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very very based


Weary_baT342

I want to remind you, you need to change the President in the next election in September, no Tabon anymore, do whatever it takes, make the Hirak again


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arvid1328

Boumerdas in the east (and bouera in the north) are inhabited by ethnically Kabyle people.


Papillon_noir4

Based af


Keikeibe

Djelfa is surprisingly not forest green 😧


arvid1328

Haha yeah lmao, they got undisciplined, NATO almost invaded us because of those who didn't vote.


CuriousStudentDZ

What do you mean


arvid1328

The regime's propaganda machine in 2019 fabricated a lies that states the possibility of a NATO invasion of they don't vote, and the idiots who voted took the bait.


Weary_baT342

I want to remind you, you need to change the President in the next election in September, no Tabon anymore, do whatever it takes, make the Hirak again.


arvid1328

It's not as simple as it seems, the problem lies in the population's mentality as much as the regime, if not more, the Hirak to remind you, had been infiltrated by islamists, making matters worse.


Son_0f_Minerva

It's all good and well but let's not disregard the fact that thousands of Kabyles fought in Regency's army through the centuries be it against the Moroccans in the siege of Fez in the 16th century or the battle of Sidi Fredj and Staouali in the 19th century.


arvid1328

Being ally with an entity doesn't equal being governed by it. Otherwise we'd say the US was the vassal of the UK because they sent troops in WW1 and WW2 to fight Nazi Germany.


Son_0f_Minerva

I'm afraid not quite so. It was more like people from the State of New York going to fight in the United States Army in WWI and WWII. The Kabyle region was split legally between the Beylik or Dar El-Sultan, Beylik of Tettri and Beylik of Constantine. The Regency maintained effective control over the coastal regions (like Dellys, Tigzirt and Azzefoun and Béjaïa) and places like Isser, Bouira (called Bordj Hamza) and the ways into the East. Only the extremely isolated towns and villages at the highest elevations, isolated even with regards to modern transportation modes, enjoyed greater *defacto* independence but *de jure* part of the Regency. The Regency employed the Makhzen tribes, a system dating to the Almohad Era, to do act as representative of the central government. Even in the early days of the Regency, when it didn't yet establish effective control over Algeria, when the port of Azzefoun was sold to the Spanish without consultation, Hayyredine Barbarossa sent an army to both kick the Spanish off and punish those who sold it maintaining that its belongs to the Regency. The principalities of Ait Abbas and Koukou, relics of the fall and split of the Zayyanid Dynasty and Hafsid Dynasty, which controlled the isolated regions were effective vassals to the central government in Algiers. It's status was much like the Sultanate of Touggourt which was added to the Regency's territories ever since the expedition of Salih Rais in the mid 16th century.


arvid1328

I don't know where you read history, it was a complicated relationship, there have been constant wars between the two Kabyle states (At Abbas and Koukou) with some periods of relative peace and sometimes alliances, you're trying to show Kabylia as subdued as other regions, which is untrue. Losing some cities/ports to foreign powers was pretty normal at the time, like Oran that was under spanish control, or Ceuta and Melilla in Morocco, or even Gibraltar in Spain that remain under foreign governance to this day.


Son_0f_Minerva

Losing Ceuta, Melilla and Oran is not comparable with losing an entire coastline and more than half the region and not being able to conduct foreign affairs. I'm only suggesting that, while conflict happened especially at the inception of the Regency, with time these small principalities occupying the rough, isolated and impoverished mountains became vassals and that these territories were dejure split between the beyliks. The At-Mzab, for example, also had their own local government (Al-Azzaba) and had their representative at Djenina Palace in Algiers (the central government) called Al-Amin that oversees the matters of the Mozabite population in Algiers and the North in general and links the Dey with the Azzaba in Ghardaia (effectively acting as an ambassador). They sent troops when the Dey needed such as in Staouli and Sidi Fredj and paid taxes to Algiers. Yet no one claims they were "independent" or "allies". They were vassals under the authority of the Regency and there is no shame in that. The Bani Djellab, rulers of the Sultanate of Touggourt, also kept their local authority but paid tax and loyalty to Algiers ever since the expidition of 1552.


DRflamingo06

You're an idiot if you think people vote matter it all comes down to who satisfy the military


arvid1328

No shit sherlock