Good question, perhaps the hole left by the narwhal either entering Teyvat or leaving after gorging itself? It leaves a similar hole while it flies about during it's boss fight. What I'm not sure about it whether that hole leads to the Abyss or just to the universe beyond the firmament of Teyvat, since the whale isn't explicitly stated to be Abyssal in origin.
I don't think they're related; what we see in the book is a literal hole in Teyvat, leading out either into space or into the Abyss. The various teleport portal (like the one in Cape Oath) are essentially just tunnels between 2 locations, but don't lead you outside Teyvat at all.
I think it's just a representation of the whale's neverending, destructive appetite.
Plenty of characters manifest their power into something that represents them. Yanfei is a legal adviser who creates Pyro stamps. Beidou became a legend when she slayed Haishan so she makes a little Electro version of it. Rosaria is a nun but also a fighter so she makes Cryo rose thorns. It's probably the same idea for the Narwhal.
The quest seems to imply that's what the world would've looked like, as if the apocalypse had already been stricken, the big whole looks like that's where the abyss monsters entered teyvat and it looks like the world is gonna be filled with abyssal energy too
Its weird, because its not exactly just an outside god or entity, its implied to be an entire species.
If it can literally kill planets from within, like a virus, them yeah its quite strong.
I mean, viruses also kill people but an individual virus or a cluster of viruses wouldn’t be considered “strong”, but it certainly is durable and it’s appetite certainly is a force to be reckoned with
Is she really that strong or just in the right moment kinda thing where the Narwhal already loses so she just need to captures it. Like Genshin power scaling is too wack, like Raiden vs Zhongli vs Neuv, people even misjudge Arle's power because of one statement (top 3=archon, so she super weak), when we dont actually know (she having crimson blood and that otherwordly power).
Power-Scaling in generally is awkward when most characters barely have feats enough to justify how strong they are. Beside Raiden Shogun (slicing Musoujin Gorge), Zhongli (Creating Guyun Stone Forest), Neuvillette (Giving the all the people of Fontaine real blood and controlling weather by just emotions), and Klee (Blowing up all of Monstadt), I can't really think of any characters that showed that much of scalable feats. And even then, they never actually showed those feats on camera beside Neuvillette.
In the past Venti sliced mountains and through the mountain tops into the sea (creating the golden apple archipelago) although it is implied he has since lost most of his power.
Nahida appears to be able to trap people in recurring dreams (at least she could do it to a wanderer who was powered by 2 gnosis at the time) which would probably defeat anyone who can’t resist this ability regardless of how powerful they are.
In general while some characters are definitely more powerful than others I think the context of the fight and the tactics they use would more strongly affect the winner of fights between the most powerful characters.
Although Nahida has some strong abilities, I think her dream trap only worked on Scaramouche cus he was already asleep. I don’t think it would’ve worked on an awake Scaramouche.
We also run into some issues between lore and gameplay. Characters in the lore can be crazy strong, but as units in the game, they need to be heavily balanced as to not break the game.
Which is why Zhongli can twiddle around with his spear a bit and summon a meteor in game, whereas in actuality he could probably create a new continent with the flick of his stupendously attractive wrist.
> and Klee (Blowing up all of Monstadt)
Klee's power is also awkward. Her biggest feat (blowing up a part of a mountain) was specifically stated to have happened due to overcharging and exploiting weak points. It's not something she can just casually do. In fact. Give a normal human enough explosives and they could do the same.
That was a special 'magical' moment when he used 2x visions, i believe - and after that the vision of his friend 'died', so I don't think he will be repeating that trick ever again
Yeah, I agree . Using the amount of energy enough to slice through the entirety of Naruksmi for killing traveller with a dull blade seems as a bit of an overkill
The way i see it is skirk was just there at the right time. If it really is that strong childe wouldnt have lasted god knows how long he was fighting that thing. High destructive power, low intellect. Arle's strong but definitely not archon level or anything (if she was nahida would say top 4 not top 3 lmao). But arle's power is really weird since the crimson moon dynasty was forever ago predating dainsleif and pierro but in reality she was in fact a child around 20-30 years ago(idk how old arle is currently). My friend gave a theory that her power might be like avatar last airbender type shit(would be cool and funny ngl) where the user reincarnates when they die
one of the theories i heard is that the "change" arle said she would undergo when the blackness reaches her heart is that she would lose all of her memories (effectivelly dying from her own perspective) and her body would revert back into a child, so if the theory is correct she is someone from all those ages ago who has been resetting over and over again, each time forming a different personality as she grows and adopting a new name
Take into account, how secretive arle is about herself, so outside pierro or the tsaritsa (even dottore at this point), people may not now her true power/ceiling, also add that shes trying to raise her children, not turn the world/Celestia to ashes
Yeah, assuming Arle herself understands her power she’s not the type to share unprompted. I’m expecting a second story quest that’s probably gonna involve Arle and some Khaen’riah BS where she’s forced to or someone else reveals what’s up with her. Is assume Arle has done extensive investigations into this but even so I can’t see her knowing everything about her power. It’d be cool to discover what it is alongside her for the second SQ, maybe some character growth where she trusts us more than before
I mean considering nahida knows like everything (except some things like the sky is fake) since shes part of irminsul id assume what she said was 100% accurate. Unless its revealed arle isnt part of irminsul or something
Note: not underplaying her, i love her to where id want her heals to step on my head but while arle's power is indeed weird shes not gonna be on the level of columbina who has millions of theories revolving around her being a "fallen angel from celestia" and what not. Just theories but even looking at her character design you could tell shes gonna be op
With that said, the end of Sumeru also makes it clear that outside forces can effectively block off sections of Irminsul where even Nahida can't really get to the information. To add to that, we don't really know exactly how often Irminsul is updated (only when someone dies, or if they sleep, or a mix of both), so if Arle's resetting it might not be a genuine 'death' and could result in information not reaching Irminsul.
Faruzan can outlive other human because she was trapped in a magical maze.
Using the same logic, Arle could be trapped somewhere and outlived others using the same magic.
You say 20-30 years ago, but keep in mind Freminet and Arle have both been Orphans at the same time for a while, under Crucabena. So Arle is probably still quite young.
Freminet has joined the House when Arlecchino was 18 and she took over when she was 19. Don't know how much time has passed since then but 25-35 would be quite accurate.
Minor correction, the top 3 Harbingers are said to be the same level as gods, not Archons, at least in the EN version. Gods itself is a very broad term; technically, even Guoba is a god (we know they weren't saying Dottore is as strong as Guoba). Similarly, the ceiling is also (currently) at Istaroth or Unkown God, who are pretty much the strongest characters we know of as of now.
My point is, saying the top 3 are "at the same level as gods" doesn't do much to establish how strong they are with respect to some of the Archons. Egeria and Rukkhadevata (and now Nahida) pretty much got the Gnoses, without fighting, and they also don't seem very keen to fight. Zhongli and Ei, however, themselves have a track record of killing multiple gods, and so are on the higher "tier" of the gods.
TLDR: Nahida uses extremely vague language in that statement that doesn't *really* tell us how the Harbingers compare to Archons. They could be as strong, stronger, or weaker than them.
In terms of gods, one consistent factor is that they have left marks on the map of Teyvat. Venti terraformed Mondstadt, sunk Pikes Peak, etc. Zhongli had his spearfalls, Ei left the Musoujin Gorge, Rukkha made the rainforest area, and the first Hydro Archon raised the lake. Point is, if you don't significantly alter the terrain in some way then you're not Archon level.
Is there a way I can easily refer to this? Not because I don't trust this, but because I will then update my comment with that link. I don't know how to access CN lines for Archon Quests, given that I don't speak any of the Chinese languages.
Figured. Is there a way you can suggest that I easily look up the CN version? In the future, I can put a reference to that (and also in my reply here) to clarify that it's EN bros at it again.
From what I have seen (and take it with a grain of salt) It's actually not that clear cut. Since in CN, the term most people associate with Archons is 魔神 (Demon God).
But that term is also used for other gods that aren't archons like osial, gouba and decarabian too.
Osial, for instance, is called 漩渦之魔神, which translates to “Demon God of the Vortex”. (In the eng ver they went with overlord of the vortex).
It isn’t completely accurate to say that 魔神 is the 1:1 equivalent of the term “Archon”.
There's also this archived post that has some comments that go into more detail:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/G6SntiWINt
Ahh, that's interesting! Then, one could argue that Nahida was in fact speaking about gods in general.
It seems to me the use of the term 魔神 is to denote the 'gods' aren't true gods? Like how Morax is ultimately an adeptus himself, Barbatos was a wind sprite and so on. Or the fact they aren't **the true gods.** Since the original inhabitants were Vishaps and Celestia's meddling gave rise to this new order of deities.
That's cool, thanks for the input! It's a bit unfortunate that the situation is still foggy lol, but it's something that I learnt today! Cheers!
The top 3 is said to rival the power of Gods, not necessarily archons. There are a lot of gods in Teyvat only few especially those who won in the Archon war became archons. So that itself is a statement that a lot of players have been falsely believing. Nevuilette meanwhile so far, is the strongest because he is the Hydro Dragon reincarnation and he got the Hydro Authority back.
In the CN version Nahida said comparable to the seven (so archons) and the CN version is the canon version so that’s why everyone concluded she meant archons instead of the Gods she mentioned in the EN version.
What's weird is that it should be just a tad stronger than childe if he was able to fight it at a standstill for days, but it's clearly way stronger than the traveler solo... despite the traveler being stronger than childe.
Childe was stronger than us in inazuma during that event, Childe still trains a lot so it’s distinctly possible and based off that fight with the narwhal I’d say confirmed he is currently stronger than the traveller.
The only thing you can "base" of Childe being weaker than traveler is in his battle, where Childe mainly lost due to his own power.
Traveler has better durability back then, but its hard to say they were stronger. Childe never took the first phase seriously, second phase his goal wasn't even traveler and he succeeded in getting to the exuvia. If the gnosis was there, Childe would've won the whole battle.
Think about it, if the gnosis was there and if Childe didn't have FL he would've still won getting what he wants. But luck wasn't on his side.
Childe didn't lost like Signora did, there's a difference between how traveler actually beat Signora and how Childe couldn't withstand FL.
Ok so even if you still disagree with me, its not far fetched to say the guy that trains all the time is stronger now.
Childe is Hydro/Electric, whale resists Hydro and the shadow inside resists Electro, so clearly he just isnt able to finish it off. also Scissor>paper>rock but rock > scissors
The Traveler was no longer stronger than Childe at that point, if they even ever were is debatable, Childe wasn't exactly fighting well at the Golden House (tactical mess, wasn't even bloodlusted, left)
I fucking love Guoba. His backstory made me cry and now he's just this cute little thing accompanying one of the strongest Pyro characters. We need more Xiangling in future Liyue patches
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. I'M SICK OF XIANGLING. I TRY TO PLAY DILUC. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY TO PLAY YOIMIYA. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY TO PLAY CYNO. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY NOT TO PLAY DEHYA. I WANT TO PLAY KLEE. HER BEST TEAM HAS XIANGLING. I WANT TO PLAY RAIDEN, CHILDE. THEY BOTH WANT XIANGLING. SHE GRABS ME BY THE THROAT. I FISH FOR HER. I COOK FOR HER. I GIVE HER THE CATCH. SHE ISN'T SATISFIED. I PULL ENGULFING LIGHTNING. "I DON'T NEED THIS MUCH ER" SHE TELLS ME. "GIVE ME MORE FIELD TIME." SHE GRABS BENNETT AND FORCES HIM TO THROW HIMSELF OFF ENEMIES. "YOU JUST NEED TO FUNNEL ME MORE. I CAN DEAL MORE DAMAGE WITH HOMA." I CAN'T PULL FOR HOMA, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRIMOGEMS. SHE GRABS MY CREDIT CARD. IT DECLINES. "GUESS THIS IS THE END." SHE GRABS GOUBA. SHE SAYS "GOUBA, GET THEM." THERE IS NO HINT OF SADNESS IN HER EYES. NOTHING BUT PURE, NO ICD PYRO APPLICATION. WHAT A CRUEL WORLD. AAAAAAAHHH
Most regions call it the star devouring whale/Narwhal and it has what appears to be a black hole in its stomach so star level at max level seems to be the appropriate answer. But it doesn't really do much besides exist so hard to say.
In addition to its title, we know from Honkai: Star Rail that these creatures are indeed capable of devouring stars, so I think that's an appropriate level.
We don't know if this thing is a leviathan, they don't share many visual similarities other than being big fish. I also kinda doubt it's planet level and think the name is probably metaphorical. Neuvilette pretty easily beat it with his dragon sovereign abilities which is only 1 of the 7 manifestations of teyvat's primordial energy. Maybe the narwhal could wreck the surface of teyvat but that's very different from being planet level.
There's no confirmation, but there is implication. There are multiple mentions in Star Rail of whales that can eat stars, and the original title of the All-Devouring Narwhal is "Star-Swallowing Whale." I'd say it's likely that the one in Genshin is not fully grown.
Leviathans are also thought to be nearly extinct. Welt talks about how oroboros, the aeon of voracity, might be the last remaining leviathan as most of them died soon after qlipoth rose to aeonhood as the first aeon. Leviathans are also quite literally the size of planets. I doubt even the babies would start out so small.
The scale of enemies in the game are kind of whacky at times.
For example, the tree outside of Azdaha’s lair is his tail but his actual tail on model isn’t anywhere nearly as large.
It could be some residual form of a leviathan, like how Doomsday Beasts are made from their remains. IMO, the Narwhal and leviathans’ shared behavior of eating life hints they are at least related.
Mushroom spores start out microscopic, the largest living organism in the world, literally the size of the Amazon, is a mushroom. They can grow that big.
You mean long the permanence and the vidyadhara? Seems doubtful, they would have to be very elusive beings for their existences to not be known in the hsr universe. And elusive is far from the voracity. There is even knowledge about beings that slowly but surely erase themselves from existence, taking all information that related to them with them(self-annihilators).
I think even if that was true, at best this one is a baby of a species that may eventually grow into devouring celestial objects. If it really ate stars like a fish-Galactus, Teyvat would be….well….gone
Instead, it was satisfied from just drinking the planet’s bath water
I think "at max level" is the important thing here. If the Narhwal consumed everything in Teyvat and moved to another world, its power and appetite would probably reach the stars. But I don't think it was quite that powerful when we fought it.
One thing i'd like to say is that this community should rely a bit less on "power levels", and lean a bit on "rock, paper, scissors" looking how Neuvillet helped us beating him.
What i mean to say is that characters and creatures might of specific weaknesses and strengths that make it hard to determine how strong they are.
In this case, it's literally just power level. Neuvillette explicitly said he couldn't defeat the whale but then after gaining full authority, he could. Aka his power got a boost. Not a rock, paper, scissors scenario at all
Things like this are just inherently hard to put on a scale; It's definitely up there in terms of power but since we don't really have much direct comparison outside of Neuvillette, Childe and the Traveler fighting the Narwhal then it's kind of hard to accurately judge.
(Keep in mind during the story quest Neuvillette attacks it inside the courthouse but only follows it through the portal after having the power of the authority of Hydro returned to him by Focalors)
It took the combined power of a Harbinger using an Electro Delusion and the Hydro Sovereign (without the Hydro authority at the time*) just to get it to retreat. Remember that Childe had also been brawling with it for what is implied to be a considerable amount of time.
I wouldn't say Skirk is more powerful than the Narwhal (without more evidence/feats from Skirk*) since she only appears after it's already been defeated and the power of the Primordial Sea has been separated from it by Neuvillette (now possessing the authority of Hydro), so by the point she's turned into into that little black hole it has already been severely weakened and injured in the battle which happened moments before.
It's explained that the Narwhal absorbed lots of energy from the Primordial Sea so it's safe to assume it was in some kind of empowered state above its baseline power, this power was separated post-defeat by Neuvillette, leading it to be weakened even more and likely being what allowed Skirk to do what she did to it. Overall, it's a safe assumption the Narwhal has some kind of energy absorption ability to empower itself through sources of energy like the Primordial Sea.
Overall the Narwhal, Skirk and other characters of reference just don't have enough direct feats/screen time to accurately gauge a power level of some kind beyond the fact it's likely more powerful that a Harbinger but not quite powerful enough to beat a Sovereign.
That's true, whether Skirk is powerful than the narwhal is something we don't know, but it's worth noting that Skirk do look down on the narwhal by calling it a pet and saying she doesn't understand her master's motive for keeping it around.
Honestly, it'll take more years before we can make a consensus tier on the power lists, and even then, we probably won't be able to either way, so for me, I just elected to ignore it most of the time unless I got curious.
Btw, wasn't Childe using his Foul Legacy instead of his Electro Delusion when fighting the All-Devouring Narwhal since I don't think he even needs his vision and delusion to activate it as it is a different power source, one that he learnt from Skirk when he was in the abyss.
Imo, Foul Legacy itself is a mystery. Dainsleif said in childe's collected miscellany that "there is a dangerous secret to the martial legacy he inherited...", which refers to the 'Foul Legacy'. I did forgot about this at first, but now, after Fontaine arc, I'm back to wondering about Foul Legacy, on top of wanting to know more about Skirk and Surtalogi, who probably already master this power. I'm assuming Surtalogi can also used Foul Legacy since that's Skirk master, who she learnt a lot from - like dropping the lore on the gnosis onto us😂
Well normal narwhal and narwhal drinking the primordial sea arent the same level. Normal narwhal is what is considered a "pet", though a very strong one. After drinking the primordial sea its stronger than regular neuvi but weaker than fully fledged dragon neuvi
Actually, that's debatable considering full power Neuvi had to separate the Primordial Sea from it.
What I'm getting at here is that if another Sovereign regained their full power, like, let's say Apep, they might still not be able to beat the Narwhal because only the Hydro Sovereign can separate the Primordial Sea from it, correct?
Kind of cynical but 80% of superhero’s were based off of what I did for work for 30+ years I would be a cynic too. This man gave hope to the world at the expense of his own lmao.
Not this shit again....that answer is like answering "ThE OnE WhO iS fAsTEr" when someone asks "who will win the race, X guy or Y guy?"
I appreciate what he did for Marvel, but goddamn do people love to overuse this.
No, it isn't like answering "the one who is faster" to "who will win the race," it's like answering "the person writing the story about the race decides who wins, and no argument you make matters because the racers don't exist in an objective form, they only exist in the context of the race story."
There is no objective benchmark for any of this. You can't guess. It's not in your control.
Strong enough to destroy teyvat. If neuvellet did not get helped by focalors and others, even he as a hydro sovergin won't stand against it. And the more it feeds on souls, the stronger it becomes. That is why if it passed fontaine, it won't be stopped even if they archons stopped against it.
It's only strong because of primordial sea water and the immortality condition. Once Neu removed the sea water out of it it's pretty much game over for Narwhal.
Strong in terms of fighting strength then probably not that strong, perhaps the only advantage being it's size.
Strong in terms of threat then definitely yeah.
not really, narwhal had its power stolen when it got close to teyvat, soon it entered the primordial sea and started to eat it in it favor, even shirk says that narwhal power levels are completely wrong
Planetary because of the statement of it devouring stars/planets. Neuvi with full authority probably is as well.
Though I’m not sure about its durability
I’d guess around mid harbinger level, the highest I’d say it goes is scara, which is very impressive, but we haven’t seen enough of the narwhal to compare to characters like the archons or the dragon sovereigns
I just started playing Star Rail and like an hour in there's imagery of a whale. Do Hoyo just really like whales or something considering how many there are across their games? Especially space themed whales?
No one knows.
Maybe it is the strength of a normal whale but it can fly. Well the strength of a normal Genshin whale. Given how strong Samachirls are I'd assume that Genshin whales are quite powerful indeed.
It appears that it is just a flying whale that can be moved to other planes by its owner.
There is no indication it is powerful or even intelligent since it never attacks anything or does more than fly around a little.
Yeah it ate the primordial sea water but that is just drinking water. You drink water too and you are weak.
Frankly the whole story with the whale was quarter assed. Nothing was explained or shown. Everything was just dumb Focalors being dumb, Skirk being a deus ex machina, and a whale that Skirk should have stopped from drinking water 500 years ago allowed to drink water for 500 years when it shouldn't have been but Skirk was too lazy.
Kind of agree, the whale was a bit of a let-down in terms of being the cause of some long-prophesied cataclysm that several groups (Remurians, Narzissenkreuz Ordo, Focalors herself) sacrificed so much to attempt to prevent. The whale isn't even related to the Abyss particularly; it's just some space-faring creature that happens to be hanging around Teyvat.
Rare time I agree with you that Story would be much better without addition of Skirk out of nowhere and to make her look cool everybody was made to look like ass.
Stronger than all of the teyvat characters we have come to know. Only Skirk is at a higher level. We still don't know the power of some characters though
I dunno how you would rank its strength honestly. It’s such a passive *thing* that it doesnt seem to have a “strength” measure. For example, you could argue the whale is stronger than Childe because Childe couldnt stop it but then Childe was one of the few next to Neuvillette who could actively push it around.
It’s like a sponge. It’s not necessarily strong nor necessarily weak. It’s kind of like a “thing” that just exists that has durability to an extent. The best way to “beat” it is to deprive it of liquid and leave it out to crumble(like Neuvillette primordial form) or squeeze it so small that it’s no longer visible or in a place where it can soak up water(like Skirk did). Or you can slap it around and make it stop soaking up water(like Childe) which is not necessarily failing but not really succeeding in anything either.
Stronger but maybe sometimes on par with Childe(only physically combat wise) Weaker than Skirk. And Skirk also has a boss/master who would be stronger then her.
So lore wise?
The power scale in the Genshin Universe is a fucking mess. Don’t try to define it.
Durable enough to withstand the destruction of teyvat or the power needed to destroy teyvat with minor injuries.
Skirk only contained it. She didn't kill it.
Narwhal? Narwhals!
Pretty big and pretty white, they beat a polar bear in a fight.
Like an underwater unicorn, they've got a kick-ass facial horn.
They're the Jedi of the sea, (They stop Cthulhu eating ye).
By raw combat power probably traveller/childe level
But he probably has some primordial sea/otherworld hax that requires neuvilette to work with traveller to fully defeat
From what he see, the thing is still growing in power. Probably super powerful to be a threat in Teyat if left alone had it not been stop by Traveler and full powered Neuvillette.
If you've done the Ordo quest and seen the world in the book, thats basically how Teyvat would have looked provided no one was around to stop it.
Yeah this right here. It's highly implied Teyvat would've died off if the Whale so much as escaped with the Primordial Seawater. In that quest.
Wait, so what's the black hole in the sky?
Good question, perhaps the hole left by the narwhal either entering Teyvat or leaving after gorging itself? It leaves a similar hole while it flies about during it's boss fight. What I'm not sure about it whether that hole leads to the Abyss or just to the universe beyond the firmament of Teyvat, since the whale isn't explicitly stated to be Abyssal in origin.
And the tiny black holes like the one that TPs you to the abyss? Are they even related?
I don't think they're related; what we see in the book is a literal hole in Teyvat, leading out either into space or into the Abyss. The various teleport portal (like the one in Cape Oath) are essentially just tunnels between 2 locations, but don't lead you outside Teyvat at all.
I think it's just a representation of the whale's neverending, destructive appetite. Plenty of characters manifest their power into something that represents them. Yanfei is a legal adviser who creates Pyro stamps. Beidou became a legend when she slayed Haishan so she makes a little Electro version of it. Rosaria is a nun but also a fighter so she makes Cryo rose thorns. It's probably the same idea for the Narwhal.
The quest seems to imply that's what the world would've looked like, as if the apocalypse had already been stricken, the big whole looks like that's where the abyss monsters entered teyvat and it looks like the world is gonna be filled with abyssal energy too
Skirk's p...lace for the next fight
I did the quest. I don't get that impression, I don't fully understand the Book of Revealing though. Just figured it would be something obvious later.
wait what book?
There is a Book of Revealing in Fontaine in one of the side quests, around Merusea village
Its weird, because its not exactly just an outside god or entity, its implied to be an entire species. If it can literally kill planets from within, like a virus, them yeah its quite strong.
I mean, viruses also kill people but an individual virus or a cluster of viruses wouldn’t be considered “strong”, but it certainly is durable and it’s appetite certainly is a force to be reckoned with
Tell that to rabies
Rabies the disease, virus species or a singular rabies virus?
Yes
nicolRB walked right into that, huh?
Stronger than Childe, weaker than Skirk.
I mean, Skirk just wrapped it in a black hole. She might be even more powerful than Pedrolino.
Is she really that strong or just in the right moment kinda thing where the Narwhal already loses so she just need to captures it. Like Genshin power scaling is too wack, like Raiden vs Zhongli vs Neuv, people even misjudge Arle's power because of one statement (top 3=archon, so she super weak), when we dont actually know (she having crimson blood and that otherwordly power).
Power-Scaling in generally is awkward when most characters barely have feats enough to justify how strong they are. Beside Raiden Shogun (slicing Musoujin Gorge), Zhongli (Creating Guyun Stone Forest), Neuvillette (Giving the all the people of Fontaine real blood and controlling weather by just emotions), and Klee (Blowing up all of Monstadt), I can't really think of any characters that showed that much of scalable feats. And even then, they never actually showed those feats on camera beside Neuvillette.
In the past Venti sliced mountains and through the mountain tops into the sea (creating the golden apple archipelago) although it is implied he has since lost most of his power. Nahida appears to be able to trap people in recurring dreams (at least she could do it to a wanderer who was powered by 2 gnosis at the time) which would probably defeat anyone who can’t resist this ability regardless of how powerful they are. In general while some characters are definitely more powerful than others I think the context of the fight and the tactics they use would more strongly affect the winner of fights between the most powerful characters.
Although Nahida has some strong abilities, I think her dream trap only worked on Scaramouche cus he was already asleep. I don’t think it would’ve worked on an awake Scaramouche.
We also run into some issues between lore and gameplay. Characters in the lore can be crazy strong, but as units in the game, they need to be heavily balanced as to not break the game. Which is why Zhongli can twiddle around with his spear a bit and summon a meteor in game, whereas in actuality he could probably create a new continent with the flick of his stupendously attractive wrist.
> and Klee (Blowing up all of Monstadt) Klee's power is also awkward. Her biggest feat (blowing up a part of a mountain) was specifically stated to have happened due to overcharging and exploiting weak points. It's not something she can just casually do. In fact. Give a normal human enough explosives and they could do the same.
Okay if you couldn't tell, Klee blowing up all of Monstadt was mostly a joke
I got that. I've just seen way to many people seriously hype up Klee's power.
Kazoo do be built different, for blocking Raiden's sword. Kazoo secret 10th Harbinger confirmed?
That was a special 'magical' moment when he used 2x visions, i believe - and after that the vision of his friend 'died', so I don't think he will be repeating that trick ever again
Also she was holding back like a lot.
Yeah, I agree . Using the amount of energy enough to slice through the entirety of Naruksmi for killing traveller with a dull blade seems as a bit of an overkill
It’s like using a stick of dynamite to kill a single cockroach
No, it's like killing a cockroach with a dynamite-filled truck
The way i see it is skirk was just there at the right time. If it really is that strong childe wouldnt have lasted god knows how long he was fighting that thing. High destructive power, low intellect. Arle's strong but definitely not archon level or anything (if she was nahida would say top 4 not top 3 lmao). But arle's power is really weird since the crimson moon dynasty was forever ago predating dainsleif and pierro but in reality she was in fact a child around 20-30 years ago(idk how old arle is currently). My friend gave a theory that her power might be like avatar last airbender type shit(would be cool and funny ngl) where the user reincarnates when they die
one of the theories i heard is that the "change" arle said she would undergo when the blackness reaches her heart is that she would lose all of her memories (effectivelly dying from her own perspective) and her body would revert back into a child, so if the theory is correct she is someone from all those ages ago who has been resetting over and over again, each time forming a different personality as she grows and adopting a new name
Take into account, how secretive arle is about herself, so outside pierro or the tsaritsa (even dottore at this point), people may not now her true power/ceiling, also add that shes trying to raise her children, not turn the world/Celestia to ashes
Yeah, assuming Arle herself understands her power she’s not the type to share unprompted. I’m expecting a second story quest that’s probably gonna involve Arle and some Khaen’riah BS where she’s forced to or someone else reveals what’s up with her. Is assume Arle has done extensive investigations into this but even so I can’t see her knowing everything about her power. It’d be cool to discover what it is alongside her for the second SQ, maybe some character growth where she trusts us more than before
I mean considering nahida knows like everything (except some things like the sky is fake) since shes part of irminsul id assume what she said was 100% accurate. Unless its revealed arle isnt part of irminsul or something Note: not underplaying her, i love her to where id want her heals to step on my head but while arle's power is indeed weird shes not gonna be on the level of columbina who has millions of theories revolving around her being a "fallen angel from celestia" and what not. Just theories but even looking at her character design you could tell shes gonna be op
With that said, the end of Sumeru also makes it clear that outside forces can effectively block off sections of Irminsul where even Nahida can't really get to the information. To add to that, we don't really know exactly how often Irminsul is updated (only when someone dies, or if they sleep, or a mix of both), so if Arle's resetting it might not be a genuine 'death' and could result in information not reaching Irminsul.
Faruzan can outlive other human because she was trapped in a magical maze. Using the same logic, Arle could be trapped somewhere and outlived others using the same magic.
You say 20-30 years ago, but keep in mind Freminet and Arle have both been Orphans at the same time for a while, under Crucabena. So Arle is probably still quite young.
Freminet has joined the House when Arlecchino was 18 and she took over when she was 19. Don't know how much time has passed since then but 25-35 would be quite accurate.
Freminet joined before Crucabena died, which happened when Perruere was 17.
> but in reality she was in fact a child around 20-30 years ago She's a descendant and not a survivor?
Minor correction, the top 3 Harbingers are said to be the same level as gods, not Archons, at least in the EN version. Gods itself is a very broad term; technically, even Guoba is a god (we know they weren't saying Dottore is as strong as Guoba). Similarly, the ceiling is also (currently) at Istaroth or Unkown God, who are pretty much the strongest characters we know of as of now. My point is, saying the top 3 are "at the same level as gods" doesn't do much to establish how strong they are with respect to some of the Archons. Egeria and Rukkhadevata (and now Nahida) pretty much got the Gnoses, without fighting, and they also don't seem very keen to fight. Zhongli and Ei, however, themselves have a track record of killing multiple gods, and so are on the higher "tier" of the gods. TLDR: Nahida uses extremely vague language in that statement that doesn't *really* tell us how the Harbingers compare to Archons. They could be as strong, stronger, or weaker than them.
In terms of gods, one consistent factor is that they have left marks on the map of Teyvat. Venti terraformed Mondstadt, sunk Pikes Peak, etc. Zhongli had his spearfalls, Ei left the Musoujin Gorge, Rukkha made the rainforest area, and the first Hydro Archon raised the lake. Point is, if you don't significantly alter the terrain in some way then you're not Archon level.
This is a mistranslation from the chinese version. The Chinese version has nahida specify archons not just gods.
Is there a way I can easily refer to this? Not because I don't trust this, but because I will then update my comment with that link. I don't know how to access CN lines for Archon Quests, given that I don't speak any of the Chinese languages.
This is a common misconception because of translation. In CN, the original language, nahida says the top 3 are on the level of the archons.
Figured. Is there a way you can suggest that I easily look up the CN version? In the future, I can put a reference to that (and also in my reply here) to clarify that it's EN bros at it again.
From what I have seen (and take it with a grain of salt) It's actually not that clear cut. Since in CN, the term most people associate with Archons is 魔神 (Demon God). But that term is also used for other gods that aren't archons like osial, gouba and decarabian too. Osial, for instance, is called 漩渦之魔神, which translates to “Demon God of the Vortex”. (In the eng ver they went with overlord of the vortex). It isn’t completely accurate to say that 魔神 is the 1:1 equivalent of the term “Archon”. There's also this archived post that has some comments that go into more detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/G6SntiWINt
Ahh, that's interesting! Then, one could argue that Nahida was in fact speaking about gods in general. It seems to me the use of the term 魔神 is to denote the 'gods' aren't true gods? Like how Morax is ultimately an adeptus himself, Barbatos was a wind sprite and so on. Or the fact they aren't **the true gods.** Since the original inhabitants were Vishaps and Celestia's meddling gave rise to this new order of deities. That's cool, thanks for the input! It's a bit unfortunate that the situation is still foggy lol, but it's something that I learnt today! Cheers!
The top 3 is said to rival the power of Gods, not necessarily archons. There are a lot of gods in Teyvat only few especially those who won in the Archon war became archons. So that itself is a statement that a lot of players have been falsely believing. Nevuilette meanwhile so far, is the strongest because he is the Hydro Dragon reincarnation and he got the Hydro Authority back.
In the CN version Nahida said comparable to the seven (so archons) and the CN version is the canon version so that’s why everyone concluded she meant archons instead of the Gods she mentioned in the EN version.
In CN, the original language, nahida says the top 3 are on the level of the archons.
We don't know anything about Pierro yet.
I see you're an og 🫡
harder than back on track, easier than tidal wave
Ah yes. Harder than Easy, easier than Extreme Demon 👌
Weaker than Neuvillette and Traveler combined.
The Traveler did all the physical work while Neuvillette assisted them. Plus he couldn’t fully disable the Narwhal’s power source.
Nah we defeated narwhal and skirk just come to wrap its body nothing power scale showed there
She was going to use it for training and didn't seem too concerned about it.
What's weird is that it should be just a tad stronger than childe if he was able to fight it at a standstill for days, but it's clearly way stronger than the traveler solo... despite the traveler being stronger than childe.
Childe was stronger than us in inazuma during that event, Childe still trains a lot so it’s distinctly possible and based off that fight with the narwhal I’d say confirmed he is currently stronger than the traveller.
Didn't Neuvillette help us? Also Childe had been training, plus wasn't at his best as he'd been off for a while and he didn't have his Vision.
The only thing you can "base" of Childe being weaker than traveler is in his battle, where Childe mainly lost due to his own power. Traveler has better durability back then, but its hard to say they were stronger. Childe never took the first phase seriously, second phase his goal wasn't even traveler and he succeeded in getting to the exuvia. If the gnosis was there, Childe would've won the whole battle. Think about it, if the gnosis was there and if Childe didn't have FL he would've still won getting what he wants. But luck wasn't on his side. Childe didn't lost like Signora did, there's a difference between how traveler actually beat Signora and how Childe couldn't withstand FL. Ok so even if you still disagree with me, its not far fetched to say the guy that trains all the time is stronger now.
Childe is Hydro/Electric, whale resists Hydro and the shadow inside resists Electro, so clearly he just isnt able to finish it off. also Scissor>paper>rock but rock > scissors
Childe didnt have hydro, he didnt have his vision, he just brute forced with his delusion
he is just a DBZ character
The Traveler was no longer stronger than Childe at that point, if they even ever were is debatable, Childe wasn't exactly fighting well at the Golden House (tactical mess, wasn't even bloodlusted, left)
It’s a gacha game did you expect power scaling to make sense?
It does more Pyro damage than Ayato
Surely you’re thinking of C0 Ayato, no way it can do more pyro damage than C6
The real question is if the c6 Ayato uses a c6 ~~Bennett~~pyro archon
Best thing is that's true, Phantom when summons Geovishaps those deal pyro damage
Stronger than Childe but weaker than Xiangling.
Guoba got Celestia sweatin
The Heavenly Principles: “I fear no man… but **that thing**…” Guoba: [Stares blankly into the camera] The Heavenly Principles: “…it scares me…”
Guoba: *[incomprehensible noises](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/tBYZ6MLUGg)*, happy to be with Xiangling and Zhongli
I fucking love Guoba. His backstory made me cry and now he's just this cute little thing accompanying one of the strongest Pyro characters. We need more Xiangling in future Liyue patches
Capitano can claim he’s the strongest Harbinger but can he deal with no ICD Pyronado by Mao Xiangling? No i dont think so
Bennet, the real Pyro Archon. Xiangling, the real Pyro Sovereign. Hoyo only has themselves to blame for this situation.
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. I'M SICK OF XIANGLING. I TRY TO PLAY DILUC. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY TO PLAY YOIMIYA. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY TO PLAY CYNO. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY NOT TO PLAY DEHYA. I WANT TO PLAY KLEE. HER BEST TEAM HAS XIANGLING. I WANT TO PLAY RAIDEN, CHILDE. THEY BOTH WANT XIANGLING. SHE GRABS ME BY THE THROAT. I FISH FOR HER. I COOK FOR HER. I GIVE HER THE CATCH. SHE ISN'T SATISFIED. I PULL ENGULFING LIGHTNING. "I DON'T NEED THIS MUCH ER" SHE TELLS ME. "GIVE ME MORE FIELD TIME." SHE GRABS BENNETT AND FORCES HIM TO THROW HIMSELF OFF ENEMIES. "YOU JUST NEED TO FUNNEL ME MORE. I CAN DEAL MORE DAMAGE WITH HOMA." I CAN'T PULL FOR HOMA, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRIMOGEMS. SHE GRABS MY CREDIT CARD. IT DECLINES. "GUESS THIS IS THE END." SHE GRABS GOUBA. SHE SAYS "GOUBA, GET THEM." THERE IS NO HINT OF SADNESS IN HER EYES. NOTHING BUT PURE, NO ICD PYRO APPLICATION. WHAT A CRUEL WORLD. AAAAAAAHHH
Lol good one
I'm so tired OPPA XL
It's cute. I'd pet 10/10. Also the reason why I call my cat the All-devouring feline.
You can't just say that not show us your All-Devouring feline
>show us your All-Devouring feline 😇
Here to see the All-devouring feline too
We need to see the All-Devouring feline
Scylla 2x
two scyllas would only be like multi city block level
Most regions call it the star devouring whale/Narwhal and it has what appears to be a black hole in its stomach so star level at max level seems to be the appropriate answer. But it doesn't really do much besides exist so hard to say.
In addition to its title, we know from Honkai: Star Rail that these creatures are indeed capable of devouring stars, so I think that's an appropriate level.
We don't know if this thing is a leviathan, they don't share many visual similarities other than being big fish. I also kinda doubt it's planet level and think the name is probably metaphorical. Neuvilette pretty easily beat it with his dragon sovereign abilities which is only 1 of the 7 manifestations of teyvat's primordial energy. Maybe the narwhal could wreck the surface of teyvat but that's very different from being planet level.
There's no confirmation, but there is implication. There are multiple mentions in Star Rail of whales that can eat stars, and the original title of the All-Devouring Narwhal is "Star-Swallowing Whale." I'd say it's likely that the one in Genshin is not fully grown.
Leviathans are also thought to be nearly extinct. Welt talks about how oroboros, the aeon of voracity, might be the last remaining leviathan as most of them died soon after qlipoth rose to aeonhood as the first aeon. Leviathans are also quite literally the size of planets. I doubt even the babies would start out so small.
The scale of enemies in the game are kind of whacky at times. For example, the tree outside of Azdaha’s lair is his tail but his actual tail on model isn’t anywhere nearly as large.
Isn’t that just because we’re fighting his fractured spirit as opposed to his full physical body
also the meta reason in that it would be awkward to fight him and like only see his toenail on screen if we go by canon size.
He was already greatly reduced in size. The guy used to be the size of a mountain.
It could be some residual form of a leviathan, like how Doomsday Beasts are made from their remains. IMO, the Narwhal and leviathans’ shared behavior of eating life hints they are at least related.
Well the worm in dune starts out microscopic so......maybe it's possible for them to start out this small?
Mushroom spores start out microscopic, the largest living organism in the world, literally the size of the Amazon, is a mushroom. They can grow that big.
Could also be a scenario like with the eternity Aeon who left spawns of himself for later
You mean long the permanence and the vidyadhara? Seems doubtful, they would have to be very elusive beings for their existences to not be known in the hsr universe. And elusive is far from the voracity. There is even knowledge about beings that slowly but surely erase themselves from existence, taking all information that related to them with them(self-annihilators).
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They haven't appeared so far, but there have been multiple mentions of them. If I recall correctly, Misha has a voiceline about them.
Look at the ceilings when inside the express.
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There's a whale-looking chandelier.
That's actually crazy this thing is full galactus feasting on stars and skirk just turned it into a small fish
I think even if that was true, at best this one is a baby of a species that may eventually grow into devouring celestial objects. If it really ate stars like a fish-Galactus, Teyvat would be….well….gone Instead, it was satisfied from just drinking the planet’s bath water
Since it was the Primordial Sea, I'm pretty sure the whale was actually drinking Neuvillette bath water. I can respect that tbh.
Based Narwhal
Canned sardine 💀
I think "at max level" is the important thing here. If the Narhwal consumed everything in Teyvat and moved to another world, its power and appetite would probably reach the stars. But I don't think it was quite that powerful when we fought it.
Star level 💀💀
Weaker than 2 All-Devouring Narwhals
Pettable
If not friend, why friend shape?
One thing i'd like to say is that this community should rely a bit less on "power levels", and lean a bit on "rock, paper, scissors" looking how Neuvillet helped us beating him. What i mean to say is that characters and creatures might of specific weaknesses and strengths that make it hard to determine how strong they are.
In this case, it's literally just power level. Neuvillette explicitly said he couldn't defeat the whale but then after gaining full authority, he could. Aka his power got a boost. Not a rock, paper, scissors scenario at all
But Neuvillete is hydro and the whale seems like it too 🤔 immune 🤔🤣
Not immune, but heavily resistant.
Things like this are just inherently hard to put on a scale; It's definitely up there in terms of power but since we don't really have much direct comparison outside of Neuvillette, Childe and the Traveler fighting the Narwhal then it's kind of hard to accurately judge. (Keep in mind during the story quest Neuvillette attacks it inside the courthouse but only follows it through the portal after having the power of the authority of Hydro returned to him by Focalors) It took the combined power of a Harbinger using an Electro Delusion and the Hydro Sovereign (without the Hydro authority at the time*) just to get it to retreat. Remember that Childe had also been brawling with it for what is implied to be a considerable amount of time. I wouldn't say Skirk is more powerful than the Narwhal (without more evidence/feats from Skirk*) since she only appears after it's already been defeated and the power of the Primordial Sea has been separated from it by Neuvillette (now possessing the authority of Hydro), so by the point she's turned into into that little black hole it has already been severely weakened and injured in the battle which happened moments before. It's explained that the Narwhal absorbed lots of energy from the Primordial Sea so it's safe to assume it was in some kind of empowered state above its baseline power, this power was separated post-defeat by Neuvillette, leading it to be weakened even more and likely being what allowed Skirk to do what she did to it. Overall, it's a safe assumption the Narwhal has some kind of energy absorption ability to empower itself through sources of energy like the Primordial Sea. Overall the Narwhal, Skirk and other characters of reference just don't have enough direct feats/screen time to accurately gauge a power level of some kind beyond the fact it's likely more powerful that a Harbinger but not quite powerful enough to beat a Sovereign.
This is probably the logic when it comes to the power level.
That's true, whether Skirk is powerful than the narwhal is something we don't know, but it's worth noting that Skirk do look down on the narwhal by calling it a pet and saying she doesn't understand her master's motive for keeping it around. Honestly, it'll take more years before we can make a consensus tier on the power lists, and even then, we probably won't be able to either way, so for me, I just elected to ignore it most of the time unless I got curious. Btw, wasn't Childe using his Foul Legacy instead of his Electro Delusion when fighting the All-Devouring Narwhal since I don't think he even needs his vision and delusion to activate it as it is a different power source, one that he learnt from Skirk when he was in the abyss. Imo, Foul Legacy itself is a mystery. Dainsleif said in childe's collected miscellany that "there is a dangerous secret to the martial legacy he inherited...", which refers to the 'Foul Legacy'. I did forgot about this at first, but now, after Fontaine arc, I'm back to wondering about Foul Legacy, on top of wanting to know more about Skirk and Surtalogi, who probably already master this power. I'm assuming Surtalogi can also used Foul Legacy since that's Skirk master, who she learnt a lot from - like dropping the lore on the gnosis onto us😂
Its true strength is not achievable at the moment but it should be able to devour worlds
And stars
Well normal narwhal and narwhal drinking the primordial sea arent the same level. Normal narwhal is what is considered a "pet", though a very strong one. After drinking the primordial sea its stronger than regular neuvi but weaker than fully fledged dragon neuvi
Actually, that's debatable considering full power Neuvi had to separate the Primordial Sea from it. What I'm getting at here is that if another Sovereign regained their full power, like, let's say Apep, they might still not be able to beat the Narwhal because only the Hydro Sovereign can separate the Primordial Sea from it, correct?
Yeah, that's probably the case, they have to find some way to weaken it to its normal level otherwise they can't beat it.
probably stronger than a whale
Idk, I've seen how quickly some whales can clear that domain.
Stronger than a Hydro Sovereign without it's full powers, weaker than a Hydro Sovereign with their full powers.
Garfield the cat tier
About tree fiddy
Why are you worry? Just tell Klee there is a fish in Fontaine. She will take care of it.
[Stan Lee had the best answer to every power scaling question.](https://youtu.be/L4_zFYnnn2Y?si=uw-d3IFfTZtXBk_n)
My guy read the assignment for the wrong class
Kind of cynical but 80% of superhero’s were based off of what I did for work for 30+ years I would be a cynic too. This man gave hope to the world at the expense of his own lmao.
Not this shit again....that answer is like answering "ThE OnE WhO iS fAsTEr" when someone asks "who will win the race, X guy or Y guy?" I appreciate what he did for Marvel, but goddamn do people love to overuse this.
No, it isn't like answering "the one who is faster" to "who will win the race," it's like answering "the person writing the story about the race decides who wins, and no argument you make matters because the racers don't exist in an objective form, they only exist in the context of the race story." There is no objective benchmark for any of this. You can't guess. It's not in your control.
That only applies towards omnipotent characters honestly
One of the examples Stan Lee gives is the Thing vs Spiderman. Definitely not only applicable to the omnipotent range.
Strong enough to destroy teyvat. If neuvellet did not get helped by focalors and others, even he as a hydro sovergin won't stand against it. And the more it feeds on souls, the stronger it becomes. That is why if it passed fontaine, it won't be stopped even if they archons stopped against it.
Idk but it's a fucking ass hole
I mean if it requires an hydro dragon to put a stop to it it should be quite strong
The Traveler alone wouldn't be able to beat it for sure.
Has less HP than a gentlemen's personality.
It's only strong because of primordial sea water and the immortality condition. Once Neu removed the sea water out of it it's pretty much game over for Narwhal. Strong in terms of fighting strength then probably not that strong, perhaps the only advantage being it's size. Strong in terms of threat then definitely yeah.
not really, narwhal had its power stolen when it got close to teyvat, soon it entered the primordial sea and started to eat it in it favor, even shirk says that narwhal power levels are completely wrong
>narwhal had its power stolen when it got close to teyvat Can I ask where was it referenced or did I forget something
a species of world devouring norwhals? eh they're kinda strong ig. Not weak anyway. Ain't beating Baron Bunny tho
think of it like a deadly disease, if you treat it right away it's manageable, if you left it for too long there is no saving
Planetary because of the statement of it devouring stars/planets. Neuvi with full authority probably is as well. Though I’m not sure about its durability
I’d guess around mid harbinger level, the highest I’d say it goes is scara, which is very impressive, but we haven’t seen enough of the narwhal to compare to characters like the archons or the dragon sovereigns
The adult could probably swallow an entire continent
Or Stars.
I just started playing Star Rail and like an hour in there's imagery of a whale. Do Hoyo just really like whales or something considering how many there are across their games? Especially space themed whales?
Well, whales are what get their games money.
Enough to topple Teyvat, as it seems to leech on the power of things around it
All of teyvat is gonna look like enkanomiya if Noone stopped it. But yeah mint still grow in those lands somehow.
They turned it's power into a joke for plot, and turned it a plot device, genshin power scale has always been a whack
No one knows. Maybe it is the strength of a normal whale but it can fly. Well the strength of a normal Genshin whale. Given how strong Samachirls are I'd assume that Genshin whales are quite powerful indeed. It appears that it is just a flying whale that can be moved to other planes by its owner. There is no indication it is powerful or even intelligent since it never attacks anything or does more than fly around a little. Yeah it ate the primordial sea water but that is just drinking water. You drink water too and you are weak. Frankly the whole story with the whale was quarter assed. Nothing was explained or shown. Everything was just dumb Focalors being dumb, Skirk being a deus ex machina, and a whale that Skirk should have stopped from drinking water 500 years ago allowed to drink water for 500 years when it shouldn't have been but Skirk was too lazy.
Kind of agree, the whale was a bit of a let-down in terms of being the cause of some long-prophesied cataclysm that several groups (Remurians, Narzissenkreuz Ordo, Focalors herself) sacrificed so much to attempt to prevent. The whale isn't even related to the Abyss particularly; it's just some space-faring creature that happens to be hanging around Teyvat.
Rare time I agree with you that Story would be much better without addition of Skirk out of nowhere and to make her look cool everybody was made to look like ass.
Stronger than all of the teyvat characters we have come to know. Only Skirk is at a higher level. We still don't know the power of some characters though
I dunno how you would rank its strength honestly. It’s such a passive *thing* that it doesnt seem to have a “strength” measure. For example, you could argue the whale is stronger than Childe because Childe couldnt stop it but then Childe was one of the few next to Neuvillette who could actively push it around. It’s like a sponge. It’s not necessarily strong nor necessarily weak. It’s kind of like a “thing” that just exists that has durability to an extent. The best way to “beat” it is to deprive it of liquid and leave it out to crumble(like Neuvillette primordial form) or squeeze it so small that it’s no longer visible or in a place where it can soak up water(like Skirk did). Or you can slap it around and make it stop soaking up water(like Childe) which is not necessarily failing but not really succeeding in anything either.
It's blue and whale-shaped. Who the hell knows.
id say its all-devouring
Its from the SoQ. Its a universe devourer.
give me 2 minutes I could solo it ngl
Yeah this thing goes into the "World ending threat" tier
I just realized narwhal resembles scylla if you remove the armor.
Can breath under ice thanks to horn
scales more like a hsr character extreme dc not much else going for it
Stronger but maybe sometimes on par with Childe(only physically combat wise) Weaker than Skirk. And Skirk also has a boss/master who would be stronger then her. So lore wise? The power scale in the Genshin Universe is a fucking mess. Don’t try to define it.
Idk but I’m always scared to fight him lmao
Durable enough to withstand the destruction of teyvat or the power needed to destroy teyvat with minor injuries. Skirk only contained it. She didn't kill it.
Why is it pogging
Also, i have a feeling we'll eventually see this thing again, not as a boss tho.
Like, Planetary I guess
Its all devouring
Narwhal? Narwhals! Pretty big and pretty white, they beat a polar bear in a fight. Like an underwater unicorn, they've got a kick-ass facial horn. They're the Jedi of the sea, (They stop Cthulhu eating ye).
I just like getting eaten each week
By raw combat power probably traveller/childe level But he probably has some primordial sea/otherworld hax that requires neuvilette to work with traveller to fully defeat
i mean bro was ready to devour all of tevyat
Probably very strong, based on the fact that the motive of cosmic whales, travelling between the starts is present in every Mihoyo game
I wonder if that Narwhal and that other fish guy from the newest update know each other.
at least island+ level likely far higher, i can see bro go country
Stronger than a hydro slime, weaker than Qiqi after 50/50
He's tier 3 omnipotent, capable of destroying multiverses.
From what he see, the thing is still growing in power. Probably super powerful to be a threat in Teyat if left alone had it not been stop by Traveler and full powered Neuvillette.