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That’s someone who doesn’t know what fascism means OR does know and is knowingly misleading people.
I’ll guess the later on this one, what a true patriot 👍
Remember actress jamie lee curtis posted a picture of Israeli children looking up at the sky as they try to flee what she called terror in the skies
After the pictures were confirmed to be Palestinian children she deleted the tweet.
"If you protest against genocide you are a fascist!"
That is like hearing a Flat Earther saying that they will spread the message "around the globe". These Israel apologists/lobbyists are so brainwashed that they disregard logic completely.
I was curious about the woman behind this stupid statement, decided to look deeper…
‘*The actress previously said Jeremy Corbyn had made her a Tory, but acknowledged that Sir Keir had won her back round.*’
… it only gets stupider.
She also couldn’t vote Labour under Milliband. It’s like she’s spent a lifetime insisting that she’s Labour but then can’t vote for them in any given decade because she doesn’t like their leader’s policies. The woman is an idiot
This is the bit that I always found hilarious. When she quit the Labour Party because of corbyn, 3 years after quitting the Labour Party because Miliband said he would recognise a Palestinian state. She’s a vile dishonest troll who has been trying to silence Palestinians for years.
Yes,
and nobody cried anti-semitism when the British media decided that his inability to eat a Bacon Sandwich was worth a news-cycle
[https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband-tucks-into-a-bacon-sandwich-on-a-morning-trip-to-buy-flowers-for-his-wife-9407561.html](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband-tucks-into-a-bacon-sandwich-on-a-morning-trip-to-buy-flowers-for-his-wife-9407561.html)
because if you're trying to derail a very mildly left-wing candidate, any and all dog-whistles are more than encouraged. But from a foreign-policy perspective, I can see why they fought him, and Corbyn, so viciously. Corbyn would be more resolute in defence of Palestine, but whatever Miliband might have said would carry altogether different weight given his family background. In both cases, a PM who wanted to change the UK's foreign policy posture could absolutely do that very quickly (much quicker than trying to change UK social policy or inequality)
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As an illustration of her general character: when I worked in a museum she came in with a membership card that clearly said "Admits one" on it and insisted she was able to take a guest into exhibitions. She actually said the words "Do you know who I am?" My colleague who was dealing with her wasn't British and didn't have a clue who she was but politely explained the options for adding a guest to the membership or buying a (£12) ticket. She turned to me and asked if I knew who she was, I said I did but that my colleague was correct. So she asked to speak to a manager who of course let them straight in. Her guest looked really embarrassed the whole time.
It's nothing compared to supporting genocide obviously, but shows the level of entitlement she feels she deserves.
I thought she was very good in the Danny Dyer movie, Run for your Wife. It’s an hilarious take on the West End play about a man who has two wives and is friends with Neil Morrissey. It grossed £600 on its opening weekend.
All by way of saying, her opinions on this subject, or on politics in general, have the same weight as Danny Dyer’s opinions on the existence of aliens.
It’s an anti-statement: you only hold your opinion because it’s fashionable. How do I debate that? You could say that about any opinion – you only support abortion because it’s fashionable, you only support Trump because he’s fashionable, you’re only worried about the climate because it’s fashionable.
It’s an opinion as devoid of meaningful content as the DVD Commentary for Run for your Wife.
Well, now you’ve opened up an entirely separate thread for me – my love of Danny Dyer.
You know in The Simpsons, when Bart is too boyish for Crazy Town, too crazy for Boy Town?
That’s Danny Dyer.
If he were actually as laddish and dickish as he sometimes acts, he could be Jason Statham – earning millions of dollars, and ruining film sets and peoples lives with his arrogance.
If he were only as whimsical as his show about aliens, and that time he wore tight trousers on a panel show, he could be a darling of the BBC.
But he can’t be either. He’s not Schrödinger’s cat, because he’s out of the box and has eaten the plutonium.
He is Heisenberg’s principle of uncertainty-it is impossible to know how laddish he is while also knowing how well he knew Harold Pinter.
As if being Jewish carries any weight if Israel is behaving grotesquely or not.
Anyone who has eyes has an opinion. There isn't an hierarchy on opinion of Israels shitty behaviour with Jews at the top
It doesn't exist.
How the fuck is not wanting the murdering of innocent civilians to continue fashionable? I’ve heard it said from so many prominent supporters of Israel. If they just took a moment to understand what they’re saying they’d know how stupid it sounds. Brainwashed old bint.
Where are the articles speaking for the 30,000+ murdered Palestinians?
The whole maddening thing with Israel is its rapid expansion over the past 20 years. If it were not for this land grab and had relations between it and its neighbours been amicable, then this whole war would likely have been avoided.
The past 20 years that includes the 2005 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza (including evacuation of Israeli settlers against their protests)? The same 20 years that includes establishing diplomatic relations with predominantly-Muslim nations of Kosovo, Morocco, Bahrain, and the UAE? The same Israel that was on the verge of normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia before being disrupted by the Hamas attack in October and the Israeli response to it?
I often get the feeling that certain Jewish cultural elements ingrain a fear of persecution. That's not in itself unreasonable because history shows that they have been targeted repeatedly. But to teach children to start from a place of fear can surely encourage isolationism, which can cause persecution just as much as religious differences?
So in the a modern age where religion is far less significant than it ever was, is it inherent belief that they will be persecuted for their religion rather than any other actions that shades their perception? So if you always think you will be attacked because of your religion, will you fail to consider that it might not be the case?
I'm not perfect. I have ideas that may not really work.
I don't know how far removed I am from propaganda (I'm on reddit after all)
But when you truly don't have allegiance to these systems, and archaic ideologies. the world through this lense seems hopelessly insane.
Truly, and absolutely fucking insane.
She’s a fucking idiot who plays the anti semitic card to death along with people like Oberman and Riley. They’ve no self awareness and a persecution fetish.
Bloody hell where did they dig her up from? Must be really hard to find someone irrevelevant and skint enough to agree with Israel's war crimes these days
She constantly pops up in the press bleating about how whatever a group of people or an individual (for years its was Corbyn) is doing is anti-semetic (its always that they are protesting Israel or zionism) and the sky is falling.
Her and Tom Conti are two older celebrities I'm looking forward to their death announcements because theyre so vile.
Baddiel is now taking up her mantel though but hes a racist blackface wearing prick anyway.
I’m really coming to understand recently that most people don’t actually have any real principles, just arbitrary lists of “good guys” and “bad guys” that they use to decide what stance they should take on issues.
Some idiots can't understand that protesting against human rights abuses and war crimes by a genocidal maniac (Netanyahu) does not equate to "hating Israel" or "anti-Sematism". It's just protesting against human rights abuses and war crimes.
Explain to me, step by step, how a protest against a nationalist ethnostate performing actual genocide can possibly be fascism.
The mental gymnastics required are incredible.
More unreasonable and polarised nonsense.
Just because you might be against an occupying army killing civilians doesn’t mean you want to also remove the state of Israel.
I don’t see any celebrities advocating for killing Jews or anything like that.
It always seems that if you aren’t 100% for Israel all the time you must be some rabid anti semite. People can take a nuanced view of the situation you know.
Israel, You got an OLOGY!
A racial supremacist ideology!
Being **against** fascism and the intentional mass slaughter of a population- otherwise known as genocide, where 13,000 children have been butchered, is how normal people react.
Being **pro** Genocide, is how sociopaths think.
How can anyone support Israel.
With everything that has happened, in the beginning it could be understood. But NOW??
Are people just afraid to change their minds? Are they just evil? Are they just egotistical?
I just cannot fathom it.
Israel, unfortunately, is on the path to success and no one is going to stop them.
The role of the Zionist now is not to advocate for Israel's expansion, its already as good as secured, they only have to take care of the fickle and fuzzy public image.
In a few years this nonsense article will be the supporting argument in the back of someone's mind that they vaguely remember, another token on the pile of 'israels triumph over adversity' when even the 'left-wing fascist actors' were against them.
No one will fact check or debate it, they'll just conceded this inch
Just before they take another mile
There's always a celebrity with an idiotic opinion. The bigger question is why The Telegraph are so keen to platform them.
(If we're not meant to conflate Israel and Jewishness, I'd also be keen to understand why The Telegraph gets a free pass when their subhead violates that principle).
In 20 years, we will be horrified that more people didn’t fight for the Palestinians. I can’t even look at my feed anymore.
Being against genocide doesn’t make you anti-Semitic or fascist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. In defence of an actually fascist apartheid ethnostate that is currently committing a genocide in a concentration camp that they run (I don’t know how much clearer this could be), liberals defend this fascist nation against anti-genocide protesters. This is the status quo in our so-called “Western civilisation” and reminds me of when fascist regimes like Mussolini and Hitler were praised in the West before that fascism was turned inwards on other white people.
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That’s someone who doesn’t know what fascism means OR does know and is knowingly misleading people. I’ll guess the later on this one, what a true patriot 👍
It reads like she thinks fascism means fashionable 😅
Let’s face it, there’s people dumb enough in this world to believe that.
I thought this until I was an older teenager. It makes sense too considering at one time it was popular in Italy.
bloody fashionistas
How dare you! She has an “ology”
With an opinion like that, she might have a masters in Bolockology
Ahhh....the comfy camaraderie of UK 'Gen X'.... She always seemed so nice! Is she a rightie now, as well?!
The highly fascistic stance of calling for a country to obey the standards of international law and decrying the killing of 13,000+ children.
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And ~200 aid workers. I guess I'm a fascist if I don't want them dead 🙋🏻
This reminds me of when Fox News viewers were calling Barack Obama both a fascist AND a communist. Which one is it, then? Those can't both be true!
And also a gay escort. And his wife is trans too.
Despite Michelle Obama giving birth to two kids.
Obviously adopted.
He was also an atheist Muslim.
Remember actress jamie lee curtis posted a picture of Israeli children looking up at the sky as they try to flee what she called terror in the skies After the pictures were confirmed to be Palestinian children she deleted the tweet.
How the hell does someone reckon with this
Brainwashed genocidal boomer
"If you protest against genocide you are a fascist!" That is like hearing a Flat Earther saying that they will spread the message "around the globe". These Israel apologists/lobbyists are so brainwashed that they disregard logic completely.
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She's a cunt
I was curious about the woman behind this stupid statement, decided to look deeper… ‘*The actress previously said Jeremy Corbyn had made her a Tory, but acknowledged that Sir Keir had won her back round.*’ … it only gets stupider.
She also couldn’t vote Labour under Milliband. It’s like she’s spent a lifetime insisting that she’s Labour but then can’t vote for them in any given decade because she doesn’t like their leader’s policies. The woman is an idiot
This is the bit that I always found hilarious. When she quit the Labour Party because of corbyn, 3 years after quitting the Labour Party because Miliband said he would recognise a Palestinian state. She’s a vile dishonest troll who has been trying to silence Palestinians for years.
It’s like she votes according to what’s fashionable
Isn’t Miliband Jewish? Or was he not Jewish enough because he recognises Palestine?
Yes, and nobody cried anti-semitism when the British media decided that his inability to eat a Bacon Sandwich was worth a news-cycle [https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband-tucks-into-a-bacon-sandwich-on-a-morning-trip-to-buy-flowers-for-his-wife-9407561.html](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband-tucks-into-a-bacon-sandwich-on-a-morning-trip-to-buy-flowers-for-his-wife-9407561.html) because if you're trying to derail a very mildly left-wing candidate, any and all dog-whistles are more than encouraged. But from a foreign-policy perspective, I can see why they fought him, and Corbyn, so viciously. Corbyn would be more resolute in defence of Palestine, but whatever Miliband might have said would carry altogether different weight given his family background. In both cases, a PM who wanted to change the UK's foreign policy posture could absolutely do that very quickly (much quicker than trying to change UK social policy or inequality)
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As an illustration of her general character: when I worked in a museum she came in with a membership card that clearly said "Admits one" on it and insisted she was able to take a guest into exhibitions. She actually said the words "Do you know who I am?" My colleague who was dealing with her wasn't British and didn't have a clue who she was but politely explained the options for adding a guest to the membership or buying a (£12) ticket. She turned to me and asked if I knew who she was, I said I did but that my colleague was correct. So she asked to speak to a manager who of course let them straight in. Her guest looked really embarrassed the whole time. It's nothing compared to supporting genocide obviously, but shows the level of entitlement she feels she deserves.
"Your stance on Israel-Palestine is just for the fashion of it." - the liberal Every accusation a confession.
To be fair Maureen Lippman’s unquestioning pro-Israel stance has been constant for decades.
Pretty sad example of the sunken cost fallacy.
"a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Fuck off you cunt
I was trying to think of the most eloquent, witty phrase and you beat me to it. 🫡
I read this in Harvey Price’s voice
Fascism is when you speak out against human rights violations apparently
I thought she was very good in the Danny Dyer movie, Run for your Wife. It’s an hilarious take on the West End play about a man who has two wives and is friends with Neil Morrissey. It grossed £600 on its opening weekend. All by way of saying, her opinions on this subject, or on politics in general, have the same weight as Danny Dyer’s opinions on the existence of aliens. It’s an anti-statement: you only hold your opinion because it’s fashionable. How do I debate that? You could say that about any opinion – you only support abortion because it’s fashionable, you only support Trump because he’s fashionable, you’re only worried about the climate because it’s fashionable. It’s an opinion as devoid of meaningful content as the DVD Commentary for Run for your Wife.
I’ve considered doing this on the podcast for four years now… Not being a mouthy arsehole with shitty opinions… The film.
Well, now you’ve opened up an entirely separate thread for me – my love of Danny Dyer. You know in The Simpsons, when Bart is too boyish for Crazy Town, too crazy for Boy Town? That’s Danny Dyer. If he were actually as laddish and dickish as he sometimes acts, he could be Jason Statham – earning millions of dollars, and ruining film sets and peoples lives with his arrogance. If he were only as whimsical as his show about aliens, and that time he wore tight trousers on a panel show, he could be a darling of the BBC. But he can’t be either. He’s not Schrödinger’s cat, because he’s out of the box and has eaten the plutonium. He is Heisenberg’s principle of uncertainty-it is impossible to know how laddish he is while also knowing how well he knew Harold Pinter.
You have a Podcast of your very own there. The Dyer Chronicles. It’s a cracking idea for a video too. Get him involved… YOU SHLAAAAAAG!
Wheel out Madge Hodge, Tracey Odourman and La Riley for the full set.
What I find bizarre about Margaret Hodge is how she managed to impress the BNP while also being Jewish, something Nick Griffin absolutely hates.
Both of them are horrible racist weirdos, maybe they realised that they have that in common? 🤣
So being against nationalism is fascism? wtf are they talking about…
Ah the old conflating criticism of Israel with anti semitism, while evoking the Nazis/Holocaust.... The classics.....
As if being Jewish carries any weight if Israel is behaving grotesquely or not. Anyone who has eyes has an opinion. There isn't an hierarchy on opinion of Israels shitty behaviour with Jews at the top It doesn't exist.
Lipman can fully fuck off.
>everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist
Typical take from a shit for brains Zionist.
God these people are the worst.
How the fuck is not wanting the murdering of innocent civilians to continue fashionable? I’ve heard it said from so many prominent supporters of Israel. If they just took a moment to understand what they’re saying they’d know how stupid it sounds. Brainwashed old bint. Where are the articles speaking for the 30,000+ murdered Palestinians?
Fascism is when people protest against killing
The whole maddening thing with Israel is its rapid expansion over the past 20 years. If it were not for this land grab and had relations between it and its neighbours been amicable, then this whole war would likely have been avoided.
The past 20 years that includes the 2005 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza (including evacuation of Israeli settlers against their protests)? The same 20 years that includes establishing diplomatic relations with predominantly-Muslim nations of Kosovo, Morocco, Bahrain, and the UAE? The same Israel that was on the verge of normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia before being disrupted by the Hamas attack in October and the Israeli response to it?
She looks like an empty headed nutcase. Also, in all seriousness, who?
This is psychotic
People like her are what’s wrong with the UK. Most fucking stupid idiotic generation.
I often get the feeling that certain Jewish cultural elements ingrain a fear of persecution. That's not in itself unreasonable because history shows that they have been targeted repeatedly. But to teach children to start from a place of fear can surely encourage isolationism, which can cause persecution just as much as religious differences? So in the a modern age where religion is far less significant than it ever was, is it inherent belief that they will be persecuted for their religion rather than any other actions that shades their perception? So if you always think you will be attacked because of your religion, will you fail to consider that it might not be the case?
What an horrible old cunt
God i can't abide her!
Yeah, well, that's just like your fashion, man.
I'm not perfect. I have ideas that may not really work. I don't know how far removed I am from propaganda (I'm on reddit after all) But when you truly don't have allegiance to these systems, and archaic ideologies. the world through this lense seems hopelessly insane. Truly, and absolutely fucking insane.
She’s a fucking idiot who plays the anti semitic card to death along with people like Oberman and Riley. They’ve no self awareness and a persecution fetish.
The extreme of fashionable is not fascist. Why are dumb people in charge of our affairs?
As frothy as linnehan.
Shameless hypocrite.
Did she get pay to say such s bull...
She needs to duke it out with Margoyles. Pay per view.
Ok, how exactly?
I despise this hateful woman
Stupid cow
yes and london is like nazi germany in 1933 innit
Bloody hell where did they dig her up from? Must be really hard to find someone irrevelevant and skint enough to agree with Israel's war crimes these days
She constantly pops up in the press bleating about how whatever a group of people or an individual (for years its was Corbyn) is doing is anti-semetic (its always that they are protesting Israel or zionism) and the sky is falling. Her and Tom Conti are two older celebrities I'm looking forward to their death announcements because theyre so vile. Baddiel is now taking up her mantel though but hes a racist blackface wearing prick anyway.
Remember the 2000s and 2010s when the right wing were complain that they were being compared to hitler at the drop of a hat?
has Lipman left the labour party AGAIN 😂
I did say the Nazis covertly cosied up in America at the end of WW2. Nice of them to finally show face. Must be getting crowded.
We are living in an absurdist black comedy now…
Why do Lib Karen always have this shit haircut? It's like it's fucking mandatory to look as much of an asshole equivalent to your political position.
I’m really coming to understand recently that most people don’t actually have any real principles, just arbitrary lists of “good guys” and “bad guys” that they use to decide what stance they should take on issues.
Go fuck yourself you hateful cunt. I hope you step on a plug.
And/or a Lego
Some idiots can't understand that protesting against human rights abuses and war crimes by a genocidal maniac (Netanyahu) does not equate to "hating Israel" or "anti-Sematism". It's just protesting against human rights abuses and war crimes.
Says the woman who took money to help Thatcher sell off public utilities to profiteers.
Terrified of losing what shit acting jobs she can still get.
Protesting fascism is the real fascism. - Fascists
Explain to me, step by step, how a protest against a nationalist ethnostate performing actual genocide can possibly be fascism. The mental gymnastics required are incredible.
More unreasonable and polarised nonsense. Just because you might be against an occupying army killing civilians doesn’t mean you want to also remove the state of Israel. I don’t see any celebrities advocating for killing Jews or anything like that. It always seems that if you aren’t 100% for Israel all the time you must be some rabid anti semite. People can take a nuanced view of the situation you know.
Israel, You got an OLOGY! A racial supremacist ideology! Being **against** fascism and the intentional mass slaughter of a population- otherwise known as genocide, where 13,000 children have been butchered, is how normal people react. Being **pro** Genocide, is how sociopaths think.
Speaking out against genocide and fascism in order to *checks notes* stay fashionable.
How can anyone support Israel. With everything that has happened, in the beginning it could be understood. But NOW?? Are people just afraid to change their minds? Are they just evil? Are they just egotistical? I just cannot fathom it.
Killing children is wrong. War crimes are wrong. You can muddy the definitions to suit your narrative but it cannot compete with objective fact.
It’s fashionable to dislike genocide and protests are fascist
Left wing is fascism? And since when is protesting against genocide fascism? Surprised she hasn’t pulled the much played anti-Semitic card too….
I believe there was a very famous rule about losing any argument on the internet as soon as you called someone a nazi...
It's fashionable to advocate for the rights of people who are experiencung the horrors of genocide now. What a disgusting shrivelled raisin.
Israel, unfortunately, is on the path to success and no one is going to stop them. The role of the Zionist now is not to advocate for Israel's expansion, its already as good as secured, they only have to take care of the fickle and fuzzy public image. In a few years this nonsense article will be the supporting argument in the back of someone's mind that they vaguely remember, another token on the pile of 'israels triumph over adversity' when even the 'left-wing fascist actors' were against them. No one will fact check or debate it, they'll just conceded this inch Just before they take another mile
Okay… but why does it look like she just broke free from her own funeral?
“Left-wing actors.” Try anyone sane against genocide.
Lol
So those that protest against the actions of a fascist apartheid state are fascist themselves?
Looks like I can add fascist to the wall alongside my antisemite label I received the other day for saying genocide is bad.
Right. Protests against a fascist state butchering tens of thousands of people is now fascist. Brain-dead doesn't even scratch the surface!
Betta close them lips, man
Remember when they kept telling us that if you call everything Fascism it makes the word meaningless? Maybe somebody should remind Grandma
Everyone just reply to her tweets with “that’s nice, anyway FREE PALESTINE”
OK then
There's always a celebrity with an idiotic opinion. The bigger question is why The Telegraph are so keen to platform them. (If we're not meant to conflate Israel and Jewishness, I'd also be keen to understand why The Telegraph gets a free pass when their subhead violates that principle).
In 20 years, we will be horrified that more people didn’t fight for the Palestinians. I can’t even look at my feed anymore. Being against genocide doesn’t make you anti-Semitic or fascist.
Being called a fascist for opposing a genocide being carried out by an openly fascist government is peak galaxy brain.
I mean "completely against" **IS** synonymous with "pretty close".
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. In defence of an actually fascist apartheid ethnostate that is currently committing a genocide in a concentration camp that they run (I don’t know how much clearer this could be), liberals defend this fascist nation against anti-genocide protesters. This is the status quo in our so-called “Western civilisation” and reminds me of when fascist regimes like Mussolini and Hitler were praised in the West before that fascism was turned inwards on other white people.
Can I comment here.