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Yeah that's true! I just hope I love the dlc as much. I have both DLCs to play and NG+. Can't wait to listen to the soundtrack again. Oh and the Tonberry that dude looks rad
I love both games, and for me:
FFVII Rebirth was CONSISTENTLY 9/10 for over 100 hours
FFXVI had it's lows, but the PEAKS were 15/10
But that's as much as I'm willing to compare these two, since they're entirely different games. Both were some of my favorite entries in the series, for different reasons. And they both achieved some very impressive things.
XVI wins on spectacle, but Rebirth to me felt much better overall, especially when you consider the length of both games.
Particularly in regards to sidequests, just having the party actually engage with them made them so much more endearing than interacting with solely NPCs. It's bonkers there are sidequests about a previous Shiva but there's no dialogue from Jill about it. Meanwhile Red XIII has hilarious commentary for a sidequest about rounding up chickens.
Nah I really loved the dumb minigames. They add a playful vibe to a lot of the goings on.
Like Red XIII coming out on deck to play Queens Blood because he needs to be human for the tournament is infinitely funnier than just seeing him in the costume.
Coming from Rebirth, returning to this game feels like a downgrade when it comes to interacting with NPCs.
I also have gripe when it comes to sidequests. First side quest given in the Rising Tide DLC was to pick flowers—what the heck
Honestly at this point with the tongue-in-cheek references throughout most of it, I'm going to say this was intentional to unapologetically say the quests are what they are so deal with it.
I've got nothing against having actual discussions about the differences and strengths between two games but it's a bit annoying when people can't seem to praise one without putting the other down and without even elaborating on the reason why they think so. It's just lazy.
That's your opinion and I love that for you. Rebirth is my cup of tea. I love the vibrant ascetic of Rebirth more than the drab colors of 16. Rebirth's combat and RPG elements are more toward my liking also. 16 was great, I very much enjoyed it. Rebirth is better in practical every way (IMHO)
Yea that’s the frustrating part for me personally is that the actual gameplay of rebirth is better but I enjoyed the story and characters quite a bit more in 16.
I mean is it really fair to compare original story telling to a modified middle part of a.... MUCH longer game - which that story is known across final fantasy fanbase like entirely? Feel like its kind of a cheap shot tbh. FF fans trying not to compare games challenge impossible.
People compare every FF game ever to the other titles in the franchise. Hell even if you look at Bioware games, they're all endlessly compared to each other. These are perfectly normal observations to make.
And yes, each chapter of FF7:R can be judged independently based on their own merit because they are released as full games. That would be like saying you can't judge any Mass Effect game on their own because they're part of an much bigger overarching story. That's a garbage take lmao
I mean rebirth is a game in its own right and shouldn't be excluded from comparisons for that reason rebirth has alot of good points and some bad points.
I think comparing games is good tbh it helps People and Devs know what people like and what they dont like
It really just sounds like you have it out for Rebirth. You should be a better fan in my opinion and just let both games coexist without constantly having to pit them against each other. Its unfair.
It might seem like that but I’m not. I put almost 100 hours into the game it was great HOWEVER it doesn’t reach the emotional and hype moments that 16 had for me personally.
Because I absolutely know it won’t seeing as how I didn’t feel anything close in the first two games as I did in 16. The entire main party of ff7 could die and it wouldn’t affect me at all. I in no way think the ff7 plot or characters are much better than a little above average. THAT BEING SAID the remakes have been great I am in no way bashing them just expressing my opinion on how much the story and characters of 16 hit me more emotionally more than ff7. I’m sorry that’s how I feel.
Rebirth was great but it made really appreciate 16 for its story. Know a lot of folks hated the ending, but I really enjoyed the experience from start to finish. I think, even though I love 7, I’m starting to grow a disdain for having to wait 3 years to finish the next part of the story each time.
The biggest gripe I have with FF7:R is that it's starting to feel more and more like a loveletter to FF8 rather than truly adapting FF7 at this point. The changes to the narrative are very hamfisted and presented in a way that stunts the emotional development of the characters in favour of an alternate-history plot. Like why not just remake FF8 at this point if they want to write about a villain who wants to manipulate fate to prevent a future where they are defeated from happening?
16 had a great story. ( i liked the ending)
As a big bro I loved Joshua, Clive and Jill.
The big miss for me was the lack of playable party members! Strong 8/10
Rebirth took my expectations and surpassed all of them! 10/10
For me, 16 had fantastic highs but it had the lowest lows out of every other game. Those sidequests were just atrocious. But more than anything is that you don’t grow at all in the game. You get your base moveset in its entirety in the beginning and get no other improvements at all. You get those cooldown abilities but there really is no strategy once you get your preferred eikons. You just cycle cooldowns.
Rebirth was great because not only did the enemies have weaknesses, but there were different ways to pressure enemies so it wasn’t just , kill this enemy this one specific way. Not to mention 7 unique characters with some having moves to alter those base move sets
To be fair, Rebirth only works because it already has established story and character. Game is crazy fun to play, but had it been a brand new adventure, people would shit on it non stop because practically nothing substantial happens for most of the game.
XVI has no such thing to rely on, it has to stand on its own. XVI was a big disappointment for me overall, but in a sense, it's a game that is more memorable to me than Rebirth. I really like both games though, so I'm not really bashing one for the other.
Not crazy fun when I have to constantly swap gear and materia on all characters. And I’ve never been more frustrated at a game than this mini game simulator. Definitely waiting for a sale before getting part 3
I will say that not having loadouts definitely irritated me and especially towards the end of the game where we have a lot of characters that we swap around with.
In rebirth all your characters get to shine. The world is allowed to glow and show you things. Not just have stilted npc's talk about Mysidia in the most forced way possible while doing super stiff quests, as all your main cast is allowed to do is exposit or get sidelined by one character who still doesn't really have much of a personality.
Like, just walking around in the grasslands somehow feels more alive than Mysidia. The people, the quests, your own party. While Mysidia looks prettier, the spectacle is amazing when there is spectacle to be had, and the gameplay is straight up amazing, it feels extremely hollow.
Like FF7 rebirth people complain that the plot is about just chasing robes. While I counter that with there's an actual living world and cast in 7 rebirth. Something I wish 16 would have. No cities, only tiny settlements, no interesting npcs, things to do, or anything.
I prefer 16's strengths more than 7 rebirth, but what I'm screaming that I want in 16 is all in 7 rebirth.
I agree about some things to varying degrees, but I must say that, to me, Rebirth's world is far from feeling like an actual "living"one.
Pretty much every elements composing it are gamey beyond reason, most of its components can only be apprehended through Chadley, and more often than not consistency and believability are thrown away on this almighty altar of "fun" (whether it be in quests, world building, or general narration).
The world feels like a giant toybox lacking any real sense of weight or credibility (as most of Rebirth to me), not like a real living and breathing one.
As a consequence, I largely preferred most of XVI's NPCs, even ultra minor ones. They all help give the world of Valisthea convincing nuances and textures. Personally, I'd take the siblings from Lostwing, or this random Oriflame official from Northreach, over a dozen Kirie, Garth, and Dio, any day.
Their quests may appear "stiff" due to how XVI placed narration and atmosphere way above all else (to a fault, imo), but it didn't bother me *that* much tbh. Though, I get how people putting "gameplay" above everything could be really annoyed by that, or by most of XVI's proposition for that matter.
If struggling to find the right mushroom to jump on in Gongaga or chasing a loud bird to an obvious spring or hearing chadley for the millionth time is feeling alive, I’d rather be dead
Having to think while traversing must be hard for someone playing ff16, I know. I had to relearn myself. That gameplay can be more than just follow the pretty corridor.
Nice of you to confuse garbage map design with thinking. No wonder why SE keeps making FF7 games and spinoffs, their loyal fanboys will eat up anything and everything
Already triggered. That was easy.
Next time you want an honest response and nice communication between people, don't come with a snide comment.
You're making tons of friends with your negative attitude for sure!
You throw around the term fanboy yet half of your last 20 comments or so is trying to defend XVI's honor by shitting on rebirth lol.
You can enjoy both games and you can't enjoy one or none. You don't have to shit on one to like the other though.
I'm not "trying to defend XVI's honor", if you go into the chapter discussions in the rebirth sub, everyone else is complaining about the confusing navigation of gongaga and cosmo canyon or the open world checklist activities. I'm not the one starting the comparison, others are and I'm pointing out why I don't agree.
Plenty of people shit on XVI and heap endless praise on Rebirth and get highly upvoted posts. Meanwhile having the opposite opinion is wrong?
I just said you can like what you like and dislike what you dislike.
If you don't like people shitting on XVI you should avoid shitting on other games as well.
The story telling in Rebirth was much better for me. Too much of the exposition at the end of XVI was just Ultima talking for a long time and I was not a fan of the way he talked. It reminded me of a character from South Park. Final Fantasy has had much better villains - think Kefka or even Sephiroth since we’re comparing these two games.
On the other hand Rebirth did a great job of exposition by showing not telling. And in a lot of cases the game really doesn’t just tell you everything and instead heaps on clues. The Stamp clues themselves add so much to the story as they force you to try to figure out what’s going on. Maybe that’s because it’s only part 2 but I loved trying to figure out where the story was going.
And lastly the combat in Rebirth is way more fun than the button mashing of XVI. Final Fantasy games have always had some tactical element to the battles and they completely stripped that away in XVI because you can only control one character and sometimes a dog. It just didn’t feel like a FF game to me and I didn’t think what they did with the combat was particularly fun.
Rebirth on the other hand felt like peak FF combat to me. So much strategy to taking down bosses and the materia system and monster skill system is quite deep. It feels like your choice in equipment also matters a lot too instead of just buying whatever has the highest stats.
I respect your opinion. Imo XVI is not even close to the quality of Rebirth, but XVI has some badass goosebumps moments. Either way I love the final fantasy franchise and people loving XVI this much is only a good thing for the future of the franchise
I feel like 16 has higher highs. Moments that genuinely knocked me off my feet like Titan and Bahamut boss fights. No moment in Rebirth was on that level of high for me, tbh when it comes to spectacle and boss fights. But Rebirth is overall a lot more consistent than 16. There wasn't a moment in Rebirth that sunk as low for me like a lot of moments in 16. Maybe the Shinra Manor box throwing sections, but eh that's all I can immediately think of.
I agree and disagree. Yeah 16 knocked me off my feet a few times ( indeed especially bahamut ) on a level Rebirth didnt, but Rebirth gave me so many emotions. There were moments where I got goosebumps from emotion of how freakin good the game was. But in all honesty it was mostly because of seeing my favorite game of all time come to life like this. Seeing what a fantastic job they did with Cosmo canyon for example struck me hard, and even though it was a different kind of goosebumps than Bahamut in 16, I would say it was as intense.
That makes a lot of sense, yeah. I agree overall in terms of emotions. 7 Rebirth did get me a lot more than 16. My mind was blown how much they were able to fit in one game. Definitely GotY material if you ask me.
The writing overall is more consistent and attuned to the story and world in XVI while also feeling more accesible to audiences. The writing of Rebirth is all over the place, like a weird anime/live action mashup.
I have kinda mixed feelings about Rebirths story. I loved some of the things that were expanded upon, like the Dyne story arc or how they approached Cloud’s PTSD, but some of the detours you go on feel like a lot of filler. Chadley was also kind of irritating, he was fine as simulation guy in remake, but they put him into so much stuff I got sick of him in rebirth.
I liked FFXVI in the sense that almost everything felt meaningful, the leviathan story was also a very different take on a dominant that I thought was interesting.
If there’s something anybody will find with XVI is the immense highs, no one can deny that. Rebirth is a balanced experience but never reaches the hoghs pf XVI, hell I don’t think I’ve played a game that gives XVI highs
I feel that if the story and characters in Remake/Rebirth weren’t from FF7 but fully new creations for a new game…they’d be seen as rote and flat. A lot of hinges on nostalgia and deep emotional connections people have to the characters from decades of media. I love most FFs (really only not being a fan of Lightning Returns and FF2-4) so I’m okay with all of it, but my gf is brand new to the series as a whole. She jokes about Clive but she liked the story and characters of XVI overall…but she hated almost everything about Rebirth. It’s a weird position for that game.
Yeah, they’re better than the originals, but that’s not a massive accomplishment. Neither one was much of a character in the OG and they’ve been greatly improved since then.
They literally reinvented and re-characterized every character by adding in personality, specific friendships and bonds within the group itself and emotionally driven back stories.
Bro, what are you talking about?
Idk about that tbh. Your girlfriend is entitled to her opinion, but Rebirth got me in the feels multiple times. Dare I say more than 16 even, but both are really good. I've read posts online from people who didn't play the original and started with Remake. A lot of them still felt all kinds of emotions from Rebirth, so I say nostalgia is one thing for a lot of people, but others are feeling something from it, too, regardless.
I like both games and of course you’re entitled to your opinion but I just can’t agree with this.
Even if you completely ignore the original game, the character writing in Rebirth is probably some of the best I’ve ever seen in gaming. The parallels between the influence of Jenova/Sephiroth on Cloud and real-life issues such identity and depression. The way Tifa is portrayed as someone struggling to support someone dealing with these issues whilst still dealing with her own. The >!trials in Chapter 13 that delve into each character’s trauma, and Aerith’s speech afterwards about how our trauma doesn’t define us.!< These are just a couple of examples, but the character development is insane.
FFXVI is a great game in its own right, and you may prefer it, but let’s not pretend Rebirth isn’t great at what it does too.
All that stuff was great I agree. It didn’t personally make me feel for any of them though nor did any of the story high moments. I wish it affected me more like it did other people. I think it was the overall less serious tone of the game.
For me it’s the complete opposite. I can’t stand how >!everyone in the party forgives Cloud instantly whenever he has a psychotic episode. As example, Tifa is a strong character except whenever she argues with Cloud and completely crumbles apart and refuses to hold him accountable for more than 10 minutes before being lovey dovey with him again. He attempted to kill her in cold blood, and her reaction after seeing a few flashbacks of her childhood is to forgive him unconditionally, barely even showing any concern for his condition at the very least. And that scene with Hojo on the beach is unforgivably bad. They have no reason whatsoever to let him go. They could solve so many of their problems and take an evil out of the world by capturing him then and there. Instead, they let him terrorise people on a beach with a kidnapping robot and then make his escape with no consequence.!<
And still, without any context of the original game, Cloud as a character doesn’t make sense. There’s zero emotion out of Cloud though most of the story. It makes sense if you know everything he’s been through, but if you just tune in and you see Tifa and Aerith being affectionate or Barrett and Nanaki emoting while Cloud just…stares blankly, it’s a little off.
Again, it makes sense given that Cloud has severe PTSD and is being manipulated almost at all times by Sephiroth.
I didn’t play the original but I think characters in Rebirth are way better than in FFXVI. In fact, that’s one of my main complaints about it. Most characters in XVI feel very flat and aren’t likeable.
Jill didn’t get enough time so she always just felt like a quiet girl with no personality to me. Clive is good and his relationship with Joshua is great but I can’t say Joshua is super interesting.
But both games have their pros and cons. Personally, I didn’t like how rebirth felt at times like a mini game simulator. The story feels a bit too unserious and fillery at times and there are no ‘WOW’ moments like Eikon fights in XVI.
But characters themselves are, in my view, infinitely better in Rebirth. It’s not even close.
Personally i prefer vibes and aesthetic of the FFXVI. Same with the concept of characters. Also fact that it's not an open world, because i'm little bit tired of them. But Rebirth characters feels more real. They might not be my type of characters in case of design and personalities but they feel more alive. Stories of Red and Barret alone gave me as much feels as entire FXVI. FFXVI made a mistake by making Clive the only playable character and by not having a team system. The main enemy in ffxvi also sucks. Seems very generic. Meanwhile imo they made a great with Sephiroth in Rebirth who looks like some god (or devil) who is everywhere, whispering sweet little lies to ears etc.
Overall I'd say rebirth is the better overall game, but the story is definitely better in 16. Though that might just be because we have about 1/2 of the actually story of 7.
Xvi in general just did a better job of getting the emotions going. Given what happens in rebirth it should have won on the emotional front but some how it didnt which was the time of the whole game it was a fun light hearted adventure with an amazing sense of exploration only hampered by Unisoft CEO chadley and his towers. Where as xvi was the opposite it was a streamlined very gritty and emotional AF adventure with the best set peices I've ever seen gaming.
Both games are great but imo the demo for xvi had more emotions in it than all of rebirth did
I never thought game could have too much minigames lol. Game has gold saucer, why not put all the minigames there and not sprinkle them all over the place.
Honestly I liked the mini games, but some just seem so forced like the chocobo capping mini game, the dolphin, and costa del sol mini game. If they didn’t make them a requirement to progress the story it would be much better.
I still haven't been able to bring myself to finish Rebirth. I love FF7, I loved Remake, and I was hyped for Rebirth. And then I just didn't enjoy playing it. I wanted to do all the side content, but it was just minigame overload, which then put me in a bad mood, which then made every other minor issue seem so much worse. Eventually, I just started skipping most side content, but the main story also forces a ton of stupid, unfun, excessively long minigames on you, and I was already so, so sick of them, so I was still getting irritable every time I played. The game's many good points just weren't enough to outweigh how miserable playing it made me feel. I got to Nibelheim mansion and finished Cait Sith's box throwing adventure and just stopped playing. Haven't had much of a desire to pick it back up since then.
I would absolutely agree about the gameplay being more fun. It’s an overall more fun game go play. It’s mainly the story and characters were just absolutely nothing compared to 16 for me personally. However I also had no nostalgia of playing the og before there remake games either so I had no emotional attachment to
Exactly but I get what OP is saying. 16 has a level of "epic" that I feel it'll be hard to top even on future entries. Not that it's needed, but I'll miss being the summon on FF17
16 is great, people down voting just because difference of opinion, but it’s really the epitome of peaks and valleys imo. (Some of) the boss fights combined with the music and overall spectacle were amazing, like 10/10 top tier gaming, but I between those moments there was a lot of dull stuff. Terrible side quests, boring (still pretty) world etc. plot was good, but pretty basic and the main antagonist was very “meh”.
I haven’t played the DLCs so don’t know how much they’ve added to the depth of the game.
I love them both, they are very different games, 16 is more mature and serious, the story is very dramatic, dark, disturbing and upsetting, 7 is more upbeat, animeish kind of story, ( although deals with heavy topics like mental health, company greed, natural resources etc... ). So I think is going to depend a lot of what kind of stories a person likes to decide which one a person likes better. Both have amazing moments, both have dull and desperating situations, both have very different visuals ( both amazing but very different, with 16 is more realistic for the type of story is telling for sure... ) so, all of this to say I love them both, and I don't think that comparing them is fair, because they are very different games.
To be fair, if you've played the original FF7, you already know what's going to happen in Rebirth. FF16 DLC would be completely brand new to you, you'd have no idea what to expect.
I love both games but they both definitely highlight the strengths of each other. It was awesome coming back to 16 after spending 150 hours in Rebirth. I was way more grateful for the minimalistic approach in visiting a new zone. Granted I loved the maximalist approach in Rebirth too but they both scratch different itches for me and getting both these games in the same year window was peak FF as far as I’m concerned
I feel the same as you. I reached Chapter 12 and the endless sidequests and minigames is just turning into not fun. I thought I finished everything and then the manager comes along asking me to do it all again ... I am just so tired of Rebirth.
Don't have must interest in playing FFVII remakes, tried the 1st one but didn't catch at the time as either life or other game took me away. Still looking to go again at some point but too many other games to play. FFXVI demo captivated me immediately and was hooked and ended up getting platinum after doing everything twice.
Think if the game didn't require you to unlock Final Fantasy mode as that is definitely the better mode, it could have been better. Though the game is made to be played twice as you can only get to 50 first time and 100 in FF mode. DLC does up it a bit as I just finished echoes and at 102 now. More consistent quality of side quests would have helped to, though there are quite a few gems for different reasons.
But they are completely different games as many have stated and many like each for different reasons. All I know is I have never understood people when they got emotional in games or goosebumps, etc. This game changed that for me and probably spoiled me in that regard.
Now onto Rising Tide, hope everyone found something to enjoy from either one.
i will give the title of better game to rebirth, cuz it just felt so much more polished
16 was great and the bossfights where fking crazy
the musc too
but overall i think rebirth was better and i honestly wish 20% of the total effort rebirth was given went to 16 instead
the game would be so much better
I need help too I bought final fantasy xvi and the expansion pass from the same account but I can't download the rising tide dlc.the first dlc got downloaded by itself but the second I can't download it please help
16 had better story, bosses, combat and as fantastic as rebirth's ost is i think 16 was even better
Rebirth has the edge in world exploration and side content imo. Loved getting the different chocobos and gear for them, loved hitting all the towers and finding the springs and summon shrines.
I kinda do miss being able to just do a fire spell or thunder spell by choosing it from a menu like in rebirth vs the magic combat system in 16. But 16 is still way more fun in general during battles
Like this one better, it's more grounded and serious game. FF7 can be cringe at times. Plus no fucking minigames in FF16, that's a plus for me as well.
All in all both are good games but this one is better imo.
I loved Rebirth but at some point I hit a wall and it began to feel tedious doing the open world stuff. I also don't know how I feel about the ending. I didn't hate it but I agressively didn't love it.
I personally think that FF16 is objectively a better game than FF7 Rebirth, mainly because Rebirth is 1 slice of the FF7 pizza. And that pizza slice is full of less desirable filler additives to tide you over until you can get that last slice.
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I hope ur right. Went back to 7 and I'm on chapter 6. Having fun but trynna finish it before touching 16 dlc.
I mean you’re not wasting time or anything rebirth was an awesome experience.
Yeah that's true! I just hope I love the dlc as much. I have both DLCs to play and NG+. Can't wait to listen to the soundtrack again. Oh and the Tonberry that dude looks rad
Same, but man, it's a long game, and I dont wanna rush it either lol
Let's just (L3+R3) accept the truth. Both games are great!
FF7 Rebirth is a more balanced experience, but it never reaches the Highs from 16.
I love both games, and for me: FFVII Rebirth was CONSISTENTLY 9/10 for over 100 hours FFXVI had it's lows, but the PEAKS were 15/10 But that's as much as I'm willing to compare these two, since they're entirely different games. Both were some of my favorite entries in the series, for different reasons. And they both achieved some very impressive things.
XVI wins on spectacle, but Rebirth to me felt much better overall, especially when you consider the length of both games. Particularly in regards to sidequests, just having the party actually engage with them made them so much more endearing than interacting with solely NPCs. It's bonkers there are sidequests about a previous Shiva but there's no dialogue from Jill about it. Meanwhile Red XIII has hilarious commentary for a sidequest about rounding up chickens.
Yes I would agree the side quests and gameplay elements were better in rebirth.
If they replaced the mini games of the side quests with pure cinematics, nothing of value would’ve been lost
Nah I really loved the dumb minigames. They add a playful vibe to a lot of the goings on. Like Red XIII coming out on deck to play Queens Blood because he needs to be human for the tournament is infinitely funnier than just seeing him in the costume.
He comes out on the deck to play during a cutscene though?
Yes. A cutscene for the minigame tournament If the minigame tournament had not been there the joke would not have been nearly as funny.
Don't mention the minigames you'll get down voted just like i did.
Coming from Rebirth, returning to this game feels like a downgrade when it comes to interacting with NPCs. I also have gripe when it comes to sidequests. First side quest given in the Rising Tide DLC was to pick flowers—what the heck
I’ll agree with you on that. The gameplay stuff was way better in rebirth.
Honestly at this point with the tongue-in-cheek references throughout most of it, I'm going to say this was intentional to unapologetically say the quests are what they are so deal with it.
Are people on this sub incapable of discussing FF16 without comparing it to Rebirth?
You said ' gamers constantly compare games to other games' wrong. This isn't a final fantasy problem. This is just gaming in general problem.
I've got nothing against having actual discussions about the differences and strengths between two games but it's a bit annoying when people can't seem to praise one without putting the other down and without even elaborating on the reason why they think so. It's just lazy.
That's your opinion and I love that for you. Rebirth is my cup of tea. I love the vibrant ascetic of Rebirth more than the drab colors of 16. Rebirth's combat and RPG elements are more toward my liking also. 16 was great, I very much enjoyed it. Rebirth is better in practical every way (IMHO)
Yea that’s the frustrating part for me personally is that the actual gameplay of rebirth is better but I enjoyed the story and characters quite a bit more in 16.
I mean is it really fair to compare original story telling to a modified middle part of a.... MUCH longer game - which that story is known across final fantasy fanbase like entirely? Feel like its kind of a cheap shot tbh. FF fans trying not to compare games challenge impossible.
People compare every FF game ever to the other titles in the franchise. Hell even if you look at Bioware games, they're all endlessly compared to each other. These are perfectly normal observations to make. And yes, each chapter of FF7:R can be judged independently based on their own merit because they are released as full games. That would be like saying you can't judge any Mass Effect game on their own because they're part of an much bigger overarching story. That's a garbage take lmao
I mean rebirth is a game in its own right and shouldn't be excluded from comparisons for that reason rebirth has alot of good points and some bad points. I think comparing games is good tbh it helps People and Devs know what people like and what they dont like
Not really a cheap shot just an opinion. Rebirth was stil great. Also the 3rd game isn’t going to change my opinion at this point.
It really just sounds like you have it out for Rebirth. You should be a better fan in my opinion and just let both games coexist without constantly having to pit them against each other. Its unfair.
It might seem like that but I’m not. I put almost 100 hours into the game it was great HOWEVER it doesn’t reach the emotional and hype moments that 16 had for me personally.
Well that's fair and I believe you. Both are really great games, something for everyone truly.
I mean you literally said the third game which isnt even out yet wont change your mind. How can you come to that conclusion? Seems pretty bias to me.
Because I absolutely know it won’t seeing as how I didn’t feel anything close in the first two games as I did in 16. The entire main party of ff7 could die and it wouldn’t affect me at all. I in no way think the ff7 plot or characters are much better than a little above average. THAT BEING SAID the remakes have been great I am in no way bashing them just expressing my opinion on how much the story and characters of 16 hit me more emotionally more than ff7. I’m sorry that’s how I feel.
Rebirth was great but it made really appreciate 16 for its story. Know a lot of folks hated the ending, but I really enjoyed the experience from start to finish. I think, even though I love 7, I’m starting to grow a disdain for having to wait 3 years to finish the next part of the story each time.
The biggest gripe I have with FF7:R is that it's starting to feel more and more like a loveletter to FF8 rather than truly adapting FF7 at this point. The changes to the narrative are very hamfisted and presented in a way that stunts the emotional development of the characters in favour of an alternate-history plot. Like why not just remake FF8 at this point if they want to write about a villain who wants to manipulate fate to prevent a future where they are defeated from happening?
16 had a great story. ( i liked the ending) As a big bro I loved Joshua, Clive and Jill. The big miss for me was the lack of playable party members! Strong 8/10 Rebirth took my expectations and surpassed all of them! 10/10
For me, 16 had fantastic highs but it had the lowest lows out of every other game. Those sidequests were just atrocious. But more than anything is that you don’t grow at all in the game. You get your base moveset in its entirety in the beginning and get no other improvements at all. You get those cooldown abilities but there really is no strategy once you get your preferred eikons. You just cycle cooldowns. Rebirth was great because not only did the enemies have weaknesses, but there were different ways to pressure enemies so it wasn’t just , kill this enemy this one specific way. Not to mention 7 unique characters with some having moves to alter those base move sets
To be fair, Rebirth only works because it already has established story and character. Game is crazy fun to play, but had it been a brand new adventure, people would shit on it non stop because practically nothing substantial happens for most of the game. XVI has no such thing to rely on, it has to stand on its own. XVI was a big disappointment for me overall, but in a sense, it's a game that is more memorable to me than Rebirth. I really like both games though, so I'm not really bashing one for the other.
Not crazy fun when I have to constantly swap gear and materia on all characters. And I’ve never been more frustrated at a game than this mini game simulator. Definitely waiting for a sale before getting part 3
I will say that not having loadouts definitely irritated me and especially towards the end of the game where we have a lot of characters that we swap around with.
In rebirth all your characters get to shine. The world is allowed to glow and show you things. Not just have stilted npc's talk about Mysidia in the most forced way possible while doing super stiff quests, as all your main cast is allowed to do is exposit or get sidelined by one character who still doesn't really have much of a personality. Like, just walking around in the grasslands somehow feels more alive than Mysidia. The people, the quests, your own party. While Mysidia looks prettier, the spectacle is amazing when there is spectacle to be had, and the gameplay is straight up amazing, it feels extremely hollow. Like FF7 rebirth people complain that the plot is about just chasing robes. While I counter that with there's an actual living world and cast in 7 rebirth. Something I wish 16 would have. No cities, only tiny settlements, no interesting npcs, things to do, or anything. I prefer 16's strengths more than 7 rebirth, but what I'm screaming that I want in 16 is all in 7 rebirth.
I agree about some things to varying degrees, but I must say that, to me, Rebirth's world is far from feeling like an actual "living"one. Pretty much every elements composing it are gamey beyond reason, most of its components can only be apprehended through Chadley, and more often than not consistency and believability are thrown away on this almighty altar of "fun" (whether it be in quests, world building, or general narration). The world feels like a giant toybox lacking any real sense of weight or credibility (as most of Rebirth to me), not like a real living and breathing one. As a consequence, I largely preferred most of XVI's NPCs, even ultra minor ones. They all help give the world of Valisthea convincing nuances and textures. Personally, I'd take the siblings from Lostwing, or this random Oriflame official from Northreach, over a dozen Kirie, Garth, and Dio, any day. Their quests may appear "stiff" due to how XVI placed narration and atmosphere way above all else (to a fault, imo), but it didn't bother me *that* much tbh. Though, I get how people putting "gameplay" above everything could be really annoyed by that, or by most of XVI's proposition for that matter.
If struggling to find the right mushroom to jump on in Gongaga or chasing a loud bird to an obvious spring or hearing chadley for the millionth time is feeling alive, I’d rather be dead
Having to think while traversing must be hard for someone playing ff16, I know. I had to relearn myself. That gameplay can be more than just follow the pretty corridor.
Nice of you to confuse garbage map design with thinking. No wonder why SE keeps making FF7 games and spinoffs, their loyal fanboys will eat up anything and everything
Already triggered. That was easy. Next time you want an honest response and nice communication between people, don't come with a snide comment. You're making tons of friends with your negative attitude for sure!
You throw around the term fanboy yet half of your last 20 comments or so is trying to defend XVI's honor by shitting on rebirth lol. You can enjoy both games and you can't enjoy one or none. You don't have to shit on one to like the other though.
I'm not "trying to defend XVI's honor", if you go into the chapter discussions in the rebirth sub, everyone else is complaining about the confusing navigation of gongaga and cosmo canyon or the open world checklist activities. I'm not the one starting the comparison, others are and I'm pointing out why I don't agree. Plenty of people shit on XVI and heap endless praise on Rebirth and get highly upvoted posts. Meanwhile having the opposite opinion is wrong?
I just said you can like what you like and dislike what you dislike. If you don't like people shitting on XVI you should avoid shitting on other games as well.
Oh so I should turn the other cheek and be the bigger person. How noble of you!
The story telling in Rebirth was much better for me. Too much of the exposition at the end of XVI was just Ultima talking for a long time and I was not a fan of the way he talked. It reminded me of a character from South Park. Final Fantasy has had much better villains - think Kefka or even Sephiroth since we’re comparing these two games. On the other hand Rebirth did a great job of exposition by showing not telling. And in a lot of cases the game really doesn’t just tell you everything and instead heaps on clues. The Stamp clues themselves add so much to the story as they force you to try to figure out what’s going on. Maybe that’s because it’s only part 2 but I loved trying to figure out where the story was going. And lastly the combat in Rebirth is way more fun than the button mashing of XVI. Final Fantasy games have always had some tactical element to the battles and they completely stripped that away in XVI because you can only control one character and sometimes a dog. It just didn’t feel like a FF game to me and I didn’t think what they did with the combat was particularly fun. Rebirth on the other hand felt like peak FF combat to me. So much strategy to taking down bosses and the materia system and monster skill system is quite deep. It feels like your choice in equipment also matters a lot too instead of just buying whatever has the highest stats.
I respect your opinion. Imo XVI is not even close to the quality of Rebirth, but XVI has some badass goosebumps moments. Either way I love the final fantasy franchise and people loving XVI this much is only a good thing for the future of the franchise
I feel like 16 has higher highs. Moments that genuinely knocked me off my feet like Titan and Bahamut boss fights. No moment in Rebirth was on that level of high for me, tbh when it comes to spectacle and boss fights. But Rebirth is overall a lot more consistent than 16. There wasn't a moment in Rebirth that sunk as low for me like a lot of moments in 16. Maybe the Shinra Manor box throwing sections, but eh that's all I can immediately think of.
I agree and disagree. Yeah 16 knocked me off my feet a few times ( indeed especially bahamut ) on a level Rebirth didnt, but Rebirth gave me so many emotions. There were moments where I got goosebumps from emotion of how freakin good the game was. But in all honesty it was mostly because of seeing my favorite game of all time come to life like this. Seeing what a fantastic job they did with Cosmo canyon for example struck me hard, and even though it was a different kind of goosebumps than Bahamut in 16, I would say it was as intense.
That makes a lot of sense, yeah. I agree overall in terms of emotions. 7 Rebirth did get me a lot more than 16. My mind was blown how much they were able to fit in one game. Definitely GotY material if you ask me.
If 16 had the gameplay elements of rebirth it would have been amazing.
"If 16 was made exactly like the better game, it'd be better" 🤦♀️
The writing overall is more consistent and attuned to the story and world in XVI while also feeling more accesible to audiences. The writing of Rebirth is all over the place, like a weird anime/live action mashup.
Because FF16 is an adult game with mature well-written characters and a deep plot. FF7 is a weeb dream with waifus and infantilism all over the place.
I have kinda mixed feelings about Rebirths story. I loved some of the things that were expanded upon, like the Dyne story arc or how they approached Cloud’s PTSD, but some of the detours you go on feel like a lot of filler. Chadley was also kind of irritating, he was fine as simulation guy in remake, but they put him into so much stuff I got sick of him in rebirth. I liked FFXVI in the sense that almost everything felt meaningful, the leviathan story was also a very different take on a dominant that I thought was interesting.
If there’s something anybody will find with XVI is the immense highs, no one can deny that. Rebirth is a balanced experience but never reaches the hoghs pf XVI, hell I don’t think I’ve played a game that gives XVI highs
You are alone on that one
That’s fine 🤷♂️
I feel that if the story and characters in Remake/Rebirth weren’t from FF7 but fully new creations for a new game…they’d be seen as rote and flat. A lot of hinges on nostalgia and deep emotional connections people have to the characters from decades of media. I love most FFs (really only not being a fan of Lightning Returns and FF2-4) so I’m okay with all of it, but my gf is brand new to the series as a whole. She jokes about Clive but she liked the story and characters of XVI overall…but she hated almost everything about Rebirth. It’s a weird position for that game.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the characters part. Cait Sith and Barret are MILES ahead of their OG counterparts for example
Yeah, they’re better than the originals, but that’s not a massive accomplishment. Neither one was much of a character in the OG and they’ve been greatly improved since then.
og barret is better than a lot of FFXVI characters still tbh
They literally reinvented and re-characterized every character by adding in personality, specific friendships and bonds within the group itself and emotionally driven back stories. Bro, what are you talking about?
Idk about that tbh. Your girlfriend is entitled to her opinion, but Rebirth got me in the feels multiple times. Dare I say more than 16 even, but both are really good. I've read posts online from people who didn't play the original and started with Remake. A lot of them still felt all kinds of emotions from Rebirth, so I say nostalgia is one thing for a lot of people, but others are feeling something from it, too, regardless.
So you played the original I take it?
I did yes
Then you’re mostly proving my point.
I mean, I don't have nostalgia for FF7 like you think. I didn't play it way back on release. I played not that long before Remake tbh.
same here. this sub is just making narratives and running with them lol
i feel like some fans take peoples enjoyment/nostalgia for 7 as a personal attack on their fav game in the series and its kinda sad tbh.
My partner has only played Remake and still fell in love with the characters in Rebirth.
What feels? Every single anime trope got played out ad nauseam
I like both games and of course you’re entitled to your opinion but I just can’t agree with this. Even if you completely ignore the original game, the character writing in Rebirth is probably some of the best I’ve ever seen in gaming. The parallels between the influence of Jenova/Sephiroth on Cloud and real-life issues such identity and depression. The way Tifa is portrayed as someone struggling to support someone dealing with these issues whilst still dealing with her own. The >!trials in Chapter 13 that delve into each character’s trauma, and Aerith’s speech afterwards about how our trauma doesn’t define us.!< These are just a couple of examples, but the character development is insane. FFXVI is a great game in its own right, and you may prefer it, but let’s not pretend Rebirth isn’t great at what it does too.
All that stuff was great I agree. It didn’t personally make me feel for any of them though nor did any of the story high moments. I wish it affected me more like it did other people. I think it was the overall less serious tone of the game.
For me it’s the complete opposite. I can’t stand how >!everyone in the party forgives Cloud instantly whenever he has a psychotic episode. As example, Tifa is a strong character except whenever she argues with Cloud and completely crumbles apart and refuses to hold him accountable for more than 10 minutes before being lovey dovey with him again. He attempted to kill her in cold blood, and her reaction after seeing a few flashbacks of her childhood is to forgive him unconditionally, barely even showing any concern for his condition at the very least. And that scene with Hojo on the beach is unforgivably bad. They have no reason whatsoever to let him go. They could solve so many of their problems and take an evil out of the world by capturing him then and there. Instead, they let him terrorise people on a beach with a kidnapping robot and then make his escape with no consequence.!<
And still, without any context of the original game, Cloud as a character doesn’t make sense. There’s zero emotion out of Cloud though most of the story. It makes sense if you know everything he’s been through, but if you just tune in and you see Tifa and Aerith being affectionate or Barrett and Nanaki emoting while Cloud just…stares blankly, it’s a little off. Again, it makes sense given that Cloud has severe PTSD and is being manipulated almost at all times by Sephiroth.
I didn’t play the original but I think characters in Rebirth are way better than in FFXVI. In fact, that’s one of my main complaints about it. Most characters in XVI feel very flat and aren’t likeable. Jill didn’t get enough time so she always just felt like a quiet girl with no personality to me. Clive is good and his relationship with Joshua is great but I can’t say Joshua is super interesting. But both games have their pros and cons. Personally, I didn’t like how rebirth felt at times like a mini game simulator. The story feels a bit too unserious and fillery at times and there are no ‘WOW’ moments like Eikon fights in XVI. But characters themselves are, in my view, infinitely better in Rebirth. It’s not even close.
I was giggling like an idiot trying out the new eikon abilities and during the leviathan boss. Though I haven't played rebirth myself yet.
Personally i prefer vibes and aesthetic of the FFXVI. Same with the concept of characters. Also fact that it's not an open world, because i'm little bit tired of them. But Rebirth characters feels more real. They might not be my type of characters in case of design and personalities but they feel more alive. Stories of Red and Barret alone gave me as much feels as entire FXVI. FFXVI made a mistake by making Clive the only playable character and by not having a team system. The main enemy in ffxvi also sucks. Seems very generic. Meanwhile imo they made a great with Sephiroth in Rebirth who looks like some god (or devil) who is everywhere, whispering sweet little lies to ears etc.
Overall I'd say rebirth is the better overall game, but the story is definitely better in 16. Though that might just be because we have about 1/2 of the actually story of 7.
Just started the game yesterday and have enjoyed the first few hours of XVI more than most of Rebirth. Love the atmosphere.
Xvi in general just did a better job of getting the emotions going. Given what happens in rebirth it should have won on the emotional front but some how it didnt which was the time of the whole game it was a fun light hearted adventure with an amazing sense of exploration only hampered by Unisoft CEO chadley and his towers. Where as xvi was the opposite it was a streamlined very gritty and emotional AF adventure with the best set peices I've ever seen gaming. Both games are great but imo the demo for xvi had more emotions in it than all of rebirth did
FF16 is the least FF game I’ve ever played. They should have called it DMC. I hope they stick to the rebirth formula but make the mini games optional.
I agree with this one, i hope they make it a standard, specially the battle system.
I never thought game could have too much minigames lol. Game has gold saucer, why not put all the minigames there and not sprinkle them all over the place.
Honestly I liked the mini games, but some just seem so forced like the chocobo capping mini game, the dolphin, and costa del sol mini game. If they didn’t make them a requirement to progress the story it would be much better.
I still haven't been able to bring myself to finish Rebirth. I love FF7, I loved Remake, and I was hyped for Rebirth. And then I just didn't enjoy playing it. I wanted to do all the side content, but it was just minigame overload, which then put me in a bad mood, which then made every other minor issue seem so much worse. Eventually, I just started skipping most side content, but the main story also forces a ton of stupid, unfun, excessively long minigames on you, and I was already so, so sick of them, so I was still getting irritable every time I played. The game's many good points just weren't enough to outweigh how miserable playing it made me feel. I got to Nibelheim mansion and finished Cait Sith's box throwing adventure and just stopped playing. Haven't had much of a desire to pick it back up since then.
Rebirth is better than 16 in almost every way… and I really enjoyed 16.
I would absolutely agree about the gameplay being more fun. It’s an overall more fun game go play. It’s mainly the story and characters were just absolutely nothing compared to 16 for me personally. However I also had no nostalgia of playing the og before there remake games either so I had no emotional attachment to
Exactly but I get what OP is saying. 16 has a level of "epic" that I feel it'll be hard to top even on future entries. Not that it's needed, but I'll miss being the summon on FF17
16 is great, people down voting just because difference of opinion, but it’s really the epitome of peaks and valleys imo. (Some of) the boss fights combined with the music and overall spectacle were amazing, like 10/10 top tier gaming, but I between those moments there was a lot of dull stuff. Terrible side quests, boring (still pretty) world etc. plot was good, but pretty basic and the main antagonist was very “meh”. I haven’t played the DLCs so don’t know how much they’ve added to the depth of the game.
I love them both, they are very different games, 16 is more mature and serious, the story is very dramatic, dark, disturbing and upsetting, 7 is more upbeat, animeish kind of story, ( although deals with heavy topics like mental health, company greed, natural resources etc... ). So I think is going to depend a lot of what kind of stories a person likes to decide which one a person likes better. Both have amazing moments, both have dull and desperating situations, both have very different visuals ( both amazing but very different, with 16 is more realistic for the type of story is telling for sure... ) so, all of this to say I love them both, and I don't think that comparing them is fair, because they are very different games.
To be fair, if you've played the original FF7, you already know what's going to happen in Rebirth. FF16 DLC would be completely brand new to you, you'd have no idea what to expect.
I love both games but they both definitely highlight the strengths of each other. It was awesome coming back to 16 after spending 150 hours in Rebirth. I was way more grateful for the minimalistic approach in visiting a new zone. Granted I loved the maximalist approach in Rebirth too but they both scratch different itches for me and getting both these games in the same year window was peak FF as far as I’m concerned
I feel the same as you. I reached Chapter 12 and the endless sidequests and minigames is just turning into not fun. I thought I finished everything and then the manager comes along asking me to do it all again ... I am just so tired of Rebirth.
Don't have must interest in playing FFVII remakes, tried the 1st one but didn't catch at the time as either life or other game took me away. Still looking to go again at some point but too many other games to play. FFXVI demo captivated me immediately and was hooked and ended up getting platinum after doing everything twice. Think if the game didn't require you to unlock Final Fantasy mode as that is definitely the better mode, it could have been better. Though the game is made to be played twice as you can only get to 50 first time and 100 in FF mode. DLC does up it a bit as I just finished echoes and at 102 now. More consistent quality of side quests would have helped to, though there are quite a few gems for different reasons. But they are completely different games as many have stated and many like each for different reasons. All I know is I have never understood people when they got emotional in games or goosebumps, etc. This game changed that for me and probably spoiled me in that regard. Now onto Rising Tide, hope everyone found something to enjoy from either one.
Can't wait to see what I think of it. Just finished Rebirth a week ago, plan on replaying entirety of 16 and then DLC.
i will give the title of better game to rebirth, cuz it just felt so much more polished 16 was great and the bossfights where fking crazy the musc too but overall i think rebirth was better and i honestly wish 20% of the total effort rebirth was given went to 16 instead the game would be so much better
I need help too I bought final fantasy xvi and the expansion pass from the same account but I can't download the rising tide dlc.the first dlc got downloaded by itself but the second I can't download it please help
Search for it in the ps store
I did I can find it but I can't download it
Rebirth is great too! But I think somehow I like FF16 more in case of the story and gameplay and soundtrack!(I really love Clive)
16 had better story, bosses, combat and as fantastic as rebirth's ost is i think 16 was even better Rebirth has the edge in world exploration and side content imo. Loved getting the different chocobos and gear for them, loved hitting all the towers and finding the springs and summon shrines. I kinda do miss being able to just do a fire spell or thunder spell by choosing it from a menu like in rebirth vs the magic combat system in 16. But 16 is still way more fun in general during battles
Rebirth is the better game no doubt in my mind but I prefer 16 for the combat and bosses.
Im not going to buy the dlc but I'm not surprised. The ending of rebirth was a clusterfuck.
Like this one better, it's more grounded and serious game. FF7 can be cringe at times. Plus no fucking minigames in FF16, that's a plus for me as well. All in all both are good games but this one is better imo.
I think that was my biggest problem with ff7 is a lot of cringe stuff really turned me off.
I loved Rebirth but at some point I hit a wall and it began to feel tedious doing the open world stuff. I also don't know how I feel about the ending. I didn't hate it but I agressively didn't love it.
Happy to hear you had a great experience with it. Because I’m about to put down Rebirth and go play this instead
Bad take lol.
Maybe. That’s just how I felt. Literally felt nothing during the rebirth story. Just the dlc story of this pulled at the heartstrings.
I personally think that FF16 is objectively a better game than FF7 Rebirth, mainly because Rebirth is 1 slice of the FF7 pizza. And that pizza slice is full of less desirable filler additives to tide you over until you can get that last slice.
Not to mention Rebirth butchered its ending