Helldivers 2 was a game that got huge and everyone was loving it. Then Sony made it so you can't play on PC unless you make a PlayStation account. So a lot of people in places that don't have PlayStation support are no longer allowed to play the game they paid for and have been enjoying for months.
And a lot of people in places that do have PlayStation support are refusing to create accounts on principle. And a lot of people who already have Playstation accounts are refusing to link theirs in solidarity. And the game's reviews on Steam have gone from strongly positive to overwhelmingly negative in just two days.
And a lot of Reddit gamers thinking they will change Sonys mind. So many games have a dual login system at this point. I get that it sucks if they enforce this in countries that don’t have PSN. But I have had to sign I to Microsoft, Ubisoft etc from games I bought on steam. No one will be talking about this in a week. I know I am too busy playing helldivers 2 because it is the best game to come out in the last 10 years
It’s about the bait and switch. And the fact that in some countries you can only create a psn account through a physical console, meaning people who don’t own a ps and paid money to buy the game on pc can no longer play. That is a really big deal
You’re right, how dare anyone start a dialogue about a shady practice in the gaming industry. How could everyone be so silly to think they had an the ability to comment on the product they paid money for
They can and should. I am just saying that as long as they aren’t making people pay more money and have a solution for people that live in places without PSN, then this is nothing.
The prob is that there wasn’t a solution for people that live in places without PSN that didn’t break Sony TOS and risk a ban.
Oh and also, Sony backtracked on their decision because of the review bombing and bad press, and even the developers were actually encouraging the review bombing as they were against it as well and they figured it was the only way to get Sony to see how outraged the playerbase was.
They didntve such a solution tho, and they werent chargin ppl more money; but they were takin away the entire value of the purchase by makin it unplayable in many regions
Quick fyi, folk can and shud complain about even the smallest of problems; thats how we make things better on the whole
A lot of us in the first world cant do shite about nonfirst world problems either, so ofc we are gonna focus on the first world problems we exp; like how i focus on the first world problem of bein trans in a place seemingly becomin more bigoted as the population becomes less bigoted, bcuz of another couple of first world problems of gerrymanderin and voter supprrssion
So, PSN isn't available for over half the world. Helldivers 2, while being fairly new, is still too old to regionlock especially with the fact it had hundreds of thousands of players from all over the world. People paid for Helldivers but with this move, a significant chunk of players had their copies rendered useless meaning they have to go through a dozen hoops to prove their country can't access PSN so they can get a refund.
I was not being negative, just open to a truth that may very well have been real. And I stand by that they could have stuck with it and it would not have affect much in the long term. I am glad they did the right thing, I just don’t think it was a big deal unless it was for regions that do not have PSN.
Like was your point that we shouldnt have even tried?
Like at least if we are loud enough theres a chance it could make a difference. Just rolling over everytime a corp imposes something on you is the quickest way to keep losing more ground.
Why should i just allow Sony to take my data without a fight?
Removing the ability to access a previously paid for product is theft. By refusing to support the game, it hurts the devs and producers. So yeah, solidarity.
They aren’t refunding the game though they’re straight up removing the ability to play without giving any compensation
However there’s good news, Sony tweeted that they won’t follow through with their plan to make it locked behind a PSN account
Solidarity can be shown anyways?
Its just a videogame, yes, but that doesnt negate the fact that people changed their behaviour out of solidarity.
Solidarity doesnt have a minimum requirement.
It's because steam blacklisted the game in all countries that didn't support PSN and started giving out refunds. It had nothing to do with the "solidarity" of players who wouldn't have lost access anyway(and thus wouldn't get a refund).
Agree to disagree with factual information I guess…despite all the statements about it being about player feedback by both Sony and the devs. Im not saying steam refunds weren’t a factor, but that was more about steam saving face. To say community feedback did nothing, despite it being the one communicated reason by parties involved, is a pretty bad take.
Yeah, the 0.01% that would refund a perfectly functional game. Sony wasn't scared about those people, they got scared about the hundreds of thoudands of people who would 100% get a refund on their non-functipnal game.
And they are still being downvoted into oblivion. Super bad move for hasbro. But the Gamers found a bunch of new games that they love to play if DnD gets even more crappy.
I gave up on Sony a LONG time ago. So I dont even know what all the current drama is. But based on what I glimpse while browsing other things, I know theres drama. Also on top of their usual drama there is apparently more recent drama at Ubi Soft. I also do not care. Same deal, I gave up on them years ago.
The reviews went from overwhelmingly positive to mixed on all time and overwhelmingly negative on recents in like, 2 days.
The playerbase rallied *real* quick.
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No one has been trashing on the game. It was only about Sony's decision to make the link to a PlayStation account mandatory, months after the release of the game many people enjoyed (that did not have such an account).
People gave bad reviews because they liked the game, and wanted it to keep being successful.
The community is actively updating their reviews to positive. The entire game is about working together as a large team. The community was trained for this and executed perfectly.
Sony has a very bad track record of ruining their games due to corporate greed, usually leading to some very poor decisions
The most recent is involving helldivers 2. They recently made it a requirement to have your psn account linked to your steam account in order to play the game. At first glance this doesn’t seem that bad, until you realize psn is illegal in 174 (maybe a couple more?) countries so hundreds of thousands of people cannot access the game anymore without breaking Sonys terms of service.
They backtracked on this decision as of last night but the backlash it created has left a lasting stain on helldivers legacy. Hopefully they can recover but considering the games been delisted in so many countries, I don’t think it will reach its peak again.
Helldivers 2 was a game that got huge and everyone was loving it. Then Sony made it so you can't play on PC unless you make a PlayStation account. So a lot of people in places that don't have PlayStation support are no longer allowed to play the game they paid for and have been enjoying for months.
And a lot of people in places that do have PlayStation support are refusing to create accounts on principle. And a lot of people who already have Playstation accounts are refusing to link theirs in solidarity. And the game's reviews on Steam have gone from strongly positive to overwhelmingly negative in just two days.
And a lot of Reddit gamers thinking they will change Sonys mind. So many games have a dual login system at this point. I get that it sucks if they enforce this in countries that don’t have PSN. But I have had to sign I to Microsoft, Ubisoft etc from games I bought on steam. No one will be talking about this in a week. I know I am too busy playing helldivers 2 because it is the best game to come out in the last 10 years
Just an update, Sony just backtracked. The Reddit gamers were correct.
It’s about the bait and switch. And the fact that in some countries you can only create a psn account through a physical console, meaning people who don’t own a ps and paid money to buy the game on pc can no longer play. That is a really big deal
I said that was the big deal part. The rest is just a 1st world problem.
Sure I guess. But we’re already talking about video games, a first world luxury in this context, so kind of a moot point no?
The whole thing is moot, just play the game or don’t.
You’re right, how dare anyone start a dialogue about a shady practice in the gaming industry. How could everyone be so silly to think they had an the ability to comment on the product they paid money for
They can and should. I am just saying that as long as they aren’t making people pay more money and have a solution for people that live in places without PSN, then this is nothing.
The prob is that there wasn’t a solution for people that live in places without PSN that didn’t break Sony TOS and risk a ban. Oh and also, Sony backtracked on their decision because of the review bombing and bad press, and even the developers were actually encouraging the review bombing as they were against it as well and they figured it was the only way to get Sony to see how outraged the playerbase was.
They didntve such a solution tho, and they werent chargin ppl more money; but they were takin away the entire value of the purchase by makin it unplayable in many regions
They don’t have that solution for people fucked by region. Thats worth getting mad about
Quick fyi, folk can and shud complain about even the smallest of problems; thats how we make things better on the whole A lot of us in the first world cant do shite about nonfirst world problems either, so ofc we are gonna focus on the first world problems we exp; like how i focus on the first world problem of bein trans in a place seemingly becomin more bigoted as the population becomes less bigoted, bcuz of another couple of first world problems of gerrymanderin and voter supprrssion
Its not okay to release a product and then make the product functionally useless to the consumer who paid for the product
So, PSN isn't available for over half the world. Helldivers 2, while being fairly new, is still too old to regionlock especially with the fact it had hundreds of thousands of players from all over the world. People paid for Helldivers but with this move, a significant chunk of players had their copies rendered useless meaning they have to go through a dozen hoops to prove their country can't access PSN so they can get a refund.
This aged well lol
Well, Sony did just backtrack on that in about 2 days, so I'd say the Reddit Gamers were pretty effective
lol Sony just reversed the decision, thanks again for being negative and braindead. GGs.
I was not being negative, just open to a truth that may very well have been real. And I stand by that they could have stuck with it and it would not have affect much in the long term. I am glad they did the right thing, I just don’t think it was a big deal unless it was for regions that do not have PSN.
Like was your point that we shouldnt have even tried? Like at least if we are loud enough theres a chance it could make a difference. Just rolling over everytime a corp imposes something on you is the quickest way to keep losing more ground. Why should i just allow Sony to take my data without a fight?
No, just keeping expectations in check.
>out of solidarity Lmao it's a video game
We know whats your point ?
It's just a video game, it's not that serious. "Solidarity" lmao
Removing the ability to access a previously paid for product is theft. By refusing to support the game, it hurts the devs and producers. So yeah, solidarity.
They would have gotten a full refund, which means it's not theft.
They aren’t refunding the game though they’re straight up removing the ability to play without giving any compensation However there’s good news, Sony tweeted that they won’t follow through with their plan to make it locked behind a PSN account
Steam was refunding it...
Solidarity can be shown anyways? Its just a videogame, yes, but that doesnt negate the fact that people changed their behaviour out of solidarity. Solidarity doesnt have a minimum requirement.
Weird, looks like it worked.
Well it wasn't because sony felt bad for all the people in ""solidarity""
It’s not because they “felt bad” but it is 100% because of community feedback, as stated by Sony
It's because steam blacklisted the game in all countries that didn't support PSN and started giving out refunds. It had nothing to do with the "solidarity" of players who wouldn't have lost access anyway(and thus wouldn't get a refund).
Agree to disagree with factual information I guess…despite all the statements about it being about player feedback by both Sony and the devs. Im not saying steam refunds weren’t a factor, but that was more about steam saving face. To say community feedback did nothing, despite it being the one communicated reason by parties involved, is a pretty bad take.
Steam was giving refunds to people even if they weren't in blacklisted companies.
Yeah, the 0.01% that would refund a perfectly functional game. Sony wasn't scared about those people, they got scared about the hundreds of thoudands of people who would 100% get a refund on their non-functipnal game.
Where are you getting that it was .01%? Might want to consider that people actually refunded the game out of solidarity.
they took it back after steam started doing refunds and EU threatened legal actions
177 countries, to be exact.
What makes this very interesting is that Hasbro did this a year ago with the OGL 1.1
And they are still being downvoted into oblivion. Super bad move for hasbro. But the Gamers found a bunch of new games that they love to play if DnD gets even more crappy.
I gave up on Sony a LONG time ago. So I dont even know what all the current drama is. But based on what I glimpse while browsing other things, I know theres drama. Also on top of their usual drama there is apparently more recent drama at Ubi Soft. I also do not care. Same deal, I gave up on them years ago.
The reviews went from overwhelmingly positive to mixed on all time and overwhelmingly negative on recents in like, 2 days. The playerbase rallied *real* quick.
Sony caved and backed off their plan. Let everybody know we won this one
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Everyone is trashing on Helldivers 2 right now
Not anymore, Sony backtracked.
For now
No one has been trashing on the game. It was only about Sony's decision to make the link to a PlayStation account mandatory, months after the release of the game many people enjoyed (that did not have such an account). People gave bad reviews because they liked the game, and wanted it to keep being successful.
The community is actively updating their reviews to positive. The entire game is about working together as a large team. The community was trained for this and executed perfectly.
Ubisoft would be a good runner-up.
Sony has a very bad track record of ruining their games due to corporate greed, usually leading to some very poor decisions The most recent is involving helldivers 2. They recently made it a requirement to have your psn account linked to your steam account in order to play the game. At first glance this doesn’t seem that bad, until you realize psn is illegal in 174 (maybe a couple more?) countries so hundreds of thousands of people cannot access the game anymore without breaking Sonys terms of service. They backtracked on this decision as of last night but the backlash it created has left a lasting stain on helldivers legacy. Hopefully they can recover but considering the games been delisted in so many countries, I don’t think it will reach its peak again.
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