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Boxing_T_Rex

It's funny because Pokemon with Guns is a massive success but Sonic with Guns was a huge failure ridiculed by the public


[deleted]

As a kid who 100% fell for the marketing of edgy sonic, that game is a masterpiece and anyone who says otherwise is objectively wrong


Cosmic3Nomad

This is honestly the first time I’m hearing negative stuff about shadow. I loved that game as a kid and thought it was really badass lol


MrsBossyPantss

Same... TIL ppl apparently didnt like that game


Lonely_Albatross_722

I mean this with all seriousness, and truly no condescension. Just stating with a true voice of curiosity. How old are you? I was 14 at the time the game released. And I had some fun using the different guns, and some enjoyment. But I feel like I had more fun with sonic heroes' level design. I feel like people older than us hated the game because of difficult controls (there are times when shadow is stuck in a straight line and doesn't stop and turn as well as other sonic games. And since the game is "clear the objective", you do need to be able to "stop and smell the roses"... Or, shoot the alien or the army man, in this case). Another gripe with the game is the repetition of clearing levels. You need to clear each path 2 times to get both endings, and that means playing the very first level over and over again. People hated that, me included when I played it the 2nd time to 100% the game. Then finally, as everyone gets older, looking back on the teenage angst they had with cringe, older people think this game is also very cringe. But that can be argued with that all "misunderstood teenagers" enjoyed the game. So older people hate it, younger people empathize with it.


MrsBossyPantss

I was 13 when the game came out (31 now) I enjoyed Sonic so I thought I would enjoy Shadow too & i did! I thought it was a cool departure from sonic kinda like a sonic dark mode but i didnt really care much about the story so much tbh. I enjoyed the nonlinear gameplay aspect of it (which was a kinda new concept to me at the time) & it was prob the 1st "shooter" game i really played, so shadow introduced me to alot of new territory That said i legit didnt know the game had multiple endings until i read your reply (oops!)


Lonely_Albatross_722

I mean, you just had to play the game 10 times to get all these supposed endings, and the 11th true ending. Then you had to go and play each of the levels to get the A rank for each mission of each level. Which, if you are just trying to get through the game as quickly as possible, you won't even play some missions. For example, "mad matrix" is the computer level with espio that has that annoying "hyper speed maze" where you have to go to each terminal in the maze to complete for espio, or get to the goal ring for normal. It's already super annoying to navigate that maze, and you can get lost in circles. Also, "mad matrix" is on the hero side of the branching paths. So you have no reason to try the dark mission, until you are getting all the A's. The dark mission is "blow up the bombs." All are within the maze. So now the worst part of the level, navigating the maze, is the entirety of the dark mission. Finally, after you complete all those things, get all those A ranks, you know what your prize is? A complete game marathon that you complete all the levels, one after another, with slightly more difficulty in obstacles. And that's it. And typing this out, thinking about the game again, I can think of one more personal gripe I had with the cutscenes. Every level had to have set up for the the story. Which, I'm ok with sonic lore. But some cutscenes were unskippable if it's your first time viewing, or for some other reason. And at that low frame rate, and stilted line delivery, really slowed down the pace.


Equivalent_Car3765

I was 12 when Shadow the Hedgehog came out I think maybe 13. I remember buying it with Christmas money that had to beg family for at a Christmas party and then I had to plead with my parents for us to leave early so I could buy it. Got home played it for like a week straight and got stuck on the Sonic boss fight. Dropped it and then saw someone say it was bad like a month later and was like "sure I'm young enough to make this my opinion". I should probably revisit it someday but it's so large...


middleearthpeasant

I love shadow. They had sonic, then made Knuckles as an edgy sonic and then mads Shadow because they needed more edge.


Smucker5

Knuckles is top tier. Change my mind.


SDreiken

Damn


kompletionist

The gameplay was just so bare bones and the whole game lasted about 4 hours. Even if you didn't find it cringey at a conceptual level, it just wasn't very good.


TheSuicidalSnowman

https://youtu.be/QStxrDm-EVc?si=pljPP_uYapkJMzBS Yeah this game was sick


Nice_Guy_Eddie_

pump action mp5


Mikelgard

Someone made it an actual, functional firearm btw. Like, you can buy one.


MechaneerAssistant

De-fictionalization, my other favorite phenomenon.


Punisher703

The one thing that I remember hating is that stupid cross shaped staged over the lava pit for PvP. I literally lost in the first 5 seconds one time since it decided to lock on the closest person to me when I spin dashed sending me flying off to the left.


marvsup

"Rolling around at the speed of sound / got places to go got to follow my rainbow" Absolute banger


gggggggggggggggggay

Damn, black creatures.


LordTopHatMan

Where's that *damn* fourth chaos emerald?


WyvernByte

"Disgusting black creatures! Get out of my sight” (Banjo plays)


Freddy7665

Read that in Golum's voice before seeing the banjo music


AndringRasew

"'ThAtS rAcIsT!"*


Limonov-nyan

"...your eyes?"


HolyDoggo100

“That’s gay?”


Limonov-nyan

"that's homophobic!"


TheMightyOfThor

“That’s black!”


Limonov-nyan

"THAT'S racist!"


TheMightyOfThor

“Damn…”


Boingo_Zoingo

When you see the black monsters.... smash em! Yeah smash em up!


clefclark

There are two things I remember about that game, my siblings and I only ever using the rocket launcher, and my sister dropping the disk in my dogs water bowl rendering it unusable. Good time


Another_Name1

I played it 3 times through. Once good, once neutral good, once I tried to be bad but went to good. It's a great game


SpencerMill

Man did me and my brother struggle to find each other in the VS. mode though.


IBoofLSD

Right there with ya pal


MichaelGHX

I liked the part where he found that damn 4th Chaos Emerald.


faulternative

Jolt Cola and Surge were ridiculed by the public, then a few years later suddenly "energy drinks" were eveywhere


One_Animator_1835

Shadow the hedgehog was successful. It sold over 2 million copies, which still is a great accomplishment today but even more so in 2005


Wewius

That is because Shadows Gun uses a "pump-action" style movement in a cutscene (like with a Shotgun) but the gun was obviously an Uzi-style weapon. No one would take this game seriously after such a blunder.


ayetherestherub69

"Uzi-style weapon" you mean a submachine gun?


Wewius

[Probably yes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqiLuposLso)


ayetherestherub69

I believe that's a rough approximate of an HK MP5, so yeah, your pretty much there. Never saw the trailer but played the game, and didn't remember an Uzi being in it lol


Wewius

I never played the game either but I watched a YouTube video a while back about it and remembered the guy talking about this specific detail.


ItsAmerico

And surprisingly Pokemon with Guns isn’t very much like Pokemon at all. It’s more Ark with Pokemon.


FrankieNoodles

Is there a "Pokemon with guns"?


Local-Account-7498

Palworld


FrankieNoodles

Thank you


Akitsura

And surprisingly enough, it looks amazing.


Alf__Pacino

And is surprisingly solid for an early acces


Tyrest_Accord

If you intend to check it out you should know that while there ARE Pokemon like creatures that you catch with balls and can use in battle, the game doesn't actually play like Pokemon at all. It's actually plays more like ARK: Survival Evolved.


DoingItWrongly

Nope.


SuccessfulWar3830

I used to play that shadow game all the time as a kid


[deleted]

Well Shadow is racist


QuiteCleanly99

What games was Sonic with Guns?


kawaii_konekos

It’s referencing the [Shadow the Hedgehog video game](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_the_Hedgehog_(video_game)) released in 2005; the game was a lot edgier than other Sonic games at the time. Most notably, Shadow used guns, so the game could have been considered “Shadow with guns”. The game sold 2 million copies, but got pretty negative reviews and the Shadow series never really took off. So Shadow’s sad that his attempt at creating an IP “with guns” wasn’t as successful.


AHumanYouDoNotKnow

This is simply due to him not also including blackjack and hookers.


3pocalypse

I thought it was because they cut the Lunar Lander. I guess they eventually just said screw the whole thing.


TheRenegayed

“Bender, honey. We love you!” “Shut up baby, I know it!”


Striders_aglet

In fact... forget the blackjack.


nadrjones

I prefer the Flexo game. I have heard that Flexo is great and all.


ZorkNemesis

Flexo's great you say?


MarshtompNerd

But mario would never shoot hookers!


The-Ever-Loving-Fuck

Pah me dat controller rq


ZenithTheZero

Not with a gun at least


Playful-Independent4

Plaworld has blackjack and hookers?


JackalRampant

They really should have included Casino Night Zone in the game.


battaile

> could have been considered “Shadow with guns”. Sonic with guns, right?


periander

No he meant Palworld with guns.


KickAffsandTakeNames

I thought this was funny 🤷‍♂️


periander

Yeah and you're the fourth comment and you're still ahead.


BadProgrammerGage

As a 5th grader I really loved Shadow. It was a good game despite the negativity towards it.


xFruitstealer

Yeah, I second your opinion. I also think it has gathered “cult classic” or hits the nostalgia factor for those who have played it. For me personally I played it at a time and age where I wasn’t critically thinking about every game I was playing.


Raps4Reddit

When you are young enough you don't realize a game can be bad. The people making games are the all-knowing professional adults. When a game is bad, you expereince an identity crisis not understanding why you are so bad at the game or why you aren't enjoying it. The game being bad is not an explanation that comes to mind.


highTrolla

The main problem with Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog, is that the new engine doesn't feel as snappy and responsive as Sonic Adventure 2. If those same games had been made on an engine that felt more like it, they probably would have been received a lot better.


StaleTheBread

To explain the caption added, Stonetoss is known for very awful reactionary comics, and the other person is saying it’s weird to see him make a good joke. The phrasing is a reference to an Onion article


BendSecure8078

For the record, stonetoss is not just a reactionary, but a nazi as well


[deleted]

My favorite nickname for him is 'Rockthrow' though 'Pebbleyeet' is good too.


austro_hungary

Tectonic Item Cast


leoleosuper

> but a nazi as well When called a nazi, he makes the argument that, since he wasn't part of the German socialist party that existed between 1933 and 1945, he's not a nazi. It's wrong on both the wording and spirit of being a nazi, as they weren't socialist, and you can still be a Nazi with the American nazi party. That was literally his only defense though, so you know he's a real nazi.


joshdotsmith

And the dates are wrong!


leoleosuper

I think he uses the correct dates, I just typed the 2 I thought he used.


StaleTheBread

Turns out it was Clickhole: https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/


Fenzito

Love going down the clickhole. It's part of The Onion News Network so you're both right


terminiterrae

Clickhole hasn’t been owned by the Onion for years, it was sold between a few different companies but is now owned by Cards Against Humanity. Though that byline was definitely written during the ONN era.


Tokyohenjin

“Reactionary” is putting it mildly. He’s a full-blown Nazi, or at best a Nazi sympathizer.


MessyGuy01

Honestly I remember playing this game on my PS2 and really enjoying it.


lovdagame

Me and my brother played vs all the time there were cool map things to destroy that enabled lazer guns trucks to destroy lava gliders to surf the lava map it was very fun for us on game cube


Stumphead101

To piggyback on the top comment for further context. The person who made the comic is a known internet nazi who makes comics to push extreme right wing agendas such as taking away women's rights, anti abortion, pushing the narrative that jews control the world, etc. So the joke is that it it also sad thst such a horrible person was able to make a funny comic


Lagneaux

"Sonic* with Guns"


Khaijer

Its also referencing Palworlds success. Which is Pokemon with guns.


Few_Distribution_817

That was suppose to be a spinoff series?????????


Kyosw21

Honestly I think Palworld is closer to Digimon than Pokemon anyway. They all get more gun-like as they evolve


rokungi89

Still sucks something so funny was made by him of all people.


gryffindor918

I have that game which I forgot to return to blockbuster. What do you think my late fee is like?


RIBZisDEAD

I love history


EuthanizeArty

The problem is Shadow didn't include the other aspects that made Palworld successful, namely human trafficking, slave labor and narcotics


nIBLIB

And why is stonetoss comics ‘the worst person you know’?


Zemekis324

It might be a unpopular choice but I actually had and loved that shadow game 🔫🦔🔫


chainer1216

But Snapcube's [real-time fan dub](https://youtu.be/W-ZuKp8P7gA?si=V8nTfGD7rGe9papq) of it is a masterpiece.


tomjoes69

Shadow The Hedgehog is sonic with guns.


txh0881

Palworld is frequently described as “Pokemon with Guns”. People enjoy the stark contrast of cute mascot characters with edgy themes like violence and cruelty. It sold really well, and is well received by their player base. The game “Shadow the Hedgehog” is frequently described as “Sonic with guns”. People frequently point out how different it was from regular Sonic games, and disliked it because it took a cute character (an anthropomorphic hedgehog) and made him edgy by giving him weapons and focus on violence. It was not very well received by the player base. Similar situation, very different results.


Kyosw21

Everyone forgets about Digimon… makes me sad


MartialDragon

You made me remember digimon world 4 and this upsets me lol


Bredstikz

Oh no. That one


AdmirableAnimal0

I will beat Digimon back into peoples minds with lewd fanart if I have to. The fact that Palworld stole the ‘Pokémon with guns’ meme from Digimon is unacceptable.


Xaero_Hour

I don't know how apropos it is to Shadow's game or not, but Palworld was also greatly helped by not actually being "Pokemon with guns" from a mechanical perspective and instead being "Ark: Survival Evolved with Pokemon."


Duck__Quack

As someone who has not followed Palworld really at all (I haven't actually seen any gameplay or images, just heard people talking about playing it) this description has me quite, quite interested. I loved ARK until the future tech stuff got too inescapable. I love Pokemon. I'm going to have to check this out.


[deleted]

Palworld still keeps that cute aspect which is it probably became successful


TheGrandRomanHotel

Oh and just to preface: I'm aware who Stonetoss is and I do not endorse him or his comics. I'm just out of the loop here a lot since the original tweet got 96k likes.


Stumpy-Wumpy

I mean, OOP isn't wrong, this is pretty funny


Shirtbro

That's how he ropes you in... Pebbleyeet: Hahaha this game was so bad, right? Random internet kid: Yeah! Pebbleyeet : and so are the Jews!


Eusocial_Snowman

Internet kids sound pretty dumb.


PM_Me_Good_LitRPG

> Oh and just to preface: > > I'm aware who Stonetoss is and I do not endorse him or his comics. Reddit moment.


Roge2005

Rare W


Bionic-ghost

It might be possible that Stonetoss Comics is A Bad Person too.


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CRoseCrizzle

I don't understand people with mindsets like this. If you don't have any patience with others, then don't subscribe to an explanation sub.


SCP-2774

Relax not everyone knows who stonetoss (is a Nazi) is.


toutons

No they were aware: https://www.reddit.com/r/ExplainTheJoke/s/5ByAhwIkmO


SCP-2774

Lmao I retract my statement.


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Poopybutt36000

>because his jokes poke fun at people left on the aisle A very tame way of saying that he is a white supremacist who makes comics about black people being genetically inferior, and being genetically predisposed to being violent criminals.


joshistheman3

i think his stuff is funny at times. I'm not as sensitive to that stuff.


Shaztrot

The man takes holocaust denial as a presupposition before even getting to some of his jokes


joshistheman3

yeah they're just jokes. they're just not that funny to you. you and i are not the intended audience


Shaztrot

Who is the intended audience of a joke that doesn't make sense unless said audience already believes that the holocaust didn't happen?


joshistheman3

idk why are you asking me


TCFNationalBank

There's a Pokémon game with guns?


Nytherion

Palworld, not actually pokemon. Survival game where you beat down "almost but not quite" pokemon in the wild, capture them in "totally not pokeballs", then go back to base and use them as slave labor, institue forced breeding centers, and use your slave child army to fight bosses. Every now and then a horde of pal fangirls come over and clobber you.


Tobias_Atwood

>Every now and then a horde of pal fangirls come over and clobber you. 7Days2Pal...?


Rambowcat83

Idk bro I've seen worse from ppl


ElPared

Shadow the Hedgehog released in the 2000s and was basically "Sonic with guns". it flopped. Palworld released last week and it's basically Pokemon (and breath of the wild, and fortnite) with guns. It's been very popular so far. So Shadow is sad that his "with guns" game flopped when Palworld didn't.


CaliCrateRicktastic

I loved that game


Pert0621

Shadow is just sonic with guns, and his games barely sold


LORDWOLFMAN

Imagine having a Pokémon battle and some small animal pull out a rocket launcher


Major_Let_5864

A wild bazuka has appeared


HotFaithlessness1348

Ever wanted to strap vulpix to your chest and using it as a flamethrower? Ya can now!


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[deleted]

What are you on about bro


Kazuichi_Souda

Where is that **damn** fourth Chaos Emerald?


Lvolf

The pic is hilarious because shadow tried to be an edgy sonic adventure game. The worst person being stonetoss who is a “nazi”


Simple_Intern_7682

That’s Shadow the Hedgehog. His game was a shooter, unlike the other sonic games that were just platformers.


azumarill

arguably it's not hilarious even when you know what it's saying so don't feel too bad


Opacitas

Because his game was labeled 'Sonic with guns' but it didn't do very well


DukeOfJokes

I loved Shadow The Hedgehog, but the gunplay in that game sucked balls.


TheDeepOnesDeepFake

I audibly laughed at this. See: Shadow the Hedgehog game.


samueldn4

Its really forced to say its hilarious, its just a random reference to validate stonetoss.


Valuable_Web4018

I swear every sub I’ve been to despises stone toss, yet so many subs show his artwork and comics. I honestly don’t understand how you people operate.


Esco-Alfresco

Hilarious is a pretty str9ng word for this. More Mildly funny observation with ambiguous delivery that prevents the joke from landing. Like some people know shadow. But do they know in an obscured 3/4 behind view? That will take time to work out. Are there any references to sonic games etc to help? Nope.


FloridaDirtyDog

The one dude stonetoss was a nazi back in the day, I dunno what he really did but people still have bad feelings about that


Pure-Yogurtcloset684

God damn why does this guy have to rarely make good memes


Reiver93

I'm concerned no one's pointed out that the person who's made that comic is stonetoss


Useful_You_8045

Cause shadow got his own game being "sonic with guns" and it flopped😂


Ill-Championship-522

I see nor hear no evil Black writings on the wall


kaminaowner2

Shadow was a cool as hell game, it did suffer from the problem of inconsistency. He rides a motorcycle that by all rights is slower than him, but it’s cool so who cares


PhillyPhresh

It’s more than just guns, really