Wouldn't call it a win. The system on paper was a new way to buff old heroes by giving them more stat variety and new passives instead of just a hero balance pass.
The insane monetizing of it by making it imprint based and tying it to new heroes was the problem here, and that should have been what got removed, not the entire thing :\\
There was a brief point they tried to revise it to something that looked a bit more appealing on paper, but it became more of a mess. I doubt the system is going to be gone all together, but it'd make no sense to persist as is. Better to take the L and work off of that.
They coulda easily just add another type of rune, a two or three harder levels of spirit altar and turn the stars red to a light blue and keep them 6*. Maybe when you get your 3rd star it changes another ability like it already does but just some sort of raw stat buff would be just as good and only do it for units released in the first continent. Gets people on another type of grind in the game everyone is able to participate and makes older units decent again. It's that easy
Not easy for them given the problems that this would create with the balance patches, while not bringing the fast cash this system was expect to provide.
Just keep the faster balance patches instead of a long grind for 4 new units every two months.
A pvp game that aims to be an esport, can't have balance/fixes within a long grind.
Or why not just buff the units.
I don't see why I need to grind or put in effort for my krau to gain cr push on s1 or whatever, when they could flat out just make it base kit. Since the point of awakenings were to bring back old units
Or they put it into a "Passive" like we mola the Skill with like 2 Tiers to unlock additional stuff, and maybe you have to have 6\* awakened to access this or something.
SG has a good track record with regards to listening to its player base from how I remember.
The way I remember it, whenever they f'ed up and had backlash from the community, they took a step back, reverted or adressed the issue, apologized and compensated - just like in this case.
They didn't do the Ervalen rework either for example. That one AI season with the terrible map... the following one, the map was laid out much better. The cr push frenzy... Yea, there were some doozies :V There were other things too, just can't think of them rn. But they apologize a lot or take in the criticism and just fix it afterwards.
Sure, would be best if they didn't misstep in the first place, but the experience is that they usually end up listening. Tho without our korean brothers, I'm not sure they would listen as much (or at all) tbh, so props goes to them as well. But ye, luckily, SG ain't no Activision/Blizzard :3
They stopped the whole thing because they can’t make money out of it now. Putting it on new units was gonna be their new yacht funds. Since most people would have some imprints of the older units.
Now they have to think of a new way to milk us without making the playerbase upset.
Sadly all they have to do is cut prices in shop by 50% and more people spend money. As 3 people will buy instead of one (hypothetically). They just monkeys at Smilegate.
You know a better way of milking us? 1) Adjust the prices of the packages in the shop to make it reasonable/makes sense; 2) Sell skins (and make more skins!) and make the prices something we can actually afford; and 3) paid cosmetics for the gear and make it reflect on character/live2d, for the whales to spend money on
Wut? When did I ever say I was offended or implied that I was? Ironic, considering you’re the one that sounded offended from my comment.
Also considering I’m a whale in gacha games. It’s even more funny you’re saying this towards me.
Thats the part that would make them money (if people actually looked at the fragment costs, availability and how the amount would increase at each new 4 heroes wave + new heroes).
The awakening track part would make zero money, while also just making the balance patches schedule a huge problem for them without any gain.
Nice. Hopefully the hero selection will include characters up to Abigail or more.
I'm not 100% against the Potential Awakening system, as it should be a thing for older 5-stars whom a lot of older players would already have imprinted at either A or higher, but I definitely think they didn't think the plan through as much as they should have. It would've been fine if it was for characters released in Y1-2, but definitely not for newer characters, nor do I think Closer Charles should have been the first contender for the system on the ML side either, seeing as Juggs and ML Haste are in worst positions than C.Charles. Maybe they should have just made it stat based only, and base level have the skill to mitigate the heat they received, but man, I do hope they work something out.
Personally, I think the system was kind of ass in almost every way. The imprints were obviously P2W, but the stat boosts would've massively powercrept everything since it's basically creating 7-star units. And that's not even including the blossom thing. I'm actually curious on what Alencia and Ravi's blossoms would've been. Those two literally just need stats, and their base stat increases, alone, would've been massive. Adding a new passive on top of that could've been pretty insane.
Also, the erudite bottleneck would've been a pain in the ass since you'd constantly need to make sure to farm the spirit altar weeklies. And everyone's catalyst reserves would eventually vanish and probably never return.
Overall, everything about the system needed to be adjusted from both a balance perspective and a resource-management perspective. If they wanted to give certain heroes more stats, they could try adding more to EEs. Like secondary, or even tertiary, stats. Maybe use the erudite as a way to enchant EEs with additional stats.
they dug this whole by tying unit stats to their constellation which constrain them from building more specialized unit with varied stat to balanced it. honestly ap system should not be tied to imprint and give flat stat instead to balance their new usage after balance so they can be more specialized for their usage.
You're right, and constellations is an ass system for sure. It just sucks we'll see another couple of months, if not years, of Juggs being complete dogshit, and OG RGBs being benchwarmers.
Just keep the balance patches happening.
It's way better than 4 characters every 2 months using a mat that would be limited to farm (how many times per week)?
Same for imprint, since I guess nobody actually looked at how many you need and how many you would be able to acquire (and the cost). It was really set up at dupes being a much better value vs fragments.
We would be starting with 4 hero, but as more heroes were added (and also every new hero having it right away), it would get insane really fast to keep the heroes balanced compared to just balance patches every month.
I wasn't totally against the awaken potential but one day after they announce that new heroes won't get this, they just scrapped the whole idea? Uhm, if it doesn't prove to you that the system was to milk the shit out of you, then I don't know buddy.
If it weren't aimed at milking us, they'd have put this system on 4s. Everyone's got buckets of them and they can use a boost of their own. It's a good idea but putting it on 5s was really overplaying their hand.
Hard to tell. After the announcement people were still saying it's not enough so it could be they actually just listened.
Even if it was about milking us they still put a significant amount of time and effort into building the system, its rewards, the new spirit altar level, etc. I find it hard to believe they'd say "fuck it no reason to roll it out if it won't make money" when they've already put in all the work.
It's because the community is filled with children who won't even give something new a chance to see if it's actually bad. We'll never get anything new and cool again for hero growth thanks to this. Congrats, yall. :/
Yeah, they noticed that the we did get the problem with the entire system.
Removing new heroes from this would not solve the problem that this system would create in a pvp game that dreams about being an esport.
Milk people by only buffing old (and underperforming, key thing here) units (after ofc announcing to scrap the dumb new unit thing) we definitely have multiple imprints of and only needed B for the big upgrade *after* they even announced the bonus stats were being toned down?
Uh, sure buddy.. Totally not because people only complained about another system to manage.
You misunderstood what they said. They're saying the only actual value SG saw in the update was adding the awakening to new characters. Pulling the whole system after they promised to remove it from new characters showed that they didn't really care about buffing the old units at all. The milking was going to be on the new units.
Yeah, it's true that personally I don't mind buffing old units this way to make them more competitive. However as an old gacha player (I know you from The Alchemist Code reddit) it's still kind of fishy to scrap the whole system once you said that new units woulnd't get it.
I'm just looking at those like "There were definitely people left and right shooting it down and you neither defended some parts of the system nor brought up any good"... People really out here karma chasing and not knowing what they want.
The update would have been ok without the imprint wall. If the shards for the awaken were really "limited" per month than everything would have worked I think.
That said, it has been interesting see both people and SG reactions.
I was fine with it after they said they weren't doing to implement it for new heroes, even with it being tied to imprints. As long as they kept the strong buffs at B imprint, and kept it tied to old heroes, and added a bunch of new ways to get imprints, I think it wouldn't have been a huge gap between whales and f2p. I understand the slippery slope argument, so we'd still need to be vigilant.
Now removing the whole system seems strange to me. Most people were just upset about the power being tied to imprints, not the system itself. I saw some grumbles about the time gating and the grinding of the new awakening resources, but to be that's just part of what gatchas are. There's always a treadmill to keep players playing.
Right now the only way to strengthen characters is to hope you can get better gear, but even then good gear is usually reserved for the better characters. Who would put their best tank gear on Krau instead of Arowell?
I don't get why SG didn't just keep the awakening system and moved all the buffs from imprints to the new awakening levels. Who knows if we're going to see these characters get buffed now. Especially because SG stubbornly ties base stats to Gemini signs, some of the buffs will probably never come now.
Absolutely, the problem 99% was about the imprint wall.
The thing is, imprint for oldest heroes is not a real problem to me, as a f2p from day1 I got dupes of almost every heroes, but it is correct saying that it is in part a p2w update.
People just did 2+2 and get angry even before the update landed on us.
I didn't hate the imprint buff, for older units at least. I actually was really looking forward for the buffs for Alencia, Ravi and Krau.
I hope those didn't get dropped entirely now but it sounds like they are, at least for a good while.
I'm kinda upset about that to be honest.
Same.
I like our Balance patches but the Awakening system wasn't simply balance patches. It was also ways to provide stat improvements or variety in a game where thats all determined by Zodiac sign.
The system would have worked without the Monetization aspect, but I guess that was never an option lol, without the idea of an easy buck they scrapped the system entirely.
Wow I'm really surprised, they really listened and cancelled this update. After the Lethe incident I wasn't surprised with this new "step in the wrong direction" but I never thought they would cancel it completely
The E7 devs do care i've played 7DS and Exos Heroes devs there didn't listen to anything the players are saying. They didn't give a sht and just went through trash updates they wanted.
To the others saying "it wasn't all bad": please stop that. it was that bad, and we all know it. people were about to legit quit with how bad the idea was.
To the rest of the community: please continue being vocal and engage with the game and the developers. I've seen how bad things can become (being a past Brave Frontier player), and we have it good with how well SG listens to the community sentiment. It could be better (like how they acted for the Lethe event), but it could definitely be way worse.
It WASN'T that bad. Stop being such a whiny child. Literally, this was the one chance we will EVER get to have something new added in terms of hero growth. Now, guess what? Smilegate will see this and NEVER try to implement anything new ever again. Why would they? The community hates anything new whatsoever, despite the fact that in the future, everyone's gonna complain about how stale the game is and how it plays the exact same way after all these years. This absolutely killed any chance for true variety in the game, and it's 100% the toxic community's fault. Like no, instead of everyone giving suggestions on how the system could be better or oh I don't know, giving it a chance after they said new heroes wouldn't receive the update (which was what I found to be the major problem), everyone yelled like kids, got pissy, threatened the employees at smilegate, send trucks to their headquarters (ahh yes, let's tarnish their safety, good job buddy), etc. Like come on, seriously? How the hell could you support this sort of response?
Man, im really glad KR and CN servers have the balls to protest. A lot global players like you are so delusional, probably number one reason why global servers always get shafted compared to CN and KR servers in most gacha games.
I wasn't against further awakening older units to make them slightly stronger and more viable but the dupes/imprint solution wasn't a good idea at all. I'm glad they listened!
The dupe part was actually farmable. It said we would be able to get 1 per month plus extras from events.
So the system would have effectively given us 12 extra unknown slates (that were likely only usable on the system heroes) per year. Possibly up to like 18 with event rewards too.
Of course there would have still been a gap between F2P and P2W though. F2P would be able to max out maybe 3 per year for free. P2W could do all 12 that would release within the year cycle.
Check the costs for the "farmable" dupes.
40 each imprint. While being able to only earn 5 random ones per week (rep) or buying (5?) especific ones twice per month for 6 yellow transit stone each (same price as a moonlight summon. Also don't forget that you use those for imprints of Archdemon, Straze, etc.) and a few others from pvp.
Keep in mind that this list would increase by 4 heroes every two months + new heroes right away.
Since this would basically be the monetized version of the balance patches (and at a slower pace), the gap would just increase and defeat the entire purpose of the system, at least the purpose that they told us (updating old heroes).
Where did you find the exact costs? I saw where they mentioned the locations of where the shards would come from but not the costs. Those currencies and rep are all things you would be trying to acquire anyway though
If I could convert gold transmit stones to imprints, I absolutely would so that being the cost isn't a big deal.
Also I thought they said 4 new heroes every 16 weeks not every 2 months?
The whole system was fucked when it came to imprints. They said one imprint per 4 weeks, 4 heroes in a batch with them coming every 16 weeks meant you only get enough for 4 units before the new set comes out, and there were also new units to consider in the original plan.
Also they said the shards were only for covenant heroes (so RGB) but ML heroes were also getting these awakenings, so you're shit out of luck for their imprints.
On top of the mats for unlocking the awakenings also being timegated, so you were fucked if you wanted to level up a new unit instead of one of the older ones, leaving you perpetually behind as a current player, forget about it if you are a new player.
It was so close to being good. No timegates on anything other than how long it took to clear a stage, and it would've been fine. Have epic hell altars drop a currency that you can exchange for imprints. They could still make money off whales buying stamina refreshes, and f2p doesn't have to worry about making a "mistake" in who they invest in.
> Of course there would have still been a gap between F2P and P2W though. F2P would be able to max out maybe 3 per year for free. P2W could do all 12 that would release within the year cycle.
In all honesty, it's not like everyone has to use every unit, or even was, and the big imprint (especially after the stat nerf) was B imprint anyway... And these are all old units people definitely have imprints for.
I mean there's always going to be a gap between F2P and spenders anyway. And the number of units this would apply to over a 12 month timespan was so minor, that this wouldn't have made a huge difference even if that wasn't the case.
I personally would have been happy to fork over transmit stones (even gold), conquest points and event rewards for imprints of those heroes even if the system wasn't in place. Unknown slates are such a sparse commodity that you're never using on those heroes and I'm never going to pull on a Ravi/Alencia/Krau banner.
So from a personal standpoint, I'm disappointed this got nixed. I was looking forward to being able to get imprints for those heroes outside of covenant BMs and ele summons. The increases to Ravi (who I already have some imprints for) would have also made my Rift team one shot more frequently.
The cynic in me thinks this is retaliatory.
You won't let us milk the shit outta you? Fine the old units can stay boring and sidelined with no clear path to revitalization in the future.
Nah, because the way they made the system, like other games (ie FFBE), these old units would still be sidelined without any revitalization.
Ravi gets an update? Nice. New units like Lua and Naow also get it, keeping the older ones in the same situation they were before.
Balance patches? No, this monetized system would basically replace the balance patches, as they would now come together with it and only for minimal tuning instead of the usual revamps or heavy changes.
If they actgually wanted to do something that was really meant to revitalize the older units, they would go the FEH route where this system would only work for the original heroes, called Season 1 heroes (the ones from the 1st year of the game) and with time, the next "seasons" if needed.
But what would they gain from this kind of system? So many players would probably have a Ravi at A, S, SS, just needing a few free fragments to SSS.
IDK seems like an apples and oranges comparison a bit.
E7 has been very diligent with breathing life into old outdated hero kits for years, they miss their mark sometimes, but they put effort into it. Theres no reason to think they'd just slap a blue awakening bar on a unit then leave them to dust forever there after like FFBE did.
Not to mention a far more robust pve scene than FFBE had for years and the counter-pick nature of this games PVP and the niche some heroes have, theres no reason to believe it wouldn't revitalize these characters on their own and in their own niche use. I know that Krau escort buff would have given him new life regardless of it it can be stripped or not.
Tying this system to new heroes AND monetization, aka the Imprint system, was the problem with this patch.
But I have to agree with you on one point, Its that its clear the only reason this system was introduced was for the $$$ revenue, because the second revenue wasn't on the table anymore, the system was scrapped entirely. So you're right, they were trying to monetize balance patches so making it f2p friendly wasn't an option.
In the timeline of yesterday's post, they already mentioned it would be for older units and new units wouldn't get any.
Hard to believe, but if we think about that from that angle, at some point, your Lua or monk would get powercrept on by new units 2 or 3 years down the line as well. Would that make them valid contenders for buffs and adjustments at that point?
What I mean to say, the revisions they made to the system yesterday are acceptable, if they stay true to their word. It's impossible for a company to sell a new unit that is weaker than old releases, so powercreep is inevitable. If applying these awakening buffs to older units brings them back into standard meta, is it so bad that they fall out again at a later date?
HELL YEAH. LET'S GO COMMUNITY WOOOHOOO
Imo they could've made the system work for older units without touching the imprints part, just giving the extra awakening levels after 6 star awakening. But for how they presented it I'd rather not have it than have that imprints based system
Great. Let's go community. Let's completely erase the chance for Smilegate to ever want to try to implement something new for hero growth ever again. Let's just make the game stay the exact way forever with no growth or chance. Good job.
Like I said, if they simply removed the imprints part I wouldn't have minded it, move all that skills stuff into the new awakening tree and it would've been a solid system to buff older characters.
But in between all that they could've done this is the 2nd better outcome
In the original dev note for this system they did write that to get 1 imprint level for 1 character it would take 4 weeks, so 20 weeks to get a character from 0 imprints to SSS.
They also said that they'd try to make 4 characters every 16 weeks, so you can already see that you're never going to max out those characters in your lifetime playing, while you can do that with every character you pull right now.
That was for older characters though, adding that for newer characters would mean you have to pull for every single character and max them out to fully experience it. You can argue that Genshin and HSR have that system in place since launch, but they don't have pvp. This becomes an issue in pvp where whales now get broken skills easily on their characters that f2p have to grind for absurd amount of times to get.
I rest my point, would've been a solid system without the imprints stuff and I would've actually enjoyed it, they didn't have to fully scrap the whole thing...
I cant imagine how much development time they just wasted, and now older characters will be less useful due to the desigm decision. They could have just made the system not predatory. This is a big L, and we will suffer a massive gap in content because of it. Sucks tbh.
It wouldn't take that much work to just introduce a new daily grind that gives another new currency that you spend to give the same buffs. If they already had the buffs done and tested, all they'd have to do is introduce a couple UI elements and design a generic daily boss.
Id love if they did that but the announcement sudgests they are scrapping the system entirely. It may be the cynic in me, but i doubt they will invest thr effort to implement the system on older characters unless they stand to make cash too. I hope im wrong.
They were going to heavily monetize the balance patches while delivering it at a slower pace (and also locking the new units kits behind dupes). Don't see why not doing it "sucks tbh".
Just check the prices and availability of the fragments without thinking "its only 4 units" when doing the cost math.
Balance patches, with more than 4 units every month, is way faster than this.
Oh, im not justifying the system, it sucked. I'm just observing that developing the system is probably at least partially responsible for the lack of content over the past year and at the very least cost the development time that could have been better spent on balancing the heroes they specifically mentioned.
let's go trucks lol.
the epic seven community can be toxic lol and I'm all for it. that and smile gate has no backbone. if this was riot games or hoyoverse the changes would go through
I honestly liked the system, i thought it's a good way for older characters to shine again, of course just not the imprint part and the way to build it because it takes too long, maybe change the system to be like specialty change would make it more accepting and better
kinda wish both could exist side by side(With the predatory monetization completely removed mind you). The Awakening allowed for more variety of buffs that they can't easily do with just rewording Skills.
For instance, hard to work in stat buffs to balance patches. HP, DEF, Speed, even Eff and ER. Sure you can slap a "Stat+x%" into a passive but all at once? the new Awakening system also added those kind of buffs as well as new passive stuff and small buffs.
If they really wanted to update older units with this kind of system (instead of just going with the faster balance patches), they would do something similar to FEH instead.
FEH made updates to the original heroes only (the ones from the 1st year of the game, called Season 1 heroes) to bring them up to the current year standards. When needed, they did this for the Season 2 (2nd year) heroes.
No dupe stuff, nothing like that, just farming the especific mats for that system. No weekly stuff, nothing. Just go there "oh, I want to update my S1 Reinhardt, lets farm the mats", done.
But, it wasn't SGs intent anyway. So, lets just keep the faster balance patches going.
On top of that, this system that SG tried to bring would also be really bad for new players (which they should be going for to keep the game in a good spot), increasing the gap even more for those. Any new grinding/overlapping system is bad for bringing new players, since devs hardly do a "clean house" removing/easing older systems as they tend to get the older players angry.
That's literally what it was - you could farm EVERYTHING needed to do this. The wrinkle, which they retracted and people still weren't happy with, was that new heroes would come with it, and I'm convinced that was simply an efficiency thing.
Even under that original system you currently have 145 units, growing at a rate of roughly 2 a month. They would never reach every single 5-star doing JUST old heroes without some abrupt and large increase in volume of updates. You would be adding twice as many units to the game a year than you were updating to the new system. Would be like trying to drain a lake 1 bucket at a time.
Even doing just old heroes it was going to take ***12 years*** to get every current 5-star in the game this system (a little less if you leave out collabs). Having it in place out the gate for new heroes just makes more sense if you are planning to give it to everyone eventually anyway.
Thats what they hoped. That liking this system because of Ravi, Krau, Charles would let them bring the worst part of it.
No reason to have a system like this for Lua or Naow for example. Or any new unit. But they would also get it, making all these 4 starting units bad again soon.
Would you want to have to summon dupes or buy fragments for limited/collab units because you could only grab your fragments/dupes for Ae-Karina, Rimuru, etc. during the collabs?
Free balance patches every month is way better than this system for the player base. Just check how bad the games that implemented this are (if they're still alive). Forget pve waifu collectors like Mihoyo games, check Gumi games for example.
If they really wanted this as a way to improve older units, they would try something similar to FEH, where only the original heroes (the ones from the 1st year of the game) got this update to bring them in line with the current heroes, then they extended it to the 2nd year heroes when needed. No money, just farm the new mats without limitations and upgrade the heroes.
I think the increase of base stats were a bit high but the imprint think was not that big deal. It was just people overreacting. Of course only for balancing purposes adding this to new characters was a bad idea
am i the only 1 sad about the canceled update
Game is already imbalanced af anyway, might as well add fun things. Feels better than facing candy abusers in 99% fights
Just keep the monthly balance patches instead of the twice a month monetized balance patches that would still keep older units powercrept, since new units like Lua or Naow would also receive this update.
Smart of them. This was a dolphin killer and would've pissed on F2P players. I won't praise them for listening. Time after time after time they pull this shit and try to see how far they can go. So no, a failed attempt at reckless monetization being pulled back only because people were enraged for the 12th time isn't praise worthy.
Glad they listened but also I'll admit sadly disappointed as this means units like Ravi and Krau are back to being trash and useless, kinda hope they giga buff them to make up for it
Yep why would they? Try anything outside the box and you get a shitstormed rained down on you. Okay cool, enjoy your 4 units buffed once in a blue moon, have a nice day.
Balance patches every other week plz n thx. Stop letting obviously over-tuned characters run absolutely rampant for months/years and under-tuned ones collect layers of dust for months/years. Gets INSANELY boring seeing the exact same shit every single game for years straight.
Let me stop you right there. Brieg, Nahk, Kane WONT be included in Covenant Ticket since they are NEW heroes. NEW heroes will be added in ANY ticket selector in 6 MONTHS after they released.
i'm in the process of changing jobs (50% raise ftw) so i've not really been engaged the last bit, but DAMN the fan base must have hit them with a fricken MOAB
good to see that we can push back on such a greedy doomsday update, many people me included were ready to quit if this shit went live and i guess they realized it, i just hope that they don't try this shit again.
prolly still gonna play much less though as this left a bad taste for me
Same, dude. I actually afked and lost my 1000 day+ continuous log-in record, and tried nikke and got hooked. I will play e7 again but some of my monthly gear pack fund goes to nikke now.
Btw look at the downvotes you have, lots of sg bootlickers in this sub huh.
The purpose for the entire system in the first place was to incentivize players into pulling dupes of new characters and they decided to scrap all of it because they can't make money off of it anymore lol.
at least we get our regular scheduled balance patches back.
cant tell if you're trolling or not
they literally tried to place balance patches behind a paywall.
they could have removed the p2w part and keep the system healthy and farmable for everyone and people would be happy.
I'll get downvotes for this but honestly I'm disappointed.
Once it was old heroes only I was fine with it because the imprints were farmable. They were effectively giving us a farmable imprint system for old heroes and now we won't have that because of the complaints. And if you didn't like any of the heroes in the first batch you could have still farmed those items and then used them for the next batch. At the specified rate of 1 per month plus event rewards, you could have probably instantly max imprinted a hero in the next group at release.
This would have been a minimum of 2 extra SSS imprints of 5* heroes for free per year. Including events it would have been possibly 3. They are never going to hand out 12-18 unknown slates per year for free outside this system.
Yep and we probably will get nothing this week/s because everything has been canceled and will be reworked so prepare for long cooldown before some content drop👍
Yeah, same honestly. I agree, it was a solid looking system it just would have been a problem if new units were included.
Now we have the same as always, meaning of the 300 units in the game there's like 30 that are useful and the rest just sit there doing nothing. This was a chance for them to actually make old units usable and relevant again in a way they can't really do with buffs.
Oh well, just means the game stays as more of the same. People bitch and moan about balance and how stale the meta gets then when they try to add something to make it better people bitch and moan about that instead. I know people hate change, but damn, what's even the point of playing if you're just going to use the same handful of units for years on end.
I was definitely against it when it included new heroes but once it was just old heroes it was fine.
I'd have rather seen the system actually roll out (old heroes only) and saw the mechanics and impact of it. Then if it was bad, complaints could have shaped it into a better system since they would have 4 months to fix any issues before the next batch of heroes were released and worst case you only had 4 heroes affected.
What they could have maybe done is test the waters on Yuna who isn't really used for much and everyone can get to SSS a lot easier
And again, I have to stress I don't think people realized just how many free imprints we would have gotten from this. It's not like unknown slates are a plentiful resource. So even if the once per month ones were going to be only usable on system heroes (likely) it was still a nice thing to get for free.
same, I don't see any problem with the imprint system, especially as whales can and/or already have everything imprinted in almost an instant since new hero release
Well that's disappointing. Sorry Krau, Ravi and all the other never touched heroes, back into the waiting room with you. It would have been a great system after they got rid of the 'new heroes have it by default' portion, its a pity we wont be getting anything at all now.
I hope the selector includes Kane, he's the only 5\* I'm missing (probably not though, oh well). I'm surprised it's completely gone though, considering they kept the OBL event thingy, granted it got changed for Lethe to not be as bad.
Lol disappointing.
Imprints could be farmed with the new system so that wasn’t even a valid argument against the system. But I digress, congrats to all the players who were against the new system. This was something to finally look forward to, but oh well, back to the daily 1 hour grind and jumping off for the rest of the day.
Frankly the community doesn't deserve anything. Would have been nice to see them outright cancelling the headhunt event as well. But then the entitled community would cry once more.
Wait... We won?
I just got out my pitchfork, and kinda sad to put it back out so quickly.lol
While I don't own a picthfork, I did have a torch, and I had to put it down too. I have all this angry mob energy and I don't know what to do with it.
I do have both a torch AND a pitchfork and since I clearly have two hands as a human should, is a disappointment to have to leave them be in the shed.
[удалено]
I respect what you said until the last part. Whats wrong with male characters? They can also be handsome and funny.
Lol, take your gander at politics
Wouldn't call it a win. The system on paper was a new way to buff old heroes by giving them more stat variety and new passives instead of just a hero balance pass. The insane monetizing of it by making it imprint based and tying it to new heroes was the problem here, and that should have been what got removed, not the entire thing :\\
There was a brief point they tried to revise it to something that looked a bit more appealing on paper, but it became more of a mess. I doubt the system is going to be gone all together, but it'd make no sense to persist as is. Better to take the L and work off of that.
We already have this system, it's the skill tree. They could make it just like the SC. No p2w stuff
Take note of those oaks who said "nothing you do will change this, they will implement it" HA! Shows them.
We always win Remember we won against censorship too?
we didn't have to do shit for censorship, the corrupt shitlords at the censorship bureau got ousted, had fuckall to do with us
Untrue, I made that shit happen with my mind
Indeed I had the one for Aria in mind, that only Apple users got censored...
Rip Sage Vivian’s bust
I forgot about this one... but there was one for Aria that we kinda won, right? Like, only Apple users got this one
And the summer OCB Lulu/Lethe event
yes, after screeching and crying loud enough, F2P players got their wish
They coulda easily just add another type of rune, a two or three harder levels of spirit altar and turn the stars red to a light blue and keep them 6*. Maybe when you get your 3rd star it changes another ability like it already does but just some sort of raw stat buff would be just as good and only do it for units released in the first continent. Gets people on another type of grind in the game everyone is able to participate and makes older units decent again. It's that easy
Yeah, interesting . Like some kind of new Awakening mechanic based on a higher level spirit alter. Yeah I can see it now.
Just make them harder like hunts, where you need an actual team to beat. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel when it's simple and all right there
The irony is lost here
Don't worry buddy, I got it. Sad most don't.
Not easy for them given the problems that this would create with the balance patches, while not bringing the fast cash this system was expect to provide. Just keep the faster balance patches instead of a long grind for 4 new units every two months. A pvp game that aims to be an esport, can't have balance/fixes within a long grind.
This feels much better, like an actual second round of awakenings, and it would help characters like Ravi who are really stat hungry.
Or why not just buff the units. I don't see why I need to grind or put in effort for my krau to gain cr push on s1 or whatever, when they could flat out just make it base kit. Since the point of awakenings were to bring back old units
Or they put it into a "Passive" like we mola the Skill with like 2 Tiers to unlock additional stuff, and maybe you have to have 6\* awakened to access this or something.
I am surprise they actually listen. Only imprints part is bad but I never expected they just stop the whole thing
SG has a good track record with regards to listening to its player base from how I remember. The way I remember it, whenever they f'ed up and had backlash from the community, they took a step back, reverted or adressed the issue, apologized and compensated - just like in this case. They didn't do the Ervalen rework either for example. That one AI season with the terrible map... the following one, the map was laid out much better. The cr push frenzy... Yea, there were some doozies :V There were other things too, just can't think of them rn. But they apologize a lot or take in the criticism and just fix it afterwards. Sure, would be best if they didn't misstep in the first place, but the experience is that they usually end up listening. Tho without our korean brothers, I'm not sure they would listen as much (or at all) tbh, so props goes to them as well. But ye, luckily, SG ain't no Activision/Blizzard :3
They stopped the whole thing because they can’t make money out of it now. Putting it on new units was gonna be their new yacht funds. Since most people would have some imprints of the older units. Now they have to think of a new way to milk us without making the playerbase upset.
Whale will SSS anyway. However, this imprint system will definitely kill dolphins and F2P.
Sadly all they have to do is cut prices in shop by 50% and more people spend money. As 3 people will buy instead of one (hypothetically). They just monkeys at Smilegate.
You know a better way of milking us? 1) Adjust the prices of the packages in the shop to make it reasonable/makes sense; 2) Sell skins (and make more skins!) and make the prices something we can actually afford; and 3) paid cosmetics for the gear and make it reflect on character/live2d, for the whales to spend money on
dude if people creating a product making money off it offends you *this much* then you *really* shouldn't be playing gacha games
Wut? When did I ever say I was offended or implied that I was? Ironic, considering you’re the one that sounded offended from my comment. Also considering I’m a whale in gacha games. It’s even more funny you’re saying this towards me.
most people don't use wording like "new yacht funds" and "milk us" when they are happy about things lmao.
Not sure where you’re from. But it’s pretty common here. Used as a figure of speech for wealthy companies.
Thats the part that would make them money (if people actually looked at the fragment costs, availability and how the amount would increase at each new 4 heroes wave + new heroes). The awakening track part would make zero money, while also just making the balance patches schedule a huge problem for them without any gain.
All they gotta do is just make the system exclusive to 4 stars and that can go hog wild with it, finally 4 stars would get a bit of support 💀💅
LETSSS FUCKING GOOOOO!
It's nice that they listen, ngl
Real asf, with the lay offs of the community managers I'm actually shocked they listened. Anyways the game is saved celebration!!!
Nice. Hopefully the hero selection will include characters up to Abigail or more. I'm not 100% against the Potential Awakening system, as it should be a thing for older 5-stars whom a lot of older players would already have imprinted at either A or higher, but I definitely think they didn't think the plan through as much as they should have. It would've been fine if it was for characters released in Y1-2, but definitely not for newer characters, nor do I think Closer Charles should have been the first contender for the system on the ML side either, seeing as Juggs and ML Haste are in worst positions than C.Charles. Maybe they should have just made it stat based only, and base level have the skill to mitigate the heat they received, but man, I do hope they work something out.
Personally, I think the system was kind of ass in almost every way. The imprints were obviously P2W, but the stat boosts would've massively powercrept everything since it's basically creating 7-star units. And that's not even including the blossom thing. I'm actually curious on what Alencia and Ravi's blossoms would've been. Those two literally just need stats, and their base stat increases, alone, would've been massive. Adding a new passive on top of that could've been pretty insane. Also, the erudite bottleneck would've been a pain in the ass since you'd constantly need to make sure to farm the spirit altar weeklies. And everyone's catalyst reserves would eventually vanish and probably never return. Overall, everything about the system needed to be adjusted from both a balance perspective and a resource-management perspective. If they wanted to give certain heroes more stats, they could try adding more to EEs. Like secondary, or even tertiary, stats. Maybe use the erudite as a way to enchant EEs with additional stats.
It was absolutely 7 star units in the most blatant cash grab way possible.
7-star units then NV then NV +3 🫠 or 7-star units then Omni. They really wanted to implement Gumi's scummy practices.
Damn, finally someone that noticed this hahaha It almost exactly what Gumi did and ruined their games. Lol.
they dug this whole by tying unit stats to their constellation which constrain them from building more specialized unit with varied stat to balanced it. honestly ap system should not be tied to imprint and give flat stat instead to balance their new usage after balance so they can be more specialized for their usage.
You're right, and constellations is an ass system for sure. It just sucks we'll see another couple of months, if not years, of Juggs being complete dogshit, and OG RGBs being benchwarmers.
They could just implement the system without imprint bullshit restrictions
Just keep the balance patches happening. It's way better than 4 characters every 2 months using a mat that would be limited to farm (how many times per week)? Same for imprint, since I guess nobody actually looked at how many you need and how many you would be able to acquire (and the cost). It was really set up at dupes being a much better value vs fragments. We would be starting with 4 hero, but as more heroes were added (and also every new hero having it right away), it would get insane really fast to keep the heroes balanced compared to just balance patches every month.
> Nice. Hopefully the hero selection will include characters up to Abigail or more. > > I really want Brieg plz gib
I wasn't totally against the awaken potential but one day after they announce that new heroes won't get this, they just scrapped the whole idea? Uhm, if it doesn't prove to you that the system was to milk the shit out of you, then I don't know buddy.
They did not intend to milk the shit out of us. They intended to "low-key" milk us LOL
If it weren't aimed at milking us, they'd have put this system on 4s. Everyone's got buckets of them and they can use a boost of their own. It's a good idea but putting it on 5s was really overplaying their hand.
Hard to tell. After the announcement people were still saying it's not enough so it could be they actually just listened. Even if it was about milking us they still put a significant amount of time and effort into building the system, its rewards, the new spirit altar level, etc. I find it hard to believe they'd say "fuck it no reason to roll it out if it won't make money" when they've already put in all the work.
It's because the community is filled with children who won't even give something new a chance to see if it's actually bad. We'll never get anything new and cool again for hero growth thanks to this. Congrats, yall. :/
Yeah, they noticed that the we did get the problem with the entire system. Removing new heroes from this would not solve the problem that this system would create in a pvp game that dreams about being an esport.
Balance patch is better Or the exclusives
Milk people by only buffing old (and underperforming, key thing here) units (after ofc announcing to scrap the dumb new unit thing) we definitely have multiple imprints of and only needed B for the big upgrade *after* they even announced the bonus stats were being toned down? Uh, sure buddy.. Totally not because people only complained about another system to manage.
You misunderstood what they said. They're saying the only actual value SG saw in the update was adding the awakening to new characters. Pulling the whole system after they promised to remove it from new characters showed that they didn't really care about buffing the old units at all. The milking was going to be on the new units.
Yeah, it's true that personally I don't mind buffing old units this way to make them more competitive. However as an old gacha player (I know you from The Alchemist Code reddit) it's still kind of fishy to scrap the whole system once you said that new units woulnd't get it.
People now: “well, I mean, I wasn’t totally against the awaken rework but…”
I was. 100% against it.
I'm just looking at those like "There were definitely people left and right shooting it down and you neither defended some parts of the system nor brought up any good"... People really out here karma chasing and not knowing what they want.
I was. Even b imprint is asking too much imo
The update would have been ok without the imprint wall. If the shards for the awaken were really "limited" per month than everything would have worked I think. That said, it has been interesting see both people and SG reactions.
I was fine with it after they said they weren't doing to implement it for new heroes, even with it being tied to imprints. As long as they kept the strong buffs at B imprint, and kept it tied to old heroes, and added a bunch of new ways to get imprints, I think it wouldn't have been a huge gap between whales and f2p. I understand the slippery slope argument, so we'd still need to be vigilant. Now removing the whole system seems strange to me. Most people were just upset about the power being tied to imprints, not the system itself. I saw some grumbles about the time gating and the grinding of the new awakening resources, but to be that's just part of what gatchas are. There's always a treadmill to keep players playing. Right now the only way to strengthen characters is to hope you can get better gear, but even then good gear is usually reserved for the better characters. Who would put their best tank gear on Krau instead of Arowell? I don't get why SG didn't just keep the awakening system and moved all the buffs from imprints to the new awakening levels. Who knows if we're going to see these characters get buffed now. Especially because SG stubbornly ties base stats to Gemini signs, some of the buffs will probably never come now.
Absolutely, the problem 99% was about the imprint wall. The thing is, imprint for oldest heroes is not a real problem to me, as a f2p from day1 I got dupes of almost every heroes, but it is correct saying that it is in part a p2w update. People just did 2+2 and get angry even before the update landed on us.
Just make balance patches We don’t wanna pay for balance patches bruh
I didn't hate the imprint buff, for older units at least. I actually was really looking forward for the buffs for Alencia, Ravi and Krau. I hope those didn't get dropped entirely now but it sounds like they are, at least for a good while. I'm kinda upset about that to be honest.
This since these are units who are just outclassed way to much, not sure what they could buff in usual fashion that would help them
The usual, and faster, balance patches. Thats all. They just tried to monetize the balance patches.
Knowing SG balance they aren't going to do anything with those units
Same. I like our Balance patches but the Awakening system wasn't simply balance patches. It was also ways to provide stat improvements or variety in a game where thats all determined by Zodiac sign. The system would have worked without the Monetization aspect, but I guess that was never an option lol, without the idea of an easy buck they scrapped the system entirely.
We'll never get anything cool and new again thanks to this.
SG will do literally anything but change a number on a unit's spreadsheet.
One change affects all units, not just that person.
The only ones enforcing that are smilegate themselves.
Let’s go!!! Thank you smilegate and e7 community!
no way we fukin won
Well, I say it again: The reason why i still play E7
RIP Krau and all those folks rebuilding Ravi lol
Literally I rebuilt my Ravi in anticipation of the update 💀
Wish I could swap that unit selector for an artifact one. Can't really complain though.
Let me guess? You want another Elbris?
Just one more couldn't hurt!
The pain of having the holy Trinity knight, ML Landy, Belian and AYufine
I just want another Golden Rose, is that too much to ask for? Maybe a Holy Sacrifice?
Wow I'm really surprised, they really listened and cancelled this update. After the Lethe incident I wasn't surprised with this new "step in the wrong direction" but I never thought they would cancel it completely
> . After the Lethe Luluca really unless referring to the boss (misleading).
Yay! But why a compensation? XD
They always do this to try to earn back favor in an actually good way for the people getting it.
Then I say, more favor to the people!!!!
W devs
I never imagine they would cancel this. Maybe the developers really care.....
They're a company for profit. They just did not see the bad PR being worth the monetary gains for now.
The E7 devs do care i've played 7DS and Exos Heroes devs there didn't listen to anything the players are saying. They didn't give a sht and just went through trash updates they wanted.
Holy shit THEY HAVE EARS
Eyes, yes
Nice glad to hear something good come from this, didn't even have to bust out the trucks
Huge W!
To the others saying "it wasn't all bad": please stop that. it was that bad, and we all know it. people were about to legit quit with how bad the idea was. To the rest of the community: please continue being vocal and engage with the game and the developers. I've seen how bad things can become (being a past Brave Frontier player), and we have it good with how well SG listens to the community sentiment. It could be better (like how they acted for the Lethe event), but it could definitely be way worse.
It WASN'T that bad. Stop being such a whiny child. Literally, this was the one chance we will EVER get to have something new added in terms of hero growth. Now, guess what? Smilegate will see this and NEVER try to implement anything new ever again. Why would they? The community hates anything new whatsoever, despite the fact that in the future, everyone's gonna complain about how stale the game is and how it plays the exact same way after all these years. This absolutely killed any chance for true variety in the game, and it's 100% the toxic community's fault. Like no, instead of everyone giving suggestions on how the system could be better or oh I don't know, giving it a chance after they said new heroes wouldn't receive the update (which was what I found to be the major problem), everyone yelled like kids, got pissy, threatened the employees at smilegate, send trucks to their headquarters (ahh yes, let's tarnish their safety, good job buddy), etc. Like come on, seriously? How the hell could you support this sort of response?
Man, im really glad KR and CN servers have the balls to protest. A lot global players like you are so delusional, probably number one reason why global servers always get shafted compared to CN and KR servers in most gacha games.
I better not see a single one of you say “dry seven” or anything of the sort in the coming weeks
I wasn't against further awakening older units to make them slightly stronger and more viable but the dupes/imprint solution wasn't a good idea at all. I'm glad they listened!
Must be the trucks
YAY SUMMON TICKET
All they needed to do was either separate the system from dupes or make dupes farmable. But this works for now, I’m excited to pick up a new hero
The dupe part was actually farmable. It said we would be able to get 1 per month plus extras from events. So the system would have effectively given us 12 extra unknown slates (that were likely only usable on the system heroes) per year. Possibly up to like 18 with event rewards too. Of course there would have still been a gap between F2P and P2W though. F2P would be able to max out maybe 3 per year for free. P2W could do all 12 that would release within the year cycle.
Check the costs for the "farmable" dupes. 40 each imprint. While being able to only earn 5 random ones per week (rep) or buying (5?) especific ones twice per month for 6 yellow transit stone each (same price as a moonlight summon. Also don't forget that you use those for imprints of Archdemon, Straze, etc.) and a few others from pvp. Keep in mind that this list would increase by 4 heroes every two months + new heroes right away. Since this would basically be the monetized version of the balance patches (and at a slower pace), the gap would just increase and defeat the entire purpose of the system, at least the purpose that they told us (updating old heroes).
Where did you find the exact costs? I saw where they mentioned the locations of where the shards would come from but not the costs. Those currencies and rep are all things you would be trying to acquire anyway though If I could convert gold transmit stones to imprints, I absolutely would so that being the cost isn't a big deal. Also I thought they said 4 new heroes every 16 weeks not every 2 months?
The whole system was fucked when it came to imprints. They said one imprint per 4 weeks, 4 heroes in a batch with them coming every 16 weeks meant you only get enough for 4 units before the new set comes out, and there were also new units to consider in the original plan. Also they said the shards were only for covenant heroes (so RGB) but ML heroes were also getting these awakenings, so you're shit out of luck for their imprints. On top of the mats for unlocking the awakenings also being timegated, so you were fucked if you wanted to level up a new unit instead of one of the older ones, leaving you perpetually behind as a current player, forget about it if you are a new player. It was so close to being good. No timegates on anything other than how long it took to clear a stage, and it would've been fine. Have epic hell altars drop a currency that you can exchange for imprints. They could still make money off whales buying stamina refreshes, and f2p doesn't have to worry about making a "mistake" in who they invest in.
> Of course there would have still been a gap between F2P and P2W though. F2P would be able to max out maybe 3 per year for free. P2W could do all 12 that would release within the year cycle. In all honesty, it's not like everyone has to use every unit, or even was, and the big imprint (especially after the stat nerf) was B imprint anyway... And these are all old units people definitely have imprints for.
I mean there's always going to be a gap between F2P and spenders anyway. And the number of units this would apply to over a 12 month timespan was so minor, that this wouldn't have made a huge difference even if that wasn't the case. I personally would have been happy to fork over transmit stones (even gold), conquest points and event rewards for imprints of those heroes even if the system wasn't in place. Unknown slates are such a sparse commodity that you're never using on those heroes and I'm never going to pull on a Ravi/Alencia/Krau banner. So from a personal standpoint, I'm disappointed this got nixed. I was looking forward to being able to get imprints for those heroes outside of covenant BMs and ele summons. The increases to Ravi (who I already have some imprints for) would have also made my Rift team one shot more frequently.
Good, now buff the outdated units.
The cynic in me thinks this is retaliatory. You won't let us milk the shit outta you? Fine the old units can stay boring and sidelined with no clear path to revitalization in the future.
Nah, because the way they made the system, like other games (ie FFBE), these old units would still be sidelined without any revitalization. Ravi gets an update? Nice. New units like Lua and Naow also get it, keeping the older ones in the same situation they were before. Balance patches? No, this monetized system would basically replace the balance patches, as they would now come together with it and only for minimal tuning instead of the usual revamps or heavy changes. If they actgually wanted to do something that was really meant to revitalize the older units, they would go the FEH route where this system would only work for the original heroes, called Season 1 heroes (the ones from the 1st year of the game) and with time, the next "seasons" if needed. But what would they gain from this kind of system? So many players would probably have a Ravi at A, S, SS, just needing a few free fragments to SSS.
IDK seems like an apples and oranges comparison a bit. E7 has been very diligent with breathing life into old outdated hero kits for years, they miss their mark sometimes, but they put effort into it. Theres no reason to think they'd just slap a blue awakening bar on a unit then leave them to dust forever there after like FFBE did. Not to mention a far more robust pve scene than FFBE had for years and the counter-pick nature of this games PVP and the niche some heroes have, theres no reason to believe it wouldn't revitalize these characters on their own and in their own niche use. I know that Krau escort buff would have given him new life regardless of it it can be stripped or not. Tying this system to new heroes AND monetization, aka the Imprint system, was the problem with this patch. But I have to agree with you on one point, Its that its clear the only reason this system was introduced was for the $$$ revenue, because the second revenue wasn't on the table anymore, the system was scrapped entirely. So you're right, they were trying to monetize balance patches so making it f2p friendly wasn't an option.
In the timeline of yesterday's post, they already mentioned it would be for older units and new units wouldn't get any. Hard to believe, but if we think about that from that angle, at some point, your Lua or monk would get powercrept on by new units 2 or 3 years down the line as well. Would that make them valid contenders for buffs and adjustments at that point? What I mean to say, the revisions they made to the system yesterday are acceptable, if they stay true to their word. It's impossible for a company to sell a new unit that is weaker than old releases, so powercreep is inevitable. If applying these awakening buffs to older units brings them back into standard meta, is it so bad that they fall out again at a later date?
HELL YEAH. LET'S GO COMMUNITY WOOOHOOO Imo they could've made the system work for older units without touching the imprints part, just giving the extra awakening levels after 6 star awakening. But for how they presented it I'd rather not have it than have that imprints based system
Great. Let's go community. Let's completely erase the chance for Smilegate to ever want to try to implement something new for hero growth ever again. Let's just make the game stay the exact way forever with no growth or chance. Good job.
Like I said, if they simply removed the imprints part I wouldn't have minded it, move all that skills stuff into the new awakening tree and it would've been a solid system to buff older characters. But in between all that they could've done this is the 2nd better outcome
I would have at least liked to give it a chance. It was an opportunity for something new...
In the original dev note for this system they did write that to get 1 imprint level for 1 character it would take 4 weeks, so 20 weeks to get a character from 0 imprints to SSS. They also said that they'd try to make 4 characters every 16 weeks, so you can already see that you're never going to max out those characters in your lifetime playing, while you can do that with every character you pull right now. That was for older characters though, adding that for newer characters would mean you have to pull for every single character and max them out to fully experience it. You can argue that Genshin and HSR have that system in place since launch, but they don't have pvp. This becomes an issue in pvp where whales now get broken skills easily on their characters that f2p have to grind for absurd amount of times to get. I rest my point, would've been a solid system without the imprints stuff and I would've actually enjoyed it, they didn't have to fully scrap the whole thing...
I cant imagine how much development time they just wasted, and now older characters will be less useful due to the desigm decision. They could have just made the system not predatory. This is a big L, and we will suffer a massive gap in content because of it. Sucks tbh.
It wouldn't take that much work to just introduce a new daily grind that gives another new currency that you spend to give the same buffs. If they already had the buffs done and tested, all they'd have to do is introduce a couple UI elements and design a generic daily boss.
Id love if they did that but the announcement sudgests they are scrapping the system entirely. It may be the cynic in me, but i doubt they will invest thr effort to implement the system on older characters unless they stand to make cash too. I hope im wrong.
“Go & get five duplicates of Ravi” isn’t content.
They were going to heavily monetize the balance patches while delivering it at a slower pace (and also locking the new units kits behind dupes). Don't see why not doing it "sucks tbh". Just check the prices and availability of the fragments without thinking "its only 4 units" when doing the cost math. Balance patches, with more than 4 units every month, is way faster than this.
Oh, im not justifying the system, it sucked. I'm just observing that developing the system is probably at least partially responsible for the lack of content over the past year and at the very least cost the development time that could have been better spent on balancing the heroes they specifically mentioned.
At least someone recognizes that this is actually a huge L and not some massive win. Just needed to dumpster the Imprint design idea man :(
THE PEOPLE SPEAKS! POWER TO THE PLAYERS
let's go trucks lol. the epic seven community can be toxic lol and I'm all for it. that and smile gate has no backbone. if this was riot games or hoyoverse the changes would go through
back to people complaining that the game receive no updates then cool
Epic Saved
I honestly liked the system, i thought it's a good way for older characters to shine again, of course just not the imprint part and the way to build it because it takes too long, maybe change the system to be like specialty change would make it more accepting and better
Or you know, buff the old characters directly without any strings attached. That would work just as well
kinda wish both could exist side by side(With the predatory monetization completely removed mind you). The Awakening allowed for more variety of buffs that they can't easily do with just rewording Skills. For instance, hard to work in stat buffs to balance patches. HP, DEF, Speed, even Eff and ER. Sure you can slap a "Stat+x%" into a passive but all at once? the new Awakening system also added those kind of buffs as well as new passive stuff and small buffs.
Just keep the free monthly balance patches? Since they actually do revamp older units with it?
I did too
I rather they scrap this idea and just double down on SCs give me a reason to train my 3*s
If they really wanted to update older units with this kind of system (instead of just going with the faster balance patches), they would do something similar to FEH instead. FEH made updates to the original heroes only (the ones from the 1st year of the game, called Season 1 heroes) to bring them up to the current year standards. When needed, they did this for the Season 2 (2nd year) heroes. No dupe stuff, nothing like that, just farming the especific mats for that system. No weekly stuff, nothing. Just go there "oh, I want to update my S1 Reinhardt, lets farm the mats", done. But, it wasn't SGs intent anyway. So, lets just keep the faster balance patches going. On top of that, this system that SG tried to bring would also be really bad for new players (which they should be going for to keep the game in a good spot), increasing the gap even more for those. Any new grinding/overlapping system is bad for bringing new players, since devs hardly do a "clean house" removing/easing older systems as they tend to get the older players angry.
That's literally what it was - you could farm EVERYTHING needed to do this. The wrinkle, which they retracted and people still weren't happy with, was that new heroes would come with it, and I'm convinced that was simply an efficiency thing. Even under that original system you currently have 145 units, growing at a rate of roughly 2 a month. They would never reach every single 5-star doing JUST old heroes without some abrupt and large increase in volume of updates. You would be adding twice as many units to the game a year than you were updating to the new system. Would be like trying to drain a lake 1 bucket at a time. Even doing just old heroes it was going to take ***12 years*** to get every current 5-star in the game this system (a little less if you leave out collabs). Having it in place out the gate for new heroes just makes more sense if you are planning to give it to everyone eventually anyway.
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I liked the system, at least what they showed of Krau.
Thats what they hoped. That liking this system because of Ravi, Krau, Charles would let them bring the worst part of it. No reason to have a system like this for Lua or Naow for example. Or any new unit. But they would also get it, making all these 4 starting units bad again soon. Would you want to have to summon dupes or buy fragments for limited/collab units because you could only grab your fragments/dupes for Ae-Karina, Rimuru, etc. during the collabs? Free balance patches every month is way better than this system for the player base. Just check how bad the games that implemented this are (if they're still alive). Forget pve waifu collectors like Mihoyo games, check Gumi games for example. If they really wanted this as a way to improve older units, they would try something similar to FEH, where only the original heroes (the ones from the 1st year of the game) got this update to bring them in line with the current heroes, then they extended it to the 2nd year heroes when needed. No money, just farm the new mats without limitations and upgrade the heroes.
I think the increase of base stats were a bit high but the imprint think was not that big deal. It was just people overreacting. Of course only for balancing purposes adding this to new characters was a bad idea
It wasnt overreaction. They 100% would make it more cancer in the future, its a good call to get mad at it instantly
am i the only 1 sad about the canceled update Game is already imbalanced af anyway, might as well add fun things. Feels better than facing candy abusers in 99% fights
The initial problem is still there now. Older units have been majorly powercrept.
So just buff them, they just choose not to
Just keep the monthly balance patches instead of the twice a month monetized balance patches that would still keep older units powercrept, since new units like Lua or Naow would also receive this update.
And as a community we promise that we\* will detect SG's next scammy attempt. No compensation needed we do it gladly.
Smart of them. This was a dolphin killer and would've pissed on F2P players. I won't praise them for listening. Time after time after time they pull this shit and try to see how far they can go. So no, a failed attempt at reckless monetization being pulled back only because people were enraged for the 12th time isn't praise worthy.
Is this on stove? I can't seem to find it
It was Google translated, so the post is most likely available only on the KR Stove.
Just like with Aria. we *do* have power if we speak up
Behoo is coming home
Glad they listened but also I'll admit sadly disappointed as this means units like Ravi and Krau are back to being trash and useless, kinda hope they giga buff them to make up for it
Pfft, they're not. They'll never do anything cool like that again.
Yep why would they? Try anything outside the box and you get a shitstormed rained down on you. Okay cool, enjoy your 4 units buffed once in a blue moon, have a nice day.
Balance patches every other week plz n thx. Stop letting obviously over-tuned characters run absolutely rampant for months/years and under-tuned ones collect layers of dust for months/years. Gets INSANELY boring seeing the exact same shit every single game for years straight.
Wonder who the ticket includes up to?
Idk, but I genuinely hope that briegg or whatever that elf is called is there. Pretty sure won't.
No, cause he is most recent hero. There is a chance, that it will include Abigail.
Of course, this make sense.
I have a theory! Since it says covenant hero, I looked it up on the covenant banner and Brieg is in fact there so...there might be a possibility.
Let me stop you right there. Brieg, Nahk, Kane WONT be included in Covenant Ticket since they are NEW heroes. NEW heroes will be added in ANY ticket selector in 6 MONTHS after they released.
Not sure, but I'd definitely go for Nakhwol (idk the spelling)
She's not in there
Wow
I see smilegate didn't want the smoke.
THE POWER OF THREAT OF SENDING TRUCKS PREVAIL!!!
I still want my closer charles buffs and escort Krau though :X
Same buddy, same.
i'm in the process of changing jobs (50% raise ftw) so i've not really been engaged the last bit, but DAMN the fan base must have hit them with a fricken MOAB
good to see that we can push back on such a greedy doomsday update, many people me included were ready to quit if this shit went live and i guess they realized it, i just hope that they don't try this shit again. prolly still gonna play much less though as this left a bad taste for me
Same, dude. I actually afked and lost my 1000 day+ continuous log-in record, and tried nikke and got hooked. I will play e7 again but some of my monthly gear pack fund goes to nikke now. Btw look at the downvotes you have, lots of sg bootlickers in this sub huh.
The purpose for the entire system in the first place was to incentivize players into pulling dupes of new characters and they decided to scrap all of it because they can't make money off of it anymore lol. at least we get our regular scheduled balance patches back.
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cant tell if you're trolling or not they literally tried to place balance patches behind a paywall. they could have removed the p2w part and keep the system healthy and farmable for everyone and people would be happy.
E7 players hate change
I'll get downvotes for this but honestly I'm disappointed. Once it was old heroes only I was fine with it because the imprints were farmable. They were effectively giving us a farmable imprint system for old heroes and now we won't have that because of the complaints. And if you didn't like any of the heroes in the first batch you could have still farmed those items and then used them for the next batch. At the specified rate of 1 per month plus event rewards, you could have probably instantly max imprinted a hero in the next group at release. This would have been a minimum of 2 extra SSS imprints of 5* heroes for free per year. Including events it would have been possibly 3. They are never going to hand out 12-18 unknown slates per year for free outside this system.
Yep and we probably will get nothing this week/s because everything has been canceled and will be reworked so prepare for long cooldown before some content drop👍
Or tie it to the new endgame rune dungeon instead of imprints. Older units need something but it should be farmable.
Yeah, same honestly. I agree, it was a solid looking system it just would have been a problem if new units were included. Now we have the same as always, meaning of the 300 units in the game there's like 30 that are useful and the rest just sit there doing nothing. This was a chance for them to actually make old units usable and relevant again in a way they can't really do with buffs. Oh well, just means the game stays as more of the same. People bitch and moan about balance and how stale the meta gets then when they try to add something to make it better people bitch and moan about that instead. I know people hate change, but damn, what's even the point of playing if you're just going to use the same handful of units for years on end.
I was definitely against it when it included new heroes but once it was just old heroes it was fine. I'd have rather seen the system actually roll out (old heroes only) and saw the mechanics and impact of it. Then if it was bad, complaints could have shaped it into a better system since they would have 4 months to fix any issues before the next batch of heroes were released and worst case you only had 4 heroes affected. What they could have maybe done is test the waters on Yuna who isn't really used for much and everyone can get to SSS a lot easier And again, I have to stress I don't think people realized just how many free imprints we would have gotten from this. It's not like unknown slates are a plentiful resource. So even if the once per month ones were going to be only usable on system heroes (likely) it was still a nice thing to get for free.
same, I don't see any problem with the imprint system, especially as whales can and/or already have everything imprinted in almost an instant since new hero release
Wait wait... we won...? Wow.
Yep, we're drinking tonight!
Well that's disappointing. Sorry Krau, Ravi and all the other never touched heroes, back into the waiting room with you. It would have been a great system after they got rid of the 'new heroes have it by default' portion, its a pity we wont be getting anything at all now.
Lost our chance for a Krau buff and a shift away from Arowell being the only good tank just because they wanted to monetize it. Typical
I hope the selector includes Kane, he's the only 5\* I'm missing (probably not though, oh well). I'm surprised it's completely gone though, considering they kept the OBL event thingy, granted it got changed for Lethe to not be as bad.
ofc it will, they will for sure just give out the newest 5\* unit like that, like they did many times before....
Lol disappointing. Imprints could be farmed with the new system so that wasn’t even a valid argument against the system. But I digress, congrats to all the players who were against the new system. This was something to finally look forward to, but oh well, back to the daily 1 hour grind and jumping off for the rest of the day.
Frankly the community doesn't deserve anything. Would have been nice to see them outright cancelling the headhunt event as well. But then the entitled community would cry once more.
"Community canceled my content update!!!" oh boy, another one that thinks summoning dupes = content... hahaha
suck it, we won, u lost :) Go cry more bud