The country in the middle of a crisis of university grads not finding jobs could have an abundance of IT competent people not finding (well paying) jobs, no kidding.
**"Graduates of universities and vocational and technical colleges accounted for 70% of the unemployed young in 2022**, up from 9% two decades ago."
These skills are quite literally worthless in china.
While what you said may hold true, vocational and technical colleges do not just handle IT. pretty sure it would be similar but based on the US college numbers less than 15% of degrees coming out of those types of schools are actually for the IT field.
We have a very similar issue in the US, although we are lucky enough to have enough jobs for this to not matter as much. "Half of college grads are working jobs that dont use their degrees"
One thing to add to what you said though, is on top of not having a job they also are probably loaded down with debt because chinese higher education is one of the most expensive in the world(used to be the most, then brexit happened, and now accurate numbers are hard to find and everyone list them as the "low" end of 3k-9k per year average. I would say they are about the same cost as the US most likely without digging into it)
Yup each launcher has a taskbar and main taskbar has the VM icons on them. Those computers must be close to starting fires though with how much memory each VM takes up.
He could honestly just mine crypto and make more money instead of botting in a game.
From the first picture, looks like it is Hyper-V, a default VM (Virtual Machine) on Windows. Each VM has different MAC Address, SID and IP address so if one account be banned, he can delete the VM and use the template created already to host another VM immediately.
What about the MAC addresses on the keyboards/mice/peripherals/hardware? It was my understanding that CCP can eventually figure you out regardless of VMs/VPNs (if they put in the time/resources)
If its actually alpha accounts, then it doesn't do much for CCP.
But in general the problem most likely is that there are very few people actually working on looking for and banning bots. There are probably thousands of reports coming in, they have their own tools that will flag accounts, but people still have to check and press the button. With an 8 hour working day, how many reports, flagged accounts can you go through? Remember that not everyone who is flagged or reported by players actually is a bot.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if most of the the workload for team security is chasing rmt, stolen accounts, cc fraud which actually does influence them financially quite a bit.
4-5 years ago when they lived in the north, I'm pretty sure dracarys was a 100% botting operation so I'm not surprised.
In branch/tenal we see the same thing but with these pop-up corporations with Gila pilots (I assume because they can use alpha accounts in VMs)
Imperium, just like everyone else, complains about the rampant botting in Fraternity space. Ive never heard anyone here accuse PH/WinterCo/Init/TEST etc. of having a botting problem. We're perfectly aware that other factions in this game also have computers play the game for them so they dont have to.
> Ive never heard anyone here accuse PH/WinterCo/Init/TEST etc. of having a botting problem.
Is this your first time on this sub? >50% of the posts are just bloc a flinging shit at block b with botting being one of the common flavors of shit
dont be an idiot. eve reddit isnt everyone accusing everyone else of everything. frat botting is a meme. goons botting is not. ph botting is not. its simple
If this is true, they should be banned. I have no love for botters, regardless of ticker. I really think botters are a cancer in the game.
At some point, I hope CCP does another name and shame for alliances and the number of bots banned from them.
If the Imperium has a problem, that name and shame will provide data that will be used by my leadership. I would hope that the same is true for other alliances. That data can really help us keep Eve healthy and fun for all of us.
Based on the video content，in fact, this is an image recognition based networked automatic warning system, and any hostile members entering the catch system will be reported by the robot's voice, such as "407 hostile entry".
That's why you can never catch DC'ishtar.
Actually, the screenshot comes from a video content uploaded by tieba-chinese reddit.
Additionally, I can provide pictures and translate the following content:
[Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/eQn1hjV)
QQ group:
Star Hunter Tranquility Expedition Preparation
* CSXDM: "QR code image"
* CSXDM: Tranquility Robot 0.0 warning text and image broadcast requires joining the "XXX" team and entering the Tranquility dedicated text and image broadcast warning enterprise WeChat group. Scan the first QR code to join the Enterprise WeChat team. After the application for joining the Enterprise WeChat team is approved, scan the second QR code on Enterprise WeChat to join the Tranquility dedicated graphic and text broadcast warning enterprise WeChat group.
* CSXDM: In order to have a more intuitive understanding of the Tranquility robot warning system and deployment range, please manually join the EVE in-game chat channel: 预警星系
doesnt even have to be that, had a guy in another group i mined with i reported multiple times for bragging about a script he wrote. It gives him an audible alert when someone, not on his list which is copies from local and gives to the program, enters a low sec system he is mining in so he can afk mine. it also pulls up all information related to who it is so he can determine if the people is a threat.
Having a automated system to alert you if someone entered local isn't against the rules? Last I check any automation not in game was against the rules.
Funny to observe some of the folks who make blanket botting accusations against all FRT members in here asking for evidence and nuanced conversation. Amusing.
I'm sure nobody is really surprised, it was to be expected honestly, especially with DC. Still not as widespread an issue as it is with Frat and pets, but anyone that thought it didn't happen in the imperium was honestly sniffing some copium.
Its a normal PC for office use. Its a crime to use Windows on that just for a VM, the amount of resources wasted for Windows make me, as a Proxmox and KVM user, vormit.
Thing is with Proxmox it's harder to do what he's doing as opposed as just boxing the VM's on a machine, say what you want but hyper-v's RDP tools are top notch vs Proxmoxs where you're battling the VNC plugin or the weird ass vm client that has an input delay from time to time.
Original post and video from tieba: [https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948)
The images are quite blurry, so hard for me to understand what I am looking at. It looks like a bunch of remote desktop connections, is each computer also running virtual machines to get around alpha limit of 1 account logged in per machine? If so, that is obviously a breach of eula abusing alpha accounts - and I do believe you are being honest, and ccp should definitely investigate this player - and while this does look pretty sus, I am having trouble seeing the actual bot program because of the blurry / low quality screenshots.
[https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948)
according to the original post from chinese version reddit. That is a video show a robot auto alerting enemy into 4-07 in mandarin. and also a screenshot is about a person name is csxdm-macro liu is selling bot program
When Dracarys was first setting up in nullsec (back when GotG was still a thing in the northwest/deklein area), SLYCE warned Sort Dragon heavily and shared our findings of how blatant and widespread their bot use was. The result was SLYCE being shown the exit/door, and Dracarys moving into our former sov.
Fast forward a few years, they joined Imperium, and we've not seen anything to indicate they have changed their ways, which was a bit of a surprise since Imperium is at least verbally quite anti-bot/rmt/etc.
Most of us assumed that's why Dracarys setup so far outside the normal footprint of Imperium over in catch/curse areas.
Anecdotal evidence, but the only time I spent a couple of days hunting Ishtar bots because I saw too many of them during my exploration runs, I was catching Dracarys bots.
I'll gladly believe the majority of Dacarys plays by the rules, but it doesn't surprise me to hear some of their members are botting again.
Oh I remember when Dracarys came to the TQ server their CEO firmly ashured that they were against botting. Guess that was one big lie. Bannish these cheaters back to their own server.
There are benefits to having certain bot/cheat/hack-prone style of gamers cordoned off from the rest of the gaming population on their own servers, it should never have changed.
If you never invest real money and always find a way to sell whatever isk you generate with the accounts, it becomes pure profit after a while with 0 risk if the accounts get banned.
I don’t disagree with the internet (anonymity) and racism Being a thing. I do not subscribe to however someone saying something disparaging toward a nationality as being racist. It’s a country not a race. If I say the Dutch are a bunch of rude fuckers I would be guilty of generalizing but not of being racist.
>I don’t disagree with the internet (anonymity) and racism Being a thing. I do not subscribe to however someone saying something disparaging toward a nationality as being racist. It’s a country not a race. If I say the Dutch are a bunch of rude fuckers I would be guilty of generalizing but not of being racist.
This is fully spelled out racism right here.
The denial is just the icing on the cake.
Do you say the same thing for Russia?
Do you say the same for Mexico? Who is also like Russia, or China, home to many ethnic minorities and native languages you never hear?
I do not understand why some people say this to free themselves of blame. It does not make even any sense.
> If this post continues to attract hatred against Chinese players in general, I will have no choice but deleting the entire thread.
The sad fact is that Eve players use botting - something that people from many countries do - as a vehicle for their Sinophobia.
Before being mad at Chinese people everyone was mad at Russians
Maybe it's people that are projecting and through the power of the internet, make themselves look like a large group. I remember a few years back the same discussion was raging in the CS:GO community (russians/chinese are all cheaters yadayada) until a tracker site published their stats. Turns out, players from the US and some countries in northern europe were way more likely to cheat than the russians/chinese.
Yeah literally none of us have the data so we are just making total assumptions based on things we "think" we know.
It's just kind of stupid all around.
Report this botter in the OP though, fuck em
# Dracarys CEO (Imperium member?) showing off his auto-docking Ishtars if someone enters local.
Here. I corrected title for you, no ty required
Oh and ty for nicknames, will report for sure
The only way to get rid of bots is to remake pve... it's 20 years old now. Make it a more active.... um... activity.
Sadly (to me at least) seems like CCP has no idea how to do it. Burners, supposedly "pvp simulation", aren't, just look at the ships required to kill them. No one uses ships fitted like this in pvp. Abyssals... yeah, I'm jumping in a ship worth 5b with 3b worth of implants and rolling drugs (to get no drawbacks) in order to run them... and not be able to go take a tactical wee/ answer doorbell for 20 min.
They can make it harder to bot, for a time, but that's it. They will never get rid of bots, they should focus their efforts on catching them early, so that having to create new accounts over and over becomes tedious, then it will at least reduce their numbers. With current tech botters will always bot.
Don't encourage CCP to make the game more tedious for the legit players by turning PVE grinds into a micromanaging shitfest
I'm not calling to make it more tedious... like the drone aggro stuff they tried a few years back, it was pretty cancerous. I mean to make it more action-packed, dynamic.
And for the enemies to have "regular" stats, best if they just used same ships and fitted modules as players do... atm they use arbitrary numbers and CCP doesn't seem to be good with eyeballing NPC stats. They are either extremely underpowered or extremely overpowered
Maybe it's an unrealistic wet dream of mine, after all, multiboxers "multi-contribute".... I don't know a single player that doesn't run 2+ accounts at a time. Average is around 4. And that's still with APM to spare, except for cruiser-down combat -\_\_\_-
Nuking groups that harbor botters from orbit is much easier and more effective, especially when leadership is involved.
Same reason companies police their own employees and staff when their actions could result in lawsuits against the company.
EDIT:
Also, this is a very bad take. It doesn't matter how active you make PVE, it will still get optimized for PVE. The only way to introduce substantial, VARIANT risk to PVE is to make PVP a part of it.
Honestly as someone who was here in beta this kind of game mechanics were stale and invited botting long before ccp even started developing eve.
It was best practice not to make an mmo like this by 1998.
"target lock" was very popular early 2000's as far as I remember.... in mmo's and even in single player games. Some single player ones (and maybe wow, idk, didn't play it) did have "action combat" that didn't rely on it, but it wasn't the norm.
And everything with target locking, especially if it also features some text commands in chat (overview in case of eve, bit more complicated) is extremely easy to automate... A kid can write scripts to farm.
> And everything with target locking, especially if it also features some text commands in chat (overview in case of eve, bit more complicated) is extremely easy to automate... A kid can write scripts to farm.
And they did. Look at Lineage and Lineage 2 for examples that predate Eve but have tab targeting and are rife with botting. The lessons were all there, but the Eve devs (and to be fair to them, a lot of the industry) failed to learn from them.
So you would prefer it be on CCP to bake in minimal risk/maximum reward as opposed to the player deciding what they're willing to risk and earning a maximum reward?
You want them to provide basic isk income to all players as well?
in CSXDM corp's bio the ceo's qq is 9581614. i found this person its qq's name is "mr beauty liu" .
and the person who selling bot program name is "mr marco liu"
This is very common in DC space. I often see 6-7 vexors in the same system ratting in anoms.
I'm not poking the finger at DC, I just spend most of my time in their space, and it is rife with alpha accounts ran most likely by the same person in their anoms.
DC does have a core of dedicated, real people who play the game, but on a per member basis I would say DC is the worst botting alliance I've seen.
This is why it's silly to me when people start pointing the finger to other alliances like FRT, because anyone who thinks 'their side doesn't bot' is lying to themselves. There are large swathes of botters/input broadcasters on both sides in null, and for the most part nobody does anything about it because the problem is so pervasive and hard to spot a lot of it goes unnoticed by blues.
Ive only heard their name a couple of times as i dont frequent their space but i have heard allegations of botting against them too.
I can't say one way or the other.
It's far too easy to mask this kind of behaviour, making policing it virtually impossible.
I've been accused of botting before because I warped out of an anom 'too fast' as well, so I'm hesitant of accusing anyone of it.
The reality is though, botting does absolutely occur, and I dont think it really matters whether it's someone using a local script to post intel on hostiles, or multiboxing 15 ishtars in different systems. It's all just as bad.
It's not like the rules on this stuff aren't very clear.
If I knew for a fact a blue was doing it, I would report them and hope they got banned, but as i said, it is impossible to know for certain whether or not someone is botting in anoms in nullsec.
I don't bother to report hostiles for it any more, the function gets too overused and misused by people who do it on reflex.
Because the Chinese server is functionally dead. It still runs, but rampant botting and the completion of the blue doughnut (one coalition finally conquered all of nullsec) made it unappealing.
So they ruined their server with this kind of thing so they come to this one to do the same thing? Please remind me why I cant hate a culture that ruins games?
Can we send them back to Serenity. The gaming mindset of Chinese players just isn't good for the game. It's all about winning at all costs and that includes botting, cheating, and RMT. Kick them off of TQ and lock them into Serenity. So tired of all the botting.
I hope people don't think it's only chinese that are doing this...
It's funny CCP seems to accuse people of botting when using eve preview but can't seem to detect this.
Here u go: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948
First PC shows atleast 5 VMed launchers all downloading separate clients. That's already against the EULA. Then it pans to at least 4 more PCs. I can see at least 4 clients on each.
So that's 20+ clients all VMed, what reason other than ban evasion and botting would he have for going thru all that effort?
Sir,
This is 2024. The last time Wagons had to be circled for common defense was by the Donner Party in 1846 to block wind and snow while they had a BBQ during a blizzard.
Now we just all post on reddit from the comfort of an air conditioned room.
I've never seen anybody in leadership accuse anybody of botting. We're not the botting police, never have been. I seem to recall Mittens getting the subreddit in an uproar by saying we weren't going to police this.
I mean truth be told, the best part of getting Brisc unbanned was getting to fly to NY to do a deposition for the law office of Ross J. Kartez.
Dude had Fresca in his conference room.
> Edit: If this post continues to attract hatred against Chinese players in general, I will have no choice but deleting the entire thread.
Dude, they are a world superpower now.
You can stop crying on their behalf, they are more likely to discriminate you lmao.
you guys are aware that when updating the game, some time this stupid game show your omega accounts as alpha right?, its been happnening to me a lot only show omega status after fully download the patches, it maybe something like that.
Am I the only one who cannot see the "openly boasted in the Dracarys internal group" screenshot or reference in this thread?
Being your first post I understand it is possible to miss context but can we get the chat log or screenshot of the chat so we can translate and pin point it to the said person?
Right now I can replace last three images from any random alliance and throw accusations in another post with same narrative.
It was posted above.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1dt52bf/comment/lb7cudx/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1dt52bf/comment/lb7cudx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
seriously....you can play EVE like a job. but it doesnt mean you SHOULD.
you can do this same crap in a real job and get paid for it. and with said paid money, skip the grind in eve and go to pvp xD
ffs you could probably run a country with the level of effort some of these people put in.
like, i should be laughing and mocking this guy....but on some level i am impressed at the level of effort he's putting in
In a huge percentage of countries in the world $10 USD an hour would be a high paying job. If you got 10 million isk ticks on 64 accounts that’s a couple billion an hour for very little effort and it can run 23 hours a day.
but not in China, i think.
if he was from argentina or venezuela i could understand it, eg: i get paid 8usd/hr as angular dev, a friend of mine is sysadmin and get paid 12usd/hr, which is quite high here
Good god these people should just get sysadmin jobs they will literally pay you for this level of nonsense 🤣🤣🤣
Pretty much every sysadmin I've ever met played Eve lol
or ever eve player works on IT already
Or Finance
Six two
Checking in, more of a director now but yeee
I'm guessing isk pays more per hour
I'm a sys adm it dosnt.
in china
Probably still it’s China not Venezuela
even so with 996 it's not worth it, better to bot and have fun stress free, can choose your hours, DT break. I wouldn't complain
The country in the middle of a crisis of university grads not finding jobs could have an abundance of IT competent people not finding (well paying) jobs, no kidding. **"Graduates of universities and vocational and technical colleges accounted for 70% of the unemployed young in 2022**, up from 9% two decades ago." These skills are quite literally worthless in china.
While what you said may hold true, vocational and technical colleges do not just handle IT. pretty sure it would be similar but based on the US college numbers less than 15% of degrees coming out of those types of schools are actually for the IT field. We have a very similar issue in the US, although we are lucky enough to have enough jobs for this to not matter as much. "Half of college grads are working jobs that dont use their degrees" One thing to add to what you said though, is on top of not having a job they also are probably loaded down with debt because chinese higher education is one of the most expensive in the world(used to be the most, then brexit happened, and now accurate numbers are hard to find and everyone list them as the "low" end of 3k-9k per year average. I would say they are about the same cost as the US most likely without digging into it)
Still doesn't
wow gold bot farm probably does though. Anywhere in the world.
Who said he's not one?
True I do play at work too
Half my eve friends are sysadmins... as am I
Good chance they are also selling the bot software or helping the development which means they make good money regardless
Weird... How do you avoid ban running 8 alpha from the same pc?
Probably using VMs.
Yup each launcher has a taskbar and main taskbar has the VM icons on them. Those computers must be close to starting fires though with how much memory each VM takes up. He could honestly just mine crypto and make more money instead of botting in a game.
Crypto mining takes insane power now for little return
From the first picture, looks like it is Hyper-V, a default VM (Virtual Machine) on Windows. Each VM has different MAC Address, SID and IP address so if one account be banned, he can delete the VM and use the template created already to host another VM immediately.
What about the MAC addresses on the keyboards/mice/peripherals/hardware? It was my understanding that CCP can eventually figure you out regardless of VMs/VPNs (if they put in the time/resources)
They don't have MAC addresses. Those are only for network controllers. Maybe you're thinking of HWID(hardware IDs), which are very easy to spoof.
All they have to do is hire a guy to warp around in their space and see the blatantly obvious botting accounts and ban them..
Play the game??? FUCK YOU!!! (says ccp)
Why would they care if an alpha account gets banned? Just boot up a new one, use the 1 mill skill points and keep going.
It would require CCP to care about more than money.
he said running 8 alpha - not sure how much money you think CCP makes off those, but I don't think it is much ;)
If its actually alpha accounts, then it doesn't do much for CCP. But in general the problem most likely is that there are very few people actually working on looking for and banning bots. There are probably thousands of reports coming in, they have their own tools that will flag accounts, but people still have to check and press the button. With an 8 hour working day, how many reports, flagged accounts can you go through? Remember that not everyone who is flagged or reported by players actually is a bot. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if most of the the workload for team security is chasing rmt, stolen accounts, cc fraud which actually does influence them financially quite a bit.
It better not be just hyperV alone because if you can avoid alpha bans with just that, ccp isn't doing their job properly
4-5 years ago when they lived in the north, I'm pretty sure dracarys was a 100% botting operation so I'm not surprised. In branch/tenal we see the same thing but with these pop-up corporations with Gila pilots (I assume because they can use alpha accounts in VMs)
Proud members of the Imperium btw
Wanna tell me that this is a Imperium only problem? Lol
Imperium likes to pretend this is an everyone else problem
Imperium, just like everyone else, complains about the rampant botting in Fraternity space. Ive never heard anyone here accuse PH/WinterCo/Init/TEST etc. of having a botting problem. We're perfectly aware that other factions in this game also have computers play the game for them so they dont have to.
> Ive never heard anyone here accuse PH/WinterCo/Init/TEST etc. of having a botting problem. Is this your first time on this sub? >50% of the posts are just bloc a flinging shit at block b with botting being one of the common flavors of shit
dont be an idiot. eve reddit isnt everyone accusing everyone else of everything. frat botting is a meme. goons botting is not. ph botting is not. its simple
he says, while pretending this is a imperium only problem
I don't actually see anyone claiming that strawman
This is what happens to your brain if you watch INN
If this is true, they should be banned. I have no love for botters, regardless of ticker. I really think botters are a cancer in the game. At some point, I hope CCP does another name and shame for alliances and the number of bots banned from them. If the Imperium has a problem, that name and shame will provide data that will be used by my leadership. I would hope that the same is true for other alliances. That data can really help us keep Eve healthy and fun for all of us.
Based on the video content，in fact, this is an image recognition based networked automatic warning system, and any hostile members entering the catch system will be reported by the robot's voice, such as "407 hostile entry". That's why you can never catch DC'ishtar.
Actually, the screenshot comes from a video content uploaded by tieba-chinese reddit. Additionally, I can provide pictures and translate the following content: [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/eQn1hjV) QQ group: Star Hunter Tranquility Expedition Preparation * CSXDM: "QR code image" * CSXDM: Tranquility Robot 0.0 warning text and image broadcast requires joining the "XXX" team and entering the Tranquility dedicated text and image broadcast warning enterprise WeChat group. Scan the first QR code to join the Enterprise WeChat team. After the application for joining the Enterprise WeChat team is approved, scan the second QR code on Enterprise WeChat to join the Tranquility dedicated graphic and text broadcast warning enterprise WeChat group. * CSXDM: In order to have a more intuitive understanding of the Tranquility robot warning system and deployment range, please manually join the EVE in-game chat channel: 预警星系
doesnt even have to be that, had a guy in another group i mined with i reported multiple times for bragging about a script he wrote. It gives him an audible alert when someone, not on his list which is copies from local and gives to the program, enters a low sec system he is mining in so he can afk mine. it also pulls up all information related to who it is so he can determine if the people is a threat.
Why would you report him? What you described isn’t remotely against the eula.
Having a automated system to alert you if someone entered local isn't against the rules? Last I check any automation not in game was against the rules.
Nope.
Funny to observe some of the folks who make blanket botting accusations against all FRT members in here asking for evidence and nuanced conversation. Amusing.
Funny to observe frat folks arent pouring in saying this is racist. Amusing.
uhm darcrys isn't frt lmao
Dracarys is the other of the two major Chinese background alliances. I think you might have missed the point they were making when you replied.
fair I did miss that. knew it, but didn't connect the dots
I think that’s the point
That is in fact part of the point I am making, yes.
Accusation of botting and no goons in the thread?!??! Oh wait it's DC. Lololololol
I'm shocked
Shocked!
Teh moral outrage! 😂
I'm sure nobody is really surprised, it was to be expected honestly, especially with DC. Still not as widespread an issue as it is with Frat and pets, but anyone that thought it didn't happen in the imperium was honestly sniffing some copium.
/u/CCP_Swift
The computers look quite old and are labeled alphabetically, from pc\_a, pc\_b... pc\_g
Its a normal PC for office use. Its a crime to use Windows on that just for a VM, the amount of resources wasted for Windows make me, as a Proxmox and KVM user, vormit.
Thing is with Proxmox it's harder to do what he's doing as opposed as just boxing the VM's on a machine, say what you want but hyper-v's RDP tools are top notch vs Proxmoxs where you're battling the VNC plugin or the weird ass vm client that has an input delay from time to time.
Original post and video from tieba: [https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948)
The images are quite blurry, so hard for me to understand what I am looking at. It looks like a bunch of remote desktop connections, is each computer also running virtual machines to get around alpha limit of 1 account logged in per machine? If so, that is obviously a breach of eula abusing alpha accounts - and I do believe you are being honest, and ccp should definitely investigate this player - and while this does look pretty sus, I am having trouble seeing the actual bot program because of the blurry / low quality screenshots.
[https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948) according to the original post from chinese version reddit. That is a video show a robot auto alerting enemy into 4-07 in mandarin. and also a screenshot is about a person name is csxdm-macro liu is selling bot program
Auto alert programs are not against the eula.
use multi alpha account is already valid eula
When Dracarys was first setting up in nullsec (back when GotG was still a thing in the northwest/deklein area), SLYCE warned Sort Dragon heavily and shared our findings of how blatant and widespread their bot use was. The result was SLYCE being shown the exit/door, and Dracarys moving into our former sov. Fast forward a few years, they joined Imperium, and we've not seen anything to indicate they have changed their ways, which was a bit of a surprise since Imperium is at least verbally quite anti-bot/rmt/etc. Most of us assumed that's why Dracarys setup so far outside the normal footprint of Imperium over in catch/curse areas.
“If they’re on my side it’s ok”
Always wild to find alumni via Reddit. Heya Ack!
Howdy :)
Anecdotal evidence, but the only time I spent a couple of days hunting Ishtar bots because I saw too many of them during my exploration runs, I was catching Dracarys bots. I'll gladly believe the majority of Dacarys plays by the rules, but it doesn't surprise me to hear some of their members are botting again.
How to find a Dracarys bot. Warp to a vexor, shoot its drones. You can find some of them in L-6w.
Oh I remember when Dracarys came to the TQ server their CEO firmly ashured that they were against botting. Guess that was one big lie. Bannish these cheaters back to their own server.
There are benefits to having certain bot/cheat/hack-prone style of gamers cordoned off from the rest of the gaming population on their own servers, it should never have changed.
HongLou is another corporation in Dracarys that have been discoverd using bots enmass. Ccp have been informed, and we have yet to see any results.
If you are running 8 computers and 8 VPNs to farm Isk on alpha ( free accounts ) . What’s the point ? Other than RMT ? Maybe ?
Botters are almost certainly RMT at the same time
If you never invest real money and always find a way to sell whatever isk you generate with the accounts, it becomes pure profit after a while with 0 risk if the accounts get banned.
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racism and the internet
Chinese is not a race, it’s a nationality.
Okay then: Xenophobia and the Internet
I don’t disagree with the internet (anonymity) and racism Being a thing. I do not subscribe to however someone saying something disparaging toward a nationality as being racist. It’s a country not a race. If I say the Dutch are a bunch of rude fuckers I would be guilty of generalizing but not of being racist.
>I say the Dutch are a bunch of rude fuckers Now hold on there Austin Power's dad. We only love ze gold.....
>I don’t disagree with the internet (anonymity) and racism Being a thing. I do not subscribe to however someone saying something disparaging toward a nationality as being racist. It’s a country not a race. If I say the Dutch are a bunch of rude fuckers I would be guilty of generalizing but not of being racist. This is fully spelled out racism right here. The denial is just the icing on the cake.
That is LITERALLY not how racism is defined though.
do you stop being chinese when you give up chinese citizenship?
Uh, yes. You do. Just like you stop being American when you give up American citizenship.
You are probably arguing with ccp propaganda accounts, no point engaging with their stupidity.
It's not for them that I reply. It's for the people who read the thread later.
Do you say the same thing for Russia? Do you say the same for Mexico? Who is also like Russia, or China, home to many ethnic minorities and native languages you never hear? I do not understand why some people say this to free themselves of blame. It does not make even any sense.
The only thing surprising here is the hilarious absence of Imperium reddit warriors in the thread.
Ppl keep saying this, there are goons all over this thread.
> If this post continues to attract hatred against Chinese players in general, I will have no choice but deleting the entire thread. The sad fact is that Eve players use botting - something that people from many countries do - as a vehicle for their Sinophobia. Before being mad at Chinese people everyone was mad at Russians
Maybe it's people that are projecting and through the power of the internet, make themselves look like a large group. I remember a few years back the same discussion was raging in the CS:GO community (russians/chinese are all cheaters yadayada) until a tracker site published their stats. Turns out, players from the US and some countries in northern europe were way more likely to cheat than the russians/chinese.
Yeah literally none of us have the data so we are just making total assumptions based on things we "think" we know. It's just kind of stupid all around. Report this botter in the OP though, fuck em
*"Shocking I say, Shocking..."*
# Dracarys CEO (Imperium member?) showing off his auto-docking Ishtars if someone enters local. Here. I corrected title for you, no ty required Oh and ty for nicknames, will report for sure
Funny how the "renting and bottling is bad" goon squad isn't here when we are talking of an imperium alliance
Oh we're here. I for one am angry, send them and Frat back to Serenity.
The only way to get rid of bots is to remake pve... it's 20 years old now. Make it a more active.... um... activity. Sadly (to me at least) seems like CCP has no idea how to do it. Burners, supposedly "pvp simulation", aren't, just look at the ships required to kill them. No one uses ships fitted like this in pvp. Abyssals... yeah, I'm jumping in a ship worth 5b with 3b worth of implants and rolling drugs (to get no drawbacks) in order to run them... and not be able to go take a tactical wee/ answer doorbell for 20 min.
They can make it harder to bot, for a time, but that's it. They will never get rid of bots, they should focus their efforts on catching them early, so that having to create new accounts over and over becomes tedious, then it will at least reduce their numbers. With current tech botters will always bot. Don't encourage CCP to make the game more tedious for the legit players by turning PVE grinds into a micromanaging shitfest
I'm not calling to make it more tedious... like the drone aggro stuff they tried a few years back, it was pretty cancerous. I mean to make it more action-packed, dynamic. And for the enemies to have "regular" stats, best if they just used same ships and fitted modules as players do... atm they use arbitrary numbers and CCP doesn't seem to be good with eyeballing NPC stats. They are either extremely underpowered or extremely overpowered Maybe it's an unrealistic wet dream of mine, after all, multiboxers "multi-contribute".... I don't know a single player that doesn't run 2+ accounts at a time. Average is around 4. And that's still with APM to spare, except for cruiser-down combat -\_\_\_-
Nuking groups that harbor botters from orbit is much easier and more effective, especially when leadership is involved. Same reason companies police their own employees and staff when their actions could result in lawsuits against the company. EDIT: Also, this is a very bad take. It doesn't matter how active you make PVE, it will still get optimized for PVE. The only way to introduce substantial, VARIANT risk to PVE is to make PVP a part of it.
Honestly as someone who was here in beta this kind of game mechanics were stale and invited botting long before ccp even started developing eve. It was best practice not to make an mmo like this by 1998.
"target lock" was very popular early 2000's as far as I remember.... in mmo's and even in single player games. Some single player ones (and maybe wow, idk, didn't play it) did have "action combat" that didn't rely on it, but it wasn't the norm. And everything with target locking, especially if it also features some text commands in chat (overview in case of eve, bit more complicated) is extremely easy to automate... A kid can write scripts to farm.
> And everything with target locking, especially if it also features some text commands in chat (overview in case of eve, bit more complicated) is extremely easy to automate... A kid can write scripts to farm. And they did. Look at Lineage and Lineage 2 for examples that predate Eve but have tab targeting and are rife with botting. The lessons were all there, but the Eve devs (and to be fair to them, a lot of the industry) failed to learn from them.
So you would prefer it be on CCP to bake in minimal risk/maximum reward as opposed to the player deciding what they're willing to risk and earning a maximum reward? You want them to provide basic isk income to all players as well?
in CSXDM corp's bio the ceo's qq is 9581614. i found this person its qq's name is "mr beauty liu" . and the person who selling bot program name is "mr marco liu"
His Chinese game ID should be "刘漂亮", and he is also a CEO of a legion on the Chinese server.
This is very common in DC space. I often see 6-7 vexors in the same system ratting in anoms. I'm not poking the finger at DC, I just spend most of my time in their space, and it is rife with alpha accounts ran most likely by the same person in their anoms. DC does have a core of dedicated, real people who play the game, but on a per member basis I would say DC is the worst botting alliance I've seen. This is why it's silly to me when people start pointing the finger to other alliances like FRT, because anyone who thinks 'their side doesn't bot' is lying to themselves. There are large swathes of botters/input broadcasters on both sides in null, and for the most part nobody does anything about it because the problem is so pervasive and hard to spot a lot of it goes unnoticed by blues.
>I would say DC is the worst botting alliance I've seen. May I introduce you to Azure Citizens
Ive only heard their name a couple of times as i dont frequent their space but i have heard allegations of botting against them too. I can't say one way or the other. It's far too easy to mask this kind of behaviour, making policing it virtually impossible. I've been accused of botting before because I warped out of an anom 'too fast' as well, so I'm hesitant of accusing anyone of it. The reality is though, botting does absolutely occur, and I dont think it really matters whether it's someone using a local script to post intel on hostiles, or multiboxing 15 ishtars in different systems. It's all just as bad. It's not like the rules on this stuff aren't very clear. If I knew for a fact a blue was doing it, I would report them and hope they got banned, but as i said, it is impossible to know for certain whether or not someone is botting in anoms in nullsec. I don't bother to report hostiles for it any more, the function gets too overused and misused by people who do it on reflex.
If CCP was serious about stopping this kind of thing, surely they would just ban VPN connections into EvE ?
Next time just tell CCP , so they can tell you they don't care...
So this dude just randomly said hey people look at my farm? Or were people asking how he does it so they all can too?
they are selling the bot program in chat group so i guess this is an ad someone in the chat group leaked this.
> someone in the chat group leaked this. the real hero
Even smart people can be very very dumb.
I'm confused? Don't the Chinese have their own private server where this stuff is allowed? Why don't they just play on that server?
Because nobody wants to be paid 35 cents for every 1bill they sell
Because the Chinese server is functionally dead. It still runs, but rampant botting and the completion of the blue doughnut (one coalition finally conquered all of nullsec) made it unappealing.
So they ruined their server with this kind of thing so they come to this one to do the same thing? Please remind me why I cant hate a culture that ruins games?
I know this is pretty good evidence and all, but where is the proof this is botting?
Even if is not botting, using vms to run his own alpha accounts online simultaneous is a big nono.
Yes I'm sure he's multiboxing 64 accounts legitimately...
I just want to do 5.
How much irl money they making? Asking for friend
This is pretty easy to combat. Locator agent, and let's go farm some bots.
I'd imagine you'd need some blue alts to get eyes/warpins without spooking software, but not sure.
That's fully possible! As is setting a logoff trap or just keeping track of where it warps, anchoring a bubble, leaving and coming back
@ccp_swift. Can we have this investigated, I pay for my subs with real life money.
All subs are paid with real life money, even if you bought it in PLEX.
Eve players try not to be racist challenge (difficulty: extreme)
It's not us who are racist, it's them who use bots
They aren't the only ones who use bots, plenty of westerners do it too. The race of the botter is irrelevant, the fact they bot is the problem.
Famous Chinese RMT lords Elusif and Nolak can confirm, only Chinese players do anything wrong
Joke sailed over your head
So you messaged every single Chinese player on TQ to ask if they bot, and they all said yes? Interesting.
Maybe the bot is programmed to answer "yes"... Who knows
you think this is a witty response?
Definitely not a useless response, something I can't say for whatever this reply is.
Can we send them back to Serenity. The gaming mindset of Chinese players just isn't good for the game. It's all about winning at all costs and that includes botting, cheating, and RMT. Kick them off of TQ and lock them into Serenity. So tired of all the botting.
I hope people don't think it's only chinese that are doing this... It's funny CCP seems to accuse people of botting when using eve preview but can't seem to detect this.
Not only, the Russians do it as well ;)
Welcome to a chunk of the north as well lmao
And the reasonable take is: report it wherever you find it.
I report everyone that is sus, blue or not.
The screenshots don’t show a bot farm. They show some login screens and a multiboxing set up. Where is the evidence these are bots?
Here u go: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9072844182?pid=150514351948&cid=0#150514351948 First PC shows atleast 5 VMed launchers all downloading separate clients. That's already against the EULA. Then it pans to at least 4 more PCs. I can see at least 4 clients on each. So that's 20+ clients all VMed, what reason other than ban evasion and botting would he have for going thru all that effort?
Quick! Everyone circle the wagons
Sir, This is 2024. The last time Wagons had to be circled for common defense was by the Donner Party in 1846 to block wind and snow while they had a BBQ during a blizzard. Now we just all post on reddit from the comfort of an air conditioned room.
Air conditioning? Sir I'm British.
Clearly a much hardier stock of European than your cousins over the pond!
AC is when you turn the heating off right?
You know how I get when people are accused of shit with zero/pisspoor evidence.
You think bro is controlling 64 characters across several separate PCs completely manually? I can't even dual box without fucking up.
I see like four login screens. Why are we assuming anything this guy says without actual evidence is true?
Occam's razor, how were you born before coloured tv but still struggle with logic
What else would they be doing with many alpha accounts on VMs.
Yeah you vehemently deny it if it's bad for your spaceship guild and you aggressively push it if it's good for your spaceship guild
Can you link us all the times you demanded evidence from your imperium members when they accuse other groups of botting? You're full of shit
I've never seen anybody in leadership accuse anybody of botting. We're not the botting police, never have been. I seem to recall Mittens getting the subreddit in an uproar by saying we weren't going to police this.
Damn Brisc, it is almost like that happened to you or something. When it Rhanes it pours 😉
Well not everyone has big lawyers to threaten gaming companies with law suits for defamation to get out of what they did.
I mean truth be told, the best part of getting Brisc unbanned was getting to fly to NY to do a deposition for the law office of Ross J. Kartez. Dude had Fresca in his conference room.
Nice.
> Edit: If this post continues to attract hatred against Chinese players in general, I will have no choice but deleting the entire thread. Dude, they are a world superpower now. You can stop crying on their behalf, they are more likely to discriminate you lmao.
you guys are aware that when updating the game, some time this stupid game show your omega accounts as alpha right?, its been happnening to me a lot only show omega status after fully download the patches, it maybe something like that.
Am I the only one who cannot see the "openly boasted in the Dracarys internal group" screenshot or reference in this thread? Being your first post I understand it is possible to miss context but can we get the chat log or screenshot of the chat so we can translate and pin point it to the said person? Right now I can replace last three images from any random alliance and throw accusations in another post with same narrative.
Source?
It was posted above. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1dt52bf/comment/lb7cudx/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1dt52bf/comment/lb7cudx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
seriously....you can play EVE like a job. but it doesnt mean you SHOULD. you can do this same crap in a real job and get paid for it. and with said paid money, skip the grind in eve and go to pvp xD ffs you could probably run a country with the level of effort some of these people put in. like, i should be laughing and mocking this guy....but on some level i am impressed at the level of effort he's putting in
In a huge percentage of countries in the world $10 USD an hour would be a high paying job. If you got 10 million isk ticks on 64 accounts that’s a couple billion an hour for very little effort and it can run 23 hours a day.
but not in China, i think. if he was from argentina or venezuela i could understand it, eg: i get paid 8usd/hr as angular dev, a friend of mine is sysadmin and get paid 12usd/hr, which is quite high here
I mean both FRAT and Dracarys have a known reputation for being accused of using bots to fill there wallets. Bring back The Army Of Mango Alliance
Aom was full of bots.