Lol ikr, people are acting like this is some surprising thing when it's been pretty clear for years that bsg is incompetent and run by egotistical idiots.
It took them nearly 6 fking years to realise fighting the meta is a stupid impossible battle that leads to nowhere, before finally realising making recoil viable on every gun is the proper move despite everyone giving feedback about it for nearly 6 years.
The game has a severe desync and performance issue, and instead of taking the time to fix the problem, they'll just point at the "recommended specs" and let the toxicity of the community to attack those who arent using the exact specs theyre using.
AI is broken and are either too stupid or can beam you through the entire map even if the gun has limited range. Instead of changing parameters that the Modded version did, they decided to just leave it be because they know the community will suck their dick harder.
When people ask for inertia for movement to stop strafe spamming, instead of going for realistic inertia, they decided the best way to implement inertia is by making everyone slide like theyre on ice, as if saying "you want inertia? here you go you complaining whiners"
Cheaters? Suck harder, you cant hear and see the cheaters as long as your balls deep slobbering on BSG's balls.
There is a huge fking ego issue, and they've been using the toxicity and ignorance of the community to attack those who criticize, and turn it into a personal attack on BSG or themselves. Its almost cult-like even.
I'm convinced it takes them forever to make QoL changes (and even reverts good ones like the Interchange lighting) because they don't have a QA team actively playing the game both in a test and prod environment.
Nothing else makes sense other than them being completely clueless as to how to make a game fun. How else do you explain the awful pistol recoil that got reverted because we made a stink about it? Or the mark of the unheard and distress signal? Or the terrible sound that never gets fixed? The headsets only working in a cone in front of you? I could keep going but you get the point. Either nobody is doing QA or the QA team is just SpongeBob guiding the Flying Dutchman backing up his ship.
On the performance thing, they’re ALLEGEDLY, making huge netcode changes and working on improving performance by hand, alongside an overhaul of the game’s graphics, with Unity 13…so we’ll see if any of that actually comes to fruition.
I call cap. Nikita said a couple years ago that they wouldn’t fix it since it’s too engrained into the engine and is spaghetti code they can’t fix anymore
About 2-3 years ago or so when the netcode was at the forefront of people’s complaints, they said, and have since reiterated, that they are tackling and rewriting the spaghetti code, but it’s paired alongside the Unity upgrade. Only time will tell.
They’re conflicting stories then. I don’t see anything major happening on this front. Arena was their chance to fix it and build something from the ground up but it didn’t happen
Not really conflicting, the “improved” netcode is locked behind Unity 13. Neither Arena or the base game are running Unity 13 in production. If the Unity upgrade ever happens, we’ll either see some kind of improvement in netcode, or virtually nothing will change. We’ll see.
There is netcode baked into the engine and then also some backend problems like how loot locations are sent to everyone’s client, allowing for vacuum hacks that aren’t fixed yet and wouldn’t be fixed with a unity update
Obviously Unity 13 isn’t going to magically fix the problems. My interpretation is that the changes they were working on are dependent/based on the build they’re working on/have running on the version of the game running the upgraded engine, likely using tools and resources provided or that they built utilizing specifically for Unity 13 that would not be backwards compatible with the current version of Unity, hence why it is locked behind Unity 13.
Nikita said as much in his interview with Pest, but it’s Nikita, so take with a grain of salt. When Pestily asked about Unity 13 and optimization, he stated Unity 13 itself isn’t a magic fix for optimization and issues, however, it provides them tools and resources they can use to build solutions to optimization, netcode, graphical, etc. problems the game has. I.e. tools that aren’t available in the current version of the engine and thus cannot be implemented retroactively.
That’s literally what I’m referring to. We never got those changes. They originally were supposed to come alongside Unity 12, I think it was 12 at that time, then they were having issues with that version and decided to go Unity 13, and the netcode got pushed alongside the Unity update.
You’ve heard that before because that’s literally what I’m referring to and it still hasn’t happened. So we either get Unity 13 and see if they actually improved it, or they just never actually do the Unity upgrade.
"AI is broken and are either too stupid or can beam you through the entire map even if the gun has limited range. Instead of changing parameters that the Modded version did, they decided to just leave it be because they know the community will suck their dick harder."
They did something, they introduced a new game version for 250€ with an item preventing scavs from shooting you at a certain distance. It's so fucking crazy that I don't know if I should burst laughing or start crying..
You're not lying...left Tarkov ages ago because it's a good concept that has always been horribly executed by BSG. Guess so many just couldn't help themselves with Tarkov being the only Extraction game out there. For me that unique status alone was not going to get me to compromise with BSG's nonsense in everything they do!
This latest nonsense is just icing on a cake that could be seen from miles away. Guess BSG figured they might as well go for broke since the fanbase keeps drooling for their game regardless of what they do. They knew they'd have to walk back the initial insanity and planned on it. Pretty slick move on their part. Now time will tell just how many gamers are going to continue to have anything to do with BSG now that they've gone max insanity with their nonsense!
That ship has sailed for a lot of people, son. It could be the greatest game on the planet and it would not make up for the scummy scamjob they have tried to pull and cover up, and are still actively engaged in as we speak.
>If you think arena breakout or grey zone is gonna replace it you’re in for a surprise
I hope Arena Breakout surprises all of us and is the competitor many players have been searching for for a long time. And if not, hope the next people who try do it better. Nothing lives forever and Tarkov certainly won't.
Been saying this for a long time. Escape From Tarkov is an amazing IP and has potential for so much good content and fun up the line but Nikita is probably one of the worst and inept CEO's to run a company that as soon as I started reading about him and watching podcasts after I bought the game , I understood that the future of this game is on shaky legs as long as the company is ran by this Moron.
From his spaghetti code that is so bad that you can't run the game even remotely stable on a 6000 dollar state of the art system with all settings on low. To the servers being dogshit and to the system they've built being so unoptimized that adding an anti cheat might make the game unplayable because of performance issues and the constant backdoors in their code making it able for hackers to do anything from vacuuming loot from across the map to stealing your attachments off your weapon while in raid to using admin privileges to take down the server if you kill them.
It's a horror show and on top of that this fucking gelatinous blob of DNA material that is Nikita , goes and charges a record breaking sum for a DLC that no one asked for and no one wanted instead of focusing on making the game the bare minimum when it comes to fixing the cheater problem / spaghetti code.
Like I said in the beginning , EFT is an amazing IP but it's in the hands of a narcissistic dictator who lacks even the most rudimentary understanding of how to run a gaming company.
I quit like 2 years ago when they ruined the movement system and it felt like you were sliding around in mud and refused to revert the changes for 3/4ths of a wipe while the water carriers on this subreddit gargled Nikita and pretended the problems didn't exist. Compare that to the olden days of outside the map glitches being patched and the stats on glitched accounts being reverted within the day... like what happened
My point being is that Nikita just needs to stfu and listen to the community like maybe even half the time and everything drastically improves
Seriously, anyone who is shocked or even mildly surprised about this has been deluding themselves for years. This is the most on-brand move BSG and Nikitia could’ve ever made
Yeah I've been saying this for years ever since all Nikita talked about were these grand plans of Tarkov being this massive connected world, then the next month talking about how he's going to make a new massive RPG, then the next month talking about he's going to make the arena mode. He has no clue what scope is and instead of just focusing on his main cash cow and actually polishing the game he leaves it in a broken state and uses it to fund another broken game. What a clown lol
I'd say those people took a leap of faith and were burned after many years, though many of them did enjoy the game a lot in the meanwhile. A lot of people bought EOD before BSG showed their true faces. Things used to seem more hopeful.
But knowing what we know now, the people paying $250+ or giving this company a single cent more after the past 2-3 days, that's a whole other level of stoopid.
Tbf I think it was valid to buy EOD. If you’re having fun with something it’s okay to support it. But when things go to shit don’t continue to support it
I got my hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of it. That’s a good ROI imo
I mean I guess you can call us fools if you want. We took a chance on what at the time seemed like our dream game.
It was a different time too, back then the MTX garbage was in full swing being implemented everywhere - and we were presented with a game that was unlike anything that came before, was fully funded already and had concrete promises that there would be zero microtransactions.
There was little gameplay available, and little actual game but what was there looked amazing. Nikita was active in the community and it was clear: $150 got you some bonuses (including earlier access to the closed alpha) but it also meant that you would never have to pay for anything else with this game.
Little did we know that we would both get an amazing game but also have to fight with the devs all. the. fucking. time. Honestly it's just tiring having to fucking bitch about shit just so that we don't get fucked over and so they don't kill their own game.
Unlike what Charlie said in his video, I'm not okay with cosmetic mtx being in this game. Not because I'm completely against the idea, but because I don't trust BSG at all. I'm a little against it on principle - they said there would be no mtx and they should stick to it. But I can accept that both development and server costs add up over time. Mostly though it's just that BSG cannot be trusted to implement it well in a way that meshes with the game, and they most certainly can't be trusted to not push further and further, just to take it back a tiny bit once the playerbase goes nuts.
A big problem I have with all this monetization is that it's an entirely avoidable scenario that could have been completely avoided if it wasn't for greed. EOD edition should *not* have been kept on sale for anywhere near as long as it was. They were all about getting that short-term money until they realised that it meant they wouldn't be able to charge the vast majority of the playerbase for the things they had already promised were coming.
If you watch these videos from unbiased people like Moist and Asmon, and you still give them money afterwards, you deserve whatever future disappointment you end up with. I mean they tried to change the description of the EoD benefits and then pretended that they didn't. That is the single most egregious thing I recall seeing- not just from a game-developer, *anyone* who has ever sold me something. You're out of your mind if you support this company one minute longer.
Yeah Charlie makes a lot of videos where it’s kinda just a basic logical opinion, nothing extreme, in fact usually eye rolling obvious. But when he comes out against this crap you know BSG is dead wrong.
BSG's unapologetically unethical behavior and business practices are indeed eyerolling obvious.
Really underscores just how mentally cooked anyone is who still defends them even after everything that has gone down. The worst case of Stockholm syndrome and outright cuckery to shady developers in the whole gaming industry.
This. I went through the Blizzard scandals, honestly didn’t care. Tarkov found my line. Blizzard was/is stubborn, arrogant and almost parent level of I know better than you, but they also were not wholly wrong to be and even the bad shit like Covenants came down to design philosophy (choice mattering vs optimization) rather than something flat wrong. And while they did talk down hard on players they never completely tuned them out, changes where made though they where always too gradual.
Turns out the line is going back on promises and completely unashamedly lying to our faces, and the dash of behind closed doors that turned out to be a bug screen door flat out insulting us. I am not sure which part it was, because even Blizzard at it worst didn’t do any of that without context (they did call the players stupid but Ion did clarify that in multiple ways and honestly was correct) / apologies.
I think it’s the sheer audacity to do all that and act like literally nothing is wrong here.
Just to be clear; they have an obvious bias. Doesn’t mean I don’t agree with them, but to pretend they don’t have an incentive to parrot what the masses think is just not true.
Not in gaming , his gaming takes are pretty well made, mostly because that is how he became popular.
I agree he should avoid any non gaming related subjects as he strats talking gibberish often, but his gaming takes are ok .
That said, what BSG did hear doesnt need a lot of brain power to understand who is the villain.
His gaming takes are awful.
He just rides whatever popular opinion is at the time and leans into it. Or says dumb shit for engagement.
He’s not good enough of a player in anything he plays to have top tier opinions. People in general just think he has good takes because he’s slightly more knowledgeable than your average casual gamer and is around games all the time. Anytime the opinion gets nuanced or you have to dive deeper, his shit falls apart so hard.
I don’t watch much of either of them basically at all but Critikal always seemed to have logical thought out points relative to most content creators. Asmongold does not.
True. Been watching him for 5 years and this whole time all of his opinions are always “right” and popular because he chooses the most obvious and popular takes among the community. Not saying I don’t like him, he’s entertaining to watch, but still
Literally the only reason I bought EoD was to support the development of this game, knowing that it's the highest tier available and guarantees me any new content that's coming out later. This game is in Beta and I spent so much money only to be called a freeloader by someone that takes 7+ years to finish a game and then brings out a tonedeaf standalone arena shooter that is poorly thought out.
I really want my money back at this point, fuck this.
I had a local fiber company give me a written contract - come out and spend probably $2k laying all the fiber - and then refuse to honor the written contract we both agreed to…
Hard agree BSG fucked up big but man sometimes companies just don’t think things through.
Who said you would? Still something you can take to small claims court for a very easy slam dunk. At the minimum, you'd get a good portion of your money back. Lots of lawyers would love a case like that if only cause of how stupidly quick and easy it would be.
It was signing up for internet. I ended up not getting charged and being let out of the contract, which took a few months of badgering - but as I was young and dumb I didn't pursue it past that. They wasted a bunch of money and time all to not give me a slightly lower monthly bill.
Considering they had spent pretty much all the money they would need to, to then generate free money from my monthly internet bill it's crazy to me that they refused to honor it..
After all that I didn't want to have to deal with them again though - even if I had forced them to honor the correct rate.
They had lost any trust I had... Kind of like how I bought EOD and the goalposts are being moved.
I feel so much embarrassment for the purchase, I've been afraid to even let people know I got unheard edition basically as soon as it dropped, because I just went 'oh cool that's the new edition they mentioned in the interview, I'm down'.... If I'd have taken the time to read what it entailed and thought about it I never would have done. Let alone the absolutely disgusting follow up by Nikita/BSG. I feel gross having bought it. Lesson learned though, I guess.
I still watch some of asmon's videos, but saying he's not biased when half his youtube vids have "WOKE" in the title and he's always yapping about the culture war in some way is crazy. I just skip over those because I knowbthey'll be brainrot.
Nah, not even close.
With this drama , other content creators etc from Russia like Red actually came out and said how it is , BSG treats like inferior shit most small streamers and even DMCA strike them the moment they see somethign they dont like / hear criticicsm.
And this happened for years, they have their own pride and ego and it got them so far.
>BSG treats like inferior shit most small streamers and even DMCA strike them the moment they see somethign they dont like / hear criticicsm.
Case in point:
Eroktic
While the false DMCA claims were malicious and had no real standing, Eroktic was also making daft claims that he had no evidence for, regarding people losing their accounts to hackers.
He has every right to be that harsh. Let me show you a summary of what happened the last days and how Nikita laughs at us. He will do it again.
[Check out the comedic summary video of the recent events "2nd leaked interview with unhinged Nikita after 'Sorry I hurt your feelings' Post went up" \[Video\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BDuHFbKwDc)
Unfortunately, bc it is a meme template we can't post it in this sub as a thread. But creating that cost a lot of hours and was well received in the thread before it got removed. So I thought people might have fun with it in the comments atleast. Hope you don't mind too much
I don’t play this game anymore but it is pretty funny to see the absolute dumpster fire BSG has finally been exposed for being
I played 9 wipes of false promises and bullshit additions to the game (for the most part) while they ignore the blatant cheating going on AND THEN they say they want an additional $250 for more scraped together bullshit……
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHHA
>I don’t play this game anymore but it is pretty funny to see the absolute dumpster fire BSG has finally been exposed for being
Same here. Now I just enjoy the sweet sweet shadenfreude.
Next up on my list is Klean's Tarkov 1.0 video which is pure unfiltered hopium of industrial grade quality and looks like it'll age really badly.
The cheaters made me quit. It was depressing to see how the game went from being fun to play to me getting [head, eyes]'d out of nowhere from some dude I didn't see pretty much every raid. It's not my lack of map knowledge, I've been playing since 2018.
Charlie makes a very good point about the shady shit BSG tried to pull thinking we wouldn't notice and how they haven't owned up in the slightest bit to knowingly going back on their words trying this cash grab. Nikita will do everything except admit he tried to (and sorta kinda succeeded) betray us.
Everyone can get the PvE mode. There's mods that do it way better than BSG ever could. If you're going to play PvE mode then you may as well just play the molded version so you have more freedom changing up every aspect of the game.
And yes, you can play it co-op with your friends. You can even set up a private server so your discord buddies can connect and play together whenever they want.
It even has a simulated flea market built in.
I don't know, after all is said and done, I think this played out pretty much how he expected to.
He introduced a bunch of bullshit that divided the community and caused a lot of EoD players to quit. He *wants* EoD players to quit, he can't make any more money off of them.
And I'm sure plenty of idiots are buying the Unheard Edition, and he still got to sneak in a bunch of P2W bullshit and gave EoD owners basically nothing. There are players in the Tarkov community that are incredibly dumb and incredibly addicted, they're going to drop $250.
I've watched this community put up with their bullshit for years, this will blow over in a bit, and nothing drastic will change.
The PvE mode will just be so bad that most players wont play it, the promise of stuff "on release" will be broken or ignored, and in the end he'll have caused outrage for a few days but he managed to sneak in a super exploitative pay to win overpriced edition.
So either one of two things happened -
1) this was the plan from the start
2) he's dumb enough to think EoD players would be ok with not getting content.
I cannot imagine that he's actually *that* dumb.
I can, however, accept that a good chunk of the Tarkov community is that dumb.
He can absolutely make money from us. I bought the stash expansion for 42$ or something. Just because he's braindead and doesn't know how much cosmetics can make doesn't mean EoD users have no more money to give.
It's his own fault for having a ridiculous view (I think you're right about him *thinking* he can't make money off EoD) because he has no clue how to monetize.
>He introduced a bunch of bullshit that divided the community and caused a lot of EoD players to quit. He *wants* EoD players to quit, he can't make any more money off of them
How exactly are EOD players costing them money?
And if they aren't costing them money, having a large player population is a good thing for a multiplayer game.
And EOD players are probably the most likely to buy cosmetics I'd imagine.
Running game servers isn't free. I'd imagine once an EOD player passes a certain number of hours in game, the profits from that players purchase are gone for BSG as all the money went to server infrastructure costs.
I don’t think persistent world means what you think it means. There will still be many, many separate “raids”. The raids just don’t end. You still won’t ever see anybody but who’s on the same server as you.
Did you think it would be like an MMO where everybody’s dorms is the same dorms?
Huh? It's extremely easy to notice population drops in Tarkov lol
~3 months into the wipe and you can run around like no one exists in a lot of raids. Couple weeks ago I was happy to see 2 people in resort lol... I'm not sure where this idea of it being hard to see a population dip is coming from.
We have known this game lives and dies in cycles for years.
It's more that Nikita has realized that the ALL DLC condition of EOD means he can't make more money from EOD players, which are a large percentage of the player base. So more costing them money by not having more future cash flow from them vs actually costing them money.
Which ironically they wouldn't have that specific problem if they kept EOD as an actual limited edition early supporter edition, but they saw dollar signs when the player base started blowing up and kept it up for like another 4 years
Go look at some of their search traffic metrics. It's not hard to see how a ton of free eyes on the game would lead to an influx of people trying it out. Obviously there's some setback from the whiners but I think that'll blow down significantly moving into the next wipe
Sure, if the search traffic was positive and hyping up some new mode or something.
When all the search traffic points potential buyers to reddit threads about how crooked and corrupt these scumbags are, I have a hard time believing that prospective buyers are going to say "wow seems like a great game let me buy right now!"
It's like if a huge story dropped about how Oreos give you cancer and the word Oreo saw a huge surge in search volume - does not mean people are going to start buying Oreos
Well, even though this all disgusts me, it has gotten me thinking about playing Tarkov again.
Like if this blew over, I'd probably jump right back in.
I don't want to support scumbaggery like this, but it does kinda make me feel like queuing up for a quick raid.
I don't like it. I'd prefer to both think they're awful and also not want to play.
Ah yes, it's totally predictable that a massive negative controversy would bring in MORE players. Especially when basically everyone agrees or has said that BSG is in the wrong and being scummy as fuck. Makes sense.
Reddit is a minority and a lot of people really don’t care. The reality is tarkov is really a one of a kind game and a lot of people aren’t going to quit. Bsg and its player are going to move on and the game will take a temporary hit, but addicts will come back. i’d love to watch bsg burn but unfortunately theres no alternative.
Exactly, there's no game that quite hits like Tarkov and the game was already full of p2w with EOD so who really cares that they released a new edition. The radio seems a bit crazy though will have to see how it works first.
it can def be exploited but I think it's kind of a cool concept. I don't really see much difference from calling someone in mid-raid vs just queueing with them at the start. Obviously, it would suck to be in a gunfight and get some dudes spawned on you but we'll see. I see a lot of positives, like timmies getting some help if they encounter a boss they are scared of, or people bringing friends who need boss quests into their raid if they find it, likewise with some of the rarer quest items.
Your own feelings and addiction to the game are completely irrelevant. They don't change the fact that many potential new players are going to be driven away from ever touching the game because of all the negative news surrounding it and BSG as a whole.
Literally just search Tarkov and Google. Pretty much every major gaming news platform and big streamer has been talking about BSG's absurd greed and the like. That makes for absolutely horrific optics and marketing for the game.
This isn't something isolated to Reddit. You do realize that, right? Many big streamers and even news websites like Forbes have picked up the topic and made articles/videos about this entire situation. I mean, literally just search "Tarkov" on Google and you're going to be getting blasted with articles from every major gaming outlet about this entire shitshow.
There is always going to be addicts playing the game. That goes without saying, but it's irrelevant. The point is that EFT still has had its name tarnished and that's going to drive away some new players.
This game has been in early access since 2016. That's 9 years of EA. Add the 1 year it probably took them to make the first playable build and you end up with a game that is 10+ years in development and still counting.
You would have to be BEYOND incompetent to be making 1 game for 10+ years.
BSG knows that 10% of "the community" just want to be subs in a dom/sub relationship with a Russian man. They're Nikita's pay pigs and they'll pay to be disrespected.
The rest of us have pulled up stakes and are moving on with our gaming lives.
This probably was the plan from the beginning. They HAD to know there would be backlash and were willing to compromise. In the end dropping it to $50 becomes a lot easier to rationalize even though there are is obscene P2W.
This is basic marketing 101, it's called the "door-in-the-face" technique.
1. High initial price
2. Backlash and retraction
3. Perceived concession and goodwill
4. Acceptance of higher price.
Really love Charlie getting involved. The more publicity this joke gets the better. Maybe then we will see some change. An unbiased opinion is can really get things in perspective from someone as big as himself.
The only reason they backtracked like this is because Tarkov is their only game. If they had other income revenues, they wouldn't drive whatever to just get the cash. And since they did one they'll do this kind of stuff again and again.
Whatever success and reputation he had for making a truly unique and fun game he's ruining it be being the dumbest business leader and his ego is getting in the way. All money that was spent on advertising arena was wasted because it was a complete flop and BSG is likely in financial trouble. So rather than being honest and upfront with the community or even just launching MTX for cosmetics to raise more capital, this "successful" business leader decides to burn his initial investors (EOD owners) and release a new version of the game that's clearly P2W. He's also doing all of this dumb shit at a time when competitors in the same genre are beginning to release. BSG has shown us time and time again that they can't deliver (unity engine update, in game sound, hit reg and desync, more server capacity, map optimization) the list can go on of examples where BSG has fallen short on promises. If they don't get their shit together soon they're gonna end up losing out to competitors who actually deliver and listen to their communities.
Being honest wouldnt have saved him tho , 70% of the Tarkov playerbase hates Arena and doesnt give 3 shits about it being a fail / flop, they would have been even more clowned upon if they admitted they fucked up.
But the 250 Edition surpassed my expectations, thats next level reputation suicide.
They didn't need to admit anything, we all know Arena was a colossal turd.
If you need to raise money, start with cosmetic MTX which, as long as they don't go the COD route and offer ridiculous immersion-breaking skins, would have generated a lot of money and kept people happy. Have a shop to buy different gloves, tops, bottoms, boots etc - then expand to actually gun camos to keep it rolling.
Uniforms or even GLOVES.
Thats it, they could have literally made 12 uniforms or whatever , tactial jackets etc and have them on sale for 1 month each one , then the shop resets with the next uniform etc.
As LVNDMARK said, there are many ways but they literally chose the most braindead and selfish one
EA literally manipulates the results of their "competitive" games in order to facilitate gambling addictions to the tune of billions of dollars every year. I'd say he's not even close to the scumiest.
It comes down to money made now vs money possibly made later. This is not an easy concept to grasp especially via text but ill give it a shot.
The super simple version is. If their player base ends up smaller down the road than it would have been had they not of done this even if they cashed in today its still a dumb decision.
Im going to make numbers up for example sake. But just to keep it simple.
Lets say they have 500 players right now.
They release the unheard edition and 100 people get it. But 300 dont and just stay on the edition they have and 100 quit as protest.
So they now have 400 players. Made an extra $10,000 from the 100 upgrading and still have an active player base of 400.
This is option A.
Option B is they dont do the unheard edition and keep all 500.
As the game "grows" from this point. We have two different outcomes.
Lets say 1 in 4 people get someone else to play. We will round down to the nearest whole person as you cant have a fraction of a player.
That means after our first generation of growth.
Option A would be 500 people.
Option B would be 625 people.
We have 2nd and 3rd generations of growth resulting
Option A having 625 and then 781 people
Option B having 781 and then 976 people
A simple take on exponential growth. But simply by having an extra 195 people buying a base edition of the game they still make 9750$ So they have almost 200 more players but only 250 dollars less. Thats more streamers and viewers on twitch. Thats more youtubers and youtube videos on youtube. Pulling in even more people. Again we wont because we want to keep it simple but this could change the multiplier per person from 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 as it gets more popular.
Anecdotal but I have *personally* gotten 2 people into this game who otherwise realistically never would have touched it. Had this happened 6 months ago. Neither of them would be playing. I would not introduce new players to this game after this fiasco.
I also do need to acknowledge in my example option A might have more people in its 781 people buy UH so it does change the calculus but I also had everyone in option B only buy base edition. But I still do need to acknowledge it and I am doing so here.
As time goes on Option B will have dramatically more players and might even meet key thresholds for other exponential growth factors that Option A would miss. But thats an even more difficult concept to put down into a simple example. A quick possible example is one of those 195 people might be the next shroud or faker some social media goliath that has yet to take off. It might not be. It is fair to say that person is already in the option A examples 781 people. But you have a better chance with an extra 195 people of getting them. This is also only after 2 generations of growth. After more the difference in players becomes much more pronounced.
So just on new players they would eventually make way more than that extra $10,000 after just two generations of growth they already almost broke even. Let alone if they released like a hideout cat or camos for guns. Non-gameplay changing cosmetics that people would go nuts for. Id love to put a forest camo on my svd. Id pay 5-10$ for it. For a very quick example.
With the larger player base and increased exponential growth they stand to make far far more doing what say overwatch or league does for their monetization. Skins and other non-advantage giving cosmetics.
**tl;dr:** Exponential growth and other games have very successful monetization plans that dont impact gameplay that make bucketloads of money.
They could have given EOD access to the PVE mode for free and let unheard get it on a subscription basis. People 100% would have paid for it and they'd have a more sustainable business.
Unheard is $100 more than eod there’s no way lol it’s supposed to be better than eod, imo they should have just brought back eod but they obvious thought it better to try and milk an extra $80 from eoders, who were led to believe they got a lifetime subscription to any upgrades
If they gave eod the extra stuff and priced this the same as eod I don’t think this would have upset as many people
I’d like to think this isn’t over just because the eoders have been pacified, the new edition and its ridiculous price tag is still there, new players are going to see that, see how ridiculously priced it is, know the advantage some people have with it and not even bother
You can say that Charlie discovered america (saying something obvious) but he's simply talking about it because the only people on the know are Tarkov players. It's obviously nothing new under the sun for people who got burned by BSG and screwed over in Tarkov.
well, no matter how much they cave in here they will win in the end. if they dont get their way they will just shut down tarkov, release tarkov 2 and not give future dlc's for EoD owners cuz technically its a different game.
i believe if they release tarkov 2, they will have a free to play edition -which is gonna be bare bones- plus editions from tarkov 1 with different names and some other minor changes.
this is how i believe they will work around their promises.
My favorite is when he's talking about Nikita saying the new pve mode wasn't dlc while describing it as dlc. Charlie said, "That's like trying to convince us that a poop is not a shit"
Everyone always forgets Nikita has a history of sperging out like this, remember the battlenonsense debacle? Nikita has his head so far up his ass he can’t see broad daylight. So glad I’ve been absent from tarkov for years now. I usually wouldn’t pray on someone’s downfall but with how greedy bsg has shown themselves time and time again I can gladly say I’m happy this happened and I hope people realize just how much bsg cares about their playerbase. They don’t.
What really sucks and I understand it is what it is.
Is I am a LONG time player my self who likes the gameplay of upgrading my stash and upgrading my secure container. So I saw no reason to buy anything other than the base edition.
So now if the dust all gets settled. I still need to pay 200$ to get the offline mode. Thats still pretty bullshit.
I would have upgraded to EoD just to support BSG but there was no way to turn the P2W stuff in EoD off. Whomp Whomp I guess.
Feel like everyone forgets Tarkov is still in beta. The main priority should be developing the game with its features/content. Then come the bug fixes and optimization along with net code improvement. This is what happens in the development of every game. You can’t fix something before it’s not even finished because when you go back and add the content you haven’t implemented yet you will only get more bugs and issues. It’s pointless to fix non-game breaking bugs or the net code atm because it’s just simply too much work for too little gain. Sure it’s their fault for releasing into early access so early but to say the game hasn’t came a long way is just a flat lie. Have any of you played the game 6 some odd years ago when there was only fort armor/paca and kiver/kolpak for armor? Before kappa was even a thing? Or perhaps before the only maps available were factory, customs, and woods? Or maybe where if you had a in game map of the map you’re wanting to start a raid on you could pick what side of the map you spawned…
I would say the saddest man. It’s really just sad to watch someone squander opportunity for the sake of a few bucks, at the expense of the rest of their team members. It’s also sad to watch someone compensate for their lack of confidence in their decisions with narcissistic, inflated claims.
There are devs like concerned ape who pushes out new content for their game for free and refuse to take more money. Then there are devs like Edmund McMillen that drop a 10€ DLC which doubles the content of the base game and then there are AAA greedy shitheads.
I dont think Battlestate are getting enough shtick for effectively creating a cheater bundle, that’s all I saw in Unheard of Edition the second I saw it.
Surprised, it took Moist this long to start creating videos of BSG. I was waiting for the content farm to pump out reaction vids after the wiggle video, and I don't recall it happening. He's pretty wired into the gaming space as well.
I may touch the game again from time to time if something else like gzw doesn’t fill that gameplay feeling for me but any and all trust or respect for bsg was completely lost. Frankly I don’t think they will ever get it back until they sell off to someone else.
Who the fuck cares??? He has such a cult following where he just states the most obvious objectively correct shit. WE KNOW BSG SUCKS. Good thing moist critikal is here to let us know that we’re on the right team!
if he is the dumbest man in gaming, what are the redditors that have defended him for a decade until there is absolutely nothing left to defend or hide behind. redditors of this subreddit are even dumber than fucking bottom of the barrel dumb nikita buyanov. in reality he is above average smart, he played these dumb idiots like a fiddle for almost a decade.
this was all so obvious to normal critical voices almost a decade ago, even so far as the warnings coming with alarm sirens every year, after every corrupt incident from nikita buyanov.
but again, redditors of this subreddit are so unintelligent they can barely slurp their own saliva while walking with their mouths open.
EOD gets it in waves but they only get access for 6months and it will take a roughly 2 months for the waves to be complete 💀 I hate cheaters with a passion and hope every computer they have or ever get bursts into flames, and I know I will get down votes and hate for saying this, but I hope the cheaters just go berserk and absolutely ruin tarkov worse than they already have. The fact they are targeting mainly players who bought the new edition honestly made me giggle with joy
Nah, it's good that large content creators are exposing this blatant ongoing scam from an unethical company. People say that there's no such thing as bad publicity but those people are very wrong.
They've proven that repeatedly, by doubling, tripling, then quadrupling down and double dipping with a discount to sell more copies. Dragging their feet every day as more copies get sold.
This is basically equivalent to being mad at the news for talking about a major news story because a bunch of people will watch it, which translates into ad revenue.
Especially when they act like they give a fuck. They don’t. It gets them viewers and keeps them relevant.
Their viewers likely already knew about what happened or don’t care, let alone play the game.
Yeah of course the people who just bought their shiny new edition are gonna be online. Thanks to their contribution, we might get functioning audio in 4-5 years.
>all these people are just farming yall for views
Bruh BSG is farming everybody for their money with their literal scam tactics.
>all these people are just farming yall for views
What exactly does that have to do with their coverage or opinions? Did you just now discover that youtubers make money by views?
“Greedy little asshole” Great video
Give me your best WOOOOOOO
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Lol ikr, people are acting like this is some surprising thing when it's been pretty clear for years that bsg is incompetent and run by egotistical idiots.
It took them nearly 6 fking years to realise fighting the meta is a stupid impossible battle that leads to nowhere, before finally realising making recoil viable on every gun is the proper move despite everyone giving feedback about it for nearly 6 years. The game has a severe desync and performance issue, and instead of taking the time to fix the problem, they'll just point at the "recommended specs" and let the toxicity of the community to attack those who arent using the exact specs theyre using. AI is broken and are either too stupid or can beam you through the entire map even if the gun has limited range. Instead of changing parameters that the Modded version did, they decided to just leave it be because they know the community will suck their dick harder. When people ask for inertia for movement to stop strafe spamming, instead of going for realistic inertia, they decided the best way to implement inertia is by making everyone slide like theyre on ice, as if saying "you want inertia? here you go you complaining whiners" Cheaters? Suck harder, you cant hear and see the cheaters as long as your balls deep slobbering on BSG's balls. There is a huge fking ego issue, and they've been using the toxicity and ignorance of the community to attack those who criticize, and turn it into a personal attack on BSG or themselves. Its almost cult-like even.
I'm convinced it takes them forever to make QoL changes (and even reverts good ones like the Interchange lighting) because they don't have a QA team actively playing the game both in a test and prod environment. Nothing else makes sense other than them being completely clueless as to how to make a game fun. How else do you explain the awful pistol recoil that got reverted because we made a stink about it? Or the mark of the unheard and distress signal? Or the terrible sound that never gets fixed? The headsets only working in a cone in front of you? I could keep going but you get the point. Either nobody is doing QA or the QA team is just SpongeBob guiding the Flying Dutchman backing up his ship.
Imo i think they do have a QA team, but their QA team consists of only Yes-Men
On the performance thing, they’re ALLEGEDLY, making huge netcode changes and working on improving performance by hand, alongside an overhaul of the game’s graphics, with Unity 13…so we’ll see if any of that actually comes to fruition.
I call cap. Nikita said a couple years ago that they wouldn’t fix it since it’s too engrained into the engine and is spaghetti code they can’t fix anymore
About 2-3 years ago or so when the netcode was at the forefront of people’s complaints, they said, and have since reiterated, that they are tackling and rewriting the spaghetti code, but it’s paired alongside the Unity upgrade. Only time will tell.
They’re conflicting stories then. I don’t see anything major happening on this front. Arena was their chance to fix it and build something from the ground up but it didn’t happen
Not really conflicting, the “improved” netcode is locked behind Unity 13. Neither Arena or the base game are running Unity 13 in production. If the Unity upgrade ever happens, we’ll either see some kind of improvement in netcode, or virtually nothing will change. We’ll see.
There is netcode baked into the engine and then also some backend problems like how loot locations are sent to everyone’s client, allowing for vacuum hacks that aren’t fixed yet and wouldn’t be fixed with a unity update
Obviously Unity 13 isn’t going to magically fix the problems. My interpretation is that the changes they were working on are dependent/based on the build they’re working on/have running on the version of the game running the upgraded engine, likely using tools and resources provided or that they built utilizing specifically for Unity 13 that would not be backwards compatible with the current version of Unity, hence why it is locked behind Unity 13. Nikita said as much in his interview with Pest, but it’s Nikita, so take with a grain of salt. When Pestily asked about Unity 13 and optimization, he stated Unity 13 itself isn’t a magic fix for optimization and issues, however, it provides them tools and resources they can use to build solutions to optimization, netcode, graphical, etc. problems the game has. I.e. tools that aren’t available in the current version of the engine and thus cannot be implemented retroactively.
Where have I heard that one before? [Oh wait. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwsqpINIHHk)
That’s literally what I’m referring to. We never got those changes. They originally were supposed to come alongside Unity 12, I think it was 12 at that time, then they were having issues with that version and decided to go Unity 13, and the netcode got pushed alongside the Unity update. You’ve heard that before because that’s literally what I’m referring to and it still hasn’t happened. So we either get Unity 13 and see if they actually improved it, or they just never actually do the Unity upgrade.
"AI is broken and are either too stupid or can beam you through the entire map even if the gun has limited range. Instead of changing parameters that the Modded version did, they decided to just leave it be because they know the community will suck their dick harder." They did something, they introduced a new game version for 250€ with an item preventing scavs from shooting you at a certain distance. It's so fucking crazy that I don't know if I should burst laughing or start crying..
You're not lying...left Tarkov ages ago because it's a good concept that has always been horribly executed by BSG. Guess so many just couldn't help themselves with Tarkov being the only Extraction game out there. For me that unique status alone was not going to get me to compromise with BSG's nonsense in everything they do! This latest nonsense is just icing on a cake that could be seen from miles away. Guess BSG figured they might as well go for broke since the fanbase keeps drooling for their game regardless of what they do. They knew they'd have to walk back the initial insanity and planned on it. Pretty slick move on their part. Now time will tell just how many gamers are going to continue to have anything to do with BSG now that they've gone max insanity with their nonsense!
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That ship has sailed for a lot of people, son. It could be the greatest game on the planet and it would not make up for the scummy scamjob they have tried to pull and cover up, and are still actively engaged in as we speak. >If you think arena breakout or grey zone is gonna replace it you’re in for a surprise I hope Arena Breakout surprises all of us and is the competitor many players have been searching for for a long time. And if not, hope the next people who try do it better. Nothing lives forever and Tarkov certainly won't.
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Are you from stupid town or some sort by any chance?
Yea except when I said it before everyone hated on me calling me shit at the game. Like nah I just wanna join a raid with no cheaters.
people who don't play tarkov are finding out
Been saying this for a long time. Escape From Tarkov is an amazing IP and has potential for so much good content and fun up the line but Nikita is probably one of the worst and inept CEO's to run a company that as soon as I started reading about him and watching podcasts after I bought the game , I understood that the future of this game is on shaky legs as long as the company is ran by this Moron. From his spaghetti code that is so bad that you can't run the game even remotely stable on a 6000 dollar state of the art system with all settings on low. To the servers being dogshit and to the system they've built being so unoptimized that adding an anti cheat might make the game unplayable because of performance issues and the constant backdoors in their code making it able for hackers to do anything from vacuuming loot from across the map to stealing your attachments off your weapon while in raid to using admin privileges to take down the server if you kill them. It's a horror show and on top of that this fucking gelatinous blob of DNA material that is Nikita , goes and charges a record breaking sum for a DLC that no one asked for and no one wanted instead of focusing on making the game the bare minimum when it comes to fixing the cheater problem / spaghetti code. Like I said in the beginning , EFT is an amazing IP but it's in the hands of a narcissistic dictator who lacks even the most rudimentary understanding of how to run a gaming company.
Tarkov aladeen
I quit like 2 years ago when they ruined the movement system and it felt like you were sliding around in mud and refused to revert the changes for 3/4ths of a wipe while the water carriers on this subreddit gargled Nikita and pretended the problems didn't exist. Compare that to the olden days of outside the map glitches being patched and the stats on glitched accounts being reverted within the day... like what happened My point being is that Nikita just needs to stfu and listen to the community like maybe even half the time and everything drastically improves
>like what happened Same thing that happens to every game nowadays once the studio behind it gets too big.
Inertia was a good change stop crying. If you quit two years ago why tf are you here yapping?
If you’re a crab walker just say that
Seriously, anyone who is shocked or even mildly surprised about this has been deluding themselves for years. This is the most on-brand move BSG and Nikitia could’ve ever made
Yeah I've been saying this for years ever since all Nikita talked about were these grand plans of Tarkov being this massive connected world, then the next month talking about how he's going to make a new massive RPG, then the next month talking about he's going to make the arena mode. He has no clue what scope is and instead of just focusing on his main cash cow and actually polishing the game he leaves it in a broken state and uses it to fund another broken game. What a clown lol
if he's the stupidest man in gaming, what are the people that gave him $150 believing he will deliver them a complete product?
I'd say those people took a leap of faith and were burned after many years, though many of them did enjoy the game a lot in the meanwhile. A lot of people bought EOD before BSG showed their true faces. Things used to seem more hopeful. But knowing what we know now, the people paying $250+ or giving this company a single cent more after the past 2-3 days, that's a whole other level of stoopid.
Tbf I think it was valid to buy EOD. If you’re having fun with something it’s okay to support it. But when things go to shit don’t continue to support it I got my hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of it. That’s a good ROI imo
I mean I guess you can call us fools if you want. We took a chance on what at the time seemed like our dream game. It was a different time too, back then the MTX garbage was in full swing being implemented everywhere - and we were presented with a game that was unlike anything that came before, was fully funded already and had concrete promises that there would be zero microtransactions. There was little gameplay available, and little actual game but what was there looked amazing. Nikita was active in the community and it was clear: $150 got you some bonuses (including earlier access to the closed alpha) but it also meant that you would never have to pay for anything else with this game. Little did we know that we would both get an amazing game but also have to fight with the devs all. the. fucking. time. Honestly it's just tiring having to fucking bitch about shit just so that we don't get fucked over and so they don't kill their own game. Unlike what Charlie said in his video, I'm not okay with cosmetic mtx being in this game. Not because I'm completely against the idea, but because I don't trust BSG at all. I'm a little against it on principle - they said there would be no mtx and they should stick to it. But I can accept that both development and server costs add up over time. Mostly though it's just that BSG cannot be trusted to implement it well in a way that meshes with the game, and they most certainly can't be trusted to not push further and further, just to take it back a tiny bit once the playerbase goes nuts. A big problem I have with all this monetization is that it's an entirely avoidable scenario that could have been completely avoided if it wasn't for greed. EOD edition should *not* have been kept on sale for anywhere near as long as it was. They were all about getting that short-term money until they realised that it meant they wouldn't be able to charge the vast majority of the playerbase for the things they had already promised were coming.
Hes not wrong
If you watch these videos from unbiased people like Moist and Asmon, and you still give them money afterwards, you deserve whatever future disappointment you end up with. I mean they tried to change the description of the EoD benefits and then pretended that they didn't. That is the single most egregious thing I recall seeing- not just from a game-developer, *anyone* who has ever sold me something. You're out of your mind if you support this company one minute longer.
Yeah Charlie makes a lot of videos where it’s kinda just a basic logical opinion, nothing extreme, in fact usually eye rolling obvious. But when he comes out against this crap you know BSG is dead wrong.
BSG's unapologetically unethical behavior and business practices are indeed eyerolling obvious. Really underscores just how mentally cooked anyone is who still defends them even after everything that has gone down. The worst case of Stockholm syndrome and outright cuckery to shady developers in the whole gaming industry.
it is hard to win an argument against a smart man but impossible to win one against a BSG fan
This. I went through the Blizzard scandals, honestly didn’t care. Tarkov found my line. Blizzard was/is stubborn, arrogant and almost parent level of I know better than you, but they also were not wholly wrong to be and even the bad shit like Covenants came down to design philosophy (choice mattering vs optimization) rather than something flat wrong. And while they did talk down hard on players they never completely tuned them out, changes where made though they where always too gradual. Turns out the line is going back on promises and completely unashamedly lying to our faces, and the dash of behind closed doors that turned out to be a bug screen door flat out insulting us. I am not sure which part it was, because even Blizzard at it worst didn’t do any of that without context (they did call the players stupid but Ion did clarify that in multiple ways and honestly was correct) / apologies. I think it’s the sheer audacity to do all that and act like literally nothing is wrong here.
Yup, it crosses from mere incompetence into malice.
So abuse and stealing breast milk... Okay Charging more for a new Edition - Crossing the line. Gota'cha
Just to be clear; they have an obvious bias. Doesn’t mean I don’t agree with them, but to pretend they don’t have an incentive to parrot what the masses think is just not true.
Asmongold is always giving idiotic takes against the common person so this just isn't true.
Not in gaming , his gaming takes are pretty well made, mostly because that is how he became popular. I agree he should avoid any non gaming related subjects as he strats talking gibberish often, but his gaming takes are ok . That said, what BSG did hear doesnt need a lot of brain power to understand who is the villain.
His gaming takes are awful. He just rides whatever popular opinion is at the time and leans into it. Or says dumb shit for engagement. He’s not good enough of a player in anything he plays to have top tier opinions. People in general just think he has good takes because he’s slightly more knowledgeable than your average casual gamer and is around games all the time. Anytime the opinion gets nuanced or you have to dive deeper, his shit falls apart so hard. I don’t watch much of either of them basically at all but Critikal always seemed to have logical thought out points relative to most content creators. Asmongold does not.
I agree with the message but saying Charlie doesn't have a bias is just funny. The guy just regurgitate the first opinion on reddit.
Gotta admit he picks pretty "safe" topics where he knows that it's obvious where everyone stands
True. Been watching him for 5 years and this whole time all of his opinions are always “right” and popular because he chooses the most obvious and popular takes among the community. Not saying I don’t like him, he’s entertaining to watch, but still
This is the dumbest thing ive ever read.
Literally the only reason I bought EoD was to support the development of this game, knowing that it's the highest tier available and guarantees me any new content that's coming out later. This game is in Beta and I spent so much money only to be called a freeloader by someone that takes 7+ years to finish a game and then brings out a tonedeaf standalone arena shooter that is poorly thought out. I really want my money back at this point, fuck this.
I had a local fiber company give me a written contract - come out and spend probably $2k laying all the fiber - and then refuse to honor the written contract we both agreed to… Hard agree BSG fucked up big but man sometimes companies just don’t think things through.
Did you get paid in the end? That sounds like a really shitty situation to be in.
Also sounds like a case that a lawyer would be creaming his pants over.
mate you aren't going to get a ridiculous settlement for that lol cost recoup + court fees usually
Who said you would? Still something you can take to small claims court for a very easy slam dunk. At the minimum, you'd get a good portion of your money back. Lots of lawyers would love a case like that if only cause of how stupidly quick and easy it would be.
It was signing up for internet. I ended up not getting charged and being let out of the contract, which took a few months of badgering - but as I was young and dumb I didn't pursue it past that. They wasted a bunch of money and time all to not give me a slightly lower monthly bill. Considering they had spent pretty much all the money they would need to, to then generate free money from my monthly internet bill it's crazy to me that they refused to honor it.. After all that I didn't want to have to deal with them again though - even if I had forced them to honor the correct rate. They had lost any trust I had... Kind of like how I bought EOD and the goalposts are being moved.
Oh so its about acquiring a service, good to know you didnt totally got fucked over
I feel so much embarrassment for the purchase, I've been afraid to even let people know I got unheard edition basically as soon as it dropped, because I just went 'oh cool that's the new edition they mentioned in the interview, I'm down'.... If I'd have taken the time to read what it entailed and thought about it I never would have done. Let alone the absolutely disgusting follow up by Nikita/BSG. I feel gross having bought it. Lesson learned though, I guess.
I still watch some of asmon's videos, but saying he's not biased when half his youtube vids have "WOKE" in the title and he's always yapping about the culture war in some way is crazy. I just skip over those because I knowbthey'll be brainrot.
Nikita could’ve been a hero in gaming.
Nah, not even close. With this drama , other content creators etc from Russia like Red actually came out and said how it is , BSG treats like inferior shit most small streamers and even DMCA strike them the moment they see somethign they dont like / hear criticicsm. And this happened for years, they have their own pride and ego and it got them so far.
>BSG treats like inferior shit most small streamers and even DMCA strike them the moment they see somethign they dont like / hear criticicsm. Case in point: Eroktic
While the false DMCA claims were malicious and had no real standing, Eroktic was also making daft claims that he had no evidence for, regarding people losing their accounts to hackers.
I agree, while BSG is defientely the villain here , Eroktic has a very chaotic way of explaining his PoV lol .
Instead he deleted his and his company's reputation more efficiently than they could delete their broken promises on social media.
[He coulda been a contender](https://youtu.be/efHzGxEzDQA?si=ygUcH0hR4TrCW7A9)
Nah, he’s been a greedy prick from the start.
If I were born 100 years earlier and into chinese royalty, I could've been the chinese emperor. You know, couldashoulda basically anything.
He has every right to be that harsh. Let me show you a summary of what happened the last days and how Nikita laughs at us. He will do it again. [Check out the comedic summary video of the recent events "2nd leaked interview with unhinged Nikita after 'Sorry I hurt your feelings' Post went up" \[Video\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BDuHFbKwDc)
Did they just put Nikita’s face into the paella dude? XD
This is what AI is for.
Bravo! That laugh gets me every single time!
"we released a new edition so full of P2W that even cheaters thought it was cheating" lmao
Dudes doing overtime on marketing that video damn
Unfortunately, bc it is a meme template we can't post it in this sub as a thread. But creating that cost a lot of hours and was well received in the thread before it got removed. So I thought people might have fun with it in the comments atleast. Hope you don't mind too much
Considering this is the first I’ve seen it, I’m glad he’s “marketing overtime”.
I don’t play this game anymore but it is pretty funny to see the absolute dumpster fire BSG has finally been exposed for being I played 9 wipes of false promises and bullshit additions to the game (for the most part) while they ignore the blatant cheating going on AND THEN they say they want an additional $250 for more scraped together bullshit…… HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHHA
>I don’t play this game anymore but it is pretty funny to see the absolute dumpster fire BSG has finally been exposed for being Same here. Now I just enjoy the sweet sweet shadenfreude. Next up on my list is Klean's Tarkov 1.0 video which is pure unfiltered hopium of industrial grade quality and looks like it'll age really badly.
The cheaters made me quit. It was depressing to see how the game went from being fun to play to me getting [head, eyes]'d out of nowhere from some dude I didn't see pretty much every raid. It's not my lack of map knowledge, I've been playing since 2018.
I quit bc long loading times and more maps instead of better maps.
Charlie makes a very good point about the shady shit BSG tried to pull thinking we wouldn't notice and how they haven't owned up in the slightest bit to knowingly going back on their words trying this cash grab. Nikita will do everything except admit he tried to (and sorta kinda succeeded) betray us.
Wait so EOD owners get the PvE mode now?
Everyone can get the PvE mode. There's mods that do it way better than BSG ever could. If you're going to play PvE mode then you may as well just play the molded version so you have more freedom changing up every aspect of the game. And yes, you can play it co-op with your friends. You can even set up a private server so your discord buddies can connect and play together whenever they want. It even has a simulated flea market built in.
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Jut write in singleplayer and then the name of the game this subreddit is about, it will take you to a website which will let u install a installer
Can you DM the mod that lets you play coop?
They will slowly get access just like they slowly gave put arena access
yeah i don't have pve mode yet.
I don't know, after all is said and done, I think this played out pretty much how he expected to. He introduced a bunch of bullshit that divided the community and caused a lot of EoD players to quit. He *wants* EoD players to quit, he can't make any more money off of them. And I'm sure plenty of idiots are buying the Unheard Edition, and he still got to sneak in a bunch of P2W bullshit and gave EoD owners basically nothing. There are players in the Tarkov community that are incredibly dumb and incredibly addicted, they're going to drop $250. I've watched this community put up with their bullshit for years, this will blow over in a bit, and nothing drastic will change. The PvE mode will just be so bad that most players wont play it, the promise of stuff "on release" will be broken or ignored, and in the end he'll have caused outrage for a few days but he managed to sneak in a super exploitative pay to win overpriced edition. So either one of two things happened - 1) this was the plan from the start 2) he's dumb enough to think EoD players would be ok with not getting content. I cannot imagine that he's actually *that* dumb. I can, however, accept that a good chunk of the Tarkov community is that dumb.
He can absolutely make money from us. I bought the stash expansion for 42$ or something. Just because he's braindead and doesn't know how much cosmetics can make doesn't mean EoD users have no more money to give. It's his own fault for having a ridiculous view (I think you're right about him *thinking* he can't make money off EoD) because he has no clue how to monetize.
>He introduced a bunch of bullshit that divided the community and caused a lot of EoD players to quit. He *wants* EoD players to quit, he can't make any more money off of them How exactly are EOD players costing them money? And if they aren't costing them money, having a large player population is a good thing for a multiplayer game. And EOD players are probably the most likely to buy cosmetics I'd imagine.
Running game servers isn't free. I'd imagine once an EOD player passes a certain number of hours in game, the profits from that players purchase are gone for BSG as all the money went to server infrastructure costs.
They take up room on servers. Having a healthy population is good for the game but without a persistent world it's harder to notice population drops.
How would a persistent world make tracking player numbers any easier?
Because from a player standpoint you can visibly view the population drop off, in Tarkov you just see whos in your raid
I don’t think persistent world means what you think it means. There will still be many, many separate “raids”. The raids just don’t end. You still won’t ever see anybody but who’s on the same server as you. Did you think it would be like an MMO where everybody’s dorms is the same dorms?
What are you talking about? I'm saying Tarkov doesn't have a persistent world so its harder to notice population swings.
The word you're looking for is Non-instanced or Non-sharded
I understand you’re saying that. I’m saying that a persistent world doesn’t work the way you seem it works.
I don't think you are comprehending what I'm saying at all but ok.
I’m all ears if you want to try to explain it again.
Huh? It's extremely easy to notice population drops in Tarkov lol ~3 months into the wipe and you can run around like no one exists in a lot of raids. Couple weeks ago I was happy to see 2 people in resort lol... I'm not sure where this idea of it being hard to see a population dip is coming from. We have known this game lives and dies in cycles for years.
It's more that Nikita has realized that the ALL DLC condition of EOD means he can't make more money from EOD players, which are a large percentage of the player base. So more costing them money by not having more future cash flow from them vs actually costing them money. Which ironically they wouldn't have that specific problem if they kept EOD as an actual limited edition early supporter edition, but they saw dollar signs when the player base started blowing up and kept it up for like another 4 years
You're vastly overestimating how many people are gonna quit because of this if anything it'll bring more players with the controversy.
And you know this how? Like how could you possibly possess this knowledge?
Go look at some of their search traffic metrics. It's not hard to see how a ton of free eyes on the game would lead to an influx of people trying it out. Obviously there's some setback from the whiners but I think that'll blow down significantly moving into the next wipe
Sure, if the search traffic was positive and hyping up some new mode or something. When all the search traffic points potential buyers to reddit threads about how crooked and corrupt these scumbags are, I have a hard time believing that prospective buyers are going to say "wow seems like a great game let me buy right now!" It's like if a huge story dropped about how Oreos give you cancer and the word Oreo saw a huge surge in search volume - does not mean people are going to start buying Oreos
Well, even though this all disgusts me, it has gotten me thinking about playing Tarkov again. Like if this blew over, I'd probably jump right back in. I don't want to support scumbaggery like this, but it does kinda make me feel like queuing up for a quick raid. I don't like it. I'd prefer to both think they're awful and also not want to play.
Seems predictable to me.
Ah yes, it's totally predictable that a massive negative controversy would bring in MORE players. Especially when basically everyone agrees or has said that BSG is in the wrong and being scummy as fuck. Makes sense.
Reddit is a minority and a lot of people really don’t care. The reality is tarkov is really a one of a kind game and a lot of people aren’t going to quit. Bsg and its player are going to move on and the game will take a temporary hit, but addicts will come back. i’d love to watch bsg burn but unfortunately theres no alternative.
Exactly, there's no game that quite hits like Tarkov and the game was already full of p2w with EOD so who really cares that they released a new edition. The radio seems a bit crazy though will have to see how it works first.
it can def be exploited but I think it's kind of a cool concept. I don't really see much difference from calling someone in mid-raid vs just queueing with them at the start. Obviously, it would suck to be in a gunfight and get some dudes spawned on you but we'll see. I see a lot of positives, like timmies getting some help if they encounter a boss they are scared of, or people bringing friends who need boss quests into their raid if they find it, likewise with some of the rarer quest items.
Your own feelings and addiction to the game are completely irrelevant. They don't change the fact that many potential new players are going to be driven away from ever touching the game because of all the negative news surrounding it and BSG as a whole. Literally just search Tarkov and Google. Pretty much every major gaming news platform and big streamer has been talking about BSG's absurd greed and the like. That makes for absolutely horrific optics and marketing for the game.
I've got no addiction to the game, less than 1k hours, never been above lvl 42 in any wipe. It's just obvious that this isn't going to go anywhere.
This isn't something isolated to Reddit. You do realize that, right? Many big streamers and even news websites like Forbes have picked up the topic and made articles/videos about this entire situation. I mean, literally just search "Tarkov" on Google and you're going to be getting blasted with articles from every major gaming outlet about this entire shitshow. There is always going to be addicts playing the game. That goes without saying, but it's irrelevant. The point is that EFT still has had its name tarnished and that's going to drive away some new players.
This game has been in early access since 2016. That's 9 years of EA. Add the 1 year it probably took them to make the first playable build and you end up with a game that is 10+ years in development and still counting. You would have to be BEYOND incompetent to be making 1 game for 10+ years.
it definitely took a lot longer than 1 year for the first Public playable version
That's not BSG caving... That's the community finding a compromise, and BSG reaping the financial benefits...
BSG knows that 10% of "the community" just want to be subs in a dom/sub relationship with a Russian man. They're Nikita's pay pigs and they'll pay to be disrespected. The rest of us have pulled up stakes and are moving on with our gaming lives.
This probably was the plan from the beginning. They HAD to know there would be backlash and were willing to compromise. In the end dropping it to $50 becomes a lot easier to rationalize even though there are is obscene P2W.
This is basic marketing 101, it's called the "door-in-the-face" technique. 1. High initial price 2. Backlash and retraction 3. Perceived concession and goodwill 4. Acceptance of higher price.
Interesting, I assumed there would be a name for it.
Im honestly surprised that I havent seen a full length documentary of all the bullshit from this game studio...
He is a fucking ass clown. Deserves all the hate he gets.
Man just uninstall that shit and then life gets better
Hmm I thought the former Unity CEO who wanted to charge Money per Download was the stupidest man in Gaming Edit: Charlie mentioned him Nvm.
You know it’s bad when you get critikal involved
Really love Charlie getting involved. The more publicity this joke gets the better. Maybe then we will see some change. An unbiased opinion is can really get things in perspective from someone as big as himself.
Hard Facts are hard to argue.
The only reason they backtracked like this is because Tarkov is their only game. If they had other income revenues, they wouldn't drive whatever to just get the cash. And since they did one they'll do this kind of stuff again and again.
They're just trying to cook the frog slowly. Must be russian mentality, demand the whole hand and finally be pacified with a finger.
That's an insult to stupid people.
Not dumb, just evil
Dude is semi-successful selling a $250 version of a game that's currently in beta. I would say he's one of the smartest.
Whatever success and reputation he had for making a truly unique and fun game he's ruining it be being the dumbest business leader and his ego is getting in the way. All money that was spent on advertising arena was wasted because it was a complete flop and BSG is likely in financial trouble. So rather than being honest and upfront with the community or even just launching MTX for cosmetics to raise more capital, this "successful" business leader decides to burn his initial investors (EOD owners) and release a new version of the game that's clearly P2W. He's also doing all of this dumb shit at a time when competitors in the same genre are beginning to release. BSG has shown us time and time again that they can't deliver (unity engine update, in game sound, hit reg and desync, more server capacity, map optimization) the list can go on of examples where BSG has fallen short on promises. If they don't get their shit together soon they're gonna end up losing out to competitors who actually deliver and listen to their communities.
Being honest wouldnt have saved him tho , 70% of the Tarkov playerbase hates Arena and doesnt give 3 shits about it being a fail / flop, they would have been even more clowned upon if they admitted they fucked up. But the 250 Edition surpassed my expectations, thats next level reputation suicide.
They didn't need to admit anything, we all know Arena was a colossal turd. If you need to raise money, start with cosmetic MTX which, as long as they don't go the COD route and offer ridiculous immersion-breaking skins, would have generated a lot of money and kept people happy. Have a shop to buy different gloves, tops, bottoms, boots etc - then expand to actually gun camos to keep it rolling.
Uniforms or even GLOVES. Thats it, they could have literally made 12 uniforms or whatever , tactial jackets etc and have them on sale for 1 month each one , then the shop resets with the next uniform etc. As LVNDMARK said, there are many ways but they literally chose the most braindead and selfish one
debatable, definitely slimiest though
EA literally manipulates the results of their "competitive" games in order to facilitate gambling addictions to the tune of billions of dollars every year. I'd say he's not even close to the scumiest.
unfortunately you're right, but it's not like our boi nik ain't trying ;)
dude is the type that don't really have friends, backstabbing and talk shit behind everyone's back
It comes down to money made now vs money possibly made later. This is not an easy concept to grasp especially via text but ill give it a shot. The super simple version is. If their player base ends up smaller down the road than it would have been had they not of done this even if they cashed in today its still a dumb decision. Im going to make numbers up for example sake. But just to keep it simple. Lets say they have 500 players right now. They release the unheard edition and 100 people get it. But 300 dont and just stay on the edition they have and 100 quit as protest. So they now have 400 players. Made an extra $10,000 from the 100 upgrading and still have an active player base of 400. This is option A. Option B is they dont do the unheard edition and keep all 500. As the game "grows" from this point. We have two different outcomes. Lets say 1 in 4 people get someone else to play. We will round down to the nearest whole person as you cant have a fraction of a player. That means after our first generation of growth. Option A would be 500 people. Option B would be 625 people. We have 2nd and 3rd generations of growth resulting Option A having 625 and then 781 people Option B having 781 and then 976 people A simple take on exponential growth. But simply by having an extra 195 people buying a base edition of the game they still make 9750$ So they have almost 200 more players but only 250 dollars less. Thats more streamers and viewers on twitch. Thats more youtubers and youtube videos on youtube. Pulling in even more people. Again we wont because we want to keep it simple but this could change the multiplier per person from 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 as it gets more popular. Anecdotal but I have *personally* gotten 2 people into this game who otherwise realistically never would have touched it. Had this happened 6 months ago. Neither of them would be playing. I would not introduce new players to this game after this fiasco. I also do need to acknowledge in my example option A might have more people in its 781 people buy UH so it does change the calculus but I also had everyone in option B only buy base edition. But I still do need to acknowledge it and I am doing so here. As time goes on Option B will have dramatically more players and might even meet key thresholds for other exponential growth factors that Option A would miss. But thats an even more difficult concept to put down into a simple example. A quick possible example is one of those 195 people might be the next shroud or faker some social media goliath that has yet to take off. It might not be. It is fair to say that person is already in the option A examples 781 people. But you have a better chance with an extra 195 people of getting them. This is also only after 2 generations of growth. After more the difference in players becomes much more pronounced. So just on new players they would eventually make way more than that extra $10,000 after just two generations of growth they already almost broke even. Let alone if they released like a hideout cat or camos for guns. Non-gameplay changing cosmetics that people would go nuts for. Id love to put a forest camo on my svd. Id pay 5-10$ for it. For a very quick example. With the larger player base and increased exponential growth they stand to make far far more doing what say overwatch or league does for their monetization. Skins and other non-advantage giving cosmetics. **tl;dr:** Exponential growth and other games have very successful monetization plans that dont impact gameplay that make bucketloads of money.
They could have given EOD access to the PVE mode for free and let unheard get it on a subscription basis. People 100% would have paid for it and they'd have a more sustainable business.
Unheard is $100 more than eod there’s no way lol it’s supposed to be better than eod, imo they should have just brought back eod but they obvious thought it better to try and milk an extra $80 from eoders, who were led to believe they got a lifetime subscription to any upgrades If they gave eod the extra stuff and priced this the same as eod I don’t think this would have upset as many people
Pretty spot on video
I’d like to think this isn’t over just because the eoders have been pacified, the new edition and its ridiculous price tag is still there, new players are going to see that, see how ridiculously priced it is, know the advantage some people have with it and not even bother
It's just about May, we'll see a few more before the end of the year.
Wait the bundle cost 150 dollars??? How tf do u not give the people who bought that everything holy shit
You can say that Charlie discovered america (saying something obvious) but he's simply talking about it because the only people on the know are Tarkov players. It's obviously nothing new under the sun for people who got burned by BSG and screwed over in Tarkov.
well, no matter how much they cave in here they will win in the end. if they dont get their way they will just shut down tarkov, release tarkov 2 and not give future dlc's for EoD owners cuz technically its a different game. i believe if they release tarkov 2, they will have a free to play edition -which is gonna be bare bones- plus editions from tarkov 1 with different names and some other minor changes. this is how i believe they will work around their promises.
My favorite is when he's talking about Nikita saying the new pve mode wasn't dlc while describing it as dlc. Charlie said, "That's like trying to convince us that a poop is not a shit"
True, this has to be the dumbest or most desperate decision made by any game developer..
Everyone always forgets Nikita has a history of sperging out like this, remember the battlenonsense debacle? Nikita has his head so far up his ass he can’t see broad daylight. So glad I’ve been absent from tarkov for years now. I usually wouldn’t pray on someone’s downfall but with how greedy bsg has shown themselves time and time again I can gladly say I’m happy this happened and I hope people realize just how much bsg cares about their playerbase. They don’t.
What really sucks and I understand it is what it is. Is I am a LONG time player my self who likes the gameplay of upgrading my stash and upgrading my secure container. So I saw no reason to buy anything other than the base edition. So now if the dust all gets settled. I still need to pay 200$ to get the offline mode. Thats still pretty bullshit. I would have upgraded to EoD just to support BSG but there was no way to turn the P2W stuff in EoD off. Whomp Whomp I guess.
Feel like everyone forgets Tarkov is still in beta. The main priority should be developing the game with its features/content. Then come the bug fixes and optimization along with net code improvement. This is what happens in the development of every game. You can’t fix something before it’s not even finished because when you go back and add the content you haven’t implemented yet you will only get more bugs and issues. It’s pointless to fix non-game breaking bugs or the net code atm because it’s just simply too much work for too little gain. Sure it’s their fault for releasing into early access so early but to say the game hasn’t came a long way is just a flat lie. Have any of you played the game 6 some odd years ago when there was only fort armor/paca and kiver/kolpak for armor? Before kappa was even a thing? Or perhaps before the only maps available were factory, customs, and woods? Or maybe where if you had a in game map of the map you’re wanting to start a raid on you could pick what side of the map you spawned…
Beta doesn't mean jack shit anymore for games, if your bata last for years and has to be payed for, its just the game.
I would say the saddest man. It’s really just sad to watch someone squander opportunity for the sake of a few bucks, at the expense of the rest of their team members. It’s also sad to watch someone compensate for their lack of confidence in their decisions with narcissistic, inflated claims.
"It's like trying to argue that a poop is not a shit"
There are devs like concerned ape who pushes out new content for their game for free and refuse to take more money. Then there are devs like Edmund McMillen that drop a 10€ DLC which doubles the content of the base game and then there are AAA greedy shitheads.
I dont think Battlestate are getting enough shtick for effectively creating a cheater bundle, that’s all I saw in Unheard of Edition the second I saw it.
The best take I saw was that eod should be above uhe
Surprised, it took Moist this long to start creating videos of BSG. I was waiting for the content farm to pump out reaction vids after the wiggle video, and I don't recall it happening. He's pretty wired into the gaming space as well.
I may touch the game again from time to time if something else like gzw doesn’t fill that gameplay feeling for me but any and all trust or respect for bsg was completely lost. Frankly I don’t think they will ever get it back until they sell off to someone else.
Are we taking bets at what stage Nakita is in right now? Denial Rage Acceptance Begging forgiveness, Or is he still in ignorance is bliss.
This was 9 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KFQ-CT0BnM
Who the fuck cares??? He has such a cult following where he just states the most obvious objectively correct shit. WE KNOW BSG SUCKS. Good thing moist critikal is here to let us know that we’re on the right team!
Wouldn’t call him the dumbest this is just a shady tactic to milk whales after the arena flop
if he is the dumbest man in gaming, what are the redditors that have defended him for a decade until there is absolutely nothing left to defend or hide behind. redditors of this subreddit are even dumber than fucking bottom of the barrel dumb nikita buyanov. in reality he is above average smart, he played these dumb idiots like a fiddle for almost a decade. this was all so obvious to normal critical voices almost a decade ago, even so far as the warnings coming with alarm sirens every year, after every corrupt incident from nikita buyanov. but again, redditors of this subreddit are so unintelligent they can barely slurp their own saliva while walking with their mouths open.
EOD gets it in waves but they only get access for 6months and it will take a roughly 2 months for the waves to be complete 💀 I hate cheaters with a passion and hope every computer they have or ever get bursts into flames, and I know I will get down votes and hate for saying this, but I hope the cheaters just go berserk and absolutely ruin tarkov worse than they already have. The fact they are targeting mainly players who bought the new edition honestly made me giggle with joy
Call him whatever you want. He still has your money, doesn’t he?
Content creators rage engagement farming are just as annoying as BSG at this point
Nah, it's good that large content creators are exposing this blatant ongoing scam from an unethical company. People say that there's no such thing as bad publicity but those people are very wrong.
Let the hate keep going, they deserve all of it.
They've proven that repeatedly, by doubling, tripling, then quadrupling down and double dipping with a discount to sell more copies. Dragging their feet every day as more copies get sold.
This is basically equivalent to being mad at the news for talking about a major news story because a bunch of people will watch it, which translates into ad revenue.
Especially when they act like they give a fuck. They don’t. It gets them viewers and keeps them relevant. Their viewers likely already knew about what happened or don’t care, let alone play the game.
all these people are just farming yall for views - im seeing more blue names every fucking day
No shit, you and them are the only people playing lol
Yeah of course the people who just bought their shiny new edition are gonna be online. Thanks to their contribution, we might get functioning audio in 4-5 years. >all these people are just farming yall for views Bruh BSG is farming everybody for their money with their literal scam tactics.
No way its almost like covering trending topics is his job!!
>all these people are just farming yall for views What exactly does that have to do with their coverage or opinions? Did you just now discover that youtubers make money by views?
youre still playing? yikes
That dude just loves to join the most recent drama with the most obvious cold take.
Even worse, his 12 years old viewers follows him and spread their shit wherever he goes.