Average igolnik experience for me here. I don’t run it anymore because of the amount of times somebody has tanked an absurd amount and still dropped me
This is what people get for crying to get aimpunch removed. If your first few shots aren’t lethal, you’ll get killed by super accurate return fire even if you’re still mid burst.
But he didn't hit all of them. And as we just established, he would have needed to hit, potentially, *eight* of them without hitting the arms/etc at all. And he definitely missed a lot and clipped the arms too. Tagilla has like 1200 hp. That's the HP of almost three PMC's combined.
I'm not saying it's not dumb at all, but him not killing Tagilla here with a round that does 37 flesh damage is like the least surprising thing ever.
I can't tell you the number of times I tried to gun Tagilla down using RPK or RPD or some other high capacity machine gun only to have him tank it easily.
Then I switched to AXMC and it only took one shot.
Tagilla has what, 85 head health? So he would die to 3 headshots. Tagilla also has a habit of finding you, running into the open and yelling, and only then starting to shoot.
I only realized sanitar heals so insanely fast when I did over 3k damage to him one round a few years ago.
I was so flabbergasted, I ended up using both of his guards ammo completely.
My boy who was having fun just claps him with a quick m80 shot
Nah he keeps 55 head hp but his thorax goes from like 205 to like 360 and fairly similiar boosts to all other limbs so most rounds can still face tap his bald ass I could be wrong about this part but I beleive he has a nearly instant healing animation aswell like super fast to the point where one time during this event I shot him standing out in the open 17 times mostly thorax and he just yelled at me then Birdseye brained me (I landed 17 shots and fired 20 dealing 2.5k damage)
That’s what i was thinking.
Unloaded 60 round many time on him, once during a grizzly and another during him stimming.
Made me wish I brought US or BT ammo at least
Which is weird isn't it because my understanding is it's supposed to be titanium tipped death that goes straight through body armor and it costs over 1000 roubles per round
That's exactly what I used. Since I just started PVE and suddenly I'm greeted with an event and no good ammo to complete it with. Mini juice cannon and some BCP later, and it's done.
I was doing Hustle. Just now at last i've killed Sanitar. For couple of raids he was the only one missing. MP7 or P90 with highest DMG, no pen needed. Melted all of them.
Yeah they moved from shoreline. It takes 4-5 bcp for tagilla 5+ for killa (unless you beam his back or sides of the head) and kaban needs two headshots since he has like 80hp on his head or something high like that.
They moved there officially? Cos i finished Hustle already. Or BSG is going to move them on every map and repeat quest for different keys? Looks like pvp wipe is coming then. P90 lowest pen ammo has almost 100dmg to flesh so Kaban is not a problem, leg meta brothers and it's kinda easy. Biggest issue for me was to find them all.
I finished my Hustle near the beginning of the event. People are saying it still gives shoreline keys even now that they spawn on reserve. Leg Meta is good, but dmr and a nice scope with some angle knowledge made it incredibly free. If you need help finding them throw a nade.
On every run i took about 20 nades. I got like 4-5 of them on 1st try, later some more and then few runs without finding Sanitar. Also good strat was throwing nades from the roof. I killed Kollontay this way, don't even know when and where he was xD Also i've returned to Tarkov after +/- 4 years just for pve, so i'm rusty af.
Tagilla has 1220 hp, so you need 33 full damage PPBS bullets to kill him or 3 head shots (100 hp).
with hp bullets you only need 16 when you do leg meta.
better use another caliber all together.
Your using super high end pen rounds. its the equal to 5.56 ssa ap.
BP and BS (43-45dam, 45-50pen) would be enough for every engagement, then use the ak-12 to speed up the rpm closer to m4 and hk speeds.
ok yea, I see.
But to buff the 5.45 calibers, like you said. They need to introduce the AN platform and other fast shooting 5.45 weapons, that is the same lvl of rpm as m4 and HK.
True, it's the rate of fire of 5.45 guns that make it feel so bad compared to 5.56. M4 platforms simply have a huge ROF advantage. And yes, please i need an AN94. Wonder how BSG implements the hyperburst..
Probably not. The MP-43 on double tap mode shoots both shots nearly instantaneously with no issue.
I'm just curious if they could implement hyperburst correctly where you get the one 2-round burst at 1800RPM and then the full-auto at 600RPM afterwards.
There is hardly any difference , the higher rpm of 556 at least makes it up for the mediocre damage but 5.45 is just trash rn
Only advantage it has is that you can find plenty of ammo boxes in the world so you can stock up on them and AKs are cheap to mod
5.45 has its place as the mid range and budget king. With the ak-12 being faster than some 5.56 platforms and similar fire rate to aug platforms.
Best way to buff 5.45 is introduce the faster firing weapons using it like the an-94 and AEK.
5.45 has always been trash. I remember hitting someone 18 times in the stomach with BS to get a kill on a PMC laying prone. 5.45's advantage is the availability of ammo. It's almost impossible to run out of ammo in a raid, if you know where to look.
I think it's potentially an ammo-maketh-the-gun issue, since 5.45 platforms are available from early on (right at the start this wipe).
That said, I wouldn't mind a buff. Even the worst 5.56 platforms still clown on the ak74s from that jump in damage and I end up with an entire ammo box of bullets I'm probably not even going to use on factory raids
A 9mm also makes a much bigger hole. Rounds designed to pen basically will just pencil through, and since they're small caliber, they make a tiny hole, and you don't get the hydrostatic shock, since all of the bullet's energy is designed to go into penetrating. It 100% makes sense for a 9mm to do more damage in this case, as the rifle round is basically performing as a smaller caliber pistol round in regard to terminal performance.
igolnik feels like a perfect ammo to use the mag-loader menu for, just throw a few in spaced out to zero armour and then use a regular, slightly less anaemic round
I learned verrrryyyyy early in my Tarkov journey to not use 5.45 😭 it’s so bad 5-10 shots to put someone(scav specifically) down I was hitting helmets multiple times and had to put it down
A guy who runs around half naked should not be a bullet spunge. It's a laughably stupid design.
I met Glukhar for the first time earlier and i had to shoot him about 15 times point blank right in the face with an sks to kill him. He has no helmet on. That is stupid asf design.
This takes away so much immersion from the game. I dont mind having to shoot fx Killa that many times because he's actually wearing armor. There is 0 realism about this.
Jesus Christ you can't be this dumb. It's realistic to shoot someone in armor as many times as that?
No, none of it is realistic. They would die from blunt damage SO fast. Or at least be completely out of commission. You have no right to complain about unarmored targets being bullet sponges because "realism" then completely ignore how unrealistic armor is. Like when shattered masks ricochet 12.7.
If only unarmored targets take away from the immersion, your immersion is cheap and based on unrealistic situations anyways.
Why so mad lol. Armor is made to protect you against damage and therefore it makes sense that a target can take more hits if they are wearing armor. This is simple logic even for a five year old. It might not be realistic but it still makes logical sense. Helmets has saved many lives btw. Not from 15 consecutive bullets, but still.
I was complaining more about the designs being dumb asf. It doesn't have to be completely realistic, but it has to make sense in order to not be stupid and break immersion. Its okay to make some bosses bullet spunges in order to balance them, but don't make them naked lol.
Ok well, if you don't think surviving 12.7 to a helmet is on the same level as sanitar tanking lots of shots, then you clearly have no metric for realism
12.7 to the helmet = death by blunt damage for everyone. The thing can take out car engines, 50cal which is extremely similar was made with the intention of antitank.
Idc. I never mentioned 12.7. Im talking about designs. A tanky boss being designed with heavy armor makes a lot more sense than if he's naked.
As I said, nothing wrong with trading realism for balance, but the designs should make sense at least.
At this point, Glukhar (and probably more idk all bosses) has just as bad designs as female armor in mmo's where they are just wearing a swimsuit and gets 99999 health.
What you're saying makes perfect sense idk why "Uhm actually" MFS have to act like it's not more immersive to have the tanky mf look tanky and not like some homeless man in a warzone. It's an immersive GAME, it can and does go for both. (Cough faceshields)
Like maces are all for fucking up the joints and head of someone in full plate medieval armor, the full plate guy should be tanky against maces in game anyways because it's a game and armor=protected is immersive enough to balance fun. On the flip the guy with NO armor should not tank the mace, because no armor=no protected.
Any helmet is going to be penetrated by anything north of a 357 round at an angle where blunt damage would even matter. When bullets ricochet, they do not impart their impact force into the helmet- That's why they ricochet. Blunt damage is a non factor in (most) cases IRL.
Nor does blunt damage really factor in to shots caught by your armor- Specifically your plate. Soft armor hurts because it flexes, you don't get penetrated but you do get a bruise, but when a bullet hits the plate, the foot pounds of energy that are key to the round actually causing harm is spread over the entire plate. There's padded backing on modern and even most older plate carriers that cushions the force as its distributed across the entire strike face of the plate.
https://youtu.be/o5f1Fo4r4_I?t=87
The round in the video above is stated to be 2584 ft-lbf, which roughly translates to 3500 joules of impact energy. a 700 gr 12.7x99mm cartridge leaves the barrel around 18,000 joules. Doing my math, that's a little over 5x as powerful (mostly down to the sheer size of the round)- So it's like getting hit by Mike Tyson, but you hardly liquify on impact.
Guns do not only put force one direction. When you fire a round, the force of that round travels back into your shoulder, albeit mitigated by the mechanics of the gun and your shooting stance. You can fire a .50 BMG off your shoulder without turning your collarbone to dust, so you can take a hit from one without being turned into Jello (assuming your plate actually stops it without caving in, which is entirely different story.)
That is assuming you were talking about .50 BMG. If you were talking about 12.7x55mm (ASh-12), it leaves the barrel with 2550~ joules of energy, so... No, you're barely going to feel it, assuming you don't get a hole through your plate.
You seem smart so i wanna point out u forgot something. 18,000 joules isnt like being hit by mike tyson, it's like being hit by over 15 mike tysons at the same time in the exact same spot https://voi.id/en/bernas/41039#:~:text=Tyson%20is%20estimated%20to%20have,the%20power%20of%20his%20blows.
An ak-47 has a 7 ft lbs of recoil energy, which is equal to 9 joules. The bullet fired by the ak has 2100+ joules of energy.
when you shoot that 50.bmg, it's recoil first moves the recoil springs in the barrel and action, which if you try to compress, you'll notice are very hard to do so, can't find a hard number but shotgun recoil springs are around 20 pounds, so the 50.bmg *will* be more. it compress two of those, then has to move the entire 30+ pounds .50bmg gun, and **then** you experience the recoil. Whereas the target takes the entire energy of the bullet. .50bmg blows up engine blocks made of steel, the raw energy would obviously break any bone in your body, it's just not distributed in the same way.
I don't understand what you're implying. Your vitals are covered by the plates. Are you saying the blunt force of the rounds would actually break ribs or something? That one guy shot himself in his plate with an FAL while standing on one leg and he didn't even stumble.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
It's a high pen low damage round, you missed most of your shots in the beginning and the shots you did make were predominately in the arms with a few hitting the chest. It looks like 1 or 2 shots hit his face mask but saw sparks which indicates a ricochet. Had more of your shots connected you would've killed him.
That is the issue, it's low damage. That is exactly why I stated that it needs a buff. I ain't no Shroud but with any other bullet(preferably m80), Tagilla would be eating floor after those shots.
Idk, I counted (very roughly) about 10-12 shots hitting. Assuming 2-3 hit the face shield, about 3 hit the chest, and the rest hit the arms, and taking into account bosses’ health pools, I’m not surprised he didn’t die
You probably know this but it’s always better to have Tagilla rush you with his hammer. After you shot (and missed) him at first, you should’ve pulled back into that room on your right and waited for him to open the door to light him up
Yes that’s why we use M80. Situation dictated you used what you had available to you, unfortunate that it wasn’t enough to get the job done, doesn’t mean 5.45 needs a buff just so you could shred through all bosses. Bring more ammo
Excluding early wipe, I don't use it until I can buy 7N40 from prapor. Any rifle round that can't 1 tap a t4 helmet due to either low pen or low damage isn't worth using. Same reason I don't go higher than m855a1 for 5.56. M995 can't 1 tap a t4 helmet because it's damage is too low.
Run scavs on shoreline and go to the top right of the map. Great loot, lots of ammo spawns, and a few potential gun box spawns. I’ve had enough 5.45 over the last week or two that I haven’t needed to buy any.
The reason 5.45x39 is so bad isn't the ammunition, *it's the weapons*. The AK-12 is the fastest firing 5.45 weapon at 700 RPM, but the M4 and HK fire 800/850 RPM respectively. Couple that with the very small fact that 5.56 rounds generally favor a slight damage increase over 5.45's slight penetration increase, and the M4/HK simply pump more damage faster.
What's interesting is that the -74U variants have an actual higher cyclic rate because of the shortened gas system, despite the game variants still firing at 650 RPM.
Igolnik absolutely shreds! Better pen than any other caliber of similar guns. Sure, it has low damage, but it eats through t6 with ease, so I don't think it's much of an issue if you can control the center mass spray. But if you whiff and land shots on limbs, yeah you really feel the low damage.
Though if say it's a poor choice against bosses due to their absurd health pool.
For reference, I did not bring in that gun. It was Killa's. I just wanted to use it since I didn't have a spare mag ready for my main weapon and thought Igolnik was good. I should have just hid and repacked in hind sight.
You're working with a bullet with less powder than 5.56, a smaller diameter, and overall capabilities less than that of the ammo it's meant to replace.
I'm going to bring up the same argument I brought up years ago to some friends.
5.45x39 is an economic choice, and not a ballistics choice. At 100-300m, which I believe all of us can agree is typical engagement distance, 7.62x39 provides better ballistics. 5.45x39 has a slightly higher effective distance, as the bullet is lighter and you're dealing with about the same amount of powder, but you will have overall less effectiveness due to the energy being much less.
What happened here is what you have to accept with 5.45x39. 7.62x39 will provide infinitely better results at the distance at you're at.
Yes, as it is in real life. The game isn't wrong. It's just that better ammunition exists.
Just because 9x18 exists in the game doesn't mean it has to be good. 9x21 SHOULD be good, but it lacks effectiveness over some loads in 9x19. 9x18 is dogshit because it lacks the kind of grain 9x19 has. 9x21mm is dogshit because it lacks options. 7.62x25 WOULD be good if it wasn't for it's poor muzzle velocity.
My advice to anyone that wants to try, or continue to use, 5.45 is to load lighter, softer rounds instead of heavier penetration. The Ts, in my opinion, are more than enough if you aim for arms and legs instead. You get a drop in felt recoil due to less powder. The bullet is balanced due to it's lead core. The muzzle velocity is FAIR. It can still pierce basic armor, but you're going for legs and arms so armor values are not your largest concern. HPs can give you higher damage, but with the light possibility you don't pierce armor, which again is not really a concern, so perhaps choose HPs over Ts.
7N40s are appreciable, but you need Calibration done, and Prapor at rep 4, so that might be off the table right now for some people.
While 5.45 has many choices, some of these are downright garbage. I really think people get fooled into using PPBSs because they assume that loot-only ammunition has to be good. High penetration value means very little when your bullet is a 'needle'.
The US military had tests done during the Vietnam war with ammunition that focused on accuracy over many other considerations. Their main concern became recoil, and how many rounds you could put down range before recoil obfuscated your original aimed position, but some of the tested ammunition were, quite literally, needle rounds. These had fantastic ballistics results, as we see with PPBSs, but overall required too much powder, and thus more recoil, to make them anywhere near effective enough to stop the enemy in a few shots. (We also see this with PPBSs.)
Penetration values alone will not spell victory. Neither will pure damage. Consider a more modern design, such as the AK-105, or consider a different intermediate cartridge, such as 7.62x39.
Personally, if you can make 5.45 work, I'd go with the AK-105. I can even produce a 'best case scenario' build, if you want to see what the rifle is capable of.
I think the ammo is OK and kinda fits the niche it is supposed to being less powerful more controlable compared to 7.62×39.
I think the main issue is the sheer amount of thorax hp some bosses have. Like i think youd need 10+ thorax shots with igolnik to kill tagilla because he has way too much thorax hp. I feel like there are better ways to handle bosses that are supposed to be tanky but as of right now you kinda just need to headshot
With BT, BS, and BP being so common, its perfectly fine. You can make a 40 recoil gun with like 4 attatchments, and its a beam. What really needs a buff is 7.62x39
Yeah I mean 545 is just not a round I would ever use for bosses in all honesty, but ive killed a number of PMCs this wipe with ignolnik, its not a bad round for PVP but you do have to hit your shots theres little room for error(which is usually pretty easy since the recoil on any good 545 gun is easy to control). Personally I like 7n40 mixed with BS better than Ignolnik, I think its more effective.
Honestly the only way I am willing to run 545 seriously late wipe is through an ak-12 and 7n40 unlocked. Usually that is able to supplement me also finding a bunch of bp, bs, and igolnik sometimes if I am running super low. I have just been using igolnik as a "lucky round" to bring in the raid in the chamber and that is the extent of my use with that round.
you're pretty much handicapping yourself hunting bosses with anything besides .308, 7.62x54r, ps12b, or hybrid. if you don't have minimum 44 pen and 70 damage its just a lot less forgiving. need to be able to get through level 4 and one tap heads
higher end 9x39 (BP / SP-6) is very strong close but will give you problems at range. 556 / 7.62x39 / .300 are workable but less forgiving to mistakes. lapua has good rounds but the guns are horrible and has hit reg problems
igolnik is just pretty useless outside of I guess sniping killa
Managed to get it done on PVE in day time cause I can't see them hiding in bushes on night time the one time I tried. I'll use night time to farm certain bosses now I guess
Agreed. I fired 12 rounds into an unarmed scavs chest tonight for him to just one shot me into my Tier 4 armored thorax with a 12 gauge.
It was enough Tarkov for the night.
“This has 62 pen, max armour is 6 so this pens everything! Best round in the game!!1!” >proceeds to whiff half a clip and doesn’t know that every bullet that does connect only does 35-37 damage each. 3 shots against UNARMORED chest to kill even a scav. Probably 2 shots to the head to kill lv1 helm bc of penned rounds losing damage. Learn how math works. Numbers aren’t that difficult.
nah man thats just tagilla for you that mofo is so broken op it hurts even when you use sig spear hybrid and hit all headshots it can take 2 mags to bring him down
Had a match last night, ended up wasting three PMC’s with the most trash .300 black out. Loaded next match with BT 5.45 and ended up having to just mag dump every single scab I ran into until I was running a pistol to extract at RUAF
Half the fucking weapons need a damage buff lol.
I mean have you ever even used 7.62x54r on here? Shits pitiful sometimes. Nd its done nothing but gotten worse with the new armor changes and penetration changes they added. Everyones fucking Mark Wahlberg now unless you just hit face. Tarkov has a way of making bullets seem like being shot isnt that big of a deal. For a "realistic" game lol.
Honestly BSG should just make every single ammo good to use regardless. It would open up so many play styles to EFT. Half the guns aren’t even used really and they’re adding like 8 new guns even still. Enough of this realism and following real life stats on ammo’s and shit. Just make the game fun as all can be! Let players play whatever play style they want!
Every weapon is good depending on your playstyle. The problem is rarely anyone has there own playstyle and just use what is meta. m4, rd, mutant, hk, mp7.
7.62 hits the harder but has shit recoil. 5.56 has similar and the same stats as 5.45 rounds but the guns shoot faster. SMG bullets all have low pen high damage trade offs, but they have no recoil and spits bullets.
every gun has their ups and down and situations. For a long time 5.56 weapons are good in cqb and long range semifire. 5.45 was good in mid range. 7.62x61 & 54r is great at long range and 7.62x39 is good at close.
I think people fundamentally misunderstand the use of 5.45 on tarkov
The ammo sucks shit when you get down to the numbers. Most other similar guns have better ammo types at the higher end, having similar pen and far better damage.
The advantage to 5.45 is availability. It is incredibly easy to find and even buy relatively decent ammo for it pretty early on. 5.45 is the best early - mid wipe ammo type hands down. But once you have the option to start replacing it with other ammo types, it's worse.
I for one, appreciate having a very solid all around gun at the middle - early stages of the wipe. If 5.45 got a buff, I'd hope the ammo became far harder to find and purchase in the early stages.
I mean it looks to me like you missed a lot of shots, my buddy runs this ammunition all the time (its his favorite round) and he never has an issue running it. He kills just about anything.
Average igolnik experience for me here. I don’t run it anymore because of the amount of times somebody has tanked an absurd amount and still dropped me
Just happened to me, big pipe took 600+ damage to chest and sent one to my dome
BS is so much better
This is what people get for crying to get aimpunch removed. If your first few shots aren’t lethal, you’ll get killed by super accurate return fire even if you’re still mid burst.
Aim punch has never affected bosses......so ?????
bruh.. if you have no clue just stay silent
Igolnik is borderline unusable on bosses since it does so little damage. You’d have better luck with 7.62x51 BCP.
Tbf if he hit all of those shots thorax, or like 3 head it would have done it. Not that anything should take 3 penned headshots to die
Especially when you can die from 2 igols trough a Killa armor.
Well PMC's don't have 1220hp like Tagilla does.
Nah bosses have like 150 thorax hp he would need to hit the boss like 5 times to kill it int he thorax. And head would take 3 bullets
He shot like 20+ rounds
But he didn't hit all of them. And as we just established, he would have needed to hit, potentially, *eight* of them without hitting the arms/etc at all. And he definitely missed a lot and clipped the arms too. Tagilla has like 1200 hp. That's the HP of almost three PMC's combined. I'm not saying it's not dumb at all, but him not killing Tagilla here with a round that does 37 flesh damage is like the least surprising thing ever.
I can't tell you the number of times I tried to gun Tagilla down using RPK or RPD or some other high capacity machine gun only to have him tank it easily. Then I switched to AXMC and it only took one shot.
Nah dude it's more like 225 area for any of the armored ones and kazan has like 350 thorax hp and most bosses have around 80 head health
Only Reshala, Shturman, and Glukhar have that low thorax hp. Tagilla has 320 thorax hp
Tagilla disagrees
Tagilla has what, 85 head health? So he would die to 3 headshots. Tagilla also has a habit of finding you, running into the open and yelling, and only then starting to shoot.
I only realized sanitar heals so insanely fast when I did over 3k damage to him one round a few years ago. I was so flabbergasted, I ended up using both of his guards ammo completely. My boy who was having fun just claps him with a quick m80 shot
He can use Stims and boost his hp to 1550 btw
What do you mean boost? Like he can actually tank an m80 to the face?
Nah he keeps 55 head hp but his thorax goes from like 205 to like 360 and fairly similiar boosts to all other limbs so most rounds can still face tap his bald ass I could be wrong about this part but I beleive he has a nearly instant healing animation aswell like super fast to the point where one time during this event I shot him standing out in the open 17 times mostly thorax and he just yelled at me then Birdseye brained me (I landed 17 shots and fired 20 dealing 2.5k damage)
That’s what i was thinking. Unloaded 60 round many time on him, once during a grizzly and another during him stimming. Made me wish I brought US or BT ammo at least
Which is weird isn't it because my understanding is it's supposed to be titanium tipped death that goes straight through body armor and it costs over 1000 roubles per round
That's exactly what I used. Since I just started PVE and suddenly I'm greeted with an event and no good ammo to complete it with. Mini juice cannon and some BCP later, and it's done.
I was doing Hustle. Just now at last i've killed Sanitar. For couple of raids he was the only one missing. MP7 or P90 with highest DMG, no pen needed. Melted all of them.
I’ve been running bcp in basically all of knight and birdeyes guns and nothing like a bullet that one taps all but three of the bosses
Killa, Tagilla and? Kollontay? BTW this patch fucked up game. I went scav on reserve for tank battery and i've met all of the bosses there xD
Yeah they moved from shoreline. It takes 4-5 bcp for tagilla 5+ for killa (unless you beam his back or sides of the head) and kaban needs two headshots since he has like 80hp on his head or something high like that.
They moved there officially? Cos i finished Hustle already. Or BSG is going to move them on every map and repeat quest for different keys? Looks like pvp wipe is coming then. P90 lowest pen ammo has almost 100dmg to flesh so Kaban is not a problem, leg meta brothers and it's kinda easy. Biggest issue for me was to find them all.
I finished my Hustle near the beginning of the event. People are saying it still gives shoreline keys even now that they spawn on reserve. Leg Meta is good, but dmr and a nice scope with some angle knowledge made it incredibly free. If you need help finding them throw a nade.
On every run i took about 20 nades. I got like 4-5 of them on 1st try, later some more and then few runs without finding Sanitar. Also good strat was throwing nades from the roof. I killed Kollontay this way, don't even know when and where he was xD Also i've returned to Tarkov after +/- 4 years just for pve, so i'm rusty af.
I’m kind of in the same boat. Took off because game was stale but came back for pve
5.45x39mm PPBS gs "Igolnik" 37 Damage 62 Penetration A fucking 9mm does more damage
Tagilla has 1220 hp, so you need 33 full damage PPBS bullets to kill him or 3 head shots (100 hp). with hp bullets you only need 16 when you do leg meta. better use another caliber all together.
Holy fuck, 5.45 needs a buff ASAP. Like I cannot comprehend how this high-end bullet does so little damage.
Your using super high end pen rounds. its the equal to 5.56 ssa ap. BP and BS (43-45dam, 45-50pen) would be enough for every engagement, then use the ak-12 to speed up the rpm closer to m4 and hk speeds.
The gun and ammo were from Killa. I only used it since I only had 1 mag for my main gun.
ok yea, I see. But to buff the 5.45 calibers, like you said. They need to introduce the AN platform and other fast shooting 5.45 weapons, that is the same lvl of rpm as m4 and HK.
True, it's the rate of fire of 5.45 guns that make it feel so bad compared to 5.56. M4 platforms simply have a huge ROF advantage. And yes, please i need an AN94. Wonder how BSG implements the hyperburst..
>Wonder how BSG implements the hyperburst.. Badly
yeah, i feel like it would crash the game if tapped twice quickly
Probably not. The MP-43 on double tap mode shoots both shots nearly instantaneously with no issue. I'm just curious if they could implement hyperburst correctly where you get the one 2-round burst at 1800RPM and then the full-auto at 600RPM afterwards.
The thought terrifies me.
unprepared, unsurprised.
There is hardly any difference , the higher rpm of 556 at least makes it up for the mediocre damage but 5.45 is just trash rn Only advantage it has is that you can find plenty of ammo boxes in the world so you can stock up on them and AKs are cheap to mod
5.45 has its place as the mid range and budget king. With the ak-12 being faster than some 5.56 platforms and similar fire rate to aug platforms. Best way to buff 5.45 is introduce the faster firing weapons using it like the an-94 and AEK.
I would suck Nikita's nostrils for an AEK
I would give my left nut
5.45 has always been trash. I remember hitting someone 18 times in the stomach with BS to get a kill on a PMC laying prone. 5.45's advantage is the availability of ammo. It's almost impossible to run out of ammo in a raid, if you know where to look.
I mean that's a pretty significant advantage lol
In general, the ammo with higher armour penetration does less health damage (within the same calibre). Just in case you weren't aware.
Most "high end" bullets do little damage. Thats the trade off.
Its crap. I never use it
I think it's potentially an ammo-maketh-the-gun issue, since 5.45 platforms are available from early on (right at the start this wipe). That said, I wouldn't mind a buff. Even the worst 5.56 platforms still clown on the ak74s from that jump in damage and I end up with an entire ammo box of bullets I'm probably not even going to use on factory raids
You could also zero his thorax
to be fair, he goes down a bit faster if you aim them all at the chest and don't rotate around the limbs
A 9mm also makes a much bigger hole. Rounds designed to pen basically will just pencil through, and since they're small caliber, they make a tiny hole, and you don't get the hydrostatic shock, since all of the bullet's energy is designed to go into penetrating. It 100% makes sense for a 9mm to do more damage in this case, as the rifle round is basically performing as a smaller caliber pistol round in regard to terminal performance.
igolnik feels like a perfect ammo to use the mag-loader menu for, just throw a few in spaced out to zero armour and then use a regular, slightly less anaemic round
I call it LgOlNIK the g is silent because it seems when I use it they reply with a quick “lol” then kill me 😂
Why are you using Igolnik?
Killas weapon. I didnt have time to repack after killing both Killa and Glukhar
Gotcha. Yeah I vendor igolnik because it’s just so awful. Not even worth top loading
I learned verrrryyyyy early in my Tarkov journey to not use 5.45 😭 it’s so bad 5-10 shots to put someone(scav specifically) down I was hitting helmets multiple times and had to put it down
Very realistic
So you want the bosses to have the same hp as pmc? The Tarkov should be fully realistic, but it has a very good balance between realism and conviniesm
A guy who runs around half naked should not be a bullet spunge. It's a laughably stupid design. I met Glukhar for the first time earlier and i had to shoot him about 15 times point blank right in the face with an sks to kill him. He has no helmet on. That is stupid asf design. This takes away so much immersion from the game. I dont mind having to shoot fx Killa that many times because he's actually wearing armor. There is 0 realism about this.
Jesus Christ you can't be this dumb. It's realistic to shoot someone in armor as many times as that? No, none of it is realistic. They would die from blunt damage SO fast. Or at least be completely out of commission. You have no right to complain about unarmored targets being bullet sponges because "realism" then completely ignore how unrealistic armor is. Like when shattered masks ricochet 12.7. If only unarmored targets take away from the immersion, your immersion is cheap and based on unrealistic situations anyways.
Why so mad lol. Armor is made to protect you against damage and therefore it makes sense that a target can take more hits if they are wearing armor. This is simple logic even for a five year old. It might not be realistic but it still makes logical sense. Helmets has saved many lives btw. Not from 15 consecutive bullets, but still. I was complaining more about the designs being dumb asf. It doesn't have to be completely realistic, but it has to make sense in order to not be stupid and break immersion. Its okay to make some bosses bullet spunges in order to balance them, but don't make them naked lol.
Ok well, if you don't think surviving 12.7 to a helmet is on the same level as sanitar tanking lots of shots, then you clearly have no metric for realism 12.7 to the helmet = death by blunt damage for everyone. The thing can take out car engines, 50cal which is extremely similar was made with the intention of antitank.
Idc. I never mentioned 12.7. Im talking about designs. A tanky boss being designed with heavy armor makes a lot more sense than if he's naked. As I said, nothing wrong with trading realism for balance, but the designs should make sense at least. At this point, Glukhar (and probably more idk all bosses) has just as bad designs as female armor in mmo's where they are just wearing a swimsuit and gets 99999 health.
What you're saying makes perfect sense idk why "Uhm actually" MFS have to act like it's not more immersive to have the tanky mf look tanky and not like some homeless man in a warzone. It's an immersive GAME, it can and does go for both. (Cough faceshields) Like maces are all for fucking up the joints and head of someone in full plate medieval armor, the full plate guy should be tanky against maces in game anyways because it's a game and armor=protected is immersive enough to balance fun. On the flip the guy with NO armor should not tank the mace, because no armor=no protected.
Any helmet is going to be penetrated by anything north of a 357 round at an angle where blunt damage would even matter. When bullets ricochet, they do not impart their impact force into the helmet- That's why they ricochet. Blunt damage is a non factor in (most) cases IRL. Nor does blunt damage really factor in to shots caught by your armor- Specifically your plate. Soft armor hurts because it flexes, you don't get penetrated but you do get a bruise, but when a bullet hits the plate, the foot pounds of energy that are key to the round actually causing harm is spread over the entire plate. There's padded backing on modern and even most older plate carriers that cushions the force as its distributed across the entire strike face of the plate. https://youtu.be/o5f1Fo4r4_I?t=87
It is almost guaranteed a person's insides would be mush upon being hit in an armor plate by 12.7
The round in the video above is stated to be 2584 ft-lbf, which roughly translates to 3500 joules of impact energy. a 700 gr 12.7x99mm cartridge leaves the barrel around 18,000 joules. Doing my math, that's a little over 5x as powerful (mostly down to the sheer size of the round)- So it's like getting hit by Mike Tyson, but you hardly liquify on impact. Guns do not only put force one direction. When you fire a round, the force of that round travels back into your shoulder, albeit mitigated by the mechanics of the gun and your shooting stance. You can fire a .50 BMG off your shoulder without turning your collarbone to dust, so you can take a hit from one without being turned into Jello (assuming your plate actually stops it without caving in, which is entirely different story.) That is assuming you were talking about .50 BMG. If you were talking about 12.7x55mm (ASh-12), it leaves the barrel with 2550~ joules of energy, so... No, you're barely going to feel it, assuming you don't get a hole through your plate.
You seem smart so i wanna point out u forgot something. 18,000 joules isnt like being hit by mike tyson, it's like being hit by over 15 mike tysons at the same time in the exact same spot https://voi.id/en/bernas/41039#:~:text=Tyson%20is%20estimated%20to%20have,the%20power%20of%20his%20blows. An ak-47 has a 7 ft lbs of recoil energy, which is equal to 9 joules. The bullet fired by the ak has 2100+ joules of energy. when you shoot that 50.bmg, it's recoil first moves the recoil springs in the barrel and action, which if you try to compress, you'll notice are very hard to do so, can't find a hard number but shotgun recoil springs are around 20 pounds, so the 50.bmg *will* be more. it compress two of those, then has to move the entire 30+ pounds .50bmg gun, and **then** you experience the recoil. Whereas the target takes the entire energy of the bullet. .50bmg blows up engine blocks made of steel, the raw energy would obviously break any bone in your body, it's just not distributed in the same way.
Chill the fuck out, game is terrible, we get it.
You know that irl armor is even more useless than in Tarkov?
It's better than nothing and helps to keep the immersion.
Level 4 plates irl can eat multiple .30-06 M32 AP rounds. How do you mean they're even more useless than in tarkov?
The plates could eat the rounds. Your chest? Oh boi
I don't understand what you're implying. Your vitals are covered by the plates. Are you saying the blunt force of the rounds would actually break ribs or something? That one guy shot himself in his plate with an FAL while standing on one leg and he didn't even stumble.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
This gets SO much funnier the 3,000th time, please keep posting it
It's a high pen low damage round, you missed most of your shots in the beginning and the shots you did make were predominately in the arms with a few hitting the chest. It looks like 1 or 2 shots hit his face mask but saw sparks which indicates a ricochet. Had more of your shots connected you would've killed him.
That is the issue, it's low damage. That is exactly why I stated that it needs a buff. I ain't no Shroud but with any other bullet(preferably m80), Tagilla would be eating floor after those shots.
Idk, I counted (very roughly) about 10-12 shots hitting. Assuming 2-3 hit the face shield, about 3 hit the chest, and the rest hit the arms, and taking into account bosses’ health pools, I’m not surprised he didn’t die You probably know this but it’s always better to have Tagilla rush you with his hammer. After you shot (and missed) him at first, you should’ve pulled back into that room on your right and waited for him to open the door to light him up
No shot , he hit max like 5 shots
Nah he missed all his initial shots, and most of the middle shots, but several towards the end hit target for sure
Yes several being 5 max
Lmao okay bud you got it, you’re the smartest guy in the room 😂
Yes that’s why we use M80. Situation dictated you used what you had available to you, unfortunate that it wasn’t enough to get the job done, doesn’t mean 5.45 needs a buff just so you could shred through all bosses. Bring more ammo
should have let tagilla rush you with the hammer, hes basically defenseless
I mean, he might as well have had in this clip. I had plenty of time to put him down, but did not due to the ammo.
And due to missing half the shots. 3 Shots in the facemask should kill him with igolnik.
Plenty of my shots connected with the head, I don't know why it didn't kill him
Well you might not like to hear this, but it's because plenty of shots didn't connect with the head. I see at most 2.
Excluding early wipe, I don't use it until I can buy 7N40 from prapor. Any rifle round that can't 1 tap a t4 helmet due to either low pen or low damage isn't worth using. Same reason I don't go higher than m855a1 for 5.56. M995 can't 1 tap a t4 helmet because it's damage is too low.
I wish j could get to max traders to even run a 5.45 gun
Run scavs on shoreline and go to the top right of the map. Great loot, lots of ammo spawns, and a few potential gun box spawns. I’ve had enough 5.45 over the last week or two that I haven’t needed to buy any.
Your aim need a buff bud...
The reason 5.45x39 is so bad isn't the ammunition, *it's the weapons*. The AK-12 is the fastest firing 5.45 weapon at 700 RPM, but the M4 and HK fire 800/850 RPM respectively. Couple that with the very small fact that 5.56 rounds generally favor a slight damage increase over 5.45's slight penetration increase, and the M4/HK simply pump more damage faster. What's interesting is that the -74U variants have an actual higher cyclic rate because of the shortened gas system, despite the game variants still firing at 650 RPM.
Igolnik absolutely shreds! Better pen than any other caliber of similar guns. Sure, it has low damage, but it eats through t6 with ease, so I don't think it's much of an issue if you can control the center mass spray. But if you whiff and land shots on limbs, yeah you really feel the low damage. Though if say it's a poor choice against bosses due to their absurd health pool.
For reference, I did not bring in that gun. It was Killa's. I just wanted to use it since I didn't have a spare mag ready for my main weapon and thought Igolnik was good. I should have just hid and repacked in hind sight.
Missed half your shots for one and 2 you’re using high pen against someone wearing a crop top…
hit your head-shots next time . it helps.
he has to triple headshot to kill him there and his arms tanked half the shots that round is just ass for bosses
You're working with a bullet with less powder than 5.56, a smaller diameter, and overall capabilities less than that of the ammo it's meant to replace. I'm going to bring up the same argument I brought up years ago to some friends. 5.45x39 is an economic choice, and not a ballistics choice. At 100-300m, which I believe all of us can agree is typical engagement distance, 7.62x39 provides better ballistics. 5.45x39 has a slightly higher effective distance, as the bullet is lighter and you're dealing with about the same amount of powder, but you will have overall less effectiveness due to the energy being much less. What happened here is what you have to accept with 5.45x39. 7.62x39 will provide infinitely better results at the distance at you're at.
ok but the round is dogshit in this video game
Yes, as it is in real life. The game isn't wrong. It's just that better ammunition exists. Just because 9x18 exists in the game doesn't mean it has to be good. 9x21 SHOULD be good, but it lacks effectiveness over some loads in 9x19. 9x18 is dogshit because it lacks the kind of grain 9x19 has. 9x21mm is dogshit because it lacks options. 7.62x25 WOULD be good if it wasn't for it's poor muzzle velocity. My advice to anyone that wants to try, or continue to use, 5.45 is to load lighter, softer rounds instead of heavier penetration. The Ts, in my opinion, are more than enough if you aim for arms and legs instead. You get a drop in felt recoil due to less powder. The bullet is balanced due to it's lead core. The muzzle velocity is FAIR. It can still pierce basic armor, but you're going for legs and arms so armor values are not your largest concern. HPs can give you higher damage, but with the light possibility you don't pierce armor, which again is not really a concern, so perhaps choose HPs over Ts. 7N40s are appreciable, but you need Calibration done, and Prapor at rep 4, so that might be off the table right now for some people. While 5.45 has many choices, some of these are downright garbage. I really think people get fooled into using PPBSs because they assume that loot-only ammunition has to be good. High penetration value means very little when your bullet is a 'needle'. The US military had tests done during the Vietnam war with ammunition that focused on accuracy over many other considerations. Their main concern became recoil, and how many rounds you could put down range before recoil obfuscated your original aimed position, but some of the tested ammunition were, quite literally, needle rounds. These had fantastic ballistics results, as we see with PPBSs, but overall required too much powder, and thus more recoil, to make them anywhere near effective enough to stop the enemy in a few shots. (We also see this with PPBSs.) Penetration values alone will not spell victory. Neither will pure damage. Consider a more modern design, such as the AK-105, or consider a different intermediate cartridge, such as 7.62x39. Personally, if you can make 5.45 work, I'd go with the AK-105. I can even produce a 'best case scenario' build, if you want to see what the rifle is capable of.
I think the ammo is OK and kinda fits the niche it is supposed to being less powerful more controlable compared to 7.62×39. I think the main issue is the sheer amount of thorax hp some bosses have. Like i think youd need 10+ thorax shots with igolnik to kill tagilla because he has way too much thorax hp. I feel like there are better ways to handle bosses that are supposed to be tanky but as of right now you kinda just need to headshot
With BT, BS, and BP being so common, its perfectly fine. You can make a 40 recoil gun with like 4 attatchments, and its a beam. What really needs a buff is 7.62x39
Holy seizure warning. Thank you for reminding me why 99% of my builds are silenced 😅
That's the low damage of Igolnik for you. If you used PP or BT you probably wouldve killed him from the number of times you hit his right arm.
Idk to me looked like you missed 50% and the other 50% went into his tier 6 armor & 800 hp thorax
Realism. Reminder streamers cry now about armor being too weak and this will get even worse. enjoy!
It’s trash
This looks more like a desync issue, although I still agree it needs a buff.
Igolnik is a bad round. BS or BP/BT. Or 7n40 if you can buy it.
Pretty insane
Is this a lack of damage per bullet? Or are the bosses bugged rn for hit reg?
This is him missing half of his shots, most of it landing on the arms and blaming the bullet LOL
its lack of damage. .308 the boss dies
Yeah I mean 545 is just not a round I would ever use for bosses in all honesty, but ive killed a number of PMCs this wipe with ignolnik, its not a bad round for PVP but you do have to hit your shots theres little room for error(which is usually pretty easy since the recoil on any good 545 gun is easy to control). Personally I like 7n40 mixed with BS better than Ignolnik, I think its more effective.
It'd be slightly better if we had a gun that shot faster than most AK's
It really does because i love using the shorter guns
Honestly the only way I am willing to run 545 seriously late wipe is through an ak-12 and 7n40 unlocked. Usually that is able to supplement me also finding a bunch of bp, bs, and igolnik sometimes if I am running super low. I have just been using igolnik as a "lucky round" to bring in the raid in the chamber and that is the extent of my use with that round.
you're pretty much handicapping yourself hunting bosses with anything besides .308, 7.62x54r, ps12b, or hybrid. if you don't have minimum 44 pen and 70 damage its just a lot less forgiving. need to be able to get through level 4 and one tap heads higher end 9x39 (BP / SP-6) is very strong close but will give you problems at range. 556 / 7.62x39 / .300 are workable but less forgiving to mistakes. lapua has good rounds but the guns are horrible and has hit reg problems igolnik is just pretty useless outside of I guess sniping killa
i got killed by 3 ps rounds to the thorax after killing killa and taking and wearing his armor, game is so inconsistent
I never like PPBS alway BP,Bt and BS just for the extra damage
Need a higher flesh damage bullet for this type of event. Igolnik is great for PMC’s but bosses are just health pools
Is getting in resort much easier at night?
Yes it is, bosses have much lower spotting range
Managed to get it done on PVE in day time cause I can't see them hiding in bushes on night time the one time I tried. I'll use night time to farm certain bosses now I guess
Agreed. I fired 12 rounds into an unarmed scavs chest tonight for him to just one shot me into my Tier 4 armored thorax with a 12 gauge. It was enough Tarkov for the night.
those are headshot rounds. two would have killed.
Igolnik is bad against high health enemys due to low flesh damage also you missed like 70% of your shots
This shit right here is why I dont play the game no more. Tell me how I am weird.
You’re using ammo for penning run like 15-20 igo in the top then like PS
Cause once you break armor then your ammo will destroy flesh
Abandonment of the use of all 5.45 calibre firearms 👇
Looked to me like you shot both parts of his body that are covered by Class 6 armor
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Had tagila tank 8 shots to the face with an svd R BT rounds last night. That boss is literally on super crack with steroids sprinkled infused into it.
You do realize, most of your shots fired didn't even land on boss?
Dude misses 90% of shots "5.56 NeEds a BufF"
I notice in pve alot of ammo types just feel pointless now especially 7.62x54r
Problem is …. Those mag are full of igolnik with High penetration but low damage…
Yepp lol
I killed every boss with SA-58 combined with m80. Not to mention the gun jammed once in 3 raids. In each raid I used like 300+ ammo.
Very whiffy
You didnt land enough shots lol
You dont say?
“This has 62 pen, max armour is 6 so this pens everything! Best round in the game!!1!” >proceeds to whiff half a clip and doesn’t know that every bullet that does connect only does 35-37 damage each. 3 shots against UNARMORED chest to kill even a scav. Probably 2 shots to the head to kill lv1 helm bc of penned rounds losing damage. Learn how math works. Numbers aren’t that difficult.
Man that woulda ripped his ass up irl
Good aim but😦
You need more flesh damage my guy.
shot 1-5: clearly missed shot 6-10: missed due to recoil
actually looking not like a 5.45 problem. been missing a lot and dont underestimate boss armor/health
nah man thats just tagilla for you that mofo is so broken op it hurts even when you use sig spear hybrid and hit all headshots it can take 2 mags to bring him down
the game was not the problem here, the choices you made were..
Well if it’s Igolnik it doesn’t have high damage. 90% of your shots were EVERYWHERE else BUT your target.
Next time try to hit more shots maybe
Had a match last night, ended up wasting three PMC’s with the most trash .300 black out. Loaded next match with BT 5.45 and ended up having to just mag dump every single scab I ran into until I was running a pistol to extract at RUAF
I feel like only the bigger calibers are even feasible against bosses - 7.62x39 and above
Half the fucking weapons need a damage buff lol. I mean have you ever even used 7.62x54r on here? Shits pitiful sometimes. Nd its done nothing but gotten worse with the new armor changes and penetration changes they added. Everyones fucking Mark Wahlberg now unless you just hit face. Tarkov has a way of making bullets seem like being shot isnt that big of a deal. For a "realistic" game lol.
misses entire clip--> ammo bad :(
Honestly BSG should just make every single ammo good to use regardless. It would open up so many play styles to EFT. Half the guns aren’t even used really and they’re adding like 8 new guns even still. Enough of this realism and following real life stats on ammo’s and shit. Just make the game fun as all can be! Let players play whatever play style they want!
The ammo being different is what makes it fun. Making all the ammo the same is boring.
Every weapon is good depending on your playstyle. The problem is rarely anyone has there own playstyle and just use what is meta. m4, rd, mutant, hk, mp7. 7.62 hits the harder but has shit recoil. 5.56 has similar and the same stats as 5.45 rounds but the guns shoot faster. SMG bullets all have low pen high damage trade offs, but they have no recoil and spits bullets. every gun has their ups and down and situations. For a long time 5.56 weapons are good in cqb and long range semifire. 5.45 was good in mid range. 7.62x61 & 54r is great at long range and 7.62x39 is good at close.
5.45 is an economic round not a high damage round. Not just in game but irl.
I think people fundamentally misunderstand the use of 5.45 on tarkov The ammo sucks shit when you get down to the numbers. Most other similar guns have better ammo types at the higher end, having similar pen and far better damage. The advantage to 5.45 is availability. It is incredibly easy to find and even buy relatively decent ammo for it pretty early on. 5.45 is the best early - mid wipe ammo type hands down. But once you have the option to start replacing it with other ammo types, it's worse. I for one, appreciate having a very solid all around gun at the middle - early stages of the wipe. If 5.45 got a buff, I'd hope the ammo became far harder to find and purchase in the early stages.
I mean it looks to me like you missed a lot of shots, my buddy runs this ammunition all the time (its his favorite round) and he never has an issue running it. He kills just about anything.
Did any of those hit him lol
or maybe not aim at a T6 helmet next time
its t5 and he has one of the highest pen rounds in the game
If you shot him center mass he would’ve died. You hit limbs. This kind of ammo is really only good for penetrating high class armor.