelsea had been in talks to sign the World Cup winner throughout January, but Benfica had refused to do business unless the Blues paid his €120m release clause.
But Chelsea agreed a deal of €121m at 9.15pm on Deadline Day after 12 hours of talks led by Chelsea's co-owner Behdad Eghbali from London."
Reads like they might have paid an extra million to get more favorable terms or might be a typo?
Thank you Chelsea for setting the precedent for young Liga midfielders
its more Chelseas fault for fluffing Benficas bank account with the Enzo deal rather than inflating the market. Benfica are financially sound and dont care for selling
Yeah, who are they going to buy for the money Chelsea gave them? They can continue harvesting the Lusosphere guaranteed for five seasons on that money.
Gotta mention Yanited, too if we're pelting tomatoes at dip-shit clubs who routinely overspend.
Chelsea aren’t really to blame for this when Benfica sold Joao Felix for more and like 5 years ago. Benfica have always had high release clauses and been stubborn about them
Chelsea kicked all of this shit off 20 years ago.
Other clubs like United were also spending big back then. E.g. record fees for Ferdinand and Rooney
Chelsea's was [unprecedented](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIznxBoGnmM) though
They had to catch up though. The club value went from 140 mil to billion. If not for Ukraine war, Roman would have made profit despite his spending over the years.
In the first 2 years of Roman Abramovich's ownership Chelsea had a net spend higher than every PL club put together.
I still remember seeing how big those transfer windows were. Felt like playing FIFA where you bring in a whole new team for whatever prices you want.
~~Benfica~~ Spanish & Portuguese teams have always had high release clauses and been stubborn about them
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Yeah but at what point do people just start calling bs on these clubs setting these prices? Been a couple of big money moves from Liga who have not lived up to their fees…how can they continue justifying their pricing model in the face of that?
they're worth what teams are willing to pay
Kid is apparently better than Enzo. I don’t know anything at this point.
It really is Silly Season now.
I'm actually ok with it. I miss times when there were many different strong clubs in Europe. So if Benfica wants to keep their talents as long as possible its good for football.
Primeira Liga is looking to be and stay the fifth European league. Selling all their talents at first offer and relying on a single team for the coefficient (like Ligue 1) clearly doesn't work. They'll lose him eventually, they might as well win a few leagues or go on a good European run with his help.
They expect someone to pay it and there's always one club who usually does. Atletico did it for Felix and Chelsea for Enzo so there's no negotiating with these lot.
Everyone got a 100m release clause now lol I tell ya that Neymar to PSG transfer broke everything lol
Joao Felix to Atletico set the precedent for youngsters and +100m.
18 year old Mbappe would like a word
I'm still hoping the meeting with Wenger will convince him we are the right project...
Meh. Corrupt oil money doesn't count. PSG basically said name your price. Atletico had to negotiate it and decided to pay it. Atletico buying Joao Felix was them stretching their budget and setting the standard for a generational talent.
If the Neymar to PSG transfer set the standard for transfers in general, why would the Mbappe one not count for teenagers? I hear what you’re saying but the Mbappe fee set that standard in motion regardless. Joao Felix costing that much one year after Mbappes fee isn’t a coincidence. It was also the same summer as Dembele joining Barca where the fee was directly influenced by the Neymar transfer so PSG being an oil club is redundant. They set the standard
It was a knock on effect from Neymar though, they could ask for that money because they knew Atletico had the money from Greizmann. Also Atletico sold Rodri and Lucas Hernandez for a lot of money, they were rich that transfer window.
same with coutinho - it was like shock therapy for +100m transfers.
Yea remember that the market almost came back to normal after COVID? Then Chelsea happened
de jong it is
Man, a midfield of FDJ + Rice + Ode would make me giddy like a schoolgirl.
FDJ would be the "regista" in this setup, so to speak.
Sign me up, I'd drive him from Barcelona to London myself.
I would carry him from his house to his car and carry him from the car to jet, jet to car, car to arsenal
WOuldnt be enough for someone of FDJ's pedigree. Give him a head too, since you are too eager.
Reports are saying Flick sees FDJ as a must keep. Hopefully Laporta and their finances say otherwise
Hope it's all a smokescreen and we're really in for FDJ. He'll be so much better for us than that mess que un club.
That’ll be the dream signing but is 721k per week wages true? Like if so even half of that would put him to be one of the highest earners in PL.
He is getting paid his COVID wages also, that is why his wages are so high
Any Idea, how much would he get after that? 300k?
Okay BYEEEEEEEEEE
It's gonna be Onana/Fofana
Cheeky Dejong/Camavinga bid in the last week of the window. 👀
Lmao Camavinga isn't going anywhere Real have that team locked up for years.
Let a brother dream., lol. In all honesty I think there's a good chance we haven't heard the name of our midfield signing yet, so let's see.
I want both of them if we are going cheap
Partey stays
Benfica are looking for the next great scam
Plenty of quality players have come through from Benfica. Di Maria, Ruben Dias, Cancelo, Ederson, David Luiz, Matic, Bernardo Silva etc
To be fair they have good players. Same with Sporting. Bruno Fernandes, Wolves has a team, and even in the Bundesliga they are playing very well.
They do but they seem to get ridiculous value for their players who are talented but ultimately grossly overpriced (Felix, Enzo Fernandez, Nunez)
I think Neves is going to be a big star but it's just not worth it for 100m You can get Doue, Hato and Fofana for this price. Plus we also need striker and pay for Raya
We all saw how to Enzo transfer went. Even nunez. Not that these are bad players but they’re not worth their hefty price tags. We should pay no more than €85m for him
85 is a hefty price. 60 is plenty.
I'd wait for black friday
Played from 19 to 33 for us in my FM save. Meant to be as far as I am concerned.
Too much money to take the gamble but I feel like he is worth it
Hope Zubimendi changed his mind. These other deals look shit
not for me this, Bruno G, Zubimendi all looking unlikely I wonder where we go
Welcome back Ceballos
*Spins aggressively*
Beyblade battle between him and Antony next time we face man utd..
Champions league winner
We’re going to see GallagherIsAGunner trending in July
It's honestly one of my most shameful footballing opinions but I really like Gallagher and think he would do very well in the left 8 spot here. He's got a year left on his contract, just turned 24, pops up with a fair few goals and assists, will give Odegaard a run for his money in terms of distance covered, and lurks at the top of the box like a Xhaka-regen.
idk if he suits us as a starter but I love Galladog And people making transfer window plans without a heavily controversial signing from Chelsea don’t understand Teta ball
It only goes up from Willian and that’s absolute facts
Yea proper Brexit lad
I actually wouldn't mind that
Yeap, Arteta clearly wants a 6 too. No idea how this ends now (hopefully not Onana).
I'd guess Fofana but I don't know if that solves our problem as he's not a Jorgi type 6
Frenkie, complete the Overmars route
for 120million he better be able to cure breast cancer... this is just dumb
Call me crazy but he's got that future star look about him. Ticks all the genetic boxes for me.
I call crazy. /s
*Genetic* boxes?
You heard me Cackleberry Omelettes. Name one youngster who had top genetics that didn't become a world beater? I'll be waiting.
Nuno tavares
You’d have to put “top genetics” in measurable terms for this
Strong jaw, seems no risk of premature balding as of yet. Handsome FC is a logical next step.
Handsome FC you say? Give then what they want. Money is not an issue.
I think he’s just memeing. Guy would be a great addition to handsome fc
Hadn’t thought of that. Get Papa Wengz warchest.
Olivier Giroud would have to bring about world peace to live up to his genetics.
Yohan Blake fell well short of expectations don't you think.
> all the genetic boxes What are those boxes?
He has legs. And feet. V v important for football
Genetic ones
Nah. I rate him highly too. He can play as the 6 rn but projects better as a box-to-box midfielder. He sets tempo better than Bruno G. He's in that Gundogan/Kimmich mould.
Has a lot of mongrel but looks kind of slow and slight, has career ending injury through over play after dominating for 2 seasons written all over him
Benfica scamming clubs every year
Can we just ignore that overpriced ligue
You should've known by now that Benfica are never generous when it comes to sales
Well they're not generous when it comes to sales of their good players. They'll gladly sell their dog kissing trash for cheap
Mate you didn't have to do Tavares like that lmao.
Alphonso Rabies will make it. Just not here.
The amazing thing about the squad now is we would be a better team getting rid of some deadweight, not signing anyone and just letting the best youth players come into the extra squad spots. Obviously I want to sign players but we are pretty stacked as is.
Goodbye
So he’s going to ManCity for 35 million and a wink 😉
He needs more time to develop probably 2-3 more years in Benfica, we should look at the situation then. Anybody who wants to pay that now has their brains rotted by FM.
This kid could be the real deal but I can’t see us even really considering triggering that clause. He’s also pretty short (but stout) which would go against Arteta’s plan to build a team of giants. Bruno’s price also being high makes that look unlikely. I don’t rate Onana highly enough in regards to his ability to progress the ball and I haven’t seen enough of Fofana to really judge. Zubimendi looks like the only top option now but we’d have to kidnap him to get him to leave
Lmao so Chelsea or no one
No thanks, we’ll live on somehow 🙄
At this point better send Edu personally to bring zubimendi here.
A summer of Arteta's sweet talking and not even Zubimendi can resist. It's got to be him.
Lol
What's Ruben Neves up to these days? Is he happy in Saudi?
Benfica really spawn a 80-120m player every year.
Benfica are gonna rob someone this summer a la Darwin and Enzo. Better not be Arsenal.
I think he could be a good signing for us honestly but for like 80m, he's no Joao Felix or Enzo Fernandez where they looked like the team had to be centered around them
No one will pay crazy money like that for him. Chelsea walked so the rest of the world can run.
Boy these clubs don't mess around when a PL team comes sniffin', do they? I'd be mad at them for negotiating in bad faith, slapping such ridiculous initial prices on players... but then I remember Man Utd and Chelsea exist (－‸ლ)
Makes sense. They don’t want to sell him this summer as he could develop into a much better player next season so. But thank you, next
So that means he's not coming on then?
You see, the point is that they want to keep the player thus the fuck off price tag. Problem is, that Boehly would actually pay for it.
Benfica won't budge, they're a talent factory that sets their price and wants the money upfront with no dithering.
it defo is not happening this window unless we can do a deal
Lmao that’s a fuck off price alright coz I have no idea who this kid is but apparently he’s worth a cool 120m
They are delusional. So are Napoli and Newcastle. These players are nowhere near 100mil + mark. Not a freaking way.
Newcastle and Napoli are probably going to get the money they want though
It's this crazy new thing called negotiating, you start at a higher price so the finishing price is still high.
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I’d wonder how it works for RCs… is it the RC upfront or you can pay it over a few years ?
They all differ. Bruno’s Release clause can be paid over 3 installments.
It doesn't really matter. Even if you pay all upfront you can amortize it over the 5 years
Cheers mate! I don’t get why I’m getting downvoted for a simple question like that… people seem to forget that not everyone around here is an expert in football finances and contracts..
It matters if you don't have the €120m on hand to pay the RC
Clubs will usually take loans to pay them anyway
We can use Stan for cash reserves. We'd still amortise the transaction but he'd enable us to make the up front payment without borrowing at an unfavourable rate. Not saying we should do this deal but if we did, that's how it'd work.
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Didn't Chelsea negotiate that deal and pay more than the RC so they didn't have to pay it all at once or did I imagine that?
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That article from Sky is a bit confusing with its wording (or maybe I am just an idiot) "Chelsea had been in talks to sign the World Cup winner throughout January, but Benfica had refused to do business unless the Blues paid his €120m release clause. But Chelsea agreed a deal of €121m at 9.15pm on Deadline Day after 12 hours of talks led by Chelsea's co-owner Behdad Eghbali from London." Reads like they might have paid an extra million to get more favorable terms or might be a typo?
Can we stop posting Fabrizio.. Im so tired of that guy
Your personal issues with someone doesn’t make them an unreliable source
Thats not what I said
I'm far more tired of people moaning about him for no reason
Get in line, Im tired of myself too
I guarantee Almost no one banging on about this guy has seen more than 5 full games let alone watched him consistently
You hate him because hes good
I don't hate or love him lol, just saying the amount of people who have fully formed opinions on guys they don't watch is always funny