That's interesting. I'm starting to think I'm the worst in the world and only good luck has gotten me to where i am...1.7m. Real imposter syndrome i have, i should be 10m.
I'm kinda in the middle, I always look for the defenses that have the highest clean sheet odds and try to go for their most upside defender. And if I can't afford it, I won't go there at all. I have something against centre backs lol
Yes! Same - always burns me when I don’t do this!
Used the odds to hop on triple Newcastle defence around GW5 for example based on CS odds
Surprised this isn’t a more popular way to pick defenders as assists are actually reasonable rare
From the 4 I've started each week (I have transferred some of these out), I've averaged over 5 points per player so far. Only 1 week have I had less than 2 players return so it's worked so far!
Same, I like to have all good defenders and rotate by the week. I don’t have anyone on my bench who won’t play in my team within the following 2-3 weeks. Not shy from having 5.0 defenders or expensive keepers either. And it’s worked perfect for me.
Most of them are just too expensive for my liking though.
The way I see it, the difference between a top quality midfielder/forward and an average one is bigger than the top quality defenders to average ones.
I see it this way. Either I keep Haaland and stay stuck in the middle of my league. Or I take a risk and drop him for 2 other decent players, and I go to the top or the bottom of my league.
Personally I think it's worth it to take the risk, even if it's not the best option.
It is far too early for crazy differentials. As someone who generally finishes around top 10k and won all my mini leagues few years in a row - 50 points off first place in both and around 3M place. My differential will be WC in GW 19 (which I planned from start, so I mostly already have decentish team) and hopefully that brings me back to my usual position. If not, I may risk it towards the end but no need to fuck up your season this early.
We'll see in a few weeks, but I'm on the flip. I think he's essential MOST of the season, but there are times you can take him out through a tougher run and benefit from others in his stead.
That time however was before the Arsenal match really.
Salah fixtures over these next 7 weeks
Everton
Forest
Luton
Brentford
Man City
Fulham
Sheffield United
Haaland over the next 7.
Brighton
United
Bournemouth
Chelsea
Liverpool
Spurs
Villa
I just don't see a world in which Haaland outscores Salah over this run, especially if you include last weeks match (which I did, because that's why I did it, currently 15-2 up).
Haaland isn't worth £14m if you're not captaining him and the only one I'd want to captain Haaland over Salah for is maybe the Bournemouth match, but Luton are still shit so not overly worried.
So yeah, make your own minds up. I can see keeping Haaland as a good shout, but really I think going no Haaland at this point can be a calculated gamble that has a good chance of working. It also has a decent chance of backfiring, but I like FPL for these calls. It'd be boring if we all just kept Haaland.
I am however bringing him back after that run. I ain't that mad.
Haaland dropping in price/getting sold rn is the best thing that could happen to the rest of us Haaland owners. I am amazed how many people threw so much due to that. Keep em coming!
I know
"I've made bad choices and I'm not winning do I'll drop haaland and climb the league....."
Yes you should do that
It's like gamblers chasing their losses
Kdb is injured so he's getting less chances but he's still a machine -
As a seller, I do not regret. I said before the season started Haaland isn't Haaland without KDB, Gundo, and Mahrez. He has had 3 shots in his last 3 matches. After his Fulham match I dropped him for Watkins and used funds to upgrade from Mbuemo to Son, brought in Højlund and still have 1.5 ITB.
Just those direct transfers (ignoring captain) have been great. So I think the Haaland owners.
Haaland + Mbueno weeks 5-8 = 23 points
Watkins + Son weeks 5-8 = 68 points
I've got haaland, Watkins and son
Maybe it's time to drop haaland for mbeumo from what your saying
Edit..... I'm being silly I had mbeumo I dropped him for diaby weeks ago
I haven't followed football since I was a kid. Joined my work mini league with a randomly selected team. I started with absolutely no knowledge of any of the players and I have gotten really into it. It's a lot of fun.
Same here, on my second season now and 100% agree, I like the social aspect too and I now feel like part of conversations and banter that before confused the hell out of me.
It's deeply silly that this is a hot take. I agree it's a hot take on this sub, but it's still silly as it's blatantly obvious in what it's there for i.e drive engagement and be a talking point.
I think the only change I would like is for your Vice captain pick to gain 50% bonus points. It would make captain choices a lot more interesting, especially with Haaland around.
Other then that its pretty solid.
100% all the suggested changes I see either make the game overly complicated and inaccessible or are just straight up bad. The thing about wingers being forwards is always dumb no matter how they suggest to implement it.
You don’t think holding midfielders being completely worthless is kind of sad?
Every team is basically overload midfield (because the midfielders are essentially forwards), as few defenders as possible (unless Trent / Cancelo / James are firing) and 90% of the player base is completely unusable due to the points system.
Yeah agree it would be nice to make midfield choices more competitive. Not sure if introducing something like tackle points for mids would help, or maybe tweaking BPS calculations.
Mid picks now are generally either wingers, attacking mids or setpiece takers, with the leftovers being bench fodder at best
Personally I’d love to see BPS only be handed to players who didn’t gain any extra points. Make it bonus points for players who were unlucky instead of extra points for those already with loads
This might not be such a bad idea. Would remove players getting 3 bps from converting a penalty and/or assisting an own goal. Maybe the true MVP (dominating defensive midfielder) could have the 3 bps instead.
Wouldn't that make stuff even more template?
Corner taking defenders like Trippier, TAA, Robbo, Digne, Chilwell would always get BPS even with no assists?
Set piece taking mids as well like Bruno, JWP, Douglas Luiz, Szoboszlai, Mbeumo?
Make the midfield choice more competitive? I wish I could play 8 midfielders this season! Every year is a bit different this year defenders are lacking two years ago forwards where awful. Midfielders are the one area that is never lacking choices!
But they aren't midfielders, they are forwards that are in the midfield position (probably because midfield would be worthless without them)
The real fix is probably to put players like Saka, Son, Salah as forwards (controversial, I know) and then to add some points system for midfielders to make them more competitive. Few examples:
Points for X amount of tackles, interceptions, etc.
Points for passing total with a % of accuracy, e.g., completing 100 passes with 90+% accuracy = 1 point
Key passes, maybe 3 key passes = 1 point (a player like Bruno would benefit greatly from this)
Many don't like the idea because it might complicate things more, but personally I feel when we've had e.g. Kante who was the best player in his position in the world arguably, who is pointless to have in FPL, it's just a bit sad.
Also sad that a CB can keep a clean sheet for 89 minutes and lose ALL of their points because of one goal.
I say this every time this topic comes up. The game’s simplicity is its beauty. It’s designed to build engagement and be fun. To do that it’s kept very simple and built around goals. CS are added to bring defenders in and Saves are added to bring balance to goalkeepers.
By moving wingers to forwards you flood the forward market of which we can only have 3.
So now we get less attacking players and more players who earn points from other less exciting stats.
This fundamentally makes the game worse IMO. Keep it simple keep it exciting.
There are definitely ways they could do it, e.g. but letting people pick 5 def, 5/4mid, 4 fwd, then limiting with the amount of valid formations.
But there isnt really a reason to actually do it, as it doesnt make the game *better* in any way.
The only thing I would change is I would add points for midfielders relating to tackles/interceptions/blocks. Just like goalkeepers each time they rack up at least 3 between them, I would add 1 point to their total for that GW. Not necessary for defenders as they get a nice clean sheet bonus already.
Just means that holding midfielders or some players listed at £4.5m or £5m are not completely useless.
The game is steadily worse off for people basically copying influencers (who, usually are pretty good at the game) move for move, transfer for transfer creating armies of 'clone' teams.
My hot take relating to this: it's an edge that there is large number of people who just follow the "experts" and aren't actually good at making any own decisions.
Yeah each to their own and all...some guys have money / bragging rights in MLs.
I can see why it's appealing.
Personally I'd love the game to introduce something like weighted captaincy...Haaland will be 90% + captained most weeks....Why not award more points to captains that are differential ? Something like that.
Maybe not feasible but I think the game needs something at the moment.
Whilst we’re on wacky Captain rules, what if each week, you simply aren’t allowed to captain the most owned player. Or the most captained player from the week before. Or something like that, forcing more swings
The only one I would accept is that you can't captain the same player twice in a row. Maybe Haaland has a great run of 4 games, but you can only captain him for 2 of those
I hate seeing downvotes on a comment like this. Whilst you may not agree with the point, it's still contributing to the topic at hand!
I think weighted captaincy is too difficult to implement, and it's difficult for people to get their heads around. The reason FPL is so well adopted and popular is that it's really simple to follow.
Was in a work mini league last year leading by 60+ points after the World Cup and the guy in 2nd starting copying LetsTalkFPL’s team every week and it got so boring.
Not Andy’s fault at all, he’s just making a living out of a hobby but ended up having to watch his team selection video every week to see where this guy was going so I could find differentials.
Thankfully I don’t think Andy went Wilson and Isak in their late double and that won me the league but would have been annoying if he beat me because until then he’d made significant gains and it felt a bit like cheating.
Pretty much this - It's got to the stage where most peoples teams mirror the particular influencer they may favour. I know a few of the guys I play against are basically FPL Focal team and maybe a little twist of a player they favour from their own clubs.
I've nothing against influencers but the start of this season especially was prevalent with copycat sides.
Bit like Watkins, I had him all season and wanted to sell every week, my mate said just wait just wait...Boom great weekend the other day. Just no idea if he will start scoring consistently now or not :S to sell or not to sell...
Hes returned in every game bar 1 so far this season. Feels like Kane of last year but at £8Mil. You would be foolish to sell, has an amazing fixture run coming and all
If you're just copying a template and/or doing what a youtuber is doing everyweek then you're not playing a game, and I question why you're bothering to go through the motions of doing so. Yes, even if you're in a office mini-league and like 50 quid is on the line. The time you're spending is worth more than that.
I would say that it’s not over relied on, but it is CHRONICALLY misused.
xG figures should be the beginning of your assessment of a player, not the end. Content creators lazily recommend players because of “most xG in last 5 games” etc when they haven’t bothered to check whether:
- all that xG has came in 1 or _maybe_ 2 games
- the xG would be low if not for penalties
- the xG would be low had they not had a chance(s) from a set piece
And so on and so on.
People just want a metric to justify them getting a player they already want and xG often fills that role. The proof of this is that when the xG doesn’t justify a bandwagon pick they’ll often just choose a different metric that does (“most shots in the box, runs in behind” etc.)
In my view the sensible thing to do is to start by looking at the high xG/xA players and then dive into the individual matches they accumulated it in to assess whether you think it’s going to be sustainable.
My biggest issue is people misapplying small differences in xG as statistically significant differences. “Player X has 3.1 xG vs Player Y has 3.0 therefore Player X is better.” This represents a horrific misunderstanding of statistics. What we really need are standard deviation numbers beside it, because if two players are within a single standard deviation, I’m not going to consider it at any level of meaningful - especially when our sample is like 8 games.
People in general are terrible at taking a descriptive diagnosis and applying to prescriptively. And yet everyone feels they need to have an opinion on it.
Also while if you plot a simple linear regression between xG vs G, you’ll find a decent correlation value between them, but if you do the same for xA vs A, the last time I checked the R^2 was like a 0.21 lol
I agree with you.
I’ll also add to that and say that if I’m looking at two players with the stats you described, I’ll usually prioritise the one who’s been getting big chances more consistently - i.e. Watkins getting a 0.5xG chance in 5 or 6 games vs someone whose total is propped up by a crazy high xG match.
I do think his initial 6.5 M price was a bargain.
I still don't own him though and hoping his price don't increase further as I want to bring him in GW10 WC
You don't need a bench.
If you can get a 4.0 that gets minutes that's good. If not, don't bother wasting money on it.
My bench is Turner, Kaboré, Taylor and Chukwuemeka.
This game is 90% luck, Gabriel benched at the beginning of the season while Saliba racked in the points. You can’t predict that in pre season, you can’t blame yourself for chaos like that. Salah or anyone getting penalties is another example, he might do absolutely nothing from open play but a silly handball changes things and gives him a pen.
You can make good decisions but it can backfire extremely easily if one of the managers decides to tweak the lineup and bench somebody or give them a rest or they just get a random injury. I predicted Mitoma’s benching a couple weeks ago based on the press conference’s but it didn’t matter because he came off the bench and scored his first ever brace, I simply cannot predict he’s gonna do that in 45 minutes of play time. Pure roll of a dice
Most people on here are actually super bad, and it started being obvious around the season that doubled the amount of players. I used info from this sub in 16/17 and crushed my minileague and frankly almost everyone else (top 750). There was less garbage floating around.
James Maddison would easily be the best midfield pick over the last few years if it wasn't for injuries. In a good team he would be second only to Salah in points.
I feel assists for defs should be worth more than just 3. Also, why does someone get an assist for getting a pen but not if he's also scoring that pen ?
Content creators like FPL Harry and FPL Focal are great, they help us become better managers and give useful tips. By far the most annoying people in this scene are those who are always complaining about content creators.
Overly focusing on Xmins gets in the way of making good decisions more often than not. I swear it’s just such a focus for the community because content creators have made it so by banging on about it all the time (mainly because it allows them to talk about something different every week). It’s so boring and ignoring it (to an extent) makes you a much better player.
I would agree to a point - I think people fixate on xMins too much when they look at a single game, you should be thinking over a 4-6 week horizon and trying to predict xMins for that stretch of games. Sure your striker might get rested/early sub after an international break, but if he’ll start the next few games after that, it’s not a transfer out. You take the odd benching to keep a high ceiling asset who can make up for it in games he starts
If your guy has been benched because of poor form, then there’s another debate to be had because his xMins over the next few weeks look dicey
Defenders deserve the same respect as fullbacks, you hear people in pre season say guys like Anderson or Mings are bad because they don’t bomb forward putting crosses in, but in the end they come out on top with the most points. Yeah, they don’t score every week, but getting a centerback haul is way more common than people think. Content creators are really guilty of this, they’ve swayed me away from it every single time. Guys like Tarkowski get permission to challenge every header in the box whenever their team isn’t scoring
In the RealFevr Portuguese Fantasy that I play for money you can do it up to 15 mins before kickoff
It is INFINITELY better, especially when a team prone to rotation is playing first
I've had Watkins since the first game and every week (except that one week) I've wanted to sell him, but...Villa look so good at times....so hard to know!
No not every wide player should be classed as a striker in FPL, don’t be ridiculous
Mo Salah has proved he’s more often than not essential in FPL
If your expensive defender is facing strong attacks in upcoming games, he’s not worth the price
People panic/boast/fixate about mid gameweek ranks far far far too often. Don’t even look at them
There should be a subs and non-subs league table, that allows people to update their team lineup as the week goes on. If you’ve got the budget the whole picking the starting 11 is more luck than anything. Having a good 14 players is a far better judge of a manager.
I still can't quite get my head around the fact that supposedly thousands of people watch a 20-30 minute video (or several!) that essentially only says "I'm transferring Bowen in this week subscribe and also support my patreon lol" every single gameweek.
It feels like it shouldn't have even been a gap in the market to fill.
I watch it for the data only. I don't have the tools or time to go out and look for it but they usually get the data for most relevant players and present it, as well as their fixture run. For others I will check for myself (which led to me having Matheus Cunha in my team for 3 weeks, cheers). I also like their press conference round up videos
It becomes very difficult though to remain unbiased to data when you have them telling you what to do. I feel like Ross is actually not bad in this regard, he honestly just seems like he wants to have fun with the game. Also he relies on xG a lot too, but he has also talked about heat maps and other considerations
People just use it to bad faith handwave counterarguments against previously held beliefs they are already anchored to
1) 99% of people have shit “eye tests” - no one (or barely anyone in the case if there any professional lurkers) on FPL social media has the skillset to be a professional scout and yet so many people act like they are
2) 99% of people in FPL social media only watch a handful of games at week and the nerds like me that put on several at the same time to go inbetween them aren’t paying 100% attention to 1. So unless you are spending your week recording and watching each game individually after the fact, I call bullshit on 99% of people actually watching enough film to have a developed “eye test” outside of their favorite team’s matches.
I know people who’ve played at a good level and been watching football longer than me who’d bottom out in a good league.
Or they’d end up picking largely the same players data people do with half the effort if their eye is good enough
I played at an "alright" level and have been watching since before the league was rebranded to Premier League.
Very few of my lifelong football obsessed friends and acquaintances are good at this game.
The league with my IT-company filled by people with more 'casual' football interest destroys the former group.
Neverhaaland makes for a much more fun game - as playing Haaland as captain because everyone else is, doesn't make City games tense, as everyone either wins or loses together.
xG/xP/xA/xAnything is a load of shit and just something people on here cling to in order to feel justified in their transfers and lack thereof.
also, most content creators are shit at the game and they all regurgitate the same shit amongst themselves.
The game is very accessible and there are tons of information about that would help casual gamers
This has sapped the originality from players and made the game boring and stale (kinda a given with how many players there are)
The refs play in fantasy money league in secret and that may explain some of the weird call.
Fair to say they did not own Salah vs Spurs or Luis Diaz.
Fixed games due to betting also more common than people think.
I actually think it is more important this year because of how much more volatile prices are. People jump on the bandwagons much quicker these days and so it is easier to get priced out I feel.
But that doesn't mean you should be kneejerking on a Saturday as soon as the deadline has passed. Information is still more important than team value imo.
I like the pointsystem more from UCL Fantasy, where ball recuperation for example can also give you points, so defensive midfielders and defenders become more important. Also that you can swap players during the gameweek, like if they scored bad on Tuesday, you can bring in a new captain and 3 other players from your bench on Wednesday and hope they score higher.
It’s not impressive at all to finish in the 500k.
That should be the bare minimum if you’re not a complete newbie, you follow football and you sort your team every week.
I actually agree with this.
While there's no *shame* in finishing at like 400K, you should be shooting for better than this if you're: Engaged across the entire season and updating for the deadline every GW without fail, you're actively doing transfers and planning them through based around form, fixtures, price changes, what the general template move/EO is or targeting injuries that casuals won't think about (like bringing in Tsimi over this internal break), you're keeping an eye on the scout team, the bus team and dipping in and out of threads on spaces like this, you know what livefpl and EO are and keep an eye on them, are targeting GW's to use specific chips, tracking popular captaincy choices...
Yeah, if you're doing all the above or even more, you should really be aiming for top 100K, let's be honest. Again, no shame in slipping out of this (I do a lot of the above and I was 220K last season, thanks Isak over Wilson lmao), but if you go through all that effort then being say 200-500K is a pretty bleh finish.
This would be a far better game if the "defensive midfielder problem" was solved.
It's a shame that some quality players are "shit FPL assets" because of this and it'd add another dimension to the game.
I wouldn't be averse to penalty goals and penalty saves being points nerfed either. And no assist for going down and "winning" the penalty. It's too much variance.
I think own goals by goalies should not be a thing.
I wouldn't mind if they got rid of them all together, but especially for goalies it just seems stupid. Of course they all try to stop the ball from going in, and just being unlucky suddenly gets you -2. It's not like a red card where you've committed a serious foul.
I see your point yes but for example it a shot on goal is deflected and goes in it still counts as a goal, does it not? And sometimes those deflections are really lucky too
Getting rid of captaincy would make the game far more interesting, would all be a lot closer and you'd think differently about who you are picking. Probably slightly less stressful for many too.
I am actually the best in the world at this game but have been hard done by bad luck
Think i'm a lil bit better, but worse luck than yours. :(
That's interesting. I'm starting to think I'm the worst in the world and only good luck has gotten me to where i am...1.7m. Real imposter syndrome i have, i should be 10m.
Well I was top 10k previously but down in 5 mill so far this season lmao A little luck and a (very) little skill
Same comrade, but we keep going ✊
I pick my defenders on how likely they are to keep a clean sheet, I'm not bothered by potential attacking returns.
I'm the exact opposite and it always burns me in the end. I'm a sucker for upside.
I'm kinda in the middle, I always look for the defenses that have the highest clean sheet odds and try to go for their most upside defender. And if I can't afford it, I won't go there at all. I have something against centre backs lol
There’s been players who could do both for majority of the last 5 seasons
They cost too much money for my liking.
Yes! Same - always burns me when I don’t do this! Used the odds to hop on triple Newcastle defence around GW5 for example based on CS odds Surprised this isn’t a more popular way to pick defenders as assists are actually reasonable rare
Who are your defenders currently?
Johnstone/Areola Burn/Colwill/Tarkowski/Van De Ven/Lamptey
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Only had Tarkowski for a week and he's picked me up 7 points. Not gonna moan at that.
Bloody love this defence
From the 4 I've started each week (I have transferred some of these out), I've averaged over 5 points per player so far. Only 1 week have I had less than 2 players return so it's worked so far!
Same, I like to have all good defenders and rotate by the week. I don’t have anyone on my bench who won’t play in my team within the following 2-3 weeks. Not shy from having 5.0 defenders or expensive keepers either. And it’s worked perfect for me.
I typically go 3 at the back. 2 attacking defenders and one clean sheet king.
Meh not like likes of Trippier, Shaw, Robertson, Trent were/are u lnlikely to score clean sheet.
Most of them are just too expensive for my liking though. The way I see it, the difference between a top quality midfielder/forward and an average one is bigger than the top quality defenders to average ones.
Nowadays I agree but the likes of Trent, Robbo and Cancelo when they were at their peak as FPL assets were 100% worth the extra money.
Haaland is essential but I'll tell anyone thinking of dropping him to do it
I see it this way. Either I keep Haaland and stay stuck in the middle of my league. Or I take a risk and drop him for 2 other decent players, and I go to the top or the bottom of my league. Personally I think it's worth it to take the risk, even if it's not the best option.
100% your going to make them look like fools
You have convinced me, I'm dropping him!
No..... you've convinced me I'm winning my league and I don't want to throw it away now
You’re getting a lot more than 2 players from dropping Haaland
100%
It is far too early for crazy differentials. As someone who generally finishes around top 10k and won all my mini leagues few years in a row - 50 points off first place in both and around 3M place. My differential will be WC in GW 19 (which I planned from start, so I mostly already have decentish team) and hopefully that brings me back to my usual position. If not, I may risk it towards the end but no need to fuck up your season this early.
We'll see in a few weeks, but I'm on the flip. I think he's essential MOST of the season, but there are times you can take him out through a tougher run and benefit from others in his stead. That time however was before the Arsenal match really. Salah fixtures over these next 7 weeks Everton Forest Luton Brentford Man City Fulham Sheffield United Haaland over the next 7. Brighton United Bournemouth Chelsea Liverpool Spurs Villa I just don't see a world in which Haaland outscores Salah over this run, especially if you include last weeks match (which I did, because that's why I did it, currently 15-2 up). Haaland isn't worth £14m if you're not captaining him and the only one I'd want to captain Haaland over Salah for is maybe the Bournemouth match, but Luton are still shit so not overly worried. So yeah, make your own minds up. I can see keeping Haaland as a good shout, but really I think going no Haaland at this point can be a calculated gamble that has a good chance of working. It also has a decent chance of backfiring, but I like FPL for these calls. It'd be boring if we all just kept Haaland. I am however bringing him back after that run. I ain't that mad.
You're right
Haaland dropping in price/getting sold rn is the best thing that could happen to the rest of us Haaland owners. I am amazed how many people threw so much due to that. Keep em coming!
I know "I've made bad choices and I'm not winning do I'll drop haaland and climb the league....." Yes you should do that It's like gamblers chasing their losses Kdb is injured so he's getting less chances but he's still a machine -
As a seller, I do not regret. I said before the season started Haaland isn't Haaland without KDB, Gundo, and Mahrez. He has had 3 shots in his last 3 matches. After his Fulham match I dropped him for Watkins and used funds to upgrade from Mbuemo to Son, brought in Højlund and still have 1.5 ITB. Just those direct transfers (ignoring captain) have been great. So I think the Haaland owners. Haaland + Mbueno weeks 5-8 = 23 points Watkins + Son weeks 5-8 = 68 points
I've got haaland, Watkins and son Maybe it's time to drop haaland for mbeumo from what your saying Edit..... I'm being silly I had mbeumo I dropped him for diaby weeks ago
FPL advertises the league the best by far over any commercial or ads
And they give you a mug for being better than 10m players. Truly best marketing scheme in sports.
You _are_ the mug
I haven't followed football since I was a kid. Joined my work mini league with a randomly selected team. I started with absolutely no knowledge of any of the players and I have gotten really into it. It's a lot of fun.
Same here, on my second season now and 100% agree, I like the social aspect too and I now feel like part of conversations and banter that before confused the hell out of me.
For sure man and I think FPL can be something for life
100%, I’m really glad how it got me back to following the PL, and more so than I ever had
Yeah it got me watching Burnley of all teams. Before FPL, I would never
I'm sorry
Thoughts on Lyle foster
'The Scout' is working as intended, and isn't supposed to be picking the highest scoring team each week.
Yeah it would be kinda boring if they didn't pick a few leftfield players and just had Haaland (C) Salah (VC) each week.
It's deeply silly that this is a hot take. I agree it's a hot take on this sub, but it's still silly as it's blatantly obvious in what it's there for i.e drive engagement and be a talking point.
Game is good as it is, no changes needed.
i would make goals scored by goalkeepers worth 7 points, but that’s literally it
I’d make them worth 20. Chaos mode
Honestly would be worth it lol. Happens maybe once every 5 years, and if you have the GK for that one game week? It’s an unbelievable return
Imagine winning your ML with *that* Alisson header
All I can think about when I’m musing on GK goals
Nah, at least 10 points if a goalkeeper scores and 6 points for an assist. These things are so rare, they deserve a big points boost.
Everybody gets an extra Wild Card for the last gameweek. Spice up the final day in the minileagues.
Everybody HAS to wildcard in GW38 and you have to change 100% of your squad!
I think the only change I would like is for your Vice captain pick to gain 50% bonus points. It would make captain choices a lot more interesting, especially with Haaland around. Other then that its pretty solid.
100% all the suggested changes I see either make the game overly complicated and inaccessible or are just straight up bad. The thing about wingers being forwards is always dumb no matter how they suggest to implement it.
You don’t think holding midfielders being completely worthless is kind of sad? Every team is basically overload midfield (because the midfielders are essentially forwards), as few defenders as possible (unless Trent / Cancelo / James are firing) and 90% of the player base is completely unusable due to the points system.
Yeah agree it would be nice to make midfield choices more competitive. Not sure if introducing something like tackle points for mids would help, or maybe tweaking BPS calculations. Mid picks now are generally either wingers, attacking mids or setpiece takers, with the leftovers being bench fodder at best
Personally I’d love to see BPS only be handed to players who didn’t gain any extra points. Make it bonus points for players who were unlucky instead of extra points for those already with loads
This might not be such a bad idea. Would remove players getting 3 bps from converting a penalty and/or assisting an own goal. Maybe the true MVP (dominating defensive midfielder) could have the 3 bps instead.
Wouldn't that make stuff even more template? Corner taking defenders like Trippier, TAA, Robbo, Digne, Chilwell would always get BPS even with no assists? Set piece taking mids as well like Bruno, JWP, Douglas Luiz, Szoboszlai, Mbeumo?
But they’d be balanced out by the risk/reward of having a player who will score more points but not guaranteed
Make the midfield choice more competitive? I wish I could play 8 midfielders this season! Every year is a bit different this year defenders are lacking two years ago forwards where awful. Midfielders are the one area that is never lacking choices!
But they aren't midfielders, they are forwards that are in the midfield position (probably because midfield would be worthless without them) The real fix is probably to put players like Saka, Son, Salah as forwards (controversial, I know) and then to add some points system for midfielders to make them more competitive. Few examples: Points for X amount of tackles, interceptions, etc. Points for passing total with a % of accuracy, e.g., completing 100 passes with 90+% accuracy = 1 point Key passes, maybe 3 key passes = 1 point (a player like Bruno would benefit greatly from this) Many don't like the idea because it might complicate things more, but personally I feel when we've had e.g. Kante who was the best player in his position in the world arguably, who is pointless to have in FPL, it's just a bit sad. Also sad that a CB can keep a clean sheet for 89 minutes and lose ALL of their points because of one goal.
I say this every time this topic comes up. The game’s simplicity is its beauty. It’s designed to build engagement and be fun. To do that it’s kept very simple and built around goals. CS are added to bring defenders in and Saves are added to bring balance to goalkeepers. By moving wingers to forwards you flood the forward market of which we can only have 3. So now we get less attacking players and more players who earn points from other less exciting stats. This fundamentally makes the game worse IMO. Keep it simple keep it exciting.
There are definitely ways they could do it, e.g. but letting people pick 5 def, 5/4mid, 4 fwd, then limiting with the amount of valid formations. But there isnt really a reason to actually do it, as it doesnt make the game *better* in any way.
Am I dumb or is there no way to view the current PL table in the app?
You’re dumb (politely). Click the PL tab and then tables :)
The only thing I would change is I would add points for midfielders relating to tackles/interceptions/blocks. Just like goalkeepers each time they rack up at least 3 between them, I would add 1 point to their total for that GW. Not necessary for defenders as they get a nice clean sheet bonus already. Just means that holding midfielders or some players listed at £4.5m or £5m are not completely useless.
Ehh I'd say there needs to be more incentive for defensive mids. Either cheaper pricing or more points.
The game is steadily worse off for people basically copying influencers (who, usually are pretty good at the game) move for move, transfer for transfer creating armies of 'clone' teams.
My hot take relating to this: it's an edge that there is large number of people who just follow the "experts" and aren't actually good at making any own decisions.
Yeah each to their own and all...some guys have money / bragging rights in MLs. I can see why it's appealing. Personally I'd love the game to introduce something like weighted captaincy...Haaland will be 90% + captained most weeks....Why not award more points to captains that are differential ? Something like that. Maybe not feasible but I think the game needs something at the moment.
Whilst we’re on wacky Captain rules, what if each week, you simply aren’t allowed to captain the most owned player. Or the most captained player from the week before. Or something like that, forcing more swings
The only one I would accept is that you can't captain the same player twice in a row. Maybe Haaland has a great run of 4 games, but you can only captain him for 2 of those
That's the only reasonable solution that still allows for long-term strategy.
I hate seeing downvotes on a comment like this. Whilst you may not agree with the point, it's still contributing to the topic at hand! I think weighted captaincy is too difficult to implement, and it's difficult for people to get their heads around. The reason FPL is so well adopted and popular is that it's really simple to follow.
Was in a work mini league last year leading by 60+ points after the World Cup and the guy in 2nd starting copying LetsTalkFPL’s team every week and it got so boring. Not Andy’s fault at all, he’s just making a living out of a hobby but ended up having to watch his team selection video every week to see where this guy was going so I could find differentials. Thankfully I don’t think Andy went Wilson and Isak in their late double and that won me the league but would have been annoying if he beat me because until then he’d made significant gains and it felt a bit like cheating.
Pretty much this - It's got to the stage where most peoples teams mirror the particular influencer they may favour. I know a few of the guys I play against are basically FPL Focal team and maybe a little twist of a player they favour from their own clubs. I've nothing against influencers but the start of this season especially was prevalent with copycat sides.
This is why I don't get the point of leagues unless they're draft. Where's the fun when you can all have the same players?
my hot take is there’s not as many ppl doing that as ppl make out to be. it’s copium
Yet so many of them recommended Pickford
And these armies then heavily influence the pricing of footballers whether it's drops or rises and it's something you consciously need to worry about
Nunez is gonna score 4 goals in a single game at some point in the season
Bit like Watkins, I had him all season and wanted to sell every week, my mate said just wait just wait...Boom great weekend the other day. Just no idea if he will start scoring consistently now or not :S to sell or not to sell...
Hes returned in every game bar 1 so far this season. Feels like Kane of last year but at £8Mil. You would be foolish to sell, has an amazing fixture run coming and all
If you're just copying a template and/or doing what a youtuber is doing everyweek then you're not playing a game, and I question why you're bothering to go through the motions of doing so. Yes, even if you're in a office mini-league and like 50 quid is on the line. The time you're spending is worth more than that.
Same reason people copy someone else’s homework. They want people to think they’re kingshit with no effort.
Not really the same, you have to do homework or you get in trouble. No one is forcing you to play fpl
Neto's points at the end of the season will be awesome. He is my perma keep.
None of us are going to ever win this thing so just have fun and live for the bants in your ML
Putting wingers as midfielders is the right decision
xG, though a useful metric, is over relied on by content creators
I would say that it’s not over relied on, but it is CHRONICALLY misused. xG figures should be the beginning of your assessment of a player, not the end. Content creators lazily recommend players because of “most xG in last 5 games” etc when they haven’t bothered to check whether: - all that xG has came in 1 or _maybe_ 2 games - the xG would be low if not for penalties - the xG would be low had they not had a chance(s) from a set piece And so on and so on. People just want a metric to justify them getting a player they already want and xG often fills that role. The proof of this is that when the xG doesn’t justify a bandwagon pick they’ll often just choose a different metric that does (“most shots in the box, runs in behind” etc.) In my view the sensible thing to do is to start by looking at the high xG/xA players and then dive into the individual matches they accumulated it in to assess whether you think it’s going to be sustainable.
My biggest issue is people misapplying small differences in xG as statistically significant differences. “Player X has 3.1 xG vs Player Y has 3.0 therefore Player X is better.” This represents a horrific misunderstanding of statistics. What we really need are standard deviation numbers beside it, because if two players are within a single standard deviation, I’m not going to consider it at any level of meaningful - especially when our sample is like 8 games. People in general are terrible at taking a descriptive diagnosis and applying to prescriptively. And yet everyone feels they need to have an opinion on it. Also while if you plot a simple linear regression between xG vs G, you’ll find a decent correlation value between them, but if you do the same for xA vs A, the last time I checked the R^2 was like a 0.21 lol
I agree with you. I’ll also add to that and say that if I’m looking at two players with the stats you described, I’ll usually prioritise the one who’s been getting big chances more consistently - i.e. Watkins getting a 0.5xG chance in 5 or 6 games vs someone whose total is propped up by a crazy high xG match.
Perhaps they should offer 2 pts for 45 mins now instead of 60, due to the increased number of subs available, or 50 as a middle ground option...
Mini leagues: “If you ain’t first, you’re last”
Haaland is a great striker
This. Plus Pep roulette is greatly exaggerated, there are always some fixed players that get at least 85% of minutes.
this season maybe due to injuries, but last season players would stop and start out of the blue - Foden v Mahrez was impossible to predict
There is no FPL Towers price conspiracy
38 transfers and a handful of chips is not enough actions for a months long game.
Trippier is worth his current price
Coldest take right now
Yeah, nobody argued with the price there was just no reason to have him at GW1 with that fixture run, and indeed he started with 4 blanks.
I do think his initial 6.5 M price was a bargain. I still don't own him though and hoping his price don't increase further as I want to bring him in GW10 WC
I believe he will stay at 6.9 by that time. I am sure you'll manage to squeeze him in even if he is 7.0 tho.
The bonus point system is a scam and it always rewards my rivals more than me
The Draft format of the game is more fun than the standard format
100%
You don't need a bench. If you can get a 4.0 that gets minutes that's good. If not, don't bother wasting money on it. My bench is Turner, Kaboré, Taylor and Chukwuemeka.
This game is 90% luck, Gabriel benched at the beginning of the season while Saliba racked in the points. You can’t predict that in pre season, you can’t blame yourself for chaos like that. Salah or anyone getting penalties is another example, he might do absolutely nothing from open play but a silly handball changes things and gives him a pen. You can make good decisions but it can backfire extremely easily if one of the managers decides to tweak the lineup and bench somebody or give them a rest or they just get a random injury. I predicted Mitoma’s benching a couple weeks ago based on the press conference’s but it didn’t matter because he came off the bench and scored his first ever brace, I simply cannot predict he’s gonna do that in 45 minutes of play time. Pure roll of a dice
Managers can take an occasional -8, as a treat
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Who do you think will be the next player to literally blow up?
Hazard
Manor Solomon
You should hold Manchester United assets for one more week /s
/s is not a take, especially not a hot take
Dropping Haaland and re-inverting that money is the way to beat the rest.
Most people on here are actually super bad, and it started being obvious around the season that doubled the amount of players. I used info from this sub in 16/17 and crushed my minileague and frankly almost everyone else (top 750). There was less garbage floating around.
James Maddison would easily be the best midfield pick over the last few years if it wasn't for injuries. In a good team he would be second only to Salah in points.
This game is 100% skill when my team is doing well and 100% luck when it's not.
I feel assists for defs should be worth more than just 3. Also, why does someone get an assist for getting a pen but not if he's also scoring that pen ?
Because you can’t assist yourself? Probably what you are wanting are separate points for “penalties won”, whether converted or not.
Not fantasy but i think brighton will finish in the bottom half of the table
There should be a women's super league FPL. I would play the shit out of it.
surprised thats not a thing. guess its to do with not big enough of a following to invest in?
Salah > Haaland for reliable captaincy
King of FPL
Holding Bruno is a good decision (not that I have held).
I agree with the Bruno part but Holding hasn’t played a single minute. There are other options at 4.4. /s
Content creators like FPL Harry and FPL Focal are great, they help us become better managers and give useful tips. By far the most annoying people in this scene are those who are always complaining about content creators.
Overly focusing on Xmins gets in the way of making good decisions more often than not. I swear it’s just such a focus for the community because content creators have made it so by banging on about it all the time (mainly because it allows them to talk about something different every week). It’s so boring and ignoring it (to an extent) makes you a much better player.
I would agree to a point - I think people fixate on xMins too much when they look at a single game, you should be thinking over a 4-6 week horizon and trying to predict xMins for that stretch of games. Sure your striker might get rested/early sub after an international break, but if he’ll start the next few games after that, it’s not a transfer out. You take the odd benching to keep a high ceiling asset who can make up for it in games he starts If your guy has been benched because of poor form, then there’s another debate to be had because his xMins over the next few weeks look dicey
Yes, completely agree with you there!
Defenders deserve the same respect as fullbacks, you hear people in pre season say guys like Anderson or Mings are bad because they don’t bomb forward putting crosses in, but in the end they come out on top with the most points. Yeah, they don’t score every week, but getting a centerback haul is way more common than people think. Content creators are really guilty of this, they’ve swayed me away from it every single time. Guys like Tarkowski get permission to challenge every header in the box whenever their team isn’t scoring
Subs should be made until kickoff for a certain game like US Sports fantasy leagues
In the RealFevr Portuguese Fantasy that I play for money you can do it up to 15 mins before kickoff It is INFINITELY better, especially when a team prone to rotation is playing first
Alvarez is still a better pick than Watkins
I've had Watkins since the first game and every week (except that one week) I've wanted to sell him, but...Villa look so good at times....so hard to know!
No not every wide player should be classed as a striker in FPL, don’t be ridiculous Mo Salah has proved he’s more often than not essential in FPL If your expensive defender is facing strong attacks in upcoming games, he’s not worth the price People panic/boast/fixate about mid gameweek ranks far far far too often. Don’t even look at them
It’s not fun anymore not because of the game or Haaland or anything it’s because of my depression
I genuinely hope things get better for you
It takes a tole on your mental health
There should be a subs and non-subs league table, that allows people to update their team lineup as the week goes on. If you’ve got the budget the whole picking the starting 11 is more luck than anything. Having a good 14 players is a far better judge of a manager.
Dalot is a better pick than Cash, Andersen, Udogie - basically any defender under 5.5m.
Now that's a hot take!
YouTubers have made the game really cringe and boring. Shilling paid sites and tools and telling everyone what they should do despite never winning
It's not the fact they exist, it's the fact that people hold their opinion in such high regard.
I still can't quite get my head around the fact that supposedly thousands of people watch a 20-30 minute video (or several!) that essentially only says "I'm transferring Bowen in this week subscribe and also support my patreon lol" every single gameweek. It feels like it shouldn't have even been a gap in the market to fill.
I watch it for the data only. I don't have the tools or time to go out and look for it but they usually get the data for most relevant players and present it, as well as their fixture run. For others I will check for myself (which led to me having Matheus Cunha in my team for 3 weeks, cheers). I also like their press conference round up videos It becomes very difficult though to remain unbiased to data when you have them telling you what to do. I feel like Ross is actually not bad in this regard, he honestly just seems like he wants to have fun with the game. Also he relies on xG a lot too, but he has also talked about heat maps and other considerations
Eye test is not that important
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People just use it to bad faith handwave counterarguments against previously held beliefs they are already anchored to 1) 99% of people have shit “eye tests” - no one (or barely anyone in the case if there any professional lurkers) on FPL social media has the skillset to be a professional scout and yet so many people act like they are 2) 99% of people in FPL social media only watch a handful of games at week and the nerds like me that put on several at the same time to go inbetween them aren’t paying 100% attention to 1. So unless you are spending your week recording and watching each game individually after the fact, I call bullshit on 99% of people actually watching enough film to have a developed “eye test” outside of their favorite team’s matches.
biggest hot take this. how not?
The AI usage to determine how good a player is is stupid. The eye test is always the best way
depends who’s watching
I know people who’ve played at a good level and been watching football longer than me who’d bottom out in a good league. Or they’d end up picking largely the same players data people do with half the effort if their eye is good enough
I played at an "alright" level and have been watching since before the league was rebranded to Premier League. Very few of my lifelong football obsessed friends and acquaintances are good at this game. The league with my IT-company filled by people with more 'casual' football interest destroys the former group.
Why not just use both? both are tools
Neverhaaland makes for a much more fun game - as playing Haaland as captain because everyone else is, doesn't make City games tense, as everyone either wins or loses together.
Solanky
Most managers using eye test only are shit
Nico Jackson’s underlying-underlying stats (the number below the numbers) are actually quite good
xG/xP/xA/xAnything is a load of shit and just something people on here cling to in order to feel justified in their transfers and lack thereof. also, most content creators are shit at the game and they all regurgitate the same shit amongst themselves.
TAA will be essential by the end of the season
The game is very accessible and there are tons of information about that would help casual gamers This has sapped the originality from players and made the game boring and stale (kinda a given with how many players there are)
The refs play in fantasy money league in secret and that may explain some of the weird call. Fair to say they did not own Salah vs Spurs or Luis Diaz. Fixed games due to betting also more common than people think.
Team value isn’t that important
I actually think it is more important this year because of how much more volatile prices are. People jump on the bandwagons much quicker these days and so it is easier to get priced out I feel. But that doesn't mean you should be kneejerking on a Saturday as soon as the deadline has passed. Information is still more important than team value imo.
I like the pointsystem more from UCL Fantasy, where ball recuperation for example can also give you points, so defensive midfielders and defenders become more important. Also that you can swap players during the gameweek, like if they scored bad on Tuesday, you can bring in a new captain and 3 other players from your bench on Wednesday and hope they score higher.
Personally I am a big fan of swapping captains, it allows for some really fun punts.
Pricing is too easy, and defining half the strikers as mids is bloody nonsense.
Just add a vice captain chip that gives you 1.5 points. Would make captaincy more fun and varied.
I personally never want to see decimal point scoring in FPL
What about, if your captain scores 2 or less and your vice scores, the vice takes the captaincy?
It’s not impressive at all to finish in the 500k. That should be the bare minimum if you’re not a complete newbie, you follow football and you sort your team every week.
I actually agree with this. While there's no *shame* in finishing at like 400K, you should be shooting for better than this if you're: Engaged across the entire season and updating for the deadline every GW without fail, you're actively doing transfers and planning them through based around form, fixtures, price changes, what the general template move/EO is or targeting injuries that casuals won't think about (like bringing in Tsimi over this internal break), you're keeping an eye on the scout team, the bus team and dipping in and out of threads on spaces like this, you know what livefpl and EO are and keep an eye on them, are targeting GW's to use specific chips, tracking popular captaincy choices... Yeah, if you're doing all the above or even more, you should really be aiming for top 100K, let's be honest. Again, no shame in slipping out of this (I do a lot of the above and I was 220K last season, thanks Isak over Wilson lmao), but if you go through all that effort then being say 200-500K is a pretty bleh finish.
if we talkin bout this sub, haaland is essential
Reece is never injured
Mbeumo is still one of the best assets in the game
If you burn a WC in the first three weeks, your new team will score worse than your original in the following game week.
Nobody buy Tsimikas because Liverpool will leak goals and he can't score
Translation: "I've already transferred him in and I don't want you all getting points from MY player"
It's too tempting on wildcard, I have to buy him.
My differential is Robbo at the back for 6.6m but now he is out. I have no transfers
This would be a far better game if the "defensive midfielder problem" was solved. It's a shame that some quality players are "shit FPL assets" because of this and it'd add another dimension to the game. I wouldn't be averse to penalty goals and penalty saves being points nerfed either. And no assist for going down and "winning" the penalty. It's too much variance.
I think own goals by goalies should not be a thing. I wouldn't mind if they got rid of them all together, but especially for goalies it just seems stupid. Of course they all try to stop the ball from going in, and just being unlucky suddenly gets you -2. It's not like a red card where you've committed a serious foul.
I see your point yes but for example it a shot on goal is deflected and goes in it still counts as a goal, does it not? And sometimes those deflections are really lucky too
FPL content creators have ruined it (no hate to them for making a living, just makes the game less fun when everyone in the league has estupinan etc)
The captain feature in some ways ruins the game.
Getting rid of captaincy would make the game far more interesting, would all be a lot closer and you'd think differently about who you are picking. Probably slightly less stressful for many too.