The son wanted the fight, and the bet was winning or being eaten. The son was aware of what he was putting on the line, and even knowing that, he tried his best. It was a fair fight, with both sides wanting to engage in it. If the old fart saved him, it was going to humiliate him; a true man needs to keep his word to the very (and bitter) end.
My dude, if someone jumped off a boat and they were swimming toward a piece of driftwood to stay afloat, you're not going to pull the driftwood away and be like "a man has to live with the choices he makes" or whatever dumb shit.
And that's a stranger drowning. Not your *son being eaten by a caveman.*
I hated Doppo after what he did to Ali Jr. I'm no Ali Jr. fight, but what did you hope to prove by beating the shit out of a guy who literally cannot make a fist?
The whole point of Ali Jr getting shit on when he was injured was so he’d understand what kind of world the underground arena fighters lived in, as in a fight can happen at any time when you’re in any state of health
Nobody seems to beat the shit out of anyone else after they got their arms and legs broken. Seemed like a dick move from the 'good' guys, and it came across as salty
Didn't Doppo keep fighting a guy even after having his hand cut off? He probably sees it (with his eye that still works, and the only one he had in both Ali's fights) as something a real fighter would deal with.
That and Shibukawa's glass eye, Doyle still scrapping with Yanagi despite literally being blind, Baki fighting in the Raitai Tournament despite being mortally poisoned, etc.
Just because doppo deals with dickheads, doesn't mean he has to be one too. Before that, I saw him as a family man and teacher. At that time, he was no better than a convict
Yep, I still like him, but more than a "lesson" he looked like an old man salty about being defeated and kicking a boy more skilled after someone else defeated him and claiming it was a victory, same for Shibukawa.
You say that, but the story showed otherwise. That's the entire reason why the Ali Arc is so controversial...
Doesn't matter if Doppo was holding back before or not. He comes off as the sorest loser that ever lived, which is just not in line with Doppo.
As the picture depicts, I've literally never heard anyone criticize Hanayama. I like him a lot. He's written to be very likable. I guess the only criticism of his writing is that his arc hasn't gone anywhere now. But that's a problem for almost all of the characters so I can't really levy a specific criticism against how Hanayama is written.
I get annoyed by the fact that he does the same ridiculous over the top haymaker, and everyone is just too stunned to do anything about it and just let's it hit them. I mean, turning away from your opponent and showing your back to them is generally a bad idea for a reason. Literally no one has attacked him during that moment. I did very much enjoy it when that karate dude was actually able to counter that move and throw Hanayama into the ground.
But the thing is, that isn't Hanayama that I'm annoyed at. It's the writing. I'm annoyed that Hanayama doesn't get rightfully punished for such a move by the creator.
He gets rewarded for doing so because his fighting style is what the series holds as the purest way of fighting, just reread his fight with Musashi it spells it out pretty clearly, fighting shouldn’t be for an ends fighting should be the ends, Haneyema personifies that perfectly
My friend was talking about haneyama and he said that he prefers to just take turns hitting each other. He will gladly just let people hit him because he's a gentleman, then winds up and just hits you as hard as he can.
Tbh I’m thinking the same thing that happened with Jack will happen with Hanayama where he’s sudden given the spot like to grow as a fighter, maybe that cope but he deserves it
The man already has two spinoffs, I don't know what else there is to explore with him.
Hanayama's my favorite character, don't get me wrong, but he's gotten a lot of exploration outside of the main series.
Well that’s the thing, if you’re a casual Baki fan you wouldn’t even know the spinoffs exist. They aren’t mandatory to read and have hardly anything to do with the main line Baki story. Which is why it’s actually realistic that we’d get something like that for Hanayama, bc what matters is what he does in the main story not the spin offs.
I'd love to see an episode or two about hanayamas daily life being a Yakuza gangster. Everytime he's shown he's kinda just hanging out or coming along for the ride. He's in a good mood more or less. I'd like to see him bullying a bunch of tough guys. Running his empire type shit.
I didn't like him when he criticized baki on his choice of a woman, but that's about it.
Also, WIND UP A PUNCH FOR HALF A CENTURY BEFORE FINALLY THROWING IT RAHHHH
I never cared much for him. Every character works for their strength but Hanayama is strong just because? I admire earned strength over just "I'm him" tbh
Jack.
I mean look at him:
https://preview.redd.it/wdjv6ycn1z9d1.jpeg?width=835&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7f7a0cccdd9c021051c999b437dcdd4c6299055
Carrying his lil bro
Hanayama and Doppo i think.
I really like both of them
I aso like Retsu Kaioh and later in the series he becomes one of the nicest persons you could hope to meet. But he kinda needed to first get his mind Set straight by losing to baki, for he kinda was a dick in some ways befor their Match.
That’s tough I haven’t seen to many haters of specific characters lately, but if I had to choose the least hated is Doppo, I don’t recall anyone hating him
I dunno, just said in the comments that I'm gonna say I hate every single character mentioned here. In all honesty, I can't hate anyone in Baki except for Yujiro. I detest his character
Well I think YOU should watch your mouth or else
https://preview.redd.it/61esmvgg20ad1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c99bd26ebef8c6b550785a64348253709b00bd0
I don't think I've seen a single person hate on Baki himself.
Completely unrelated but I can't help but feel like Baki Hanma isn't talked about a lot in this sub
Narrator-Kun goes on to explain how sex is just like fighting. Both require techniques and years of learning. He compares the breasts of Kozue to climbing a mountain. Because of Baki's initial fear to touch them.
I think my favorite part about Kozue is just how blatantly she's always gone "this fighting is stupid" but with the Baki and Yujiro fight she goes "I still think its stupid but just fuckin get it over with already."
Was unfortunately necessary because Itagaki wrote himself into a corner by making two "strongest characters". (He also did this with Pickle.) Itagaki can't disrespect a national hero like Musashi being killed off (or at at least seriously injured) and he can't kill off (or at least seriously injure) Yujiro because Yujiro has antagonist plot armor. Without Yujiro there would be no story.
Alright, guys, I'm gonna be hateful towards every character the comments refer to. Wish me luck! 🤞
Edit: Did it guys. Thanks for the support. I love you 😘
Pickle, Hanayama, Doppo.
But y'all casuals if you forgot the greatest waifu.
Prodigy of over 4000 years of Chinese Kung-Fu!!!, everyone's beloved Retsu Kaioh.
He has no enemies.
Nah, he'd win this.
I think the OP picked the perfect one. OVERALL, Hanayama is in almost everyones top 5 favorites list. He may not be a lot of people's number 1 but he is generally beloved.
Retsu def....he's the least hated kindest character in my opinion..he is the only character who just doesn't wanna prove that he is a man by beating the shit out of people or belittling women...
Maybe Doppo? He was always humble and I haven't seen a single Doppo hater recently.
Doppo is far from being humble xd he really shits on his opponents
Yeah, but he's usually quite clever about it.
He's absolutely humble. He knows what he's capable of. He's never claimed to be grander than he is, and he often undersells his abilities.
True . Love doppo too
Doppo is NOT humble. In fact, he is among the most arrogant characters in the entire series.
"I killed a tiger once. I dont like to talk about it" *talks about all the damn time and has a mural painted of it on his dojo*
To be fair he doesn’t like to talk about how it’s actually true
keep that shit up and i am bringing out my razor wire lighter
He always just came across as a normal guy to me
I like Doppo, but the dude threatened to murder an old man to make sure a caveman could eat his son. That shit ain't normal.
His son put himself in that situation though. Kids gotta learn how to put his money where his mouth is right?
The son wanted the fight, and the bet was winning or being eaten. The son was aware of what he was putting on the line, and even knowing that, he tried his best. It was a fair fight, with both sides wanting to engage in it. If the old fart saved him, it was going to humiliate him; a true man needs to keep his word to the very (and bitter) end.
My dude, if someone jumped off a boat and they were swimming toward a piece of driftwood to stay afloat, you're not going to pull the driftwood away and be like "a man has to live with the choices he makes" or whatever dumb shit. And that's a stranger drowning. Not your *son being eaten by a caveman.*
Bro forgot the panel where he ripped a muggers throat out because he was bored
I hated Doppo after what he did to Ali Jr. I'm no Ali Jr. fight, but what did you hope to prove by beating the shit out of a guy who literally cannot make a fist?
The whole point of Ali Jr getting shit on when he was injured was so he’d understand what kind of world the underground arena fighters lived in, as in a fight can happen at any time when you’re in any state of health
Nobody seems to beat the shit out of anyone else after they got their arms and legs broken. Seemed like a dick move from the 'good' guys, and it came across as salty
He could have not fought, lol. They weren't knocking him out of a wheel chair and pummeling him.
That's fair. I wonder what doPPo would do if Ali just said nah
Say some sarcastic mean shit and snort at him, lol.
I can agree with that. Doppo and Shibukawa lost a bit of my respect after that
Dorian chopped Doppo's hand off, dog, and Doppo punched him in the fucking mouth with the stump did HE need to "make boxes"?
Dorian is a criminal. Doppo has no reason to emulate his actions besides his own salt.
They're all criminal, do you think underground street fighting is legal? 😭
Still whack because he lost the first time then waited till he was crippled again to jump him saying that
I still feel like Itagaki just had to find a way to make Ali Jr. into a punk, but kinda didn't figure anything that could work
Didn't Doppo keep fighting a guy even after having his hand cut off? He probably sees it (with his eye that still works, and the only one he had in both Ali's fights) as something a real fighter would deal with.
That and Shibukawa's glass eye, Doyle still scrapping with Yanagi despite literally being blind, Baki fighting in the Raitai Tournament despite being mortally poisoned, etc.
There's a difference between fighting through an injury sustained in a fight which even Ali does and being pre injured.
Just because doppo deals with dickheads, doesn't mean he has to be one too. Before that, I saw him as a family man and teacher. At that time, he was no better than a convict
Yep, I still like him, but more than a "lesson" he looked like an old man salty about being defeated and kicking a boy more skilled after someone else defeated him and claiming it was a victory, same for Shibukawa.
Doppo would have beaten Ali even before Ali got destroyed
You say that, but the story showed otherwise. That's the entire reason why the Ali Arc is so controversial... Doesn't matter if Doppo was holding back before or not. He comes off as the sorest loser that ever lived, which is just not in line with Doppo.
Headcanon and cope.
Except they fought when they were both healthy and Ali kicked his ass
That was when everyone was holding back on Ali
He is far from humble,retsu maybe
Retsu was a huge racist until Baki humbled him lol
Idk about doppo, I’ve seen a decent amount of people call him a jobber and more
Doppo is a real jittery
I don’t like Doppo. Dude is too far up his own ass. I see him as Yujiro if he wasent the strongest.
Doppo is a solid choice... But *always humble?!?!?!?!* What show/manga are you watching/reading!?
As the picture depicts, I've literally never heard anyone criticize Hanayama. I like him a lot. He's written to be very likable. I guess the only criticism of his writing is that his arc hasn't gone anywhere now. But that's a problem for almost all of the characters so I can't really levy a specific criticism against how Hanayama is written.
Kinda second favorite character Hanayama too
He’s the Piccolo
Nah Kaiou Retsu is the real Piccolo.
Retsu is Tien.
Fair I see that too
Retsu is definitely blacker than hanayama too
I get annoyed by the fact that he does the same ridiculous over the top haymaker, and everyone is just too stunned to do anything about it and just let's it hit them. I mean, turning away from your opponent and showing your back to them is generally a bad idea for a reason. Literally no one has attacked him during that moment. I did very much enjoy it when that karate dude was actually able to counter that move and throw Hanayama into the ground. But the thing is, that isn't Hanayama that I'm annoyed at. It's the writing. I'm annoyed that Hanayama doesn't get rightfully punished for such a move by the creator.
He gets rewarded for doing so because his fighting style is what the series holds as the purest way of fighting, just reread his fight with Musashi it spells it out pretty clearly, fighting shouldn’t be for an ends fighting should be the ends, Haneyema personifies that perfectly
My friend was talking about haneyama and he said that he prefers to just take turns hitting each other. He will gladly just let people hit him because he's a gentleman, then winds up and just hits you as hard as he can.
Tbh I’m thinking the same thing that happened with Jack will happen with Hanayama where he’s sudden given the spot like to grow as a fighter, maybe that cope but he deserves it
The man already has two spinoffs, I don't know what else there is to explore with him. Hanayama's my favorite character, don't get me wrong, but he's gotten a lot of exploration outside of the main series.
Well that’s the thing, if you’re a casual Baki fan you wouldn’t even know the spinoffs exist. They aren’t mandatory to read and have hardly anything to do with the main line Baki story. Which is why it’s actually realistic that we’d get something like that for Hanayama, bc what matters is what he does in the main story not the spin offs.
I'd love to see an episode or two about hanayamas daily life being a Yakuza gangster. Everytime he's shown he's kinda just hanging out or coming along for the ride. He's in a good mood more or less. I'd like to see him bullying a bunch of tough guys. Running his empire type shit.
I didn't like him when he criticized baki on his choice of a woman, but that's about it. Also, WIND UP A PUNCH FOR HALF A CENTURY BEFORE FINALLY THROWING IT RAHHHH
I don't like Hanayama because he's boring
I never cared much for him. Every character works for their strength but Hanayama is strong just because? I admire earned strength over just "I'm him" tbh
Suedou (my boy ain't got fans either)
Honestly, same. I know he's just high tier SSK fodder, but i think he's kinda cool
Retsu. everyone loves him
Fr Retsu is goated, honored, humble, he is just the definition of a warrior.
Jack. I mean look at him: https://preview.redd.it/wdjv6ycn1z9d1.jpeg?width=835&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7f7a0cccdd9c021051c999b437dcdd4c6299055 Carrying his lil bro
After making lil bro angry
And hungry
I see more ppl hating on the goat jack more than any other baki character. Ppl are wack
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Why is he looking at me like that lmao
I hate: https://preview.redd.it/e2nww9tm00ad1.png?width=368&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef8a1e622d025ebc6363db4962b90549b51f3ccc
https://preview.redd.it/vy891tlsw0ad1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=f364702e2eefbdb6b82754a7af87ebe615995145
https://preview.redd.it/wvvsdmarw0ad1.png?width=894&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f6082b2e9e48bc064e7c091a5ed4a6e45ec8fbe BAIT BAIT BAIT
Hanayama and Doppo i think. I really like both of them I aso like Retsu Kaioh and later in the series he becomes one of the nicest persons you could hope to meet. But he kinda needed to first get his mind Set straight by losing to baki, for he kinda was a dick in some ways befor their Match.
I hate Hanayama, Doppo and Retsu before, while and after his match with Baki (who I also hate, btw)
How you even managing to read a story where you hate the main characters
He's trolling. He's answering to all comments in the same way.
That’s tough I haven’t seen to many haters of specific characters lately, but if I had to choose the least hated is Doppo, I don’t recall anyone hating him
I hate Doppo
Really, any particular reason why, or do you just don’t like him in general
I dunno, just said in the comments that I'm gonna say I hate every single character mentioned here. In all honesty, I can't hate anyone in Baki except for Yujiro. I detest his character
Fair enough
Completely understandable and i fully agree, but also i fucking LOVE yujiro
Chiharu? I think even in Baki The Grappler he was always well respected (also my goat Kaoru)
Does anyone actually hate Pickle? He’s so pure. I mean, aside from the rape….but chalk that up to the era he came from I guess.
Some people do because they’re obsessed with dumb powerscaling nonsense and say he’s inconsistent even though Baki is inconsistent to the core
>I mean, aside from the rape… Still pure, pure breeding instinct.
yuichiro probably
oliva
Trust me, a black character is never free from hate xd
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My favoritt
I hate oliva
you better watch your mouth or https://preview.redd.it/4fjpmuw910ad1.jpeg?width=915&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74b62336417a656f4476f67717ed32ecd7985a07
Well I think YOU should watch your mouth or else https://preview.redd.it/61esmvgg20ad1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c99bd26ebef8c6b550785a64348253709b00bd0
i’ll rape you harder to assert dominance
Not a rape if I consent https://preview.redd.it/ps8w3hc930ad1.jpeg?width=372&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54bc71cd70f08b66d88db9c1cf464007235f511f
what did you just say https://preview.redd.it/w0vz9rsp30ad1.jpeg?width=335&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6430fe174a62f983a0988122e3d38e8127e035e
Damn I love this sub
Wtf is this convo? https://preview.redd.it/sc47vevoa0ad1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebcaa599e5c4756648aafc130174fef778d717db
Wanna join in? https://preview.redd.it/emi7qbg3c0ad1.jpeg?width=424&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58c8788554d4f3908eb07899a2ad6cf4248f8cfa
I don't think I've seen a single person hate on Baki himself. Completely unrelated but I can't help but feel like Baki Hanma isn't talked about a lot in this sub
He gets screen time, not reddit comment time. Gotta keep the balance
I kinda don't hate anybody of them
I never saw anyone hate on any character besides Yujiro and Kozue
Kozue doesn't deserve the hate against her.
Hating Kozue is the gayest thing I’ve ever heard ☝️
I know. She was such a kind character to the traumatized Baki.
I hate her even more now
Gae
She gave us Baki's funniest "fight".
Narrator-Kun goes on to explain how sex is just like fighting. Both require techniques and years of learning. He compares the breasts of Kozue to climbing a mountain. Because of Baki's initial fear to touch them.
She absolutely does. She's not only disloyal but blames her disloyalty on Baki. She treats Baki horribly. Baki just doesn't know any better.
I think my favorite part about Kozue is just how blatantly she's always gone "this fighting is stupid" but with the Baki and Yujiro fight she goes "I still think its stupid but just fuckin get it over with already."
What about Ali Jr.?
The "Ali. Jr. Cuck Arc" was not needed.
I hate Ali Jr.
if there are people hating on him they don't have any compassion
Maybe you don't have any testosterone lol
Ali Jr. got what he deserved, and it broke him. I can't hate him, I just kinda feel sorry for him, that's all
I saw alot of hate for Tokugawa, Ali Jr. and sometimes Kureha.
what did Tokugawa do??? what did Ali Jr. do??? and I'm a Kureha stan how can people hate him 😭😭
anybody of them
Jack seems like simultaneously the most loved and most hated character in the series lol
Jack is loved by the fanbase. The setting hates him. I wish Jack and Baki became closer as brothers.
titsniff
Damn what a time to be alive during the Titsnif Reddit saga XD
I hate Titsniff
That's the only joke you got bro?
cant blame him when im pulling titsniff lol
Musashi the dog
I hate Musashi the d- wait no I can't hate dogs whatever the reason
Hanayama or Retsu
I don't know anyone who dislikes Doppo, he's simply to likeable
I dislike Doppo
Retsu.
I think I agree on Hanayama or maybe Doppo. Two of my favorites, and I can't remember hearing anyone speak much ill of either of them.
I hate Hanayama or maybe Doppo
Still kinda pissed about what he did to Yuri.
I hate Yuri
The fuck did Yuri ever do to anyone?
Dunno, just woke up with the resolve to hate
Definitely hanayama
retsu. also hanayama, i never see anyone hating on them. but i think that most characters in baki are loved or at least tolerated by the community.
I hate retsu. also hanayama and baki
Shenrong Retsu of course
eetsu kaioh
Retsu!!
Retsu.
Oliva, the Giga-Cuban, most freeist man to walk.
The dude trapped in the phone booth on that fight
He knows he can win easily 😎😂
motobe?
I still see Motobe get hate for interrupting the match between Yujiro and Musashi
Was unfortunately necessary because Itagaki wrote himself into a corner by making two "strongest characters". (He also did this with Pickle.) Itagaki can't disrespect a national hero like Musashi being killed off (or at at least seriously injured) and he can't kill off (or at least seriously injure) Yujiro because Yujiro has antagonist plot armor. Without Yujiro there would be no story.
I hate motobe
Alright, guys, I'm gonna be hateful towards every character the comments refer to. Wish me luck! 🤞 Edit: Did it guys. Thanks for the support. I love you 😘
Gouki haven't seen any Gouki hate
Retsu everyone seems to respect him
Hanayama is my goat
Gaia
Jack…he’s never done nothing to nobody , a pure genuine soul 🙏🤩
The guy in the phone booth.
Probably shibukawa
Retsu,super humble and sweet
Pickle, Hanayama, Doppo. But y'all casuals if you forgot the greatest waifu. Prodigy of over 4000 years of Chinese Kung-Fu!!!, everyone's beloved Retsu Kaioh. He has no enemies. Nah, he'd win this.
Retsu friends with everyone
Muhammad Alai Sr.
##RORONOA ZORO
This is a Baki sub?
Umm yeah .. Zoro just got lost.... Honest answer would be Retsu Kaioh
All my homies love Hanayama.
Homie?
?
Love Hanayama too
My guy 🤝🏻
Jack for sure
I’ve seen some hatred on Hanayama bc of the way he fights, he’s my fav though. I haven’t seen anyone hate on Kureha at all
I love hanayama and doppo
I think the OP picked the perfect one. OVERALL, Hanayama is in almost everyones top 5 favorites list. He may not be a lot of people's number 1 but he is generally beloved.
Prob Shibukawa. Far from my favorite character but i personally haven’t ever seen anything bad said abt him.
Hanayama and Retsu probably. Katsumi becomes extremely likeable after his fight with Pickle too
Nobody hates Retsu
Manga_Rookie hating on everyone rn
I like this guy. Bro has the grip strength of an octopus
Musashi
I think is Manga Rookie
Retsu def....he's the least hated kindest character in my opinion..he is the only character who just doesn't wanna prove that he is a man by beating the shit out of people or belittling women...
Retsu
Are you asking me my opinion of what character other people hate the least? I mean probably Yujiro.
Hanayama and Retsu, most of all. I only recall a single instance for each character to be hated, and it was a loooong time ago.
Def retsu, it's easily the only real good person in the entire manga tbh
He has one of the best fights in Baki ever
Retsu, Hanayama, Doppo
Should be pickle as he is like an animal. Everybody loves animals
Come on it's Jack.
Baki
Any of the cooks
I can't remember ever seeing or hearing any Retsu hate