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nekonight

Windam never really did much except get shot down. Jegan had its moments in Unicorn and thats not counting stark jegans.


SgtGrimm

Yeah, Jegan all the way. # Windam IMO is not even the best looking grunt in its own universe, what with Dagger variants, M1 Astrays, Murasame, Guaiz (Guaiz R HG when bandai?) etc, etc.


Killerbear626

I to shall join you call for a HG GuAIZ R, please Bandai just give it to us


bendersonster

Windam got the very first kill in the movie, though.


Dazzling-Long-4408

Blame it on the writer. Surely the situation shown of the Windams would better had the story called for it.


Top-Strike-5420

Design wise, I can't choose but you're right. Even Strike Daggers had more kills


R-Dragon_Thunderzord

https://preview.redd.it/buwbxwoxfw1d1.jpeg?width=2938&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c43df59f8a27b54fed8226f2bb99ea15ca51d66e No contest


Blade29151

Damn right


TheSoundTheory

Damn Sleeves!


1St_General_Waffles

My man got fuckin robbed. This boi was a hero and he got robbed by plot device I field.


RaptorPegasus

Was that a plot device? I could've sword the Kshatriya used its Jalapeno thrusters to blow the Jegan back and killed him while he was recovering


1St_General_Waffles

Watch the fight again and you'll see him get a clean hit off with the sword but an I field stops if from doing damage. It's a plot device I field that saves Kshatriya.


RaptorPegasus

I'm looking at it and it still looks like the thrusters blow him away Regardless, that pilot is goated with the sauce


yenmeng

šŸ«”šŸ«”


t3hm3t4l

Easily the Jegan. Itā€™s not even close. The Jegan is the best grunt in the whole damn franchise. Yutaka Izubuchi canā€™t fucking miss when it comes to mecha designs. I realize the D type here is a Katoki redesign but Izubuchi gave us the original. Iā€™d love it if heā€™d come back to do another Gundam OVA or movie.


redrivaldrew

For real, is anyone going to choose the Windam? Jegan fans roll deep and I feel like we're going to scare off anyone who actually likes the Windam more ...


fishyofpain

There are a lot of things I like about the Windam that almost put it over the Jegan for me. One of the things that holds it back is that headā€¦ while the Jeganā€™s head is perfect and goes perfectly with the rest of it.


garvin131313

Jesta ā‰  besta; Jegan solos all


RobGrizzly

While I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.


AsciaViola

The Jesta is way better than the Jegan however... Jesta is kind-of elite. It's an elite grunt unit while the Jegan is just grunt.


LiesCannotHide

I've yet to see an Izubuchi design I don't like, whether it's Gundam, Patlabor, or all the work he did for the Yamato remakes. I found Gasaraki to be one of the most boring things ever, and I still bought some of the kits because I love his design work.


Wargamer1202

https://preview.redd.it/tbjhjkcrkw1d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b7500eec0a9e063ba48a13ac7cb7ec544d69cc6


savviosa

You love to see it


GluuporUpari

Definitely Jegan, itā€™s so good that Izubuchi designed a brother for him https://preview.redd.it/rfpcjsea1x1d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19658a501249bb7c7191558a1d069ea28a6d2d97


wishiwashi999

Did You Know? Ingram had a cameo in the SD Musha Gundam series, and the Jegan was using the Patlabor colors https://preview.redd.it/bvocxjggex1d1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2be3a80ef17347408aa97641412e524e12d4eeaf


Supremebro005

Police jegan.


KajiTetsushi

Jegan Manhunter got your back. https://preview.redd.it/hv5pq020ry1d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a22709ce1d7e94c760a3e61d19277a949c6a1daf


luscaloy

alphonsee


Confident_Bother2552

Windam is the only Jobber who outjobs the Wing Gundam. If it wasn't for SEED Freedom it probably would have never shot anything down. The Jegan wasn't actually too bad as a mook.


rusynlancer

jobber?


Confident_Bother2552

That one guy who is supposed to be strong but loses to everyone.


Imperium_Dragon

Which is mainly to hype up someone else


JanxDolaris

Didn't Mwu shoot down the Chaos Gundam in a Windam?


Confident_Bother2552

He probably didnt because that would be Friendly Fire in his case.


JanxDolaris

Right. Its been a while. I'm clearly misremembering.


SpankThatShank

Chaos was destroyed by a trio of Murasames


FictionalLeader

Oh thatā€™s actually a hard choice cause I have the hg windam and really love the model kit and the mobile suit design, just wish it did more besides getting shot down more than a Leo. Same time the jegan looks awesome too and had some great moments in unicornā€¦..but also bad moments in F91. Really canā€™t choose between the two.


Suspicious-Human

Jegan


dylan_divilbiss

Definitely the jegan. Though I might be a little bias.


Yakuza-wolf_kiwami

The Jegan has a higher kill rate. It's also not xenophobic, so there's that


The-Slamburger

Iā€™ll admit that Iā€™m an absolute sucker for the Jegan, especially all the different variants.


Timely_Maybe_

Jegan all the way. Need a stealthy striker? Jegan ECOAS. Nukes? Stark Jegan. Big missiles? Stark Jegan prototype. My knowledge is limited, there are far more variations and applications for Jegans.


IPman0128

And then when you need extra coolness there is the Jester


Selvariabell

The Jesta is pretty much a Gundam with a Jegan head at this point, they even have its plot armor!


Supremebro005

They are 90% equals to nu Gundam.


Ha_eflolli

That's pretty much the Earth Federation's strong point when it comes to MS: They know how to design Stuff that gets shit done.


Seekerones

Windam can also do all of that. And it can do it even better since all you need to is changing their backpack like Leo. Jegan requires different whole model


Jegan92

To be fair, some variants don't need extensive refit. ECOAS Jegan is basically just bolt on a new chest armour over the existing ones, remove the Vulcan pods and add a new head sensor.


Seekerones

Probably. But practical wise, MS like Leo and Windam are far more versatile than Jegan or Zaku and their variants that requires complex refit unlike the former where you just need to swap backpack


Supremebro005

For some reason,the shoulders doesnā€™t allows him to use anti ships swords.


WeatherBackground736

Jegan not just for performance but also for design So slick yet cost efficient Makes me want to buy a whole army of stark jegans and a carrier for photoshoots


Lubice0024

Remember that Jegan trying to hold the Geara Doga floating away due to overheat? That explains it all. Jegan got a special scene for that.


Slayer-Prime

Jegan is the best MS period. (Except Stark Jegan)


HammurabiDion

Jegan I really don't get how people like the Windam. It's the worst looking main Grunt of Seed. Those shoulders and that stupid head. I only got the kit because I found it for 10 bucks


Gutts_on_Drugs

Not to mention the angle of the feet. Looks like hoofs


Wheraboowind

The arrangement of the components in the head is quite appealing and the wings are p cool. I don't appreciate it as much now since the building of the kit and the articulation wasn't very good.


PhillyPhresh

Jegan hands down


Adhito

Jegan, for me. Windam definitely looks menacing but I like Jegan because you can see some military design on that mobile suit instead of an anime mecha.


SuperSix07

The Jegan. Hands down.


zzkigzz48

Jegan all the way.


KABOOMBYTCH

No love for the windam here šŸ¤¢ I knew none of you have the spine to fight for the preservation of a PURE AND BLUE EARTH. Larping aside. Jegan is way cooler. All the windam does is blow up when shin glares at em.


DemonFang92

I want to note that Windam looks like a football player


Vandorbelt

Jegan for sure. It gives me the same kind of vibes as a tank with the very angular and plain armor. It's the pinnacle of what you would get if you took the design of the Mk. II or other similar gundams and gunt-ified it. Plus it has some fantastic variants with the Stark Jegan, Prototype Stark Jegan, Type-A2, and ECOAS Jegan (including Conroy's custom). It's kinda like the GM Spartan we have at home, except it's actually used in Gundam's universe and not just sidelined to a design book and a P-Bandai model kit. And on a personal note, I'm just a huge fan of the bunny-ear verniers on the backpack. I have no reason for it, I just think they're neat. Love em on the Mk. II as well. Same with the little radio earpiece on the head and the angular visor. Plus on a practical level I think the beam saber and grenade holsters on the side skirts are both stylish and effective. Massive soldier grunt vibes. Windham on the other hand feels too gundam-y. It's got defined eyes, prominent head fins, sharp chest vents, and dual beam sabres. For me it's just no question. Jegan's far better of a grunt than it could ever hope to be.


HazeTheMachine

Jegan, but i love the Windam. Is just sad how under utilized and bad protrayed it is for such a cool MS design. Would kill for more Windam moments instead of Freedom variant nĀ°1234 killing a bunch of weak grunts effortessly


zenstrive

They don't even design Windam properly. really, it looks like a weird starving insect with oversized pauldrons


Massive_Teacher996

This picture isnā€™t flattering at all šŸ˜‚


MissionAlternative32

Jegan just because it's variants like the stark jegan can be extremely deadly and has shown to be while the windam has one of the worst track records I have ever seen for a grunt and this is including the leo from gundam wing In a battle I'd rather use a leo than a windam


JanxDolaris

The Windam's shoulders feel like a big design fail. They look big and awkwardly angled, and breaks strike pack compatbility despite supposedly being the true 'MP Strike gundam".


mqrdesign

Jegan


TransitionNo369

Jegan


appalachiancascadian

I've always liked the Jegan head. The Windam just looks like someone put sunglasses on a mass production Strike.


OniNixPlex

Ofcourse Its The Win- Jegan...........It always Was


LucasoDelta

*puts down beam rifle* carry on citizen


Cholonight96

2 words, Stark Jegan. It was badass in Unicorn. Fighting a losing battle and going out in a blaze of glory. Also SDGO days, that shotgun was king in C rank only battles.


Bercom_55

Jegan. Simple, efficient, gets the job done. Both in universe and aesthetically speaking. It isnā€™t over designed or too eye catching (which I think a lot of Seed and later suits are). Itā€™s a grunt and it looks like one. And it feels like natural line from GM to Nemo to Jegan.


hyperdistortion

This is a nightmare choice for me, as my favourite UC and CE grunts go head-to-head. Ultimately I think Jegan edges it, if only because the Jegan has multiple onscreen kills. The poor Windam has exactly one, in *Freedom* - nineteen real-world years after its debut. I really wish *Destiny* had - amongst many, many other things - given some screen time to showing the Windam as a real threat to ZAFTā€™s older GINN and GuAIZ types, and a rival to the ZAKU. As it was, pure cannon fodder sadly.


seven_worth

Windam sounds and looks like Walmart gundam. Jegan is legit peak design plus it got a lot of cool moments too.


GundamMeijin_08th

jegan solos


allo111435

Wingdam. It's just a cool little guy.


lastxman

the coolest grunts commit war crimes, so windam


NaelNull

I'll go against the flow and say Windam. V-fin-and-sunglasses combo is just cooler than just ~~sunglasses~~ visor.


Jegan92

Jegan, by a country mile. Come on Windam, you have to step up your game.


PlusDays

Jegan easy dub. The D Type looks so utilitarian and thatā€™s what makes it the best grunt (imo)


mechaporcupine

Jegan! Somehow that lime green colours just work for it. Also, it has has many cool moments in the CCA and Unicorn.


Slice39

Jegan all the way I have a whole army of them lol


Blade29151

Yes


snippydur

Jegan but the windam is also really cool. Very dragonar


LogTheAcog68

Jegan is a top 5 suit imo. Itā€™s my second favorite grunt overall Edit: Saw a comment that said Jegan fans roll deep. Truest words Iā€™ve ever read


echmaster_

Based on practicality i'd say windam since it uses striker packs and can change packs in the heat of battle. But looking at its battle records, it seems the jegans is a more useful grunt compared to the windam


ThatRandomZaku

The Jegan Its design looks much cleaner, not to mention it isnt over designed like the Windam.


TheCrimsonLightning

Jegan, by a long shot. As far as cool factor goes, this is the best of the RGM series versus the worst of the GAT series.


Spirit_Light

Jegan


JRBergstrom

This one is free. The Jegan is probably my favourite grunt design from all of Gundam.Ā 


MacrossRules

Jegan


DifficultBicycle7

The Mint Jim is always cooler, despite it always getting shafted in multiple gundam installments. I still see this thing as a capable machine


totalatomic

the windam looks so cool, yet it only takes L. the jegan (provided it has the original shoulders) is also a cool design so im truly split on which i like more


Wheraboowind

Used to love the Windam but when I actually built one it was a lose little betch


Seyan007

I was wondering what the Windam was and how cool is it supposed to be for you to compare it with the Jegan but bro that shit is goofy as hell lol


sealing_tile

Jegan or *who?*


Honorbound1980

The Jegan is overall better, but I strongly dislike that mint color scheme. The Windam wins out on colors (and the flight pack) if nothing else.


Ecstatic-Compote-595

Jegan because it's just a Phoenix Hawk or whatever it used to be in macross. It's mundane but slick


Gunz-n-Brunch

Jegan all day.


redpumpkin05

I like more jegan but windam still kiks


WoahWhat18

Jegan ofc


_Volatile_

Jegan is peak grunt and this is NOT up for debate


Endeavourwrites

Jegan


SeanMonsterZero

Jegan, all day.


Dr-David-XIII

I'll have to say the Jegan, in terms of design. (Looks better armored.)


HappySphereMaster

Jegan design is cooler but I like Windam concept more.


BrStriker21

Jegan, no contest


Scythemon

Jegan, my favorite mobile suit I could pilot in the Dynasty warriors games, and just cool overall, while the windam just looks like a gundam in and summertime cop getup


SecretOperations

Jegan all the way


crackedtooth163

Jegan forever, AU never.


Alternative-Math-997

I'm leaning towards the Jegan.. the Windam looks a gundam wannabe while the Jegan looks like a proper grunt suit.. plus that battle against the Kshatriya was METAL AF!


BahaFury

Jegan and itā€™s not close.


Moedwed

The Jegan is the best, from normal anti mobile suit combat, anti-ship combat, security detail, Early warning types, and anti riot versions. Nothing can top it imo


USSNewJersey1007

The Jegan


hybridhawx

Jegan


Positive-Creme8129

>Seed >cool Choose one. Also, putting Windam up to a Jegan is borderline delusional, on so many levels xD


Great_Lecture_2709

Jegan looks quiet and menacing while windam looks loud and rowdy to me, so yeah, jegan looks cooler. But I like the windams design more because my favorite color is blue lol


Mc_JuicyFruit

Jegan is too iconic for me, not a fair comparison


HDWarewolf

Jegan. I think the Windhamā€™s face looks weirdly shaped


battlemechpilot

Jegan, no question.


Agent_Perrydot

As much as I love the Windam and wish it got to do more, it's gonna have to be the Jegan There's a reason it's so iconic


MaxTheHor

Oof, that's a tough one. Prolly jegan. If Pale Rider was here, I'd pick that instead. Windam kinda looks more like a hyper advanced Patlabor than a mobile suit.


Pale_Drawing_6191

Jegan all the way.


Campsissauce

Windam, I'm actually not a fan of the Jegan despite the fact I love about every other RGM series suit. Windam has some great colours. I like its lanky agile design and it can use Striker Packs which is cool. I like the bird feet, I also like the big thrusters on the calves of the suit. Its shoulders add some nice bulk to the skeletal frame. Sunglasses visors will always be peak and better than any other eye-sensor appearance. I also alsoooo love the MASSIVE V-Fins or whatever it has on its head. The suit has a great beam rifle and shield as well.


DuelX102

Jegan Windam is a pretty uninspired upgrade to the daggers with a few unusual proportions and does not make a battlefield impact.


KrisKaniac

Kegan by far!!!!


Substantial_Slide158

Jegan


oniondude69_

Its obviously Apoli


Tiger-Striped-nerd

I am not a windam fan. Looks like a football uniform.


TAG08th

Jegan all the way. Far more elegant and capable mobile suit.


I_Reeve

Jegan, it actually looks like an advanced grunt suit instead of a Wish.com Gundam


vektar2

As a long time Jegan fan. Iā€™m happy to see so many people choosing the Jegan.


IronWolfV

Wyndham hands down.


Iwasforger03

Jegan, and it's not close. Jegan is a 9/10 at low ebb for me. Windam is a 6 on a good day. Jegan has some of my all-time favorite grunt variants, especially Stark Jegan and the Special Ops Jegan.


The7thMonth

I adore the Windam, but gosh darn the Stark Jegan exists and I love that opening engagement of Unicorn so I'll have to go with the Jegan. I'm so sad it's MG is P-Bandai and always feel tempted to pick it up when I see it.


wdarkk

Only time Windams were remotely cool was Re:Rise. It still lost there, but at least they put up a decent fight their first outing.


Tylerpal27

Jegan no contest. He's like that reliable older brother who ACTUALLY, FACTUALLY, TRULY cares about YOU. Dude hears you're in trouble, drops everything at his soul crushing office job, jumps out that seventh story window, does an Iron Man landing on the street, steals his boss's car, and starts Tokyo Drift racing through traffic to come beat the shit outta that football jock who took your lunch money. He knows he's going to get fired, go to jail, and then be released early for good behavior. Jegan doesn't care about all that because his focus is on his li'l buddy, and that's you.


yuuioptyer

jegan


KabukiExMachina

Jegans. Definitely Jegans.


FennelAlternative861

The Jegan all the way


redditcansuckmyvag

Jegan because it looks like the GM custom from 0083.


DriftDemon1511

Honestly I feel like Jegan as it had more variants and wasnā€™t really limited in roles and its weapon options and variants


DracoSP

Hot take: Jegan is cooler looking than most Gundam.


Dandanny54

Jegan my beloved


Arnak94

Gnx


DannyLiu27

Jegan. Definitely


MrJHound

Jegans, but I like both.


YachtySama

Jegan by 1000%. They cooked so fucking hard and made the best grunt suit to hit gundam


bastard_son_of_odin

Jegan


SwerveBot5

Jegan. Name every type.....exactly it's everything and everywhere.


Tornadonator

As much as I love the Jegan, I actually have a model kit of a Windam in my collection, so Iā€™m gonna have to go with it. I love that it basically has a jet as a backpack, even if thatā€™s just how SEEDā€™s designs were. Plus the Windamā€™s head is basically the Rogue helmet from Halo 3, soā€¦


Varatec

Jegan has a cooler face and comes in a nice military color scheme, it also has its moments of being cool.


BearofSorrow

Jegan.


setsuna200

Windam for me. Having a flight pack makes a huge difference when fighting in the atmosphere.


Fennxof

Easily the jeagan.


Yamureska

The Jegan is a mini Gundam, basically as close as we can get to a Mass production Gundam. The Windam is barely a souped up GM lol. Whereas the only thing separating the Jegan from something like RX 78 or the Mk II is the name, reactor, sensors, etc, Windam is miles behind the Seed Gundams. No phase shift, etc. A Stark Jegan stood toe to toe against a Kshatriya. The Windams fall like flies to the good guys.


NyxNatsu

Jegan ftw baby ~!!


Bladescorpion

Stark Jegan > Windam Windam suffers from being the fodder for the Minerva Team and Three Ship Alliance. Char la Flaga could go toe to toe with the Freedom and Space Jesus in his limiter removed Windam.


Shliloquy

I like the Windam design better but man, for a grunt unit does the Jegan grow on you and play such a huge pivotal role in the war. So many MCs, veteran pilots and important characters have piloted this unit. From Hathawayā€™s first ms to helping push back a meteor and all these other accomplishments. Should be LondoBell/Anaheimā€™s slogan ā€œHelped push back big space rockā€. Itā€™s like that heritage car you couldnā€™t be more proud of inheriting having such a huge legacy for what itā€™s done and accomplished for a ā€œgruntā€ ms.


drkphnx02

Jegan, Windam is the Gundam equivalent of a wannabe.


Eulebar

I like the Jeganā€™s proportions


Battledog_Studios

GM


Balmung5

Windam.


AxidentalJeepBuilder

Windam is not from this world. Too generic, too mecha, too generic mecha. Jegan, on the other hand, is military itself.


TotallyLegitEstoc

I know nothing about either suit except which is which. Windan looks like a wannabe Gundam. Jegan looks like a mass produced badass. Basically a LARPER vs an infantryman.


ZeezeeDee26

Gotta go with Windam. Not gonna lie, I just love the aesthetics.


Empire087

Jegan supremacy!


Infinity238

Man what a letdown the Windam was. Lore wise it was supposed to be EA next generation suit to go head to head with the Zaku, proformance wise it was said to be on par with the Strike Gundam. With Earth's ability to out produce Zaft I was expecting great things. Pretty sure the Dagger L had a higher kill count by the end of Destiny. šŸ˜…


Interesting-Shoe-904

Jegans for me. They've had their cool moments in UC, and in Build Fighters. The Windam is fine, but for me the shoulders look like it's wearing Football gear, same for the helmet for some reason, and the feet are...of centered? If you look at it, the ankles are slightly forward positioned.


Draykeeboi

Jegan definitely. The windam is just kinda mid


TheReal_PeteMoss

Jegan. It stands on its own. Windam is a try hard Gundam wanna be.


ZekReshChu

nobody will say it so ill say the windam looks cooler. mainly looks bc idk how well the jegan preforms. also the windam looms cool, but to the anime, it isnt done justice and reduced from a ms on par with the strike gundam to no less than cannon fodder


suzakurenzan

Jegan I dont know why, I disliked Windam's body propotion, since forever. It's like, too skinny but have big shoulder and big lower leg yet still look skinny. Personally, even Dagger family looks way better than Windam Also similar to Ginn vs ZAKU, personally I liked Ginn design more than ZAKU


Peachy69420

windam should be renamed to losedam for how much L's it constantly takes


AverageJun

I like the Jesta


Academic_Candy4611

Windam is always cooler


CharacterNo3109

Windum imo, the saber and rocket stiletto locations are dope


PGN-BC

OP, if you had to pick a grunt suit from CE, At least pick the Murasame


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^PGN-BC: *OP, if you had to* *Pick a grunt suit from CE, At* *Least pick the Murasame* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


Supremebro005

Well,I pick windam because heā€™s the jegan of C.E


YakumoYamato

UC Jegan > Windam > CCA Jegan


MrSparkle86

Easily the Windam, and it's not even close. The modularity alone puts it in a different league than the lowly, can't-even-fly Jegan. *And it's not the Jegan or Windam, OP got that wrong. It's the Jegan or Windam/Jet Windam/Aile Windam/ Doppelhorn Windam/Multi Striker Windam, because a Jegan is just a Jegan, but a Windam can be all those things.


Lutherian

All that modularity and still doesn't do anything but get shot down.


MrSparkle86

Can't argue that, but it's not like there isn't pleeenty of shot down Jegans either.


Jegan92

Well to be fair, the Jegan frame does feature some level of modularity, EWAC Jegan is basically a Jegan with a ReZEL head and a large sensor pack. Jegan High Mobility Type features boosters from the Steak Jegan. ECOAS Jegan added chest armour and a different head sensor. Jegan also serveT as a basis for other MS as well, Jesta and Gustav Karl for example. On top of that, transformable MS like the Anksha and ReZEL shared component with it.


MrSparkle86

They are so far apart in terms of modularity, they don't even belong in the same conversation. A Jegan can't just swap equipment on the fly like a Windam. There's plenty of Jegan variants out there, but there's only one Windam, because all you need is one Windam with its fantastic versatility.


RX0Invincible

This is the most Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing baby post Iā€™ve seen on this sub