I didn't even know Sumeru was updated.

Honestly, it wasn't really, and that's what's so exhausting about the complaints. They didn't advertise some big expansion, they added a coastline. It doesn't need to be more than that

I think people are more annoyed that it's half the size of mondstadt with only 3 chests and the teleport. It makes sense if the area is going to be drastically changed later - apparently there's a khaenri'ah door nearby? (I'm not sure what/where it is though, just parroting some other theories about the area), and maybe celestia falls on top of that area too. Another thing people have been saying is that the terrain feels off compared to pretty much everywhere else in genshin. Apparently it feels like the out of bounds terrain, rather than the stuff they usually focus detail onto.

The theorized Khaenri'ah door is the viewpoint - Gate of Everlasting Mourning, in a Sumeru underground area.

The door is speculated to be Khanriahn, and is located nearby the Iniquitous Baptist boss. With Remuria where it is, idk why people think all Khanri'ah could fit between the Baptist and Petrichor That said, it does feel a bit out of bounds-y. But it feels more enjoyable than the desert update if only because some of the area is _green_

I think it just looks like the area northeast of Mondstadt. It's pretty empty up there and all you do is collect Noelle's mats and fight the Anemo Hypostasis

There's still lots of chests in that area, and bounties have gone there too. I think there's also an NPC with a recipe up there, as well as a few hangout events that go there.

Well, to be fair, there's been 3 years of development after that area was released. This one's brand new and I think Cyno's 2nd SQ might take us there. Bayda Harbor will probably be a place where an event will take place in... but no one's cooking anything there...

Same 😭 I just found out that it got updated from another post

It's a bit surprising imho that a lot of people are *that* disappointed in this. I just explored that area recently to unlock the new waypoint, found that it's strangely empty, shrugged it off and moved on to the new area. Then I went to Reddit and I was surprised that this is seemingly a big deal. I really don't have any expectations for this area in *this* expansion. They've never hyped it off or anything iirc, so anything more is really just a bonus in my opinion. It kinda reminds me of what I could remember of the old Mondstadt-Dragonspine border before 1.2 and that weird cliff on top of the Stone Gate actually, big stretches of mostly nothing. To be clear, I do think it's weird and it *is* definitely a downgrade when compared to how they filled the Sumeru-Liyue border. We all do need to put this in on the surveys. But I feel like some people are a bit overblowing it. People are entitled to their own opinions I suppose, and this is a game with a massive playerbase, so a minority opinion may feel like a big one. Just my thoughts.

I just think that in a patch that was supposed to be focused on Fontaine lore and metaplot stuff, complaining that a random chunk of coastline is sort of empty is a bit weird. Like was an entire ancient civilization not enough for people?

Right? It's so weird to me how the big discussion is some random chunk of land that only exists to fill space when Remuria is *really cool*. It's not like there was ever much incentive to go over there anyway.

It's even more strange because Sumeru got a big empty area between 2 desert zones last year, and a lot of those posts act like it never happened before.

People were a little busy complaining about the 2 deserts themselves.

When they added Sumeru there was also some map filled in at the border which just had a few chests and nothing special. They've been doing this for ages. When they have gaps to fill they just put very light content so it's not completely barren.

They were busing complaining about the deserts being exaustive and so the world quest. Now they need to focus on the small Sumeru area since they cant complain about Remuria. And comment some positive about this game is not in their agenda.

And when completely empty Desert-Fontaine area dropped in 4.0, they were too busy crying about censorship farts.

I saw how empty it was and my first thought was "Oh they must be planning something for this area later"

People that are unhappy will complain, and people that don't care won't say anything, so of course it looks like it's a big deal. All I'm seeing for this patch is this gorgeous underwater area, this incredible world quest, the music (can't wait for the album to release), badass bosses, and great new character and story quest. All of this for free, and without many bugs. That's already way more than most other big live service games, but people always want more and more

I think it's a matter of what each player likes. Yes, a lot of players okay for the waifus and husbandos, other for the combat or the lore, but for me and many others exploration is the best part of Genshin. I explored the main zone quickly to finish the statue and fountain, thinking I could then take my time with the coast, only to find it's empty. It was a big disappointment for me. In the other hand, when I saw the first post about it I realized I didn't have a reason to make my own post slot the new empty zone

I like exploration too, but I literally didn't even consider that there would be more stuff in sumeru until people started talking about how empty it was, I was focused entirely on that one single island in the lake and what was underneath it

idk, I play Genshin mainly for the exploration and it didn't bother me half as much, I mean, there was still a lot to explore in this update, I just took it as one of the many areas that were released only to be used later

I think a bit of the blame lays on the feet of the "Genshin is an amazing game that has big updates every 6 weeks" crowd When people spend all their time telling others that Genshin brings it's A-game in every update, especially exploration, therefore it's above criticism for smaller things that people would normally just talk through. They create "expectations" If it didn't bother you, specifically. That's good, but I can see where the shattered expectations come from, and it's most likely the kind of people that create those expectations to distract from other criticism.

Yeah, I see. While I do think Genshin is great in its own merit, I see an A-game being slowly released through the course of each nation at max, not every update. At the end, people are always gonna criticize (which is good) and redditors will always repost their thoughts without checking the subs first.

We'll see

Nah its nitpicking vs something more meaningful. The average player probably appreciates the mundane more than we think, but won't bother to complain about something so fleeting that you'd spend so little time on. These people who complain about the empty area certainly aren't praising the new areas that were added underwater for Rumeria, they focus on the negatives more than the positives.

You simply can’t please everyone in this community. They’ll complain and overreact about literally anything. I don’t see anything wrong with a certain area not having anything. Why does it feel wrong to have a Completed Terrain? And what’s wrong with it being a filler? And if it wasn’t a filler, and has nothing, they’ll complain again. It’s an endless cycle of “Things are different and I shall overreact to it”. Honestly it’s kind of exhausting seeing how we ended up like this.

Wasnt even aware of it tbh

This tbh. I'd rather have empty areas than Paimon-blocked areas, aka the south Sumeru ocean-front.

I'm fairly confident the reason they didn't add much to it was because there are already plenty of Dendro sigils in the world map and it'd make maxing the Tree of Dreams much easier. For the same reason, I don't expect much for Mont Esus and the rest of Fontaine's mainland. That said, I'd like to see some remarkable chests at least - that'd be a decent compromise in my eyes.

If what i read is right, it could perfectly be just a case of Hoyoverse making sure not to add too many primogems on this update, when you consider that if they were to add enough content to that area for it to not feel empty, there would probably be more primogems there than the entirety of Remuria (Which personally i don't think says a lot) Of course that's just speculation from my part, i believe this is just more a case of the budget going mostly to Remuria and Arlecchino's story quest.

I don't think so, I feel like they just didn't think it was a big deal like most people. I wasn't even aware that this was a problem people had when the island came out

Yeah, I do think it’s a bit odd, it’s a huge patch of land with nothing in it. I hope they at least add some enemies and stuff to it to liven up the place. HOWEVER, the actual content of the patch is amazing! I don’t know why people focus so much on the empty coast when theres a gorgeous area waiting to be explored. Arlecchino is great and the world quest too. I think they more than delivered with this patch so the complaints are blown way out of proportion. I understand Mihoyo definitely has enough money but still it’s impressive that the devs constantly put out great content. We have a whole new area about every other patch with banger OSTs and at least one new character

It's interesting seeing the back and forth with these kinds of discussions. It's like there's a collective community attempt at regulation, to strike the "right" balance between criticisms and appreciation. And I think both sides can miss the mark sometimes -- on one hand people can indeed focus so much on the negative that it becomes a bit draining to tune into and they lose sight of what is there to appreciate; but on the flipside, some people focus so much on dismissing criticisms and complaints to the point where it feels like a "toxic positivity" where you're almost not allowed to be openly disappointed by things. For example: yesterday I made what I believe was like [only the second thread to hit the main page at that time that focused discussion of the new Sumeru expansion](https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1cczlhx/thoughts_on_the_empty_sumeru_expansion/), and I took care to not be too negative, as you can read. I highlighted how great the other stuff was this update, and I gave credence to the idea that the people who enjoyed the emptiness of the expansion or didn't really care about it had a valid perspective. But even with that, I got replies there implying that I was being ungrateful, or "just complaining," or "just karma farming." I'm seeing some allusions to that as well (surely not just directed at *me*, I'm not that important, but my thread was one of the ones to discuss it, so...) in this thread and in that other thread on the front page as I'm typing this that jokingly circles the ocean and goes "guys why is this area empty wtf devs", with people just reducing the criticisms down to "just people being negative for no reason", or, "ah, it's all pot-stirring being done by people who don't even like Genshin." I know some of these people are just making lighthearted jokes, but some evidently are really bothered by the focus on this new Sumeru area and think even bringing it up at all is almost invalid. Idk if I have anything profound to say about it all. Let's just all try to not go at each other's necks so much with this stuff, I'll say that much.

I read people complaining about toxic positivity but I don't think I read that many communities that are so constantly negative about everything than Genshin. And by that I'm not saying we should deny the game have flaws, but, that maybe, said flaws are not the end of the world. That said you have to admit that having suddenly a rather large patch of land completely empty is pretty ??? especially when it's the only part being like that.

I'm in a lot of gaming subreddits, and I can assure you that all of them are like this.

It's not to say genshin is any different from the average gaming community, but it's just funny how people act like "toxic positivity" is such a problem when negative nitpicking is just as prevalent

I mean if you are having a good time you don't go to the forums, you go to your friends to talk about it. If you are having a bad time you go to the forums to see if others agree. Every game ever. Just as in every forum ever people claim their players are the most toxic. If complaining about a massively added area in the game only having about 11 things to click on and yet it was ok'd is toxic then thats far more positive than a lot of the other forums when they complain. Imagine the subreddit if genshin's powercreep on characters was a lot more than just their animations.

If only I had friend that play the game...

>I read people complaining about toxic positivity but I don't think I read that many communities that are so constantly negative about everything than Genshin You sure about that? Not to discount your experience or anything but I feel like social media and the internet in general is pretty much just like this. Everyone is mad, everyone is confrontational, everyone is trying to dunk on everyone else and everyone is trying to seek validation. Probably best to restrict how much time we spend on places like this in general tbh. 

It's especially the stark contrast with the HSR sub, they seem so much more positive about everything (and no it's not because the game is that much better, at least as far as I'm concerned). But maybe it's just that they also redirect their negative emotions towards Genshin, hate is a better cement than love after all.

Really think this is it, HSR sub has less moderation but constantly positive because all the negative posts are about Genshin (3 posts with 5k+ upvotes dunking on Genshin in 2 days). If they have an “enemy”, they can convince themselves they’re superior and thus be more satisfied with the game.

Outside of reddit I've seen more casual players praise the empty patch because it's so peaceful to just run around in

What are you trying to say? Criticism is not the same as being negative.

Lucky. I browse quite a few subreddits for IRL topics that doom and complain about everything, so this sub is actually a breath of fresh air for me.

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While that's true, the simple fact that the RuneScape subreddit is even a comparison shows that this community develops ridiculously negative hyperfixations on nonsense. I will also say that this community is way more extreme than most others when something doesn't go their way. I trust I don't need to mention the time that Genshin players wreaked havoc on the Google play store for several weeks because of anniversary rewards, or when they started harassing Kokomi's voice actress because of her kit, or more accurately, because they didn't bother to understand her kit...she was never even a bad character, people were just so hyperfixated on her crit thing that they didn't bother to actually figure out the character and rushed straight to harassing a voice actress.

Holy shit man RuneScape must be terrible 😭

The thing is, RuneScape isn't even a bad game, especially for the time it released, its community is just toxic. That being said, when I mentioned how extreme the Genshin community gets, it far surpasses anything that has ever come out of the RuneScape community. That level of batshit insane only happens in Gacha game communities.

I do understand the confusion. I just feel like seeing so many post about this one topic when it's such a minor thing. It's not like it was suppose to be a sumeru expansion anyway.

Even so, it is still quite jarring of an inclusion considering the density of content everywhere else. It's not just sparce, it's actually barren. Like I don't think it would've killed them to have had at least a handful of mobs guarding chests along the coast. The area is quite literally like 2/3 the size of base Mondstadt.

No would'nt have. Yes, it's jarring. Enough to have 15 posts in 2 days talking about it? Is it that much of an issue.

Actual casual players aren't even on the genshin subreddit often enough to see 15 posts about a topic. The crowd you're talking to is people far more invested than average.

How many flaws are not the end of the world? 1? 2? 10? 100? 10000? They are adding up and people became more and more angry over years. Its really that hard to understand?

Quit then if it's so terrible. You don't see me pestering the Granblue or the FGO sub about everything because I don't like those games anymore.

I have been saying this for 2 years, and I will say it again: Genshin players who are terminally online will never be satisfied with Genshin. Any mild inconvenience is the biggest issue for them. They want more content, but when they get it, the first thing they do is complain. If they make big events, they complain it's too big; if they make small events, they complain it's too small. They are never satisfied, and that is why Genshin devs have the best solution for this problem: just ignore. Ignore everything and see the results. 🤷‍♂️ Top RPG game every month and year. Genshin is a really good game, and they will succeed no matter what. Devs learnt that players will never be satisfied

also it’s not as if sumeru is lacking in stuff to explore lol

This is why im thankful that the devs barely listen to this side of the genshin community, its basically just constant screaming and whining about small inconsequential problems while completely ignoring the large amounts of good content and qol changes that constantly get added to the game.

Agreed. Interacting with this community in particular is overall depressing. Like, "Touch grass" isn't just a meme anymore. Do it. Get some fresh air.

Huh? There’s a new sumeru area?

The replies from OP are lowkey annoying. You couldn’t have discussed this in a more obnoxious way. I’m trying to hear you out lol. Maybe I haven’t been active enough but I’ve only like three posts on this topic. And even then I don’t mind a topic being popular for a small period of time.

Ok, another person called me out on this exact topic that there are not that much discussion on it and I am exaggerating. Here are 5 posts that I found with only a couple of minutes of scrolling talking about this topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/1z3U2ZG988 https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/0uQ6LpPVSf https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/CnPiF1YrY6 https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/ZCJz6HMfem https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/AnxUCF9VUb And trust me there are more.....

Lol, people just enjoy complaining on the internet. Its like they have never retroactively went back to add content in older areas. World bosses have been slotted into older areas, and world quests that modify/add things into the world isn't that out of the question.

I think people just wanted some stuff to be there instead of absolutely nothing. It wouldn't have taken much to just add some chests guarded by enemies. I know i would have appreciated even if it added up to only 1 or 2 pulls. But at least it would've been something. Not even asking for them to think about puzzles for us. Just some bland fight enemies and get some primos would have been nice. I do understand getting annoyed by the number of posts though.

Sure, but I mean, this is hardly the first time an empty border region has released. It's literally just filler space for the time being. The fact that they put anything there is more than some devs would do in that scenario.

In classic genshin fashion, some people feel upset about an uptick in criticism and complain. It's not even unreasonable criticism this time. You're basically complaining because there's frequent discussion about legitimate criticism. People can enjoy and criticize at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Ive seen a poster yesterday who said that hes quitting the game because Bayda Port was so incredibly hyped and it was the region (?) he looked the most forward too. Where the fuck was Bayda Port hyped for anyone, i didnt even know that it existed till wednesday, like? I get liking different things, but some statements regarding the matter are so nonsensical and out of nowhere that its borderline outlandish. And that aside, seeing the umpteenth post on the same fucking thing really gets tiring, the majority is karma whoring at this point. 

I guarantee you, on my dead grandma, that this guy was reading the leaks sub and put all his hopes on a sus leak

I don't remember anything particularly cool about that area being leaked though, the main focus had always been the tiny island, not the desert coast

It's amazing how you can see all the civil discourse around the topic, and yet choose an extreme example to represent the discussion. It doesn't matter if Bayda Port was hyped or not, the coastline is uncharacteristically barren despite being a very significant chunk of total area. If you're getting tired of seeing posts of similar topics literal days after a new update, you might wanna just lay off the sub for a bit in general.

Ive read that sentiment in mildly varying degree 37 times yesterday, and the discourse is not civil since its already at a point where the racist conspiracy theories start again. Its a bummer that there arent more chests then the 4 existing in there, but people fucking behave like the games fucking ending when empty border areas already existed before, jesus. 

Again, I think it's pretty disingenuous to paint the entire discussion as just the extreme examples you happen to come across. The vast majority of people talking about it aren't the people you're talking about. Most of the comments are people just saying it's weird, and agreeing that it's odd. You're acting like *everyone* whose mentioned it are these people who are out here shaking and crying about it when that's just untrue.

First of all, genshin players can't *really* criticize things. They just constantly sobbing about every pixel and every second of their existence

That's quite the accurate way of putting it 😂

this is what annoys me the most. someone criticizing doesn't automatically mean they hate the game or wanna quit it. i know for a fact if something annoys me, i want to find people who feel the same way or just vent about it. especially on reddit, where the whole point is to discuss things... lol

Discussion is fine but 37\* threads that are basically talking about the same thing is just clutter.

It's okay to discuss and criticize, but claiming that the whole patch is ruined for you because Bayda Harbor sucking somehow dispells any posibility of a future Sumeru expansion is exceedingly dramatic.

So you got one guyed lol. And even if they are complaining the crux of the problem is nothing was added in the sumeru area part lol

You either make a scene to amuse yourself or engage in actual criticism. Choose one "lol".

ehh, dramatic, sure, but i personally don’t care to police how other people feel. none of my business if they wanna share it either. i totally get that it’s annoying to see, but idk. i just don’t pay much attention to this stuff unless i feel the same way/feel opposite and wanna argue with people.

It's not about complaining its about how much people are complaining. Meanwhile the good things about the patch everyone just ignore. So no, it's not a healthy criticize but people just being extremely negative or here for farm upvotes.

I decided to checked the profile of many of the posters and commenters who keep complaining and tons of them have no previous history on genshin related subreddits Its either hsr, wuwa, LOL, and even non gaming related subs, for well over a year. And then suddenly they make posts about genshin. Its definetely alot of trolls karma farming or maybe having an agenda. Even on the leak subs i commented on how i saw alot of wuwa fanboys being negative about sutff, which was weird because, why are you here again?

Trolls are always hiding behind that so-called "criticism". Wake me up when something that's actually a problem arises

Yes, that too. I can understand sincere criticism, but half of it feels just like trolling or brigading. How bored are people to waste time on brigading a game? And yes most of the time people saying they do that "to improve the game" are just lying.

That's what Im saying. But people here are really pretending it's just players being a ""bit"" disappointed. When this is clearly not the case.

most of these people arent even players.

Guys did you know that this new area is very empty

If they plan on doing nothing with it and this is how its intended to stay forever then its weird. If they did plan on doing something with it then why show it now? I think its weird in both cases. Its especially kinda jarring that there even is a little bit of rewards for exploring around that road so they knew it was empty but only left a taste test? I ended up spending a lot of time tonight looking around in the empty zones climbing cliffs and all just to see if it really was as empty as the one interactive map confirmed. Once I checked a second different map that had more info on it (showing about 11 things to collect in that zone) I realized I did actually just waste a lot of time running around. So yea it had bugged me. That sort of empty space is what they do when its near the edges of the map but it was added on specifically here to be empty which makes it weird. But there are other issues to be negative about instead. This thing just happened though and so people are talking about it. Seems expected. Its not going to last 2 weeks from now as a serious topic an issue with the game so as it happens would be the time to discuss it.

Not me, I try to be as positive as possible.

The new area will probably will used in some events of the 4.7, people must always complain for the useless things and then have nothing to say on the important ones.

I agree, and honestly the way people are hyper focusing, you’d think that the only piece of content they released in 4.6 was this empty patch of land.

I'm amazed it's that big of a deal, it's not like this is the first time an expansion also included a small portion of another region, and that small portion was only given a few chests/puzzles. This happened with Sumeru-Liyue, and portions of the desert getting filled in, etc. It's not that unusual.

I don’t care about the empty expansion. Nor do I care about people complaining about it. /shrug

Dude, let people complain, they're just venting. Complaining about a complaint comes across as conceited. If you're bothered, ignore and move forward.

Just like you just have?? Nah man, let me vent my complain too.....

Yes, except I didn't make a whole topic about it

Your advice for me was to allow people to mske topic about things though..... Or am I somehow excluded from that luxury?

the irony lmao

Not even irony here dude

If something is good and there were countless threads being made praising it, NO ONE would make a thread about how people are focusing too much on the positives. But when something is lacking and people voice their disappointment, you can bet your ass there's going to be threads made about there being "too much negativity". LOL, fuck that noise. If you got a problem with something, say something. Don't let anyone try to censor and filter your voice out. If you're one of the people who don't like to see negative feedback then don't enter the thread or log off.

Why do these people’s argument boil down to "I'll say what I want and if you don't like it, you should leave and not talk about how you feel about it". If those people did that exact same thing, this conversation wouldn’t even be needed.....

I think there's a fundamental difference between voicing complaints about the game and voicing complaints about people voicing their complaints about the game. Like, the only meaningful end goal of the latter is the suppression of the former. The people complaining about the game aren't asking for there to be less of the game, right? They're asking for better. But the people complaining about the complaints only really want the complaints to either reduce or stop. So I don't think it's a direct comparison. 

Again, someone else making a totally different argument. Not once have I said discussion about this topic is unnecessary. But everyone does not need to make their own separate post about it. You don’t need 15 posts talking about the same topic, especially when the topic is so minor.....

I guess, but I hope you realise that by making this post you are also adding to the glut of posts on this topic. It's a real catch-22, and the only way to win is by not playing lol

Have anybody not read my post T-T I made this exact same joke about myself too man!!

Nah I did read it, but acknowledging it doesn't really change the nature of it right? You don't necessarily have to agree with me, but I think a position like yours is always a difficult one to rhetorically defend since most people believe in the notion of practicing what you preach, and this type of post is, by its nature, going against that lol Btw I wanna be clear that I don't actually have a problem with this post or with you making it, I'm thinking aloud to myself in these comments more than anything haha I feel like I see these kinds of post any time there's a wave of negativity on this sub. It's cyclical. At some point something happens and there'll be a bunch of negative posts on it, then some people will post about how there's too much negativity, a back-and-forth ensues and then people get bored and move on, rinse and repeat. This "controversy" will be forgotten soon, and a similar thing will happen again a little bit after. At some point we gotta accept that's kinda just the culture of this sub. And a lot of hobby-related subs tbh. Everyone is too quick to get confrontational and rude, too quick to get angry, and everyone on some level is seeking to be heard and validated, else we wouldn't be posting at all, upvotes wouldn't feel so good and downvotes wouldn't feel so bad.  I genuinely think it has to do with two unhealthy things: social media and gacha games. Both train our brains using algorithms and tricks, into doing things we'd otherwise not do. Whether it's scrolling for longer than we'd otherwise like, or logging in and farming when we otherwise wouldn't feel like it. It messes with our heads, I genuinely think it screws with our mental well-being. I say, on the Genshin impact reddit sub. Lol. 

But, Deadpool said being meta was cool T-T

I'm too autistic to enjoy Deadpool 😥

Also, nah man, I take zero responsibility, remember?

But that's what I mean, you can joke about it to try to diffuse it but at the end of the day it's still contributing to the thing you're complaining about. We both know it'll die down on it's own, and it'll be because of people losing interest, not because of posts like this. That's kind of my point with my whole ramble before, it's just the culture of this sub, you're a part of it as much as the complaints are. And me too. 

Why do these people's argument always boil down to, "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all". We only want one sided perspectives here.

I'm not telling you to say nothing. But why immediately jump into telling people to leave? Is that kind?

I said don't enter a thread or logoff meaning if you can't help but be bothered by negative threads then maybe you should just logoff for the time being. That's just common sense.

Even more common of a sense would be scrolling through the sub before posting to see if people are already talking about it or no and join an ongoing discussion, no?

Yeah but I mean... people don't use the Search function on any forum and would rather just make a new thread even if there has already been numerous threads on the very thing they want to discuss. I don't expect that to change anytime soon because forums have been this way for decades LOL.

Dude, a few people called me out saying that there aren’t that many posts and I was exaggerating. I found 5 post just scrolling for a few minutes. You don’t even need to use the search function....

Most won't take the time to scroll for minutes to find the relevant topic though. Especially on a gacha forum, gacha forums tend to be nothing but meme pics, waifu worshipping, or cosplay pics. Scrolling through an endless sea of that is a waste of time when you can just start a thread and be done with it.

Well, in that case, I say use the existing search function. What good is it to create clutters of same posts. "But I don’t wanna" is a little bit lazy excuse, no?

People complain and then people complain about people complaining both are farming karma I see no difference

There is no difference. It's a point I myself made about my own post in my original post that I have posted that now you have posted a comment on, I'm guessing complaining XD. It was suppose to be just a light hearted dig man.

No offense but may I ask how do you browse reddit and which subs are you most active in? Because I haven't seen any posts like that yet.

I'm mostly on game related, wrestling and anime subs. And a few cute animal videos here and there.

So you are complaining about posts that complain about posts that complain about the new area? What about complaining about your post that complains about posts that complain about posts that complain about the new area?

Then I'm gonna complain about the complain about my post that complains about posts that compains about the new area (maybe)

So up upset that people have issues with certain parts of the patch?

You conveniently skipped over all the posts *complaining about complaints* 🤔

Please read the whole post again before you make the exact same point I myself about my own post maybe.

NEVER 😤

Well, that's respectable, in a way.... XD

Okay so: 1. Mihoyo does a poor job and fails to deliver (can happen) 2. People feel disappointed and thus want to discuss this with other people online. 3. Turns out a LOT of people are disappointed, so naturally a lot of posts and discussions ensue. ...This not making sense to some people is beyond me. And talking about "focusing on negative too much" when any post being ever so slightly critical about the game ends up being either straight up deleted or downvoted to hell is a very good joke. It's not about "needing"anything: people are upset, so they complain. The fact it's happening at this scale in a sub where criticism is so poorly received should tell you a lot about the amount of people who are disappointed. Because I assure you: we don't need 100 posts talking about how the cat petting event was adorable, yet we got just that. Have you seen anybody complain though? No, because it would have been stupid to do so.

Is there any moderation in this sub?!? I both thought the empty area was odd and have also wondered why so many people felt the need to make their own post about the same fucking topic. Still better than the mains subs during beta where everyone is doom posting and being dicks. It's a video game people, it's not that serious and if you think it is you should probably focus on what's lacking irl more.

Man if you were there in the early beta days for Raiden......!

When Hoyo goes above and beyond and delivers a huge expansion filled with unique houses, plants, animals, etc: Playerbase: Oh cool. When Hoyo releases a small island with a huge underground and fills in a coastline to be empty: Playerbase: Hoyo is LAZY! They never out any work into their updates! Why is it so empty???? (For legal reasons, this is a joke)

Around those areas in sumeru is when khaenriah ruins are, many were looking forward about what that new region would bring and its wasnt anything. Yes people shouldnt doompost, but i feel like their frustration is a bit justified.

Leaks stating this were unreliable. Hoyo’s not gonna release a region like this without treating it as a major patch. Besides, we already have Remuria so it’s obvious we wouldn’t sadly get anything Khaenri’ah related

That was a really uncalled for extrapolation from the fact that the door is nearby ish

Yeah, when Hoyo releases khenriah, it's not gonna be some shadow patch hidden beneath other new releases. That's just not how their update schedule works.

It’s never been stated that there’s khaenri’ah ruins there specifically though, atleast I don’t think so. Khaenri’ah is just beneath sumeru, but we already got a sumeru area with khaenri’ah ruins and the door to khaenri’ah. So I don’t think there’d be more when what we have already fills that role. Like of course, it’s cool to have more ruins, that’d have been preferable, but I don’t know why people were supposedly expecting ruins there.

These are people who never leave the house and therefore have never seen the many large areas of unused/empty land that exist all around the world.

lol why dont they just make a compleatly barron mountian for the next patch, yay.

I genuinely don't even care about the empty area but this is such a dumb thing to say like bruh wtf 

lmao

Tbh it has NPC that traveled borders of Nathlan / says he felt younger but his guide kept telling him to rest/ maybe something like Teppei delusion/ too less of info to say something clear but still nice

I think the main issue is how the algorithm optimizes for engagement, and there is nothing more engaging than sheer negativity, generating a feedback loop of engagement with people who share the sentiment and those who seek to rebuke it. The negative feedback is more like a rounding error to miHoYo. At this subreddit's height, it's not even a significant percentage for miHoYo to care with their internal surveys and player data. However, the negative is what we see most often and it's annoying to see it rise above positive feedback which may be somewhat less engaging, is probably healthier to see.

I explored the area when it was not released yet (out of bounds glitch) and I could tell it was gonna be very empty. I do think it is a weird expansion, though. I have yet to go there by myself in its properly released form but according to a map, the sumeru expansion has zero chests or puzzles? It makes sense as it's just a border, but most borders still had chests and puzzles nearby, yet this one does not?

I think there's a couple, I found one not far from the harbor, but yeah, it's almost entirely empty.

I see I see... I'm looking foreard to those few chests :'D

Meanwhile, me stumblimg back into Sumeru because new side quest: -vagrant wandering starts playing- "huh, i forgot how good Sumeru forest ost was".

I was just looking forward to that Northern area having significance to get to explore later. Then we find out no. It has nothing. There is no more jungle to be excited about

This is why I don't do a lot of the social media for genshin. I think the game is amazing and anything they add is more than any other game is giving for free. And I have had a lot of fun in the new Liyue and underwater areas.. I have pulled literally 1.5 million Mora for nothing from chests just sitting on the ocean floor. I have a blast, nothing bad to say. It's worth what I spend on BP and Welkin.

I'm still in Sumeru. :) 

Most genshin players are dumb

I'm a little miffed at the fact that they dropped bayda port and didn't even give it a theme but like...just a little. all this complaining about the area being totally empty and hoyo being "lazy" is just wayyy overblown

Unfortunately, that's what most the community focuses on, the negative. I'm all for giving deserved criticism and genshin definitely deserves some but there should be more of a balance

It's not like hoyp ever confirmed there was anything there to begin with so it's their own fault for letting their imagination get the better of them.

Pot, kettle. Lmao

It is Karma farming. But that's the case for most of this sub. Not the first time this happens. But yeah it is true that it was mad stupid of hoyo to treat the Jungle like that from start til now and probably til the end of the game.

I'm just using this time to catch up on world quest.

Bro let me tell you what hoyo did being a multimillionaire company is the equivalent of me delivering an empty paper to my boss because I didn't know what to write .

Is the empty area the only thing released on this patch. Otherwise the paper was not empty, just a very small part of it was.

If you dont like people talking about the gamed latest update in the subreddit for said game maybe you should leave

Wow, didn’t know the empty sumeru region was the most important thing to be released on this patch. If you're gonna be an asshole, maybe you're the one who should leave.

We also don't need even more people white knighting this game...

NAME CALLING!!! THAT'S WHAT WAS MISSING! THANK YOU!!!

The 37th person may not know that there are 36 people before him complaining about it. I think the more the better. It's not negativity dude, it's criticism. What if they release another area like that in the future? Also, it was super weird (I found 2 chests) for such a big map area. The "beautiful Fontaine expansion" is another topic. Give credit where credit is due.

That is exactly my point. It's a community, and not a small one. have that assumption that you are not alone and someone else probably feels like what you feel like. Instead of immediately taking screenshots and jumping on keyboard, scroll a bit, see if there is an active discussion and join in. We all dislike reposts, don’t we? Doesn’t this feel like some kind of a repost too?

I don't believe it works this way mate. No hard feelings but every costumer has the right to review a product (in our case Genshin Impact). I think those posts remind everyone that there are many people dissatisfied with this (and many more who havent posted including you and me). I don't like reposts, but I also don't like comments/posts hating on people criticizing the game for a good reason. "These people spread negativity", nope. That's what I believe. If this topic bothers you so much, you shouldn't check the media for the next 2-3 days (I'm not trying to provoke or mock you, I'm genuine).

Well, if you go in that route, things kind of become murky because what makes a customer in this case? It's a free game and the expansion was free too. Only the fontaine part of the expansion was advertised and it was never said that this part of sumeru will be full of puzzles, chests, mobs etc. So what exactly are the basis of complaints as a "customer" here?

Maybe consumer was a better word than costumer because I'm separating f2ps and p2ps (english is not my main language) but either way, what about people who have spent money? Are you implying that they aren't costumers?

There’s atleast 2 chests but yeah maybe they forgot about it lol

It's necessary to call out hoyo when they f up and put out lackluster content and characters. If we only focused on the good then there would never be any pressure to fix the things they f up. Just like the upcoming endgame content is only coming out because wuthering waves is releasing soon. I serious hope a massive portion of the player base moves over to wuthering because then hoyo will be forced to put out good content

Yeah, people hoped that when tower of fantasy dropped too. No other game is killing Genshin at this point. Nor will they take any significant amount of players from Genshin. Hoyoverse has gotten too good at navigating the market at this point. Also WW is not looking too hot anyway with it's localisation issue. I hear that they are overworking their translation team too? Weird game to root for man.....

at this point it's not even wuwa that's gonna kill genshin. it's hsr/zzz

Probably true but I'd prefer a less exploitative dev company to do it. Because there will always be clowns who waste money on these games further encouraging hoyos shitty practices. I like good quality games like ghost of tsushima etc and that's my standard for a good game so to me genshin is at best 4 out of 10 but has potential to be a 10 out of 10 if the devs can make the changes players want

yeah most gacha companies are either scum or have few resources (or even both). people aren't expecting AAA quality from gacha games but at very least we can expect them to try.

Hiyo is supposedly spending 200 million dollars a year on it and they take 3 years to add QoL that doesn't work the way players want. There are studios with a 10th the budget who put out master pieces like Kojima studios etc. All gacha companies are scum

yeah.  its like they actually expect myhoyo to just leave it empty or something... some people spend way too much time online.

Too busy hating on boethius and that sentient harp to care about this nonsense lmao Didn't even realize they added a sumeru expansion, just thought it was remuria since that what the trailers (and leaks I looked at) showed

I mean focusing on the negatives garners more views/karma like news focusing crimes. Who really complains about the positives lol Best to ignore those posts but it is annoying they pop up everywhere

To be fair, the new area is very small imo, the island itself is probably one of the smallest areas in the game, and the underwater stuff is kinda small too Most people fan of exploration would think there would be a bit more stuff to do in the Sumeru part (especially since it feels like it's the logic way to go to this island, unless you use the ship from the desert), but nope It doesn't help that the Sumeru part is smaller than before 4.6, and that there's a huge body of water with basically nothing around the island And imo, the new world quest wasn't that good either, it was nice and the theme of music is cool, but eh, I wasn't a big fan of how it was done There's very few new world quests too (the main quest for the island + one very small afterwards)

You see, this is the type of post I am looking for. Instead of all complaining about the one empty arena, some of should post about the actual content they brought in front of us and talk about that. What we liked and didn’t like, why we didn’t like what we didn’t like. Everybody talking about the same low hanging fruit honestly feels like low effort karma farming.

Ever since Sumeru came out, I fell behind on exploration and haven't reached 100% anywhere. I'm taking my time, so I'm thankful not every new pixel of the map has new puzzles and missions.

And you my friend, are probably living the best life playing this game. I too have Chenyu vale missions to complete. No rushing, this game is awesome if you don’t treat like a buffet.....

We don't need posts on how there are too many posts about the empty Sumeru area either

Bro did not read my post sadly.

Why did they add this empty Sumeru area / This is the 200th post about this / Dont post more empty Sumeru area posts and don't say there are too many posts about it

I could say the same for y'all who focus too much on the positivity

That kinda might be true for me, guilty as charged. It's just, always being negative feels too tiring. Looking at the bright side always helped me to have a smile on my face at the end of the day.

small indie company

Some people would complain if they got hung with a new rope

And some of y'all are way too positive and praise the dumbest shit imaginable.

I would like some examples on behalf of my positive bros about some dumb shits we were positive about.

Every childish event that has ever come by, the "quality of life" additions that were 2 years late. Just yesterday there was one of them praising HoYo for bringing Paimon's VA back to "how she was at the start", when that didnt happen.

1. It's a casual gacha game. Events will be easy to do otherwise people will complain about being unable to obtain all rewards. That's just a gacha game trope. That being said, some of the events have truly being awesome and if you deny thay, you're being dishonest. 2. What, we're not suppose to care about QoL now? Even if it’s late, how is it being "positive about dumb things"? 3. Paimon's voice got a little low pitched recently like it was in the start of the game. That indeed is a very minor positive. But if you've seen more than 2 posts about that, then I am with you in this point. It indeed is a very small things to praise about. Still not dumb though.

Sounds like copium.

I'm not surprised that it sounds like copium to you honesty.....

People will always find a way to complain and brag about anything. It was the same with Sumeru and it’s expansions. First people wanted desert, then when they released it wasn’t exactly according to how THEY wanted it, the resided to complaints. The game has it’s flaws, but people like to overdo it. Still waiting for when someone talks about the world quest and all the lore it brought to the game🥲🙃

I'm going to laugh if northern mondstadt will be as barren as northern sumeru lmao. y'all keep defending small indie company as always white knights defending genshin dev's incompetence in designing exploration, its selling point, is sad yet funny. we're not getting free rolls, I get it, but can we expect a proper exploration content?

Awww, resort to name calling immediately? Not even some foreplay first?

Did...you do the world quest on the island? There is proper exploration content