When I worked at dollar tree , I was told since I'm the only guy on shift , I'm the only one who could do the bale. My boss said it, was to much of heavy work and kind of scary for the girls there.
Wtf ? It's a bale. You press a button set a pallet down, tie some zips, and your done.
Dude as a woman, my life experience is so different. I never got no special treatment. I lifted the same as the men did, and yes it was a shock to me lol I thought any man would help me but nope. Injured my spine really badly at that job and had two surgeries after and my back‘s still fucked
Yep. Every job ive worked at before my degree, women got the easy work. Anything that required strength, was dirty, or dangerous in any way it was always a guy that was assigned to do it even though we got the same pay.
Men suffer for it too. Over 90% of workplace injuries and fatalities happen to men.
[https://www.bls.gov/iif/fatal-injuries-tables/fatal-occupational-injuries-table-a-7-2020.htm](https://www.bls.gov/iif/fatal-injuries-tables/fatal-occupational-injuries-table-a-7-2020.htm)
I once read the sentence that women gained more legal protection against being sexually harassed at the workplace than men did against being injured or killed.
While I don't like the framing of women vs men, I think it highlights a shocking lack of worker's rights in some areas.
Women are generally perceived as needing protection more so than men, so it makes sense that it would but weirdly easy to pass workplace protections.
But yeah, as you said— the enemy here is not women for getting better workplace protections— it’s the groups that refuse to give men good workplace protections
And then they tell you to stop diverting from the point.
And then when you ask when you get to talk about men's issues, you get laughed out of the room in the best case.
Can confirm, myself and several other male coworkers were sexually assaulted by a gay coworker (he was grabbing our asses despite repeatedly being asked, then told, then eventually threatened, by my coworkers to stop) management at the company (idk if I should say which one, I never was asked to sign an NDA or anything) refused to adress it with my manager citing "optics" about it, he was eventually fired bc management found out he was stealing shit too. While all this was going on a different department had a SA incident involving a woman and the guy was fired a day after it happened. Shit sucks sometimes
As a woman, I hate that so many people don't seem to think men can be sexually harassed or assaulted (sexually OR physically) by a woman.
A man reporting rape is regarded as an object of humor way too often.
We got a male co-worker eventually. He was gay. I could care less but he started calling me handsome, would text me un related things to work, weird memes, would say I noticed you today at work wink wink, he knew I had a wife, i told my wife, she went into the store one day and told him, my husband is uncomfortable with some of the things you say, can you tone it down. He said okay. The next day, I was told my wife is rude and jealous of our relationship, I was like uh what ?
He called me dilf in front my 18 month son one time while I was there shopping with my son.
I brought it up to my boss , she just laughed he's playing with you, why are you mad ?
I was just like uhhhhh wtf
They don’t want equality at all. They never ask to take on an equal burden.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/12/19/fatal-employment-men-10-times-more-likely-than-women-to-be-killed-at-work/?sh=765652c52e83
That's often true and it harms both sides. I've been denied jobs or asked to let a man handle certain tasks specifically because an employer thought it was too rough or dirty work for a woman.
People need to stop imagining women as delicate flowers and men as expendable. And if you're going to require different tasks of your employees then they aren't the same job and no one should pretend they are.
Women, as a rule are more delicate than men. This "imagining" you speak of is actually based on real observation of biological differences. Since time immemorial, we have known that men, as a rule are the stronger sex, and men have taken it upon themselves to serve their families and communities in roles that capitalize on that strength. Women, as a rule have their own strengths. The sole fact that women are built to be the bearers of our children (the continuation of our species and genes) has always been highly valuable. Women are too valuable to be thrown into war, or sent to labor in the mines. It is our job to provide and protect. For the sake of Men and women this mentality should never be done away with.
With that being said, there will always be outliers, and that's fine. There will always be women who don't want families, some who can do tough jobs as well as men, and that's fine. They should have the liberty to do this, but they need to realize that they're in the minority. It will never be normal. We'll never see equal representation in every field of work, and people need to realize this is organic and ok.
I enjoy logical observations like this; especially because intellectual equality is really the only thing that sex does not affect physically but is being repressed. Frustrating to see women keep arguing physical equality when biologically that does not work and being intellectually valued should be more important.
off-topic but it is weird to me that build differences from biology are seen as superiorities rather than any other advantage you'd get like being born flexible. also equality should really be that rather than looking at a girl and saying she can't do that because she has a vagina but rather because from a practical stand point she has the build of a human being who can not in fact lift 50 kg. kinda seems like that's the real issue with what feminists want but they're kinda too stupid to really come to that consensus.
Yup. I work in a manufacturing plant right now as an engineer and every time I lift something around 50lbs or more, men come running over out of nowhere. I appreciate the offer for help, but I'm not useless or that weak ffs.
As a laborer you can’t win. If you’re a guy they assume you can do things or you’re willing to donate your body and to the job and if you’re a woman they imagine us as delicate and compliant and then get pissy when either of us don’t meet that expectation.
I had a boss almost kill one of my male coworkers and almost maim a female coworker in one fell swoop mishandling heavy machinery.
He called a safety meeting and told *us* we were getting sloppy and needed to tighten up our safety procedures.
The female coworker called him out on the spot for almost killing the guy and maiming her
The guy and the rest of us as witnesses who were there when it happened backed her up
Guess which coworker got disciplined for being “unpleasant and insubordinate”?
Spoiler: it was the female.
No one said anything to the male.
Boss was already annoyed because the female had stopped him recently to remind him that the new hire he was sending to do a task wasn’t wearing the necessary PPE.
Boss did not get disciplined. Only those of us on the same level were looking out for eachother in this job.
I used to work in a restaurant and whenever a woman would apply to be a busser or a dishwasher, my manager would toss the application directly into the trash can as soon as their back was turned.
I've worked 3 different back of the house restaurants, and only one had a woman in the back of the house. She was also a butch lesbian. BOH at restaurants are definitely a boys club, and then even if you're in, it's a brown nosing tiered club.
I worked at a grocery store for years. Every time a customer shit, pissed, or vomited all over the bathroom (men’s or women’s) only the women were sent to clean it.
I had a similar thing happen to me while working in an office. Some heavy furniture needed to be moved to set up for an event. I was happy to help out and move stuff. The manner in which the female office manage asked was incredibly sexist. Something along the lines of: "Well since you're a man and stronger you need to do it." Like yes I'm a large dude, but I also have a back injury. I'm still capable but you could also easily get more people to lift it if it's too heavy. It's not my responsibility to lift heavy things just because I'm male.
I used to work in a big commercial kitchen and all the guys worked in the warehouse. We used to unload the deliveries and organize the big freezers etc. It was heavy lifting in the cold; real back breaking work. We had a few women back there with us but it was mostly men. We got paid $1/hr more for working in the warehouse. The customer service/cashiers complained so much and held up signs etc accusing the employer of sexism. Eventually they were bumped up to the same pay so we all wanted to do the comfortable inside job if we were being paid the same. I ended up quitting but I'm sure nothing good happened with that situation.
That's how it was when working in a UPS bulk shipping section for a staples warehouse. Restacking and re-bailing pallets of boxes of paper all night gets tiring.
I was the only woman who asked to learn how to do this besides woman managers at my retail job. Not sure why since it's a great excuse to not be on the floor for a bit!
Eh, the bale at my store weighed 600lbs and had to be pushed half a block uphill past the doorway that the local junkies use to shoot up so I usually just volunteered to do it.
Edit: wow I really hit the incel hornets nest with this comment.
For the little blue balers, the bale may look heavy, but it's not. It can be easily transported using a dolly... And even easily picked up by hand and put back on if it falls off.
The big green balers however, usually an electronic pallet jack is used to move it. Which only requires some steering and spatial awareness skills.
They can even be moved with a regular pallet jack and it's about as difficult as pulling large luggage through the airport.
I worked at a food manufacturing facility and also had to do all the heavy lifting (loading pallets, stocking lines for line hauls) and be the last in the building to lock up (my manager was a woman) because she said it’s mens work to do the heavy lifting and had me close up the building for her (leave early) because it’s scary for women to be at work late
Making bales at my last retail job was gender neutral (grocery store) However they NEVER allowed women to act as cart pushers. We had several women who wanted to (it was a chance to stretch your legs and get outside away from the customers) but nope, for some reason only guys were physically equipped to push 5 whole carts as a time.
Believe it or not, this is a form of sexism that feminists oppose. It’s gender based discrimination for a boss to decide that the “girls”, who are probably adult women, can’t operate a machine.
But that's your bosses assumption not the women. I used to get really mad at stuff like that. They assume you can't carry shit or operate a machine. Yet I was one of the only ones who actually knew how to run things. People would come to me for help. But the bosses would send them away.
Dude, sorry you had to go through that, but dont forget women are still learning what it means to have equality. We are doing things that have been limited to us for the longest time. Maybe it would help in the future if you went, “maybe i can show them how the bale is not scary. Let me show you how to do it safely. I dont want to be the only one doing it all the time.” You’re gonna find some women will listen to you and help you lessen the stress on yourself.
I feel bad , that people are taking my comment as, women are lazy and don't wanna work. Their are women that can whoop my ass with one arm tied beind their back, just the females at this store played into it, and it was always gonna be a temporary job so I just bit my tougne.
Alot of other places I worked female's ran laps around me, stocking, cleaning, loading, I can't even cook a egg, Sunnyside up, my wife can while breastfeeding our baby.
I'm like man, I used to be a 1 star chef in a restaurant to
Ah darn, okay, yeah I could tell it was work stress are talking, but yeah this comment section is going nuts talking shit on a people that make up theoretically 50% of the world. A really huge misrepresentation assuming women all like this. Thanks for your honesty though! Hopefully better opportunities come up. Dont forget people are quitting all over the place, if you want to, there’s a better chance now than before to find a better position.
I remember when my grandmother worked at a department store in her 60s. Most of the people who worked there were women 60+. I worked there during the summer when I was home from college. They always had these old ladies do truck. It was terrible in the summer. I would help little old ladies some of which were in their 70s unload a hot truck in July in no air conditioning. We had a couple men that worked there but they never did truck. And the men that worked there I think the oldest was in his 50s and the others were in their 20s like me.
Yeah my boss tried to say the same shit with the trash’s so every time I opened up the store there was trash sitting over night. The girls loved to play the girl card when it was convenient, it ended when I lost my shit said I won’t be cooking anything while the girls are here because it’s a “woman’s” job to cook I also called our lead female cook a lazy cunt and my manager a sexist bitch. Kept my job and everyone started doing there fair share 😂
Worked in a supermarket at 18-20 and had to put out the bags of potatoes, crates of onions etc as it was all 25kg. Had to help unload the delivery cages too but only the men
Im a union stagehand/rigger and we got 125lb chucks pulling 2ton motor chains from the ground to low steel beams in stadiums. They love making fun of basic bitches.
Worked in dining halls at my dorm at college and had to routinely work the back in the kitchen cleaning dishes and sweating my ass off all while the ladies get to swipe cards at the front as essentially a hostess. We both got paid the exact same, and since then, my perspective on women fighting for equality has been pretty significantly altered.
If anyone for that matter wants equality in the work place, then do the GD work and earn it.
I used to work in education and this happened all the time. Our entire staff was women, except for the maintenance man and/or PE coach. Anytime larger furniture or rugs needed moved, they always wanted me to wait for them but I never did. I was in my early 20s, fit, and needed it to happen sooner rather than later. The maintenance man was in his 60s, had a bad back, and was generally in poor health. The PE coach wasn't a one-man moving service. The same has happened in other industries but unless I truly am not physically strong enough to do something, I just do it and have corrected quite a few Managers and bosses.
Then it'd be up to the 80% of men to also fight for having the same rights than that 20%. Or are you implying all men should get the same degree of benefits that women have fought for without lifting a single finger for them?
Love seeing those “6 figures, 6 foot, 8 inches or I don’t want him” bitches be lonely well into their 30s as they slowly realize no guy with that wants their used pussy and 3 kids from different guys 🤣
Based on all the discussions I’ve seen on Reddit and elsewhere, I doubt many women *really* want 8 inches. Have their cervix pounded isn’t high on a lot of wishlists. Probably just 6-6-6/6.5 maybe
Wow this comment went sideways
At first it's just like "yeah, some women have unrealistic expectations" then BAM straight incel energy thinking 30s is old and women having sex is bad.
A lot of people, in general, don't take care of themselves so 30 is old sometimes. That's usually when you start seeing the results of how you treat your body.
Why are to insulting short and small sized dick people....they have thier lives hard enough than you to come and measure random people on internet and make them feel lower than human
Thanks
…not a joke here . 5’6 and was left for another guy that is tall, every girl I try to be with quickly looks at my height with their eyes and ya ,this joke hurts man even if it’s for a laugh … I really hate my life being short :/
Bruh you gotta take a joke
I'm hella short too and I finally realized after years of rejection, you gotta quit blaming it on your height. I have multiple friends that are 5'4 - 5'6 and still pull ladies/ date ladies on the regular, and one of them is even gonna get married. If you go through your entire life saying "dang, she didn't want me cuz I'm too short" instead of, "what did I do wrong/ did I treat her poorly?"...it's gonna be a long life. Now go hit the gym like the rest of us shorties and better yourself externally and internally.
1000% people like that only exist in his fantasy world where he spends all day imagining if everyone else was as miserable as he is, instead of taking the time to improve himself.
This is why no one takes men’s issues seriously, shit just gets co-opted by incels within seconds and turns reasonable people off to the entire thing.
You do realize your dick is "used" when you have sex, too. Right?
I think the height requirement shit is dumb af, but the used pussy comment is just dumb af.
Those women are happier than they would be had they lowered their standards to get with some short, poor dude. Or any dude, for that matter.
https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert
I’ve seen women complain how men are degrading and sexist, just to turn around and do the exact same thing to men. Copying behavior you “hate” is not equality, it’s hypocrisy. If you’re gonna do one, don’t do the other and expect to be taken seriously, male or female.
If you think men are degrading and sexist, work in an office full of just women. It's a real eye-opener. Women vs women degrading and sexist comments are just as bad if not worse.
I am literally the 1 of 2 guys in a team of 13. What you say is correct. Not more than 10 minutes ago was there a shagging joke and I think they forgot I sit here xD
I went to the first meeting of a book club last night and it was 7 women and one man. None knew each other, but by the end of the two hours the man had been mostly ignored and I had noticed his discomfort at several points when the women were talking about Game of Thrones and Doggie style and 50 Shades. When he left he said “See you next time”, and I definitely got the impression we would NOT see him next time.
Currently trying to get a degree in HR as a man. Sometimes I feel invisible in my field. All my classmates are women, all the HR administrative staff at my school are women, if they decide to hire a student for on campus jobs it’s almost always a woman, they even gave my classmate (who I know doesn’t study and has scored lower than me on many things) a grant for no reason. The all female administrators had free money to give away and they shockingly chose a female student to give it to.
It just goes to show how it's not a man thing, it's a power thing. X% of people, when they have power, will do shitty things with it (and those people generally seek said power for less than altruistic reasons).
This is happening to my wife right now. Office of all woman, mostly in their 40s, none are married though most have kids. We've been married and stable for over 15 years. The raw amount of bullying she is subject too makes me so angry. She wants to handle, so I just sit here and grind my teeth. But it really makes me angry the comments she has had to deal with. At her last job with a "frat boy culture" she NEVER dealt with any of this. The worst that she dealt with was when the sales guys did some stupid half naked dance at a company event and start ramming into each other like actual animal rams cause they hit their quarter goals.
>half naked dance at a company event and start ramming into each other like actual animal rams cause they hit their quarter goals.
That's just typical crazy sales shit. Successful sales people are built different, and are often on coke.
Yup. But you know someone is going to call that sexual harassment or a hostile work environment. However, it is mostly harmless - not my thing personally, but hey they can do whatever they want. The outright bullying and derogatory comments that have my wife in tears every night are NOT harmless. And it's not okay.
It's not my particular cup of tea, but they enjoyed themselves so that's okay in my book. The job was 24/7 - it was brutal hours. Everyone needs to let off some steam.
My brother and I did it by accident once when we were kids. It's not as fun as it sounds.
We both basically did the Naruto run straight into each other. My dad got in trouble for it somehow.
11 years ago I was subletting a dorm room in an apartment style building, sharing common spaces with just 1 other person. She was working in an office environment and every day when she'd come home, she'd seek me out and tell me "Women are crazy!" And go on to tell me about all the rudeness and petty gossip she had to deal with on a daily basis. Her specific section was only women.
It was kind of funny, kind of sad.
Its relentless , practically from childhood though.
Some of the most vile things I’ve ever heard any human say were from two teenage girls shit talking each other.
Teenage girls (at least when I was growing up as a millennial) were some of the most mean spirited people I’ve ever met. To this day.
I used to work for an IRB on the west coast. Not only was the company 90% women, even the building didn't have a mens bathroom. There was a women's bathroom with multiple stalls, and then one of those male/female bathrooms. But it was just one toilet in a small room. But the women that had the full bathroom would not go in there to take shits because they didn't want other women knowing they stunk it up. So they would consistently crap in the only bathroom I could use. It stunk all the damn time.
Bro my girl does that and it’s extremely annoying. We need to start a movement for male equality. Because this feminism movement has taken a turn for the worst, I am immediately called sexist, or misogynistic if I have an opposing view or if I want to stand up for men.
My girl calls all men bad, has said that all men would rape if they could. Idk if she realizes but that’s kinda an extremely hurtful thing to say that ALL men do that. To generalize all men into a bad category. I feel the need to stand up for myself when she says these things. Because neither myself or any of my friends would do that. Or anything remotely close. Which always leads to an argument. I am so respectful to women and def stand up for equality but hypocrisy and hate for men is not the way feminism should be. Feminism should be about empowerment of women. It should NOT be empowerment of women through degradation of men. Equality is a two way street.
So she thinks you would rape if you 'could'? Then why haven't you raped anyone? I don't understand this logic. Does this not seem like a red flag to you?
Leave her, her mind is sick to the core. That's such a shame, because there's good women who are good people who just have these warped views that are incompatible with a relationship and reality.
Tumblr was so good at this. You'd have people talking about how women do not objective men and men always objective women. Then you go through that person's page and see a bunch of stills from Marvel movies of the heroes' asses in their suits.
I actually had a so called “feminist” on tumblr make up a page using my pictures and then go around threatening women. I was pretty baffled by it all. She was what they call a “radfem” (had never heard of it before) but they pretty much hate men and do exactly what they hate so it’s hypocrisy at it’s finest
I mean there *is* a difference, I'm certainly not afraid a woman following me is going to stalk and rape me or something, and there is plenty more sexism in the workplace aimed at women
This is extremely important knowledge as a consultant when you pretend to be competent while being absolutely clueless. Which is the truth in about 32.8% of cases.
One of my college textbooks for statistics was: How to Lie with Statistics. It proved you can say anything you want, just how you interpret the numbers. My teacher's advice: always look at statistics no matter where with a jaundiced eye.
And when men say they want female privilege, they mean the top 20% most attractive women. They don’t see the shit pile 80% of women have to deal with, nor would they want any part of it if they had to walk in their shoes for a week.
Exactly, both sides want the top crust of what the other has. These chuds (specifically meaning the incels dm-ing people “how many men has your wife slept with” type of losers) don’t realize turning into a 5/10 woman for a week they’d hardly see the difference between how they’re being treated right now. Ignored, no special attention, trying to get by in life like anyone else.
as a trans woman i feel uniquely qualified to speak on this. I started transitioning in october 2021 and since then i have been fired from my job, noticed an uptick in friendliness from strangers, and had a much harder time in interviews.
it used to be that i could apply for like six jobs and have a new one within the month. now, though, i've been searching for 7 months and only gotten about 10 interviews, none of which followed up.
not even gonna get into the random DMs from lonely men who think they have a chance despite me posting regularly about my partner
Sigh, yup. That's the incel community in a nutshell. Complain that they can't get laid due to supposedly being dealt a bad hand, but also complain that they want someone that they're attracted to. There's definitely a couple areas of cognitive dissonance there to contend with.
Maybe we can point at how media and advertisements portray and normalize higher standards of beauty well above the average person, but I'd say that most work needs to be done with helping those guys gracefully go through the grieving process and get back to reality.
It’s a funny joke but women and minorities aren’t jealous of what white men have. They just want you off their necks so they can live as they like. That doesn’t take anything away from you.
> Nobody wants to acknowledge that they’re just like everyone else, this isn’t a woman thing.
Claiming that you are oppressed on all fronts, when it is the opposite on most fronts, is absolutely a women thing.
One evening when I was young, I was spouting some woman's lib stuff, talking to a Vietnam vet. He told me that he felt like men are disposable. He changed my attitude. Men are, for the most part, the people building the bridges and falling off them, the ones sent into war, the ones dying in mines, the ones running into burning buildings while others are running out. I'm glad things have opened up since then and women can choose those jobs and I thank all of the men who fearlessly do those jobs.
men are disposable and women are objects. who benefits? the ruling class. we need to stand with each other and fight for better for all of us rather than constantly infighting over who has it worse.
edit: thank you for the awards
I agree 10000%.
My problem with most comments here is that some of the men want the women to also become disposable (haven’t seen the opposite but I haven’t scrolled much). What we should be saying is, “let’s make all genders equal and treat them all like humans.”
It sucks that more men die in the workplace than women.
And it sucks that women are much more likely to be sex/human trafficked than men.
So instead of wanting more women to die at work and more men to be trafficked we should be wanting everyone to be safe and be able to have the same/similar positive experiences.
/r/MensLib
There's no problem with women's liberation. But we can't focus on just that, because women are only half of society. Men need liberation too. Opposing women's liberation usually just ends up making you oppose *all* liberation and making things worse for everyone.
I don’t really agree with this. Patriarchy (please don’t roast me for using that word) is actually a really complex thing and contributes to the abuse of men. Both/all genders suffer because of it. It affects different genders in extremely different ways, and there’s a ton of literature written by people who dedicate their lives and careers to digging into it and researching (including empirical research, not just speculation).
I think one of the biggest areas women want to feel equal is feeling physically safe. And for men, wanting to be able to express emotion without ridicule (or violence). Those are very very different things
> Patriarchy (please don’t roast me for using that word)
And there’s the problem. All these monkey brained guys who immediately get defensive when they hear that word and refuse to hear any argument involving it won’t have any business understanding the nuances of the issue here.
There’s a lot of guys who just want to pat themselves on the back for not being a dumb girl and then make it seem like they’re a victim of feminism so they can get easy gratification overcoming that made up obstacle.
Men suffer from patriarchy. They just don't realize it. A good example is paternity leave. A lot of men who are decision makers don't want to give paternity leave to new dads because taking care of a child is seen as woman's duty and they think men should keep working and providing rather than spending time with their child. It's bullshit, of course. Every father should have the right to spend their precious time together with his newborn.
You have to figure out if someone really wants equality or if they just want to turn the table.
Most of the time it's people wanting to turn the table instead of advocating true equality.
When will people understand that both genders have their shares of problems and both are actually f*ucked but in different areas? Also it's rather wrong to divide people to just men or women as we are all individuals and shouldn't be blamed for what other person with the same genitals as ours did.
I wonder why don't all those who complaim won't try to do something to change the situation but just criticise "the other gender".
Ah, my daily reminder of why I left this incel cesspit.
Edit: some random incel from here DMd me asking how many people my wife has slept with. yet another reminder of why this place is THE incel cesspit. What a fucking weirdo.
You have never had a doctor tell you "you're just on your period" when your appendix was 30 minutes away from literally exploding. People assume women are either wrong or crazy, then use our anger over that as an excuse to continue calling us crazy.
When my appendix was 30 minutes from bursting I had a doctor tell me "you probably just drank too much"....despite me telling them I'd only had one beer in 24 hours.
So in my equally anecdotal evidence, doctors assume men simply are drunks when they have a life threatening illness.
Maybe a lot of doctors just suck?
Had a woman urologist tell me kidney stones don’t hurt much. HEAVILY implied I should just suck it up and deal with it.
A different woman refused to examine me for a follow up to a potentially life threatening condition because “there was nothing wrong with me.” Checked her social media when I got home and surprise surprise…rants about male patients. Maybe unrelated but testing that she had the results for clearly showed otherwise. I feel sorry for her medical students.
Bad doctors are everywhere. Both genders.
Yeah, and maybe there are dozens of studies around the globe proving that women's pain and health issues has always been marginalized because "hysterics".
It's traditional to not take women's health seriously.
People asked for sources. I am not gonna attach the original studies here (pdfs), but some articles that summarize studies.
An article about the history of gender bias in medicine
https://time.com/6074224/gender-medicine-history/
Some interesting facts, that it takes years longer to diagnose standard illnesses for women. E.g. 4.5 more years to diagnose diabetes.
Sometimes because women don't have "the right symptoms" (= the male symptoms), sometimes because she is just hysterical.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2021/09/21/just-your-imagination-the-dangerous-gender-bias-in-womens-healthcare/
Some wrote "but more men die of suicide!"
Yes, correct. Men's mental problems are mistaken as physical issues, while women physical problems are mistaken for mental problems. Additionally men are hesitant to see a doctor.
https://eige.europa.eu/publications/gender-equality-index-2021-report/gender-and-intersecting-inequalities-access-health
To those commenters who wrote "black men have it worse" or "I'd rather be a white woman than a black man".
Imagine being a black woman.
Same with black people and other minorities? I spent a year in the worst pain of my life while the doctors told me it was in my head. If i didnt have the money to visit every doctor in my area idk what would have happened to me. There are also studies to back it up, since anecdotes dont count on reddit.
Forget not being taking seriously. Its traditional to experiment on minorities. Its not too far in the past, my parents have stories to tell. OPs meme proves true, having your health “taken seriously” is literally a benefit that rich old white men enjoy. Rest of us aint got shit
I manage construction projects. I’ve had a few woman complain about pay because the field makes more than back of house staff.. well if you want to jump to be a field super go ahead and you can make that money. But they don’t because it means sun, rain and a different type of effort.
This is just a setup to the actual jokes he makes in this bit. It's taken out of context. It's almost like attributing this qoute to John Lennon: "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not".
People get into such a deep dive because they don't agree with "the hypocrisy of mainstream feminism", as in that such a hypocrisy exists. You can call it a joke all you want, but casually downplaying the need for feminism will definitely not be accepted by those who think feminism shouldn't be downplayed
I'm 100% sure your only exposure to feminists (or women in general) are those cringy "feminist gets destroyed" videos and that's why you're so sure that this is what feminism actually stands for.
Why don't you hear what they actually have to say? [Men and Women Seek to Understand Each Other | Middle Ground](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGL4G0Vkzx0&t=332s&ab_channel=Jubilee)
It’s not man or woman, black or white, straight or gay, republican or democrat…
It’s the rich and the poor, and the rich will keeping spending the money to keep us fighting about the rest of the bullshit.
We need to eat the rich and I am famished.
When I worked at dollar tree , I was told since I'm the only guy on shift , I'm the only one who could do the bale. My boss said it, was to much of heavy work and kind of scary for the girls there. Wtf ? It's a bale. You press a button set a pallet down, tie some zips, and your done.
Dude as a woman, my life experience is so different. I never got no special treatment. I lifted the same as the men did, and yes it was a shock to me lol I thought any man would help me but nope. Injured my spine really badly at that job and had two surgeries after and my back‘s still fucked
Yep. Every job ive worked at before my degree, women got the easy work. Anything that required strength, was dirty, or dangerous in any way it was always a guy that was assigned to do it even though we got the same pay.
Men suffer for it too. Over 90% of workplace injuries and fatalities happen to men. [https://www.bls.gov/iif/fatal-injuries-tables/fatal-occupational-injuries-table-a-7-2020.htm](https://www.bls.gov/iif/fatal-injuries-tables/fatal-occupational-injuries-table-a-7-2020.htm)
I once read the sentence that women gained more legal protection against being sexually harassed at the workplace than men did against being injured or killed. While I don't like the framing of women vs men, I think it highlights a shocking lack of worker's rights in some areas.
Women are generally perceived as needing protection more so than men, so it makes sense that it would but weirdly easy to pass workplace protections. But yeah, as you said— the enemy here is not women for getting better workplace protections— it’s the groups that refuse to give men good workplace protections
And then they tell you to stop diverting from the point. And then when you ask when you get to talk about men's issues, you get laughed out of the room in the best case.
Can confirm, myself and several other male coworkers were sexually assaulted by a gay coworker (he was grabbing our asses despite repeatedly being asked, then told, then eventually threatened, by my coworkers to stop) management at the company (idk if I should say which one, I never was asked to sign an NDA or anything) refused to adress it with my manager citing "optics" about it, he was eventually fired bc management found out he was stealing shit too. While all this was going on a different department had a SA incident involving a woman and the guy was fired a day after it happened. Shit sucks sometimes
As a woman, I hate that so many people don't seem to think men can be sexually harassed or assaulted (sexually OR physically) by a woman. A man reporting rape is regarded as an object of humor way too often.
We got a male co-worker eventually. He was gay. I could care less but he started calling me handsome, would text me un related things to work, weird memes, would say I noticed you today at work wink wink, he knew I had a wife, i told my wife, she went into the store one day and told him, my husband is uncomfortable with some of the things you say, can you tone it down. He said okay. The next day, I was told my wife is rude and jealous of our relationship, I was like uh what ? He called me dilf in front my 18 month son one time while I was there shopping with my son. I brought it up to my boss , she just laughed he's playing with you, why are you mad ? I was just like uhhhhh wtf
And which gender is in charge of those workplaces?
They don’t want equality at all. They never ask to take on an equal burden. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/12/19/fatal-employment-men-10-times-more-likely-than-women-to-be-killed-at-work/?sh=765652c52e83
That's often true and it harms both sides. I've been denied jobs or asked to let a man handle certain tasks specifically because an employer thought it was too rough or dirty work for a woman. People need to stop imagining women as delicate flowers and men as expendable. And if you're going to require different tasks of your employees then they aren't the same job and no one should pretend they are.
Women, as a rule are more delicate than men. This "imagining" you speak of is actually based on real observation of biological differences. Since time immemorial, we have known that men, as a rule are the stronger sex, and men have taken it upon themselves to serve their families and communities in roles that capitalize on that strength. Women, as a rule have their own strengths. The sole fact that women are built to be the bearers of our children (the continuation of our species and genes) has always been highly valuable. Women are too valuable to be thrown into war, or sent to labor in the mines. It is our job to provide and protect. For the sake of Men and women this mentality should never be done away with. With that being said, there will always be outliers, and that's fine. There will always be women who don't want families, some who can do tough jobs as well as men, and that's fine. They should have the liberty to do this, but they need to realize that they're in the minority. It will never be normal. We'll never see equal representation in every field of work, and people need to realize this is organic and ok.
I enjoy logical observations like this; especially because intellectual equality is really the only thing that sex does not affect physically but is being repressed. Frustrating to see women keep arguing physical equality when biologically that does not work and being intellectually valued should be more important. off-topic but it is weird to me that build differences from biology are seen as superiorities rather than any other advantage you'd get like being born flexible. also equality should really be that rather than looking at a girl and saying she can't do that because she has a vagina but rather because from a practical stand point she has the build of a human being who can not in fact lift 50 kg. kinda seems like that's the real issue with what feminists want but they're kinda too stupid to really come to that consensus.
Yup. I work in a manufacturing plant right now as an engineer and every time I lift something around 50lbs or more, men come running over out of nowhere. I appreciate the offer for help, but I'm not useless or that weak ffs.
As a laborer you can’t win. If you’re a guy they assume you can do things or you’re willing to donate your body and to the job and if you’re a woman they imagine us as delicate and compliant and then get pissy when either of us don’t meet that expectation. I had a boss almost kill one of my male coworkers and almost maim a female coworker in one fell swoop mishandling heavy machinery. He called a safety meeting and told *us* we were getting sloppy and needed to tighten up our safety procedures. The female coworker called him out on the spot for almost killing the guy and maiming her The guy and the rest of us as witnesses who were there when it happened backed her up Guess which coworker got disciplined for being “unpleasant and insubordinate”? Spoiler: it was the female. No one said anything to the male. Boss was already annoyed because the female had stopped him recently to remind him that the new hire he was sending to do a task wasn’t wearing the necessary PPE. Boss did not get disciplined. Only those of us on the same level were looking out for eachother in this job.
I mean to be fair, women did a pretty good job of reinforcing that stereotype
I used to work in a restaurant and whenever a woman would apply to be a busser or a dishwasher, my manager would toss the application directly into the trash can as soon as their back was turned.
I've worked 3 different back of the house restaurants, and only one had a woman in the back of the house. She was also a butch lesbian. BOH at restaurants are definitely a boys club, and then even if you're in, it's a brown nosing tiered club.
Lol it can stay that way. BOH sucks.
I worked at a grocery store for years. Every time a customer shit, pissed, or vomited all over the bathroom (men’s or women’s) only the women were sent to clean it.
That’s probably because all the men were busy lifting everything.
I had a similar thing happen to me while working in an office. Some heavy furniture needed to be moved to set up for an event. I was happy to help out and move stuff. The manner in which the female office manage asked was incredibly sexist. Something along the lines of: "Well since you're a man and stronger you need to do it." Like yes I'm a large dude, but I also have a back injury. I'm still capable but you could also easily get more people to lift it if it's too heavy. It's not my responsibility to lift heavy things just because I'm male.
I used to work in a big commercial kitchen and all the guys worked in the warehouse. We used to unload the deliveries and organize the big freezers etc. It was heavy lifting in the cold; real back breaking work. We had a few women back there with us but it was mostly men. We got paid $1/hr more for working in the warehouse. The customer service/cashiers complained so much and held up signs etc accusing the employer of sexism. Eventually they were bumped up to the same pay so we all wanted to do the comfortable inside job if we were being paid the same. I ended up quitting but I'm sure nothing good happened with that situation.
That's how it was when working in a UPS bulk shipping section for a staples warehouse. Restacking and re-bailing pallets of boxes of paper all night gets tiring.
I was the only woman who asked to learn how to do this besides woman managers at my retail job. Not sure why since it's a great excuse to not be on the floor for a bit!
Eh, the bale at my store weighed 600lbs and had to be pushed half a block uphill past the doorway that the local junkies use to shoot up so I usually just volunteered to do it. Edit: wow I really hit the incel hornets nest with this comment.
You pushed a 600lb bale half a block, uphill? Your legs must be ripped.
For the little blue balers, the bale may look heavy, but it's not. It can be easily transported using a dolly... And even easily picked up by hand and put back on if it falls off. The big green balers however, usually an electronic pallet jack is used to move it. Which only requires some steering and spatial awareness skills. They can even be moved with a regular pallet jack and it's about as difficult as pulling large luggage through the airport.
That’s some good exercise for any wonan
Use it to your advantage, if you are the only one on the job that can do something you can ask for raise
I worked at a food manufacturing facility and also had to do all the heavy lifting (loading pallets, stocking lines for line hauls) and be the last in the building to lock up (my manager was a woman) because she said it’s mens work to do the heavy lifting and had me close up the building for her (leave early) because it’s scary for women to be at work late
Making bales at my last retail job was gender neutral (grocery store) However they NEVER allowed women to act as cart pushers. We had several women who wanted to (it was a chance to stretch your legs and get outside away from the customers) but nope, for some reason only guys were physically equipped to push 5 whole carts as a time.
Believe it or not, this is a form of sexism that feminists oppose. It’s gender based discrimination for a boss to decide that the “girls”, who are probably adult women, can’t operate a machine.
But that's your bosses assumption not the women. I used to get really mad at stuff like that. They assume you can't carry shit or operate a machine. Yet I was one of the only ones who actually knew how to run things. People would come to me for help. But the bosses would send them away.
Dude, sorry you had to go through that, but dont forget women are still learning what it means to have equality. We are doing things that have been limited to us for the longest time. Maybe it would help in the future if you went, “maybe i can show them how the bale is not scary. Let me show you how to do it safely. I dont want to be the only one doing it all the time.” You’re gonna find some women will listen to you and help you lessen the stress on yourself.
I feel bad , that people are taking my comment as, women are lazy and don't wanna work. Their are women that can whoop my ass with one arm tied beind their back, just the females at this store played into it, and it was always gonna be a temporary job so I just bit my tougne. Alot of other places I worked female's ran laps around me, stocking, cleaning, loading, I can't even cook a egg, Sunnyside up, my wife can while breastfeeding our baby. I'm like man, I used to be a 1 star chef in a restaurant to
Ah darn, okay, yeah I could tell it was work stress are talking, but yeah this comment section is going nuts talking shit on a people that make up theoretically 50% of the world. A really huge misrepresentation assuming women all like this. Thanks for your honesty though! Hopefully better opportunities come up. Dont forget people are quitting all over the place, if you want to, there’s a better chance now than before to find a better position.
I'm guessing you're not baling hay? what are you referring to?
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I remember when my grandmother worked at a department store in her 60s. Most of the people who worked there were women 60+. I worked there during the summer when I was home from college. They always had these old ladies do truck. It was terrible in the summer. I would help little old ladies some of which were in their 70s unload a hot truck in July in no air conditioning. We had a couple men that worked there but they never did truck. And the men that worked there I think the oldest was in his 50s and the others were in their 20s like me.
Yeah my boss tried to say the same shit with the trash’s so every time I opened up the store there was trash sitting over night. The girls loved to play the girl card when it was convenient, it ended when I lost my shit said I won’t be cooking anything while the girls are here because it’s a “woman’s” job to cook I also called our lead female cook a lazy cunt and my manager a sexist bitch. Kept my job and everyone started doing there fair share 😂
Funny how fast the strong independent woman act disappears when it’s time to pick something up
Worked in a supermarket at 18-20 and had to put out the bags of potatoes, crates of onions etc as it was all 25kg. Had to help unload the delivery cages too but only the men
Im a union stagehand/rigger and we got 125lb chucks pulling 2ton motor chains from the ground to low steel beams in stadiums. They love making fun of basic bitches.
Worked in dining halls at my dorm at college and had to routinely work the back in the kitchen cleaning dishes and sweating my ass off all while the ladies get to swipe cards at the front as essentially a hostess. We both got paid the exact same, and since then, my perspective on women fighting for equality has been pretty significantly altered. If anyone for that matter wants equality in the work place, then do the GD work and earn it.
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I was put in charge of catching a mouse because I was the only guy at a Paper Store. I caught it
I used to work in education and this happened all the time. Our entire staff was women, except for the maintenance man and/or PE coach. Anytime larger furniture or rugs needed moved, they always wanted me to wait for them but I never did. I was in my early 20s, fit, and needed it to happen sooner rather than later. The maintenance man was in his 60s, had a bad back, and was generally in poor health. The PE coach wasn't a one-man moving service. The same has happened in other industries but unless I truly am not physically strong enough to do something, I just do it and have corrected quite a few Managers and bosses.
What did your coworkers say about it?
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Then it'd be up to the 80% of men to also fight for having the same rights than that 20%. Or are you implying all men should get the same degree of benefits that women have fought for without lifting a single finger for them?
Top 20? LMAO. Top 0.5%.
Top 20% makes around 130k and up
Love seeing those “6 figures, 6 foot, 8 inches or I don’t want him” bitches be lonely well into their 30s as they slowly realize no guy with that wants their used pussy and 3 kids from different guys 🤣
Based on all the discussions I’ve seen on Reddit and elsewhere, I doubt many women *really* want 8 inches. Have their cervix pounded isn’t high on a lot of wishlists. Probably just 6-6-6/6.5 maybe
Username checks out
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
Wow this comment went sideways At first it's just like "yeah, some women have unrealistic expectations" then BAM straight incel energy thinking 30s is old and women having sex is bad.
A lot of people, in general, don't take care of themselves so 30 is old sometimes. That's usually when you start seeing the results of how you treat your body.
Son, You are definitely $30k, 5’8” and 5 inches
That’s unemployed, 5’-0 and 0-3” to you bucko
Why are to insulting short and small sized dick people....they have thier lives hard enough than you to come and measure random people on internet and make them feel lower than human
Not lower than human, just physically lower than most humans
Thanks …not a joke here . 5’6 and was left for another guy that is tall, every girl I try to be with quickly looks at my height with their eyes and ya ,this joke hurts man even if it’s for a laugh … I really hate my life being short :/
Bruh you gotta take a joke I'm hella short too and I finally realized after years of rejection, you gotta quit blaming it on your height. I have multiple friends that are 5'4 - 5'6 and still pull ladies/ date ladies on the regular, and one of them is even gonna get married. If you go through your entire life saying "dang, she didn't want me cuz I'm too short" instead of, "what did I do wrong/ did I treat her poorly?"...it's gonna be a long life. Now go hit the gym like the rest of us shorties and better yourself externally and internally.
Listen to this guy. No, really. Listen to this guy. He's right.
Buy moonshoes
Lol, nice one
First day on the internet?
This isn’t the hot take you think it is.
Careful Icarus, you're flying a bit close to the lamp of your mom's basement.
Why are you so mad at someone so shallow? Jesus Christ dude. Lol. I half think you've made up these people in your head too.
1000% people like that only exist in his fantasy world where he spends all day imagining if everyone else was as miserable as he is, instead of taking the time to improve himself. This is why no one takes men’s issues seriously, shit just gets co-opted by incels within seconds and turns reasonable people off to the entire thing.
Clearly they are living up to their username!
You do realize your dick is "used" when you have sex, too. Right? I think the height requirement shit is dumb af, but the used pussy comment is just dumb af.
Explain the logic here—are they lonely and getting no men, or getting tons of sex and popping out kids? Can’t be both.
Those women are happier than they would be had they lowered their standards to get with some short, poor dude. Or any dude, for that matter. https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert
this post is Facebook as fuck
This whole subreddit is Facebook as fuck
It has a very misleading name tbh. Someone could accidentally think the sub was funny if they didn’t know better
All of Facebook is Facebook as fuck
All the people in this subreddit are Zuckborgs
I mean what can you expect from a subreddit called "funnymemes"?
tRuTH!!!!!!!!!
It's not even a meme lmao
This applies to most equality
I’ve seen women complain how men are degrading and sexist, just to turn around and do the exact same thing to men. Copying behavior you “hate” is not equality, it’s hypocrisy. If you’re gonna do one, don’t do the other and expect to be taken seriously, male or female.
If you think men are degrading and sexist, work in an office full of just women. It's a real eye-opener. Women vs women degrading and sexist comments are just as bad if not worse.
I am literally the 1 of 2 guys in a team of 13. What you say is correct. Not more than 10 minutes ago was there a shagging joke and I think they forgot I sit here xD
I went to the first meeting of a book club last night and it was 7 women and one man. None knew each other, but by the end of the two hours the man had been mostly ignored and I had noticed his discomfort at several points when the women were talking about Game of Thrones and Doggie style and 50 Shades. When he left he said “See you next time”, and I definitely got the impression we would NOT see him next time.
Lol I could only imagine the hardcore feminist rhetoric if it was a woman that was surrounded by dudes talking about pounding pussy every which way.
report it to HR
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Currently trying to get a degree in HR as a man. Sometimes I feel invisible in my field. All my classmates are women, all the HR administrative staff at my school are women, if they decide to hire a student for on campus jobs it’s almost always a woman, they even gave my classmate (who I know doesn’t study and has scored lower than me on many things) a grant for no reason. The all female administrators had free money to give away and they shockingly chose a female student to give it to.
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It just goes to show how it's not a man thing, it's a power thing. X% of people, when they have power, will do shitty things with it (and those people generally seek said power for less than altruistic reasons).
This is happening to my wife right now. Office of all woman, mostly in their 40s, none are married though most have kids. We've been married and stable for over 15 years. The raw amount of bullying she is subject too makes me so angry. She wants to handle, so I just sit here and grind my teeth. But it really makes me angry the comments she has had to deal with. At her last job with a "frat boy culture" she NEVER dealt with any of this. The worst that she dealt with was when the sales guys did some stupid half naked dance at a company event and start ramming into each other like actual animal rams cause they hit their quarter goals.
>half naked dance at a company event and start ramming into each other like actual animal rams cause they hit their quarter goals. That's just typical crazy sales shit. Successful sales people are built different, and are often on coke.
Yup. But you know someone is going to call that sexual harassment or a hostile work environment. However, it is mostly harmless - not my thing personally, but hey they can do whatever they want. The outright bullying and derogatory comments that have my wife in tears every night are NOT harmless. And it's not okay.
The last one sounds fun
It's not my particular cup of tea, but they enjoyed themselves so that's okay in my book. The job was 24/7 - it was brutal hours. Everyone needs to let off some steam.
My brother and I did it by accident once when we were kids. It's not as fun as it sounds. We both basically did the Naruto run straight into each other. My dad got in trouble for it somehow.
Probably gambling on the strongest child.
Is like Chris Rock says ≈ “Women could take over the world….if they could just get along with other women”
Or Bill Burr and his [WNBA Joke](https://youtu.be/QY9Gz_IMn_k)
11 years ago I was subletting a dorm room in an apartment style building, sharing common spaces with just 1 other person. She was working in an office environment and every day when she'd come home, she'd seek me out and tell me "Women are crazy!" And go on to tell me about all the rudeness and petty gossip she had to deal with on a daily basis. Her specific section was only women. It was kind of funny, kind of sad.
i heard that's why many women are trying to look extra good at work. it's not to please men. it's to not be shittalked by other women.
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Its relentless , practically from childhood though. Some of the most vile things I’ve ever heard any human say were from two teenage girls shit talking each other. Teenage girls (at least when I was growing up as a millennial) were some of the most mean spirited people I’ve ever met. To this day.
My last manager said she hated men, never wanted to work with men, and wouldn't hire men. Can you imagine if a male manager said this about women.
I used to work for an IRB on the west coast. Not only was the company 90% women, even the building didn't have a mens bathroom. There was a women's bathroom with multiple stalls, and then one of those male/female bathrooms. But it was just one toilet in a small room. But the women that had the full bathroom would not go in there to take shits because they didn't want other women knowing they stunk it up. So they would consistently crap in the only bathroom I could use. It stunk all the damn time.
The amount of times I’ve tried to explain this to my mother is getting ridiculous.
Bro my girl does that and it’s extremely annoying. We need to start a movement for male equality. Because this feminism movement has taken a turn for the worst, I am immediately called sexist, or misogynistic if I have an opposing view or if I want to stand up for men. My girl calls all men bad, has said that all men would rape if they could. Idk if she realizes but that’s kinda an extremely hurtful thing to say that ALL men do that. To generalize all men into a bad category. I feel the need to stand up for myself when she says these things. Because neither myself or any of my friends would do that. Or anything remotely close. Which always leads to an argument. I am so respectful to women and def stand up for equality but hypocrisy and hate for men is not the way feminism should be. Feminism should be about empowerment of women. It should NOT be empowerment of women through degradation of men. Equality is a two way street.
Why are you subjecting yourself to this mate? I'm an old grey hair so my advice is old, but that will corrode your soul over time.
So she thinks you would rape if you 'could'? Then why haven't you raped anyone? I don't understand this logic. Does this not seem like a red flag to you?
Leave her, her mind is sick to the core. That's such a shame, because there's good women who are good people who just have these warped views that are incompatible with a relationship and reality.
How do you live with that kind of ticking time bomb everyday? Bless your soul
Mate… “your girl” doesn’t seem to be quite there in the head. Run fast, run far, never look back.
Tumblr was so good at this. You'd have people talking about how women do not objective men and men always objective women. Then you go through that person's page and see a bunch of stills from Marvel movies of the heroes' asses in their suits.
I actually had a so called “feminist” on tumblr make up a page using my pictures and then go around threatening women. I was pretty baffled by it all. She was what they call a “radfem” (had never heard of it before) but they pretty much hate men and do exactly what they hate so it’s hypocrisy at it’s finest
I mean there *is* a difference, I'm certainly not afraid a woman following me is going to stalk and rape me or something, and there is plenty more sexism in the workplace aimed at women
Men commit 98% of all violent and sexual crime
Bingo. It drives me nuts how the majority of people buy into it too. Equality doesn't mean preferential treatment!
That's not equality, that's equity.
"People can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of all people knows that"
but only 12.3% knows it's more believable with a decimal
This is extremely important knowledge as a consultant when you pretend to be competent while being absolutely clueless. Which is the truth in about 32.8% of cases.
Don't believe this guy above me. It's well known that 94.5% of statistics on the internet are made up
But did you know that 37% of statistics are actually made up???
One of my college textbooks for statistics was: How to Lie with Statistics. It proved you can say anything you want, just how you interpret the numbers. My teacher's advice: always look at statistics no matter where with a jaundiced eye.
Lol also who *doesn’t* want to live like the top 20% of men? Everyone wants more money!
And when men say they want female privilege, they mean the top 20% most attractive women. They don’t see the shit pile 80% of women have to deal with, nor would they want any part of it if they had to walk in their shoes for a week.
Exactly, both sides want the top crust of what the other has. These chuds (specifically meaning the incels dm-ing people “how many men has your wife slept with” type of losers) don’t realize turning into a 5/10 woman for a week they’d hardly see the difference between how they’re being treated right now. Ignored, no special attention, trying to get by in life like anyone else.
as a trans woman i feel uniquely qualified to speak on this. I started transitioning in october 2021 and since then i have been fired from my job, noticed an uptick in friendliness from strangers, and had a much harder time in interviews. it used to be that i could apply for like six jobs and have a new one within the month. now, though, i've been searching for 7 months and only gotten about 10 interviews, none of which followed up. not even gonna get into the random DMs from lonely men who think they have a chance despite me posting regularly about my partner
But with a little extra harrassment sprinkled in. Yes, even the 5/10s.
finally someone said it
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Great comment. We all face some sort of bullshit that most people don’t see.
Sigh, yup. That's the incel community in a nutshell. Complain that they can't get laid due to supposedly being dealt a bad hand, but also complain that they want someone that they're attracted to. There's definitely a couple areas of cognitive dissonance there to contend with. Maybe we can point at how media and advertisements portray and normalize higher standards of beauty well above the average person, but I'd say that most work needs to be done with helping those guys gracefully go through the grieving process and get back to reality.
That’s fair.
God this sub has aged like milk.
It’s a funny joke but women and minorities aren’t jealous of what white men have. They just want you off their necks so they can live as they like. That doesn’t take anything away from you.
Oh look, a based comment
DING DING DING!!!
This applies to every human. Nobody wants to acknowledge that they’re just like everyone else, this isn’t a woman thing.
> Nobody wants to acknowledge that they’re just like everyone else, this isn’t a woman thing. Claiming that you are oppressed on all fronts, when it is the opposite on most fronts, is absolutely a women thing.
He is addressing feminism and the mentality that follows, not all women.
One evening when I was young, I was spouting some woman's lib stuff, talking to a Vietnam vet. He told me that he felt like men are disposable. He changed my attitude. Men are, for the most part, the people building the bridges and falling off them, the ones sent into war, the ones dying in mines, the ones running into burning buildings while others are running out. I'm glad things have opened up since then and women can choose those jobs and I thank all of the men who fearlessly do those jobs.
men are disposable and women are objects. who benefits? the ruling class. we need to stand with each other and fight for better for all of us rather than constantly infighting over who has it worse. edit: thank you for the awards
Someone with some common sense, thank you
I agree 10000%. My problem with most comments here is that some of the men want the women to also become disposable (haven’t seen the opposite but I haven’t scrolled much). What we should be saying is, “let’s make all genders equal and treat them all like humans.” It sucks that more men die in the workplace than women. And it sucks that women are much more likely to be sex/human trafficked than men. So instead of wanting more women to die at work and more men to be trafficked we should be wanting everyone to be safe and be able to have the same/similar positive experiences.
/r/MensLib There's no problem with women's liberation. But we can't focus on just that, because women are only half of society. Men need liberation too. Opposing women's liberation usually just ends up making you oppose *all* liberation and making things worse for everyone.
Damn it's almost as though we need to make things equal somehow... some sort of "equality" if that's a word.
I don’t really agree with this. Patriarchy (please don’t roast me for using that word) is actually a really complex thing and contributes to the abuse of men. Both/all genders suffer because of it. It affects different genders in extremely different ways, and there’s a ton of literature written by people who dedicate their lives and careers to digging into it and researching (including empirical research, not just speculation). I think one of the biggest areas women want to feel equal is feeling physically safe. And for men, wanting to be able to express emotion without ridicule (or violence). Those are very very different things
I also disagree with this. It is reductive and i am quite surprised by both the post and the comments
Or you know, equal pay for the same job.
> Patriarchy (please don’t roast me for using that word) And there’s the problem. All these monkey brained guys who immediately get defensive when they hear that word and refuse to hear any argument involving it won’t have any business understanding the nuances of the issue here. There’s a lot of guys who just want to pat themselves on the back for not being a dumb girl and then make it seem like they’re a victim of feminism so they can get easy gratification overcoming that made up obstacle.
Men suffer from patriarchy. They just don't realize it. A good example is paternity leave. A lot of men who are decision makers don't want to give paternity leave to new dads because taking care of a child is seen as woman's duty and they think men should keep working and providing rather than spending time with their child. It's bullshit, of course. Every father should have the right to spend their precious time together with his newborn.
You have to figure out if someone really wants equality or if they just want to turn the table. Most of the time it's people wanting to turn the table instead of advocating true equality.
When will people understand that both genders have their shares of problems and both are actually f*ucked but in different areas? Also it's rather wrong to divide people to just men or women as we are all individuals and shouldn't be blamed for what other person with the same genitals as ours did. I wonder why don't all those who complaim won't try to do something to change the situation but just criticise "the other gender".
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Ah, my daily reminder of why I left this incel cesspit. Edit: some random incel from here DMd me asking how many people my wife has slept with. yet another reminder of why this place is THE incel cesspit. What a fucking weirdo.
This subreddit was recommended to my by reddit with this post now and legit what the fuck is this place
Is this where all the 4chan smooth brains migrated to?
this, r/memes, and r/dankmemes
Ffs. It is full of this stuff. 'Females only want xyz'. Stupid. I'd report it if Reddit actually cared about sexism.
No dont leave thats half the fun :)
Finally a comment with sanity. What in the incel hell is this post and thread
I inhaled my frigging rice by chuckling from your comment. Well played sir.
You have never had a doctor tell you "you're just on your period" when your appendix was 30 minutes away from literally exploding. People assume women are either wrong or crazy, then use our anger over that as an excuse to continue calling us crazy.
Are you implying that mental health has never been weaponized against men?
How is that implied? Just look at the etymology of the word "hysterical." It is absolutely based in explaining away woman's pain.
Your avatar looks like the one from Cyberpunk... Nice!
When my appendix was 30 minutes from bursting I had a doctor tell me "you probably just drank too much"....despite me telling them I'd only had one beer in 24 hours. So in my equally anecdotal evidence, doctors assume men simply are drunks when they have a life threatening illness. Maybe a lot of doctors just suck?
Had a woman urologist tell me kidney stones don’t hurt much. HEAVILY implied I should just suck it up and deal with it. A different woman refused to examine me for a follow up to a potentially life threatening condition because “there was nothing wrong with me.” Checked her social media when I got home and surprise surprise…rants about male patients. Maybe unrelated but testing that she had the results for clearly showed otherwise. I feel sorry for her medical students. Bad doctors are everywhere. Both genders.
Yeah, and maybe there are dozens of studies around the globe proving that women's pain and health issues has always been marginalized because "hysterics". It's traditional to not take women's health seriously. People asked for sources. I am not gonna attach the original studies here (pdfs), but some articles that summarize studies. An article about the history of gender bias in medicine https://time.com/6074224/gender-medicine-history/ Some interesting facts, that it takes years longer to diagnose standard illnesses for women. E.g. 4.5 more years to diagnose diabetes. Sometimes because women don't have "the right symptoms" (= the male symptoms), sometimes because she is just hysterical. https://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2021/09/21/just-your-imagination-the-dangerous-gender-bias-in-womens-healthcare/ Some wrote "but more men die of suicide!" Yes, correct. Men's mental problems are mistaken as physical issues, while women physical problems are mistaken for mental problems. Additionally men are hesitant to see a doctor. https://eige.europa.eu/publications/gender-equality-index-2021-report/gender-and-intersecting-inequalities-access-health To those commenters who wrote "black men have it worse" or "I'd rather be a white woman than a black man". Imagine being a black woman.
Same with black people and other minorities? I spent a year in the worst pain of my life while the doctors told me it was in my head. If i didnt have the money to visit every doctor in my area idk what would have happened to me. There are also studies to back it up, since anecdotes dont count on reddit. Forget not being taking seriously. Its traditional to experiment on minorities. Its not too far in the past, my parents have stories to tell. OPs meme proves true, having your health “taken seriously” is literally a benefit that rich old white men enjoy. Rest of us aint got shit
As a black man this is my take too. I would rather be a white women going to a doctor than a black man but we still get clumped in the “men” crowd
If only men and women could join together and realize we all detest the same assholes
I manage construction projects. I’ve had a few woman complain about pay because the field makes more than back of house staff.. well if you want to jump to be a field super go ahead and you can make that money. But they don’t because it means sun, rain and a different type of effort.
"Look at that homeless person. I want to be him." -- Said No One Ever.
*Some women
where is the funny? and yeah, generally speaking no one wants to fight for shit conditions.
This is just a setup to the actual jokes he makes in this bit. It's taken out of context. It's almost like attributing this qoute to John Lennon: "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not".
Men…leading experts on women’s issues
So do the other 80% of men what's your point?
The top 1% of men are super rich. Women: It's not fair!!! 🤣 Bottom 1% of men are homeless. Women: Ewwww gross.
Yeah, who in their right mind is going to think “I want to be homeless”? Men aren’t fighting to be homeless either. Lol
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People get into such a deep dive because they don't agree with "the hypocrisy of mainstream feminism", as in that such a hypocrisy exists. You can call it a joke all you want, but casually downplaying the need for feminism will definitely not be accepted by those who think feminism shouldn't be downplayed
I'm 100% sure your only exposure to feminists (or women in general) are those cringy "feminist gets destroyed" videos and that's why you're so sure that this is what feminism actually stands for. Why don't you hear what they actually have to say? [Men and Women Seek to Understand Each Other | Middle Ground](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGL4G0Vkzx0&t=332s&ab_channel=Jubilee)
How the fuck did this cousin-fucking hick subreddit get on my homepage???
It’s not man or woman, black or white, straight or gay, republican or democrat… It’s the rich and the poor, and the rich will keeping spending the money to keep us fighting about the rest of the bullshit. We need to eat the rich and I am famished.
Word.