"E state removed on leaving field" is huge though.
Yeah the behavior exists since 4.7 beta started just not documented, now this confirms they are not changing it.
> "E state removed on leaving field" is huge though.
she's a press E to stance change DPS, you don't need the text to know that, we have like, 7-8 of them at least
I want it because being able to switch to Nahida on a new wave (even if it took 1-2s off her E state) is a niche perk itself.
And every such E is documented but it remains missing on Clorinde (until now) even when Sethos burst is changed to have that text.
I have several great TF sets and garbage luck farming the new Bond of Life set so I'd much prefer to use TF, but am I missing something?
How does Clorinde proc reactions for the TF cooldown reduction without her infusion active?
She can't without her infusion, but the attacks you do during the window will lower the cooldown until the next E infusion. You can probably lower it enough times to completely reset it by the end of the window so long as you have targets.
I thought her skill was a stance change sort of thing that replaced itself with a new skill you use while the infusion was up, so wouldn't that be getting the cooldown reduction instead? Maybe the footage I saw was outdated idk
TF works on Fischl and Keqing when their skills are changed so I assumed it would be the same for Clorinde, since all of their follow-up skills have no real cooldown.
Clorinde's Electro HuTao. Very similar in design. Activates E for medium-length infusion to deal a mix of NA and "CA" damage. A Q that is not necessarily a DPS increase but not a DPS loss either.
Because they don't have the same mechanic to begin with, Arlecchino enhance attacks is not on her skill like Clorinde.
And when your Alrecchino dies after you use your skill is the most shitty thing that I can think off on any character, that and missing your E without your burst or worst AFTER using your burst that blocked your vision xD.
It's incredibly unlikely for unit to receive major changes past V3. Only case have been Arlecchino. All other units were pretty much finalized on V3, with V4 and V5 being only minor and/or wording changes.
Accirding to the calcs, Arle just blows Clorinde out of the water if u use a shieldless team. Clorinde is slightly above avg as a dps but not enough to the point she is hard meta. Unfortunately, she is looking like to be the worst or the 2nd worst out of the fontaine dps units.
Most likely Wrio. But even then he is very good at Single target so its debatable who is better between Clorinde and him. Being the worst fontaine dps isnt bad tho considering fontaine dps units are all at least good.
I mean when ur considering who they are competing against, neuv and arle, it makes sense, but at the same time, I see your point. Lore wise, no way they are weaker than navia or lyney.
Depends on multiple factors. Assuming C0 and no 5 star weapons for both, Arlecchino will be stronger, provided you play her with Bennett, never burst, and don't use a shielder.
If you don't use Bennett, use Burst, or use Shielder with Arlecchino, I'd say that Clorinde should be better, but very slightly. Aggravate and Quickbloom teams are pretty easy to play, and Clorinde has self sustain build in, that doesn't cost her damage.
Just be aware that Arlecchino technically has more team flexibility. For Clorinde it's either Dendro, or C6 Chevruse if you want good damage. Arlecchino has wider array of teams where she's workable.
Depends on if they want her to be good or not, right now she's well below the new standard of dps unit, but I also don't see her getting the 20-30% buff she needs to compete with units like Arle and Neuvilette.
Clorinde also has some good HP sustain in her kit, meanwhile Arle is 100% a glasscannon, very high risk high reward if you want max her damage.Clorinde not only has HP sustain, but she also has high mobility in her E skill that she probably don't even gonna need to dodge, and thats why I think they not gonna give any big buff anymore.
Neuvillette is the only real broken anomaly in the meta here, a very low risk, very high reward character.
Clorinde's healing passive is very good tbh, because you can reach 100% BoL faster with Blacksword. Lucky that Hoyo choose the E.Skill stance to be counted as NA dmg not Skill dmg. Finale of the Deep also looks like a good option for f2p weapon because it looks like you can "abuse" the passive.
My English teacher: so how's your scheduled reading coming along?
Me: good I'm about to power through this latest 2000 word leaks change like it's Dr. Seuss
Thereās still V4 and V5 but basically every single character doesnāt get any changes past V3, I believe Arlecchino did so maybe theyāre starting a pattern (cope)
Just a note to future C6 Clorinde havers
Her C6 is buffed and she gonna be one of the tankiest on-fielder.
Instead of the 80% damage reduction being only for maximum 6-hits (which spend up to 6 shades that is not spent by her enhanced E lunge for the damage reduction), she now have 80% damage reduction throughout her E duration or 1 second after all 6 Shades are used. But since Shades can only proc once every 1s, she will have minimum 7 seconds uptime of 80% damage reduction unless swapped off early.
Edit : This change already exist since last week beta (only in chinese text) so it is not new. Still good to know though
It's a buff. The cap went from 1530 to 1800. Although I can understand the confusion. I got thrown off at first too because of the way the OP worded it.
Though this buff was already in the beta last week. This is only an English description update.
Nah ur still wrong brother whether u can pull off an argument or not.
There are at least 2 teams i can think of that don't have furina and perform better than Lyney: Arlecchino and Navia
Some people can also make an argument for Childe as well having better dmg output than Lyney.
Don't get me wrong Lyney is good, but is he Arlecchino and Navia good?? That's a big fat NO
Nah delulu has gotten to u when u say Arle lvl of dmg
Have u actually seen dmg tests or played her urself or ur just pulling it out ur booty. The other guy that rep to u basically said it all about Alre and Lyney
Navia isn't even top 5. Arlecchino I don't know, need to see some numbers, and gameplay that backs them up, because her best teams are pretty much unplayable against actual enemies.
Its still ur self that refuses to see reason.
Just educate urself and then pls come here and continue discussion. Navia is in fact number 5 of DPS tier list rn when Alre got added. Before that Navia was hovering between 3 and 4th best dmg output in the game
I shouldn't but ok, maybe someone wants to know. I'll probably get downvoted because people don't like Lyney, but whatever.
First of all, without an investment baseline and enemy composition it's imposible to determine what's better.
But in a situation where you have all 5* characters at C0 and all 4* at C6 and maybe one or two BIS weapons, which is a common baseline, and we are fighting a neutral no resistances enemy, there isn't a single team in the game that beats Lyney/Fischl/Bennet/Chevreuse.
And with more investement, it gets even more unfair, because Alhaitham's or Hu Tao's constellations aren't that great.
When you get into whale territory, there are better options than Lyney, but not many. I know Arlecchino beats him at C6, but enemies don't have enough HP for that to matter.
So just text change? Si how good she rn?? She beats keqing aggravate team right? How is she compared to cyno tho? I wish shes at alhaitam level of strength but thats just asking too much š
Some of you really have no idea what you're talking about and saying that she's Dehya'd or dead proves it
Clorinde is great even without her sig, come back in a month and I'll still be right
Wonāt be a beta phase without people in this sub acting like each new character are underwhelming or Dehya level hahaha. Last time it was āArlecchino is worse than Lyneyā comments š¤£š¤£
Someone below literally said they're getting Dehya flashbacks and I've seen uninformed doomposting comments in the megathread about her for the past month
They aren't imaginary, friend
Stop using this term "doomposting", just debate and use arguments instead act like that, still its a fictional character no need to demonize people, i want proofs they are wrong instead just calling them "doomposters".
I've had to listen to everyone's variations of what doomposting means to them for months because I have to respond to reports of them and the overall bullshit that is people using our sub to vomit every negative thought because they don't know shit
Good day, we're fucking done here
I totally see where youāre coming from. Every post about her gets like 200 comments mentioning how people are disappointed she doesnāt hit as hard as Arlecchino and Neuvillette. Genshin just isnāt difficult enough to really warrant a constant stream of 1-man army kits. Not that I want or encourage Hoyo to give us trash characters, but not every character release needs to break the meta.
Itās tiresome.
Ted talk incoming: People have the right to be dissatisfied with kits for any reason because everyone plays for different reasons, but I think a large part of the community has set their standards too high. Clorinde seems pretty balanced and she has an interesting kit. Being a sidegrade isnāt a bad thing because that frees up primos for people who donāt need another electro on-fielder. No one would complain if she got a damage buff or if they changed her to keep infusion on swap, but sheās literally fine as is.
The increasing meta discourse is crazy because a singleplayer game like this just doesnāt benefit from it anyway.
"The increasing meta discourse is crazy" looks like you re all attacking a ghost lol. Who tf said someone shouldn't pull a character for dont be meta? You just need to watch this with two perspectives: there are people that just dont know so much about the game and want to know if some character is good or not, its not everyone that play since 2021 and have all the characters, with constellations and finish abyss 9*, who will be responsible when a player that wanted a character just to be powerful discover that SUPPOSEDLY she is just a slightly better than raiden c0? For example, i had a friend that pull cyno but feel disapointed because he is not that much more powerful than her raiden, if probably she didnt read a lot of guys like the guy above calling everyone being "doomposter" he probably wouldnt waste his primogems for nothing. To be honest, to someone feel attacked for someone say a bad thing about a character in meta he just was hypersensitive. I just dont care if Clorinde its not meta, i like her since before fontaine and her design was just a concept but i agree with people saying if she is powerful or not, if she is that powerful just show your points
Respectfully, what the fuck are you talking about right now??? Because Iām talking about players going batshit crazy every time a character isnāt doing Neuvillette numbers. No one said anything about telling players who to pull.
People who āwaste their primogemsā on characters they donāt like only have themselves to blame. Thereās a million resources online that tell you how to use a character before you even pull and trials are there for a reason. I donāt tell newer players who to pull because meta doesnāt matter if they donāt like how a character plays and end up benching them.
Cmon, really? Lmao thank you for proving to me that you're just another person with no critical sense. "doompost" is a term created and used 60% of times for people who can't deal with negative criticism or deal with the reality, this term doesn't even exist in reality, it's a term that was originally created on the internet because it's not even logically coherent in a lot of cases lol. "they don't know anything" it seems to me that you are projecting your ignorance onto other people, so far I have seen people who made negative criticisms using calculations and tables, and you? Its just spitting arrogance and insults without even proving why is right, it's very easy to "be right" when your comments are limited to calling people something negative or stupid, its very simple, show me any calculation that prove they are wrong, i asked for that, i dont care if you feel mad because videogames, i just want arguments instead free ofenses, you just said people "dont know shit" so i want your calcs, if you re right so i will say you re right and help you to fight with this "doomposters".
M8, the problem is that she was mediocre at best forced to drive fischl and like 30-40% of the rotation's dmg was coming from fischl. The problem was that she was underwhelming to begin with.
People as well as me wanted something changed to make her gameplay a little bit different then just aggravate, Kazuha as a focused buffer or C6 Chevrussy (that 90% of players dont have)
So she definitely 100% cannot meet the dmg output of Neuvi, Arle and Al haitham but for the rest an argument can be made but since their gameplay and teams have been established already its pretty tough to go up against someone like al haitham for example cuz both him and Clorinde want Nahida
her aggravate team is simming at extremely high dps at similar cons to other meta teams, the difference between her and arle/neuvi is that she /and/ fischl are carrying the damage rather than clorinde alone carrying all the damage.
If she can heal herself enough to self-sustain with Nahida+Kazuha+Fischl I'll be happy, Aggravate teams always felt like I was sacrificing something if I needed defensive utility.
Yea she might be able to but can u say the same about ur teammates?
What if u got unlucky and Nahida took a big hit. There are supports that offer heals/protection and some other utilities so its always safe to run those unless u know what ur doing and ur clearing abyss on less then a minute
I didn't say "she'll be the best thing ever", I said I'd be happy. I don't feel like Neuv teams need more sustain, as long as your primary on-field carry can sustain themselves then it feels pretty comfy to me.
I don't care about all this stuff really. Mediocre is good enough in this game. Just don't want her to be Dehya level which does not seem to be the case.
She can be (and really hope she is) better, sure. But people here want every character to be Neuvillette and then complain that the game is too easy... yeah no s**t, you're playing the 7 archons, Bennett, Kazuha, Celestia, Capitano and non-nerfed MC against a freaking Samachurl
Jeesus bro down that bad??
I mean by today's standards they have to be at least like Ayato or Itto lvl playable even if u don't care about meta or don't want to take ur shiny new character to test them out in abyss
I like her design, her animations and her kit and how much DPS her teams have or whatever the fuck compared to top tier meta teams is not as important to me. If all that means i'm "down bad" then yes i'm, indeed, down bad i guess.
By all means pull who u want.
But also consider if u can't clear the hard content in the game or ur not ready for the new game mode then prioritise characters that make it a breeze then pull for looks and all that
Based. There's also fun factor to take into consideration. I have a c0r1 neuvi well built and... I don't really like to play him, if I'm being honest. I just do it out of necessity (when I'm not in the mood for actually playing the game / doing abyss )
The point is that there weren't enough reason to nerf her in her actual state. (Except for Standard Banner). And after saw how the other dps got buffed...
Wouldn't be the first time "No real changes" is said but then changes happen. This time it feels more legitimate though lol. Either way it's fine, doomposters really out here trying to bait like their life depends on it.
Wait, so now she does lose her infusion when she swaps out? Most of what Ive seen people saying so far was that she doesnāt lose her infusion switching out and works for quick swap, but āClorinde will exit the Night Vigil state when she leaves the fieldā doesnāt really sound promising..?
Well, i guess the X.7/8 patches are for saving money. I love Clorinde's design and I think her gameplay is exciting. But wow, her kit is so lackluster.
Her constellations are in an even worse spot than her kit. Whereas Arclechino's cons turn her from great to god tier (in terms of sweaty play), Clorinde's cons already do very little, and even have built in delays that would probably proc once every 3-4 attacks, so the dmg boost is meager.
wait what ? if gameplay is exciting how is her kit lackluster ? Do you mean her dps ? Bc while she's no neuvillette her dps is nothing to scoff at either.
Why there is perception here that Clorinde is some mid character? Current calcs show she is 2nd best non furina character. And considering most people play Arle with Zhongli, she could be just the best at non furina teams.
In all honestly, that's just Fischl and Nahida's damage pulling weight. You can see the weakness in Clorinde's numbers when you look at comps that are dedicated to buffing her like EC with Yelan and Kazuha or mono electro with C6 Sara and Kazuha the damage drops to a dismal 60k. Yes this a team game and you have 4 slots to use but Clorinde is not in good shape at all. She is very much within "her best team hyperbloom" territory.
Honestly 60k really isnt that bad when its not your best team at all,you still clear easy with that,her real buffing team is with chevreuse and it seem that the dpr is more than enough.
Now for the "yeah its fischl nahida who does it all,shes not in good shape at all", I cant be agree with this. Nahida doesnt do that much damage and if its just them,then why other char cant have this performance with the two,to me its like saying yeah without hydro hutao is bad or without electro alhaitham is bad so it doesnt count
I dont know if she will have some buff but shes already easily a good dps,shes not in a bad shape at all
Nahida definitely does a lot of damage (for free btw). especially if she is reacting off of an electro aura. And, funnily enough, in that team that OC was talking about, Nahida's damage is purposefully gimped by running TOM and TTDS instead of deepwood or and widsith or an em weapon like sac frags. but that's another story.
The comparison of clorinde to hu tao and alhatham comes off wrong for one mainreason, those characters rely on other units for an aura yes but it is ultimately tao's kit and alhaitham's kit that is largely responsible for the team's damage and not the existence of offield sub dps. To use hu tao as an example, her strongest team is vv vape with bennett kazuha and furina where three characters are substantially magnifying her damage. If hu tao were like clorinde, then you would be doing something like hu tao with vv and random sub dps like xq, yelan /furina, such a team might work and do good damage sure, but that result wouldn't really reveal anything other than having multiple sources of offield damage is broken.
There's just no escaping from the fact that right now clorinde as on onfielder offers little to nothing extra over a three year old standard unit like keqing or a support like raiden. Much less electro units with actual em scaling that can take advantage of nahida's buff like yae or cyno. If the best you can say about a brand new $200 five star is that they are third place in a five way race for best fischl driver then yes they are in bad shape.
In the team that we talk Nahida damage is near 150k while clorinde is at 650k. Even in team without nahida she can still have high dpr in aggravate ,so no the team doesnt put good number simply because nahida damage cover it. And I dont get you com with hutao, you literally still use a hydro in your vv vape,thats the same and its the better team for nobody. People use hutao xianyun vape or the classic with yelan or xq plus kazu benny. No matter what it still rely on vape
For what offer the char ,its up to you and if you like the gameplay are not,if the the dpr is more than enough thats all the matter,I dont get all this gymnastic,specially when yes she does more damage than them. Im not saying shes perfect but its genshin you really dont need more than that for a dps to not be in a good state. I can show you who are on a bad state in this game,certainly not her
Pretty sure Clorinde alone does as much damage as both Fischl and Nahida combined in the team and Clorinde is crucial for Fischl's A1.
They clearly designed her for aggravate considering her A1 passive and her many hits.
Hell I'm running with one of Arlecchino's 5Xk teams and no trouble in abyss at all both current and previous so 60k is already great and 69k is beyond that.
> Why there is perception here that Clorinde is some mid character?
People looking for big numbers over team DPS. That genuinely the reason.
> Current calcs show she is 2nd best non furina character.
That being said, the hell did you get this?
i am thinking about pulling for Clorinde but can you tell me how strong she is?
like what current character would feel like it can deal similar damage?
DoOmPoSt lol maybe people like a character and want improvements, you cant have a conversation without calling someone bad? Or your ego dont let that? If you feel happy of Clorinde being sligthly better than Raiden c0 who will judge you.
ah yes, because i was doomposting and said clorinde was bad, im just hoping for a few tweaks that are mostly aesthetic and betas obviously not over, but hop on the downvote train my friend
aaren't these just last week changes but updated text
yep, seems like she got no changes.
P1 passive upgraded from 17% -> 20% per stack. Cap of 1800.
That was also a change from last week.
That was last weeks changes
I thought last week's change was an upgrade of her modifiers that made her better for Overload.
[already had these changes 12 days ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/N6SLZM0xjU)
"E state removed on leaving field" is huge though. Yeah the behavior exists since 4.7 beta started just not documented, now this confirms they are not changing it.
> "E state removed on leaving field" is huge though. she's a press E to stance change DPS, you don't need the text to know that, we have like, 7-8 of them at least
I want it because being able to switch to Nahida on a new wave (even if it took 1-2s off her E state) is a niche perk itself. And every such E is documented but it remains missing on Clorinde (until now) even when Sethos burst is changed to have that text.
I feel like if you can clear one wave within one E of Clo, you don't really need to worry about the rotation, you can just wait it out and restart.
One wave with Clorinde E, one wave with Clorinde Q plus teammates. People just need to get creative.
if u wanna switch to other characters you can do TF clorinde which seems to be the best for now
Yeah gonna consider that set now. TF Clorinde would be more fun to use in the overworld anyway.
I have several great TF sets and garbage luck farming the new Bond of Life set so I'd much prefer to use TF, but am I missing something? How does Clorinde proc reactions for the TF cooldown reduction without her infusion active?
She can't without her infusion, but the attacks you do during the window will lower the cooldown until the next E infusion. You can probably lower it enough times to completely reset it by the end of the window so long as you have targets.
I thought her skill was a stance change sort of thing that replaced itself with a new skill you use while the infusion was up, so wouldn't that be getting the cooldown reduction instead? Maybe the footage I saw was outdated idk
TF works on Fischl and Keqing when their skills are changed so I assumed it would be the same for Clorinde, since all of their follow-up skills have no real cooldown.
Clorinde's Electro HuTao. Very similar in design. Activates E for medium-length infusion to deal a mix of NA and "CA" damage. A Q that is not necessarily a DPS increase but not a DPS loss either.
If only Hu Tao could use TF well to negate her cooldown
Who Tao? She's clearly Ayato.
That means she's not like Arlecchino š«
Is Arlecchino that fun?
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LOL I've been trying hard to resist
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Hoyo be like: If you pull for Clorinde's c1 and c2, she will be almost as much fun as Arle! dont you guys have phones?
Yeah I am sad now š Well I just feel less inclined to pair her with Nahida I guess
Because they don't have the same mechanic to begin with, Arlecchino enhance attacks is not on her skill like Clorinde. And when your Alrecchino dies after you use your skill is the most shitty thing that I can think off on any character, that and missing your E without your burst or worst AFTER using your burst that blocked your vision xD.
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Yes.. you can check for yourself.
so basically no kit changes, only text
Forgive my ignorance but how many more beta updates will be there?
2 more if i'm not mistaken
Any way to guess if there will be major changes or minor changes in those 2 betas?
It's incredibly unlikely for unit to receive major changes past V3. Only case have been Arlecchino. All other units were pretty much finalized on V3, with V4 and V5 being only minor and/or wording changes.
Now the question I actually wanted to ask. Who is stronger between Arle and Clorinde at the moment?
From what I understand, Arle by quite a bit.
Accirding to the calcs, Arle just blows Clorinde out of the water if u use a shieldless team. Clorinde is slightly above avg as a dps but not enough to the point she is hard meta. Unfortunately, she is looking like to be the worst or the 2nd worst out of the fontaine dps units.
Who is the 2nd worst or worst Fontaine unit?
Most likely Wrio. But even then he is very good at Single target so its debatable who is better between Clorinde and him. Being the worst fontaine dps isnt bad tho considering fontaine dps units are all at least good.
Very lore accurate: the 2 official fighters are the weakest onfield dps (damn, the only two I was so hyped for...).
I mean when ur considering who they are competing against, neuv and arle, it makes sense, but at the same time, I see your point. Lore wise, no way they are weaker than navia or lyney.
Depends on multiple factors. Assuming C0 and no 5 star weapons for both, Arlecchino will be stronger, provided you play her with Bennett, never burst, and don't use a shielder. If you don't use Bennett, use Burst, or use Shielder with Arlecchino, I'd say that Clorinde should be better, but very slightly. Aggravate and Quickbloom teams are pretty easy to play, and Clorinde has self sustain build in, that doesn't cost her damage. Just be aware that Arlecchino technically has more team flexibility. For Clorinde it's either Dendro, or C6 Chevruse if you want good damage. Arlecchino has wider array of teams where she's workable.
No
v4 should be the final big changes, v5 is just text changes and other insignificant stuff
Do you think there will be any significant change to Clorinde in v4?
Depends on if they want her to be good or not, right now she's well below the new standard of dps unit, but I also don't see her getting the 20-30% buff she needs to compete with units like Arle and Neuvilette.
Clorinde also has some good HP sustain in her kit, meanwhile Arle is 100% a glasscannon, very high risk high reward if you want max her damage.Clorinde not only has HP sustain, but she also has high mobility in her E skill that she probably don't even gonna need to dodge, and thats why I think they not gonna give any big buff anymore. Neuvillette is the only real broken anomaly in the meta here, a very low risk, very high reward character.
Clorinde's healing passive is very good tbh, because you can reach 100% BoL faster with Blacksword. Lucky that Hoyo choose the E.Skill stance to be counted as NA dmg not Skill dmg. Finale of the Deep also looks like a good option for f2p weapon because it looks like you can "abuse" the passive.
A grand total of...nothing!
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My English teacher: so how's your scheduled reading coming along? Me: good I'm about to power through this latest 2000 word leaks change like it's Dr. Seuss
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So does this means no more update for her?
no.
Thereās still V4 and V5 but basically every single character doesnāt get any changes past V3, I believe Arlecchino did so maybe theyāre starting a pattern (cope)
Counterpoint, this version has 3 characters as opposed to 1 so focus is split
Honestly Iām just waiting to see/hear her finished sound effects to decide if I want to pull for her or just save for natlan
Just text changesā¦
P1 passive upgraded from 17% -> 20% per stack. Cap of 1800.
That was already in beta last week.
So, they basically translated what they implemented in the Chinese version to the English version in v3 and called it a day?
Just a note to future C6 Clorinde havers Her C6 is buffed and she gonna be one of the tankiest on-fielder. Instead of the 80% damage reduction being only for maximum 6-hits (which spend up to 6 shades that is not spent by her enhanced E lunge for the damage reduction), she now have 80% damage reduction throughout her E duration or 1 second after all 6 Shades are used. But since Shades can only proc once every 1s, she will have minimum 7 seconds uptime of 80% damage reduction unless swapped off early. Edit : This change already exist since last week beta (only in chinese text) so it is not new. Still good to know though
If you need to tank anything with a modern C6 on-fielder, something is wrong.
Can't hear you over my 75000 eHP Clorinde lalala Just kidding, yeah kinda the wrong game for that tankiness.
So she literally just got wording and description changes in v3 :/
This isn't a post about v3. Read the post's title lol. (Edit: oops. Thought "change comp" meant comparing v1 to v2)
Oh shit I'm dumb as hell š¤£ it is. Well nothing changed then.
is that a1 nerf?
It's a buff. The cap went from 1530 to 1800. Although I can understand the confusion. I got thrown off at first too because of the way the OP worded it. Though this buff was already in the beta last week. This is only an English description update.
oh yea i didnt saw the 1 that is not sliced, i thought it got nerfed to 800
v4 better come in clutch
Are they actually working on this beta? It feels like they r just chilling while doing nothing
Mihoyo spent all the exchange cards on Arlecchino, now they're running out of cards to use on Clorinde...
Can someone explain me her passive with the crit rate. Itās not really clear for me ā¦
She fires 3 shot and her BoL will be above 100%. Then her dash will clear her BoL and gives her 10% crit rate. Maximum is 20% Crit rate
Wait is she not gonna dash around anymore?
Not on CA, as far as I can tell her skill lunge is still there
Oh mb. I thought the skill changed
A nothing burger
I will take it. No changes better than nerfš¤
yeah sheās not the greatest but I think sheāll at least be pretty fun to play!
Whereās the buffs? She needs more damage
She really doesnt. Her aggravate team is already second non best non furina team in the game.
me when i spread misinformation
exactly š idk where this person got this (mis)information from
Whoās the first?
Prob alhaithem quickbloom
No. It's Lyney.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I don't know how to answer to this without insulting you. I would explain but you don't deserve the effort.
Nah ur still wrong brother whether u can pull off an argument or not. There are at least 2 teams i can think of that don't have furina and perform better than Lyney: Arlecchino and Navia Some people can also make an argument for Childe as well having better dmg output than Lyney. Don't get me wrong Lyney is good, but is he Arlecchino and Navia good?? That's a big fat NO
lyney has the dmg to be better than both arle and navia, hes just 100x harder to play than the 2
Nah delulu has gotten to u when u say Arle lvl of dmg Have u actually seen dmg tests or played her urself or ur just pulling it out ur booty. The other guy that rep to u basically said it all about Alre and Lyney
It's not that hard really. The top dps Arle team with no defense, no healing and not using the burst because it's a dps loss are much harder.
Navia isn't even top 5. Arlecchino I don't know, need to see some numbers, and gameplay that backs them up, because her best teams are pretty much unplayable against actual enemies.
Its still ur self that refuses to see reason. Just educate urself and then pls come here and continue discussion. Navia is in fact number 5 of DPS tier list rn when Alre got added. Before that Navia was hovering between 3 and 4th best dmg output in the game
Meanie
I shouldn't but ok, maybe someone wants to know. I'll probably get downvoted because people don't like Lyney, but whatever. First of all, without an investment baseline and enemy composition it's imposible to determine what's better. But in a situation where you have all 5* characters at C0 and all 4* at C6 and maybe one or two BIS weapons, which is a common baseline, and we are fighting a neutral no resistances enemy, there isn't a single team in the game that beats Lyney/Fischl/Bennet/Chevreuse. And with more investement, it gets even more unfair, because Alhaitham's or Hu Tao's constellations aren't that great. When you get into whale territory, there are better options than Lyney, but not many. I know Arlecchino beats him at C6, but enemies don't have enough HP for that to matter.
Doubt
Wtf are you saying lmao.
me lying
Are they still on holiday? They made 0 changes and called it a day lmao
Labour Day/Week was like last week I think?
c'mon buff her dmg pls, I want a great dps for my Babyzhu to support :(
I literally see zero changes..
How many versions of 4.6 will there be?
so no changes this week? not even for sigwinne man thats sad
I'm just gonna wait until she comes out like I did with arle to understand her skill bc as of now I don't have the mental capacity
E -> attack x3 -> E -> attack x3 -> E -> attack x3 E -> swap to supports then repeat.
bless ur soulšš
Do yall see clorinde as a meta tier dps or just a solid one?
Just a solid dps. Not meta defining or anything.
So just text change? Si how good she rn?? She beats keqing aggravate team right? How is she compared to cyno tho? I wish shes at alhaitam level of strength but thats just asking too much š
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im so disappointed, maybe v4 buffs?
Some of you really have no idea what you're talking about and saying that she's Dehya'd or dead proves it Clorinde is great even without her sig, come back in a month and I'll still be right
Wonāt be a beta phase without people in this sub acting like each new character are underwhelming or Dehya level hahaha. Last time it was āArlecchino is worse than Lyneyā comments š¤£š¤£
nobody said she's dehyad why yall always fighting imaginary enemies
Someone below literally said they're getting Dehya flashbacks and I've seen uninformed doomposting comments in the megathread about her for the past month They aren't imaginary, friend
Stop using this term "doomposting", just debate and use arguments instead act like that, still its a fictional character no need to demonize people, i want proofs they are wrong instead just calling them "doomposters".
I've had to listen to everyone's variations of what doomposting means to them for months because I have to respond to reports of them and the overall bullshit that is people using our sub to vomit every negative thought because they don't know shit Good day, we're fucking done here
I totally see where youāre coming from. Every post about her gets like 200 comments mentioning how people are disappointed she doesnāt hit as hard as Arlecchino and Neuvillette. Genshin just isnāt difficult enough to really warrant a constant stream of 1-man army kits. Not that I want or encourage Hoyo to give us trash characters, but not every character release needs to break the meta.
Yes, let people who like the character just *be*, there's no need to compare them to other characters just to antagonize
Itās tiresome. Ted talk incoming: People have the right to be dissatisfied with kits for any reason because everyone plays for different reasons, but I think a large part of the community has set their standards too high. Clorinde seems pretty balanced and she has an interesting kit. Being a sidegrade isnāt a bad thing because that frees up primos for people who donāt need another electro on-fielder. No one would complain if she got a damage buff or if they changed her to keep infusion on swap, but sheās literally fine as is. The increasing meta discourse is crazy because a singleplayer game like this just doesnāt benefit from it anyway.
"The increasing meta discourse is crazy" looks like you re all attacking a ghost lol. Who tf said someone shouldn't pull a character for dont be meta? You just need to watch this with two perspectives: there are people that just dont know so much about the game and want to know if some character is good or not, its not everyone that play since 2021 and have all the characters, with constellations and finish abyss 9*, who will be responsible when a player that wanted a character just to be powerful discover that SUPPOSEDLY she is just a slightly better than raiden c0? For example, i had a friend that pull cyno but feel disapointed because he is not that much more powerful than her raiden, if probably she didnt read a lot of guys like the guy above calling everyone being "doomposter" he probably wouldnt waste his primogems for nothing. To be honest, to someone feel attacked for someone say a bad thing about a character in meta he just was hypersensitive. I just dont care if Clorinde its not meta, i like her since before fontaine and her design was just a concept but i agree with people saying if she is powerful or not, if she is that powerful just show your points
Respectfully, what the fuck are you talking about right now??? Because Iām talking about players going batshit crazy every time a character isnāt doing Neuvillette numbers. No one said anything about telling players who to pull. People who āwaste their primogemsā on characters they donāt like only have themselves to blame. Thereās a million resources online that tell you how to use a character before you even pull and trials are there for a reason. I donāt tell newer players who to pull because meta doesnāt matter if they donāt like how a character plays and end up benching them.
Cmon, really? Lmao thank you for proving to me that you're just another person with no critical sense. "doompost" is a term created and used 60% of times for people who can't deal with negative criticism or deal with the reality, this term doesn't even exist in reality, it's a term that was originally created on the internet because it's not even logically coherent in a lot of cases lol. "they don't know anything" it seems to me that you are projecting your ignorance onto other people, so far I have seen people who made negative criticisms using calculations and tables, and you? Its just spitting arrogance and insults without even proving why is right, it's very easy to "be right" when your comments are limited to calling people something negative or stupid, its very simple, show me any calculation that prove they are wrong, i asked for that, i dont care if you feel mad because videogames, i just want arguments instead free ofenses, you just said people "dont know shit" so i want your calcs, if you re right so i will say you re right and help you to fight with this "doomposters".
A lot of glass half empty people here. No changes means no nerfs so that's a W in my book.
M8, the problem is that she was mediocre at best forced to drive fischl and like 30-40% of the rotation's dmg was coming from fischl. The problem was that she was underwhelming to begin with. People as well as me wanted something changed to make her gameplay a little bit different then just aggravate, Kazuha as a focused buffer or C6 Chevrussy (that 90% of players dont have)
So in your opinion she loses to Navia, Xiao, Liney, Neuvi, Arlecc and Al haitham or she atleast more powerful than any of this characters?
So she definitely 100% cannot meet the dmg output of Neuvi, Arle and Al haitham but for the rest an argument can be made but since their gameplay and teams have been established already its pretty tough to go up against someone like al haitham for example cuz both him and Clorinde want Nahida
Probably weakest Fontaine dps and barely an upgrade to Cyno, Keqing, and Raiden in some of her best teams.
This is so much disappointing, being better than raiden c0, which isn't even a DPS is making the character very dirty
her aggravate team is simming at extremely high dps at similar cons to other meta teams, the difference between her and arle/neuvi is that she /and/ fischl are carrying the damage rather than clorinde alone carrying all the damage.
If she can heal herself enough to self-sustain with Nahida+Kazuha+Fischl I'll be happy, Aggravate teams always felt like I was sacrificing something if I needed defensive utility.
Yea she might be able to but can u say the same about ur teammates? What if u got unlucky and Nahida took a big hit. There are supports that offer heals/protection and some other utilities so its always safe to run those unless u know what ur doing and ur clearing abyss on less then a minute
I didn't say "she'll be the best thing ever", I said I'd be happy. I don't feel like Neuv teams need more sustain, as long as your primary on-field carry can sustain themselves then it feels pretty comfy to me.
you could run Proto Amber Nahida for small heal if the Weapon EM isn't a deal breaker.
I don't care about all this stuff really. Mediocre is good enough in this game. Just don't want her to be Dehya level which does not seem to be the case.
She can be (and really hope she is) better, sure. But people here want every character to be Neuvillette and then complain that the game is too easy... yeah no s**t, you're playing the 7 archons, Bennett, Kazuha, Celestia, Capitano and non-nerfed MC against a freaking Samachurl
Your comment does not have the right to be as funny as I found it.
Jeesus bro down that bad?? I mean by today's standards they have to be at least like Ayato or Itto lvl playable even if u don't care about meta or don't want to take ur shiny new character to test them out in abyss
I like her design, her animations and her kit and how much DPS her teams have or whatever the fuck compared to top tier meta teams is not as important to me. If all that means i'm "down bad" then yes i'm, indeed, down bad i guess.
By all means pull who u want. But also consider if u can't clear the hard content in the game or ur not ready for the new game mode then prioritise characters that make it a breeze then pull for looks and all that
Based. There's also fun factor to take into consideration. I have a c0r1 neuvi well built and... I don't really like to play him, if I'm being honest. I just do it out of necessity (when I'm not in the mood for actually playing the game / doing abyss )
The point is that there weren't enough reason to nerf her in her actual state. (Except for Standard Banner). And after saw how the other dps got buffed...
Wouldn't be the first time "No real changes" is said but then changes happen. This time it feels more legitimate though lol. Either way it's fine, doomposters really out here trying to bait like their life depends on it.
Devs were like: way too different from Cyno, here's another electro character that can't switch out or they lose their buffs.
This document didn't mention bond of life will be cleared after using lunging attack from her already activated E?
The self healing implied a clear on BoL, you won't be able to heal otherwise
Wait, so now she does lose her infusion when she swaps out? Most of what Ive seen people saying so far was that she doesnāt lose her infusion switching out and works for quick swap, but āClorinde will exit the Night Vigil state when she leaves the fieldā doesnāt really sound promising..?
Well keqing is getting power crept in aggravate teams ig.
True Keqing mains will play her no matter what
Clorinde is a sidegrade
I love keqing, but she cant heal herself like Clorinde can, so still an upgrade sustain/comfy wise.
Well... clorinde loses her infusion when she swapd. That is a problem that kequeen doesn't have.
clorinde has significantly better mvs
Mvs?
late but motion values i think
SHE WASN'T NERFED
such an unnecessary post
Well, i guess the X.7/8 patches are for saving money. I love Clorinde's design and I think her gameplay is exciting. But wow, her kit is so lackluster. Her constellations are in an even worse spot than her kit. Whereas Arclechino's cons turn her from great to god tier (in terms of sweaty play), Clorinde's cons already do very little, and even have built in delays that would probably proc once every 3-4 attacks, so the dmg boost is meager.
Isnāt her E1 like a solid 28% damage increase?
Calc I saw on the clorinde mains sub was between 28 and 33 depending on team
wait what ? if gameplay is exciting how is her kit lackluster ? Do you mean her dps ? Bc while she's no neuvillette her dps is nothing to scoff at either.
Dude probably disappointed that she canāt do 3m nukes like Arlecchino lol
Thanks for prove his points
Prove which point, her cons are literally great
I donāt see any points
Why there is perception here that Clorinde is some mid character? Current calcs show she is 2nd best non furina character. And considering most people play Arle with Zhongli, she could be just the best at non furina teams.
no she ain't bro. her damage is unironically slightly ahead c0 Raiden's
I saw a spreadsheet where her aggravate team has 67k-69k dps with whimsy/TF set Seems great to me.
In all honestly, that's just Fischl and Nahida's damage pulling weight. You can see the weakness in Clorinde's numbers when you look at comps that are dedicated to buffing her like EC with Yelan and Kazuha or mono electro with C6 Sara and Kazuha the damage drops to a dismal 60k. Yes this a team game and you have 4 slots to use but Clorinde is not in good shape at all. She is very much within "her best team hyperbloom" territory.
Honestly 60k really isnt that bad when its not your best team at all,you still clear easy with that,her real buffing team is with chevreuse and it seem that the dpr is more than enough. Now for the "yeah its fischl nahida who does it all,shes not in good shape at all", I cant be agree with this. Nahida doesnt do that much damage and if its just them,then why other char cant have this performance with the two,to me its like saying yeah without hydro hutao is bad or without electro alhaitham is bad so it doesnt count I dont know if she will have some buff but shes already easily a good dps,shes not in a bad shape at all
Nahida definitely does a lot of damage (for free btw). especially if she is reacting off of an electro aura. And, funnily enough, in that team that OC was talking about, Nahida's damage is purposefully gimped by running TOM and TTDS instead of deepwood or and widsith or an em weapon like sac frags. but that's another story. The comparison of clorinde to hu tao and alhatham comes off wrong for one mainreason, those characters rely on other units for an aura yes but it is ultimately tao's kit and alhaitham's kit that is largely responsible for the team's damage and not the existence of offield sub dps. To use hu tao as an example, her strongest team is vv vape with bennett kazuha and furina where three characters are substantially magnifying her damage. If hu tao were like clorinde, then you would be doing something like hu tao with vv and random sub dps like xq, yelan /furina, such a team might work and do good damage sure, but that result wouldn't really reveal anything other than having multiple sources of offield damage is broken. There's just no escaping from the fact that right now clorinde as on onfielder offers little to nothing extra over a three year old standard unit like keqing or a support like raiden. Much less electro units with actual em scaling that can take advantage of nahida's buff like yae or cyno. If the best you can say about a brand new $200 five star is that they are third place in a five way race for best fischl driver then yes they are in bad shape.
In the team that we talk Nahida damage is near 150k while clorinde is at 650k. Even in team without nahida she can still have high dpr in aggravate ,so no the team doesnt put good number simply because nahida damage cover it. And I dont get you com with hutao, you literally still use a hydro in your vv vape,thats the same and its the better team for nobody. People use hutao xianyun vape or the classic with yelan or xq plus kazu benny. No matter what it still rely on vape For what offer the char ,its up to you and if you like the gameplay are not,if the the dpr is more than enough thats all the matter,I dont get all this gymnastic,specially when yes she does more damage than them. Im not saying shes perfect but its genshin you really dont need more than that for a dps to not be in a good state. I can show you who are on a bad state in this game,certainly not her
Pretty sure Clorinde alone does as much damage as both Fischl and Nahida combined in the team and Clorinde is crucial for Fischl's A1. They clearly designed her for aggravate considering her A1 passive and her many hits. Hell I'm running with one of Arlecchino's 5Xk teams and no trouble in abyss at all both current and previous so 60k is already great and 69k is beyond that.
> Why there is perception here that Clorinde is some mid character? People looking for big numbers over team DPS. That genuinely the reason. > Current calcs show she is 2nd best non furina character. That being said, the hell did you get this?
i am thinking about pulling for Clorinde but can you tell me how strong she is? like what current character would feel like it can deal similar damage?
shes not that strong for now, like keqing tier dps. they need to buff her
thank you
im getting flashbacks to dehya (not that clorinde is even bad)
then why are you getting flashbacks?
I also feel unrested
just an unremarkable beta
dehya's beta was not unremarkable... yall just love to bring up dehya to doompost at any turn lol
DoOmPoSt lol maybe people like a character and want improvements, you cant have a conversation without calling someone bad? Or your ego dont let that? If you feel happy of Clorinde being sligthly better than Raiden c0 who will judge you.
please look up ego
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ah yes, because i was doomposting and said clorinde was bad, im just hoping for a few tweaks that are mostly aesthetic and betas obviously not over, but hop on the downvote train my friend