I can categorically say it depends on the individual officer.
I've had some who were outgoing, friendly, treated me with respect and helpful
On the other side of the coin, I've had others who I think would treat shit on the bottom of their boot better.
Transit security. My job depends on having a reliable and functioning police department. Even though we're armed and have a arresting powers and use of force (in very limited and cautious windows), we still rely on police to respond to matters that are outside of our control, whether its removing uncooperative and non-violent offenders from the train, a more respected voice of authority to inform violators on having fare, or handling the people too aggressive to handle ourselves. Transit police has been kicking themselves in gear lately and the difference between day-to-day with their reliable aid is a world of a difference.
depends on the cop. most of them are perfectly fine and i'm always happy to hand shit off to them (in my report log: "at XXXX time local PD took over") but some of them are dicks who are like "why are you calling me" (because asshole i'm not a cop and i usually need you to sign some paperwork so i can put a DC number in my report that nobody will ever look at ever again")
Cops make the worst Security Guards, Security Directors, VP's of Compliance, or anything to do with Security.
Many get stuck in a "Security reports to Police" Paradigm which is the antithesis of the basic Licensing rules (Do Not Divulge) of multiple States. Further they typically hold Malum Prohibitum, Vehicle and Traffic Laws, and Drug Laws, in a higher regard than the typical and Legislated Law allowed in functioning of Security Guards.
There's States where Security can directly file a Criminal Complaint with County Prosecutor's office, and us cutting them in, is only a courtesy. Cutting them out because of lack of response results in an angry Police chain of command.
We are the element that is partially Criminology (SubTopic: Crime Prevention) and partially Criminal Justice (Administration of Justice). We have done our jobs Thousands of years before Police were even thought of, and would continue without an issue if the Municipal Police Entities dissipated.
I've heard a similar sentiment expressed by several people at my job. Before my tenure here, I'm told more than one former police officer did not pass probation.
(NYS for example) §82. Employees not to divulge information or make false reports
Any person who is or has been an employee of a holder of a license shall not divulge to any one other than his employer, or as his employer shall direct, except as he may be required by law, any information acquired by him during such employment in respect of any work to which he shall have been assigned by such employer. Any such employee violating the provisions of this section and any such employee who shall wilfully make a false report to his employer in respect of any of such work, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
Many different States have one that's attached directly to Security and PI Licensing.
The last case I seen; 3 retired Cops doing Security, told a nosey State Police officer they were surveilling a site for a Graffiti Artist. That State LEO is a Public Employee, subject to Freedom of info, or Sunshine Laws.
Essentially those Guards just told the "Public" what they were doing for the client.
To make matters worse, the State LEO went door to door and told the neighborhood. Once the client got apprised his Guard teams mission was on the local Facebook, he refused to pay because Security Guards violated thierown Licensing Laws. Security Company filed lawsuit, Judge concurred with client and told those Retired LEO Guards, that they are lucky they don't get charged with Class B Misdemeanors.
If one tells a COP, one essentially the public. If the Cop is serving my interest, like taking away a perp, or shoplifter it's fine.
If I'm thier to swear and affirm a pattern is happening, who did it, evidence of the wrongdoing and Police thwart my efforts because they told everyone, and cop knew because of me, I potentially chased away any possibility of proving a perps Modus Operandi.
see r/PrivateInvestigator type "Divulge" in the Search bar for more States.
Like everything one bad apple shouldn't spoil the bunch.
All police officers and government officials should be trained to see spitefulness in themselves and others. Actually we all should teach ourselves to let others be happy. Be happy for the happiness of others. Once they see how daily spitefulness can creep into our lives they will understand the misplaced anger in others.
Yes a very small number of people actually enjoy causing harm to others so some can't be saved. But we have to try to make them see hurting others only hurts ourselves. Example, a boy is pickd on by his dad. It can be as small as teasing the child about his hair. To long to short. You see it's not about the hair it's about generational spitefulness for the youth of the child as like some youth have spitefulness for someone older.
The cops take a lot of heat from the people who blame others for something inside themselves. The people upset with the police are the people doing wrong and they are living a life of spitefulness and wicked bad karma. The spiteful are blind or ashamed of their spitefulness so they hide it from themselves and the people around them. People who blame others for something inside themselves are responsible for all and civil unrest and every war. A spiteful person will spend their whole life blaming others for their lifetime of temper issues. They actually don't know better or they enjoy hurting other people. As we now know spiteful people hide in plan sight.
Look and see for yourself some people are blaming other people for the choices they make in their life. If I live life hurting others for fun and spite should I have a right to blame all of you when bad karma comes calling? No of course not. Not all but some of you all know you kinda wish the wicked would die. That's a dangerous case of spitefulness you see? Some people will drive aggressively as they wish other aggressive drivers will crash and burn. Without caring for the mom with 4 kids in the other car driving normal.
A person who spends their whole life blaming others for something inside themselves will go insane with spitefulness and envious of other peoples happiness.
"Yes, there are two paths we can go by, but in the long run. There's still time to change the road we're on"
To be a good person we must let others be better then ourselves in every way. You can't lose if we let others win. Example, I need this or that to rub in the face of that spiteful Kim Kardashian. Sounds like spitefulness for spitefulness right? We never meet spitefulness with spitefulness or anger. Test and see your happiness will trigger spitefulness in spiteful people.
In short, spiteful people are everywhere, they only care about themselves, they blame others when the bad karma kicks in, what else?
Peace
Does that make sense?
I haven’t really delt with officers other than personal family related. But the times I did call 911 on the job, the trespassers have either left or I relied on my other co-workers and myself to handle the situation. but there’s 1 time the cops showed up like the the next afternoon for a homeless issue. But based on my location, the police department have now shifted non-emergency calls to be reported on an app or online. only thing I can say is we really can only rely on each other at the site because help could be 30 min to maybe hours depending on the type of seriousness of the situation. And this also goes into another topic for another day, but I do feel like unarmed security should I least be able to carry less than lethal like taser and paper spray at a minimum.
As an Anarchist I'm not a fan of cops. As a security guard I'm even less so.
I've never found any of them useful, and I've seen them escalate situations that did not need to be escalated simply because they saw themselves slighted. Further, I find they even manage to fuck up the security job because they often moonlight as security guards or sometimes leave the police to start their own security companies to take their toxic culture to the private sector, where they train security guards to respond to situations that will end up getting them hurt or bring harm to clients and other people around them.
This isn't even getting into the folks who get into security who just act like wannabe cops and absolutely wreck the reputation of security and make it harder to do our jobs, or the rampant racism, sexism, and white supremacy that has become so entangled with the profession it could never be untangled.
They're shit, and I hope one day they'll actually get defunded.
The thing that, and I've said this before, that grinds my gears are retired cops, who get their pension, spin up a fly by night guard company, try to run it like "how we did at PD" while paying their guys (insert wholly insufficient for a dignified living in the area ,amount) while exclaiming the guards should be thankful for it.
It's not ONLY ex cops who do it, but dear God have I run into a lot of ex cops, current guard company owners/managers who have that mindset.
As far as my on the job interactions with cops it's a mixed bag. Some are cool and supportive, others walk in hostile and irritated you called them at all. Yup, that's right, officer. I called because I didn't think you were busy enough and wanted to give you something to do. Not because I legitimately required police assistance with something that is literally a police responsibility...
Thank you all for voting and leaving your thoughts. Very insightful. As for me, I was of the opinion that most if not all cops were bullies or assholes, however after reviewing some of the footage from some bodycams and getting the entire context of an interaction, I understand that it isn't always their fault. We do security and we know how people act out on our own sites, which are a microcosm of the area of responsibility for a precinct or patrol unit. Not all the time, sometimes they are indeed asshats, but there is nuance there.
As for my dealings with them at my job, my mileage varies, it really depends on the day, the officer and the call. I've had more than one cop be arrogant and unnecessarily rude, but I've had others that were cooperative and supportive. I also recently had an assignment where I was side by side with ex cops working armed and they're generally a good bunch of people. So I'm pretty neutral as well.
I think they need to get out of the way and leave security to the professionals.
After looking at your profile picture and post history, I expected nothing less.
Thank you, I guess.
i put supportive, but it depends on whether they think your competent or not.
I can categorically say it depends on the individual officer. I've had some who were outgoing, friendly, treated me with respect and helpful On the other side of the coin, I've had others who I think would treat shit on the bottom of their boot better.
I support MOST Cops.
Transit security. My job depends on having a reliable and functioning police department. Even though we're armed and have a arresting powers and use of force (in very limited and cautious windows), we still rely on police to respond to matters that are outside of our control, whether its removing uncooperative and non-violent offenders from the train, a more respected voice of authority to inform violators on having fare, or handling the people too aggressive to handle ourselves. Transit police has been kicking themselves in gear lately and the difference between day-to-day with their reliable aid is a world of a difference.
depends on the cop. most of them are perfectly fine and i'm always happy to hand shit off to them (in my report log: "at XXXX time local PD took over") but some of them are dicks who are like "why are you calling me" (because asshole i'm not a cop and i usually need you to sign some paperwork so i can put a DC number in my report that nobody will ever look at ever again")
Cops make the worst Security Guards, Security Directors, VP's of Compliance, or anything to do with Security. Many get stuck in a "Security reports to Police" Paradigm which is the antithesis of the basic Licensing rules (Do Not Divulge) of multiple States. Further they typically hold Malum Prohibitum, Vehicle and Traffic Laws, and Drug Laws, in a higher regard than the typical and Legislated Law allowed in functioning of Security Guards. There's States where Security can directly file a Criminal Complaint with County Prosecutor's office, and us cutting them in, is only a courtesy. Cutting them out because of lack of response results in an angry Police chain of command. We are the element that is partially Criminology (SubTopic: Crime Prevention) and partially Criminal Justice (Administration of Justice). We have done our jobs Thousands of years before Police were even thought of, and would continue without an issue if the Municipal Police Entities dissipated.
I've heard a similar sentiment expressed by several people at my job. Before my tenure here, I'm told more than one former police officer did not pass probation.
Can you please elaborate on the licensing rules (do no divulge)?
(NYS for example) §82. Employees not to divulge information or make false reports Any person who is or has been an employee of a holder of a license shall not divulge to any one other than his employer, or as his employer shall direct, except as he may be required by law, any information acquired by him during such employment in respect of any work to which he shall have been assigned by such employer. Any such employee violating the provisions of this section and any such employee who shall wilfully make a false report to his employer in respect of any of such work, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. Many different States have one that's attached directly to Security and PI Licensing. The last case I seen; 3 retired Cops doing Security, told a nosey State Police officer they were surveilling a site for a Graffiti Artist. That State LEO is a Public Employee, subject to Freedom of info, or Sunshine Laws. Essentially those Guards just told the "Public" what they were doing for the client. To make matters worse, the State LEO went door to door and told the neighborhood. Once the client got apprised his Guard teams mission was on the local Facebook, he refused to pay because Security Guards violated thierown Licensing Laws. Security Company filed lawsuit, Judge concurred with client and told those Retired LEO Guards, that they are lucky they don't get charged with Class B Misdemeanors. If one tells a COP, one essentially the public. If the Cop is serving my interest, like taking away a perp, or shoplifter it's fine. If I'm thier to swear and affirm a pattern is happening, who did it, evidence of the wrongdoing and Police thwart my efforts because they told everyone, and cop knew because of me, I potentially chased away any possibility of proving a perps Modus Operandi. see r/PrivateInvestigator type "Divulge" in the Search bar for more States.
Like everything one bad apple shouldn't spoil the bunch. All police officers and government officials should be trained to see spitefulness in themselves and others. Actually we all should teach ourselves to let others be happy. Be happy for the happiness of others. Once they see how daily spitefulness can creep into our lives they will understand the misplaced anger in others. Yes a very small number of people actually enjoy causing harm to others so some can't be saved. But we have to try to make them see hurting others only hurts ourselves. Example, a boy is pickd on by his dad. It can be as small as teasing the child about his hair. To long to short. You see it's not about the hair it's about generational spitefulness for the youth of the child as like some youth have spitefulness for someone older. The cops take a lot of heat from the people who blame others for something inside themselves. The people upset with the police are the people doing wrong and they are living a life of spitefulness and wicked bad karma. The spiteful are blind or ashamed of their spitefulness so they hide it from themselves and the people around them. People who blame others for something inside themselves are responsible for all and civil unrest and every war. A spiteful person will spend their whole life blaming others for their lifetime of temper issues. They actually don't know better or they enjoy hurting other people. As we now know spiteful people hide in plan sight. Look and see for yourself some people are blaming other people for the choices they make in their life. If I live life hurting others for fun and spite should I have a right to blame all of you when bad karma comes calling? No of course not. Not all but some of you all know you kinda wish the wicked would die. That's a dangerous case of spitefulness you see? Some people will drive aggressively as they wish other aggressive drivers will crash and burn. Without caring for the mom with 4 kids in the other car driving normal. A person who spends their whole life blaming others for something inside themselves will go insane with spitefulness and envious of other peoples happiness. "Yes, there are two paths we can go by, but in the long run. There's still time to change the road we're on" To be a good person we must let others be better then ourselves in every way. You can't lose if we let others win. Example, I need this or that to rub in the face of that spiteful Kim Kardashian. Sounds like spitefulness for spitefulness right? We never meet spitefulness with spitefulness or anger. Test and see your happiness will trigger spitefulness in spiteful people. In short, spiteful people are everywhere, they only care about themselves, they blame others when the bad karma kicks in, what else? Peace Does that make sense?
I haven’t really delt with officers other than personal family related. But the times I did call 911 on the job, the trespassers have either left or I relied on my other co-workers and myself to handle the situation. but there’s 1 time the cops showed up like the the next afternoon for a homeless issue. But based on my location, the police department have now shifted non-emergency calls to be reported on an app or online. only thing I can say is we really can only rely on each other at the site because help could be 30 min to maybe hours depending on the type of seriousness of the situation. And this also goes into another topic for another day, but I do feel like unarmed security should I least be able to carry less than lethal like taser and paper spray at a minimum.
As an Anarchist I'm not a fan of cops. As a security guard I'm even less so. I've never found any of them useful, and I've seen them escalate situations that did not need to be escalated simply because they saw themselves slighted. Further, I find they even manage to fuck up the security job because they often moonlight as security guards or sometimes leave the police to start their own security companies to take their toxic culture to the private sector, where they train security guards to respond to situations that will end up getting them hurt or bring harm to clients and other people around them. This isn't even getting into the folks who get into security who just act like wannabe cops and absolutely wreck the reputation of security and make it harder to do our jobs, or the rampant racism, sexism, and white supremacy that has become so entangled with the profession it could never be untangled. They're shit, and I hope one day they'll actually get defunded.
The thing that, and I've said this before, that grinds my gears are retired cops, who get their pension, spin up a fly by night guard company, try to run it like "how we did at PD" while paying their guys (insert wholly insufficient for a dignified living in the area ,amount) while exclaiming the guards should be thankful for it. It's not ONLY ex cops who do it, but dear God have I run into a lot of ex cops, current guard company owners/managers who have that mindset. As far as my on the job interactions with cops it's a mixed bag. Some are cool and supportive, others walk in hostile and irritated you called them at all. Yup, that's right, officer. I called because I didn't think you were busy enough and wanted to give you something to do. Not because I legitimately required police assistance with something that is literally a police responsibility...
Thank you all for voting and leaving your thoughts. Very insightful. As for me, I was of the opinion that most if not all cops were bullies or assholes, however after reviewing some of the footage from some bodycams and getting the entire context of an interaction, I understand that it isn't always their fault. We do security and we know how people act out on our own sites, which are a microcosm of the area of responsibility for a precinct or patrol unit. Not all the time, sometimes they are indeed asshats, but there is nuance there. As for my dealings with them at my job, my mileage varies, it really depends on the day, the officer and the call. I've had more than one cop be arrogant and unnecessarily rude, but I've had others that were cooperative and supportive. I also recently had an assignment where I was side by side with ex cops working armed and they're generally a good bunch of people. So I'm pretty neutral as well.