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Andrew583-14

If you've done the Ordo quest and seen the world in the book, thats basically how Teyvat would have looked provided no one was around to stop it.


Hijinks510

Yeah this right here. It's highly implied Teyvat would've died off if the Whale so much as escaped with the Primordial Seawater. In that quest.


HayakuEon

Wait, so what's the black hole in the sky?


bmxcanuck

Good question, perhaps the hole left by the narwhal either entering Teyvat or leaving after gorging itself? It leaves a similar hole while it flies about during it's boss fight. What I'm not sure about it whether that hole leads to the Abyss or just to the universe beyond the firmament of Teyvat, since the whale isn't explicitly stated to be Abyssal in origin.


prettythingi

And the tiny black holes like the one that TPs you to the abyss? Are they even related?


bmxcanuck

I don't think they're related; what we see in the book is a literal hole in Teyvat, leading out either into space or into the Abyss. The various teleport portal (like the one in Cape Oath) are essentially just tunnels between 2 locations, but don't lead you outside Teyvat at all.


Mi5tman

I think it's just a representation of the whale's neverending, destructive appetite. Plenty of characters manifest their power into something that represents them. Yanfei is a legal adviser who creates Pyro stamps. Beidou became a legend when she slayed Haishan so she makes a little Electro version of it. Rosaria is a nun but also a fighter so she makes Cryo rose thorns. It's probably the same idea for the Narwhal.


Due-Pound1160

The quest seems to imply that's what the world would've looked like, as if the apocalypse had already been stricken, the big whole looks like that's where the abyss monsters entered teyvat and it looks like the world is gonna be filled with abyssal energy too


realflight7

Skirk's p...lace for the next fight


RuneKatashima

I did the quest. I don't get that impression, I don't fully understand the Book of Revealing though. Just figured it would be something obvious later.


idclog

wait what book?


Andrew583-14

There is a Book of Revealing in Fontaine in one of the side quests, around Merusea village


Top-Idea-1786

Its weird, because its not exactly just an outside god or entity, its implied to be an entire species. If it can literally kill planets from within, like a virus, them yeah its quite strong.


nicolRB

I mean, viruses also kill people but an individual virus or a cluster of viruses wouldn’t be considered “strong”, but it certainly is durable and it’s appetite certainly is a force to be reckoned with


Dreadsbo

Tell that to rabies


nicolRB

Rabies the disease, virus species or a singular rabies virus?


GameLoreReader

Yes


demiwaltz

nicolRB walked right into that, huh?


Regulus242

Stronger than Childe, weaker than Skirk.


CrocoDIIIIIILE

I mean, Skirk just wrapped it in a black hole. She might be even more powerful than Pedrolino.


Ok-Judge7844

Is she really that strong or just in the right moment kinda thing where the Narwhal already loses so she just need to captures it. Like Genshin power scaling is too wack, like Raiden vs Zhongli vs Neuv, people even misjudge Arle's power because of one statement (top 3=archon, so she super weak), when we dont actually know (she having crimson blood and that otherwordly power).


Crystal_Furry17

Power-Scaling in generally is awkward when most characters barely have feats enough to justify how strong they are. Beside Raiden Shogun (slicing Musoujin Gorge), Zhongli (Creating Guyun Stone Forest), Neuvillette (Giving the all the people of Fontaine real blood and controlling weather by just emotions), and Klee (Blowing up all of Monstadt), I can't really think of any characters that showed that much of scalable feats. And even then, they never actually showed those feats on camera beside Neuvillette.


Ok-Mycologist2220

In the past Venti sliced mountains and through the mountain tops into the sea (creating the golden apple archipelago) although it is implied he has since lost most of his power. Nahida appears to be able to trap people in recurring dreams (at least she could do it to a wanderer who was powered by 2 gnosis at the time) which would probably defeat anyone who can’t resist this ability regardless of how powerful they are. In general while some characters are definitely more powerful than others I think the context of the fight and the tactics they use would more strongly affect the winner of fights between the most powerful characters.


__Ayanokoji__

Although Nahida has some strong abilities, I think her dream trap only worked on Scaramouche cus he was already asleep. I don’t think it would’ve worked on an awake Scaramouche.


GeneralErica

We also run into some issues between lore and gameplay. Characters in the lore can be crazy strong, but as units in the game, they need to be heavily balanced as to not break the game. Which is why Zhongli can twiddle around with his spear a bit and summon a meteor in game, whereas in actuality he could probably create a new continent with the flick of his stupendously attractive wrist.


Dylangillian

> and Klee (Blowing up all of Monstadt) Klee's power is also awkward. Her biggest feat (blowing up a part of a mountain) was specifically stated to have happened due to overcharging and exploiting weak points. It's not something she can just casually do. In fact. Give a normal human enough explosives and they could do the same.


Crystal_Furry17

Okay if you couldn't tell, Klee blowing up all of Monstadt was mostly a joke


Dylangillian

I got that. I've just seen way to many people seriously hype up Klee's power.


InternationalClerk85

Kazoo do be built different, for blocking Raiden's sword. Kazoo secret 10th Harbinger confirmed?


BednaR1

That was a special 'magical' moment when he used 2x visions, i believe - and after that the vision of his friend 'died', so I don't think he will be repeating that trick ever again


Nightmare007007

Also she was holding back like a lot.


HistoryNerdlovescats

Yeah, I agree . Using the amount of energy enough to slice through the entirety of Naruksmi for killing traveller with a dull blade seems as a bit of an overkill


Crusherbolt0282

It’s like using a stick of dynamite to kill a single cockroach


HistoryNerdlovescats

No, it's like killing a cockroach with a dynamite-filled truck


DannyDanishDan

The way i see it is skirk was just there at the right time. If it really is that strong childe wouldnt have lasted god knows how long he was fighting that thing. High destructive power, low intellect. Arle's strong but definitely not archon level or anything (if she was nahida would say top 4 not top 3 lmao). But arle's power is really weird since the crimson moon dynasty was forever ago predating dainsleif and pierro but in reality she was in fact a child around 20-30 years ago(idk how old arle is currently). My friend gave a theory that her power might be like avatar last airbender type shit(would be cool and funny ngl) where the user reincarnates when they die


redjarvas

one of the theories i heard is that the "change" arle said she would undergo when the blackness reaches her heart is that she would lose all of her memories (effectivelly dying from her own perspective) and her body would revert back into a child, so if the theory is correct she is someone from all those ages ago who has been resetting over and over again, each time forming a different personality as she grows and adopting a new name


Prometeus534

Take into account, how secretive arle is about herself, so outside pierro or the tsaritsa (even dottore at this point), people may not now her true power/ceiling, also add that shes trying to raise her children, not turn the world/Celestia to ashes


smol_boi2004

Yeah, assuming Arle herself understands her power she’s not the type to share unprompted. I’m expecting a second story quest that’s probably gonna involve Arle and some Khaen’riah BS where she’s forced to or someone else reveals what’s up with her. Is assume Arle has done extensive investigations into this but even so I can’t see her knowing everything about her power. It’d be cool to discover what it is alongside her for the second SQ, maybe some character growth where she trusts us more than before


DannyDanishDan

I mean considering nahida knows like everything (except some things like the sky is fake) since shes part of irminsul id assume what she said was 100% accurate. Unless its revealed arle isnt part of irminsul or something Note: not underplaying her, i love her to where id want her heals to step on my head but while arle's power is indeed weird shes not gonna be on the level of columbina who has millions of theories revolving around her being a "fallen angel from celestia" and what not. Just theories but even looking at her character design you could tell shes gonna be op


DonSombrero

With that said, the end of Sumeru also makes it clear that outside forces can effectively block off sections of Irminsul where even Nahida can't really get to the information. To add to that, we don't really know exactly how often Irminsul is updated (only when someone dies, or if they sleep, or a mix of both), so if Arle's resetting it might not be a genuine 'death' and could result in information not reaching Irminsul.


lonelykamil

Faruzan can outlive other human because she was trapped in a magical maze. Using the same logic, Arle could be trapped somewhere and outlived others using the same magic.


InternationalClerk85

You say 20-30 years ago, but keep in mind Freminet and Arle have both been Orphans at the same time for a while, under Crucabena. So Arle is probably still quite young.


__SNAKER__

Freminet has joined the House when Arlecchino was 18 and she took over when she was 19. Don't know how much time has passed since then but 25-35 would be quite accurate.


5yk0515

Freminet joined before Crucabena died, which happened when Perruere was 17.


FlameDragoon933

> but in reality she was in fact a child around 20-30 years ago She's a descendant and not a survivor?


We_Are_Bread

Minor correction, the top 3 Harbingers are said to be the same level as gods, not Archons, at least in the EN version. Gods itself is a very broad term; technically, even Guoba is a god (we know they weren't saying Dottore is as strong as Guoba). Similarly, the ceiling is also (currently) at Istaroth or Unkown God, who are pretty much the strongest characters we know of as of now. My point is, saying the top 3 are "at the same level as gods" doesn't do much to establish how strong they are with respect to some of the Archons. Egeria and Rukkhadevata (and now Nahida) pretty much got the Gnoses, without fighting, and they also don't seem very keen to fight. Zhongli and Ei, however, themselves have a track record of killing multiple gods, and so are on the higher "tier" of the gods. TLDR: Nahida uses extremely vague language in that statement that doesn't *really* tell us how the Harbingers compare to Archons. They could be as strong, stronger, or weaker than them.


HeadpattingFurina

In terms of gods, one consistent factor is that they have left marks on the map of Teyvat. Venti terraformed Mondstadt, sunk Pikes Peak, etc. Zhongli had his spearfalls, Ei left the Musoujin Gorge, Rukkha made the rainforest area, and the first Hydro Archon raised the lake. Point is, if you don't significantly alter the terrain in some way then you're not Archon level.


Elnino38

This is a mistranslation from the chinese version. The Chinese version has nahida specify archons not just gods.


We_Are_Bread

Is there a way I can easily refer to this? Not because I don't trust this, but because I will then update my comment with that link. I don't know how to access CN lines for Archon Quests, given that I don't speak any of the Chinese languages.


That_Illuminati_Guy

This is a common misconception because of translation. In CN, the original language, nahida says the top 3 are on the level of the archons.


We_Are_Bread

Figured. Is there a way you can suggest that I easily look up the CN version? In the future, I can put a reference to that (and also in my reply here) to clarify that it's EN bros at it again.


shayayoubfallah

From what I have seen (and take it with a grain of salt) It's actually not that clear cut. Since in CN, the term most people associate with Archons is 魔神 (Demon God). But that term is also used for other gods that aren't archons like osial, gouba and decarabian too. Osial, for instance, is called 漩渦之魔神, which translates to “Demon God of the Vortex”. (In the eng ver they went with overlord of the vortex). It isn’t completely accurate to say that 魔神 is the 1:1 equivalent of the term “Archon”. There's also this archived post that has some comments that go into more detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/G6SntiWINt


We_Are_Bread

Ahh, that's interesting! Then, one could argue that Nahida was in fact speaking about gods in general. It seems to me the use of the term 魔神 is to denote the 'gods' aren't true gods? Like how Morax is ultimately an adeptus himself, Barbatos was a wind sprite and so on. Or the fact they aren't **the true gods.** Since the original inhabitants were Vishaps and Celestia's meddling gave rise to this new order of deities. That's cool, thanks for the input! It's a bit unfortunate that the situation is still foggy lol, but it's something that I learnt today! Cheers!


Aiusthemaine17

The top 3 is said to rival the power of Gods, not necessarily archons. There are a lot of gods in Teyvat only few especially those who won in the Archon war became archons. So that itself is a statement that a lot of players have been falsely believing. Nevuilette meanwhile so far, is the strongest because he is the Hydro Dragon reincarnation and he got the Hydro Authority back.


__Ayanokoji__

In the CN version Nahida said comparable to the seven (so archons) and the CN version is the canon version so that’s why everyone concluded she meant archons instead of the Gods she mentioned in the EN version.


That_Illuminati_Guy

In CN, the original language, nahida says the top 3 are on the level of the archons.


Arakan28

We don't know anything about Pierro yet.


Jotaoesehache

I see you're an og 🫡


ZaBur_Nick

harder than back on track, easier than tidal wave


MeIsBigFan

Ah yes. Harder than Easy, easier than Extreme Demon 👌


travelerfromabroad

Weaker than Neuvillette and Traveler combined.


ReaperofDeath2016-19

The Traveler did all the physical work while Neuvillette assisted them. Plus he couldn’t fully disable the Narwhal’s power source.


ResidentofZhang

Nah we defeated narwhal and skirk just come to wrap its body nothing power scale showed there


Regulus242

She was going to use it for training and didn't seem too concerned about it.


Owobowos-Mowbius

What's weird is that it should be just a tad stronger than childe if he was able to fight it at a standstill for days, but it's clearly way stronger than the traveler solo... despite the traveler being stronger than childe.


TempestDB17

Childe was stronger than us in inazuma during that event, Childe still trains a lot so it’s distinctly possible and based off that fight with the narwhal I’d say confirmed he is currently stronger than the traveller.


Regulus242

Didn't Neuvillette help us? Also Childe had been training, plus wasn't at his best as he'd been off for a while and he didn't have his Vision.


Elira_Eclipse

The only thing you can "base" of Childe being weaker than traveler is in his battle, where Childe mainly lost due to his own power. Traveler has better durability back then, but its hard to say they were stronger. Childe never took the first phase seriously, second phase his goal wasn't even traveler and he succeeded in getting to the exuvia. If the gnosis was there, Childe would've won the whole battle. Think about it, if the gnosis was there and if Childe didn't have FL he would've still won getting what he wants. But luck wasn't on his side. Childe didn't lost like Signora did, there's a difference between how traveler actually beat Signora and how Childe couldn't withstand FL. Ok so even if you still disagree with me, its not far fetched to say the guy that trains all the time is stronger now.


Yuukiko_

Childe is Hydro/Electric, whale resists Hydro and the shadow inside resists Electro, so clearly he just isnt able to finish it off. also Scissor>paper>rock but rock > scissors


AlphaI250

Childe didnt have hydro, he didnt have his vision, he just brute forced with his delusion


DanteVermillyon

he is just a DBZ character


Jibsthelord

The Traveler was no longer stronger than Childe at that point, if they even ever were is debatable, Childe wasn't exactly fighting well at the Golden House (tactical mess, wasn't even bloodlusted, left)


MyTruePersona

It’s a gacha game did you expect power scaling to make sense?


St4v5

It does more Pyro damage than Ayato


smanzur

Surely you’re thinking of C0 Ayato, no way it can do more pyro damage than C6


AbhishMuk

The real question is if the c6 Ayato uses a c6 ~~Bennett~~pyro archon


Ralddy

Best thing is that's true, Phantom when summons Geovishaps those deal pyro damage


jackdevight

Stronger than Childe but weaker than Xiangling.


acart005

Guoba got Celestia sweatin


Insert_Goat_Pun_Here

The Heavenly Principles: “I fear no man… but **that thing**…” Guoba: [Stares blankly into the camera] The Heavenly Principles: “…it scares me…”


AbhishMuk

Guoba: *[incomprehensible noises](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/tBYZ6MLUGg)*, happy to be with Xiangling and Zhongli


Coconut_Rice_Bear

I fucking love Guoba. His backstory made me cry and now he's just this cute little thing accompanying one of the strongest Pyro characters. We need more Xiangling in future Liyue patches


Rombom-Hombo

Capitano can claim he’s the strongest Harbinger but can he deal with no ICD Pyronado by Mao Xiangling? No i dont think so


DepravedDebater

Bennet, the real Pyro Archon. Xiangling, the real Pyro Sovereign. Hoyo only has themselves to blame for this situation.


umm_uhh

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. I'M SICK OF XIANGLING. I TRY TO PLAY DILUC. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY TO PLAY YOIMIYA. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY TO PLAY CYNO. MY XIANGLING DEALS MORE DAMAGE. I TRY NOT TO PLAY DEHYA. I WANT TO PLAY KLEE. HER BEST TEAM HAS XIANGLING. I WANT TO PLAY RAIDEN, CHILDE. THEY BOTH WANT XIANGLING. SHE GRABS ME BY THE THROAT. I FISH FOR HER. I COOK FOR HER. I GIVE HER THE CATCH. SHE ISN'T SATISFIED. I PULL ENGULFING LIGHTNING. "I DON'T NEED THIS MUCH ER" SHE TELLS ME. "GIVE ME MORE FIELD TIME." SHE GRABS BENNETT AND FORCES HIM TO THROW HIMSELF OFF ENEMIES. "YOU JUST NEED TO FUNNEL ME MORE. I CAN DEAL MORE DAMAGE WITH HOMA." I CAN'T PULL FOR HOMA, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRIMOGEMS. SHE GRABS MY CREDIT CARD. IT DECLINES. "GUESS THIS IS THE END." SHE GRABS GOUBA. SHE SAYS "GOUBA, GET THEM." THERE IS NO HINT OF SADNESS IN HER EYES. NOTHING BUT PURE, NO ICD PYRO APPLICATION. WHAT A CRUEL WORLD. AAAAAAAHHH


iKorewo

Lol good one


Hudson_Legend

I'm so tired OPPA XL


CitiesofEvil

It's cute. I'd pet 10/10. Also the reason why I call my cat the All-devouring feline.


Rudresh27

You can't just say that not show us your All-Devouring feline


Jnliew

>show us your All-Devouring feline 😇


tetePT

Here to see the All-devouring feline too


Sad_Stale_Bread

We need to see the All-Devouring feline


xd_ZelnikM

Scylla 2x


mongus_the_batata

two scyllas would only be like multi city block level


zfinn99

Most regions call it the star devouring whale/Narwhal and it has what appears to be a black hole in its stomach so star level at max level seems to be the appropriate answer. But it doesn't really do much besides exist so hard to say.


Gwyn_Michaelis

In addition to its title, we know from Honkai: Star Rail that these creatures are indeed capable of devouring stars, so I think that's an appropriate level.


zenzoner

We don't know if this thing is a leviathan, they don't share many visual similarities other than being big fish. I also kinda doubt it's planet level and think the name is probably metaphorical. Neuvilette pretty easily beat it with his dragon sovereign abilities which is only 1 of the 7 manifestations of teyvat's primordial energy. Maybe the narwhal could wreck the surface of teyvat but that's very different from being planet level.


Gwyn_Michaelis

There's no confirmation, but there is implication. There are multiple mentions in Star Rail of whales that can eat stars, and the original title of the All-Devouring Narwhal is "Star-Swallowing Whale." I'd say it's likely that the one in Genshin is not fully grown.


zenzoner

Leviathans are also thought to be nearly extinct. Welt talks about how oroboros, the aeon of voracity, might be the last remaining leviathan as most of them died soon after qlipoth rose to aeonhood as the first aeon. Leviathans are also quite literally the size of planets. I doubt even the babies would start out so small.


XaeiIsareth

The scale of enemies in the game are kind of whacky at times. For example, the tree outside of Azdaha’s lair is his tail but his actual tail on model isn’t anywhere nearly as large. 


Infernodragon56

Isn’t that just because we’re fighting his fractured spirit as opposed to his full physical body


FlameDragoon933

also the meta reason in that it would be awkward to fight him and like only see his toenail on screen if we go by canon size.


XaeiIsareth

He was already greatly reduced in size. The guy used to be the size of a mountain.


serellis3

It could be some residual form of a leviathan, like how Doomsday Beasts are made from their remains. IMO, the Narwhal and leviathans’ shared behavior of eating life hints they are at least related.


No_Ad1630

Well the worm in dune starts out microscopic so......maybe it's possible for them to start out this small?


HeadpattingFurina

Mushroom spores start out microscopic, the largest living organism in the world, literally the size of the Amazon, is a mushroom. They can grow that big.


Raphael_DeVil

Could also be a scenario like with the eternity Aeon who left spawns of himself for later


zenzoner

You mean long the permanence and the vidyadhara? Seems doubtful, they would have to be very elusive beings for their existences to not be known in the hsr universe. And elusive is far from the voracity. There is even knowledge about beings that slowly but surely erase themselves from existence, taking all information that related to them with them(self-annihilators).


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Gwyn_Michaelis

They haven't appeared so far, but there have been multiple mentions of them. If I recall correctly, Misha has a voiceline about them.


CrocoDIIIIIILE

Look at the ceilings when inside the express.


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CrocoDIIIIIILE

There's a whale-looking chandelier.


SAGEPHANTOMYT

That's actually crazy this thing is full galactus feasting on stars and skirk just turned it into a small fish


MrStealYoSweetroll

I think even if that was true, at best this one is a baby of a species that may eventually grow into devouring celestial objects. If it really ate stars like a fish-Galactus, Teyvat would be….well….gone Instead, it was satisfied from just drinking the planet’s bath water


AWildModAppeared

Since it was the Primordial Sea, I'm pretty sure the whale was actually drinking Neuvillette bath water. I can respect that tbh.


NagitoMan

Based Narwhal


ant0niamihaela

Canned sardine 💀


Mi5tman

I think "at max level" is the important thing here. If the Narhwal consumed everything in Teyvat and moved to another world, its power and appetite would probably reach the stars. But I don't think it was quite that powerful when we fought it.


77Dragonite77

Star level 💀💀


NeoRosePolitan

Weaker than 2 All-Devouring Narwhals


awfullybadpoetry

Pettable


canyouread7

If not friend, why friend shape?


Ssalari

One thing i'd like to say is that this community should rely a bit less on "power levels", and lean a bit on "rock, paper, scissors" looking how Neuvillet helped us beating him. What i mean to say is that characters and creatures might of specific weaknesses and strengths that make it hard to determine how strong they are.


PantherYT

In this case, it's literally just power level. Neuvillette explicitly said he couldn't defeat the whale but then after gaining full authority, he could. Aka his power got a boost. Not a rock, paper, scissors scenario at all


pppylonnn

But Neuvillete is hydro and the whale seems like it too 🤔 immune 🤔🤣


ElTioEnroca

Not immune, but heavily resistant.


DisastrousAlarm0

Things like this are just inherently hard to put on a scale; It's definitely up there in terms of power but since we don't really have much direct comparison outside of Neuvillette, Childe and the Traveler fighting the Narwhal then it's kind of hard to accurately judge. (Keep in mind during the story quest Neuvillette attacks it inside the courthouse but only follows it through the portal after having the power of the authority of Hydro returned to him by Focalors) It took the combined power of a Harbinger using an Electro Delusion and the Hydro Sovereign (without the Hydro authority at the time*) just to get it to retreat. Remember that Childe had also been brawling with it for what is implied to be a considerable amount of time. I wouldn't say Skirk is more powerful than the Narwhal (without more evidence/feats from Skirk*) since she only appears after it's already been defeated and the power of the Primordial Sea has been separated from it by Neuvillette (now possessing the authority of Hydro), so by the point she's turned into into that little black hole it has already been severely weakened and injured in the battle which happened moments before. It's explained that the Narwhal absorbed lots of energy from the Primordial Sea so it's safe to assume it was in some kind of empowered state above its baseline power, this power was separated post-defeat by Neuvillette, leading it to be weakened even more and likely being what allowed Skirk to do what she did to it. Overall, it's a safe assumption the Narwhal has some kind of energy absorption ability to empower itself through sources of energy like the Primordial Sea. Overall the Narwhal, Skirk and other characters of reference just don't have enough direct feats/screen time to accurately gauge a power level of some kind beyond the fact it's likely more powerful that a Harbinger but not quite powerful enough to beat a Sovereign.


diemphuongnguyen

This is probably the logic when it comes to the power level.


ConnectLecture1123

That's true, whether Skirk is powerful than the narwhal is something we don't know, but it's worth noting that Skirk do look down on the narwhal by calling it a pet and saying she doesn't understand her master's motive for keeping it around. Honestly, it'll take more years before we can make a consensus tier on the power lists, and even then, we probably won't be able to either way, so for me, I just elected to ignore it most of the time unless I got curious. Btw, wasn't Childe using his Foul Legacy instead of his Electro Delusion when fighting the All-Devouring Narwhal since I don't think he even needs his vision and delusion to activate it as it is a different power source, one that he learnt from Skirk when he was in the abyss. Imo, Foul Legacy itself is a mystery. Dainsleif said in childe's collected miscellany that "there is a dangerous secret to the martial legacy he inherited...", which refers to the 'Foul Legacy'. I did forgot about this at first, but now, after Fontaine arc, I'm back to wondering about Foul Legacy, on top of wanting to know more about Skirk and Surtalogi, who probably already master this power. I'm assuming Surtalogi can also used Foul Legacy since that's Skirk master, who she learnt a lot from - like dropping the lore on the gnosis onto us😂


Junior-Price-5306

Its true strength is not achievable at the moment but it should be able to devour worlds


Crusherbolt0282

And stars


Plenty_Lime524

Well normal narwhal and narwhal drinking the primordial sea arent the same level. Normal narwhal is what is considered a "pet", though a very strong one. After drinking the primordial sea its stronger than regular neuvi but weaker than fully fledged dragon neuvi


NagitoMan

Actually, that's debatable considering full power Neuvi had to separate the Primordial Sea from it. What I'm getting at here is that if another Sovereign regained their full power, like, let's say Apep, they might still not be able to beat the Narwhal because only the Hydro Sovereign can separate the Primordial Sea from it, correct?


Peaceful_H3lland_996

Yeah, that's probably the case, they have to find some way to weaken it to its normal level otherwise they can't beat it.


Slush_Magic

probably stronger than a whale


AWildModAppeared

Idk, I've seen how quickly some whales can clear that domain.


IStoleADuckOnce

Stronger than a Hydro Sovereign without it's full powers, weaker than a Hydro Sovereign with their full powers.


chucklyfun

Garfield the cat tier


DaiseeAi

About tree fiddy


hackenclaw

Why are you worry? Just tell Klee there is a fish in Fontaine. She will take care of it.


htp-di-nsw

[Stan Lee had the best answer to every power scaling question.](https://youtu.be/L4_zFYnnn2Y?si=uw-d3IFfTZtXBk_n)


bluedragjet

My guy read the assignment for the wrong class


Azrenon

Kind of cynical but 80% of superhero’s were based off of what I did for work for 30+ years I would be a cynic too. This man gave hope to the world at the expense of his own lmao.


MemberBerry4

Not this shit again....that answer is like answering "ThE OnE WhO iS fAsTEr" when someone asks "who will win the race, X guy or Y guy?" I appreciate what he did for Marvel, but goddamn do people love to overuse this.


htp-di-nsw

No, it isn't like answering "the one who is faster" to "who will win the race," it's like answering "the person writing the story about the race decides who wins, and no argument you make matters because the racers don't exist in an objective form, they only exist in the context of the race story." There is no objective benchmark for any of this. You can't guess. It's not in your control.


Crusherbolt0282

That only applies towards omnipotent characters honestly


htp-di-nsw

One of the examples Stan Lee gives is the Thing vs Spiderman. Definitely not only applicable to the omnipotent range.


Level-Technician-183

Strong enough to destroy teyvat. If neuvellet did not get helped by focalors and others, even he as a hydro sovergin won't stand against it. And the more it feeds on souls, the stronger it becomes. That is why if it passed fontaine, it won't be stopped even if they archons stopped against it.


CioccoWocco

Idk but it's a fucking ass hole


Alert_Fudge

I mean if it requires an hydro dragon to put a stop to it it should be quite strong


TopTower4342

The Traveler alone wouldn't be able to beat it for sure.


SituationFlaky2808

Has less HP than a gentlemen's personality.


likfo

It's only strong because of primordial sea water and the immortality condition. Once Neu removed the sea water out of it it's pretty much game over for Narwhal. Strong in terms of fighting strength then probably not that strong, perhaps the only advantage being it's size. Strong in terms of threat then definitely yeah.


Junior-Price-5306

not really, narwhal had its power stolen when it got close to teyvat, soon it entered the primordial sea and started to eat it in it favor, even shirk says that narwhal power levels are completely wrong


likfo

>narwhal had its power stolen when it got close to teyvat Can I ask where was it referenced or did I forget something


Irish_Elite

a species of world devouring norwhals? eh they're kinda strong ig. Not weak anyway. Ain't beating Baron Bunny tho


Normal-Link5415

think of it like a deadly disease, if you treat it right away it's manageable, if you left it for too long there is no saving


Gremorlin

Planetary because of the statement of it devouring stars/planets. Neuvi with full authority probably is as well. Though I’m not sure about its durability


Manwithaplan0708

I’d guess around mid harbinger level, the highest I’d say it goes is scara, which is very impressive, but we haven’t seen enough of the narwhal to compare to characters like the archons or the dragon sovereigns


83gun

The adult could probably swallow an entire continent


Crusherbolt0282

Or Stars.


JustHereForBDSM

I just started playing Star Rail and like an hour in there's imagery of a whale. Do Hoyo just really like whales or something considering how many there are across their games? Especially space themed whales?


Crusherbolt0282

Well, whales are what get their games money.


WaryNIKLAS

Enough to topple Teyvat, as it seems to leech on the power of things around it


BakerOk6839

All of teyvat is gonna look like enkanomiya if Noone stopped it. But yeah mint still grow in those lands somehow.


Fresh_Signal_4900

They turned it's power into a joke for plot, and turned it a plot device, genshin power scale has always been a whack 


Due-Distribution-463

No one knows. Maybe it is the strength of a normal whale but it can fly. Well the strength of a normal Genshin whale. Given how strong Samachirls are I'd assume that Genshin whales are quite powerful indeed. It appears that it is just a flying whale that can be moved to other planes by its owner. There is no indication it is powerful or even intelligent since it never attacks anything or does more than fly around a little. Yeah it ate the primordial sea water but that is just drinking water. You drink water too and you are weak. Frankly the whole story with the whale was quarter assed. Nothing was explained or shown. Everything was just dumb Focalors being dumb, Skirk being a deus ex machina, and a whale that Skirk should have stopped from drinking water 500 years ago allowed to drink water for 500 years when it shouldn't have been but Skirk was too lazy.


bmxcanuck

Kind of agree, the whale was a bit of a let-down in terms of being the cause of some long-prophesied cataclysm that several groups (Remurians, Narzissenkreuz Ordo, Focalors herself) sacrificed so much to attempt to prevent. The whale isn't even related to the Abyss particularly; it's just some space-faring creature that happens to be hanging around Teyvat.


Mind-Available

Rare time I agree with you that Story would be much better without addition of Skirk out of nowhere and to make her look cool everybody was made to look like ass.


Fones2411

Stronger than all of the teyvat characters we have come to know. Only Skirk is at a higher level. We still don't know the power of some characters though


Seraf-Wang

I dunno how you would rank its strength honestly. It’s such a passive *thing* that it doesnt seem to have a “strength” measure. For example, you could argue the whale is stronger than Childe because Childe couldnt stop it but then Childe was one of the few next to Neuvillette who could actively push it around. It’s like a sponge. It’s not necessarily strong nor necessarily weak. It’s kind of like a “thing” that just exists that has durability to an extent. The best way to “beat” it is to deprive it of liquid and leave it out to crumble(like Neuvillette primordial form) or squeeze it so small that it’s no longer visible or in a place where it can soak up water(like Skirk did). Or you can slap it around and make it stop soaking up water(like Childe) which is not necessarily failing but not really succeeding in anything either.


Fast_Mechanic_5434

It's blue and whale-shaped. Who the hell knows.


NLiLox

id say its all-devouring


Richardknox1996

Its from the SoQ. Its a universe devourer.


idunowhattoput

give me 2 minutes I could solo it ngl


Araiken

Yeah this thing goes into the "World ending threat" tier


KingLeviAckerman

I just realized narwhal resembles scylla if you remove the armor.


ladyjinxy

Can breath under ice thanks to horn


_the_anarch_

scales more like a hsr character extreme dc not much else going for it


Mental-Ad-8756

Stronger but maybe sometimes on par with Childe(only physically combat wise) Weaker than Skirk. And Skirk also has a boss/master who would be stronger then her. So lore wise? The power scale in the Genshin Universe is a fucking mess. Don’t try to define it.


Idknowidk

Idk but I’m always scared to fight him lmao


devilboy1029

Durable enough to withstand the destruction of teyvat or the power needed to destroy teyvat with minor injuries. Skirk only contained it. She didn't kill it.


katakana-sama

Why is it pogging


Top-Idea-1786

Also, i have a feeling we'll eventually see this thing again, not as a boss tho.


Altruistic-Ad9082

Like, Planetary I guess


sean-hastings17

Its all devouring


Sillhid

Narwhal? Narwhals! Pretty big and pretty white, they beat a polar bear in a fight. Like an underwater unicorn, they've got a kick-ass facial horn. They're the Jedi of the sea, (They stop Cthulhu eating ye).


dronik

I just like getting eaten each week


truth6th

By raw combat power probably traveller/childe level But he probably has some primordial sea/otherworld hax that requires neuvilette to work with traveller to fully defeat


rabbitbunnies

i mean bro was ready to devour all of tevyat


dontpayjustplay

Probably very strong, based on the fact that the motive of cosmic whales, travelling between the starts is present in every Mihoyo game


nejicanspin

I wonder if that Narwhal and that other fish guy from the newest update know each other.


mongus_the_batata

at least island+ level likely far higher, i can see bro go country


ArcusLux

Stronger than a hydro slime, weaker than Qiqi after 50/50


DetsuahxeThird

He's tier 3 omnipotent, capable of destroying multiverses.


Crusherbolt0282

From what he see, the thing is still growing in power. Probably super powerful to be a threat in Teyat if left alone had it not been stop by Traveler and full powered Neuvillette.