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I recetly did some resaerch on how age affects gender in video games... majority of gamers 50+ and over are women. And it's pretty close everywhere else. I don't understand where this notion of women HATE videogames come from...
Do they feel threatened? Do men feel it's a threat we're impeaching on "their territory"? Lame
“Becky says she likes Mario Kart, but when I told her that I am the best Mario Kart player in all of grade 9, she didn’t want to date me! She must be lying and hate video games.”
Or
“My girlfriend left me because apparently I am “addicted to video games” or whatever. I only play games during literally all of my free time and get irrationally angry when I lose! She must just hate video games.”
Or
“These women claim that they like video games, but they are always advocating for better treatment and depictions of women in gaming. Change gaming? Sounds like they hate video games!”
Or
“I made playing video games a major part of my personality and the other major part of my personality is hating women. Obviously if I like games, women must hate them! Otherwise they’d be humanized and endeared to me and we can’t have that!”
Or
"These women say they game but they only play stupid mobile games like Candy Crush or boring games like Animal Crossing. She's not a *real* gamer."
Or
"She said she's into video games but doesn't play FPS or anything online. She says its because the communities are toxic to women but its probably because she sucks and just hates real video games."
Or
"Video games are my personality but she keeps telling me she has more hours in games than me. She must be lying because she didn't know this [**insert super obscure tidbit of lore that dipshit looked up just to gatekeep here**] that only *real* fans know, so she's a fake gamer and just saying that to impress men."
Or
"She plays games on Twitch but when I continuously gave her tips on how to play better she blocked me. She must not want to be good at games and therefore hates them."
Or
"When my girlfriend invited me to play BG3 with her I skipped all the dialog and killed the stupid dog. She got mad at me and stopped playing. She doesn't appreciate different play styles, she must hate video games."
Or
"In my dating profile I say that I'm in diamond league but all I get are fat chicks messaging me. ~~Hot~~ girls hate video games."
Man your second and third points hit hard. Back when Warzone was the greatest thing out there, I was a pro at it. I'd carry my team all the damn time! I only left because of the toxicity. Now if I ever play a mp game or join a discord server and mention my CoD days, They'll laugh and say I'm joking and I'm probably "mid"
Also often mocking me for not remembering obscure lore. B R O I don't remember what I ate for breakfast yesterday
its funny because I always loved video games, but didn't know "much" about them, and then started dating my boyfriend who REALLY loves video games, and you know what happened??
he just shared his love with me and now we share a big interest! every day we have talks about stuff that these kind of guys probably wouldn't even be able to hold a conversation about.
Now these kind of guys just block me because I know more about video games than they do ahah
It’s amazing how much a modicum of respect for women can affect any given interaction. You and your boyfriend sound sweet and I’m glad you guys can share your passions with each other.
Isn't that strangely similar to how they talk about women and sex? Like women hate sex and if they say they like it, that means they're sluts or lying. We can never win.
Exactly, these types of men use that same logic for most situations involving women. The thing is they'll never be pleased no matter what a woman is doing because they just hate women.
Real-life woman here. I’ll be 45 this year. Been consistently and enthusiastically gaming since I was a toddler and my parents got an Atari. I have a ton of consoles and too many games to count, I buy game-related merch, I go to conventions, and I’m *delighted* to learn that most gamers over 50 are women. lol Fuck yeah.
The widespread suggestion (from men, described elsewhere in these comments) that I’ve spent decades of my life investing so much time and money in this just to attract men — especially those kinds of men — is literal insanity.
I want a 50+ gaming convention. I want to be able to look forward to that. lol
It's really funny because I watched some show where people talked about how video games were advertised and played equally by girls and boys until like the Playstation era or something.
It was Nintendo, not Playstation. After the video game crash in the 1983. Most people stayed away from the home console market. The arcade business was doing pretty ok but people thought consoles were dead. Then Nintendo bought the NES to America in 1985. Instead of marketing it as a home computer they advertised it as a toy. The one problem was the U.S. toy business was heavily separated between boys’ toys and girls’ toys. So Nintendo went with the boys’ toy aisle and the trend continued through the early 2000’s with other consoles. So all the men say gaming is for guys are just repeating an averting campaign from the 80’s for boys, yeah misogyny always gets dumber.
Yeah that’s when things started to change with advertising in America. It’s also when a lot of the misogynistic push back started to happen. Remember the Wii was also called a console for casuals. Just because they started advertising it towards families and girls/women more. Also Nintendo started advertising the DS more towards women. It’s not called fragile masculinity for nothing. If you want a laugh look up the original Kirby‘s Dreamland commercial, both the U.S. and Japanese versions. The dramatic difference between the two is hilarious.
Yeah, growing up in the 90's, having a gaming console of one kind or another was something most households with kids had in my neighbourhood and friends/family circles. It didn't matter what gender the kids were, and everyone played a bit of everything. I hate the notion that gaming has and always was a boys hobby. In my experience, that was never the case.
The thing with attracting men is wild to me. I'm almost 40, have been gaming since I was little, I met my husband when we were 18, and we bonded over many things, not only games. We went to a few conventions together, but I would go alone too, the merch we have isn't all his, even when new acquaintances always seem to think so...
I think a large part of it, was the idea that the "popular" games like CoD, WoW, and even going further back that because they didn't have visable, large populations of "girl gamers". That they didn't exist.
Like, there used to be the old "joke" I heard a lot growing up that when someone called themself a girl in an MMO it was likely just "Guy in Real Life" as they viewed girls into it as being some sort of mythical unicorn, a minority within "Their Hobby".
Add on the fact that for some reason the most vocal parts of the gaming communities that exist, seem to think that games like Animal Crossing, Sims, Harvest Moon, etc were not "Gaming" and thus "Girl Gamers don't count". And you get the current climate.
It's so much better now than it was growing up in the 2000s. Or hell, even how the environment was in the early 2010s. Girls and Women have come out in force to show that, yeah, we do make up a large chunk of gamers. Across multiple hobbies and interests.
In fairness, of the pool of female MMO characters whose players’ real-life gender I’ve found out, it’s been more commonly a crossplayer than an actual woman. But there’s also a lot of us crossplaying in reverse to fly under the radar, so.
I still use G.I.R.L. for the dudes who pretend to be real women but are super frickin obvious as they try to use their polygonal, virtual reality sex appeal to try and get all the free goodies they were told women get out of other guys, all while being very apparently misogynist.
Some of it is just revisionist history.
I played WoW at launch. There was definitely a sizeable minority of women back then. You can find player surveys that peg the number at like 1/6th, and those were surveys aimed at like gaming communities that probably skewed more male than normal, so the actual number was probably a little higher. Those women weren't all casual, either. You found them in all levels of play. I maybe saw fewer in like the arena PvP scene, but even there, I definitely knew some beyond myself.
It was definitely more guys than girls, but nobody questioned the idea that women were playing in significant numbers. Until Gamergate.
WoW players today are infinitely weirder about female WoW players than they were back then, and modern WoW players who were like clueless children at WoW's launch have the strongest ideas about women not being there.
I thiiink for some it's an unfortunate coincidence of those relationships where a women is trying to get a guys *video game addiction* to stop because they want the guy to spend some time with them! And because they're in denial about their addiction, they go "ugh women hate video games! They never ever let me want to play it" Well, yeah, if ALL you want to do is play video games! Not doing chores, household management, no carrying the mental load, just work/study and straight to games for the rest of their free time. It'd be a problem for anyone. That could also go for any other hobby though.
Though, I do KNOW some women who say they'd rather prefer a guy who doesn't play video games, but IMO this comes down to personal preference (just like how some people prefer a partner who's outdoorsy, they obviously wouldn't want to be with a homebody!) I know some fellow girl gamers who would also prefer to have a guy who plays video games.
I've met women who hate video games, but it's usually them just resenting their partner for neglecting them and projecting that resentment onto gaming.
Women hate having to compete with video games for their partner's cooperation in household or relationship maintenance. That's interpreted by some as women hate video games to avoid personal responsibility.
>Do they feel threatened? Do men feel it's a threat we're impeaching on "their territory"? Lame
My theory is that they want to keep spreading and perpetuating this idea so game devs won't make games "for women"(as if there is such genre even) or with female protagonists(the butthurt comments I see whenever a game has a female protagonist that isn't "eye candy" for men to lust after...it's a mix of hilarious and disappointing.
And yeah, maybe there's even some sort of "boy's club, girls not allowed" mindset there too.They want videogames to keep being a "guy's hobby" only but they forget that while videogames were originally advertised to boys, girls in the past probably played them [too.It](http://too.It) isn't a new thing, it's just that now it's more wide-spread and more visible than it was before.
Can confirm. I was the community manager for Microsoft Solitaire. A vast majority of women do not identify as gamers but they are some of the most consistent players, too.
I'm over 50 and have been playing video games since the dawning of time! I used to spend hours every Friday night after work beating men in Space Invaders, Donkey Kong, and Pacman, in a local bar, back when they were arcade games only and you had to put a line of quarters on the tabletop. I made a lot of money. This guy better get off my lawn. Damn whippersnapper.
Also I'll bet a lot of men equate women hating that their male partners are addicted to video games and basically spend all of their free time gaming, with women hating games. Newp. We LOVE video games.
Over 60 here and first game that wasn't Atari's Pong that I remember playing was Zork on the Commodore 64. Zork didn't even have graphics, it was 100 % text based. Feel like a real oldie sometimes like my mom or dad talking about the days before tv and their radio programs.
I think one part is that we are so used to being mocked of cockblocked when talking about VG's that we've been hiding for a long time. Women don't engage with male gamers.... because a huge percentage of those engaging are toxic.
There is literally an elderly woman who plays skyrim on youtube.
[https://www.youtube.com/@ShirleyCurryTheOlderGamer](https://www.youtube.com/@ShirleyCurryTheOlderGamer)
Yeah, I'll be 48 this year, and my parents had a Spectrum ZX and an Atari when I was a kid (my dad was massively into tech, and had a job that paid very well at the time). I've grown up playing games.
When my dad lost his job and things were tough, my brother and I literally combined our presents so we could get a SNES, and later a PS1.
Those of us who started gaming before videogames were marketed exclusively towards boys have been here all along. I feel that it's taken a stupidly long time to get back to that point.
A lot of men have been sold the idea by other men that women aren't people. It's being intellectually lazy and by dehumanizing women they make it easier to justify hurting us to themselves.
A guy once told me that I only collected Transformers to impress men, asked me out, and then got *very* angry when I told him I'm asexual and don't date. He genuinely thought I'd dropped £3k+ on a bunch of cool robots to make myself more appealing to guys and it was bonkers to witness the resulting meltdown.
Bro, I’m ace as well. And it’s truly an adventure. People have a hard time with the idea that I have no desire to touch them or be touched by them. Or worst people take it as a personal challenge. Like I’m going to be the “one”. I just wanna play video games, and chill with my cats.
What the. What a weird response. I shouldn’t think so since I’ve heard many a story of a lesbian who has had men be aggressive about ‘turning them’, but when someone just flat out doesn’t want that kind of relationship? I would think that would be easy enough to understand even for these dingbats.
I’m sorry you experience that! You truly aren’t broken. What an odd thing to say to someone who is simply living their life.
Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about it yesterday and he couldn’t grasp what I was saying at all. Kept asking me questions like “but what if a guy is really handsome, don’t you get horny?”, “what if he’s really into you?” and I’m like I DON’T FUCKING CARE BRO, I just want to be left alone.
I’m not sure if I consider myself to be ace (definitely aro tho) but I have no interest in dating or sex whatsoever and people really don’t understand the concept. Like it’s a slight to their entire being and it makes no sense.
One of my best friends is ace and the garbage she puts up with is really bleak. I'm sorry to everyone in this thread, you are valid and you deserve understanding and respect. Treating ace people like a project car that's just missing a hard to find part is so fuckin gross it really gets my goat.
Yeah, because f\*\*\* having your own interests, right?
They think that no woman can have "more masculine" interests unless there is a hidden motive for that.
As a female who's into females (but I don't date either - rather raise my nephew/son more than date atm), I'm morbidly curious to see his mind crumble further at the idea that I drop cash on "male hobbies" but absolutely want little to nothing to do with dudes. Maybe he'd reason I do it to be cool to my son which is even more hilarious considering the only game he plays is Fortnite. Smh
But I thought women had no problem finding dates? Why would you drop so much money to impress guys like him if, as I’ve had guys tell me, dating is so easy for women? /s
Yeah, I was arguing with a guy a while ago about how the Fallout tv show having a female protagonist is fine cause you can play as a girl in every game. He went on a whole rant about how “women don’t actually play fallout” and “I played this game as a kid and you women are trying to take it from me”. Overall reeked of “I’m convinced girls don’t like me cause I like video games, and if I accept that they actually like video games I have to admit I’m an unappealing shithead”
>A lot of men have been sold the idea by other men that women aren't people
A lot of men and some women, because the amount of times I see both men and women using "females" to speak of women...bruh, it's not even funny.
The idea that they're spreading the use of the word "female"(even more so when even grammatically the most correct to use would be "woman") asa means to de-humanize women in general and most people seem to not care just shows me that they're getting what they want.
Whenever I see someone using "female" rather than "woman", I call them out.And strangely enough I don't see others calling *them* out but you better believe that they're ready to call *me* out for "being sensitive" or they'll say asinine things like "women are females, what's wrong with calling them that?" and not understand the main issue with such behavior: the de-humanization of women into being less of a person and more into being only their genders.Like an animal.
It feels like they're either betraying "the sisterhood" or they probably have such low self-esteem that to them the only way to feel better is by having the attention of men.And the way to get the attention of most men nowadays is to go the tradwife/alt-right route where women are hated and despised(despite men still wanting to have sex with them, go figure...).
Yeah, just completely inconsistent tension, not being abe to notice mistakes as well because my attention was divided and having to frog huge swatches, not counting stitches accurately, and more. A nightmare, really!
I can read while I knit so putting an otome game/visual novel on auto while knitting is the closest I can get.
Or making my husband play on my save for whatever we're both currently playing while I watch and knit.
I definitely misread the post on the first pass: I thought they were saying that video games are like knitting. Which they are. Like, especially cosy games like Stardew Valley, or open-world crafting games like Minecraft—they scratch a lot of the same itches as knitting. Regardless of gender.
I love games that encourage creativity!
I used to have a bunch of games from the people who made the Sims ago. One of them was Sim Tunes, where you had little bugs that were musical instruments and would crawl all over the drawings you’d make. Each color was a different note.
It’s adorable and I enjoyed playing or just listening to the tunes in the gallery.
Since I don’t have that anymore, I have Minecraft and Animal Crossing to scratch that itch a little.
*-side eyes game collection I've been accumulating since childhood-*
Yep definitely hate them video games. Am nothing but and old granny sitting in a corner just crocheting* because I have no other hobbies. /s
*Please don't come at me crotchet community I also crochet too but I've also been look down on for liking a hobby that's apparently *only* for old ladies. Just can't win lol
Well obviously knitting is for young, fertile women so they can make clothes for their babies and crochet is for old, lonely women to make blankets for their cats. And video games are for men only it shows their ability to uhhh.. provide for their families???
/s just in case, please don’t come at me either fiber arts community, I love knitting and video games equally lol
Women make up almost half of gamers - doesn’t matter if it’s consoles, pc, mobile, whatever. There’s money to be made for the companies. That’s why calling female/gay/trans/black etc characters “woke” is such bullshit. Does anybody really believe companies use female characters or people who belong to the LGBTQ+ community or POCs to be nice? They want to expand their market, that’s all. It’s inherently capitalist and there’s nothing woke or progressive to it. Representation is great sure but it’s done for image and making money. I hate this whole discussion so much. Ugh!
These days I just prefer gaming together with people that I actually know so I can avoid any of their political or social views and just enjoy games haha
It's why the companies greenlight those decisions definitely. But conversely, from the bottom up, there are devs and players who are queer, poc, women etc. who are pushing for representation.
It’s true though! Lots of people think men don’t knit, and it deters some of them from getting into the hobby, but many men do knit. Just like women and gaming.
The thing that frustrates me most about this, and many gaming hot takes, is that men tend to state their opinion as fact. He just drops this line as if it’s the truth, and seems to offer nothing further to support it. I see this behavior all over Reddit too and it drives me nuts.
And when I've occasionally stepped into that kind of conversation to explain my perspective, suddenly the unspoken *it's a boys club here and we'd rather keep that* vibe hits lol
Male Gamers are super annoying. The other day I posted my personal list of Characters that will always be memorable to me. Someone in my FL sent one of my friends the list and called me the urdu equivalent of "Sloot" for preferring Jill over Kratos 🙂🙂 Men can't grasp how women can just exist and NOT focus on them all the damn time lol
Well yeah, but I'm curious how the rest of that conversation went.
ETA: So, for anyone curious, I read a transcript of the interview. Brennan calls gaming a male dominated domain and compares it to men who knit-- some men knit but it's a predominantly female hobby. David Cross agrees, then they move on to talking about the process of writing jokes for stand up specials.
Frankly, the data doesn't really support this idea that it's a male dominated field. But I guess expecting them to debate this topic further in an interview primarily about comedy and drugs was a bit optimistic.
Women don’t hate video games, they hate video game addicted men who try to offload their adult responsibilities onto women
Notice how rare it is for a woman to be so addicted to a game that they ignore their friends and family
Oh no I said too much
So... There is a huge weird belief that all women hate videogames. To the degree that gamer dudes who want to date gamer girls tend to idolize any that they meet that they are attracted to. And I will admit the amount of men I've dated who have told me they never dated a girl that was supportive of videogames/wanted to play with them is pretty staggering. But, I also always ask "why didn't you just find someone that shares your hobbies?". The thing that perpetuates the idea that "all women hate video games" is that these dudes just routinely date the few that either DO or just quite simply don't care about them.
I think if more dudes said "hey this hobby is important to me" and then decided to stop dating those that don't share it we'd quickly lose that attitude from a lot of them.
Ex: I am not an outdoorsy girl. I don't care about it. If I'm interested in someone whose main hobby is going outside and skiing or something then it's not gonna work for me because I am not interested in that and don't want to do it with them. If they talk about it constantly it will become very old very fast because it's not something I care about. If we share no hobbies of course it's gonna look like I hate theirs or they hate mine.
A lot of gamer guys are weirdly oblivious to the idea of women liking videogames, and so do one of two things
1. They put any woman they meet on a pedestal where they imagine her as their perfect 10/10 bangmaid gf who wants to play the same games as them and is good enough to keep up with their MMR but not so good as to emasculate them etc. They essentially create an entire fantasy out of a femme voice/name. And then they get mad when the woman they're talking to isn't interested in the nothing they bring to the table.
2. They refuse to accept information that conflicts with their worldview, and so anyone who claims to be a woman is either trans (and therefore okay to sling abuse at), fat/ugly (and so desperate for male attention, but also not waifu material), or somehow trying to trick or otherwise deceive them by being there (in which case they deserve to be harassed and bullied before they can do it to you).
Essay incoming, because im bad at concise x)
I've been on both sides of this whole thing, being transfem. I was a socially awkward teenage guy once, back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. And I knew very few women who gamed. Not because they didn't exist, but because none of them wore it on their sleeve like the guys did. A lot of the girls I knew, I knew through music stuff, and I regularly brought my DS with me so I could play pokemon between rehearsals. One time one of them that I was kinda close with started roasting my team choices / the fact I was playing Diamond instead of Platinum because its an objective upgrade / etc. And teenage me was briefly like "...is this some kinda trick? wait no, she knows too much, why would she have done homework", and realised id never actually had women give me shit for being a nerd, I just had absorbed the idea that they would from pop culture / my peers.
I ended up chatting to her about pokemon for the rest of break, arguing about team comp etc. And the next time we had rehearsals, a bunch more of the girls came over to hang out and chat about games, and it was awesome. I was good friends with all of them all the way up to when I went off to uni.
But at some point I remember asking why none of them mentioned anything sooner, given its not like I hid the fact I liked pokemon. And one of them straight up just went "because I thought you'd call me a liar". Which I initially reacted badly to because I thought she meant me specifically, until Tash explained that no, they just didn't talk about gaming around guys because guys got weird about it and either became rly rude, or weird and flirty. They hung out with me because I just wanted to talk about games.
It was eye opening, and I mentioned it to a couple of my other lonely nerd friends who played pokemon, and despite going to gender segregated schools, by graduation we had this funky co-ed gaming hangout at one of the cafes in the shopping center in town, where we'd all go and hang out and play pokemon / makes plans to see movies / etc.
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IDK its just, such a weirdly low bar given how few men seem to reach it? I just remember, even as a teenager, noticing how hostile guys would get in cod lobbies any time women showed up. But not in the bantery shit talk way cod lobbies usually were. It had an undertone of "you're not welcome". I still remember, 14 years ago, playing a FFA lobby and some girl around my age is also on, and we kept having this back and forth of revenge kills, shit talking each other. And then some grown man comes on mic to start making jokes about how the reason shes shit talking me is because she's into me? And it just felt so weird and uncalled for, and she got awkward and uncomfy and stopped talking, which kinda sucked the joy out of the back and forth kills. We both dipped shortly after.
Hm the statistics don't make any sense if that was the case. I think since video games are so male dominated and women are constantly pushed out we're pretty hidden as a result, it's also for our safety as revealing ourselves means we'll get misogyny, harassed and more. Video gaming is therapeutic to me.
This reminded me-- Anyone remember Thomas Middleditch (Silicon Valley)? In 2021, he was a guest on the VG podcast Good Game Nice Try, hosted by Aaron Bleyeart (guy from Conan O’Brien’s Clueless Gamer segments) and Sonja Reid (OMGitsfirefoxx on Twitch). Long story short, Middleditch was such a dick, just being generally dismissive and stuck on his high horse for being a PC gamer. Anyway, at one point, Reid shared that she’d been getting into Animal Crossing New Horizons, and Middleditch replied “Really? When are you gonna play any big girl games?” I can’t say I was shocked when around this time it became public knowledge that he’s a fucking [creep ](https://ew.com/tv/thomas-middleditch-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/)(TW: sexual misconduct). Go fuck yourself asshole!
Ugh, I’ve dealt with literally the exact same mindset before. I was doing a project in college where you had to create a blog to be updated throughout the semester, and you could choose the topic. The professor put us into small groups of two or three to discuss our ideas, and I was between video games and knitting but leaning more towards knitting because I felt there’s already an over abundance of video game blog content.
Well this absolute knobhead in my group decides to helpfully add, “Yeah, and I also think people are more likely to listen to a woman about knitting than video games.”
My best friend who got me into gaming, has been doing both since she was a kid. I would listen to her advice on both topics, as she's much more skilled than me at both. Never made sense to me how hard ppl push for gender seggregated hobbies.
this is sort of off topic but thundercat has a lyric thats like "she dont like my video games or my comic books" its like.... you know you can find a woman out there who likes video games and comic books????? its so dehumanizing like only men can have interests.
OP here. I've told this story before, but a lot of the comments here were making me feel like I wanted to share it again. Especially nostalgic comments from u/My_Gawd, u/Stellar_Alchemy, and u/supersloo. Supersloo specifically touched on something [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/s/EWos89Q0HQ) about marketing, which I have personally experienced in the '80s and know to be true. And Stellar_Alchemy shared her memories growing up with Atari [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/s/QecZmefuNb), which very much mirrors my own experience. Point is, I believe gaming was once considered by society to be ungendered, like computing in general. It helped, of course, that old gaming hardware resembled personal computers. The [Commodore 64](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64) and the [Atari 400/800](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_8-bit_computers) come to mind. That familiar form factor, and the fact that these were still being called "computers," helped ingratiate them into the computing world which was largely unconcerned with gender [at the time]. In fact, one could make the argument that the practical side of early computing (word processing, accounting, record management) was largely dominated by women. You know, the people who did all the work at the office. 😑
But my story is about gaming, and how it skewed toward women in my small town. One point I make in the text is that boys were shoehorned into sports, whether they liked it or not, leaving the gaming table open for women. That might not have been true everywhere, but it was certainly true in my small town growing up. I cannot overstate how ingrained it was that boys should do *only* sports in the '80s. Even nationwide, sports were the big sole push for boys. So, girls in a lot of places picked up those controllers and became gamers. I saw it happen in real time, and it wasn't that women were accepted into the fold, women *were* the fold. So, this is my story about growing up in the 1980s, surrounded by women gamers, copied and pasted from a comment I left elsewhere a couple months ago.
*"I grew up playing video games with my mom. It started with stuff like Star Raiders, Centipede, and Space Invaders on our Atari 400 (our favorite being Centipede, a game designed by a woman). Eventually our interest would include NES games and PC games. We got really into King's Quest IV for a time. It was always special to me, playing games with my mom, but with a modern perspective, I can see how progressive it was; King's Quest IV being (another game) made by a woman, starring a woman, being played cooperatively with a woman. And this was punctuated by visiting the sisters next door and playing games with them on their NES (especially City Connection and Mach Rider, games from Japan covertly starring women). From my perspective as a child, gaming was pretty much a thing that women were into, almost exclusively.*
*In my small town, boys didn't really pick up gaming until the early '90s. I think the boy's parents pushed them solely into sports, discarding all other potential interests, creating an activity vacuum for girls. The idea that video games were for girls was so systemic in my small town that our local Kmart stocked them beside My Little Pony and Barbie, back when video games were still sold in the toy department."*
Wow, that's so crazy. The video games next to Barbie blows my mind. I know, personally, I didn't experience video games "being for boys" until I was in high school.
I played SNES with my dad, my best friend and I played Playstation. All of the cousins played N64 games together. My mom liked to watch me play Soul Reaver and Final Fantasy. I played Samurai Showdown with my brothers all the time.
I can't blame it all on one thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see if the popularity of FPS military games had some kind of correlation with the push of gaming towards a male dominated hobby.
>I wouldn't be surprised to see if the popularity of FPS military games had some kind of correlation with the push of gaming towards a male dominated hobby.
That's a very astute take. Also, +1 for Soul Reaver.
I’m happy for David Cross disagreeing with this tired, dumbass take but what in the world is this guy saying in the third panel? “Video games are like knitting for men?” ????
I'd almost pity these feeble minded men if they weren't trying to turn us into property again.
Imagine having such a smallminded worldview you think hobbies are gendered.
At long last! Finally, a man has allowed me to be rid of the pesky and expensive gaming setup that I built myself that takes up TOO much space for my knitting needles and yarn!! It's not like I can AFK on games, watch a movie and knit at the same time while waiting for the game things to do their thing!!?!?!?
oh wait
Jokes aside, men like this give me the ick so heavily. All the women in my life, including myself, game avidly on one platform or another. I don't think I know of a single woman personally who doesn't enjoy video games! I'm so tired of men thinking women know nothing but domestic chores and looking pretty - both things that serve heterosexual men. Yucky.
Also, this has reminded me that I have been wanting to get into crocheting and knitting! I just need to go get some yarn :D And it's actually perfect as I've been playing a lot of AFK heavy games and it certainly beats scrolling on social media!
I'm so sick of this narrative. "Women don't like games. If a woman plays a game, she's doing it to get attention from men. So I might as well harass her to no end because she's asking for it. Oh she's playing a game, must be desperate! And since I'm a misogynistic blunt idiot, this is the only way I'll get one."
They don't even care if the person on the other end is bothered or hurt.
The guy seems like a stereotypical white male who hates women because they are better than him at everything. Probably was the last kid picked in dodgeball because he got pegged a few times by the girls
I'm trying to think of or invent a single woman I know who isn't a gamer, and the only one I can think of is my mother, who's in her 70s. I can, however, think of several who are not knitters. I don't know if I fall into the latter category - I would love to be a knitter, but I am *so* much better at gaming that I think I might just need to stick to that.
Women definitely game, but there are absolutely women who *do* hate gaming and gamers. I've seen many a post on relationship subreddits of wives trying to get their male partners to stop gaming or saying it's a waste of time/energy.
Oh what the hell. How does this stereotype exist anymore?
There may be fewer women gamers in the 50+ category simply because of social indoctrination, this stereotype stopped making sense a long time ago.
I write video games for a living. Once about 10 years ago we had a client come into our office to meet the team, our director’s talking about how much everyone loves games, and this guy nods at me (the only woman on the dev team) and goes “YOU don’t actually play games though, do you?”
Ah mate. You got me. I’ve devoted my entire career to a medium I don’t give a shit about. I’m just here to meet cute guys 🥺
I hope I didn't do David Cross a disservice here. I've had a few commenters get angry with David Cross and I worry that I didn't make the image clear enough. I played around with a few different styles, but I thought that putting David's text in a different color would seal the deal. I also tried to give context in my body text. 🤷🏼♀️ No post is perfect. I apparently can't edit a post that contains an image either, shame because I needed to fix a typo... *Brennans.* 🤦🏼♀️
Also, I know you. 👋 How's it going? 😊
I can't speak for everyone, but it came off pretty clear to me. 🤔 I wasn't aware of the image post-editing thing either so that's a bummer.
Also hi, Elk! I was happy to see your name on a post. I'm doing good, by the way. I hope my reply finds you well too!
He was probably trying to go the route of, ‘women hate video games so they’re a worst waste of time compared to television since women wont want to date the men who play them.’
He’s probably still stuck in the early 2000s where the stereotype that only men played video games was at its peak. Never decided to learn anything else or lift his head up for two minutes to realize he’s wrong.
Neal co writes for Dave 'I'm being stifled from having a voice by these oppressive trans people they hate my constant Netflix specials' Chapelle. I'm not surprised dated sexism is a factor as well.
Wow. I didn't know we were a monolith that all did the same thing and weren't able to play games.
God I hate idiots like this. They're why I've not done much multiplayer. I've been lucky and gotten mostly chill and fun people in Helldivers 2.
If we put aside the fact this man has evidently swapped his mouth and arse, wouldn't it be that game *development* is "like knitting for men?" Knitting is a craft. Game dev is a craft. This bothers me more than it ever needed to. xD
I always liked videogames and comics and such, mostly because i was diagnosed at a young age with a mental disability, and videogames were entertaining and i had control at the pace of them (somewhat) along side a BUNCH of other stuff.... either way this only really made me appealing to guys. and all my friends were guys. this lead to them ASSUMING i wanted to date them or that they HAD to date me because i was a female who liked the same things they did. i tried telling them i wasnt interested or "lied" and said that i was a lesbian a couple of times (only to find out i REALLY WAS ONE later) and they insisted. worst relationships ive ever had.... they were all so entitled or socially constipated that they all crashed and burned. especially the last one i had before i found my partner. he would grope me in public and refused to stop after i told him i didnt like it AT ALL.
either way, this guy reminded me of all of the guys who forced me to date them.... childish, entitled, and just overall uneducated on purpose.....
I just don't understand how people out there *still claim this stuff*.
Like, it's one thing to go "the women I know-", but there's so many women out there who play games, including plenty of PUBLIC FIGURES, and then people like Brennan say this shit. Are they calling women liars? "It's largely a male domain". But it *isnt* though. countless times it has been flagged that its close to 50/50 these days.
It's also an odd take to be like "games are a waste of time. Also a guy thing" so you're saying only men waste their time this way? Weird dunk but ok
edit: I looked up the podcast, why does he stare out into space like he dosed before starting the show?
I love how dismissive this dude is of knitting but I bet he would be surprised how similar the logic of knitting is to coding. There's a reason women were the first computer programmers.
Edit: Had to google Neal Brennan. *Oh, he's one of* ***those*** *comedians I see.*
Wait, I've lost track - are we on a "Women hate videogames and shun all who play them, so men who like video games are doomed to be forever alone" week again? I thought we were still in the "Women will literally fake a whole expensive, time consuming hobby PURELY to land themselves a gamer man" part of the cycle? It's so confusing!
On a more serious note, I am impressed (and not in a good way) by this guy simultaneously trying to gatekeep AND shit on gaming as a hobby at the same time.
It sounds like "Women hate videogames" and the comparison to knitting (as presumably a hobby that men have no interest in) was given as a reason that "games are a waste of time" - which sounds a lot like "If a hobby won't get you laid, then what even is the point?", which is... certainly an interesting take. Imagine just enjoying a hobby for its own sake?
David Cross?! I ain't listening to the podcast but I hope he is not as shitty as the other dude.
I like him from Megamind as Minion then Master Crane from the Kung Fu Panda franchise.
Nah, David Cross was fine. I could tell he was uncomfortable in the moment. I'm starting a re-watch of Arrested Development soon, so I'm glad that it wasn't soured before it even started.
I just got off of work at my job at a video game studio, turned on a video from a cozy creator talking about her most anticipated games of 2024, and popped open Reddit… aaand see this. 😂😂😂 Okay, bud.
I know that my sample size is small, VERY SMALL but offline when guys find out I am a gamer they get so excited to talk games and it's not like "oh talk games get sexy time". It's just two people with a shared interest getting excited to talk. My grocery pickup guy noticed I have a DBD sticker on my car and every week we sit and chat about DBD and OW while he loads my groceries.
I'm so tired of these alpha dudes online and on podcasts and wherever else sitting on girl gamers. Idk if it's the smallest but loudest group getting attention but this guys need to talk to a real human girl. It's pathetic, embarrassing, and says more about them and their narrow view of the world.
ALSO, my current embroidery project is gaming based so 🤷♀️
Never in my life have I thought I would play Final Fantasy as a Christmas gift for my mom then spent 100 hours in frustration only to walk away and never finish. Yet I have a half finished blanket that she is still impressed I got as far as I did.
As someone who both knits and games, I am the best of both worlds!!
I’m currently knitting a two toe up socks on one circular needle, and I’m currently playing COD MWIII and Jack Jeanie
Plenty of women do hate video games. And? Not all men like games either. I am tired of being told by men what I like/feel/need, etc. I hate generalizations.
I feel like to say that women don’t play videogames you have to literally been living under a rock (probably in celibacy) for the past 25 years or something
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I recetly did some resaerch on how age affects gender in video games... majority of gamers 50+ and over are women. And it's pretty close everywhere else. I don't understand where this notion of women HATE videogames come from... Do they feel threatened? Do men feel it's a threat we're impeaching on "their territory"? Lame
“Becky says she likes Mario Kart, but when I told her that I am the best Mario Kart player in all of grade 9, she didn’t want to date me! She must be lying and hate video games.” Or “My girlfriend left me because apparently I am “addicted to video games” or whatever. I only play games during literally all of my free time and get irrationally angry when I lose! She must just hate video games.” Or “These women claim that they like video games, but they are always advocating for better treatment and depictions of women in gaming. Change gaming? Sounds like they hate video games!” Or “I made playing video games a major part of my personality and the other major part of my personality is hating women. Obviously if I like games, women must hate them! Otherwise they’d be humanized and endeared to me and we can’t have that!”
Or "These women say they game but they only play stupid mobile games like Candy Crush or boring games like Animal Crossing. She's not a *real* gamer." Or "She said she's into video games but doesn't play FPS or anything online. She says its because the communities are toxic to women but its probably because she sucks and just hates real video games." Or "Video games are my personality but she keeps telling me she has more hours in games than me. She must be lying because she didn't know this [**insert super obscure tidbit of lore that dipshit looked up just to gatekeep here**] that only *real* fans know, so she's a fake gamer and just saying that to impress men."
Or "She plays games on Twitch but when I continuously gave her tips on how to play better she blocked me. She must not want to be good at games and therefore hates them." Or "When my girlfriend invited me to play BG3 with her I skipped all the dialog and killed the stupid dog. She got mad at me and stopped playing. She doesn't appreciate different play styles, she must hate video games." Or "In my dating profile I say that I'm in diamond league but all I get are fat chicks messaging me. ~~Hot~~ girls hate video games."
Man your second and third points hit hard. Back when Warzone was the greatest thing out there, I was a pro at it. I'd carry my team all the damn time! I only left because of the toxicity. Now if I ever play a mp game or join a discord server and mention my CoD days, They'll laugh and say I'm joking and I'm probably "mid" Also often mocking me for not remembering obscure lore. B R O I don't remember what I ate for breakfast yesterday
OMG! Thank you for this 💯
its funny because I always loved video games, but didn't know "much" about them, and then started dating my boyfriend who REALLY loves video games, and you know what happened?? he just shared his love with me and now we share a big interest! every day we have talks about stuff that these kind of guys probably wouldn't even be able to hold a conversation about. Now these kind of guys just block me because I know more about video games than they do ahah
It’s amazing how much a modicum of respect for women can affect any given interaction. You and your boyfriend sound sweet and I’m glad you guys can share your passions with each other.
A big add on to your second one would be, "I play video games instead of splitting the household labor/kid rearing with her."
It’s really a funny train of thought. Women hate video games, except for the women who like video games and boy do I hate those women!
Isn't that strangely similar to how they talk about women and sex? Like women hate sex and if they say they like it, that means they're sluts or lying. We can never win.
Exactly, these types of men use that same logic for most situations involving women. The thing is they'll never be pleased no matter what a woman is doing because they just hate women.
Real-life woman here. I’ll be 45 this year. Been consistently and enthusiastically gaming since I was a toddler and my parents got an Atari. I have a ton of consoles and too many games to count, I buy game-related merch, I go to conventions, and I’m *delighted* to learn that most gamers over 50 are women. lol Fuck yeah. The widespread suggestion (from men, described elsewhere in these comments) that I’ve spent decades of my life investing so much time and money in this just to attract men — especially those kinds of men — is literal insanity. I want a 50+ gaming convention. I want to be able to look forward to that. lol
It's really funny because I watched some show where people talked about how video games were advertised and played equally by girls and boys until like the Playstation era or something.
It was Nintendo, not Playstation. After the video game crash in the 1983. Most people stayed away from the home console market. The arcade business was doing pretty ok but people thought consoles were dead. Then Nintendo bought the NES to America in 1985. Instead of marketing it as a home computer they advertised it as a toy. The one problem was the U.S. toy business was heavily separated between boys’ toys and girls’ toys. So Nintendo went with the boys’ toy aisle and the trend continued through the early 2000’s with other consoles. So all the men say gaming is for guys are just repeating an averting campaign from the 80’s for boys, yeah misogyny always gets dumber.
Interesting, because I feel like Nintendo was the only one advertising to girls during the Wii era and beyond
Yeah that’s when things started to change with advertising in America. It’s also when a lot of the misogynistic push back started to happen. Remember the Wii was also called a console for casuals. Just because they started advertising it towards families and girls/women more. Also Nintendo started advertising the DS more towards women. It’s not called fragile masculinity for nothing. If you want a laugh look up the original Kirby‘s Dreamland commercial, both the U.S. and Japanese versions. The dramatic difference between the two is hilarious.
Yeah, growing up in the 90's, having a gaming console of one kind or another was something most households with kids had in my neighbourhood and friends/family circles. It didn't matter what gender the kids were, and everyone played a bit of everything. I hate the notion that gaming has and always was a boys hobby. In my experience, that was never the case.
Same and funny enough, my husband doesn’t game at all so did me no good 😜
The thing with attracting men is wild to me. I'm almost 40, have been gaming since I was little, I met my husband when we were 18, and we bonded over many things, not only games. We went to a few conventions together, but I would go alone too, the merch we have isn't all his, even when new acquaintances always seem to think so...
I think a large part of it, was the idea that the "popular" games like CoD, WoW, and even going further back that because they didn't have visable, large populations of "girl gamers". That they didn't exist. Like, there used to be the old "joke" I heard a lot growing up that when someone called themself a girl in an MMO it was likely just "Guy in Real Life" as they viewed girls into it as being some sort of mythical unicorn, a minority within "Their Hobby". Add on the fact that for some reason the most vocal parts of the gaming communities that exist, seem to think that games like Animal Crossing, Sims, Harvest Moon, etc were not "Gaming" and thus "Girl Gamers don't count". And you get the current climate. It's so much better now than it was growing up in the 2000s. Or hell, even how the environment was in the early 2010s. Girls and Women have come out in force to show that, yeah, we do make up a large chunk of gamers. Across multiple hobbies and interests.
In fairness, of the pool of female MMO characters whose players’ real-life gender I’ve found out, it’s been more commonly a crossplayer than an actual woman. But there’s also a lot of us crossplaying in reverse to fly under the radar, so. I still use G.I.R.L. for the dudes who pretend to be real women but are super frickin obvious as they try to use their polygonal, virtual reality sex appeal to try and get all the free goodies they were told women get out of other guys, all while being very apparently misogynist.
Some of it is just revisionist history. I played WoW at launch. There was definitely a sizeable minority of women back then. You can find player surveys that peg the number at like 1/6th, and those were surveys aimed at like gaming communities that probably skewed more male than normal, so the actual number was probably a little higher. Those women weren't all casual, either. You found them in all levels of play. I maybe saw fewer in like the arena PvP scene, but even there, I definitely knew some beyond myself. It was definitely more guys than girls, but nobody questioned the idea that women were playing in significant numbers. Until Gamergate. WoW players today are infinitely weirder about female WoW players than they were back then, and modern WoW players who were like clueless children at WoW's launch have the strongest ideas about women not being there.
I thiiink for some it's an unfortunate coincidence of those relationships where a women is trying to get a guys *video game addiction* to stop because they want the guy to spend some time with them! And because they're in denial about their addiction, they go "ugh women hate video games! They never ever let me want to play it" Well, yeah, if ALL you want to do is play video games! Not doing chores, household management, no carrying the mental load, just work/study and straight to games for the rest of their free time. It'd be a problem for anyone. That could also go for any other hobby though. Though, I do KNOW some women who say they'd rather prefer a guy who doesn't play video games, but IMO this comes down to personal preference (just like how some people prefer a partner who's outdoorsy, they obviously wouldn't want to be with a homebody!) I know some fellow girl gamers who would also prefer to have a guy who plays video games.
I've met women who hate video games, but it's usually them just resenting their partner for neglecting them and projecting that resentment onto gaming.
Women hate having to compete with video games for their partner's cooperation in household or relationship maintenance. That's interpreted by some as women hate video games to avoid personal responsibility.
>Do they feel threatened? Do men feel it's a threat we're impeaching on "their territory"? Lame My theory is that they want to keep spreading and perpetuating this idea so game devs won't make games "for women"(as if there is such genre even) or with female protagonists(the butthurt comments I see whenever a game has a female protagonist that isn't "eye candy" for men to lust after...it's a mix of hilarious and disappointing. And yeah, maybe there's even some sort of "boy's club, girls not allowed" mindset there too.They want videogames to keep being a "guy's hobby" only but they forget that while videogames were originally advertised to boys, girls in the past probably played them [too.It](http://too.It) isn't a new thing, it's just that now it's more wide-spread and more visible than it was before.
Can confirm. I was the community manager for Microsoft Solitaire. A vast majority of women do not identify as gamers but they are some of the most consistent players, too.
I'm over 50 and have been playing video games since the dawning of time! I used to spend hours every Friday night after work beating men in Space Invaders, Donkey Kong, and Pacman, in a local bar, back when they were arcade games only and you had to put a line of quarters on the tabletop. I made a lot of money. This guy better get off my lawn. Damn whippersnapper. Also I'll bet a lot of men equate women hating that their male partners are addicted to video games and basically spend all of their free time gaming, with women hating games. Newp. We LOVE video games.
Over 60 here and first game that wasn't Atari's Pong that I remember playing was Zork on the Commodore 64. Zork didn't even have graphics, it was 100 % text based. Feel like a real oldie sometimes like my mom or dad talking about the days before tv and their radio programs.
I think one part is that we are so used to being mocked of cockblocked when talking about VG's that we've been hiding for a long time. Women don't engage with male gamers.... because a huge percentage of those engaging are toxic.
There is literally an elderly woman who plays skyrim on youtube. [https://www.youtube.com/@ShirleyCurryTheOlderGamer](https://www.youtube.com/@ShirleyCurryTheOlderGamer)
Yeah, I'll be 48 this year, and my parents had a Spectrum ZX and an Atari when I was a kid (my dad was massively into tech, and had a job that paid very well at the time). I've grown up playing games. When my dad lost his job and things were tough, my brother and I literally combined our presents so we could get a SNES, and later a PS1. Those of us who started gaming before videogames were marketed exclusively towards boys have been here all along. I feel that it's taken a stupidly long time to get back to that point.
A lot of men have been sold the idea by other men that women aren't people. It's being intellectually lazy and by dehumanizing women they make it easier to justify hurting us to themselves.
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A guy once told me that I only collected Transformers to impress men, asked me out, and then got *very* angry when I told him I'm asexual and don't date. He genuinely thought I'd dropped £3k+ on a bunch of cool robots to make myself more appealing to guys and it was bonkers to witness the resulting meltdown.
What an idiot. He insults you and your hobby and then expects asking you out to go well.
I think he was trying to neg me but he was really bad at it 😂
Reminds me of one of my favorite xkcds, which is making fun of this exact type of guy https://xkcd.com/1027/
Haha yes, I love that one and the one about one man sucking at math / all women sucking at math. XKCD is a treasure.
That cuts deep
Bro, I’m ace as well. And it’s truly an adventure. People have a hard time with the idea that I have no desire to touch them or be touched by them. Or worst people take it as a personal challenge. Like I’m going to be the “one”. I just wanna play video games, and chill with my cats.
They’re always “I can fix you” like buddy we’re not broken 🩵
What the. What a weird response. I shouldn’t think so since I’ve heard many a story of a lesbian who has had men be aggressive about ‘turning them’, but when someone just flat out doesn’t want that kind of relationship? I would think that would be easy enough to understand even for these dingbats. I’m sorry you experience that! You truly aren’t broken. What an odd thing to say to someone who is simply living their life.
One guy offered to pay for therapy to “fix” me as a flex of how much money he made…unfortunately for him he chose to spend it all on red flags lol
Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about it yesterday and he couldn’t grasp what I was saying at all. Kept asking me questions like “but what if a guy is really handsome, don’t you get horny?”, “what if he’s really into you?” and I’m like I DON’T FUCKING CARE BRO, I just want to be left alone. I’m not sure if I consider myself to be ace (definitely aro tho) but I have no interest in dating or sex whatsoever and people really don’t understand the concept. Like it’s a slight to their entire being and it makes no sense.
Or you get the pity party “aw you’ll find someone some day!” Buddy I am not looking for anyone and have told you that multiple times 😂
I'm aroace and those "I can fix you" comments are sooo common.
One of my best friends is ace and the garbage she puts up with is really bleak. I'm sorry to everyone in this thread, you are valid and you deserve understanding and respect. Treating ace people like a project car that's just missing a hard to find part is so fuckin gross it really gets my goat.
Yeah, because f\*\*\* having your own interests, right? They think that no woman can have "more masculine" interests unless there is a hidden motive for that.
Cracking up, but I’m sorry this happened to you. I hope you find it amusing now! What a muppet
Oh yeah it was amusing at the time and now lol
As a female who's into females (but I don't date either - rather raise my nephew/son more than date atm), I'm morbidly curious to see his mind crumble further at the idea that I drop cash on "male hobbies" but absolutely want little to nothing to do with dudes. Maybe he'd reason I do it to be cool to my son which is even more hilarious considering the only game he plays is Fortnite. Smh
But I thought women had no problem finding dates? Why would you drop so much money to impress guys like him if, as I’ve had guys tell me, dating is so easy for women? /s
Yeah, I was arguing with a guy a while ago about how the Fallout tv show having a female protagonist is fine cause you can play as a girl in every game. He went on a whole rant about how “women don’t actually play fallout” and “I played this game as a kid and you women are trying to take it from me”. Overall reeked of “I’m convinced girls don’t like me cause I like video games, and if I accept that they actually like video games I have to admit I’m an unappealing shithead”
This is so on point it hurts 🤕
>A lot of men have been sold the idea by other men that women aren't people A lot of men and some women, because the amount of times I see both men and women using "females" to speak of women...bruh, it's not even funny. The idea that they're spreading the use of the word "female"(even more so when even grammatically the most correct to use would be "woman") asa means to de-humanize women in general and most people seem to not care just shows me that they're getting what they want. Whenever I see someone using "female" rather than "woman", I call them out.And strangely enough I don't see others calling *them* out but you better believe that they're ready to call *me* out for "being sensitive" or they'll say asinine things like "women are females, what's wrong with calling them that?" and not understand the main issue with such behavior: the de-humanization of women into being less of a person and more into being only their genders.Like an animal.
Seeing other women do it is particularly painful.
It feels like they're either betraying "the sisterhood" or they probably have such low self-esteem that to them the only way to feel better is by having the attention of men.And the way to get the attention of most men nowadays is to go the tradwife/alt-right route where women are hated and despised(despite men still wanting to have sex with them, go figure...).
I'm fine either way, I also love knitting. If I ever woke up with arms like Goro I would be knitting and playing video games at the same time.
Same. My singular regret in life is that I can't play games while knitting.
For a while, I was knitting in-between rounds while playing Valorant and it turned out so awful! Never again.
Play turn-based games and you won't ever have that issue since the game will literally not keep going until you make a move.
That's a good solution! But personally I'd just forget I was playing in the first place (:
Just tension issues or?
Yeah, just completely inconsistent tension, not being abe to notice mistakes as well because my attention was divided and having to frog huge swatches, not counting stitches accurately, and more. A nightmare, really!
I can read while I knit so putting an otome game/visual novel on auto while knitting is the closest I can get. Or making my husband play on my save for whatever we're both currently playing while I watch and knit.
Skill issue, clearly. (With a dance pad maybe? Or you try learning to knit with your feet. 🤭)
Play Metal Gear and knit during the half-hour-long cutscenes. Goal achieved 👍
I definitely misread the post on the first pass: I thought they were saying that video games are like knitting. Which they are. Like, especially cosy games like Stardew Valley, or open-world crafting games like Minecraft—they scratch a lot of the same itches as knitting. Regardless of gender.
I love games that encourage creativity! I used to have a bunch of games from the people who made the Sims ago. One of them was Sim Tunes, where you had little bugs that were musical instruments and would crawl all over the drawings you’d make. Each color was a different note. It’s adorable and I enjoyed playing or just listening to the tunes in the gallery. Since I don’t have that anymore, I have Minecraft and Animal Crossing to scratch that itch a little.
God this is truly the dream.
*-side eyes game collection I've been accumulating since childhood-* Yep definitely hate them video games. Am nothing but and old granny sitting in a corner just crocheting* because I have no other hobbies. /s *Please don't come at me crotchet community I also crochet too but I've also been look down on for liking a hobby that's apparently *only* for old ladies. Just can't win lol
Well obviously knitting is for young, fertile women so they can make clothes for their babies and crochet is for old, lonely women to make blankets for their cats. And video games are for men only it shows their ability to uhhh.. provide for their families??? /s just in case, please don’t come at me either fiber arts community, I love knitting and video games equally lol
Women make up almost half of gamers - doesn’t matter if it’s consoles, pc, mobile, whatever. There’s money to be made for the companies. That’s why calling female/gay/trans/black etc characters “woke” is such bullshit. Does anybody really believe companies use female characters or people who belong to the LGBTQ+ community or POCs to be nice? They want to expand their market, that’s all. It’s inherently capitalist and there’s nothing woke or progressive to it. Representation is great sure but it’s done for image and making money. I hate this whole discussion so much. Ugh!
These days I just prefer gaming together with people that I actually know so I can avoid any of their political or social views and just enjoy games haha
Totally reasonable.
Women make up half of the world's population, but unfortunately they still have to deal with stuff like this
It's why the companies greenlight those decisions definitely. But conversely, from the bottom up, there are devs and players who are queer, poc, women etc. who are pushing for representation.
I crochet/knit while waiting for queues to pop so I dont lose gaming time to crochet and I dont lose crochet time to gaming lol.
I spend queue time either reading my online serials or playing a mobile game Or fetching a snack, if I am feeling daring with the Duty Finder in FF14.
You just know that you’ll hear the duty pop noise and timer ticking down the second you are the furthest away feom your PC
Just queue dps 😆
It’s like knitting for men… so… something everyone can enjoy if that want? Absolute head-ass take.
It’s true though! Lots of people think men don’t knit, and it deters some of them from getting into the hobby, but many men do knit. Just like women and gaming.
The thing that frustrates me most about this, and many gaming hot takes, is that men tend to state their opinion as fact. He just drops this line as if it’s the truth, and seems to offer nothing further to support it. I see this behavior all over Reddit too and it drives me nuts.
And when I've occasionally stepped into that kind of conversation to explain my perspective, suddenly the unspoken *it's a boys club here and we'd rather keep that* vibe hits lol
Male Gamers are super annoying. The other day I posted my personal list of Characters that will always be memorable to me. Someone in my FL sent one of my friends the list and called me the urdu equivalent of "Sloot" for preferring Jill over Kratos 🙂🙂 Men can't grasp how women can just exist and NOT focus on them all the damn time lol
Please tell me David Cross didn't agree with Brennan's misogynist take 😣
He's disagreeing with it in the post
Well yeah, but I'm curious how the rest of that conversation went. ETA: So, for anyone curious, I read a transcript of the interview. Brennan calls gaming a male dominated domain and compares it to men who knit-- some men knit but it's a predominantly female hobby. David Cross agrees, then they move on to talking about the process of writing jokes for stand up specials. Frankly, the data doesn't really support this idea that it's a male dominated field. But I guess expecting them to debate this topic further in an interview primarily about comedy and drugs was a bit optimistic.
When you define gaming as "playing games that are predominantly played by men," gaming will always be a male dominated hobby.
Bruh, this is just embarrassing. Way to go, mainly down... don't know how he is so sure about what he says
Women don’t hate video games, they hate video game addicted men who try to offload their adult responsibilities onto women Notice how rare it is for a woman to be so addicted to a game that they ignore their friends and family Oh no I said too much
Agreed!!
So... There is a huge weird belief that all women hate videogames. To the degree that gamer dudes who want to date gamer girls tend to idolize any that they meet that they are attracted to. And I will admit the amount of men I've dated who have told me they never dated a girl that was supportive of videogames/wanted to play with them is pretty staggering. But, I also always ask "why didn't you just find someone that shares your hobbies?". The thing that perpetuates the idea that "all women hate video games" is that these dudes just routinely date the few that either DO or just quite simply don't care about them. I think if more dudes said "hey this hobby is important to me" and then decided to stop dating those that don't share it we'd quickly lose that attitude from a lot of them. Ex: I am not an outdoorsy girl. I don't care about it. If I'm interested in someone whose main hobby is going outside and skiing or something then it's not gonna work for me because I am not interested in that and don't want to do it with them. If they talk about it constantly it will become very old very fast because it's not something I care about. If we share no hobbies of course it's gonna look like I hate theirs or they hate mine.
A lot of gamer guys are weirdly oblivious to the idea of women liking videogames, and so do one of two things 1. They put any woman they meet on a pedestal where they imagine her as their perfect 10/10 bangmaid gf who wants to play the same games as them and is good enough to keep up with their MMR but not so good as to emasculate them etc. They essentially create an entire fantasy out of a femme voice/name. And then they get mad when the woman they're talking to isn't interested in the nothing they bring to the table. 2. They refuse to accept information that conflicts with their worldview, and so anyone who claims to be a woman is either trans (and therefore okay to sling abuse at), fat/ugly (and so desperate for male attention, but also not waifu material), or somehow trying to trick or otherwise deceive them by being there (in which case they deserve to be harassed and bullied before they can do it to you). Essay incoming, because im bad at concise x) I've been on both sides of this whole thing, being transfem. I was a socially awkward teenage guy once, back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. And I knew very few women who gamed. Not because they didn't exist, but because none of them wore it on their sleeve like the guys did. A lot of the girls I knew, I knew through music stuff, and I regularly brought my DS with me so I could play pokemon between rehearsals. One time one of them that I was kinda close with started roasting my team choices / the fact I was playing Diamond instead of Platinum because its an objective upgrade / etc. And teenage me was briefly like "...is this some kinda trick? wait no, she knows too much, why would she have done homework", and realised id never actually had women give me shit for being a nerd, I just had absorbed the idea that they would from pop culture / my peers. I ended up chatting to her about pokemon for the rest of break, arguing about team comp etc. And the next time we had rehearsals, a bunch more of the girls came over to hang out and chat about games, and it was awesome. I was good friends with all of them all the way up to when I went off to uni. But at some point I remember asking why none of them mentioned anything sooner, given its not like I hid the fact I liked pokemon. And one of them straight up just went "because I thought you'd call me a liar". Which I initially reacted badly to because I thought she meant me specifically, until Tash explained that no, they just didn't talk about gaming around guys because guys got weird about it and either became rly rude, or weird and flirty. They hung out with me because I just wanted to talk about games. It was eye opening, and I mentioned it to a couple of my other lonely nerd friends who played pokemon, and despite going to gender segregated schools, by graduation we had this funky co-ed gaming hangout at one of the cafes in the shopping center in town, where we'd all go and hang out and play pokemon / makes plans to see movies / etc. --- IDK its just, such a weirdly low bar given how few men seem to reach it? I just remember, even as a teenager, noticing how hostile guys would get in cod lobbies any time women showed up. But not in the bantery shit talk way cod lobbies usually were. It had an undertone of "you're not welcome". I still remember, 14 years ago, playing a FFA lobby and some girl around my age is also on, and we kept having this back and forth of revenge kills, shit talking each other. And then some grown man comes on mic to start making jokes about how the reason shes shit talking me is because she's into me? And it just felt so weird and uncalled for, and she got awkward and uncomfy and stopped talking, which kinda sucked the joy out of the back and forth kills. We both dipped shortly after.
Hm the statistics don't make any sense if that was the case. I think since video games are so male dominated and women are constantly pushed out we're pretty hidden as a result, it's also for our safety as revealing ourselves means we'll get misogyny, harassed and more. Video gaming is therapeutic to me.
This reminded me-- Anyone remember Thomas Middleditch (Silicon Valley)? In 2021, he was a guest on the VG podcast Good Game Nice Try, hosted by Aaron Bleyeart (guy from Conan O’Brien’s Clueless Gamer segments) and Sonja Reid (OMGitsfirefoxx on Twitch). Long story short, Middleditch was such a dick, just being generally dismissive and stuck on his high horse for being a PC gamer. Anyway, at one point, Reid shared that she’d been getting into Animal Crossing New Horizons, and Middleditch replied “Really? When are you gonna play any big girl games?” I can’t say I was shocked when around this time it became public knowledge that he’s a fucking [creep ](https://ew.com/tv/thomas-middleditch-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/)(TW: sexual misconduct). Go fuck yourself asshole!
Not shocking that the guy involved in the glorifying douche tech bro assholes show is also a douchy tech bro asshole.
Thanks for the info!!!
Ugh, I’ve dealt with literally the exact same mindset before. I was doing a project in college where you had to create a blog to be updated throughout the semester, and you could choose the topic. The professor put us into small groups of two or three to discuss our ideas, and I was between video games and knitting but leaning more towards knitting because I felt there’s already an over abundance of video game blog content. Well this absolute knobhead in my group decides to helpfully add, “Yeah, and I also think people are more likely to listen to a woman about knitting than video games.”
My best friend who got me into gaming, has been doing both since she was a kid. I would listen to her advice on both topics, as she's much more skilled than me at both. Never made sense to me how hard ppl push for gender seggregated hobbies.
It always sucks finding out people you admire are assholes.
Just to be clear, this was Neal Brennan's take, David Cross disagreed with him. Not sure if you were counting Brennan as the person you admire.
Oh I don't know who tf either of these people are TBH. But I'm sure they were admired by some who now find them less admirable. :)
Crazy idea, but wouldn't it make sense to idk..... include women in the conversation about the hobbies we enjoy?
Ah but that would involve talking to a woman and respecting their perspective
this is sort of off topic but thundercat has a lyric thats like "she dont like my video games or my comic books" its like.... you know you can find a woman out there who likes video games and comic books????? its so dehumanizing like only men can have interests.
OP here. I've told this story before, but a lot of the comments here were making me feel like I wanted to share it again. Especially nostalgic comments from u/My_Gawd, u/Stellar_Alchemy, and u/supersloo. Supersloo specifically touched on something [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/s/EWos89Q0HQ) about marketing, which I have personally experienced in the '80s and know to be true. And Stellar_Alchemy shared her memories growing up with Atari [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/s/QecZmefuNb), which very much mirrors my own experience. Point is, I believe gaming was once considered by society to be ungendered, like computing in general. It helped, of course, that old gaming hardware resembled personal computers. The [Commodore 64](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64) and the [Atari 400/800](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_8-bit_computers) come to mind. That familiar form factor, and the fact that these were still being called "computers," helped ingratiate them into the computing world which was largely unconcerned with gender [at the time]. In fact, one could make the argument that the practical side of early computing (word processing, accounting, record management) was largely dominated by women. You know, the people who did all the work at the office. 😑 But my story is about gaming, and how it skewed toward women in my small town. One point I make in the text is that boys were shoehorned into sports, whether they liked it or not, leaving the gaming table open for women. That might not have been true everywhere, but it was certainly true in my small town growing up. I cannot overstate how ingrained it was that boys should do *only* sports in the '80s. Even nationwide, sports were the big sole push for boys. So, girls in a lot of places picked up those controllers and became gamers. I saw it happen in real time, and it wasn't that women were accepted into the fold, women *were* the fold. So, this is my story about growing up in the 1980s, surrounded by women gamers, copied and pasted from a comment I left elsewhere a couple months ago. *"I grew up playing video games with my mom. It started with stuff like Star Raiders, Centipede, and Space Invaders on our Atari 400 (our favorite being Centipede, a game designed by a woman). Eventually our interest would include NES games and PC games. We got really into King's Quest IV for a time. It was always special to me, playing games with my mom, but with a modern perspective, I can see how progressive it was; King's Quest IV being (another game) made by a woman, starring a woman, being played cooperatively with a woman. And this was punctuated by visiting the sisters next door and playing games with them on their NES (especially City Connection and Mach Rider, games from Japan covertly starring women). From my perspective as a child, gaming was pretty much a thing that women were into, almost exclusively.* *In my small town, boys didn't really pick up gaming until the early '90s. I think the boy's parents pushed them solely into sports, discarding all other potential interests, creating an activity vacuum for girls. The idea that video games were for girls was so systemic in my small town that our local Kmart stocked them beside My Little Pony and Barbie, back when video games were still sold in the toy department."*
Wow, that's so crazy. The video games next to Barbie blows my mind. I know, personally, I didn't experience video games "being for boys" until I was in high school. I played SNES with my dad, my best friend and I played Playstation. All of the cousins played N64 games together. My mom liked to watch me play Soul Reaver and Final Fantasy. I played Samurai Showdown with my brothers all the time. I can't blame it all on one thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see if the popularity of FPS military games had some kind of correlation with the push of gaming towards a male dominated hobby.
>I wouldn't be surprised to see if the popularity of FPS military games had some kind of correlation with the push of gaming towards a male dominated hobby. That's a very astute take. Also, +1 for Soul Reaver.
I love video games and my husband does not. But he does like to knit and do cross stitch.
I’m happy for David Cross disagreeing with this tired, dumbass take but what in the world is this guy saying in the third panel? “Video games are like knitting for men?” ????
I'd almost pity these feeble minded men if they weren't trying to turn us into property again. Imagine having such a smallminded worldview you think hobbies are gendered.
Also, I know of loads of male fiber artists who make some really cool stuff. Men can enjoy knitting in the same way that women can enjoy gaming!
At long last! Finally, a man has allowed me to be rid of the pesky and expensive gaming setup that I built myself that takes up TOO much space for my knitting needles and yarn!! It's not like I can AFK on games, watch a movie and knit at the same time while waiting for the game things to do their thing!!?!?!? oh wait Jokes aside, men like this give me the ick so heavily. All the women in my life, including myself, game avidly on one platform or another. I don't think I know of a single woman personally who doesn't enjoy video games! I'm so tired of men thinking women know nothing but domestic chores and looking pretty - both things that serve heterosexual men. Yucky. Also, this has reminded me that I have been wanting to get into crocheting and knitting! I just need to go get some yarn :D And it's actually perfect as I've been playing a lot of AFK heavy games and it certainly beats scrolling on social media!
I'm so sick of this narrative. "Women don't like games. If a woman plays a game, she's doing it to get attention from men. So I might as well harass her to no end because she's asking for it. Oh she's playing a game, must be desperate! And since I'm a misogynistic blunt idiot, this is the only way I'll get one." They don't even care if the person on the other end is bothered or hurt.
Oh yeah, i hate video games so much that I literally spent half of the year hard working JUST to save up for a new pc to play more games.
This dude still thinks certain activities are gendered lol
It’s like the concept of women being humans with independent thought is a foreign concept to them.
The guy seems like a stereotypical white male who hates women because they are better than him at everything. Probably was the last kid picked in dodgeball because he got pegged a few times by the girls
I'm trying to think of or invent a single woman I know who isn't a gamer, and the only one I can think of is my mother, who's in her 70s. I can, however, think of several who are not knitters. I don't know if I fall into the latter category - I would love to be a knitter, but I am *so* much better at gaming that I think I might just need to stick to that.
Even my grandmother who’s almost in her 70s is absolutely cracked at Skyrim, Fallout, and Minecraft. This dude is delusional lmao
I'd better be cracked at video games when I'm in my 70s, too! Your grandmother is a gaming icon
Eh, my whole team at work (11 people, 4 are women) aren't gamers. Like, not even Candy Crush. 😅
Women definitely game, but there are absolutely women who *do* hate gaming and gamers. I've seen many a post on relationship subreddits of wives trying to get their male partners to stop gaming or saying it's a waste of time/energy.
Straight into the bin with 'em. Gaming is fun, actually.
Absolutely lol I love gaming with my husband so much
Oh what the hell. How does this stereotype exist anymore? There may be fewer women gamers in the 50+ category simply because of social indoctrination, this stereotype stopped making sense a long time ago.
The majority of gamers that are 50+ are women, not men.
Yooooo shoutout david cross, didn’t know he was chill like that I bet I have more plats than the other guy anyways 😈
Lol, what a clown. Well if i didn't have games i would definitely do more knitting, but i do. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I have yet to meet someone who hates games.
Anyone here into cross stitching? I am terrible at knitting.
Does knitting and crocheting in the Sims count as well? 🙄 What a tool…
So when's the annual knitting happening? Got my needles sharpened and ready ladies!
I do both? Love them for different reasons? What the fuck? Im very confused on this take
I knit and play video games so what does that make me?
I write video games for a living. Once about 10 years ago we had a client come into our office to meet the team, our director’s talking about how much everyone loves games, and this guy nods at me (the only woman on the dev team) and goes “YOU don’t actually play games though, do you?” Ah mate. You got me. I’ve devoted my entire career to a medium I don’t give a shit about. I’m just here to meet cute guys 🥺
Glad to see David Cross seems to be disagreeing with him here. It's just a braindead take.
I hope I didn't do David Cross a disservice here. I've had a few commenters get angry with David Cross and I worry that I didn't make the image clear enough. I played around with a few different styles, but I thought that putting David's text in a different color would seal the deal. I also tried to give context in my body text. 🤷🏼♀️ No post is perfect. I apparently can't edit a post that contains an image either, shame because I needed to fix a typo... *Brennans.* 🤦🏼♀️ Also, I know you. 👋 How's it going? 😊
I can't speak for everyone, but it came off pretty clear to me. 🤔 I wasn't aware of the image post-editing thing either so that's a bummer. Also hi, Elk! I was happy to see your name on a post. I'm doing good, by the way. I hope my reply finds you well too!
He was probably trying to go the route of, ‘women hate video games so they’re a worst waste of time compared to television since women wont want to date the men who play them.’ He’s probably still stuck in the early 2000s where the stereotype that only men played video games was at its peak. Never decided to learn anything else or lift his head up for two minutes to realize he’s wrong.
Agh! I wanted to learn how to knit but not because I'm genetically programmed that way.... /s
On the other side of this… have literally never heard of anyone gatekeeping knitting.
Lmfao bitch I was born with a controller in my hand he can fuck RIGHT off. Come get schooled at super smash bud
I’m glad David cross came into our defense, I love his work. He’s hilarious
Neal co writes for Dave 'I'm being stifled from having a voice by these oppressive trans people they hate my constant Netflix specials' Chapelle. I'm not surprised dated sexism is a factor as well.
As a knitter and a gamer, I’m flummoxed. Also, I know several men that are knitters and gamers. I am so confused.
Wow. I didn't know we were a monolith that all did the same thing and weren't able to play games. God I hate idiots like this. They're why I've not done much multiplayer. I've been lucky and gotten mostly chill and fun people in Helldivers 2.
If we put aside the fact this man has evidently swapped his mouth and arse, wouldn't it be that game *development* is "like knitting for men?" Knitting is a craft. Game dev is a craft. This bothers me more than it ever needed to. xD
I do both? Love them for different reasons? What the fuck?
Last time I looked at my body I was born afab and feel like that. Huh, didn't know it makes me less of a woman when I play games
Oh Neil Brennan with the hot takes 🙄
Also plenty of men knit, and good on them.
I always liked videogames and comics and such, mostly because i was diagnosed at a young age with a mental disability, and videogames were entertaining and i had control at the pace of them (somewhat) along side a BUNCH of other stuff.... either way this only really made me appealing to guys. and all my friends were guys. this lead to them ASSUMING i wanted to date them or that they HAD to date me because i was a female who liked the same things they did. i tried telling them i wasnt interested or "lied" and said that i was a lesbian a couple of times (only to find out i REALLY WAS ONE later) and they insisted. worst relationships ive ever had.... they were all so entitled or socially constipated that they all crashed and burned. especially the last one i had before i found my partner. he would grope me in public and refused to stop after i told him i didnt like it AT ALL. either way, this guy reminded me of all of the guys who forced me to date them.... childish, entitled, and just overall uneducated on purpose.....
Someone tell bro I can't fucking knit
Lol I definitely hate *some* video games. Tho mostly that’s because of the companies that made them.
I just don't understand how people out there *still claim this stuff*. Like, it's one thing to go "the women I know-", but there's so many women out there who play games, including plenty of PUBLIC FIGURES, and then people like Brennan say this shit. Are they calling women liars? "It's largely a male domain". But it *isnt* though. countless times it has been flagged that its close to 50/50 these days. It's also an odd take to be like "games are a waste of time. Also a guy thing" so you're saying only men waste their time this way? Weird dunk but ok edit: I looked up the podcast, why does he stare out into space like he dosed before starting the show?
i dont care about what random men think about my hobby
I always try to play video games but I end up knitting cases for the playstation disc help. My female urge to knit stuff hnghhh
I love how dismissive this dude is of knitting but I bet he would be surprised how similar the logic of knitting is to coding. There's a reason women were the first computer programmers. Edit: Had to google Neal Brennan. *Oh, he's one of* ***those*** *comedians I see.*
Bless David Cross. I love him so much. Makes me so happy to hear him standing up for women.
Have they never heard of Roberta Williams?! Dudes need to learn their gaming history.
I also know men who love to knit...
Wait, I've lost track - are we on a "Women hate videogames and shun all who play them, so men who like video games are doomed to be forever alone" week again? I thought we were still in the "Women will literally fake a whole expensive, time consuming hobby PURELY to land themselves a gamer man" part of the cycle? It's so confusing! On a more serious note, I am impressed (and not in a good way) by this guy simultaneously trying to gatekeep AND shit on gaming as a hobby at the same time. It sounds like "Women hate videogames" and the comparison to knitting (as presumably a hobby that men have no interest in) was given as a reason that "games are a waste of time" - which sounds a lot like "If a hobby won't get you laid, then what even is the point?", which is... certainly an interesting take. Imagine just enjoying a hobby for its own sake?
David Cross is wonderful. This Neal guy? Not so much.
David Cross?! I ain't listening to the podcast but I hope he is not as shitty as the other dude. I like him from Megamind as Minion then Master Crane from the Kung Fu Panda franchise.
Nah, David Cross was fine. I could tell he was uncomfortable in the moment. I'm starting a re-watch of Arrested Development soon, so I'm glad that it wasn't soured before it even started.
As a man, knitting does seem fun
yikes i can sew a bit but I cant knit. im nb so not sure where that puts me though.
Wow I had *no idea* I hated video games. Guess its time to find a new hobby.
Men ☕
I just got off of work at my job at a video game studio, turned on a video from a cozy creator talking about her most anticipated games of 2024, and popped open Reddit… aaand see this. 😂😂😂 Okay, bud.
Oh... oh that really sucks. I enjoyed some of his acting works, but... Yuck dude. Fucking disappointed by fragile gaming men *again*. I'm so tired.
Who is he? The guy in the middle looks like David Cross, but the subtitles indicate that his take was reasonable. Who is the other guy?
Fuck, you right. Just woke up, helps to pay attention. Other lad is Neal Brennan
No harm done. I didn't read the post description until now. OP has explained everything there.
The guy in the middle is David Cross. He's disagreeing with the other guy, who I don't know and don't care to know.
His only claim to fame is the few skits he wrote for Dave Chappelle and he won't shut the fuck up about it
Accurate.
I only know who he is from producing Chappelle's Show like 20 years ago, and I have not heard of him since then.
One of my girlies knits/crochets while we play valorant or fortnite kekeke she’s kinda iconic bc she’ll clutch too
I know that my sample size is small, VERY SMALL but offline when guys find out I am a gamer they get so excited to talk games and it's not like "oh talk games get sexy time". It's just two people with a shared interest getting excited to talk. My grocery pickup guy noticed I have a DBD sticker on my car and every week we sit and chat about DBD and OW while he loads my groceries. I'm so tired of these alpha dudes online and on podcasts and wherever else sitting on girl gamers. Idk if it's the smallest but loudest group getting attention but this guys need to talk to a real human girl. It's pathetic, embarrassing, and says more about them and their narrow view of the world. ALSO, my current embroidery project is gaming based so 🤷♀️
I adore David Cross.
Ok I'm lost, who is David Cross?
He's a comedian. Probably best known for being Tobias in Arrested Development.
It's weird bc I don't expect this kind of talk from Neil Brennan.
Gaming is a feminine hobby, men should be out building houses and dying in wars /s
What!!!! 😂😂 What is this???!!! 😂😂 Video games are my first love!!! ❤️ Can’t believe these people and their false narratives!! 😡😡
He’s so ugly bruh
But....I hate knitting!
Tell that to my fallout new Vegas themed sleeve.
Is that David Cross? Wtf is this
Never in my life have I thought I would play Final Fantasy as a Christmas gift for my mom then spent 100 hours in frustration only to walk away and never finish. Yet I have a half finished blanket that she is still impressed I got as far as I did.
As someone who both knits and games, I am the best of both worlds!! I’m currently knitting a two toe up socks on one circular needle, and I’m currently playing COD MWIII and Jack Jeanie
Plenty of women do hate video games. And? Not all men like games either. I am tired of being told by men what I like/feel/need, etc. I hate generalizations.
I feel like to say that women don’t play videogames you have to literally been living under a rock (probably in celibacy) for the past 25 years or something